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Peter Vecsey
one day you're not gonna play football anymore. And if there's a God up above, it'll be soon.
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Alan Hahn
Han Huge. No, but big. Yeah.
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Don La Greca
And Rosenberg, I didn't listen to anything you just said. This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.
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Podcast Producer/Announcer
This is Don Han and Rosenberg.
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Caller or Listener
The best threesome I've ever heard on
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Podcast Producer/Announcer
ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.
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Don La Greca
That is right. It is 3 o' clock on the dot in the big city. I am in the not quite as big city of Orlando, Florida at the WWE Performance Center. We have Donald Marco Legreca in Detroit, or Detroit as he loves to call it. And of course we have Alan Hahn who is at where are you? Allen Mattison, Garden.
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Alan Hahn
Back at the Garden is where I live. That's right.
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Don La Greca
Back at his garden I just took
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Alan Hahn
a nap, woke up and here I am again back at his home away
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Don La Greca
from home at msg. A lot to talk about today. And I guess guys, it would, we'd be remiss to not start with what happened at msg where you're 52 and 28. New York Knickerbockers gearing up for the playoffs. Just two games remaining. Get a really, really nice win over my beloved Boston Celtics. 112, 106. Jalen Brown did not play, but Jason Tatum did and played okay. But more importantly, Josh Hart was a man on a mission. Jalen Brunson did Jalen Brunson things. And down the stretch, the New York Knicks looked like a big boy basketball team. Alan Hahn and even though Baylor Shireman was doing his best Steph Curry impression last night, the New York Knicks get a really, really nice win. 112, 106.
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Alan Hahn
Just like I said after Monday's game in Atlanta, I'll say it again, that was a really fun basketball game. Like for a year where we've had some garbage games and blowouts and we know there's teams that aren't even trying to win. You know, there's been some ugly games and that that last Friday, where the. It was eight games and the average deficit was 24 points in the point differential. Like that's a joke. So to have a couple of games now where the atmosphere is great, the competition is great. Last night it was fun. The building was loud, rocking. Yeah. Scheireman put on a show. Pritchard put on a show. A little bit for Boston. Wasn't a great performance from Tatum, but just to see him on the floor. He had a nice ovation out of respect to see him come back. And, you know, in the end, it was the Knicks trying not to show too much. It looked obvious early on they didn't want to show too much of the pick and roll. And then when it came to winning time, it was just, you know, heart making a couple of big shots because he's got to prove that he can make those shots because teams are going to leave them open. He's been working all season on it, and it worked out at the end last night. So it was a fun game. Another way to just kind of get yourself ramped up for the postseason.
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Peter Vecsey
Yeah. Yeah.
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Don La Greca
And get this fan base pumped. Go ahead, Don. Sorry.
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Peter Vecsey
Well, his fourth quarter was amazing. What, 12 points. He had the dagger three to make it six point.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. Actually at 15.
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Peter Vecsey
That was the three 12 going into that last shot.
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Alan Hahn
Right, right, right. Yeah.
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Peter Vecsey
After not being able to hit the broadside of a barn early. And they come back from seven points down in the fourth quarter and they win the game. No, it was a fun game. And listen, it speaks to the NBA now that you're just. You're hunting here in April just to get a quality regular season game against two teams that, let's face it, are going to be competing for the same real estate. It's Boston, it's New York, it's Detroit. Who's going to come out of the East. And it was important for the Knicks to win the game because Brown didn't play. That's why I brought up yesterday. Not 100% sure. You seem to be convinced that it helps. I don't think it does in the sense that I know the Celtics wanted. If you watch that game, you knew they wanted to win the game, so they weren't manlying him by any stretch of the imagination. But you had to win that game because one of their best players isn't playing any.
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Caller or Listener
Yeah.
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Peter Vecsey
So they did what they had to do, which is a good thing. Does it apply to what's going to happen in the postseason? I don't think it does, but I think both things can be true. Nice quality win. You feel good about nail down that three seed. But does that convince me that they're beating the Celtics? No, it doesn't.
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Alan Hahn
It doesn't. Nothing convinces you of anything in the regular season. What it does is show you that these are two teams, that whatever series it's going to be, it's going to be a good series. You know what I mean? Like, this is not. This is not a 6040 series. This is a 51, 49 series. You know what I mean? Like, that's what I like about it is that if they, if they get the opportunity to play each other, whether it's the second round or the conference finals, depending on how everything finishes. Well, actually, no. For the Knicks and the Celtics, it would be so they'd meet in the second round.
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Peter Vecsey
Right.
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Alan Hahn
We know we're going to be treated to what's going to be a great series, and it'll come down to strategies. Who gets hot. All the stuff that you love about a playoff series. This is like the gap between these two teams is no longer as wide as it was arguably two years ago. It's not. They are very closely matched teams that you could tell by the way they were playing against each other. It was a lot of vanilla. But I'm playing hard. Even though I'm not showing you all the different variations, I want to show you in the things I'm going to do. Like, the Celtics wouldn't show what they would do against that pick and roll, and the Knicks wouldn't show the pick and roll that often. Like I was. It was curiously, they kept it in the back pocket for most of the first half. You saw a little bit, but not too much. And then it was later in the game where they went to it once again and it proved to work again with those two guys in the pick your poison. But it still took, you know, like, again, having a guy like Shireman just suddenly just detonate the way he did, just throwing up threes, six for seven. I mean, come on. Like, who saw that? And then Josh Hart going 5 for 5 in the second half. Who saw that? So that's the extra stuff that comes. Comes into play when you get to a playoff round and it's like, who. Who's going to be the Shireman or the Heart on a given night? That is the difference maker in getting a win or a loss in the playoff series. I'm looking. I hope we get there because I'd. I'd love to see it. We don't ever get enough of this New York, Boston stuff anymore in the postseason. So that's why. That's what I felt last night. Two franchises that have a lot of respect for each other and yet also have a healthy amount of, like, I want to beat you, and that's a great thing.
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Don La Greca
I just, I feel like if you're a Knicks fan, what you love about that game is the way they closed out. Because what I found frustrating about the Knicks last year, you know, when I was tinkering with becoming a Knicks fan, was their inability at times to close out a game where if Brunson didn't have it going and you can't rely on, like, let's say it's a night where Brunson's not giving you 14 of the last 16 points and just has the ball in his hand every possession. Do you have other ways and other guys who are knocking down shots? Is Cat hitting a big shot? Is Josh Hart hitting a big shot? To have Josh Hart shoot it that well was just a reminder that on the right night, you have different people who can get the job done for this team when it matters. So it, however you want to grade this win in terms of importance and what it says about what's going to happen in the playoffs, to me, the more you stack up these wins that are especially tight late, where you show that you can pull things together and hold on, these are important qualities to display if you're the real deal. That's why I called it a big boy win. That was just a real deal, quality end of the year victory for the Knicks last night.
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Caller or Listener
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
And it's now two games. Because there was the other argument. Oh, they're not beating teams with a winning record, and that's not a good sign. And last year, if you remember, in the last week of the season, they had a tough schedule of good teams. Boston being one of them, Cleveland being one of them, Detroit being one of them. They didn't win any of them. And there was some concern about, like, going into the playoffs. Boy, they. They can't beat a good team. So I think it's also good for them. And I told you this was more a mental game. Right. This wasn't going to be. You weren't proving anything. Yeah, you win the season series, that's nice. But it's not going to. It doesn't affect the standings in any way. You're more than likely not catching them. You technically, by the way, the two seeds still available. But we all know when you look at who's playing who, that's not going to happen. But I, I'm looking at it more from that mental aspect of walking off the floor and feeling like, no, no, we're right there with this team. Like we can beat these guys. Like we feel confident enough that you can beat them. And Boston can turn around and say, well, yeah, you got three, you know, three out of four against us this year. But in all four games, we didn't have both of our stars. One of them was missing in every game. So they could argue back that well. So that's what makes this fun, is that we really still don't know if we're going to see both teams full health, go head to head. That's what I'm hoping we'll get in
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Peter Vecsey
the second round and then that'll be the ultimate tale. But I, I just think the only sport in which, unless it's week 18 in the NFL, that the regular season does seem to carry over to the postseason is football. You know, baseball, basketball, hockey. Sometimes it's because when are you catching the team? Maybe they're playing their third game in four nights. Maybe they're playing the second of back to backs, especially in the NBA with guys getting rested. So I really don't pay a lot of attention to what happens in the regular season. Nick should look at what happened last year. They beat him in the postseason last year, so they proved they can do it. So did it really matter what happened in the regular season? They proved in the postseason they could do it. Can they do it again? We'll see. But they should believe no matter what the record was in the regular season, that they can beat the Boston Celtics in the postseason because they just did it right.
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Alan Hahn
That's the whole idea.
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Peter Vecsey
Tiger says
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Alan Hahn
I just did it right. But that's. It's. Now it becomes the anticipation of a matchup. I mean, I asked Josh Hart that at the end of the walk off last night, knowing he wouldn't answer it because he knows whatever I say is going to, you know, going to be used against me. But he kind of like said it without saying it. You know, that's a good team. They're well coached, like the respect factor going the other way. And both teams kind of have this anticipation of we're going to meet again. That's. Again, like I said, I'm. Whoever wins, like, I'm into this. We could talk about playoffs and how important it is to get to the finals. And everybody wants to fast forward to June because that's all that matters. Stop the part of a lot of this stuff is looking forward to the. It's like, it's like boxing. You want a good fight, right? Like you want a good fight. I want a good matchup. I want to see two good teams that are matched up well that with a little history between them. It's why we want Spurs Thunder. Because Wemby talks so much. You want to have that. There's just certain things in sports that you want to have that matchup where you feel like this is going to be epic and we'll get, we'll get two weeks, a seven game series, hopefully. And it's just. Every night is just epic basketball or epic, you know, battles and, and strategic battles in one night to another. The, you know, the rise and fall of the emotions. That's what playoffs are all about. You want to live for that stuff.
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Peter Vecsey
You know who's loving this?
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Alan Hahn
Who's loving this?
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Peter Vecsey
The Pistons. Like you just said it, we want a really hard fought seven game series. And the Pistons are like, yeah, kill each other and then we'll take on the winners stumbling in.
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Alan Hahn
Right.
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Peter Vecsey
And they should be able to take care of business because I don't know if they'll have a challenge the way the Knicks and Celtics will have in the second round. Right?
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. I mean, only it's. See Cleveland setting themselves up tonight. So there's no Donovan Mitchell playing tonight. There's no Jared Allen playing tonight. I think Sam Merrill's the other starter not playing tonight. So there's three guys already that are out and they already won the game Wednesday. It's, it's. They're playing the Hawks again. So they're doing a Wednesday, Friday, home and home. And they're kind of telling you we're good with four. They're not trying to chase the Knicks and get three. And so they, they're looking at it as, you know, we're punting this game. We don't care. They want to play the Hawks and if the Hawks win, it helps them. But the Raptors have control of five. But getting to the point you're making though, Cleveland sees staying in the four seed because they want to avoid Boston. They want to play Detroit because they think they can take on Detroit, the less experienced team, rather than face Boston in the second round because what has been Cleveland's problem? What has been Donovan Mitchell's problem? What has been James Harden's problem? Can't get out of second round.
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Peter Vecsey
Can't do it.
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Alan Hahn
So for them, their next step is to get to the conference final. They think they have a better route through Detroit. So that's. And don't. Don't think for a minute Detroit doesn't know this. So that's serious.
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Don La Greca
I don't want to pile on. Listen, I don't want to pile on an upset Detroit or, Or Bart Scott or anybody else, but people can bang. They can have as rough a second round as they want. Saying it right now, whether it's the Knicks or Boston, Detroit ain't going to the finals.
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Peter Vecsey
Wow. Not happening.
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Alan Hahn
Not why I just.
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Don La Greca
I'm not buying it. I am just not buying the experience yet. Like, don't get me wrong, I saw what they did in the regular season. I think when either of these teams gets the chance, I think if the Knicks get another opportunity, another crack, and at a conference final, in spite of everything that happened this year, maybe even because of everything that happened this year, I would like the Knicks in that series. And then obviously, I feel that way about the Celtics, too. Like, I firmly believe this Celtics team, if they make it that far, man, that to me feels like you're right. Mission to get another title.
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Alan Hahn
What you said there, though, about again, it's the whole mind game motivation thing and all that stuff. That's that third round. Like, the air gets thinner in the playoffs the deeper you go. And for the newbies, that's the first thing you learn is first round. You know, when you're a good young team, you're blasting through who it is because you're just all fired up. Where the veteran teams kind of ease their way into first rounds. Second round. Now you're really starting to, like, it's getting real. Conference finals, all of a sudden, it's like, whoa, wait a minute.
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Don La Greca
Where the ball gets a little air, gets a little thin, huh?
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Alan Hahn
You know what I mean? The oxygen just isn't as. You know, you can't take a deep breath. You don't have a minute. It's. There's something about it, and you wonder how teams can handle it. So it's just. It's interesting, but it's something to watch it. That's. Like I said, this is. I'm getting excited because we have a week till we get real basketball. We don't have to deal with who they play tonight, the Wizards, who they play tonight, who's out tonight, who's sitting out. No, no, no. Once we get to next week, nobody's sitting, nobody's resting, and nobody's tanking. This is what we've been waiting for.
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Don La Greca
Now, let's just talk for a moment, though. If we, if we can and we can. I mean about these ticket prices, dude. Oh my God.
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Alan Hahn
I told you. I told you. It's why the Garden is doing. Trying to protect people by. They are not releasing tickets 24 hours before tip off. So you can't pre sell. Like, you can't buy them all up and then sell them right away because people like, oh, I can't give you the ticket until the game day before the game. So I'm not. Why would I buy it now? Right. Because you. There's always been those shady things that happen. So the Garden is trying to do something here to protect that. Now you can't totally protect it, but you're right. The ticket last night, you saw that price last night. Almost twelve hundred dollars to get in the building. And that place.
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Don La Greca
Twelve hundred there was into a game that did not have playoff ramifications in
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Alan Hahn
a real official capacity and there was no room. I can't believe that place was. Was packed all the way to the wall.
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Peter Vecsey
Yeah, well, that just tells you just how sexy the Knicks at the Garden
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Alan Hahn
is because I don't think simple.
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Peter Vecsey
And listen, Knick fans are passionate and they're probably the guys that can't get into the building. But there are people that want to be there that don't. I don't think fully understand. Like they're not there because it's a big game. They're not there because the Knicks might win a chair. They're there because now it's become a place you gotta go. There's a buzz around the team and the people, the well to do people that have that kind of disposable income now want to be there.
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Alan Hahn
Mm.
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Peter Vecsey
So a lot of people in the building doesn't matter that it didn't have playoff ramifications. It's the Celtics, it's the Knicks. There's a buzz around the Knicks. They want to be there for that buzz.
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Caller or Listener
Right.
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Peter Vecsey
And that's kind of a shame for the die hard fans that understand the game and want to be in the building. But that's kind of what the Garden's about, right?
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Alan Hahn
No, that's. That's what the biggest venues are.
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Peter Vecsey
Destination.
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Alan Hahn
The biggest events have become about that. Right. Super bowl and world, you know, all that stuff. Like the biggest events have become that it's not accessible, unfortunately. And it sucks. You know, but that's. I mean, Don, that's been a thing forever. I couldn't like, I couldn't get in the building to watch the Knicks in the finals in 94.
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Peter Vecsey
I went to make sense, but that makes sense.
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Alan Hahn
Out of Charlie O's. Couldn't get any playoff game back then,
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Peter Vecsey
but in, in, back in the day, last night would have been a chance to get in because the game didn't have a lot of meaning.
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Don La Greca
Right.
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Peter Vecsey
Their best player was when the fans get to go into the building.
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Alan Hahn
That's a good point.
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Don La Greca
Like, listen, I get it, it's the Celtics, but still, like, I couldn't even consider.
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Peter Vecsey
I don't expect Peter to get into a finals game. Like, I don't expect to get, you know, the playoffs. I get that because those games have meaning. But I don't think meaning matters. It's just. It's the Garden, it's the Knicks, There's a buzz. So you come into New York, you're like, where do you want to go? What plays hot, right? What restaurant are all the people going to? Got to go to a Nick game. And that's what last night was about to me.
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Don La Greca
Either way, it's going to be an incredible period here, hopefully lasting for a long time. Let's talk to the people. Phone lines jammed to talk Knicks, just like we knew it would be today. Let's get started with Manny and flushing. Manny, welcome to the show, man. Happy Friday. Oh, no. Manny.
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Alan Hahn
Yes.
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Caller or Listener
Yes. Hi.
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Peter Vecsey
Hi.
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Caller or Listener
How y' all doing?
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Charles Barkley (advertisement)
We're good.
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Don La Greca
Manny, what you got?
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Alan Hahn
Yes, Listen, this probably, this is probably
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Caller or Listener
one of the best wins of the year. I mean, I put them as one of the top five wins of this Knicks team, of this, of the year. For the Knicks. You know, the one against Cleveland on Christmas Day, the one against the Rockets back on February when they were down by 18 to 4/4 quarter.
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Alan Hahn
Right.
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Caller or Listener
I mean, being a Celtics team was, you know, like, like the Knicks have championship aspirations another two years removed from their last title. But you can't just skip. You can't just count them. But I gotta get credit where credit's due with Mike Brown. I mean, all the scrutiny and what he has to go through. He has like the most wins for a first year Knick coach. I mean, surpassing Pat Riley would have thought that.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, well, it helps pretty good basketball when you take over a loaded team. Yeah, that, that definitely helps you. I don't want to take away from Mike on this, but. Because it. We've seen it go the other way. That's why I always tell the Don Nelson story, because Pat riley's teams won 50 or 60 games in his four years. And then after that year when he left for Miami, Nelly comes in and he takes over a ready made team that had gotten to the finals two years prior to. And they didn't get the 50. So it's not easy. It doesn't always work.
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Don La Greca
Right.
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Alan Hahn
Here's where you credit Brown, because, you know, we were asking Brunson about the pick and roll thing, and it's like somebody said, like, are you. Like, are you. Do you know why it took so long to get to playing that way? And he said no. And he wouldn't. He wouldn't elaborate because when you ask him a yes or no, of course that's all he does. He gives you a yes or no. And then it was. It almost was this feeling of probably. It became a thing with Mike Brown when he came in wanting to turn this team into the Golden State warriors, where it's a lot of Brunson off the ball, running up tempo, towns in the corner, shooting threes as the stretch five. And no one really liked it or could, like. Like you were taking a system and applying it to a group, thinking it would fit, and it didn't. And somewhere in the middle of the season, you saw it fall apart. And then they just started figuring out, okay, then what do we need to do to win? And it first became, what does Kat need? What does Brunson need separately? And then eventually someone probably came up with the idea of how come we never play these two guys together and see what happens? Because it does feel like this wasn't something they've been sitting on. This was something they gave a look to and went, oh, wow, that actually works. I'm telling you. Do you give credit to a coach who can be sometimes stubborn in his ways again, Don Nelson. And instead said, well, all right, if you. If this doesn't seem to work for you guys, what does? And he included them. And that's the part that everybody talked about when Tom Thibodeau was fired about the collaboration and how he. He was more. This is how we're doing it. I'm not. I'm not listening to any input. And Mike Brown is more of a willing. Willingness to listen and adapt, and that's what he's done. So if you want to credit him for something, I would credit him for that. He has adapted throughout this season to his team and trusted the veterans on this team.
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Don La Greca
Let's take. Let's take one more call before the break, and then we'll keep. Keep talking to you guys about Knicks throughout this hour and throughout the show. It's a 6:30 vehicle today. Let's go to Merv in Queens. What's up, Merv?
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Caller or Listener
What's going on, fellas? Man, thank you for taking my call. What you guys saying? The Knicks are cool. It's a place to be seen. Now, msg, especially with the, with the playoffs, you know, around the corner. I got a good question for you guys. As much I've been a fan for 35 years and I watch the games, I get caught up in the game. I don't see the X's and O's behind it. I want to ask all you guys, fill in the blank. The Knicks need to blank to make it to the NBA Finals. Is it the bench? Is it health? Is it desperation? What is it that we need to see from them?
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Alan Hahn
Well, it's always, it's always health, right? Because that's the first thing that can derail any type of run. But I think if you're trying to fill in the blank, I think the most important thing is the Knicks need to defend. I think it's that. Yeah, simple as that. The offense, they are an elite offensive team. They need to defend. Simple as that. If they defend, they have a shot at going far.
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Peter Vecsey
I was gonna say they need cat that's good too.
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Don La Greca
Well, and we talked about that the other day.
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Alan Hahn
Very good.
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Don La Greca
Like as I've said, a great cat throughout an entire playoffs means we could be talking about a Knick championship, in my opinion.
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Don La Greca
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Don La Greca
Well, this is exciting. Welcome back to Don Hahnem Rosenberg on ESPN New York. Before I get to what the artwork of my colleague, I know why we are here and I left my wallet Nel Segundo. And that is because today, April 10th is my good friend and friend of the show Q Tip's birthday.
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Peter Vecsey
Oh, I gotta text him.
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Don La Greca
Drop him a text shout out to the great Q tip. I guess 56 today 1970.
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Alan Hahn
Yes, that's right. That is 56. Correct. Not only Don is but.
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Don La Greca
Go ahead.
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Alan Hahn
People's instinctive travels in the path of rhythms came out on this day too in 1990. How about that as a birthday.
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Don La Greca
It came out on Tip's 20th birthday.
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Alan Hahn
How about that? Those are the days, baby.
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Don La Greca
We can go passing my surpassing all of our lives on his 20th birthday. Can you imagine? Don't. Is that a photo of me?
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Peter Vecsey
Well, I just doodled you during the last segment.
- [27:12]
Don La Greca
Look at this. It's like I'm on the screen twice.
- [27:16]
Alan Hahn
I was wondering like I first looked up and I'm like, oh, Peter's just putting up a picture of his face for some reason. Maybe he's walking around and then I'm like, wait a. No, I see Peter. That's somebody else.
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Don La Greca
Look at that.
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Alan Hahn
I didn't know he was in artiste the.
- [27:30]
Peter Vecsey
The hotel stationary.
- [27:32]
Alan Hahn
That's great, Don.
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Don La Greca
So if my camera goes out, you're good?
- [27:35]
Peter Vecsey
Yes, we could do.
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Don La Greca
We're all set. I was just telling Anthony, by the way, during the break guys, since we do when we're you Know, at a studio, we can have our issues with the app that we use to get on the visuals. I was saying we got to pose for a picture at some point together, like, with, like, wearing a hard hat and holding, like, wrenches and hammers and make a technical difficulty photo.
- [28:00]
Alan Hahn
That actually would be hilarious.
- [28:01]
Don La Greca
Like, us all hard at work, like, trying to fix whatever's going on. It happens.
- [28:06]
Alan Hahn
A whole bunch of wires that are tangled up. Like, Don. Don's got the angry, trying to rip it apart face. You're trying to reason with him about it, and I'm completely like. Like, I'm like, losing. Like, that would be really funny.
- [28:22]
Don La Greca
Technical difficulties. No, I like the idea of one of a Don.
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Caller or Listener
Don't.
- [28:26]
Don La Greca
Don holding all the wires. Me looking at a manual. Like, I'm gonna fix it with the manual.
- [28:31]
Alan Hahn
Right, right. Don's just trying to tear it apart, and I'm just holding the sign. Like, I'm the flag guy that, like, waves the cars by. There you go.
- [28:38]
Peter Vecsey
God, that could be one. The other one could be me with the. With the microphone in my hand. Fix that.
- [28:45]
Don La Greca
Oh, yeah, that's right.
- [28:46]
Alan Hahn
I don't mind that.
- [28:48]
Don La Greca
All right, let's keep talking to the people because I'll be honest, guys, you know, we. Every day for the last few weeks, we've kind of talked in our pre show meeting of like, oh, is it time to get to do Knicks yet? And the fans, you know, have kind of been at least it feels like it, waiting for the playoffs, waiting for go time. And today is the first day and we predicted this where it's starting to feel like you guys are really ready to start talking about this team in a real way and gearing up for the playoffs. So we got.
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Caller or Listener
We can't.
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Don La Greca
We can't hold back.
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Alan Hahn
Let's go.
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Peter Vecsey
But just for one sec. Q Tip did get back to me.
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Don La Greca
Okay.
- [29:21]
Peter Vecsey
I said, happy birthday, buddy. Sucks about Browning Nagel. And he goes, hey, thank you, brother. What happened?
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Don La Greca
Oh, no.
- [29:28]
Peter Vecsey
So I'm breaking the news, first of all.
- [29:30]
Don La Greca
So that's your. So real quick. Don's birthday wish to someone.
- [29:34]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
Is telling them about a death of a player on their favorite team.
- [29:38]
Alan Hahn
Sorry about. Yeah.
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Caller or Listener
How often.
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Don La Greca
Alan, Alan, how often do you include condolences in your birthday message?
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Alan Hahn
You know, it depends, I guess. But not. Not that often.
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Caller or Listener
I'm. I'm.
- [29:51]
Alan Hahn
I'm still floored by the fact that. And I think Peter, you know how much of a fan I am of tribe.
- [29:58]
Peter Vecsey
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
And obviously, you know, I mean, the fife relationship that I had was special. To me.
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Don La Greca
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
I don't have Q Tip's phone number and I can't text him happy birthday.
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Don La Greca
I know, dude.
- [30:11]
Alan Hahn
I didn't like me Don Ken because Don did. He's in. I'm out.
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Peter Vecsey
Well, I was just trying.
- [30:20]
Alan Hahn
I mean, how am I not in this group chat?
- [30:22]
Peter Vecsey
But he didn't know about the passing. Maybe other people didn't.
- [30:26]
Don La Greca
Alan, aren't you glad now that you weren't in on the group chat though? Now that.
- [30:30]
Alan Hahn
Now that breaking the news of deaths
- [30:32]
Don La Greca
on this birthday, like, aren't you glad now?
- [30:36]
Alan Hahn
Still not glad. But yeah, at least avoided that awkward scenario.
- [30:40]
Don La Greca
All right, let's. Let's talk to some people. Griffin's been on hold for a while. Griffin in Connecticut wants to talk.
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Caller or Listener
Nick's.
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Don La Greca
What's up Griftster?
- [30:47]
Caller or Listener
Hey guys. First off, before I get to my point with Kanti's today that I disagree with Candy take completely, maybe you can get him on. But we know why this taking needs to stop in the NBA. The Grizzlies and the Jazz are 100% a reason why something needs to be done. A football roster is on bolster reports of who's not playing today for both the teams.
- [31:14]
Alan Hahn
They have G league guys on 10 days.
- [31:16]
Caller or Listener
Ridiculous.
- [31:17]
Alan Hahn
You're absolutely right, Griff. They have geely guys on 10 days. What they're doing is they're granting wishes to players who will never in any other circumstance would have never had a chance to play in the NBA. And they're getting a chance to play in the NBA. That's what they're doing.
- [31:31]
Caller or Listener
They're granting so they can lose the game so they can get a high drop pick.
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Alan Hahn
Better be a good draft.
- [31:39]
Caller or Listener
My point that I disagreed with candy 100% is he said on sportsman like today when they were talking about this game that the Knicks cannot beat the Celtics when the Celtics are fully healthy in a seven game series. I don't know why he made it seem like the Knicks can't do it. They done it. They did it last year and I don't. They already did it. But he's almost saying that there's a different Nick, a different Celtics team than they were last year, that that they're different this year and when they're fully healthy and they weren't capable of thinking
- [32:13]
Alan Hahn
about the fly we have. Do we have it by any. Thank you. Do we have it by any chance? Because I'd want to hear exactly what he said Because I love Chris Canney. I've known him for years. He's a great Friend of mine, he's also a Laker fan. So he's a hater. Well, so I don't. I don't.
- [32:29]
Peter Vecsey
So paid to give an opinion and it's not an awful opinion. You might disagree with it. But he's on a national show. Is he supposed to say, I think he feels comfortable.
- [32:40]
Alan Hahn
Okay, that's why I said I want to hear it when he said.
- [32:45]
Peter Vecsey
But Perk pretty much said the same thing. And he's. He was like, almost like what Last
- [32:52]
Alan Hahn
year Perk said they can't beat the Celtics.
- [32:54]
Peter Vecsey
That's right.
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Don La Greca
We have audio if you want to hear. Yeah, I believe we have that Perk audio, don't we?
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Audio Clip Speaker (Perk)
I ain't putting that much stock in them at all. Listen, was this win important for the New York Knicks? Absolutely. Did this mean anything for the Boston Celtics? Did they leave out of Madison Square Garden lacking confidence or saying that they still can't reach that goal, or they shouldn't be the favorites to come out of these? Hell no. Listen, the New York Knicks don't me scare scared soul. Not even on Halloween. And here's the thing that I'm going to tell you. I understand that Jason Tatum, he didn't have a great night shooting wise. He didn't come back this season to be Batman. He came back this season to be Robin and even sometimes Alfred, depending on what Peyton Pritchard and Derrick White is doing throughout the course of the game. So am I putting a lot of stock into this? Am I going to flip the script and say, oh, now the Knicks are the favorite to win the East? Hell no. It is still the Boston Celtics. The Celtics still have the most championship experience out of anybody in the Eastern Conference. They have a head coach at Joe Missoula who has taken them to the promised land. And they have guys that know how to be stars in their roles. So I'm not going to overreact and flip the script. Was it a great win, a good, solid win for the Knicks? Absolutely. But I still got the Celtics as the favorite.
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Alan Hahn
Okay, what about that was wrong?
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Peter Vecsey
Well, when he said the Knicks don't scare anybody, including.
- [34:18]
Alan Hahn
Well, he's having fun with that. That's. That's him. Just, you know, but he was a Nick guy. Well, he's a Brunson guy.
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Peter Vecsey
Brunson, big body Brunson.
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Alan Hahn
Big body Brunson. No, just for the record, yours truly was the first to be bold enough to say that the east runs through Boston and I got killed for it. When Tatum came back and looked the way he Looked especially that win over Charlotte. I'm on get up the next day, and Greeny's putting me on the, you know, on the hot seat about it. I said, no, it goes through Boston. Everybody knows it. Boston knows it. They know it. They are. They have the coach and they have the two stars that have rings on their fingers. They have the. The. They have the culture. They have all the things you need now. They got to do it. But are they. Are they infallible? Are they unbeatable? No. But are they the team that everybody should say, despite the fact that Detroit's number one, who's the team that everybody's going for? It's Boston. Clearly, that's not crazy.
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Peter Vecsey
I don't think you're being a hater if you predict the Celtics to win. I think it's logical. Plus, I also think the fact that Nick Speed him last year could end up being a negative
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Caller or Listener
one part I
- [35:26]
Alan Hahn
didn't like there, guys.
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Don La Greca
The one thing I just. Listen, Perk. Perk loves throwing some extra sauce in. That was what's. That's what makes him great on television.
- [35:34]
Alan Hahn
Yes.
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Don La Greca
The one part I didn't like was the Knicks aren't scaring anyone. Like, that's just.
- [35:38]
Alan Hahn
I think he's out.
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Don La Greca
That's just. That's being performed.
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Alan Hahn
I mean, he's saying it in a way of they're not a physically intimidating team.
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Peter Vecsey
Okay. That's not what I took it. I took it as. They're not beating them.
- [35:49]
Don La Greca
Yeah.
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Peter Vecsey
I'm worried about the Knicks making a run. That's the way I took it.
- [35:52]
Don La Greca
Okay.
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Alan Hahn
I. I looked at it as where Perk sees the. That's how I took a team that. That is going to physically scare you in a playoff series. And, you know, like, you're not going into a series with them intimidated by any of their players. That. I think that's what he was. I thought that's what he was trying to say there. But we can all take our interpretations. None of them matter. There's nowhere where I said they're. They're beating the Celtics. What I said was last night was a great game and also important in the mental part of we can beat these guys. To truly believe it, to feel it, to have that confidence level and also the competitive level between the two teams, I think will make for great theater. Can the Knicks win? Yes. Will they? I can't say that. I can't boldly predict the Knicks are going to beat the Celtics. I think this is going to be. Like I said, It's 5149. I don't think it's, it's, it's a very, very close matchup and I'm curious to see what's going to be the tipping point. I'm very curious to see what will be the tipping point.
- [36:53]
Don La Greca
Let's keep this thing going with Stephen in Connecticut. What's up, Stephen?
- [36:58]
Caller or Listener
Hey guys, can you hear me?
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Peter Vecsey
Oh, yeah.
- [37:01]
Caller or Listener
All right.
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Perfect, perfect.
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First of all, you guys are great trio, so just keep up the great work. I love listening to you guys on my drive. I work with AT&T, so I'm always out there.
- [37:10]
Alan Hahn
Oh, thank you.
- [37:11]
Caller or Listener
So I'm very, very happy with the victory. I think was a very, very well played game. But for me, the biggest and major win was seeing how Brunson was getting rid of the ball quickly, right? Relatively. Didn't stick in his hands at all. All kept moving and he actively got Cat involved with a touch. Whether Cat was going to shoot the ball, you know, during that set or not, Cats was touching the ball a lot more often. And when he touches the ball a lot, his engagement goes up too. So I think to me that's a major piece that if they take that into the playoffs, they're going to be really, really, really hard to beat.
- [37:46]
Alan Hahn
What do you guys think about that offensively? That's what I look at it that way. I look at it as it's going to be a very difficult offense to stop. And what we saw like at some points in the game last night was a good example of it. They built a 13 point lead because they couldn't miss. They were getting open shot after open shot. Then that, that, that lead evaporated. Why? Because it couldn't make any. Like these weren't great defensive stops. The same thing with the Atlanta game. The Atlanta game, they were getting good looks and they were turning the ball over. That were self inflicted turnovers. Don, you said that yourself on Tuesday and that tells you that there's. The offense has a chance to be really special and very tough to stop. And they have to have the shooters around them, which means Hart's got to make shots. OG's got to make shots. Shamet, who did who, he's been struggling. He can't miss. Deuce struggle, he can't miss. But when those guys come in and they start missing shots, you're going to lose a lead fast against a good team. So. But that offense, yes, that offense has a chance to be a dangerous offense, but I'm not looking at that side of the ball. The caller asked the question what will be the difference in the playoffs? The difference in the playoffs will be can the Knicks get stops when they need to.
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Don La Greca
Let's go to Mustafa in Randolph. What's up Mustafa?
- [39:04]
Caller or Listener
Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my call. I want to ask in regards to defense, Mitchell Robinson played, I think 20 minutes last night looked amazing and I'm kind of curious what you guys think if the playoffs will look like in regards to his minutes versus Cat's minutes every time this guy's on the floor. I mean, I'm sure the plus minus numbers show it too. It's he's such a game changer. So kind of curious what you guys think the playoff rotation will look like with Mitch.
- [39:34]
Thanks.
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Alan Hahn
You got it. Mitch was minus two by the way, last night in 19 minutes. You can't really go with the plus minus thing. It's more of the the on court, off court stuff and that's too deep in the weeds. He's a great rebounder. He limited offensively and Joe Missoula made it clear when we need to, we're fouling him and putting him on the line and that's a dangerous thing late in games because he's got to make free throws. He made one out of two last night when they did it. They purposely fouled him. But you guys saw last year teams are going to do that to him to get him out of the game because he does affect the game just the way the caller said. I don't, you know, he, he's still going to play the 20 to 25 minute role. I don't think they're going to have him play 40 minutes and it also depends on matchups. But Towns is your starting center. Towns is going to get the bulk of the minutes because of what he can do offensively. Evan Cohen here.
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Don La Greca
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- [42:05]
Don La Greca
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [42:07]
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- [42:15]
Don La Greca
Imagine making this song at like 18, 19 years old. It's. It's truly like crazy Town.
- [42:25]
Alan Hahn
Now, Don, you know Bonita Apple Bomb, right?
- [42:28]
Peter Vecsey
I do not.
- [42:29]
Don La Greca
You know, you don't know that song that you just heard that and you went, nothing rang a bell?
- [42:33]
Peter Vecsey
No.
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Alan Hahn
Okay, that's fine.
- [42:38]
Caller or Listener
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
You don't. No, don't be mad. But also, Alan, don't downplay it.
- [42:41]
Alan Hahn
I'm not mad, but you also shouldn't
- [42:43]
Don La Greca
downplay and say, that's fine. It's not fine. It's the same way Don feels when he plays me something great and I don't know it. He doesn't go, that's fine. He goes, oh, this one's really, you know, you. You explain. I mean, that is. That is a. That's a. I mean, it's important, especially considering Q Tips a friend.
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Alan Hahn
They can really hear it.
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Don La Greca
What if Don and Q Tip were having dinner together?
- [43:04]
Alan Hahn
You would have heard it on. What was it back in the day?
- [43:09]
Don La Greca
You own TV raps?
- [43:10]
Alan Hahn
No, no, no. I'm talking about radio in New York.
- [43:13]
Don La Greca
Oh, well, I mean on BLS or KISS fm.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, bls. That's what I was thinking of. BLS would have played.
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Don La Greca
I don't think Don was tuned in tomorrow.
- [43:20]
Alan Hahn
You don't think so.
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Don La Greca
No. I just would have thought at some
- [43:24]
Alan Hahn
point just played more than of the dance stuff. BLS played more of this kind of stuff.
- [43:28]
Don La Greca
But I, I just.
- [43:29]
Peter Vecsey
I.
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Don La Greca
Makes complete sense that he wouldn't be. Wouldn't know it. But at the same time, like, that's not the first time Jacobs played it here either. But I guess.
- [43:40]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Caller or Listener
Guys.
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Jefferson (Graphic Designer)
Not. But I have something very important to share.
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Don La Greca
All right. Please.
- [43:44]
Jefferson (Graphic Designer)
Jefferson's. First of all, Gabby, our old intern that is now working for us was response our older. You get what I mean? Not interning anymore. Still in school, but now actually working across a good karma. She made the graphic. That's that you see here.
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Don La Greca
Please just post it.
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Caller or Listener
Can you.
- [43:59]
Don La Greca
Can you. Can you use it yet or.
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Alan Hahn
No, no, no.
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Jefferson (Graphic Designer)
This is the graphic. The Phoenix defeat the Celtics graphic that's been on the screen for the last hour. That was.
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Caller or Listener
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, that. Yes.
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Jefferson (Graphic Designer)
Jefferson came in in the afternoon, felt bad or felt the challenge that Gabby did the stuff for our show today and he came up with this.
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Don La Greca
There we go. See, now we're having the conversation, folks. It's me with a hammer floating above my hand. We're all wearing construction hats. Don is grabbing some wires. Now, listen, it'll do the job right now.
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Peter Vecsey
That's really nice, but it's got a Village People's vibe.
- [44:34]
Alan Hahn
I was thinking the same thing, Don. I wish I. I was gonna ask. I'd rather. Could I be the cop or at least the Native American? Like, I really don't want to be the hard hat guy.
- [44:46]
Jefferson (Graphic Designer)
And don't worry, you'll be seeing it a lot. I have a funny feeling.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. Okay. Well, good job, Jefferson. Thank you, Gabby.
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Don La Greca
One. At some point. I don't know if there's a top five for this, Alan, but, like, we're gonna have to remark on how amazing it is for Don to have a relationship with a celebrity of Q tips ilk.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
And have virtually no idea why the man is famous.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. I mean, doesn't that make it better? Yeah. Thank you. No, no, no, no. I will say it does seem to make it genuine because it's like, you know, it's like an act. I don't really. I don't know any of his movies. I don't anything but I just like him. He's a cool dude.
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Caller or Listener
Well, no.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
Remotely. This isn't. This is not remotely making their Put casting a doubt on their friendship.
- [45:31]
Alan Hahn
Sure.
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Don La Greca
It's just a unique. It's a unique circumstance to be friendly with someone who is a legend.
- [45:38]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
And. And if The. If someone on the street were to run up to Q Tip and say, oh my God, I love this, this, this, this, and this. I don't know. I'm guessing the only thing Don would know would be scenario.
- [45:50]
Alan Hahn
Scenario.
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Don La Greca
Don, you feel you'd recognize scenario.
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Peter Vecsey
I gotta hear it.
- [45:55]
Alan Hahn
Here we go, yo. Here we go, yo. You know that.
- [45:59]
Don La Greca
So what? So what's the scenario?
- [46:01]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, everybody knows this. You gotta realize that.
- [46:04]
Don La Greca
Alan, calm down. He's not. You're gonna lose him.
- [46:07]
Peter Vecsey
My hip hop knowledge basically comes down to whatever MTV would air.
- [46:11]
Alan Hahn
That's fair.
- [46:12]
Peter Vecsey
And when I worked at Sportsphone, there was a guy, Bill McNulty. I've talked about him before.
- [46:17]
Alan Hahn
Yes.
- [46:17]
Peter Vecsey
Where he would kind of turn me on to ice tea because they didn't play any iced tea on mtv. And he also turned me on to Wu Tang, so he'd bring the CDs in and I'd listen to him.
- [46:30]
Alan Hahn
Nice.
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Don La Greca
And besides that.
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Peter Vecsey
Yeah. Because I wasn't listening to any hip hop radio stations. I wouldn't watch Yo, MTV Raps because I wasn't a fan.
- [46:39]
Alan Hahn
Okay.
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Peter Vecsey
So I was exposed to very little.
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Alan Hahn
That's why Freddy. Well, I think your relationship with Q Chip is akin to Martha Stewart and Snoop Dogg. There's just chemistry. It just works.
- [46:54]
Don La Greca
At some point, though, Don, on your streaming vehicle, I think the album I would most recommend for you would be the Low End Theory.
- [47:02]
Alan Hahn
Low End Theory. He would like that.
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Don La Greca
Like, I just want to try to like. Let me just hear me out on this. If I told you, Don, name, like, name some iconic metal guy, just give me. Give me one. One like, you know, a borderline Mount Rushmore kind of metal person.
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Peter Vecsey
Well, I just gave my top five singers, so Rob Halford was number one. So.
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Don La Greca
Rob Halford. If I told you I've become pretty tight with Rob Halford, we text. Yeah, you would probably like, well, dude, you got to listen to Blank Album. And like, good one.
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Peter Vecsey
You gotta see, because my favorite's British steel. But I think Screaming for Vengeance is what I would want, so.
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Don La Greca
So you'd say, peter, you gotta. If you're gonna be friends with this guy, it's awesome. You're friends with him. You'll appreciate him even more if you listen to Screaming for Vengeance and hear his sort of coup de grace. You need to at least listen to Low End Theory and get an idea of the brilliance of this man you've befriended. I mean, we're talking about one of the great bodies of work ever put together in music. Now let's talk to a couple More people to close out the hour here. Nick's calls loading every single line right now. Ben in Springfield, what do you got for us?
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Caller or Listener
It's a team's back,
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obviously.
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Jefferson (Graphic Designer)
I think you lost, Ben, when you started doing A Tribe Called Quest.
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Don La Greca
Ben, you just having a good time over there?
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Alan Hahn
Nice.
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Don La Greca
Listen, I've been talking to.
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Alan Hahn
No, no, I really want to know who he was talking to.
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Don La Greca
Well, I just like that we have a listener who's actually talking to a woman. I mean, I think that Don. That's a win for us.
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Caller or Listener
No.
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Alan Hahn
Wow.
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Peter Vecsey
That's not his mom.
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Don La Greca
It didn't sound like his mom. So I think that's a win for us. Let's, let's keep it moving. Let's go to, let's go to our friend spike in St. Pete. What's up, Spike?
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Caller or Listener
Hey, thanks for getting me Alan again. We saw the two man game at the end and I sent you guys messages on the floor for the flaw and not to hurt Peter's feelings, but I think the matchup's very favorable to the knicks because their three best scorers get you what, 65 points a game. White, Tatum and Brown. And they're all shooting 32, 33% from 3. So short. Him and Pritchard and Hauser going to beat you.
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I'll live with that. I'll live with that. Really.
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When Tatum went down last night, boy, I felt for him. I want him to play. I want the Celtics to play. But if I tell you Josh Hawk gets one rebound, they're letting them shoot and he's shooting 41.3% from three this year. That's a mistake. That's a big mistake. And we need shaman. I keep saying because he's 6, 4, 6, 5. He's a point guard at Wichita State because White, White is not a good shooter. He had a great year last year. He has great games right now. Scheuerman, my buddy said, who's showing in? I said he's about six, six. He played out at with the. Doug McDermott's great. Yeah, he got hot. He got hot. Mike Brown made one adjustment in the second half because you got to stop Pritchard going into the paint. Yeah, he's a better version of what's his name, T.J. mcConnell. He's a better player. He's that size. He gets into the pain just as pesty. I really think, think, yeah, I think a pass. I, I think the Knicks are repeated. I think they're going to take the Celtics. It will be a seven game killer, maybe both of them will be spent after that. But I see the Caps taking out the Pistons. I agree with you, Peter. The Pistons. The Pistons do not have that secondary scoring. The kid from St. John's woke up off the bench. And aside to that, you're going to go with the what's the kid from Michigan who shoots the threes with Miami, Robinson and Tobias Harris? Come on, those guys are on the backside of their careers. And Cunningham's great. But why is Detroit 25 to 1 with the best recognition? Explain that to me.
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Alan Hahn
It's trust. That's. It's a trust factor. It's the same reason why the spurs look like they could do it, but no one trusts that they can because there's no track record yet. That's why. And it's it might be a good bet. But yeah, no, the, the east is still, it's still up for grabs. And I don't mean that meaning the building's up for grabs. I mean it literally is. The east is up. Anyone can. Anyone can grab it. It's who's going to get hot, who's going to play the best, who's going to make the least amount of mistakes. All that stuff, the coaching, the adjustments. Like this is the best time. This is the best time. There's no runaway favorite. The west has the Thunder. But in the east, it's literally, it's open. You could one of four teams you could make a case for thanks for
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Don La Greca
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Alan Hahn
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