Alan Hahn (1:40)

Come on now.

Don Hahn (1:40)

I'm sorry, it just. It looks like a Rangers game.

Rosenberg (1:43)

Doesn't look like a Rangers. Different color.

Alan Hahn (1:44)

Blue Rangers. Yes, slightly. But it's. It's. I mean, that's. Come on, it's.

Rosenberg (1:51)

It's. You. What are you going to do? Red, white and blue. What do you want to do? It's.

Don Hahn (1:54)

Listen, it's fine.

Alan Hahn (1:55)

What are they supposed to do?

Don Hahn (1:55)

No, listen, we are.

Alan Hahn (1:56)

We don't want some teal. We were.

Rosenberg (1:58)

We were at war.

Don Hahn (1:59)

We weren't trying. You know what I mean?

Alan Hahn (2:00)

We weren't trying.

Don Hahn (2:01)

Well, all we do is throw up a usa. The leaf is something.

Peter (2:05)

I didn't like the black maple leaf that Canada had going yesterday.

Alan Hahn (2:08)

I didn't like that either.

Don Hahn (2:09)

Well, this is. But this is a red leaf.

Peter (2:10)

No, no, the U.S. the Canada Women's is good.

Alan Hahn (2:13)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (2:15)

The men's one was a black.

Peter (2:16)

They have a version where it's a black maple leaf.

Don Hahn (2:18)

No, I like this one. This. This red leaf is beautiful. Dom would love being Canadian.

Alan Hahn (2:22)

I mean, it's a leaf.

Don Hahn (2:24)

Listen, we rake leaves.

Alan Hahn (2:26)

Like, what do you want, leaf?

Rosenberg (2:28)

Well, not so far today.

Alan Hahn (2:29)

Yeah, we're not raking yet.

Don Hahn (2:31)

Not raking yet.

Rosenberg (2:32)

Still early. 15 minutes left to go.

Alan Hahn (2:36)

Let's see if we get something here.

Rosenberg (2:38)

But we might have lost Alan already. But we'll get him back. Because you know why?

Alan Hahn (2:41)

Right here.

Rosenberg (2:42)

Because. Because the Knicks are back. And it's not just the Knicks are back.

Guest (Kendrick Perkins clip) (2:46)

It's.

Rosenberg (2:46)

They're playing the Pistons. And this is kind of those. And I hate the word litmus test, guys, because that. That. That to me. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it's just a semantics game. When you say measuring stick game, litmus test game. The Pistons should be looking at it. Is this. I understand they're the better team. They've got the better record. They got best record in the NBA. Very quietly, they have passed the Thunder best record in the NBA. But the Knicks were the favorite going in. I still think the Knicks are the favorite to go to the final. The Knicks went farther than the Detroit did last year. So, I mean, and I know that it hasn't gone well against the Pistons so far this year, but the last game, not everybody played. And not everybody's going to play for Detroit in this one either. But hey, it's a game. It's a game you'd like to win. It's a game that I think starts, as Allen said, the Gauntlet. The next eight to 10 games, all very, very good. Outside of the games against the Bucks and the Bulls, every other game is against a really tough opponent. They got a Western swing at the end of it, too. But I don't want to get too caught up in it, Alan, because again, last year they got killed by the Cavs and the Celtics and it didn't matter in the postseason. So I think it's kind of cool. It's kind of. All right, let's see where we're at. But I'm not freaking out over this game. I'm glad right out of the box you haven't had basketball in a while. So it's good to get these two really good teams playing each other in the first game back from the break. But I don't think anything can be declared by what happens tonight, do you?

Alan Hahn (4:18)

No, nothing declared, but certainly especially without Jalen Dern is going to be out and Isaiah Stewart. So the two of their best big men, two of their most physical of course, big men that set big screens and all that, like, they're not going to be there because of the fighting, suspensions. So that's significant. So it's. It's one of those games. Like, even Mike Brown said it. He's like, you know, they didn't just win the games, they beat us pretty bad. And he said, it's like you're saying it's not that it's more important than any other game, but there does come a point where as a team, you got to kind of dig in and be like, all right, we need to let them know, like, we're not. You know, they. Especially without those two guys and in our building, like, the attitude has to be a little different tonight to kind of start the focus of. Down the stretch they come, which is what we are. 27 games to go here. Like, there has to be some sense in this game tonight of. I don't know if you're sending a message, but at least just make some little statement about, like, don't think that we're just laying down against you guys. We're going toe to toe, and you got to be ready for what we're going to be here down the stretch. And if we ever meet in the postseason. Who.

Don Hahn (5:34)

Who's out for the Knicks tonight?

Alan Hahn (5:37)

Just mc. Just. I think Deuce. I think. I think Anunobi's listed as a. As questionable, but he did. I think he said he was going to play.

Rosenberg (5:44)

Yeah, that changes things. If he doesn't play.

Don Hahn (5:46)

If OG Plays, they got to win.

Alan Hahn (5:50)

Yeah, I'm with you. I think they've got to start. Look, they won 10 of their last 12 games. They smoked the Sixers in the last game they played them. The ugly one was the overtime loss to the Pacers. We all know that. But they had some really impressive wins down the stretch before the break. It's as if they were finding themselves. They just added two bulldog kind of personalities to the team off the bench. And this first 10, like, if I'm Mike Brown, I'm. I'm wondering how he handled the break. When they came back, they had a couple of days of practice because I would want to have this to be the tone setter, like you said, Don. Next 10 games, eight of them are against teams in the top six in the east or the West. They're playing a lot of really good teams. They have one of the hardest, I think the 10th hardest remaining schedule. They still have two at the Thunder, two at the Rockets, and they've got to still play Detroit One more time after this, or. No, this is the one more time. Denver, the spurs again, the Celtics again, and Cleveland, who has been playing better. So there's, you know, there's some mess. And after they get through the 10, it really softens up. So what do you.

Rosenberg (7:06)

What, what you do here really softens up. It's crazy.

Alan Hahn (7:09)

So what you do here really sets you up for what seed you're going to get in the postseason.

Caller (7:15)

And.

Alan Hahn (7:16)

And you want to. So that if you have to see Detroit, you don't have to see until the conference finals. Right, Right. That's the team that, you know, if we are on a collision course, I'd rather see you later than earlier in the playoffs. Because a young team later in the playoffs, it's got to be a different feel versus a veteran team that's gone deep in the playoffs the last couple of years.

Rosenberg (7:36)

But when you get a game like this, you do get opinions. And Stephen A. Smith has been on first take the last couple of days. Really putting it out there for the Knicks that it's. It has to be this year and how big this game is. Here are a couple of things that Steven said over the last couple of days about the Knicks, and this is the big one for me. Knicks have to win the east this year.

Stephen A. Smith (clip) (7:59)

Detroit's not going away. Cleveland's not. LeBron might go back to Cleveland next year. Who knows? You understand? And he mean if he don't. You looking at Harden, with Donovan, with Mobley, with Allen, it's like, yo, Cleveland's not going anywhere. Tatum coming back. I know the New York Knicks had him last year, but damn it, that was last year. This is Tatum and Brown. They ain't going away. So if you're the Knicks, this is your moment. You got to seize it. Because if you don't, chances are there's no time in the future we can foresee you doing it.

Rosenberg (8:31)

I completely disagree. Not necessarily that it's not going to be hard. Yeah. Harder or harder. But can we stop with the whole, like, kind of the Knicks are there. The Knicks deserve to be there. By the way, they beat the Celtics with Tatum last year. All right, now, I'm not saying that they would win every series against them, but they beat them last year. All right. I'll believe the Cavaliers when I see it. I know they got Harden, but we don't know Harden's going to stay there any length of time. How do we know the Pistons aren't going to be the Cavs from last year? Alan, great team in the regular season, but they got banged up at the wrong time. I, I just think you need to embrace the fact that the Knicks, yeah, this is an important year, no question, because I think it's going to get a lot harder. But to dividendly say that your window closes if you don't win this year. I think it's not showing enough respect to this team.

Alan Hahn (9:23)

Yeah, I feel like it's odd that there's a lot of doom and gloom and a lot of, like, fear mongering when it comes to the Knicks. I mean, as I've said, I'll just get right to the point. I've said this a million times. If they don't get to the finals this year, you expect the Giannis thing will come back and will become a real thing again.

Rosenberg (9:48)

Right.

Alan Hahn (9:48)

And by then, who's going to say, oh, this team needs more time. That's two years that you gave this group. Right? It's two years. And, and if you can't get there, they got to the conference final last year. If they don't get there this year, they don't take another step this year, you have every right to then say, well, this guy's 32, he wants to be here. We got to make it happen. Because I agree with what Stephen A. Said. There is a window. There is. Because Brunson's what, 29, 28. Like you're not getting younger, right? You have to, you know, Anunoby's 28, Hart's 30. You have got to understand that you've got a couple of years here to try to strike. So that's why if they end up going into the summer and then they get Giannis, how do you possibly say that they'll, they'll never have another chance again?

Rosenberg (10:38)

Yeah, because that, that's the piece that he's missing is, is that if they do bow out early, they'll go out.

Alan Hahn (10:44)

You got to know that's there, right?

Rosenberg (10:45)

You got to know it. And listen, I think there's a big difference between being bounced in the first round and going seven tough games with Detroit maybe coming up short and said, all right, we'll go, we'll go after him next year, and maybe we get Giannis, maybe we don't, but I'd still like another crack at them. It was a tough series last year, right? And the Pistons got better, you know, so why couldn't there be another tough series against the Pistons and the loser gets better the next year? So it's, it's, it's an interesting, I think Sometimes we look at the Knicks because they haven't won in a long time as being, you know, the little engine that could. And certainly last year was a surprise. I don't think anybody had on their bingo card them going to the conference final. They didn't beating the Celtics the way that they did, but they did. And instead of looking at it as a fluke and now you got to take advantage of it being wide open because Halliburton's out and Tatum's out, well, why can't you say, well, they belong here and they are better, and they made the coaching change, obviously, for a reason. And for the most part, it looks like it has worked. When healthy, this looks like a better team than last year.

Alan Hahn (11:49)

Mm. Yeah. The other I, I, I find that, you know, it's what you said, though, Don. It's amazing, but it's really true. It's almost like we're giving more credit to other teams and their situations than you are acknowledging what the Knicks have become. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, it's very strange. Like it, but it's, I guess it's our, it's that built in. We're just so used to them not being good enough. And those 11 games, 11 games. It's all. They were scared the hell out of people. And that's it. They have, like, they have the fifth best record in the NBA, the entire league. They have the, Let me see. They have the third best offense. They're almost top 10 in defense now they're 11th. You know, they're doing a lot of things that great teams do, and yet we're looking at, oh, my God. Cleveland got James Harden. James Harden hasn't gotten. What has he done in the playoffs? We know what he does in the playoffs. And then it's Mobley and Jared Allen. We also know what they do in the playoffs. You're looking at that roster and thinking, that's scary. They've got guys who, when they get in the playoffs, that's their kryptonite. So how are you giving them more credit as a threat than you would say the Knicks are a threat? In the east, there are teams that are looking at the. I'm telling you this, and if you don't believe me because I'm biased and all that stuff, fine. Listen to Brian Windhorst. There are people in the east that are looking at the Knicks like, you got to watch out for them, because when they click, they're dangerous. Like, they're really hard to cover. When they click, they are the dangerous team. Boston doesn't have Tatum. It's highly unlikely they will if he does come back, I'd hate to see it because it's really hard to come back from the Achilles next year. Yes, but look at their roster. They don't have that same team. There's no Porzingis, there's no Horford, there's no Jrue Holiday. They don't have the same team they had. So when Tatum comes back, they still have to fill a lot of issues. Detroit is very good and you got to respect them. But outside of that, I don't understand why there's so much of this, like, fear of the Knicks failing when this year they have told you more times than not that they actually are that team. That should put fear in other teams.

Rosenberg (14:23)

And it's interesting how the narrative changes this time last year. Honestly, Peter, you follow the game. Where did you have the Indiana Pacers on your going to the.

Don Hahn (14:36)

I thought they'd go seven games with

Rosenberg (14:37)

the Thunder in the finals and all of a sudden they're out with Halliburtt, like as if they were just automatically just gonna go back and be dominant again. I'm not trying to take anything away from their run. And I think Pacers are a bad matchup for the Knicks. We know that. But Halliburton coming back does not automatically put them in the conversation to win a championship just because of what they did last year. Now, you could say the same for the Knicks, but then I think the Knicks are proving to you this year that last year was no fluke. So let, let, let's, let's, let's just see how it plays itself out. The other thing that Stephen A. Smith said, he said this yesterday. We didn't get a chance to get to it because we knew today was gonna be a big Nick day with not a lot going on in the Knicks starting their game against the Pistons tonight at the Garden, which will be heard right here on ESPN. New York beginning our coverage at 7 o'. Clock. Stephen A. Smith thinks they got to win tonight.

Stephen A. Smith (clip) (15:29)

You cannot lose this game. If you lose this game at the Garden, even though it's the regular season at the Garden without Duran and Stewart, I'm going to lose all hope. I'm going to lose all hope against Detroit. If you can't beat the Detroit Pistons, if you're the New York Knicks fresh off of two ass whippings this year against them and you go up against them and you cannot beat Detroit without Duran and Stewart, without your front line, there's no reason for me to believe they could beat Detroit come postseason.

Rosenberg (15:56)

I. I do think I need to see what it looks like, you know, if you get blown out by 20 points. I. I think I'm with Stephen.

Alan Hahn (16:02)

Yeah. They're minus 59 in two games, so. Yeah, 20.

Don Hahn (16:07)

And OG plays. Because last time, OG didn't play.

Rosenberg (16:09)

Yeah. If OG doesn't play and they lose it by a bucket, I'm not killing. Right, right.

Don Hahn (16:13)

But if OG plays and they lose by 30, I think it's Houston. We do have a problem here.

Alan Hahn (16:18)

Now, I love this man. I'm going to see him tomorrow. Did that man say, I'm going to lose all hope?

Rosenberg (16:26)

All hope.

Alan Hahn (16:27)

All right, save that.

Rosenberg (16:28)

Yeah. Stop it.

Alan Hahn (16:30)

Seriously. Bookmark, that is.

Don Hahn (16:31)

What were you saying last year?

Alan Hahn (16:32)

I'm going to lose all hope. All hope. Save that. Save that. But last year, what was their record against Boston, Cleveland, and there was one other. And Oklahoma City last year?

Rosenberg (16:45)

Oh, killed. Except with the one game against Oklahoma City. Right. But other games.

Alan Hahn (16:50)

I'll tell you. What was their record, though?

Rosenberg (16:51)

They didn't game. Right.

Alan Hahn (16:53)

They didn't beat any. Yeah, they didn't beat any of them. All right. And then they faced the Celtics, and then the first two games in Boston. What'd they do, flip the series? You can't lose all hope. Now, I know what he's saying. What he's saying is that he'd be very worried because you need to see a response. And that's what Mike Brown said. Mike Brown said the same thing. We need to show something here. Like, we can't just keep taking these losses and think it's no big deal. There is a mental aspect of this that you gotta. You gotta do, and you want to set a tone. You want to tell the rest of the league on the other side of the All Star break, we're here. Right. Like, you want to do that. So that's. We've all been waiting for this Knicks team to throw a punch. They just rarely do. But last week, they went into Boston and they threw a punch. Super Bowl Sunday. Right. Like, we can't not, like, overlook that. They went into Philly and they played a Sixers team that has given them fits this year and is kind of trying to, like, act like, hey, we're on. We're on the rise. We're coming. We got a backcourt you can't guard. And they threw a punch. They were up by 30. It was. Let's go, Knicks. Chance in that building in Philly. So let's see more of that and this is another opportunity to do that because I think what we're learning and what Stephen A. Said is that as good as the Knicks have been this season, people still don't believe in them. And if you need some type of chip on your shoulder, some type of motivation and you wearing that jersey, that's your motivation. As good as you are, people don't believe in you yet.

Rosenberg (18:28)

No, they don't. Now the question is, do the Knicks believe in themselves? Do the fans believe in themselves? Does the New York media believe in the Knicks? I mean, that's a question, right? I mean, Stephen A. Is a Knick fan, but I don't know if he represents how Nick fans feel. I've always felt Nick fans always skew positive, but that's why we take your call. So 1-800-919-3776 and how you feel about this team and do you think it's a litmus test? Do you think it's a measuring stick game? Do you think it's a must win? All the things that get thrown out, It's a sexy game and it's a great, you know, the NBA, I don't know how much they planned ahead, but to have these two teams play each other right out of the break, I think, oh yeah, was a phenomenal idea. Get everybody going. You know, you're going up against Olympic coverage and you know, people are still maybe in that all Star break. Bang, right out of the box. Big game, fun game at the Garden. Pistons, Knicks, Javier and Queen John, espn New York. You'd have started on Don on the Rosenberg.

Caller (19:25)

Hey, what's going on fellas? Thanks for taking my call. Happy to be lead off to you guys today. So in regards, you know, tonight's game and also just the week coming up as a litmus test, personally I view it less of a litmus test for the actual team and the players. I think it's a bigger litmus test for Mike Brown. Right? We know what this roster can do. They've already proven that they can go far into the playoffs. They've already proven that they can beat Cleveland, they can beat Boston, they can beat Philly. Not only that, but in the playoffs, Knicks fans travel better than may any other franchise. You know, I mean, like the Knicks have so much going on for them that I feel good about it. I just think that the home stretches is more about Mike Brown either pushing them to make sure that there are at least a second seed and secure home court through the first two rounds, or if he's going to like, you know, play it safe and, and sit a lot of guys and just make sure everyone's very healthy for the playoffs. And tonight's game is not a must win. No one should listen to Stephen A. Smith. I don't know why anyone ever does because.

Alan Hahn (20:24)

Well, I think he did.

Peter (20:27)

I think he just tried to, like, light a fire.

Alan Hahn (20:29)

Yeah, he's. And I think what, like I said what he said just, just to. Just to defend Stephen A. What he's saying is, to me, it's, it's. It's emphasizing the point that as much as this team has done this year, there's not enough trust in them yet. And I think that's what he's. The point he's making now. He's saying it in his, of course, demonstrative way that gets your attention, but that's what he's saying is we don't trust you yet as a true contender and you need to start showing it. That's why he said what he said. In my opinion, I get that.

Caller (21:04)

Like, I get where it's hard to people to actually say the Knicks have a shot of winning a championship because most of us have not seen them do it in our lifetime. But, like, for me, this week, I think the bigger game is Saturday, which I'm going to. And I'm super excited for, like, the Rockets are legit.

Alan Hahn (21:21)

They're ready to go.

Caller (21:22)

Like, I'm even more excited to see that game, but I want to see how Mike Brown carries this team the next couple of weeks. I think that's going to tell us what kind of coach he's going to be in the playoffs. But as for, like, the players, you know, that they can wake up on the first day of the playoffs and they can do it. Like, they have proven that the last two to three seasons. Brunson has been a great leader and the fans have been amazing that, you know, the Knicks have gone further every single year. So there's no reason to feel down about this team, but there's also no reason to feel like tonight is a must win. I think that that's absurd.

Rosenberg (21:55)

Yeah, I mean, listen, we like to hobby. We like to build this up because it's a big game. So the bigger you build it up, the more fun it's going to be, the more eyeballs watch it. But I think everybody can look at it and say, all right, it's a regular season game and the Pistons are shorthanded. The Knicks might be shorthanded, too. It's not as bad as it was. The Last time these two teams met each other. But it should be fun. But I don't think anything is going to be declared on February 19th about what's gonna happen, you know, four months from now.

Alan Hahn (22:24)

No, you just have the right last

Rosenberg (22:25)

year prove that you just have the

Don Hahn (22:26)

right to be nervous about it.

Rosenberg (22:27)

Yeah, a little bit. And it'll be our open tomorrow for sure as we get ready for the weekend and what the Knicks are gonna do in this first game of the Gauntlet.

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Rosenberg (23:51)

Hillary Knight with 2:06 left in regulation deflection in front ties the game for Team USA at one with Canada. So we might be headed to another overtime here involving a US team this time in the gold medal game. I gotta tell you, it's hard to watch and be on the air at the same time, but I give Canada credit, they weren't laying back. They were getting a ton of opportunities to try to make it two nothing. But then the USA got a face off in the offensive zone. Pull the goaltender and they just overwhelmed them. So five on five, Canada can play. But once they pulled the goaltender, it was a tie game almost immediately. So we'll see. About a minute to go, tied at 1. So we'll see if we end up going into overtime a second consecutive day. USA takes on Slovakia tomorrow at 310 semifinals. If they win that game, it's off to the gold medal game on Sunday, which will be at 8 o' clock in the morning. 1-800-919-377-6. Number the call. We're talking some Knicks. Something else came out of first take today that really had us having a heated debate during our meeting. And I think it's a fascinating comment by Kendrick Perkins, who's a friend of the show. And, you know, he's a big Nick guy. Big Body Brunson.

Alan Hahn (25:06)

Big Body Brunson.

Rosenberg (25:08)

And he says he's not scared of the Pistons. And he also already believes something very interesting.

Guest (Kendrick Perkins clip) (25:15)

You know who's not scared of the Detroit Pistons? It's a guy by the name of Big Body Bronson. He don't give a damn about him. And that's the reason that I have confidence in the New York Knicks, because I got confidence in Jalen Bronson and what he has displayed to us over the last two seasons, especially in the postseason, especially when you talk about being clutch. Winning clutch player year last season. Do you realize Jalen Bronson is already a top three greatest Knicks player? Top three greatest Knicks of all time. Absolutely. But guess what? He's only a championship away from being the greatest Knick of all time.

Rosenberg (25:56)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (25:57)

Okay.

Rosenberg (25:57)

Wow.

Alan Hahn (25:58)

Love you. Perk 1 Lost you 1 Understand that Clyde the man is still with us. And Willis, God rest his soul, they had two like, I, I hate this because they make me.

Don Hahn (26:16)

No, it's tough.

Alan Hahn (26:17)

Have to argue about people I care about.

Rosenberg (26:19)

Right.

Alan Hahn (26:19)

Love you think I care about Mellow. I love Patrick. I love Clyde. Right. Brunson has been like a revelation. He's changed everything for us in our business. Right. You can't make these kind of statements. Now, I agree with him that Jalen Brunson walks into Detroit and he's not shaking. Right? Like, this is not.

Rosenberg (26:40)

He had me until the top three.

Alan Hahn (26:42)

Yeah. Once he said top three, it's like, all right, we can. We can kick that around. Because I think if you go Clyde Willis, he could make. You can make the argument that Jalen could move to three because of the ring, right?

Rosenberg (26:58)

Yes.

Alan Hahn (26:59)

And his impact on winning. That's. You gotta admit, like, that as much as you love Patrick in the 15 years he put in here, the ring's the thing that could have him leapfrog. Jalen Brunson's already a Hall of Famer, Basketball hall of Famer. He's already. That's locked. When he retires, he'll be in the hall of Fame. Look at his college career, because you add that to the resume he's in. But when it comes to all time Knicks, think about what since he got here, what the Knicks have become. It's the other part of it that I don't understand. When there's a lot of this fear mongering when it comes to Knicks stuff is I just don't understand are we. Do we not recognize what this guy does in certain. Like what he have in the playoffs? In the playoffs, which would you guys agree is the time that matters most.

Rosenberg (27:44)

Oh, yeah. That's where legends are born. In the postseason.

Alan Hahn (27:47)

He averages 30 points a game. 30. So he takes his game to another level. They have done a ton of winning in a short amount of time since he's been here. And so all those things have to come together now. Carmelo Anthony had a really good run here as a Knick. The ending, though, the last couple of years did tarnish the image that I believe he had as a Knick. But he's beloved. Everybody that sees him at the Garden, they love. For Brunson, there's obviously going to be more years here. You expect him to retire here and in the end you have to think that he's going to be on the list. No, he'll be on the short list of all time greats. But put the ring on. Yeah, I could see three. I could see it.

Rosenberg (28:33)

Yeah. I think if you wanted to say he's on his way to being a top three, Nick, he's banging on the door, all those things. But the question that I ask is if, if for summer, outside of winning a champion. All right, the Knicks have a great season and they lose in the final to the Thunder in four games, five games, six, Whatever.

Alan Hahn (28:51)

Yep.

Rosenberg (28:52)

And then Brunson, for whatever reason decides, you know what? I'm gonna retire. I'm done. Is he getting. Is he's getting his number retired? His number? 11. In the rafters at Madison Square guard.

Alan Hahn (29:01)

So no ring?

Rosenberg (29:02)

No ring.

Alan Hahn (29:02)

Does he get to the finals?

Don Hahn (29:04)

How much longer does he play?

Rosenberg (29:04)

Gets to the finals?

Alan Hahn (29:05)

He does get to a final and

Rosenberg (29:07)

just decides to retire this year.

Alan Hahn (29:09)

Give me how many years? So this year?

Rosenberg (29:11)

Yeah, I'm just saying right now at

Alan Hahn (29:14)

the age of 29.

Rosenberg (29:16)

But my point is, is that if you say no because there's still more work to be done, then he can't be any higher than eighth because there are seven retired numbers already and they Are contemplating a conversation about retiring Mellow's number. So you can't say he's three yet. Now go out and win the championship this year, have a conversation, play the next three, four years and the Knicks win a championship. Or even if they don't. But he's plays great and he's still averaging 30 points a game in the postseason. He can get there. You can't just say now that only Ewing and Frazier are better.

Alan Hahn (29:50)

Well, you can say it.

Rosenberg (29:51)

I mean, you could say anything. But I don't think. But I. There's no. So he's better than debusscher, he's better than Monroe.

Alan Hahn (29:59)

Well, you're saying a better Nick then.

Rosenberg (30:01)

Oh, because those are the retired numbers. So obviously the numbers retired for the body work they did here in New York.

Alan Hahn (30:06)

Right.

Rosenberg (30:07)

So there are seven retired numbers.

Don Hahn (30:08)

Yeah, but Alan, he is better than debusscher and Monroe. No. Or am I? Is that crazy?

Rosenberg (30:15)

Maybe he's an overall basketball player based on what he did before he got

Don Hahn (30:17)

here, but doesn't have enough to. No.

Rosenberg (30:18)

Is he a better Nick?

Alan Hahn (30:19)

There's not enough. There's not. Yeah. Earl Monroe came as. He was a star in the league, but really, people Forget that beyond 73, what he was as a vet as they went through a terrible and very awkward transition into the late 70s. You got. He was one of the last guys left that was trying to keep the standard going. There is a tremendous amount of respect that Earl Monroe deserves because of the time you put in when.

Don Hahn (30:48)

Well, it's a long run. It's longer than It's.

Rosenberg (30:50)

It's.

Don Hahn (30:50)

It's like it's.

Alan Hahn (30:51)

I do think time serve does matter when it comes to this.

Don Hahn (30:54)

Well, it's, it's. Yeah, it's eight, nine years. You know, a few, few years that were shortened.

Alan Hahn (31:01)

Right.

Rosenberg (31:02)

But not.

Don Hahn (31:03)

It's a long run.

Alan Hahn (31:03)

Yeah. And I think that Matt, again, Patrick's 15 years can't be overlooked, but it's a long time. Like he's, he's just. He established himself as somebody who was, you know, like, born and raised.

Rosenberg (31:16)

And the other thing that. Listen, we're a long way from this happening, but believe it or not, this is year 53 without a title.

Alan Hahn (31:26)

Yeah.

Rosenberg (31:28)

So the Rangers run was 54 years. So we're almost even now. And there was another number, 11 that came here much deeper into his career, already on a Hall of Fame trajectory, more decorated, had won championships, you know, actually five of them. When he came here in Mark Messier and he talked about slaying a dragon and now he lives forever, you know, going on 32 years later.

Alan Hahn (31:51)

Yeah.

Rosenberg (31:52)

Brunson, if he wins the title, is gonna do the same thing. And it's ironic. He wears the same number.

Alan Hahn (31:56)

I know.

Rosenberg (31:56)

And, you know, captain. And it is kind of. And then that'll put it right up there. Because if you're gonna give Messier the credit for slaying the dragon, this dragon is just as big.

Alan Hahn (32:05)

Yes.

Rosenberg (32:06)

You know, spitting as much fire as the one did on the hockey side of things. So that's how long it's been, man.

Alan Hahn (32:12)

Yep.

Rosenberg (32:13)

And that's how long it's been since the last time the Rangers won. But, like, think about that 54 years when the Rangers won in 94.

Alan Hahn (32:18)

All you have to do is say this, Don. In 1994, when you said 1940, you were like, my God. My God, they were barely driving cars back then, right?

Rosenberg (32:26)

Different. Well, we were at war.

Alan Hahn (32:27)

Yeah. Well, now, because we were young, we were in our 20s. So think about somebody in their 20s now going 73. Like.

Rosenberg (32:37)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (32:37)

Forget there wasn't an Internet. Like, there wasn't. It wasn't even. It was barely color TV.

Rosenberg (32:43)

If the Knicks don't win the title this year, 73. 40 is the new 73. Like, like, like, that's that. Think about that. 1940 and 73 would be together as far as the distance between the championship.

Alan Hahn (32:56)

Yeah.

Rosenberg (32:57)

It's crazy. And even though Peter wasn't alive in 73, I was 5. And how old were you?

Alan Hahn (33:04)

I was. I was not yet 2.

Rosenberg (33:07)

But 73 doesn't feel like that. Crazy. Long time ago compared to way it felt in 94 when we said 1940.

Alan Hahn (33:16)

Oh, my God, 1940. Like, think about it. Wasn't that pre. At that pre war.

Rosenberg (33:23)

They were just. Yeah.

Alan Hahn (33:23)

Because.

Rosenberg (33:24)

Yeah. The Germans bombed Pearl harbor in 1941.

Don Hahn (33:28)

Yeah, the Germans. Oh, sorry.

Alan Hahn (33:30)

You know, he's wrong.

Don Hahn (33:32)

I'm sorry.

Rosenberg (33:33)

I don't want to give. I don't want to give away my. That guy. We're going to save that for 430.

Don Hahn (33:39)

But it's me.

Rosenberg (33:39)

But, you know. No. Well, no. Yes and no. Oh, it's not only you. I throw you in the group of the people that I'm going to tear up because you still don't know what hell I'm talking about.

Alan Hahn (33:49)

I like this.

Rosenberg (33:52)

Stay tuned. That guy. Thursday, 4:30. At 430, less than an hour away.

Alan Hahn (33:56)

Oh, my goodness.

Rosenberg (33:57)

You and me.

Alan Hahn (33:57)

I can't wait now.

Rosenberg (33:58)

But I think overall, we love what Perk said. I don't think there's anybody as scared of the Detroit Pistols. All right.

Don Hahn (34:05)

Well, I mean the only one thing I did say though, it was not as good. It was just funny though, like. Because when he drops the Big Body Brunson, it sounds like almost he's doing an impression of himself.

Rosenberg (34:15)

Yeah, I know, right?

Don Hahn (34:15)

We are the beginning of it. You have the club over there.

Rosenberg (34:17)

I've got it right here, buddy.

Don Hahn (34:18)

The beginning.

Guest (Kendrick Perkins clip) (34:19)

Who's not scared of the Detroit Pistons? It's a guy by the name of Big Body Bronson.

Rosenberg (34:23)

Big Body Bronson. Now, now.

Don Hahn (34:26)

But here's the thing.

Alan Hahn (34:27)

Like Charles Bronson.

Rosenberg (34:28)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (34:29)

But I will tell you this. It's also just funny to hear it because like I. Yeah. I don't know if Brunson was scared in the last game. Maybe he wasn't scared. They still lost by a thousand points.

Alan Hahn (34:38)

Oh, no. He. And they beat him up. He had no chance.

Don Hahn (34:42)

It was over in the first quarter.

Alan Hahn (34:44)

So no, no, I'm like, this is again Jamie Bickerstaff. He maniacal about that shot. They'll never forget that team. That shot he hit in game six. Little crossover dagger. That shot is one that I think like, he's like, you know what? I don't care if Cat has 100 points. Brunson is not beating us like they. That's the part that I think if there is a series that Jalen Brunson has to almost concede, I'm the decoy, someone else.

Don Hahn (35:17)

Well, if we're looking at that moment and we're talking about how Brunson handled the playoffs, I think you could, you could remove the Pistons part of it and say that Big Body Brunson ain't afraid of anybody.

Alan Hahn (35:28)

No, he's big.

Don Hahn (35:29)

That's Big shot Brunson.

Alan Hahn (35:30)

We've seen him walk into places and do like it's nothing.

Don Hahn (35:33)

No, he doesn't. That he doesn't feel things like that.

Alan Hahn (35:35)

Yeah. So fun though, man.

Don Hahn (35:39)

But I.

Alan Hahn (35:40)

The time of year we've been waiting for boys like, they like, that's the one thing that I think was bothering me with a lot of the fear mongering. I kept hearing you got to watch out, look out for this. You know, if that. If you don't do this, I'm walking away. I'm giving up all that stuff. If you don't win this year, they're not going to win for another 25 years. Like all that stuff to me is like, what are we doing? Like, it's. There's 27 games to go. We're going to. The first 10 are going to be the hardest after that. They're trying. They're as close to healthy as they can be. They just added two dogs off the bench. And this is the best time, man. Like, we glorify the 90s because it was such a great time. The 93 wars, the war with the bulls, the 94 run to the finals, like, 97, 98, 99 run. Like, there's so much of what we loved about that team. Do you realize that that's literally what this group's been doing? Yeah, it's the same stuff. That team got. Okay, they got to two finals, but it took them 10 years to do it. But in the meantime, they were getting to second rounds and third rounds. And, you know, there were heartbreaks, but there were also moments you remember, and we look back on that now as if those were the glory years of our generation, because none of us were old enough to have seen what actually was championship years. So everyone, rather than start, like, biting your fingernails about, oh, my God, they could lose in the first round, which somebody said that to me today, I was like, sure. I was like, have a drink, walk away. Like, it's too early for that kind of talk. But just think about it. This is the fun part right now. Team in its prime, loaded and one of the best. Like I said, fifth best record in the league. One of the best in the league. They have a chance. And a couple years ago you couldn't say that. So enjoy.

Rosenberg (37:22)

This is very similar to the conversation from yesterday about the Yankees. Right? Even though the Knicks aren't the Yankees for this year, they kind of are in the sense, oh, it's finals or bust. You know, you'll get to the finals. It's an embarrassment. You're supposed to cruise there. And that's like, the pressure that, like, Yankee fans feel every year. Like, either win a championship, you know, second place is first loser, all that stuff. That's kind of what it became here. And that's why, you know, people like Stephen A. Smith, if you don't win now, you won't win for another 25 years. Like, you're putting all your eggs in this basket and now the pressure is on to do it. But please don't miss the ride. And Hank, we had Monica McNutt yesterday, our weekly spot on Wednesdays at 4:00'. Clock. She said she'd take five and five over these next 10. Well, what if they lose tonight and win the next nine? And they go nine and one during the gauntlet, but the one loss was to Detroit, so they're not going. I'm out.

Alan Hahn (38:16)

He's out.

Rosenberg (38:16)

Come on, man, just have fun with it. Save it and then we'll analyze it in in due time. Tomorrow at 3 o'. Clock.

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Don Hahn (39:32)

You know what?

Alan Hahn (39:33)

This is what you want. Anything can happen. Donnie.

Peter (39:36)

I think I know what Peter says and I agree.

Alan Hahn (39:38)

I think we got to hang on.

Don Hahn (39:39)

It's disrespect. It's disrespect.

Rosenberg (39:42)

It's disrespect.

Don Hahn (39:43)

Yeah. It just feels like this game being on right now, the gold medal game between Canada, the U.S. is Thursday. This whole thing wraps up on Sunday. It's three. It's a little, little rough.

Alan Hahn (39:52)

It is. We're in it. So let's get one.

Peter (39:54)

I was going to say I'm not a fan of the three on three.

Don Hahn (39:56)

Yeah, well, no, I love the three out there. Not as much as Colin Coward for

Peter (40:00)

a gold medal game though.

Alan Hahn (40:01)

We're.

Rosenberg (40:01)

We're here.

Don Hahn (40:02)

Oh, oh, oh. For the, for the gold.

Peter (40:04)

I want the five on five. Let's get to seven overtime. Let's, let's keep this going.

Rosenberg (40:08)

No, you know what?

Don Hahn (40:09)

That's a, that's a great point. It feels like the. And Alan, your timing is definitely off from us, so please don't ruin the game. It does feel like once you get to the gold medal game, it should be 5 on 5 and OT. And what I was referring to about Colin Cowherd.

Rosenberg (40:24)

It was Cowherd, right? No, sorry.

Don Hahn (40:26)

I Confused. Yo, Yos.

Alan Hahn (40:28)

Oh, no, no.

Rosenberg (40:30)

Bayless.

Don Hahn (40:30)

Bayless was watching the game yesterday and commented, three on three, Hockey is so exhilarating.

Rosenberg (40:36)

More.

Don Hahn (40:37)

More open shots on net, Clean shots on net, more fast pace, blah, blah, blah. This is the way you should do it. I hope you're paying attention.

Rosenberg (40:45)

NHL now, now. I tweeted something out.

Don Hahn (40:49)

Who's telling him?

Alan Hahn (40:50)

Nobody tell him. Nobody tell him because he doesn't know.

Rosenberg (40:53)

Listen, I'm no fan of Skip. You know that, but I kind of just tweeted out because awful announcing did a thing on it. Although if you look at his tweet, I mean, he doesn't. He never mentions overtime, so he could be suggesting, hey, why not just play three on three all the time? I don't know. But all I tweeted out was this. Tell me if. If I'm wrong.

Alan Hahn (41:13)

All right?

Rosenberg (41:14)

Since you were talking about Skip. And again, I am not a fan of Skip. I think he says some deplorable things, is, you know, going after Dak about the mental illness. I don't like Skip. Bayless, not a fan. But when I saw the awful announcing story, I'm like, it's just so interesting to me. And I'm just trying to punch up my tweet here. So basically I'll just paraphrase where I just said punch it up. It's just interesting. As a hockey fan, you complain when mainstream media never comments on the sport, and then when they comment on the sport, you rip them for having an opinion.

Alan Hahn (41:48)

Great point. You know, Very good point.

Rosenberg (41:49)

And then everybody's like, waller, his opinion was stupid, and I understand that. But he's. He's somebody that's in the mainstream media watching a hockey game. All right? He doesn't know that.

Don Hahn (41:59)

That's part of the problem. Right.

Rosenberg (42:00)

He's somebody who doesn't follow regular season hockey to know that they play three on three. Or maybe he was trying to suggest that they should play three on three all the time. Whatever it is, criticize his point as a legitimate point, as if he was making a ridiculous point about football or basketball or whatever. But, like, you can't have it both ways. I mean, when the mainstream jumps in, they're not going to get everything right, so just enjoy it.

Alan Hahn (42:22)

Right.

Rosenberg (42:22)

So he was paying attention. Yeah.

Alan Hahn (42:24)

It's almost like somebody. And I'm sorry, Peter, somebody that is not a typical member of the mainstream media that pays attention to your sport, but they start chiming in about it and they say something that, you know, is kind of like, all right, you don't get it. Or he doesn't know. Like, rather than just rip them because that, you know what that does that makes it all right. Well, I'm not talking about this anymore because these people get crazy. Instead, it's like, no, no, no. This is really how it works. And then you can draw them in more.

Stephen A. Smith (clip) (42:51)

Instead, you just take off.

Don Hahn (42:53)

Let me.

Alan Hahn (42:53)

Let me just stick to football.

Don Hahn (42:55)

Let me defend. Let me defend the. The. The aggro hockey fan here. This isn't like. This is a loudmouth, annoying guy. And his point wasn't just that he weighed in and said, had. He said, wow, three on three hockey, this is cool. Never saw this before. I think you can live with that. But when you say, I hope you're paying attention to a league that's already doing it right, you're now, you're now trying to act like you have something. Just shut up and say you enjoyed it. Fell on his face.

Rosenberg (43:31)

My tweet was, I always find it interesting that we hockey fans want mainstream coverage. Then someone from the mainstream comments on hockey and we kill them for not knowing anything. Then we wonder why they don't talk about our sport.

Alan Hahn (43:42)

Yeah.

Rosenberg (43:43)

And you're right.

Don Hahn (43:43)

But in this case, he went to. He could have just said if they were killing him because he went, wow, I've never seen this before.

Rosenberg (43:48)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (43:49)

And people were going, you idiot. You've never seen it before. Then I would say, all right, calm down. But the fact that he tried to say, let me preach to the NHL about something they're already doing, that's when you deserve to get killed. And it's Skip Bayless. It's not like, let's be honest, it's someone who's always attempting to do something, to do something slightly. Yo, yo.

Rosenberg (44:08)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (44:08)

If not completely control.

Rosenberg (44:09)

I'm trying to find, by the way,

Alan Hahn (44:11)

this overtime is insane.

Don Hahn (44:14)

No, it's just back and forth.

Alan Hahn (44:15)

Oh, my God.

Rosenberg (44:17)

His tweet. We win in overtime. USA beat Sweden in Olympic hockey. You know, three on three is much more fun to watch. More open ice, more one on one, shots on goal, less lucky bounce high traffic goals in front of the net. Listening NHL. I mean, he could be saying, why don't we play three on three all the time?

Alan Hahn (44:36)

Yeah.

Rosenberg (44:36)

He never says three on three in overtime. He says, we win in overtime.

Don Hahn (44:40)

But don't.

Rosenberg (44:40)

You know, do I think he meant I again? I know, but you can't. If I tweeted that, think about that.

Alan Hahn (44:48)

Yeah.

Rosenberg (44:48)

Would I get jumped for not knowing? Or would they say, oh, interesting. Three on three all the time. Because they'd say, you're a hockey fan. Don wouldn't make that mistake. Correct.

Don Hahn (44:56)

But he's not a hockey fan, so.

Rosenberg (44:57)

I know, but I'm just saying, not everybody. Alan, Alan, Alan, Alan.

Peter (45:03)

It's like he didn't listen.

Rosenberg (45:04)

Yeah, he didn't listen.

Alan Hahn (45:06)

Dude, you got this. Golf is insane.

Don Hahn (45:08)

No, no, no. That is that I.

Rosenberg (45:10)

You know what?

Don Hahn (45:10)

The fact that Alan turned into like a, you know, he was like.

Alan Hahn (45:15)

I wanted to get your attention.

Don Hahn (45:17)

That was Daniel Cormier during a UFC fight. He couldn't contain it. But I get it. That was psychosis.

Rosenberg (45:24)

The U.

Don Hahn (45:24)

S just won on an insane one on one. Nutmeg. That was what we're waiting for the replay.

Alan Hahn (45:31)

Oh, and you know what's funny is that the previous shot, Hillary had a shot on a previous rush. And the. And the goal, I don't know, the Canadian goalie gloves it and then stares her down.

Peter (45:42)

Debian.

Alan Hahn (45:43)

It was such a cool like moment because it was like big glove save and just glared at her. I loved it.

Rosenberg (45:49)

I got to say, that goal was sick.

Alan Hahn (45:51)

I filthy.

Rosenberg (45:54)

It is in the conversation. This is. This is in the moment. And I'm totally understanding you saying that, you know. Oh, Don, you're in. You're in the moment when saying this. This has got to be one of the greatest goals in a big moment. Just the quality of the goal.

Don Hahn (46:08)

And for the record.

Rosenberg (46:09)

For the record, that was filthy. And for the record, they have not shown it yet.

Don Hahn (46:12)

And I know you're showing these moments.

Alan Hahn (46:13)

Well, it's celebration.

Don Hahn (46:14)

No, but these moments are going to continue. You got to give us one. That was one of the craziest plays I've ever seen.

Rosenberg (46:20)

This is one on one, for God's sake. Just a filthy move to win in overtime. You think of all the great overtime goals in the history of the NHL and the Olympics. This would have to be up there as one of the great individual efforts and the biggest moment of that sport.

Alan Hahn (46:36)

And this over. I'm telling you, this overtime had scoring chances just like that.

Rosenberg (46:41)

Both ends, you know, three on three. Are you paying attention, NHL?

Peter (46:46)

It's got to be in the 150,

Alan Hahn (46:48)

Allen, by the way, by the way, did you notice that either team ever bring it back out of the zone and reset and slow it down.

Rosenberg (46:56)

Was there a whistle?

Alan Hahn (46:57)

Was this fast break?

Rosenberg (46:59)

Hockey was awesome. There was a few whistle because again, I'm trying to do a show. There was a couple of time. It was hard, but it was good back and forth, wide open hockey. And we're still waiting for the replay.

Don Hahn (47:08)

Now will you admit it's gone too long?

Alan Hahn (47:10)

No, no, no, I'm with you. Yeah. Now it's time.

Don Hahn (47:12)

Because we know they're going to be crying and hugging for a while. Show the goal.

Alan Hahn (47:16)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (47:16)

We're talking about an insane replay coming. You're ahead of us. So now we'll get it in two days.

Peter (47:21)

We'll get the replay.

Alan Hahn (47:22)

All right.

Don Hahn (47:22)

Now we're off to replay land.

Alan Hahn (47:24)

I just. Oh, that's so gross. Oh, my God.

Rosenberg (47:29)

That is just. And I. You can't say it was poorly defended. It's just a great effort, man. Sick move, like, right through.

Alan Hahn (47:37)

She gave all she could. And you know, she got burnt. She dove. Like that's.

Don Hahn (47:41)

And it's desperation and it's such a tough bounce for the goaltender who basically had her pad on it. It just. It just still went under. Oh, man.

Alan Hahn (47:51)

Unreal.

Peter (47:52)

Actually didn't go under the pad. She lifted it over the pad. It went between the arm and the pad.

Rosenberg (47:58)

Yeah. So Megan Keller is the goal scorer. Take a look at it.

Peter (48:02)

She had a great Olympics, too.

Rosenberg (48:03)

One of the great individual efforts to win the gold medal or win an overtime game in hockey that I have ever seen. And I don't think that's hyperbole. If you see it and you. And unfortunately, because of the Olympics, you're not going to be able to see it on social media.

Alan Hahn (48:18)

By the way, US Coaches ties. I love the tie. You got to get that tie, but

Rosenberg (48:22)

see if you can find it. Get to NBC at some point right now, because NBC did go to the coverage of overtime. So Hillary Knight tied it with 204 to go on regulation. They were down one nothing for almost like the entire game. The USA. And then they went in overtime and they win the gold medal in unbelievable fashion. This was a team that they had beaten five nothing earlier in the tournament. So give Canada credit. They gave all they could and they will win the silver medal. But the USA takes home the gold on one of the great individual efforts of all time.

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