B (1:47)

Yeah. Yeah.

C (1:48)

There has to be fighting majors.

B (1:50)

All right. Can I guess? Can I guess the last time?

C (1:52)

Yes.

B (1:54)

If it was not Henrik, then I'm going to go Dan Cloutier.

C (1:58)

Dan Clouchier is the right answer. Against the Islanders.

B (2:03)

I was at that game. That's why I remember that Tommy Shallow, right.

C (2:07)

Tommy Sallow.

B (2:08)

That poor kid, he beat the living hell out of him.

C (2:10)

So that. That's going back, you know, 25 years ago.

B (2:12)

Yeah.

C (2:12)

Today.

B (2:13)

Yeah.

C (2:13)

All right. So obviously I was not doing Ranger games 25 years ago. All right? So I knew I was good. The last Devil goalie fight also involved the Islanders. Also involved the goaltender for the Islanders named Tommy. Tommy Soderstrom.

B (2:29)

Excuse me.

C (2:29)

Yeah. Fighting Corey Schwab.

B (2:32)

Corey Schwab. That's a strange pull.

C (2:35)

That is a strange pull for sure.

B (2:36)

So that, and by the way, the two Swedes, two Swedish goalies, you know, that, that cliche fight, I watched it. Somebody posted it last night as a memory, of course. And all I thought of was if, if. If that were Rick instead of Sallow, that would have been an unbelievable fight. Yeah, his salad, like, you know, he. He was sort of. He got involved and realized this is a mistake. And Kluche was a maniac. Like, he, he wanted all the smoke. He went after that fight. He went up to the islander bench, like, who else wants some? Like, it was great.

C (3:11)

It was awesome.

B (3:12)

It was so much fun. That was on Fox, by the way.

C (3:15)

Yes. And, and, and the, the Corey Schwab was in December of 95. So that was over 30 years ago.

B (3:23)

Wow.

C (3:24)

So it was the first goalie fight that I ever called. And, and the thing about it is I don't have to be as descriptive on television. I thought Alex Fous, we have him. It will play it during E and N. Okay. Anthony's doing E and N today because Peter's got the day off. Had a phenomenal blow by blow call. But the thing is, so there's a scrum. Shusturkin gets taken down, and Shisterkin is in the middle of the scrum. Now you'll see a goaltender kind of creep up to the goal line just to make sure, hey, I'm going to even this thing up if I have to. The blue line, he's not going to get out of the way. Kind of just skate just to be in the vicinity.

B (3:58)

Yeah, he'll hang out by the neutral zone. Just take a look. Do I need to get involved?

C (4:02)

So I'm looking, I'm looking at Markstrom. There's no hesitation. He's skating up the ice. And I was able to catch it. I'm like, you know, here comes Markstrom. He wants to get involved. We've got a goalie. I knew he wasn't there. He was there. There's 10 minutes left of the game. They're down three. Kenny was saying, we need a spark. Well, now this. He was gonna light. He was gonna light it, man. And he got his butt kicked. But still, you know, the team was. Dylan was like laughing like it was. It was crazy.

B (4:32)

They all enjoyed it.

C (4:33)

You never see it, but, you know, and, And I got to say, Markstrom, he's got a great personality. I know a lot of Devil fans get on him because he's not living up to the. He's got, you know, $12 million coming to him after this year for the next two seasons. So there's pressure around that and all that, but he's been pretty solid. But, you know, he came to the support. He wanted Shisterkin, and Shisterkin gave it to him pretty good. But you know what it was. It was a thrill to be able to call it. To see it Last night was just crazy. Being at the Garden. Allen just, you know, going back and

B (5:04)

seeing all the people as the Devil announcer. Right.

C (5:06)

This is different of, like, credit to the fans. A lot of Devil fans were there, but also, you know, Ranger fans remember me and when the great. One of the best things about the Garden, and then we'll get into all the sports of it, is I. I love the security there. They're. They're amazing. They were. They all remembered me.

B (5:23)

All good people.

C (5:24)

They've all. They treated me great when I was there.

B (5:26)

Yeah.

C (5:27)

Treated me even better last night. So it was kind of like a coming home, but it was very strange at the same time. But we got a cool picture that I sent out on social media with Alex Foust and Kenny and. And getting to see Dave, and then Danico jumped in as well. It was a. It was a really interesting night. Not didn't go our way from a Devil standpoint, but it was. It was a fun game to call, and it was nice to be back at the old stomping grounds. Got a chance to do a show with you across the street, which was great.

B (5:55)

Yeah, that was fun. You coughing all over me. That was great. I. I just. Just so you know, I did not wake up sick, so. So far, so good.

C (6:04)

Well, I appreciate them, but listen, it's.

B (6:06)

I took one for the team, but,

C (6:08)

you know, all that talking definitely made the voice raw. Driving home. So a lot of coughing, but I'm feeling a little bit better today.

B (6:14)

You sound great.

C (6:15)

So we're ready to get into it and, you know, we'll shelve the baseball till a little bit later on because both the teams are going to be playing in the afternoon. Got to talk about a tough Islander loss. They're not playing the way that they want to play as we head to the playoffs, although they caught some breaks, so they still maintain third place in the division. But the Knicks are a problem, man. They're a problem is because the one thing that you can hang your hat on for all of the things that bothered you as a Knick fan, the inconsistency, the health they were always able to rise to the occasion against the best teams, unlike last year. They come to play. They come to play. That has not been the case over the last five meetings against really good

B (7:02)

teams, teams with a winning record.

C (7:04)

They've lost record good teams. And certainly you saw what happened against okc. So what happened last night against the Houston Rockets? Yeah, so they're not trending in the right direction at all. And right now, fourth place could be very much up for grabs. They caught a break last night with the Cavaliers losing, but this is not the way you want to play. Was it six games left in the season? They are not trending in the right direction at all. So there's a lot of things to feel good about. But I'm kind of tired of hearing about, don't worry about it. The Knicks will figure it out. No, I don't know why people would think that. Where is the his? What? Because they made one run last year to the conference final, then now that's enough for you to be able to. Oh, don't worry about it. They'll be figured. They'll figure it out. They'll be fine. Where does that come from other than blind optimism?

B (7:49)

That's all it is. It's. Well, it's also the hope. Right. It's the one way to get through it is you want to just believe that it's a veteran team that is, you know, they just, like you've actually said this, Don, fast forward to the playoffs, like, can we just get to April? Can we just get to April? And the problem is, is that you can't really go into the playoffs playing the way you're playing now. I say that remembering last year, going into the playoffs, they also, they did not go into the playoffs on a high. They did not ride into the playoffs with momentum. You remember the week before the season ended, they lost games to Detroit, Cleveland and Boston, all the teams that were in the mix. And it was, you know, they don't look ready to beat any of these teams. And there was a lot of pessimism about what they could do. Then they got in the playoffs, they flipped a switch, and suddenly they were that team again. And Brunson was that clutch guy again. But this feels, I'm sorry, this looks different to me than last year looked because it's the same problem it's been since the start of the season. As good as they've been through stretches and they, again, like I said, they went 23 and nine to start. They had just gone 23 and nine almost to finish up until last night, that makes it 23 and 10 over the last 33 games. But. And in between was that bad stretch, the 2 and 9. In between that 23 and 9 and what is now 23 and 10, there was a 2 and 9. So for the majority of the season, they've been a team that can win. But when you look at it, you're like, I. I don't. I don't like the way they're winning some of these games. They're getting away with a lot. And then in some of these games lately against good teams, you're seeing good teams have. This is how we play identity. Whatever it is. The Knicks, what is their identity? What are they. Is it just a lot of Jalen Brunson? Is it a lot of three pointers? One thing that we're noticing it's not is a lot of car. Anthony Towns. That continues to be a problem. He had been good lately, too. He's been really good. But the last three games, first half, just not there, disappears. And it just keeps coming back to whose fault is it? So a guy in Penn Station stopped me as I'm walking here, and he goes that. He said that we have a Jalen Brunson problem. He's saying that it's Jalen Brunson's fault. And I'm like, well, first of all, there is no such thing as a Jalen Brunson problem because of what Jalen Brunson is for this team and what he's been. It's to me, the two of them playing together and playing off each other. Why is that not a thing? In Boston, they. They talked about this for years with Tatum and Brown, how they don't really play well together. They play well separately, but yet they found a way to win and neither guy would disappear in the offense. So you can have two stars that might not be compatible on the court. That much together can still carry you to winning. So when you have this, I don't blame the players. As much as everybody wants to get on Towns and you got to do this and you got to be more effective, more aggressive, demand the ball. All these things. He's saying, I can't blow up the offense. This is what we're running. I have to just play my role. It's on the coach. I'm sorry, it is at your 77 games into the season. It can't be still trying to figure it out. So for me, this remains on the table of Mike Brown, that this late in the year, you still are. Having a guy as good as he is and as talented as he is, taking three shots in the first half and one shot in the first half and four shots in the first half. That can't happen. It can't just happen. And you just go, he. Like, you have to by now have adjusted to something to make sure that never happens again. But it did again last night.

C (11:48)

Well, I listened to a lot of the shows and a lot of the comments, and people have no problem blaming Mike Brown. They won't go, at least I haven't seen it, to firing him because it seems odd to do that with six games left.

B (12:04)

He's also in the first. First year of his contract, but.

C (12:07)

Yeah, understood. But listen, Tibbs had a ton of money on his contract when he was let go, right?

B (12:11)

Fair point.

C (12:12)

Fair point is because I don't think people realize there's precedent for this, but it's in a sport that doesn't get followed as much as the other three, and that's in hockey. Just a few days ago, the Vegas Golden Knights let go of their head coach, Bruce Cassidy, one of the best coaches in the NHL, a more decorated coach than Mike Brown is, and they let him go with eight games left, with the Vegas Golden Knights locked into third place in the Pacific Division, they're going to the playoffs. They fired him for John Tortorello because they felt like, hey, we're probably going to fire him at the end of the year anyway, so why not do it now? And John Tortorella is going to be at the top of our list of coaches that we'd want to replace him with. Why not do it now? And the reason there's precedent for that is because back in 2000, the Devils, with eight games left, fired Robbie Fatoric.

B (13:08)

Yep.

C (13:09)

And replaced him with Larry Robinson. A team locked into a playoff spot, and they went on to win the Stanley Cup. Now we'll see what Vegas does this year, but there is precedent for it. Alan.

B (13:19)

Well, can I tell you, Can I tell you, it's not just in hockey. Do you remember a year ago with, I think it was like three or four games left in the season, the Denver Nuggets, coming off a championship from two years prior, fired Michael Malone.

C (13:38)

That's right. That's right.

B (13:40)

And, you know, and it was just. They just felt like the team was not going the right direction, and they just. They wanted to do it before the playoffs. So they not only fire him, they fired the GM as well, because no one could get along. Everybody's disagreeing. And the Owner. The owner had had enough and made the change. Now, now it didn't lead to a championship. They were knocked out in the second round. But it has even happened in the NBA. Now. Malone had been there a long time. So it's a little bit different than this situation. But what you're talking about, and this is hypothetical, but what you're talking about is sort of a lamarillo and Steinbrenner thing.

C (14:16)

Yeah.

B (14:17)

Because all due respect, there's no one on the staff that you would elevate to a head coach. There's no one on the staff that has head coach experience. And you would need to do that, I would think. But you just said it. They're still paying tips,

C (14:38)

right.

B (14:38)

Like that would be out of the Billy Martin Steinbrenner book.

C (14:42)

Now when you're where you're at, where you're.

B (14:44)

If you're like, all right, they're back to playing the way they were last year. Anyway. Mike Brown tried to change this thing. This. I think I might have mentioned this on the show before. My cautionary tale of all this is 1995, 96 season in Knicks history because Pat Riley left, as we know, after 95 and the Knicks brought in Don Nelson. Don Nelson, very much like Mike Brown, coached successfully in other places, well known, well respected. And he came in and said, this is a team That's a top three defense and a they're 18th in offense. We need to change it up. We need to make this offense easier for this team. And he changed everything. Wanted to be up tempo. He didn't want Patrick Ewing as a centerpiece. He felt like it was too slow in plotting. He wanted the ball to move. He wanted Anthony Mason to be sort of a centerpiece. All this stuff that he had in mind and any it they were a good team actually that year they got off to a great start, very similar to this. Got off to a great start, looked great. Then all of a sudden, the middle of the season, it just started to not look right, not feel right. Players weren't happy. You know, Pat Riley was a hard driving coach who had long practices and demanding of standards and these are our rules. And Nelly came in as a former player and he was like, you know, I don't want to push these guys too hard. He didn't want to do that to them. He thought he'd back off and it would work. And it did early and then it started to fall apart and they didn't even let him finish the season. He was fired late in the year in his first year after hiring him. And that's when Jeff Van Gundy, who was an assistant, became the coach, the interim, to finish the year. And the Knicks, I believe that year was the only team in the playoffs to get a win against that Chicago Bulls team, the only team, and they only won one. So they got beaten that series. But I'm saying, like, we have seen this before. I don't expect the Knicks to do anything with Mike Brown, but it does sort of last night. I don't need to pretend like I'm coming up with this as a hot take or you are coming up with this as a hot take. What we saw last night was a team. And you heard Josh Hart after the game. I'm sure we have. The audio was you saw a team that was screaming, we don't really like what we're doing. We don't really like each other. There's something broken within that group, and that's a dangerous place to be a week before you start getting ready for the playoffs.

C (17:26)

Now, the Tib thing really makes it interesting.

B (17:29)

That's a hypothetical. It would never happen. But it's just funny.

C (17:33)

And I don't know if he'd do it. Yeah, but he is under contract, so you'd be able to save some money there. But I think letting him go is an easy. Is an easy thing. First of all, this was not your first choice. It seemed like it was anybody. But tips, and you could say there's enough of a sample size to say that Mike Brown has not worked. They are not better than they were last year in the regular season. They're not. And you know, the guys, especially Bridges, who seem to be the face of the move away from Tibbs, has not had a great year. So the response has not worked. So to me, you can't make a trade. Now, the Giannis thing, that's going to be during the off season, that's obviously another piece. But if you look at this team at the way that I do, you may look at it differently. I don't see a lot there. I see a good team. I see a playoff team. I see a team that should be able to get out of the first round, and I think they are out in the second round. That's what I see. Now, you may see something different because the east is not great. Detroit hasn't proven anything. They beat Boston last year with Tatum. So there's enough evidence to believe that maybe I'm wrong. But right now, well, they're two and

B (18:48)

one against them and they play him one more Time next week.

C (18:51)

Feel it just. It doesn't like it's there.

B (18:54)

Look, the eye test. Don, you've been watching professional sports for how long exactly? You know what you're looking. It doesn't mean you can watch hockey. You can watch the NFL, you can watch baseball, you can watch basketball. There are certain things that you just. You know what it looks like.

C (19:08)

Absolutely.

B (19:09)

And the Knicks right now are looking like that team. It's, it's. It looks like a team that has a lot of talent and can out talent. Some teams that are bad. But when you see them in these moments late in Oklahoma City early against a Charlotte team that was just. They were salivating to play you and to beat you. And then last night, to start the game. To start the game in Houston, down 1401. No, no, no. You're screaming that there's something wrong internally and it needs to be fixed because

C (19:43)

it's not just how they've played. Because I could look at certain teams that, like the 2000 Yankees, remember, they had. They won 87 games. The 2000 Yankees, they were brutal in September, but it didn't matter. They're coming off back to back World Series. As Peter would say. They were playing with their food. They didn't care.

B (20:04)

Yeah, yeah.

C (20:04)

You know, I could look at the Tampa Bay Lightning and the Dallas Stars. Teams that have been very average lately because they're locked in. They know where. They know they're going to the playoffs. They. They don't have anything to prove to anybody. Okay. They've been good for a long time. But the Knicks have not proven anything to anybody. They had one run last year. That's it. They did one thing again, I'm not trying to diminish what they did last year. They did one thing. They surprised the Boston Celtics. They were supposed to beat the Pistons. They did. They surprised the Boston Celtics. And then everybody got high and they

B (20:34)

were supposed to beat the Pacers, and they didn't.

C (20:37)

So all they did was beat the Celtics, which is not nothing, but that's all they did.

B (20:41)

Yeah.

C (20:41)

They did not build up a resume where they can mess around. Right now is when they should be building up their resume, beating teams and showing their sticking out their chest.

B (20:49)

We're ready.

C (20:50)

We're ready for the postseason and they're not. I'm running this organization. I'm looking and saying, what's the one thing I can do to create the spark and maybe make the change? I would fire Mike Brown today. Now, who do I bring in? Do I talk to Tibbs? Is There another coach that I want. Got to get that in a row. But that's the one thing that I could do. I can't just sit here and watch this team lose in the second round and then look myself in the mirror if I'm Leon Rose, if I'm Knicks management, and say I could have done something and I didn't.

B (21:19)

You. You. You're telling me that you would make that kind of a dramatic change? This. There's six games left on you, and you don't. It's one thing if there's somebody in House that just steps in. Like, again, the Van Gundy thing was because you. He already worked under Riley, so all he did was say all that stuff Nelly's doing, scrap it. Remember last year, we're going to play that way. And then, you know, from that point forward, they, you know, the rest is history, of course, because they were back to being the team they were. They did get to a finals in 99, and then they also got to the conference finals in 2000. They went back to being that team because that's what they wanted. That's who they were. That was their identity. You don't. I don't think you have that. Was Rick Brunson going to be the head coach because he's the connector to the Tibs era and just say, let's go back and play our Tibs, our Tib style, everything we did last year, let's just play that way. But we're not going to do all the things like playing guys 40 minutes and making guys, you know, run out of gas.

C (22:14)

You're telling me there isn't a John Tortorella type out there, experienced NBA coach that doesn't have a job right now? Yeah, there is jump at the chance to do there.

B (22:25)

Michael Malone ties to the organization, ties to New York.

C (22:31)

I mean, I don't. Why not? Again, if you don't go?

B (22:35)

Because I don't see it. But again, if we're playing the game, that's. If you're asking me in the hypothetical world to name somebody that you could just say, come in now, you're going to have the rest of this season, which is a week. Then you'll have a week off before the playoffs start at your minicamp to put everything, whatever in place you need to put in and play. Who would it be? Who's a guy that's out. He's the guy. It's. He's the only guy I could think of that's do it. No, I'm not saying Tibbs I said

C (23:05)

Michael Malone, but I'm saying, would Tibbs do it? Like you said, he's already under contract, knows the team. You wouldn't have to have any kind of a training camp. Hey, listen, you took us to the conference final last year, pretty much the same team. What do you say? I think he'd say, you know, go scratch myself, probably.

B (23:22)

But listen, he shouldn't, though. I'll tell you what, in the hypothetical world, in the real world, we know, if that. That call was made, he'd say, you're out of your. No, you didn't want me, I'm not coming. He'd be that stubborn. No, you're gonna pay me to not work. This is what you want. But in the hypothetical world, the smart thing for him to do to prove himself and to prove he's right and to stick in everyone's faces that wanted him fired is to say, I'll take this.

C (23:50)

I got a week.

B (23:50)

I know these guys.

C (23:52)

In a town where Billy Martin did what, five, six?

B (23:54)

Yeah, why not?

C (23:55)

You know why.

B (23:55)

You can go home again once.

C (23:57)

All right. One in a nine.

B (23:59)

One nine.

C (23:59)

Crazy.

B (24:00)

What did you just do? Don the radical.

C (24:02)

But let's hear what you have to think about and what you have to say about it. 1-800-919-3776, but Drop Madness continues. Anthony Pusick.

B (24:10)

Yes.

C (24:10)

What are the matchups today?

A (24:11)

Yes, Peter is not here, so you're stuck with me for the.

B (24:14)

Happy to be stuck with you.

A (24:15)

Four matchups in the Sweet 16 of this year's Drop Madness. Don Marco was upset yesterday. Not upset in the fact that he lost. Upset because he lost. But he has a chance to pull off an upset today because the three seed is in action against Satan Johns in the flub region. That's a 3 versus 15 to you and me.

C (24:36)

Enough with Richard. That's. That's.

A (24:40)

Look, the voters have agreed with you. There are not many drops that have gotten far for Richard in this tournament. This is one of them, though, and it's one of Peter's favorites, the funny region. We do have the two seed.

C (24:49)

He got the job, ya ass.

A (24:50)

A Don yelling drop. That could make it. Kevin Nagandi. No idea that he is the reason for a 2 seed in the funny region up against.

B (24:58)

If he was that bad, there are

A (25:00)

some fan favorites going up.

B (25:01)

This is.

A (25:02)

You know what this is because this is on the same side of the bracket. This is the yukon, Michigan State, St. John's side of the bracket. That's what. That's what we're dealing with. Here, these are. These are the blue bloods. These are the powerhouses that you're gonna have to get through in order to make it to the Elite eight. We head over to the troubling region and it's a region of me.

C (25:22)

Wait, you suck music.

A (25:24)

Up against before. Now listen, there's. There are two ways that you could think about this. It's either I know that no one respects me or because people hate me.

C (25:34)

What?

A (25:34)

Those are the two options. Either you respect me or you don't respect me or you hate me. And that's how I view both of those drops. That's a 2 versus an 11 seed. And then we head over to the Nether region and it's two of our fan favorites. We have the six seed.

C (25:48)

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

A (25:50)

Up against the seven seed.

B (25:52)

Take it off.

D (25:53)

Take it all off.

A (25:54)

That is a very interesting matchup to go up against Chris Carlin in the Nether region. DHR on ESPN on Twitter. Go vote right now at and we will find out in Enn who makes it to the Elite 8.

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B (28:10)

thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

C (28:14)

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

B (28:15)

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcast.

C (28:23)

Game Time is brought to you by Televardu Irish Whiskey because when it's game time, Alan, The Knicks, they visit the Grizzlies with coverage immediately following Dan Gross on 880 at 7:30. Mets and Cardinals are playing right now. Mets got out of a huge jam, second and third. One out got through it, so they're going to the six. That game is scoreless. Yankees have a 435 first pitch in Seattle versus the Mariners as they're looking to take two out of three from Seattle. Yankees pitching has been terrific. We'll talk about that in a little Tullamore due the original triple distilled, triple blend in and triple cast matured Irish Whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. I've got two lists today at four.

B (29:16)

Two lists, two double fisting.

C (29:19)

Sure. Then we've got what I always quite frankly prefer, an Anthony Pusick led enn.

B (29:29)

Oh yeah, at six.

C (29:31)

And we're taking you right up till seven o' clock till Dan Gross in case you're out and about. You wonder when we'll be on 880 even though you should be listening to us on the app anyway.

B (29:41)

I know. What are you doing?

C (29:42)

We will be as soon as the Met game is over. But right now that Met game is in the sixth inning in scoreless. So God knows when.

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Oh, that's gonna happen.

C (29:51)

I'm telling you. I was this way too. Oh, an app? Really? I don't want to have to be, you know. Come on, dude, it's easy. I mean, you download it, it's free, and then the second it's downloaded, listen live. Bang. You're listening.

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All you do is just tap one button. Done. And signals clear as clear As a bell.

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Well, that, that's the thing. In all the different places where you lose it, like the Lincoln Tunnel, like the Holland Tunnel, there's certain pockets where you can't get 880. Even satellite sometimes just disappears out of nowhere. Right.

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Yeah.

C (30:26)

So to have the app.

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Well, we also sound. I, I, I also think our audio sounds better in the app. I agree so much that just crystal clear.

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No matter where you are and I don't know about wherever you are.

B (30:39)

Wherever.

C (30:40)

If you, if you got WI fi on a plane, you could listen.

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Yes.

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You could be sitting on a raft in Guam.

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I don't know if you'll have.

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There is a cell phone tower in the vicinity. If there's any Internet possible.

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Right. First call for help, then hit listen live.

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Right.

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You know what I mean?

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You can call for help and still be listening live.

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That's true too.

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It's pretty special what's going on here, people. So get on board.

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I was late to or on the YouTube. You can see us there.

C (31:11)

I was a little late to it myself. Not sure. Little apprehensive, little nervous.

B (31:16)

Not you telling you.

C (31:18)

It's perfect.

D (31:19)

Mmm.

C (31:20)

He used to go through that listening to Michael driving in to the studio. He's about ready to say something really provocative.

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And then I'm in the hound Tunnel

C (31:30)

gone sign by the time I get out of the tunnel. So what do you think? 1-800-91937. Wait a minute.

B (31:37)

What did you say?

C (31:38)

But then I realized. Wait a minute. Don is not 1974.

B (31:41)

No, it's not.

C (31:42)

I've got a phone. Yeah, use the Bluetooth.

B (31:45)

It's not even 1994. It's not even 2004.

C (31:48)

Yeah. Come on, wake up. All right, let's get. Let's hear from you because dropped a little bit of a mini bomb saying

B (31:56)

that maybe that, that that was quite

C (31:57)

firing Mike Brown might be the best thing to do for this team.

B (32:00)

You said you would. No, no, that's not what you said. You said Don McGregor that's what you would do right now. That's what I would do after last night. That's. They play in Memphis tonight against a Grizzlies team. By the way, seven players are out for the season already for the Grizzlies.

C (32:15)

Oh, you know what?

B (32:16)

This is a setup, setup game for them to just easy to make a can punch it around, feel better and then come home off this trip.

C (32:23)

I, I heard that. You know, I think it was this morning.

B (32:26)

Yeah.

D (32:27)

Where.

C (32:27)

No, no. There are style points tonight, my friend. I, I Don't want to have to open the show tomorrow talking about, you know, big win for the Knicks in overtime. No, no, no, no, no.

B (32:36)

Oh, God, no.

C (32:36)

After what's been going on.

B (32:38)

Yeah. You need a 40.

C (32:39)

Point this team around by 40.

D (32:41)

Burger.

C (32:42)

Five.

B (32:42)

Yeah. 20. Oh. You all right? 25 or higher is what you're going for. You want to see? Show me something.

C (32:48)

Here's what I'll say. Because you could say 25 and then they bench everybody at the end and 25 becomes 14.

B (32:55)

I get it.

C (32:55)

I want a. No doubt. I want. There is never a moment, wire to wire victory that there's any concern about this team.

B (33:03)

I'm with you. Look at the lineup that Memphis is putting out right now. It is. You won't be able to name any, any of the players like they, they aren't playing anybody taller than six, nine. Okay. So there's. This is a zero excuse game. Josh Hart said it as such last night. He called it a must win.

D (33:20)

Right.

B (33:21)

Just for their own. Just for their own mental well being. They needed a game where they just blow a team out. Now here's the problem. They had a seven game stretch against teams with a losing record. We've talked about that ad nauseum. You know what the problem was in that seven game stretch? Many of the first quarters they were trailing, they still won by 13 on average of 13 points a game. But the starts of these games were like you. We always say bat and the bunny where the other team had, like Golden State had, where they play with nobody and guys are just making threes and they're laughing and high five and you're going, what are we doing? Should be up by 25 by now. And instead you have to work your way back. Yeah. You blow them out late because they're not trying to win. But you can't. Like that can't happen tonight. Tonight has to be a no brainer out of the gate, wire to wire win. And I'm with you. It should be a blowout win. This Grizzlies team should not be on the court with you. That's how mad you should play tonight.

C (34:16)

Yeah. And that's why there is no slow start. Sorry. You just gotta pulverize this team early.

B (34:21)

Right.

C (34:22)

And if you want to mess around in the second half and maybe it looks a little closer than it should be, but there should be zero doubt at all. Juan Soto solo home run for the Mets in the top of the sixth inning. So they get out of a jam in the bottom of the first.

B (34:36)

Okay.

C (34:36)

Soto With a home run. Hits the foul pole.

B (34:38)

All right.

C (34:39)

Lindor got picked off though, at first

B (34:41)

base before the home run takes away the rbi. See, he doesn't.

C (34:45)

Not only does Lindor and Soto not get along, they're also telepathic. Right. And they also can see the future, which is awesome. Lindor's like, he's going to hit home run, man.

B (34:54)

I love it.

C (34:55)

No, two run, home run. I'm getting picked on. And you know what's funny? I'm joking, Alan. But when you see Lindor get picked off, no one's gotten more picked off than Lundor was picked off, like, bad. He's got. He's got like a seven foot lead and never moved. He got tagged out. The first baseman caught the ball and walked up to him and tagged him out.

B (35:14)

Did. Did he then walk back to the dugout looking at Soto like, there goes your rbi?

C (35:19)

No, I. I didn't show that. But they did. They work. Give Smy a lot of credit. The first person they showed in the dugout after the home run was so. So what did he do? We're making this up. People like, Sny knows.

B (35:31)

Everybody, Everybody knows it's a thing.

C (35:33)

Right?

B (35:33)

But what was he doing? Was he celebrating? He was clapping.

C (35:35)

He was clapping. Yeah.

B (35:36)

All right, so. Because he knows the camera was on him, make it look good. Make it look good for a second.

C (35:42)

He even knows. He's been around long enough to know. They're gonna put the camera on me every time Soto does something. All right, listen, I know it's radical, but again, you saw the Vegas Golden Knights do it. The Devils have done it. The Nuggets have done it does happen.

B (35:54)

It does.

C (35:54)

And what do you look again, That's a lot of money to spend. How many years left on his contract?

B (35:58)

I believe it was a five year

C (35:59)

deal, you know, so it's a lot of money to eat. You're already paying Tibbs. But again, they got rid of Tibbs after just giving him a contract extension the year before.

B (36:06)

Yeah, but if you feel like you don't like what's going on here and you think that it's because of the coach trying to bring in a system that didn't fit the players and the players not being comfortable and one of your star players in towns, you saying with six games to go, you know, I'm still trying to figure out my role. Still trying to figure out your role. Like, there's a lot going on with this team and, you know, like, there are some places that they might look and go this is heading in the wrong direction. This window for us is not going to get any more open than it is this year. We had a chance last year and didn't get there. We can't kick away another season and then come say, oh, we'll just come back next year. But, like, if there's urgency about winning now, that's a conversation that might be had. You. You said. I'm quoting you, Don. That if it were you, you'd do it now.

C (36:59)

I would do it.

B (37:00)

You wouldn't waste any more time because you would show the team.

C (37:03)

What am I saying?

B (37:04)

We are urgent about winning now.

C (37:06)

Because, again, what am I losing? All right. Mike Brown was my first choice. Money. And that's not nothing.

B (37:14)

Yeah, but the way I would look

C (37:15)

at it and say is I didn't want Tibbs to be my coach anymore. I went through basically every coach that was under contract in the NBA.

B (37:24)

Started with Jason Kidd.

C (37:25)

I landed on Mike Brown not because I thought Mike Brown was the answer, but because we were starting to run out of options. What am I holding on to him for? If I need a spark now, Is there somebody out there? Is Malone an answer? Do you go the whole Jeff Van Gundy route? Do you actually call Tibbs back? I just got. I got to have a. I just can't sit here, watch this team fail in the postseason as an owner, as an executive, and say, I could have done something, and I didn't. My gut tells me this team isn't going anywhere. This team is going to the second round and done. And if that were to happen, let's say if they get bounced in the first round, he's probably out of a job anyway. G in the Bronx is saying that. You start us off here on Don Juan and Rosenberg. You think if they lose in the first round, he's gone, right?

D (38:09)

Yes, I. First of all. Hey, fellas. How y' all doing?

C (38:11)

What's up?

D (38:12)

Well, yes, I do. I do agree with Don wholeheartedly. In. In an imaginary world, he should be gone right now. He should be gone right now. And Rick Brunson, get the clipboard. Get ready to coach. But, yes, if he loses in the first round, he should be gone. I mean, yes, he has the same record as Tibo, but this is more of a question for Allen. Just because you've been around the team, I feel like they don't have no swagger. They had a culture last year when facing the Knicks. I feel like teams were a little scared. Now I just think that Mike Brown is a. I'm Happy to be here type of guy. I think they lost all their swagger, all of their swagger. Just wonder what you think about that, Alan.

B (38:48)

I think it's fair to point out that this is a team that doesn't really play with a consistent edge, but we have seen it. And I think that's what's intoxicating about this team is that there are. There are games this year and it's not like it's not a handful of games. It's. It's, you know, it's a lot of games where they've played and you're like, when they play like that, like, they get physical. They get after it. They just bombard you with just spray out threes. They play at a better pace. There's something about them at times that just gives you this sense of this team could be really good. It's just not enough. So there's those games like in Charlotte or even last night's first quarter, where they just sort of are out there physically but not out there mentally. They're not out there with any type of aggression. They're just sort of out there and you're just like, where's the life in this team? That's what's frustrating about them. So the team two years ago, when they had even Shinzo and they had Hartenstein and they like, they had an edge about them, they were kind of nasty, they were looking for the fight. They had an underdog mentality about them because it was still kind of new. What they have. What they had last year was a little more professional, but definitely in the playoffs, you saw a team that just knew they had a lot of talent. They relied on it and it worked. But they also had mental lapses and it looked like they broke down physically. This year's team had had moments where, I'm telling you, Don, and I've said this on the show, early in the season, wasn't I saying this might be the best offensive team this franchise has ever had?

C (40:34)

Right.

B (40:35)

They literally were on pace for that. They, their numbers statistically this year tell you this is one of the great statistical seasons in franchise history. But the eyes tell you his team doesn't bring it every night. And that's the most maddening thing.

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C (42:51)

It's interesting the reaction on social media to this album. Yeah, Ian or I and I'm not sure how he pronounces it I A n sure. DiMartino says you know to the comment because I guess Nick's Nation quoted me I would fire Mike Brown today. Don Negreca on DHR and ESPN and Ian Orion says that's ridiculous. I'm not super happy with Mike Brown, but firing him now would be asinine. What a ridiculous attention seeking take. Why is it so ridiculous when we've seen it done? The Nuggets won a championship. Malone fire. Cassidy won a championship with Vegas fired him. Devils were in first place. Fire for Torque with Larry Robinson. If you are unhappy with the coach, why not do it all right again

B (43:40)

I don't know if it'll work but you're saying if. That's the key, key part is you saying if you're unhappy, right?

C (43:46)

And what does the team look happy with? Because the way the full quote is, if I'm running the Knicks and I'm unhappy with Mike Brown, I'm not being intimidated by the fact that there's only six games left. I can't fire him. Why not? If you've got somebody else in mind, you've got six games left. I think no matter what, they're winning their first round series. And if not, you're going to fire them anyway. The only thing is, if you don't, if you have a problem, Mike Brown, why wouldn't you do it? I think there's a stigma to. Well, that'd be ridiculous. There's only six games left. We've seen it done before. So you get to sit back, let see that there's a problem, not do anything about it. And then, oh, if they do lose in the first round or the second round, you're unhappy, you're going to fire them anyway. Like, so why wouldn't you be proactive rather than being intimidated by doing something that there's this perception that you don't do that. Well, you do it. For all I know, Vegas gonna win the cup this year. The Devils won the cup when they did it. Now, excuse me, the Nuggets did it. They lost in the second round.

B (44:50)

Right.

C (44:51)

But if you're unhappy, Allen, why wouldn't you do it?

B (44:57)

It's more of if you're concerned about the direction of the team, and that's what I think is gotta be. The question is, are you concerned? Now, the only person that can answer this, of course, is Leon Rose. Are you concerned with the direction of the team and how they're playing as we're going down the stretch? Because I think last year at this time, they were also stumbling a bit down the stretch. And remember, they were playing without Jalen Brunson down the stretch. But there was concern about how they were playing and what it looked like. And yet when the playoffs came, they went back to being who they were and there weren't concerns. And so I just, I would think that what they're probably thinking, this is just a guess, but they're probably thinking in the front office is we've seen this group do this and then we've seen them when the lights turn on and when, when it gets real, we've seen them dial it up. But that team was coached by someone else, so will we see them do this for Mike Brown. That's what remains to be seen. But if the players are doing what they're doing last night, there's video out, like, so people have. There were people at the game last night in Houston that took video of the Nick Bench and confidently Towns, at times during a huddle, was sitting off to the side, wasn't in the huddle. That's bad body language. Josh Hart in the huddle is imploring his team about things. And then after the game, you hear the stuff that Josh Hart's saying after the game, like talking about how tonight's a must win and how that he doesn't like the direction they're going in. Those are things that, to me, would be alarming about. Do you like the direction this team is headed right now?

C (46:45)

And all I'm saying is that if you're unhappy with Mike Brown, I see no reason not to do it. I'm not demanding the Knicks do it, but I'm saying if I don't know if they're unhappy with a problem with the coach, then I'm not being intimidated by the fact that the only six games left.

B (47:02)

And that's the big question that. That Leon Rose is going to have to answer when they get to the off season, is, is it the coach that you aren't happy with, or is it the roster that you're not happy with?

C (47:12)

You know, and, you know, and they, you know, they've. They've made changes and tinker with that, too. And there's a. There's a big tinkering that may go on this offseason as well. Let's go to Manny and Flushing. You're on espn, New York.

D (47:24)

Hey, guys. How y' all doing?

C (47:26)

What's up?

D (47:27)

Listen, if you fire my ground, I think it's a sign of guilt of film, meaning that you kind of regret a flame go upstairs.

C (47:39)

Well, remember, this wasn't your. You didn't say, I'm getting rid of Tibbs because I think Mike Brown can do better. You eventually landed on Mike Brown, right? This wasn't. I'm firing Tibbs. I'm bringing in Mike Brown. Then I could say, well, geez, why did they lose so much patience in him? We don't know. Was. Was Mike Brown a last resort they had to find a coach. Clearly, Mike Brown was not the answer when they fired Tips. Correct. Otherwise, Tibbs would. Brown would have been announced as a coach. But they talked to Jason Kidd and how many other guys before finally, yeah, they zeroed in on Brown.

B (48:14)

Definitely. There was. There was definitely enough Reporting evidence that said that they were talking almost like, I believe it was. Jason Kidd was one, it was. Chris Finch was another one. They were asking permission to talk to coaches who had jobs. And they were not allowed by all these teams to talk to those coaches. And when it reached a point of, well, who's a coach that I don't have to get permission to talk to? Mike Brown was one of those names. And they got. Once they brought him in to interview him, he became the guy.

C (48:48)

That's it. So let's squeeze in Blair and Plainfield. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Blair?

D (48:54)

Hey, guys. Hey, Alan. I'm glad you're here because the last time I called in January, Don and Peter killed me for calling Mike Brown a sycophant. But the bottom line is this. You know, your mom says if somebody gives you something, make sure you return it in a better condition that they gave it to you. Brown inherited a team that was a contending team that played defense, decent offense, and now Brown comes in with some kind of muddled plan that one of his best players, who's an all star, has to beg and has to stand up and demand the ball. Why not? Here's an idea. Why not come with a scheme that everybody understands, that takes. That brings up the best in your players? First of all, because I don't see it. But here's the thing. I do agree with you. Malone is the man, but the timing is. I don't think it's the right time to do it because they already muddled up. I don't know how they came up with this idea that you're going to go to coaches that are already under contract to get them here. But let's not make it worse. You know what I'm saying?

B (49:54)

I don't mind that part. I didn't mind that part because I've always said this consistently. I've always said this. When you're a New York franchise, you operate differently than everybody else. Is it arrogant? Yes, it is. But that's reality. And you say, I want the best of the best, and therefore I will make it clear that even if you have a job, I mean, we've seen major corporations do this. They go ahead and find. They go get somebody that's running another company. But I want you here. And do you want to be here? And sometimes you'll get somebody. Say, you know what? That's a dream job. I want it. And normally the team or the company, whatever it is, lets you out of your deal sometimes they don't. But that creates animosity. So the Knicks were hoping to do the same thing. Who are the best coaches that we can identify out there that we want? And we're going to go in and we're just going to, you know, throw some muscle around and say, hey, we want you. Do you want to come play for us? Tell your team that you want out. And you know, the opportunities that the Knicks tried to provide for some coaches, they they were told no. It's as simple as that.

C (50:54)

Sometimes they say yes, and there's nothing wrong with that's right.

B (50:57)

I always say go for the best. I'd rather be told no than not. Than not. Ask and find out.

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