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Don Hahn
a million bucks Don Cool man Han Don holding his hammer and Rosenberg Gripug.
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Peter Rosenberg
Don doesn't hold a candle to that pumpkin pie haircutting freak.
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Alan Hahn
This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.
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Don Hahn
This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.
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Sal
The best threesome I've ever heard on
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Don Hahn
ESPN New York and streaming live on
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Alan Hahn
YouTube 301 on the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg It's a somber Monday. We'll get to the Knicks and people fired up about The Knicks Sixers, New York vs. Philadelphia and all that goes in with that. And we'll spend a lot of time over the next four hours dissecting that series. We'll have our predictions and we'll have guests as well. Tim Legolor is going to join us coming up at 4 o' clock to break down that series you thought it was going to be the Celtics. They blow a 31 series lead and now it's the Philadelphia 76ers and I hope it's every bit of what we saw a couple of years ago, but that was a fun series. But you know, the passing of John Sterling cannot be ignored. It touches everybody. You've got Peter who's not from here but certainly has spent enough time here to understand the significance of John Sterling. There's myself who grew up a Met fan, not liking the Yankees, but listen to him because I love radio and I love entertaining broadcast and he certainly brought that. And then of course getting to know him through Michael K and becoming friendly with him and getting a chance to talk to him. Not that long ago when I got the devil job, he called me to congratulate me that he called me before my first game to wish me luck and I didn't get the phone so I got the voicemail and I'll treasure that forever. But I'm curious to really start this whole thing with Alan Hans. Thoughts As a Yankee fan, the only Yankee fan of the three of us, to see, you know, the passing of this legend and basically the soundtrack, I'm sure maybe not your childhood, Alan, but certainly in the formative years of you being a baseball fan.
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Don Hahn
That's exactly how you put it, the formative years. The thing I always like about, and I say this a lot about the Yankees, for me, is it's the one team I never had to cover when I was a sports writer. Like, you know, you have your main teams and then they have. You do other things. And I've done. I've covered just about everybody. I did a Mets spring training, like, I did almost every team, I think, in this. In this town. And, yeah, I did the Nets, Finals, I've done the Knicks, obviously Devils, Stanley cup runs, Rangers, and obviously Islanders. And so the Yankees are the only team. Jets and Giants, the only team I've never actually covered. And so it allowed me to stay a fan because, you know, once, you know. And, you know, this, guys, once you know how the sausage is made, it kind of changes everything for you. There's no mystery. There's no kind of fantasy. It just becomes too much reality. And you understand it. The Yankees have remained sort of that mystery and fantasy to me, and Sterling was such a big part of it because, you know, he. You know, I lost somebody very close to me in Al Trotwig last year, and I always felt like Al had that voice of God and Sterling had that kind of voice, too. Just the baritone, the. The operatic ability to go high and low, the deadpan, like, just so much about what he was as an announcer. Right? Like, just when you. When you get into the broadcast, you understand the value of his voice. But how many. How many people do you really associate with a team like that? And it helped, obviously, that he called so many incredible games and incredible moments and championship years. That's really how, you know, how you become connected like that emotionally from fans. So in all the years I've known Michael and all the years I've been in this business, I've never had the pleasure of meeting him. And that's, you know, that's a loss for me, but it's. It's also. He still remains for me. Like, I can relate to so many of the callers who called Michael's show today and an incredibly emotional two hours of radio. And I listened to a majority of it on my way in, and I related more to the fans than ever before because of how they were calling in and what they were expressing. Because it's all the same things for me, working at Newsday at late night shifts and the Yankees are playing and driving home and it was John, you know, John and Susan. And that got me home a lot of nights. And even when I was covering other teams and the Yankees were playing, driving home, it was John, it was his voice. And they were callers that said they, you stop in the driveway and you don't get out of the car because you won't just wait for the inning to end. And that's a real thing. And that's stuff that was hitting me as I was driving. Because this is a more, you know, this is a mortality thing for us guys. Right. Because the older you get, the more you understand and appreciate the length of a career. And here, 30, when Michael said for 36 summers, man, that hit me. Yeah, you know, like 36 summers. And that's 36 summers. Not of his career, I take it. I'm sure fans will feel the same way. It's 36 summers of my life where I listened to that voice even in the worst of times before it got great. And it's, it's something that it's nostalgic I'll never for, you know, it's a voice you'll never forget. And you know, I've gone down the rabbit hole sometimes just bored somewhere and I just want to watch something. And it's, I'm, you know, I'm the type of person that likes to detach from the real world as much as I can. And he voiced not only the Yankeeographies, but he voiced like a three part series on the history of the Yankees. It's a couple hours long each one. Guys, I watched that only a couple of months ago and loved every minute of it. And he was the voice of it. And nothing went together better than his voice. And Yankee baseball, there's something that hits about baseball.
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Alan Hahn
When you look at the four major sports in this country, football, the only voices we have are on radio. But really, how often do you listen to the game on the radio? It's Sunday. You're watching on television. Unless there's an emergency or something that pulls you away, you're usually going to camp in front of the TV to watch your jets and Giants on Sunday. Basketball and hockey, there's only 82 games. And same thing hits different on television than it does on radio. You want to watch hockey games, the radio is, hey, if I got to go run, get something, or if I'm driving home from work, I can watch it. I want to, or listen and then watch when I get home. Same with basketball. But baseball, because it's 162 games, unless you're a hobbit, you're going to go out and about. So even if you, even if you ingest all 162 games, they're not going to all be on TV. You're going to be at a barbecue and you're going to have it playing or you're going to be in the car stuck in traffic listening. And in the 36 years he was the voice of the Yankees on radio, in the body of those 36 years, he called over 5,000 consecutive games. Amazing, insane number. Not one family emergency, not one time ill. I'm sure he felt ill, but not enough to not call the game. And for a large majority of those 5,000, called all nine innings. Like he is unlike any person I've ever met, radio broadcaster or not. He is such an unusual personality. Michael described it very well in his two hour show earlier about the fact that what you heard on the radio is what you saw. If you met him in person, same voice, it wasn't an act at all. He looked at things differently. He loved life. The stories Michael would tell us about him were hilarious. And then to meet him and get to know him, Peter, it was just incredible. The first time I ever met him, you know, he introduces himself and he was doing a show. Tim McCarthy had hired him to do a show back in the infancy of our radio station. And he came in and he did like a two hour show and, and I was doing updates. So I go in to do the updates and I go back into the newsroom to work on the next update. And I'd known him for five minutes, but he'd come right out and he'd talk to me and he would say things like, I don't know why people talk about talk radio being so difficult. You just open your mouth and talk. How hard is it to do that? And to somebody who didn't know me, like, it sounds pompous, but it was just so. It was almost adorable. Like the way just he looked at life and talked about life. And I told you the story. When he called me to tell me about the devil job, he's like, don, I heard that you were worried about incorporating your color commentators. Don't do that.
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Peter Rosenberg
You're the star.
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Alan Hahn
They can talk when the puck's in the neutral zone. Kenny and Sal, they'll have their moments, but it's your broadcast. You don't have to worry about other people. I laughed to myself when he said it to me because it was coming from such a, like a huge human place and a fun place. But that's the way he looked at life. He just was. I honestly cannot compare him to anyone, not an announcer, not anybody that I ever met. Peter, is there anybody on the face of the earth like John Cerling?
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Peter Rosenberg
So interesting you ask. I, you know, I don't have a personal relationship with John. I know we had him on the show, but I don't recall us ever spending any time together in person. So I know him from driving around, listening to him and Susan from the time that I got here until he retired. And then I really know him better from hearing stories in his voice from Michael K. Yeah. So I have a really bizarre version of this man that so many people in New York, I've been telling Yankee fans. It almost feels unfair that I get to have had the sort of purview that I've had because I'm not a Yankee fan. But fortunately, because of all the years around Michael, I've heard so many stories and he to me, when I got to New York and I first heard him as someone who grew up an Oriole fan, Don listening to John Miller, right. Who is as sort of as bread and butter traditional, a play by play man, as you will find in radio.
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Anthony Canty
Would you agree with that?
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, sure.
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Peter Rosenberg
I mean, he's, to me, you know, he's a goat. But it's very, I was trained on that like this very straight ahead, balls and strikes kind of guy, a nice little story and tale every once in a while, but really a balls and strikes guy. When I got up to New York and first started hearing John Sterling, I was, I was flabbergasted, like at first that this was the voice of New York Yankee baseball because he's so unusual. And then as time went on, I went, oh, he's the perfect guy to be the voice of New York Yankee baseball because. And Michael talked about this today on the show beautifully, because when he got down to the serious brass tacks of a game, when things were important, he was as good and serious a balls and strikes guy as you could find. But when games were sort of, you know, middling, or it's the fifth inning in a 41 game and he's giving you his very job story. It's the perfect mix of how serious Yankee baseball is with the general wackiness that is New York City. That together was John Sterling, the broadcaster. And then of course, when you add what Susan brought to their broadcast. It was the ultimate. It was the perfect New York Yankee broadcast. And then from a standpoint of just getting to hear about him, he just sounded like. From the stories I've heard, both ones that are for air and not for air, you talk about a life well lived. This man just lived life. He lived a lot of life in those 87 years. And it's a sad day because it's over. And I know that Michael and the Yankee family and the fan and yes, and everyone who had a connection to him is going to be hurting today, particularly his family and his kids. But those 87 years, Don and Alan were very, very well lived.
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Alan Hahn
Well, they were. What a great guy. It was. It's a shame, Allen, that you never got a chance to meet him, because he was. He was a gem. He was an absolute gem. But you got to listen to him all those years. And he started in 1989 and it was a rough patch. And then Michael joined him in 92. 92 and 93 weren't great. Then it all came together in 94 and basically no losing seasons the entire time he called games. So you had that right, Allen, of this quirky guy, but tremendous voice, incredible storyteller and great play by play guy. And then this epic team that he's calling, right? Just four championships in five years with all the great players that he got to call. You know, it was 5,000 consecutive games. You get to call, you know, Bernie and Jorge Posada, Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Andy.
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Don Hahn
But there was a flare that came with it. It's the perfect storm, right? It was the perfect kind of meeting of an ultimate Yankees fan who loved the team and the history and understood it and yet had to. He had to call some of the worst of times first. And it allowed him to really, I think, made him appreciate even more when the winning started happening, right. He didn't just step right into like success and all that stuff. He grinded through some bad years that. But I'm sure with the same kind of gusto. Because, look, when it's your dream job since you're six years old, you just, you attack it no matter what. But to see it win and see it win the way it did, like to see that Yankee tradition, which I know a lot of times we kind of yawn at. But let's be honest, I mean that. That return to glory in the late 90s was something very special. And I think that, you know, invigorates him among anyone else that would be calling it. That has that past. Which is why Don, when you got the devil job, it's why, like, it's, it's one of those. It's so. It's just perfect. It's a perfect fit. And it's just the right time for you, right? Because you know, the history, it's the same type of deal. And I think that's what made it so genuine, what made him so relatable, despite the fact that, you know, when you said, is there anybody you can think of that's like him? And I always imagined his voice, his personality on the air. And I know Michael's always said that's who he is off the air and all the stories and everything, without ever meeting him. It's. He is, he is a movie character, a very entertaining one that might not be the leading man, but steal scenes like, that's kind of like how, how you picture him because of the quirkiness and the personality. But on top of it, the passion for the Yankees that he had, that was unbridled to a point. That when there was a big home run or a big win, it's radio. But I heard him stand up and make the call, right? Like you could hear he was standing up. And that's, you know, that's pretty amazing. And the ability to come up with the various home run calls for various players to a point where it almost got comical. And again, as I remember the earlier years, and I'm a part timer at Newsday, just trying to hope that will I ever have a life in this world, a career in this world? And, and the next day you come into work and you see other people who are just like you, church, trying to make it. And the first thing we all do is yell out whatever the bam Tino or all the other calls, burn, baby, burn. And we laugh about it because it was like, what other things is he going to come up with? You know, there was a. There was a poetry to what he did. And he also just had the voice as well that, you know, I mean, just incomparable.
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Alan Hahn
No, he was terrific. And he started out calling Islander games back in their infancy. In the mid to late 70s. He was in Atlanta calling Hawks and Braves games. As a matter of fact, that iconic July 4, 1985 game between the Mets and the Braves that went 19 innings and Keith Hernandez hit for the cycle. And at 4 o' clock in the morning, they still lit the fireworks in Atlanta. Rick Camp had the home run, a relief pitcher to keep the game alive for the Braves. He. He called that game on Television called net games, so he called hockey, basketball, he called some football. When YES started, they had the contract for Ivy League football games and he would call them on Saturday afternoons. He'd be like a Harvard, Yale, college football game. And he would call it for yes. And of course, as Allen said, he narrated the yankeeographies, which is going to be great because that's going to continue to live on yes forever. So not only will you hear him, you'll be able to see him, but just looking at social media, everybody's got a story. People in the business, people that weren't in the business had a chance to meet him, get his autograph and how genuine a person he was, how nice a person he was. Michael K. Is going to join us at 4:30. I know he had two hours, two very emotional hours earlier, but you can't talk John Sterling without having Michael K on. They were partners together from 1992 until the YES Network started in 2002. And so all those championships, those four championships in five years had a chance to call it. Michael brought up and maybe he'll repeat the story when we have him on at 430. He still believes the greatest call John ever made was the Gonzalez RBI single in 2001 that won the World Series for the Diamondbacks because he didn't play it like typical announcers and downplay it. He called it excited because it won the World Series for the Diamondbacks, which showed you how professional he was, even though he's always accused of being a homer. So for the Yankees win, call at the end of the games, but still called it straight like a professional announcer, that impressed Michael. And Michael's got so many stories. As Peter said earlier, Michael had a great impression of him and always had tremendous stories. So Michael had an emotional couple of hours, but I want it to be more light hearted because we're celebrating the life of a great man. And if you knew John at all and no one knew him like Michael did, working, you know, with Yankee games with him or indirectly with him once Michael went to TV for 36 years, is that John did not want a day where he'd be honored in sadness. He'd want a day in which he'd be honored for truly celebrating the life that he lived. As Peter said, well lived for 87 years and he big Broadway fan. He'd sing on the air just again. I can't compare him, Alan, to anyone else. He was as unique a personality as I've ever met. And I assure you, incredible.
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Peter Rosenberg
And I assure you the Stories we know from Michael only make him more unique off the air. I mean, just you think you know everything and there's other stuff. He's just an interesting dude, man. What sounded like a real great hang and one of a kind.
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Don Hahn
And think about it. Of all catchphrases that the great announcers have and the ones we remember forever, and they all have them, but there's also the. It's not really a catchphrase. It just was more of a something in passing that has turned into a legend, which is. That's baseball, Susan. Yeah. And we use that for everything almost in life now. Right. When something goes wrong and it's like expectedly goes wrong, that's. That's been my go to for years. That's baseball, Susan. You know, and it's just something he said in passing, but, you know, that. That also is a. Is a good example of kind of how you become iconic.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. And they made a great team. Michael and John made a great team. The times that Charlie Steiner worked with him, then obviously with Susan Walman was able to. She complemented him perfectly.
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Don Hahn
It really was a special combination on the air.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, it really was.
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Don Hahn
There were times, especially in moments of frustration that John would have with the Yankees where she was almost like. Like how she would finish his sentences or just kind of like gently correct or there's just something about them as a baseball couple that just made it even more an entertaining listen.
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Alan Hahn
And I, and I, and I will tell you this as someone that does play by play and have certainly made my share of mistakes that as he was getting towards the end, there were some mistakes that were made that I think were still. Because everybody loved him, nobody killed him for. Kind of became a thing. Right. Al. But I would notice, maybe just as a broadcaster, that other people would notice how Susan always had his back.
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Don Hahn
Yep.
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Alan Hahn
Like, if there was a mistake, she would say, yeah, I couldn't tell either John that instead of throwing him under the bus and saying, no, that was fair by 10ft. Jon, what are you talking about? And believe me, there are announcers out there that would do that, you know, because they want to show everybody, hey, I'm on it. My partner might not be, but I'm not. I'm on it.
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Don Hahn
So. Right.
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Alan Hahn
She would always have his back so he wouldn't feel embarrassed because, let's face it, as he got deeper in age and it was tough to see sometimes, and the game can be complicated to explain, and sometimes he would, you know, think it was a home run and it wouldn't be or fair and foul and all that. And it happens. It happens to the best of us. When you do that many games, they're not all going to be perfect. And Susan always had his back because at the end of the day you couldn't see it anyway. Right. So it was really easy. But it was her to be there for him, which I thought was great.
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Don Hahn
And to throw her some love too, by the way. And she was great. Michael had her on and. And I thought that was such a fantastic interview because like you said and Peter said this, it's. Susan was more pushing like the celebration of the man rather than the sadness of it all, which I love. But in those moments, I really enjoyed them together because it was like the gentle. I used the phrase gentle corrections almost like, like what, what your wife will do when you're telling a story to neighbors and you missed a couple of things and she'll just like, you know, that's this. And this happened like, like just little, like gentle instead of making you look bad. And I thought that was what made them kind of fun to listen to because they had seen so much baseball together. And you know, like just the fact that she always. She just knew where to fill in the blanks if he wasn't able to do it. And you know, look, it's what makes great broadcasting duos are big. Obviously chemistry is huge, but it does certainly start with the iconic voice. And it's one like, I don't know how you guys feel, but if the Yankees ever want to celebrate his legacy in any way when they win at home, you got to continue the Yankees win. There's many recordings of it. You can play that in the building when they. When you get the last out.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. But so many people are going to remember that forever. And I really wish that there's like honored in Monument park at some point. Should be in the hall of Fame, unfortunately outside of New York, maybe they just didn't get him.
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
And he will eventually get in. But it's just a shame because he not only would he really appreciated it, he would have given a hell of a speech had he gotten on when he was still with us for sure. So it's an interesting day because it should be a nick day for sure. And Michael brought this up if John would be like, all right, get to the Knicks already. Because he wouldn't want to interrupt a good sports day. Good sports conversation because it is a big deal. Game 1, Madison Square Garden tonight. That's where Allen is getting prepared for the pre game on MSG and the post game two. So we've got that to get into for sure. And then we'll get into the Knicks with Tim Legler at 4:00'. Clock. Michael will join us at 4:30 as he will have some, I'm sure great stories to get into with John as well. Want to let everybody know Mets Rockies coverage will be on 1050 today starting at 5 o'. Clock. Knicks Sixers immediately following us and 880 at 7 o'. Clock. So thanks to our partners at the Mets, every Knicks game will be heard on 880 for the remainder of their playoff run if their schedules conflict. So that's not nothing. So we really appreciate the Mets doing that.
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Don Hahn
thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Peter Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Don Hahn
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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Alan Hahn
Just a reminder, the Mets game has been shifted to a 5:20 start. Coverage at 5:00 clock will be on 10:50 as the Knicks game is going to air on 8:80 tonight. So we're going to take it right up till 7 o' clock and every Met game and Knick game that conflicts and there'll be quite a few during the course of this Knicks run which hopefully goes all the way until they're handed a trophy. The Knicks will be on 880 and the Mets will be on 1050 and we really, really want to thank the New York Mets for making that shift. So they got a 5:41st pitch because of the weather in Colorado because apparently just it's full. I mean listen, as nice a day is it out and it got to like 70. It's like dude, we're, we're four days into May now. Let's, let's get some.
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Peter Rosenberg
Are you with me? With me now? Yeah, it's, it's now. Ridiculous. It's, it's, we've got, it's the other day. I mean my parents knows. Yesterday. My parents got here yesterday.
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Don Hahn
It was freezing.
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Peter Rosenberg
We were outside. I was on the, you know, I live on the river, it's absolutely free in the insane wind and cold. And you're like, it's May 3rd.
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Alan Hahn
No, it's crazy. I mean, I'm taking the kids to school and it's under 50 degrees. And I took them to the Somerset Patriot game yesterday and it was nice and the sun was out. And when the, when the sun was on, you felt warm, but you know, it's like 57 degrees. I'm like, it's May 3rd.
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Peter Rosenberg
Dude, enough.
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Alan Hahn
I get the April stuff, but now we're in the May. And Alan, I know you celebrate May the fourth be with you.
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Don Hahn
Yes. Can I show you guys something? Take a look when you get a chance at the monitor. Stephanie made me a cupcake.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, boy.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. Isn't that nice?
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Alan Hahn
I don't. The hair today.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. What's going on? What's going. This is different.
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Alan Hahn
You went somewhere, you did something. You met someone and he may have dyed it. No, I'm not going to go there.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, he was considering it, but yeah.
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Don Hahn
No work. Work was done on Friday after Get up.
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Alan Hahn
What do they. It's not Yoda. What's his name?
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Don Hahn
Grogu. Grogu.
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Peter Rosenberg
Grogu Yoda.
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Don Hahn
It's the baby Yoda thing. But yeah, but yeah. So May the fourth everybody be with you.
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Peter Rosenberg
So. So do you. Do you think sometimes Alan's whole Star wars thing is that like, it was too easy for him with women? So he said, how can I make this harder?
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Alan Hahn
It's his donut on the on deck circle. Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
He goes, I wanna. It's too easy for me. I want to make sure I can, you know, to get my reps in. How can I try to make it a little harder? Well, when I meet a woman, she goes, what are your interests? And I go, Grogu. And like, that could at least add a speed bump the way, you know what I mean? Cuz he's good looking, he's tall.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
Just like. Let me be a weirdo about Star wars for a challenge.
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Don Hahn
Professional wrestling and heavy metal really got you guys raking it in too, I'm assuming too, right?
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Peter Rosenberg
Honestly, it's not. I hear what you're saying. I gotta tell you, Star Wars, Anthony, is in a world all itself.
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Don Hahn
I. I'd see. I completely disagree.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, you can.
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Alan Hahn
You can.
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Don Hahn
Star Wars. Star wars is a great conversation starter because if somebody, if you meet someone and they just give you a look like I don't know what you're talking about, and they walk away, then they waste time. But if they start arguing, which is the better episode. Come on, now you're in.
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Alan Hahn
Doesn't stop you from getting.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, metal's a bad example, Anthony. Metal. Metal was actually cool.
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Don Hahn
Like, I mean, now you got somebody that's, that, that wants to think, that understands, you know, the drama in life.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, no, you're, you're. These are two different things, though. These are two different things.
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Don Hahn
Okay.
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Peter Rosenberg
Can you meet an awesome woman who's into Star wars and then they're like your dream woman? Absolutely.
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Don Hahn
How about this?
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Peter Rosenberg
However, if you're out talking to random women, right, and they're not into Star wars, and you go, I'm so excited for the release of Grogu and Donut,
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Alan Hahn
whatever it's called, when Alan will be out on the town saying, would you like to see my lightsaber? And when they'd actually see a lightsaber, they'd be a little taken.
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Anthony Canty
A.B.
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Peter Rosenberg
they said yes already. But they didn't know it was going
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Alan Hahn
to be for me.
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Don Hahn
For me, it was, it was finding the woman of my dreams who knew nothing about Star wars. And now she loves it.
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Alan Hahn
I know. You got her in, huh? All the way.
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Don Hahn
Especially because of Grogu. Baby Yoda loves Baby Yoda. Now she's making me cupcakes.
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Peter Rosenberg
Boys, ladies love Grogu. That is, I've always heard, LL Cool Grogu.
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Don Hahn
Yes.
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Alan Hahn
So Sterling's gonna be a part of the show all day if you want to call and talk about it. For sure. 1-800-919-3776. Just your memories, if you have any stories of meeting him. And Michael's going to join us at 4:30. But the other big story of the day, and it certainly takes a sideline to John Sterling, but still is significant, is the Knicks playing the Philadelphia 76ers. And it wasn't that long ago, guys, where it was like, are the Knicks going to make it to the second round? And if they make it to the second round, of course they're going to play the Boston Celtics. And now they're playing the Sixers. And I got to tell you something, Allen, I'm, I'm a little worried. I'm a little worried for what I said last week. When you look at the Knicks history, this is when you should be concerned. When everybody's got them winning. You're going to play the Sixers, they're going to sweep them. I'm listening to the calls earlier the second hour of the Case show, and I was listening to Barton, Carl. Oh, we're sweeping them. Knicks in four. You're Getting all set on the Cavaliers or the Pistons. Take a look at the Knicks history recently. This is when you should be worried. I'm not saying they're going to lose, but these are the types of moments. Indiana last year in the conference final, you go back to when they played the Heat a few years ago. It seems like when you count your chickens and they have shown you even early in the series against Atlanta, they do not handle prosperity well. So they better have the same attitude they had when they closed out the Hawks starting this series with the Sixers. Because if they're starting to fantasize about a finals run, that's when all of a sudden you lose game one and change everything. So hopefully they're still mining their P's and Q's.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, I'm with you. I think that's the problem sometimes that this team has gone to these places where when they're the underdog, they're really good at punching up. But then when they become sort of the favored team, that's when it feels like they let you down. I, I just wonder, though, if Game 4 against Atlanta changed everything. Because, like, Josh Hart was talking about this on his, you know, he and Brunson do the podcast and during the playoffs they only do it when the series is over. They don't do it during, obviously, but their, their first round wrap up podcast, he said that that moment was like when you're playing a video game and you're not doing well and you just lean forward like you were leaning, you're laying back in the chair, just playing the game and then all of a sudden you sit up and lean forward and now you're locked into the tv and you. He's like, that's kind of what happened with the team, is you kind of were like, all right, I'm enough messing around, like. And that feels like the moment now it's got to carry over. Like anything with any team, once you start to see something go right and a lot went right for that team. And I, I could, I'm telling you right now, I don't think it mattered who they were playing. Have you ever seen, in the playoffs, in a closeout game on their court, have you ever seen a team quit? Not like they made them quit. And that's been the conversation there. Guys were quitting because they were. They had no answers. So I'm wondering, can the Knicks take that, realize Boston's out of the way now? Like, Detroit has shown us a lot of warts. The door is open, the opportunity is there. How bad do we want this? I think we'll know tonight. By the way they play in game one.
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Alan Hahn
I agree. I think you'll know tonight. Just on the note with Detroit, that's the one break they have not gotten in recent vintage. They've gotten a lot of things to break their way destroyed, still lingers. And maybe there's a concern because they had to go seven against Orlando, but they took care of business going. Coming back from three, one down. And they are a bit of a matchup problem with the Knicks, but that's obviously for round three. They still got round two to get through. And as far as the quit factor, I was off on Friday, so I'm not sure if you brought this up or not. It was very comparable to the 2000 championship game. Giants, Vikings. That's what it reminded me of where the Vikings just quit. The Giants ended up closing that game out on like a 13 minute drive because the Vikings were checked out like 41 nothing. But at least that was at Giant Stadium, you know. But to have that happen in Atlanta, I'd never seen anything like that before. But that's what was comparable to me in a big moment advancing to the next level, completely eviscerating your opponent the way that they did that. That's unlike anything I've seen before on the road.
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Peter Rosenberg
Now listen, it would have been, I wouldn't have hated for the Knicks if Detroit also is not around instead of maybe, you know, obviously they've shown warts, as Alan said. Obviously they're going to be a little worn out, but maybe they also feel a little bit motivated, like they got over this hump and now there's a little, a little extra there. Would have been nice to have Orlando sitting there, but hey, you deal with what you got in front of you.
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Don Hahn
Well, who's to say, Peter? Who's to say you're not going to have Cleveland waiting for you?
- [37:03]
Peter Rosenberg
That's exactly right.
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Don Hahn
Because I will point out Cleveland purposely made sure that they stayed on Detroit side of the bracket because where did the. Where did Pistons coach JB Bickers have coach before he went to.
- [37:17]
Alan Hahn
That's true.
- [37:17]
Don Hahn
Cleveland. Those guys think they know him and they think they match up well against them and they believe that's the favorable matchup they were doing. Cleveland did all they could to avoid Boston. They wanted nothing to do with Boston. They wanted Detroit. That's what's going to make the second round on the other side of the bracket.
- [37:34]
Alan Hahn
Really, that's fine. But you know what? I respect the Magic more Than I respect the Raptors. And I don't buy Cleveland. I just don't. And I also don't buy Harden.
- [37:44]
Don Hahn
Yeah, I get it. He won a Game seven.
- [37:47]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, there you go.
- [37:47]
Alan Hahn
Well, somebody had to win that game.
- [37:49]
Don Hahn
That finally happened. But no, it's a good point. But it'll be interesting to watch all that. But this is where we start to say, let's get our feet. Let's be where our feet are. We did this the other day, right, Going into Game five, where everybody. Where one. One person was talking about who's going to replace Mike Brown and the other person was talking about how are we going to beat the Celtics. And it's a. Be where your feet are. And that is what you're talking about. Don, is this group understanding what you just what flipped in the middle of that series in Atlanta. Now build from that and just literally get into that focus of what's in front of us. A dangerous but beatable Sixers team that we all know is one tweak away from Embiid being done. Know that. And they don't really have a bench, but they've got a really good four players in the starting five.
- [38:41]
Alan Hahn
No, they do really good.
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Don Hahn
And they have a head coach who's always good at just mixing up defenses and junking things up and frustrating the hell out of you. So they. It's another challenge, but it's not a. It's not an impossible one. This is one. They should be favored. They should believe that. And again tonight, build off of what you did against Atlanta. That's all you have to do. What they did in Atlanta, what they did, not the game, but what they did in game four in Atlanta. And then forward for the rest of that series. That's the proverbial switch flip that you were waiting for with this team to see its potential. And for three games in a row, we saw it. The way they won by double digits in each game and higher and higher each time to make a team quit. It was remarkable to watch.
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Alan Hahn
All right, we got calls on Sterling, we got calls on Knicks. But let's say I wanted to bet the Nick game. Peter, what do I do?
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Peter Rosenberg
You probably want to see where I'm feeling. Yeah, me and the Knicks been getting along great.
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Don Hahn
Oh, right.
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- [42:29]
Alan Hahn
So nick Sixers game one will be right here on 880 with coverage beginning with Pat O' Keefe at 7 o'.
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Peter Rosenberg
Clock.
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Alan Hahn
Even though the Mets have coverage at 5 o' clock for their game against the Rockies at 5:40, that's going to be on 10:50. And anytime the Knicks and the Mets are going to be up against each other during this Knicks run, the Mets will be on 1050 and the Knicks will be on 880. So remember that. We'll remind you. And also thanks to the Mets, they didn't have to do that. They did. So we really want to thank our partners for making the shift, understanding the story the Knicks have become. And so game one, Knicks Sixers will be on 880 with coverage beginning at 7 o'. Clock. Ready for some calls?
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Don Hahn
Let's do it.
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Alan Hahn
1-800-919-3776. Let's start it off with our friend Felicia in Mississippi.
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Peter Rosenberg
You're on.
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Alan Hahn
Donjon Rosenberg, how are you?
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Felicia
Hey guys. Doing pretty well. How about you?
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Alan Hahn
Good, good.
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Felicia
I just wanted to share a quick story about John Sterling. I got to know him on kind of a personal level when I was a freshman in college. I actually went to my initially I was going to school for journalism and one of our first assignments was to interview someone within the media professional. And so I called the Yankees media relations number, had very little hope of him calling. They took my number down and you know, didn't promise anything. And lo and behold, a few hours later I received a phone call from John Sterling. He called me from his cell phone and he told me, I hate this thing. I just wanted you to know that I got your message and I'm willing to do the interview with you, but can I give you my home number and you give me a call back in a few hours? And it was just so very casual. He didn't have to do this. We ended up developing somewhat of a friendship and I called him a few more times while I was in school for different things. Happened to tell him about an internship I got right before I graduated. And he sent me a letter because I had sent him some. Oh, I left off one part. So after I did the interview, he said there's one condition. I want you to send me a copy of your article that you wrote. And I guess he saved my address all those years. And I called him A few times after I graduated and he still remembered me. Every time I would say, hey, this is Felicia from the student from the University of Memphis. And he's like, oh, I remember you. And that's just the type of guy he was. Like, we never met him. I never met him in person. You know, I never. But it just, that's the type of guy he was. And he didn't have to do that to me. And I don't think there's a lot of professionals now. This was, you know, this is 2010, 2011, 2012. Ish. I don't think there's a lot of professionals that would do that now. It just was really neat to me and it's always stuck with me. And I told my husband, I hate this. I was like a few months ago, I said, you know, I haven't called him since he retired because I called him right after he retired and I just kept putting it off. And I knew he was kind of, I knew he was doing poorly health wise and I really hate that I didn't call, but it probably wouldn't have been a good time anyway, but just wanted to share that because he's such a wonderful guy.
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Don Hahn
I love that.
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Alan Hahn
That is so cool because again, he didn't have to do that and he took the time to do it. And kudos to the Yankees for passing the message along that that means so much. I, I, I, I try to do that. I know you guys try to do it too, because there are so many people that help me through my, my career.
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Don Hahn
Absolutely.
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Alan Hahn
But when you hear stories about somebody that significant taking the time out of their busy day to do that and then stay in touch after the fact.
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Don Hahn
Well, listen, Don, the real ones do that.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, right.
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Don Hahn
That also tells you a lot. Like that's you care about the business and you care about the next generation. You care to take the time because, you know, and look, I mean, John didn't start like in, you know, step right into the business as the voice of the Yankees. He grinded, man, like he, he went, it took him years to get to that job. So he understands, like I, I've clearly he understood what it took and how important it is to give advice that you learned along the way. And I know you feel that way. I do. I try to get back as much as I can. And that's a great example of it. The real ones get it, man.
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Peter Rosenberg
Derek Jeter has spoken. John Sterling is as much a part of the fabric of the New York Yankees organization as any player. It was an honor to have him call every one of my games during my career and an absolute pleasure to get to know him on a personal basis.
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Don Hahn
Wow.
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Peter Rosenberg
My thoughts and prayers are with his family and friends. He will be deeply missed.
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Alan Hahn
That's another thing.
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Don Hahn
That's a strong thing to say as any player. Right. As significant as any player. That's. That's the greatest compliment you can give to somebody who is not a player in a franchise. Has been around a long time.
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Alan Hahn
Now listen, Alex Rodriguez helped him when Sterling had the fire. Like to have that kind of relationship with players because players sometimes don't really care about the broadcasters or whatever. But he always seemed to have a tremendous relationship with all the significant Yankee players. Now I'm big at having the right game plan on the ice and at home, which is why I use Viking Pest Control myself. As a pest control provider and proud partner of the New Jersey Devils, Viking has been protecting homes for over 45 years with expert pest control service and solutions tailored just for you. From ants, cockroaches, rodents, stinging insects and backyard mosquitoes, Viking keeps pests out of your house and out of the play. Bundle pest control with mosquito services and save big one call one company. Total peace of mind. Visit vikingpest.com Viking Pest Control Protecting your home inside and out. Let's go to Sal in Maspeth. You're on ESPN New York.
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Sal
Hi, guys. I feel, I hate to change the subject after talking with a nice story that was about John, but about the Knicks. You know, my biggest fear is not Maxey and their speed because they do have great speed in the backcourt. But I think, I think with Alvarado, maybe with some of our other guards, we could maybe handle it. But I worry about Embiid at the, you know, we have sort of changed our offense now and we're going more with Cat at the top of the key. But I'm sure, you know, and he was able to make them bounce passes or the alley oop passes or the cutting passes through the lanes pretty easily. But with Embiid there, you're probably going to stay on top of him and get in his face. It might be a little harder and that could affect, you know, what do you think?
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Don Hahn
I would love it if embiId guarded towns 15 to 20ft from the basket and put him into pick and roll. I would love that. That. That is probably the dumbest decision that they could make. If they do that, get him away from the rim and have him that far away and then put him in pick and roll situations. Where he'd have to either drop or switch. Yeah, that would be. That would be exactly what you'd want if you're the Knicks. He's not. I don't think he's going to guard him. I think he's going to play off him and they're going to, they're going to have him roam because you saw what Boston did the first game he played. They had him in pick and roll all day and he couldn't move. They destroyed them the very next game. They changed up everything. Defensively, Nick Nurse is really smart with what he can do with his players. I would really be surprised if Embiid spent a lot of time guarding Towns that far away from the basket. Will he switch over to him if he's down in the paint? Yeah, of course. But I can't see that happening because if it does, the Knicks should be able to pick that apart with triple handoffs and Towns just having them out that far away from the basket. Perfect. You stay out here on me and then let let our smaller guys let our wings. Let let Brunson go ahead into the paint, not have to worry about you. Big difference when he's in the paint versus away from the basket. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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