Jake Asmon (2:13)

He tried to not only be at the game, reportedly he wanted to be on the ESPN broadcast. Like he reached out to ESPN about sitting in the booth for a quarter or a couple drives, which is asinine. Again you left. Don't make it about you. But that's the problem. Lane Kiffin always tries to make it about himself. Look, just look how long the entire process of him eventually going to LSU dragged out. So I'm glad he wasn't there and I'm thrilled that Ole Miss won because that's one of the more fun stories you could argue going on, going on in all sports right now and what.

Ty Butler (2:45)

They'Re doing despite losing coaches, like all these assistant coaches, I'm starting to root for them now. Part of me, because, you know, we're both Jet fans and love to see Indiana go on a run, Fernando Mendoza continue to do his thing. But that would just be an incredible, incredible sequence. Lane Kiffin decides, you know, we're headed for greener pastures. And here's, here's my question to you. And we'll get to the jets and Giants in a moment. What's he rooting for? Because he's on Twitter yesterday putting the flag and he wanted to be at the game on the broadcast. What do you think he's actually rooting for?

Jake Asmon (3:20)

There's no way he could be rooting for them to win the whole thing.

Ty Butler (3:22)

Without him because that's what he'll say he's rooting for because he loves the program, cares about the players, all that BS out of here.

Jake Asmon (3:30)

I don't buy it for a second. You know, Michael K always talks about how he's very vindictive. He's very petty. You know, he. If he got fired from the old K show, he wouldn't root for Don and Peter's success without him. That's Lane Kiffin. The difference is Kay's honest about it. Lane Kiffin is not. Again, when someone shows you who they are, believe them. That's been Lane Kiffin every step of the way. No one can deny he's a really good football coach, but the fact that he even thought it was appropriate to ask to be on during the broadcast as, like a guest. Yeah, that tells you all you need to know.

Ty Butler (3:59)

Hit us up in the YouTube comments. We are live on YouTube streaming on the ESPN New York page. Jake Asmon, Ty Butler going for the next four hours. You think got four hours in you?

Jake Asmon (4:09)

Let's do it. Let's let it rip. I did four hours with Mr. Ronan throughout the week. This, by the way, will wrap up successfully doing a show in every time slot on this station in the day park. You're versatile, so this is what it's all about.

Ty Butler (4:22)

So you're not just an ass man Your boobs got. You're everything.

Jake Asmon (4:25)

We don't discriminate. Ty.

Ty Butler (4:26)

Come on. You do it.

Jake Asmon (4:28)

20, 26.

Ty Butler (4:29)

Now, I'm sorry to do this to you because you got a smile on your face. You're my dude. I want to see you happy. But it's time to talk about the New York jets, who I'm rooting for to go an entire season without an interception.

Jake Asmon (4:41)

I'm rooting for them to not have a field goal kick blocked on Sunday so we could buy the shirts, hang the banner, 2025 field goal protection Champions, the New York Jets.

Ty Butler (4:52)

Of these stats, most damning on the season, what would you say is most impressive? The fact that they're about to go an entire season. We'll see what happens with Mitch Trubisky, but let's just say they go an entire season without an interception. You've got Garrett Wilson still their leading receiver. I think that's pretty cool.

Jake Asmon (5:11)

390 yards leads the team.

Ty Butler (5:13)

I think that's awesome. That's incredible. So which of those two would you say is the most, quote unquote, impressive?

Jake Asmon (5:19)

I think the interception stat is something we'll never see for the rest of our lives again. By accident, every team could get a pick. I think the teams that are in front of the jets all have at least seven interceptions on the year. The fact that a team with a defensive coach who was a Pro bowl cornerback in his heyday, he's fourth all time in Jet history, and interceptions could go 16 games and in all likelihood, 17 games without a pick, it's mind boggling. It just. It's inexplicable. I don't know how anyone could explain that one stat.

Ty Butler (5:50)

So let's stay here for a moment just because we like to, you know, bask in our own misery, if you will. Worst December point differentials in NFL history. Atop the list, the 2025 New York Jets. Minus 107. It's pretty good history because Aaron Glenn this week said the jets, the players have bought into the foundation. So, I mean, don't let the numbers get in the way of what the players are buying into. Minus 107 in the month of December. That's not great. They're 0 and 5 in games against divisional opponents. Their point differential in Those division games, minus 95. It's just amazing. And I listened to Rich Samini on DP H on Rothenberg this morning, and we know he's covered the jets for quite some time. He says this is up there as one of the worst seasons that he's ever seen.

Jake Asmon (6:41)

By every metric it is. And Rich, I heard the interview this morning with the guys, said it's the third worst jets team he's ever covered. Again, I think as Jet fans, many of us are very desensitized to just how bad it is. So we just accept, ah, it's just all bad. This is actually a historic level of ineptitude that we're watching. They started 0 and 7. No Jet coach in their first year has ever gotten off to worse than an 0 and 4 start. Glenn started 0 and 7. Then when they won a couple games after the trades it was ah, they're still playing hard for him. Then they came out against the Miami Dolphins after winning three of five with some luck. Certainly involved in some unbelievable special teams. Things that don't happen like two returns touchdowns at a game to beat Cleveland, right? They show up against the Dolphins, they're down 21 nothing in the first quarter. And from that point on, when you look at what's happened, there is nothing you could point to that tells you this coach, these players have any idea where the direction needs to be for the franchise. So in a year that seemingly only has gotten worse, why wouldn't I expect based on what we just saw against the Patriots for the jets to absolutely lay down on Sunday, get blown out again. I don't care if it's trubisky for the entire game. It doesn't matter Right now when Aaron Glenn's questioning the effort, which is saying that his players quit, then walking it back a day later, Jermaine Johnson scoffing at questions about that. I think he's lost the team tie. And I think Sunday is going to be really interesting because while the game means nothing if they quit, if they get embarrassed again, I wonder if internally Woody Johnson wakes up and realizes we're never winning a damn thing with this coach.

Ty Butler (8:09)

So you bring up Aaron Glenn and what he said to the media. So he was asked to reflect on what has been a miserable season. Here's Aaron Glenn.

Aaron Glenn (8:18)

So I really go back and start to really look at this whole season now don't not doing a deep dive into self reflection just yet, but just start to look at myself, this team, you know, why am I here and the expectations that we all had before and I'm excited about what I go for. This has not been the season that we all wanted. I understand that. But I tell you that there's some things that I really like about what we've did. There's some things that we know we have to fix. But I'm excited about going into this game, all right? Starting this game and then moving on from this game. Going through the off season of, I don't want to say rebuilding, but looking at this team and how we're going to get this team in a place to where, again, the fans are proud of. We're all proud of men moving forward. So I'm looking forward to that.

Ty Butler (8:58)

There's nothing to be proud of. At no point this season did I watch the jets, who do have three wins against backup quarterbacks, and thought to myself, I'm proud of the product. I'm proud of where it's trending. And I always hated this parallel to the Detroit Lions, which felt lazy to me because it was. Well, Aaron Glenn was part of the culture building there. Maybe it translates because you know, what helped turn it around in Detroit? They had an excellent head coach. Now, people might have soured on him because of, you know, they're missing the playoffs and how he blew the NFC Championship game, but he's a really good damn head coach. You know what didn't happen for Detroit in year one of this turnaround? They didn't fire their defensive coordinator. They didn't have their starting quarterback get benched. There wasn't this much chaos. So this idea that we can look to the Lions as far as, like, the perfect parallel as to why Jet fans can be encouraged going forward just never made sense to me. Especially when, not to mention, they had their quarterback, a former number one overall pick who did play in a Super Bowl.

Jake Asmon (10:07)

The Detroit Lions have nothing to do with the New York Jets. The 21 Lions vs. The 2025 New York jets aren't similar at all. But let's play along, because, you know, Glenn, I'm sure we'll reference that as a way to try and say, well, look what happened with them, the lions, in that second year, they finished 9 and 8. Do the jets have any chance of having a winning season next year, even going 8, 9? Does anyone actually see that happening based on what you have seen this year? By the way, that Lions team in 2021, after their bye week, they finished the year 3, 4 and 1. The jets have done the total opposite. They have been outscored in the month of December worse than any team in league history, 153 to 46 over the last four games alone. Like, we don't need to pretend what we're watching here, Jet fans, is normal. I was in Houston doing afternoon radio on the ESPN station there when David Culley was the Texans head coach. I know what a one and done coach looks like. And Cully actually won four games compared to Glenn, who's going to likely finish with three. I saw what that looked like. I saw the expressions and the different catchphrases at the press conference. I saw him lose the team. And that team had Davis Mills as its quarterback. And we all saw it. Glenn picked Justin fields, gave him 30 million guaranteed. Said we signed him because he was tough. The game plan against. He picked Steve Wilkes. He went out there and said, we're running the Wilk system. You're the head coach. You're supposed to oversee all of this. You're supposed to make improvements. The only thing he could point to is the special teams. Because you listen to Mike Westhoff who recommended Chris Banjo. Great. That's not enough. You have three wins. And he highlighted the penalties the other day to tie. They went from 31st in penalties last year to 23 this year. Great. Who cares? At the end of the day, Jacksonville's number one in penalties committed, Denver's four. Chicago is six. We need to rethink how we even determine how big of a deal penalties are. Like it's some improvement, but it's not the end all be all. It doesn't make up for the fact you're a national embarrassment. You're a three win team with one of the worst point differences differentials in the history of the Jets.

Ty Butler (11:59)

That's the point. If you were a competent team that appeared to be heading in the right direction, I could look at a jump from 31st to 23rd in penalties as something to be positive about. Because you and I watch every single snap of every game and we have crushed this team for just mind boggling, you know, series ending penalty or series extending penalties that just drove you nuts. But because you're so awful, because you do nothing right outside of special teams, it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know what, we won't be having this same conversation next year.

Jake Asmon (12:35)

And you bring up special teams. Right. Isaiah Williams today was voted the jets team mvp, the Curtis Martin award winner. And I'm not trying to knock him because his story is amazing. And hand up, when they brought him back after they cut him after the Miami Dolphins debacle on Monday Night Football, I said, what are they doing? He has proved me wrong. Good job by Glenn and Banjo. He's been great. He deserved the award. Awesome. But what does it say about your franchise?

Ty Butler (12:57)

Yes.

Jake Asmon (12:58)

When your MVP voted on by your teammates is a guy who was Cut earlier this year. That's got to be. I haven't had Elias Sports Bureau or ESPN research check this. This has got to be the first time that a team MVP for an NFL team was cut during that season. Like, you can't make it up. So, like, what are we talking about here? There's no positives from the year. Anyone telling you they have positives, they're lying to you. Ask yourself this question, Jet fans. What does Aaron Glenn do well as a head coach? Gase won seven games his first year. He did. And the one thing I could say about Gase, that he was terrible. The opening drives were pretty good. They scored. Like, there's not one redeemable quality about Aaron Glenn as a head coach at this point. So, yes, he played for the Jets 30 years ago, but we need to separate our love for him as a player and the respect we have for him wanting this job. And just be honest. Do you want this guy picking the quarterback? Do you want this guy trying to set the foundation for what's to come? Why would a top DC coordinator want to work for this guy if he's already on the hot seat? Why would any quarterback want to be here? It's just there's. Why would free agents want to come here without grossly overpaying? It is a mess. And he was supposed to change a lot of it and show signs of positivity in the right direction in year one. And none of that has happened in this point.

Ty Butler (14:09)

Also, don't help yourself. And I kept hammering this for months. I was hammering this because fans love to pretend they see a coach dunk on the media. Oh, you know, Ritsimini, he's been a negative. He's covering the judges. Been negative. That stuff actually matters because you can't be both unlikable and bad. Like, to your point about having a redeemable quality, fair or unfair, we can afford you some benefit of the doubt if you're a nice guy. So when you walk in here pretending you're the second coming of Bill Parcells, who I know you idolized, that's not going to work when you're three and 14 and your team is a disaster. And so this started, and folks called me, you know, Aaron Rodgers, Homer, say what you want. The fact that they handled that exodus the way that they did to me was unprofessional. And it just was unnecessary because it made no sense. He didn't coach Rogers. It felt like he was trying to make it personal. But for what? You didn't coach him you weren't here last year. If you're trying to create a culture, I would imagine the first thing you want to do is show the locker room. Yes, we're going to hold people accountable, but we're also going to do it in a respectful way. We're not going to disrespect a future hall of Fame, a four time league mvp, one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. It was so mind boggling to me and people thought it's no big deal. Screw Aaron, send him off. But following that up with the combativeness with the media week after week after week, the silly reindeer games about man, you know, Tyrod Taylor, Justin Fields, we need a competitive advantage. As if, you know, Vrabel was losing sleep at night over that. It was just so ridiculous to me. And he has since changed his tune. But I never understood it. And this feels like one of the worst seasons I've ever seen as a Jet fan. And if you asked me like, what's more likely, Aaron Glenn turned Aaron Glenn turns this thing around or we're here next year having the same conversation, I'm going with the latter because history tells me a coach like this and a season like this, there is no turnaround that they're on the cusp of having.

Jake Asmon (16:35)

The numbers back it up. Four of the last 17 coaches that started 0 and 6 or worse actually made the playoffs with their respective teams. One of those coaches is Zach Taylor, who I don't even think is a great coach. He happens to have a Hall of Fame quarterback at Joe Burrow. Sure, we could point the Dan Campbell, but we want to bet on outliers. And again, what does Aaron Glenn do? Well, as a head coach, we know he gets his daily hug from Woody Johnson. Woody said that the last time he publicly spoke. And then after that, what exactly happens? Because you said we're running the Wilkes defense, we know he has nothing to do with the offense. Like, I just, I don't understand how anyone could point to anything of real progress. He lauded the fact they haven't had any field goals blocked. That came up in his list of the four things.

Ty Butler (17:15)

It's so embarrassing.

Jake Asmon (17:16)

That's where we're at the bar shouldn't be this low. And I get it. Oh, Jake, they're tanking. What do you expect? The warning signs were there all summer.

Ty Butler (17:22)

And then they started to start the season by trying to tank.

Jake Asmon (17:26)

They tried to win. That's why they split Rodgers capit over two years. To have more money to spend on this year's team. That's why they gave Fields 30 million and grossly overpaid and said, he's going to play quarterback, we're going to coach him up. You know how offensive that must be for Mike Tomlin to hear? Like they had the audacity or as they say, you know, this show, the unmitigated gall to say. To say publicly, hey, Justin Fields has never been coached up properly. He went 4 and 2 under Mike Tomlin last year and Mike Tomlin still benched him for a washed Russell Wilson that every Giant fan could speak to.

Ty Butler (17:57)

Lit the jets up in Week seven last year.

Jake Asmon (17:59)

How funny. Unreal.

Ty Butler (18:00)

All of this and people are excited to hear from Don Han and Rosenberg once they get back. I love Don. I think he has a tremendous talent. All of this that we just said in the first 18 minutes of the show leads to why I was so disappointed and so frustrating just a couple of weeks ago, listening to my man Don Lagreca say this.

Jake Asmon (18:24)

I think there's a certain fan base that. A certain amount of this fan base, a percentage of this fan base that for some ungodly reason thought this team was going to win eight games. And now they're ticked off and want Aaron Glenn to be the guy that failed them. No, I think you failed assessing that this team could be that good. I never thought it. Alan never thought. I don't think the jets thought it.

FanDuel Announcer (18:44)

But we were taking calls in the summer.

Jake Asmon (18:45)

Hey, I think this team could be a 7, 8 win team. I think it'd be alive in December.

Ty Butler (18:49)

Yeah, I remember.

Jake Asmon (18:50)

I don't know why you thought that.

Ty Butler (18:51)

So that presupposes that the only people in the fan base who are irate right now are Jet fans who thought they could win seven or eight games, which we know is wholly untrue because there are a bunch of Jet fans who I hang out with, who I've spoken to or I've taken calls from. That said, yeah, I didn't have any expectations, but this is still troubling to me to watch them be this bad. You could make the case, and it's not a very hard one to make. This is the worst team in football, the single worst team in the NFL. So all of the questions that we had coming into Aaron Glenn's tenure have just magnified. And it's not only coming from those who thought they could have a pretty good season, who thought Justin Fields could become a semblance of what he was expected to be. That's just not true. So I can be mad at Aaron Glenn even if I had zero expectations because that's how bad this thing has been.

Jake Asmon (19:49)

He said it. He said it. He took shots at Robert Sala's coaching staff. He referenced the fact they had the lead in the fourth quarter seven times a year ago and blew a franchise record seven games in the fourth quarter. Again, the jets last year were not a five win team. If they had a better kicker, how many games did Greg Zuerlein cost them? If they had Nick Folk this year on last year's team, they probably are a 7, if not 8 win team. Conservatively, they had the worst kicking situation in the NFL. Go back and look. It changed everything last year. And that's not to say last year's team was good or we didn't overrate some of the talent. But again, entering this year, ty, they had eight of their 11 starters back. They had an experienced defensive coordinator. Glenn couldn't wait to hire Glenn himself a defensive coach. They had a former first team all pro on all three levels of their defense. And the defense through the first seven games of the year was off to the worst start in franchise history. There's so many red flags and again, the only argument people make for retaining this head coach is oh, it's only a year or who would come here. Again, that is just an admission that he's not the guy. No one can actually make a real football case why Aaron Glenn should get a second year. Not when you talk the way he did. And everything he promised has been an unmitigated disaster. He said they're here to win now and going forward. He's the one who said get used to winning. It's all I know. He's the one who signed Fields, hired Wilkes. He's the one who didn't know how long the game winning field goal was in London. He's the one who said the last four minutes of each half belong to the head coach. And they've been horrific all year in that spot. How about the two fake punts this past game against New England? He's going for it. Fake punts twice on the same drive inside the 50 yard line. If he's not trying to win, why is he doing that? If he's not trying to win, why'd he fire Steve Wilkes? So for the tanking people. Enough. He's not qualified to oversee the selection of a quarterback and rebuild this coaching staff after how bad this year has been.

Ty Butler (21:39)

You know what drove me nuts in that game last week? So Drake May is on his way to a perfect first half passer rating. But that almost got interrupted when Jordan Clark deflects the pass and they're third and seven. The jets are coming off the field on defense. Their offense is about to, you know, get a chance to score some points and this dude is in Stefon Diggs face celebrating. Got hit with a taunting penalty. So of course Drake Mathen marches them down the field to score a touchdown. Like those are symptoms of not just a bad football team but a poorly coached one. So this idea that they have bought into a foundation when there's no proof of concept based on results, it's just lunacy to me. The fact that you are getting torched and Drake may might be the mvp, he's a second year quarterback in your building, absolutely annihilating your defense and you've got this dude celebrating when you're, when you're down 32 to 3 at that point.

Jake Asmon (22:46)

And Ty, guess how many snaps Jordan Clark missed after that incident?

Ty Butler (22:50)

Zero.

Jake Asmon (22:51)

Zero. I thought Aaron Glenn's holding people accountable.

Ty Butler (22:54)

I thought Aaron holds the media accountability. It's Rich Samini, he wants to hold accountable because that's important.

Jake Asmon (22:59)

It drives me crazy because I covered David Cully in Houston. I've seen exactly what this looks like and people acting like, oh, you know, if you get rid of a head coach after a year, it sets you back. Can I give you some names real quick?

Ty Butler (23:12)

Let's do it.

Jake Asmon (23:12)

All right, these are the last one and done. Head coaches since 2018. Gerard Mayo, replaced by Mike Brable, made the playoffs. Antonio Pierce, replaced by Pete Carroll. He's probably going to get fired, but at least they have the number one pick. They'll be able to get a quarterback. Frank Reich, replaced by Dave Canales if he wins Saturday, AKA tomorrow, they're in the playoffs. Lovey Smith, replaced by d'. Amico. Ryan's in the playoffs. Nathaniel Hackett, replaced by Sean Payton in the playoffs. Urban Meyer, replaced by Doug Peterson, made the playoffs that first year. Freddy Kitchens, replaced by Kevin Stefanski, made the playoffs. Steve Wilkes, replaced by Cliff Kingsbury, made the playoffs. Chip Kelly, replaced by Kyle Shanahan, made the playoffs. So there's this idea that you set the franchise back if you make a coach one and done. It's actually the opposite. You actually have a better chance under just recent NFL history to hire the next guy who actually could get you to the playoffs during his tenure as the coach.

Ty Butler (24:05)

It would almost, and actually not even almost. I'm quite certain it would be better if there was no preexisting relationship between the current head coach and the organization. Because part of it has to be Woody's like, man, you know, he's one of us. For the Jets. Once a Jet, always a jet. Like we can't just sever ties because of the history there. So I mean, listen, we are going to allow you guys to vent. Hit us up 800-919-3776 on Twitter HR on ESPN, Jake Asmond, Id Butler, or if you're watching us on YouTube, hit us up in the comments. But painfully. Woody Johnson's not firing him. So we just have to hope and pray they get this thing right. That always works.

Jake Asmon (24:52)

And a lot of hoping. The last 15 years we're made to.

Ty Butler (24:55)

Look foolish forever questioning this guy.

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Ty Butler (26:20)

All right, Game time Brought to you by Tullimore Drew Irish Whiskey because when it's game time.

Jake Asmon (26:27)

It'S tolly time at.

Ty Butler (26:30)

The Knicks, who have not lost back to back games since Halloween, host the Hawks tonight. No Trey Young. What's Trey Young in his career against the Knicks? I have that written down somewhere. Trae Young, 7 and 18 against the Knicks. So Nick fans, no chance to, you know, hurl insulting chants and comments at him tonight. He will not be playing. But you do have coverage immediately following us on 880 at 7. The Rangers, they face The Panthers. Anthony going to be locked into the Winter Classic. I mean, riveted. So no Nick. No, no Nick viewing for you tonight. Just all Rangers, as always. The Knicks are better though. The Knicks might win the title. You're going to miss out on that. That doesn't matter to me.

Jake Asmon (27:13)

It's like you don't know him. He really doesn't. We've worked together for so long and.

Ty Butler (27:16)

He has no idea who I am. It's not Jake.

Jake Asmon (27:18)

It's really disappointing. You would know the answer to that question. And we've worked less together. I would. You are a die hard Rangers fan. You want to watch how the ice in Miami's going to. I can't wait for a Winter Classic. I can't wait for Justin Dowling on the third. How the third line looks with Justin Dowling at center because half the team.

Ty Butler (27:33)

Is dead and sick. I just thought 2026 we get a new version of Anthony Pusick. A new and improved version.

Jake Asmon (27:38)

You were sadly mistaken.

Ty Butler (27:39)

Yeah, very, very mistaken. So you got the Winter classic coverage on 1050 starting at 7:30 into the nets coming off of their loss last night to Kevin Durant. And the Rockets visit the Wizards at seven. So that should be a fun game. Tullamore Du. The original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cash matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Du Honey during today's action, glasses up to Tullamore due responsibly before we get to the phone calls at 800-919-3776. At what point do we get worried about Jacob?

Jake Asmon (28:11)

What specifically are we worried about him for?

Ty Butler (28:13)

Well, because last week he said he was not gonna cut his hair. And sometimes I go full conspiracy theory and I think that there are some other things at play. He looks really good today. You think he's got like a job interview set up so you're going.

Jake Asmon (28:33)

Job interview.

Ty Butler (28:34)

He goes from like, I'm not cutting my hair, like I might let this thing grow for a year to fresh cut.

Jake Asmon (28:40)

I thought maybe you were gonna go down the. Does he have a new woman in his life perhaps? I don't know if he's a. You're a single guy, Jacob. I'm a single guy. So maybe there's someone new in the mix. No.

Ty Butler (28:49)

You think he went out New Year's Eve and found hopped in someone's DMs?

Jake Asmon (28:52)

Was that you on TV with the ball dropping in the. In the adult diaper? That I recognize someone.

Ty Butler (28:59)

So I'M concerned. Are you sure you're with us for the foreseeable future?

Jake Asmon (29:04)

Oh yeah, I'm with you. I'm not going anywhere.

Ty Butler (29:06)

We're go full lane Kiffin. No, this was just same conspiracy.

Jake Asmon (29:09)

Why I cut my head last, last year when I, you know, had the braids and everything.

Ty Butler (29:13)

I just, I tend to take people at their word. But then the conspiracy brain, he's writing.

Jake Asmon (29:17)

On a napkin over there. I don't know what he's writing on.

Ty Butler (29:19)

That napkin, but what's going on?

Jake Asmon (29:21)

I resign as you know, as Belichick Perry over there.

Ty Butler (29:26)

BO of DHC. That'll be a good one. 800-919-3776 before we get to the phone calls, I just think that we're going to get to a point where this conversation becomes pointless. I just don't envision a world in which Woody Johnson decides to punt on a head coach that he gave a five year contract to and that he trusted not just to coach the team, but to essentially run the entire organization. Because Darren Mujee's like his sidekick. So as angry as we are, we can be fired up, we can have a venting, therapeutic session. He's not going anywhere.

Jake Asmon (30:09)

That's the problem. Right? Because a real organization would recognize their mistake and do something about it. Allah. What Robert Kraft did to Gerard Mayo last year, like that's what a real organization.

Ty Butler (30:19)

But is it the flaw in that? And I'll let you finish comparing the jets to a well run Patriots team or organization, it's fair.

Jake Asmon (30:30)

But there's other teams that did it. I mean, I was in Houston when they had a preacher running the organization. They fired David Cully hired preachers. Well, they probably shouldn't be the ultimate decision maker of an NFL franchise as Jack Easterby was, but hey, you know, to each of their own. Again, d' Amico took that job. There were plenty of people who wanted the job when Arizona became available, right? You have the number one pick. And that's why I actually think if you're going to do it, the reason why you do it now is jets are set up with a top three pick, five first round picks over the next two years. Over 100 million in cap space each of the next two years. Like you could build the team the way you want to build it. You have all the resources. Plus Garrett Wilson's here. You could bring Breeze back. You already have two bookend tackles on the left and right side. Tippmann's under contract still. He's a really good guard. You're not completely bereft of talent for a rookie quarterback to be stepping into. Plus you got Mechi and Mitchell. Like it's not. Obviously the roster needs work, but the jets are discussed. Like this is an expansion level roster. It's not even the defense. Following the sauce and quitting deals. You know what drives me crazy? For all you know, when they were winning the games after the trade deadline. Well, we got to give Glenn credit. They're playing hard. Look at the defensive players that are still on this team though. Jermaine Johnson, Jamion Sherwood, Quincy Williams, Harrison Phillips, Brandon Stevens, Juwan Briggs. They've had Will McDonald for every game until this past week when they put him on ir. So yeah, they don't have sauce, they don't have Quinn. Is it really too much to ask for the jets to not have the worst December in the history of the NFL? Is there really too much to ask for them to not be outscored 153 to 46 to get beat by an average of 38 to 11? Are we really asking for that much? Like that's the problem. He's a defensive coach. They don't have one interception. His big decisions with Wilkes, Fields, so on and so forth, the free agent signings, you can go down the line. It all backfired and he's moved the goalpost so many times. How could Woody Johnson objectively feel good about letting this guy oversee Dante Moore or Fernando Mendoza or whoever? It's not going to work. We've seen this so many times.

Ty Butler (32:29)

I just love when people pretend like Justin Fields was. They didn't really expect much. They gave him 30 million guaranteed. Now I get commensurate with like or compared to other quarterbacks. It's not a lot of money. But 30 million guaranteed in year one to a quarterback that was was your.

Jake Asmon (32:50)

Starter and handed him the job without.

Ty Butler (32:52)

Competition, without any competition.

Jake Asmon (32:54)

Glenn said it's all about competition. Joe Tippen had to compete for the starting center job this summer. What? But Justin Fields, who's in his fifth year and has done nothing but lose as an NFL quarterback, doesn't a lot.

Ty Butler (33:04)

Of revisionist history when folks and a.

Jake Asmon (33:07)

Half by the way people act like it was one or two. Yeah, Vegas had it at six and a half.

Ty Butler (33:11)

Well, actually, you know, they were tanky. No they weren't. They were forced into it because all of the decision making and lack of production that led to the 07 start to the season. And so it is going to become a man. What did you expect when the head coach literally told you to expect 18 you could be proud of. Brandon Stevens did not practice. He's dealing with the neck injury. Sticker's already been ruled out. So the jets will be down a couple of defensive players in a game that quite honestly, no one wants to see them win. I just toyed with this idea. Josh Allen's probably going to play the first snap to keep his consecutive game streak alive and then hand the baton over to Mitch Trubisky. Nothing would be same old jets more than Mitch Trubisky throwing three interceptions. You know, Aaron Glenn gets to break out his sideline celebration. They drop down to seventh in the draft like that. That would be same old Jets.

Jake Asmon (34:14)

Fly with them Jets. And then he's going to say in the post game he's going to say, look, 2025 was a tough one for us, but we're undefeated in the new year, baby.

Ty Butler (34:21)

Yeah. And then you'll hear Wordy say I hug him every day. So it's just I am deathly. Like that would drive me crazy. I'll go nuts if they win this game on Sunday. It would drive me crazy.

Jake Asmon (34:35)

There's just no way they will though. That's the thing.

Ty Butler (34:37)

You say that again. But it's the Jets.

Jake Asmon (34:39)

I know, but it's the last game at Ralph Wilson Stadium. Breeze hall is probably not playing. They're starting Brady Cook for another game. I think the defensive players clearly quit on him. I mean just I guess it could happen because it is the Jets. But we've been saying, oh, this would be the game they went. Right, The Saints game. Oh, this is the game they win. Right. You know Bryce Petty beating the Niners a couple years ago. The Greg Zurline kicked to beat the Washington commies a few years ago. Like there's examples that you could point to that would have happened already by now. I feel like, I guess it could still happen. It is the Jets. I think they're going to get a.

Ty Butler (35:09)

Week to do it when Josh is not going to play.

Jake Asmon (35:12)

I think they get killed.

Ty Butler (35:14)

Yeah. If they get killed by Bill's backups, man, what's the conversation going to be like 7:30 on Sunday night? 800-919-3776. Let's start with Jaquan. He's calling us from New Jersey. Jaquan, what up man? Happy New Year. Talk to us.

Caller (35:30)

It was going on Tyler. Funny, Jake. Happy New Year to you guys. Look, I'm a Jets fan, I'm a die hard just fan. But I gotta keep it real. This is why people hate the Jetson. This is why they hate the Jets. They laugh at us because we sitting up here getting mad at a coach. That one doesn't have a quarterback. And yes, he did. Bring in Justin Field.

Ty Butler (35:48)

Jaquan, stop right there. I'm gonna let you finish. I'm gonna let you finish. The coach hand picked this quarterback this past off season. Let's stop acting like Justin Fields was inherited or someone held a gun to Aaron Glenn's head. It was his decision to give him 30 million guaranteed. You may continue.

Caller (36:08)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Yeah, he boarded him. But we gotta stop acting like Justin Fields is not the most bipolar quarterback in the game.

Ty Butler (36:16)

Okay? It's their decision.

Caller (36:20)

He will have 250 yards passing, three touchdowns, and the next game he can't connect to a receiver four yards away.

Jake Asmon (36:27)

Jaquan, he's never played worse though as bad as he might have been in Chicago or Pittsburgh last year, he's never been worse as a jab coaching.

Caller (36:35)

My cousin is a Bears fan. My. One of my best friends is a good. They hated Justin Field. We don't watch the game, so we don't see how bad it was. But I know people.

Ty Butler (36:49)

You are doing this weird thing that people tend to do when they actually think that they're helping their case, but they're hurting it. Despite all of the criticism of Justin Fields and you just laid out, you called it bipolar. I wouldn't use that. But sure, you laid that out. They decided to sign him. They gave him $30 million guaranteed.

Caller (37:11)

This is not because you got the worst owner. We have the worst owner in the game. He pushed Aaron Rodgers out. We act like we had quarterbacks lined up to come to the Jets. We don't have options like that. Y' all act like we have options. At head coach, we had a retread as Rex Ryan. People going crazy for that. This is the only guy that wanted the job. Let him. We got to get a quarterback. At the end of the day, that's the issue. You don't want.

Jake Asmon (37:40)

They have a. Their quarterback coach is a former running back. That's who Glenn hired. Charles London. Look it up. Google him. Look at his resume. What is Tanner Angstrand showing you that he has any clue how to develop a quarterback? What have you seen? You do not get this many chances when you make this many. That's my point.

Caller (37:54)

We're making my point now. The point was Mike Vraybu used the. Just to get Brave to get more money.

Jake Asmon (38:05)

They didn't even interview Mike McCarthy. They could. They could have hired Brian Flores, he was my preference of the candidates they actually spoke to. Don't get me started with the fakta list of that was but Mike Locksley of Maryland, the head coach there, one of the candidates they did like again, Jaquan, I understand part of your point is like, oh, he needs a quarterback. Yes, but how did we get here? So much of how we got here was Aaron Glenn taking a situation that was not ideal and making it a million times worse. We cannot just excuse that and forget just the offense. They should not be this bad on defense. They are historically bad. Defensively they don't have an interception all year. It's never happened in the history of the NFL. That's what we're talking about. There's so many red flags.

Ty Butler (38:46)

Wake up 800-919-3776 I should have asked him and this is a bad job by me. I should have asked him what his win total expectation was coming into the season. Now I don't know if he would have been honest, but even the most pessimistic Jet fan, and that's the point here and why I got so frustrated with Dodd. Even the most pessimistic Jet fan did not envision what Rich Samini called one of the bottom three seasons in Jet history. Coming into it.

Jake Asmon (39:19)

He said it was the coat tight season of 1995. He said it was the gay season of 2020. You and I were old enough to experience that as true diehards, true wins.

Ty Butler (39:28)

And then this year, and I worked at the jet broadcast that year 800-919-3776 we're fired up baby.

Jake Asmon (39:36)

This team like again, it just feels like we care more than the owner does. And I think that's the most disheartening part that this fan base is so great, so passionate. We've had nothing for 15 straight years. They have one winning season during this playoff drought and it just feels like if they retain this coach, we're going to be doing the coaching search a year from now anyway. So be proactive for once and recognize a mistake and own it and do what's in the best interest of whoever the young quarterback is they are about to take.

Ty Butler (40:00)

Keep them coming in the YouTube comments. We love it. Keep them coming on the phone lines at 800-919-3776 and on Twitter and Instagramidbutleregasmondhr on ESPN. We're going till 7 o'. Clock. Yo Giant fans, we will get to you in a moment because there's a ton to talk about with this team. Sounds like Joe Shane's coming back. Mike McCarthy. Do you want him? How about Sunday Night Football loser getting to coach the Giants. So a whole lot to do. We've got fraud alert Friday. We have the NFL picks. We have ENN we're streaming live on YouTube. It's lit Ty Butler Jake Asmon 27 right here on 8 80, ESPN and ESPN.

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Jake Asmon (41:30)

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Ty Butler (41:42)

Ty Butler, Jake Asmit going to a seven o'. Clock. How's 2026 treating you so far?

Jake Asmon (41:46)

You know, it's so far so good. I would say it's been the best year of my life through a day.

Ty Butler (41:52)

Oh well, that's not so.

Jake Asmon (41:55)

Well, it's only a day so far. Day two Yesterday was fun. Watch the college football.

Ty Butler (41:59)

How about that?

Jake Asmon (42:00)

Eat some good food. Hanging out.

Ty Butler (42:02)

Wait, so do we. Do we feel like it's better or worse to have? Because that's a high bar. Now you said it's the best start to a year so far. So like some line of thinking is like it can only get worse.

Jake Asmon (42:15)

Unfortunately, it can only get worse. But that doesn't mean there won't be some great memories and moments along the way.

Ty Butler (42:20)

Now, did you live up to your nomenclature? The ass man on New Year's Eve?

Jake Asmon (42:23)

You know what? Let me tell you. This was the first time since I was probably 10 or younger that I didn't even make it to the ball dropping at midnight. Didn't make it. I watched the Miami Ohio State game. The game ends. I was watching the SVP Post game, and next thing I know, I woke up, the alarm's going off at 5:00am.

Ty Butler (42:40)

Oh, the alarm went off.

Jake Asmon (42:41)

That's right. The iPad alarm went off.

Ty Butler (42:43)

That's crazy.

Jake Asmon (42:43)

My phone alarm went off. We got a new phone charger, thankfully. And then, as Mr. Renan would put it, the vibrator alarm clock went off too.

Ty Butler (42:50)

I was gonna ask you. So you're a vibrator guy.

Jake Asmon (42:52)

Yeah. Pulsating alarm clock.

Ty Butler (42:54)

Oh, okay. Have you received it yet?

Jake Asmon (42:56)

Oh, I got it.

Ty Butler (42:57)

It's good.

Jake Asmon (42:58)

Oh, I've used it.

Ty Butler (42:59)

10 out of 10 would recommend.

Jake Asmon (43:00)

I'd say 12 out of 10.

Ty Butler (43:02)

Wow.

Jake Asmon (43:02)

I mean, it wakes you up.

Ty Butler (43:04)

12 is pretty good. You can't go wrong with the 12 vibrator.

Jake Asmon (43:09)

It was extraordinary. I did that 6 to 9 show New Year's Day.

Ty Butler (43:14)

6 to 9. So we're just diving all into it.

Jake Asmon (43:17)

No hotel. I feel like I'm working with Rick right now.

Ty Butler (43:20)

That's just what we're doing. 800-919-3776. It's great to be with you today. Last time we worked together was Thanksgiving Day. Phenomenal show. I came up on my time hop the other day that we did New Year's Day two years ago.

Jake Asmon (43:38)

I think we had Rex and Nick Wright on that day.

Ty Butler (43:40)

Was. Was. Is that so?

Jake Asmon (43:41)

I believe. Because I think it fell on a Monday.

Ty Butler (43:43)

And then you said some mean things about Nick on Twitter, which I don't think he appreciated.

Jake Asmon (43:48)

When did. During the interview or after?

Ty Butler (43:50)

No, I think you. Because you do your YouTube show and Nick might have said something about the jets that you didn't.

Jake Asmon (43:55)

Well, he was a huge Rogers hater, so I played one of his opinions and probably.

Ty Butler (43:59)

And then you said something like, Nick. You titled it, like, Nick's foolish take on whatever.

Jake Asmon (44:05)

Yeah, probably.

Ty Butler (44:06)

And I don't think he.

Jake Asmon (44:07)

Was he mad about that?

Ty Butler (44:08)

I just don't think it was great.

Jake Asmon (44:09)

Interesting. Well, if. Nick, if you're listening, I apologize. I'm just passionate, not personal. I respect you as a human. I just disagree with your sports opinion.

Ty Butler (44:18)

800-919-3776. How about we hit Derek in Manhattan? He's got some draft options for the New York Jets. Great time for that. What's up, Derek? Oh, yeah.

Jake Asmon (44:29)

Hey, Ty.

Caller (44:29)

Hey, Jake. Happy New Year, guys.

Ty Butler (44:32)

Happy New Year, man. What's going on?

Caller (44:35)

Yeah, so I wanted to hear your thoughts on some of these college quarterbacks, what the potential draft class will look like, and if you guys think any of these guys is a potential good match for the new. Thanks for the Time, guys.

Jake Asmon (44:47)

Well, who are the quarterbacks?

Ty Butler (44:48)

You're going to give us the quarterbacks?

Caller (44:50)

Well, yeah, just your thoughts on, you know, who might be coming out. Like obviously, you know, Fernando Mendoza, Dante Moore, the kid from Ole Miss.

Jake Asmon (44:59)

Well, I mean, here's the bottom line, right? I think the jets are going to be ultra aggressive in getting a quarterback. The question is, no matter who they take, do you feel confident in the way this, this organization is set up for Aaron Glenn to ultimately have the final say? Because we know, according to Woody Muji's Glenn sidekick make that decision on the right quarterback for the Jets?

Ty Butler (45:16)

Yeah. And to answer your question more specifically, obviously the guy, the guy to have a guy right now feels like Fernando Mendoza, who I thought was sensational in that game yesterday. Dante Moore played pretty well. Ty Simpson, man stock all the way down. And then you watched a couple of days ago, Carson Beck, who. Look, Miami didn't win that game because of Carson Beck. Their defense, their defense was outstanding. They scored on defense. They rushed for, I believe it was 100%, 53 yards. Now he does have an opportunity because they won that game to string together some good or even one great performance. And we know this time of year, obviously it happens all the time where all it takes is, is one because we're, we're just so thirsty for the quarterback. But hands down, the answer has to be Fernando Mendoza. It's just the Raiders going to end up with the number one pick and I just think there's no chance they pass on.

Jake Asmon (46:09)

It just feels like it's Mendoza. Then you have Dante Moore, who I still like. I don't think he was bad yesterday. It wasn't special. And now everyone's going to be obsessed with Trinidad Chambliss, the Ole Miss qb, until we see what he does for an encore now in his next matchup because he came out of nowhere three minutes ago.

Ty Butler (46:23)

I was going to say three minutes ago. No one was talking about him.

Jake Asmon (46:26)

You realize he played division two football before transferring around. That's unbelievable.

Ty Butler (46:31)

Crazy. But you know Dante Moore. You have questions about experience.

Jake Asmon (46:35)

He's a one year starter which would have been the same for Ty Simpson if he declares which now that's uncertain. Yeah, look, there's questions with all these quarterbacks. I feel the best about Mendoza because he's played the most, he's got the size, but we don't know. Like everyone's like, oh, there's no Joe Burrow, there's no Andrew Luck. Yeah, there usually never is. They said Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be that took him five years to start playing like the guy that they said he'd be right away. So so much of it, as we've learned, is the coach and the infrastructure of the organization. My biggest fear and why I'm so critical of Glenn and and doing the right thing that I believe is moving on is because we saw the jets actually pick the right quarterback with Sam Darnold, but they failed him with the coach and the roster and everything that happened with Gase and that and those teams that they actually picked the right guy. But we didn't know until years after. And I just don't want to make that same mistake if this organization drafts Dante Moore.

Ty Butler (47:25)

Did you have a fun first hour?

Jake Asmon (47:28)

I can't believe the first hour is over already.

Ty Butler (47:29)

Care to do another one?

Jake Asmon (47:30)

Let's do three more.

Ty Butler (47:31)

So let's do it. 800-919-3776. We return, we'll take your phone calls. I also want to get to the New York Giants and I posed this to the Giant fans. If we put up the scenario of Sunday Night Football, Harbaugh versus Tomlin, winner goes to the playoffs, loser coaches the Giants. Who are you rooting for in this game on Sunday night? Who do you want to see advance? Because that'll set up ultimately if you've got an opportunity to get the head coach. So we'll talk about that next right here on ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

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Jake Asmon (48:57)

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Ty Butler (49:03)

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