Hour 1: Knicks Statement Win

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 1: Knicks Statement Win

ESPN New York | April 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the New York Knicks’ impressive statement win over the red-hot Atlanta Hawks, dissecting playoff implications, team performance, and the importance of Karl-Anthony Towns (“Cat”). Hosted by Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, and Don La Greca, the trio blend sharp sports analysis with their signature wit, also touching on headline news in hockey and baseball, and sharing personal anecdotes to keep things lively.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Knicks’ Statement Win Against the Hawks

(12:20–19:56; returns at 31:20–53:32)

• The hosts highlight the significance of the Knicks’ hard-fought win over an Atlanta Hawks team that had won 18 of 20 games and boasted the NBA’s top defense during that stretch.
• Alan Hahn (13:27): “Let me remind everybody that the Atlanta Hawks came into that game winners of 18 of their last 20 games… They also had the best defense in the league over that stretch.”
• The group pushes back against fans who minimized the win because Atlanta is "not a top seed," arguing that informed fans should respect how tough the matchup really was.
• Playoff implications are discussed, with Hahn emphasizing the importance of seeding and defending the choice to avoid Atlanta in the first round:
  Alan Hahn (15:03): “You're out of your mind if you want to be the fourth seed. No way. I'll take the Sixers… over that Hawks team all day long.”

The Cat Factor: Unlocking the Knicks’ Ceiling

(16:28–37:12 | 31:20–37:12)

• The critical role of Karl-Anthony Towns in the Knicks' system is analyzed. More action was run through him, and his offensive and defensive engagement made the team dynamic.
  • Alan Hahn (17:36): “Cat was very active. Early in the game he felt part of it… he had three assists, was involved in action, screens moving… you saw a guy that now was engaged defensively and made a couple of really important defensive plays."
• The chemistry between Brunson and Towns, especially in the two-man game, left the Hawks scrambling defensively.
  • Alan Hahn (34:04): “He does the skill part like the finesse. But he still does something that… in this game, rebounding is effort and determination and physicality. And this guy… is number two in the league in rebounding and leading the league in double-doubles this season.”
• The question then becomes: Can Towns stay consistent through the playoffs?
  • Don Hahn (35:33): “If he brings that every night, this team competes for a championship.”
  • Adam Rosenberg (35:59): “Just from following sports, when you are that way, you’re that way for life… but I don’t need the rest of your life – just two months!”

Team Flaws, Potential & Playoff Realism

(51:20–53:32)

• Listeners and hosts acknowledge the Knicks’ maddening inconsistency: moments of brilliance countered by careless turnovers and sometimes shoddy defense.
  • Caller Paul (52:04): “If Cat’s doing this, if they're rotating like this, we could take on anyone in the East. But… there were other moments… they flipped back into turning the ball over unforced…"
  • Alan Hahn (53:16): “No, they're not [perfect]. They’re wonderfully flawed.”
  • Adam Rosenberg (53:18): “A talented team that if they could put it together can make a run, but… could be an early exit. That’s why they are so maddening and fascinating at the same time.”

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New York Hockey — Organizational Change & Uncertainty

(06:02–12:07)

• Don and Alan break down the Devils’ late-season firing of GM Tom Fitzgerald—surprising due to its timing and emotional impact on the team, not the least because Fitzgerald was highly connected to much of the core roster.
  • Adam Rosenberg (07:53): “There is an emotional side to it and it sucks to see… When you look at sports now, Peter, sometimes you bring in a president… then a GM. Maybe a guy comes in, does both. No interim. So they're looking right now.”
• Discussion broadens to recent NHL front-office firings, the impact on player morale, and speculation about who the Devils might target for their next leadership team.

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Mets & Yankees — Weather Woes and Fan Service

(20:46–24:49)

• The hosts outline the Mets adjusting game time to dodge cold weather for the fans' and players' sake, contrasting that with the Yankees' decision to keep their night slot.
  • Adam Rosenberg (21:54): “Trying to figure that… What do you think their logic is with the Yankees?”
  • Don Hahn (22:26): “The Mets not only, you know, would allow you a refund. They also gave away tickets to these two games… to show appreciation of the fan base.”
• They jest about possible motivations for each franchise, with the Yankees’ lack of communication coming across as typical.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Alan Hahn (16:18): “I thought vanilla. And you just want to see, can you raise your level effort wise and just try to out talent them? And that didn’t happen.”
• Don Hahn (33:18): “No pressure, Cat. But if you do that, if he brings that every night this team competes for a championship. In my opinion, that is.”
• Adam Rosenberg (35:25): “He’s an enigma, but is also a unicorn. He’s a unicorn that at that height can shoot so well from the perimeter and yet not every night.”
• Alan Hahn (34:42): “He talks a lot, he flails a lot, but he goes hard. If he could bring this every night. We are… they’re a two superstar team.”
• Adam Rosenberg (53:18): “They constantly remind you that if they don’t put it together it could be an early exit. That’s why they are so maddening and fascinating at the same time.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Knicks-Hawks Game Analysis & Stakes: 12:20–19:56, 31:20–41:09
• Karl-Anthony Towns Impact Debate: 16:28–37:12
• Fan Calls on Knicks Consistency & Playoff Hopes: 31:20–39:56, 51:20–53:32
• Devils GM Firing & NHL Coaching Carousel: 06:02–12:07
• Mets/Yankees Weather Decisions: 20:46–24:49
• Humor & Personal Life Stories (Moving, Kids, Social Media): 03:35–05:15, 49:00–53:00
• YouTube/Couch Photo Banter: 45:06–47:45
• Drop Madness Reflection: 46:33–47:45

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain their signature banter, mixing incisive sports analysis with humor, candid admissions, and relatable stories. They aren’t afraid to poke fun at each other or their teams, yet consistently bring sharp perspective grounded in their media and sports experience.

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Summary Takeaway

The Knicks’ big win over the Hawks marks a team peaking at the right time, primarily due to unlocking Towns offensively and defensively—a key to their playoff ceiling. Yet, ongoing flaws remain. The episode also deftly covers shifting tides for the Devils and the fan experience around the Mets/Yankees, all through the lens of New York’s passionate and idiosyncratic sports culture.

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

you're a filth bag.

[Adam Rosenberg]

You're a sex star filth bag.

[Alan Hahn]

Han, the guy's gonna be 41 flicking

[Podcast Host/Producer]

it and Rosenberg, go look at Redfer

[Don Hahn]

in that movie right now. You'll want to hook up with him.

[Adam Rosenberg]

This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Podcast Host/Producer]

This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Caller/Listener]

The best threesome I've ever heard on

[Podcast Host/Producer]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Adam Rosenberg]

3 o' clock in the big city. It's Donaton and Rosenberg until 7. Why do you say wait a min? What about the Mets? All the Mets. Mets realized they got a sense of cold and hot and said, you know what I don't want to put my fans and my players into, you know. Feels like 29 with 22 degree win. So their game starts at 4 o'. Clock. So we're on 880 until 3:30 and then you're going to have to flip over to the app or consume us on YouTube, which is very easy in a way you should be doing it anyway. But because of the Mets Moving on to 880, we're with you for Full Frontal today and we're going to need every second of it. What's up boys?

[Alan Hahn]

We got plenty. Plenty to discuss.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Hi guys.

[Alan Hahn]

Lots of really.

[Don Hahn]

It's more high guys.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Zesty, you know, because I'm looking at Han's hair and I'm like, listen, if I ever were, I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

Actually, you, you think he looks better with the hair like that? Fantastic.

[Adam Rosenberg]

He's never looked better.

[Alan Hahn]

Nugget too long.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's not.

[Adam Rosenberg]

He's.

[Don Hahn]

You're off on something. It's more like. You're not on. You didn't do. When did you do tv?

[Alan Hahn]

This morning.

[Don Hahn]

This morning. It's been a long day. It's been a day and you're done doing stuff, right?

[Adam Rosenberg]

Well, he still has four hours of this.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm not done. This is, this is primary.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I mean no more primary job.

[Don Hahn]

I mean after this, no more television.

[Alan Hahn]

Nothing after today, after tonight.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I think, I think your hair looks like when you're not doing tv. Like, you, you like.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, well, I, I did. I shuffled home, got in a quick workout.

[Don Hahn]

Look at you.

[Alan Hahn]

So of course, you know, get a little sweaty, but no shower, bird bath. So is that all right?

[Don Hahn]

So just to be clear. Yeah, so I just want to be clear here.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys don't mind, do you?

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no, I don't mind, but I just want to be clear. I don't have much time. Hold on. But just so you know who's right when it comes to these things.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Don said. Don did. Don specifically goes, you look extra good today.

[Alan Hahn]

Extra good.

[Don Hahn]

I went not so sure. It turns out he worked out and had a bird bath. I was actually right.

[Alan Hahn]

The makeup's off. Like, yeah, no, I could tell. I think he looks right this morning.

[Don Hahn]

You just like original musk.

[Adam Rosenberg]

No, I could have my hair being a little fuller. I, I, I like the work done, Alan. How about that?

[Don Hahn]

It worked out.

[Adam Rosenberg]

You like, worked on, work done meaning, like, you know, like, it needs a little work.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you know, like.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that it's not perfect. Little messy.

[Adam Rosenberg]

You know, listen, they've seen a few things, all right?

[Don Hahn]

This version of Alan throw some stuff. Listen to each.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, this time of year for me is hamster wheel time. I mean, it's, it's. We're getting.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, it's not even started yet.

[Alan Hahn]

No, well, it'. It gets real in two weeks when the playoffs begin and the get up schedule becomes more than just once a week, so. Well, listen, which is what we look forward to. This is the best time of year

[Adam Rosenberg]

for all of us.

[Don Hahn]

Well, listen, I might as well find some. A midday job, because one of the great things about. We found some help in the house now with the baby, which is fantastic.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

You also know we moved back to our old apartment, which is smaller.

[Alan Hahn]

I heard a rumor.

[Don Hahn]

I got guys, there's nowhere for me

[Alan Hahn]

to be, no space.

[Don Hahn]

We have the nannies there, babies there. Natalie's in and out. What am I gonna do? I offer. No, I offer nothing to anyone. It's. I gotta go, so I might as well get a midday job. I might start doing middays on, like, ktu, you know what I mean? Why not start playing. Start playing some hits for the people. I was out today. I had a meeting somewhere. I won't say where, but I was bouncing around midtown and walked right by Christopher Mad Dog Russo.

[Alan Hahn]

And nothing.

[Don Hahn]

I gave him eye contact, thinking, will, is there any chance he'll see me in and Think. Is that the guy who used to do something with Michael?

[Alan Hahn]

Peter, how you doing?

[Don Hahn]

Not so much. No, no, nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

Was he aware of you prior to like you seeing him repeatedly at ESPN when you first started seeing him there? Was he aware or was it like a blank, sort of a blank stare?

[Alan Hahn]

No, he made that abundantly clear, which a pleasant surprise to me that he did know you. The minute he walked into the green room, the first time that I was in the green room in the old place, and he walked in right away, said hello and just started talking to me as if he's known me for

[Don Hahn]

20 years about just everything, Everything.

[Alan Hahn]

You know how he is. He just comes in and he just. He's a ball of energy. So that was. That was a pleasantly surprising.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I didn't get really nice. I didn't get that pleasant surprise. It would have been a surprise.

[Alan Hahn]

I just. Probably because a lot of people in the business consume. I think I have to catch up on the Knicks. So what do they do? They put on the post game show?

[Don Hahn]

No, no, it makes sense.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Why?

[Alan Hahn]

Very easy to just. I'm not see me there total.

[Don Hahn]

It makes a lot of sense. Why he would be familiar with the work of Alan Hahn and not the work of Schlubadoodle Do.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he was, you know, into wrestling. He would certainly have.

[Don Hahn]

That's. Well, I have been on ESPN New York for the last decade, but.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, but I'm saying, like, sure, I

[Adam Rosenberg]

was on the Michael K Show for 20 years and at the anniversary, in front of 200 paid customers and fans turned and said, I had no idea you were this involved in the show.

[Don Hahn]

I think it was more than 200,

[Adam Rosenberg]

so hold my beer. You just got ignored.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, yeah. I thought you only did the updates there, Donnie.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Really?

[Alan Hahn]

They let you talk.

[Don Hahn]

Letting you talk a lot. Donnie, for an update guy.

[Alan Hahn]

Speaking of. Let you talk. Along with all the other stuff going on, though, and the Islanders firing their coach, which was a big shock late in the season. The Devils made a very bold move yesterday. Don McGregor.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Well, bold in the sense that it came with four, five games left in the season. But Tom Fitzgerald, or Fitz, as he likes to be called, Fitzy, was fired as general manager of the New Jersey Devils. So they're looking for. It could be a president slash general manager. They could bring in a president and then the president bring in a general manager. So I was over there this morning and I was. It was really crazy how emotional everybody was because, you know, the guys that talked, Jack and Luke Hughes, Timo Meyer, Nico Hecher, I mean, all of them were either drafted by, signed by, extended by acquired, right, Tom Fitzgerald, like so. And they all were close to him. And listen, whenever there's a shake up like that, you know, nobody knows what else could be looming. I mean, probably Sheldon Keefe was, you know, I thought very emotional too. He doesn't know. He literally doesn't know now. And I'm sure fans are going to be like, well, yeah, you're missing the playoffs. He should know that he might be losing his job. I get it. But you know, teams playing well, general manager goes, new regime comes in, might love him, might hate him. So there's a lot of up in the air with the five games left. They're still mathematically alive, but they're not going to make it. But I will say, because I get asked by a lot of people, like, what do I think? Hey, there were expectations, missed the playoffs. These things happen. Unless you're Don Shula, you get hired to be fired. So I don't think anybody should be shocked. And this is the way the business goes. But you know, it was emotional for a lot of people, myself included. The day I got the job, he reached out to me.

[Don Hahn]

Wow, really?

[Adam Rosenberg]

You know, he didn't have me, so. And we always got along with each other and he, I was always bend his ear about hockey, whatever. So there's the business side of it and that could be debated certainly. But there is an emotional side to it and it sucks to see.

[Alan Hahn]

I go, wasn't he like the Assistant GM and the elevated GMunder?

[Adam Rosenberg]

This is around the one year anniversary that we lost Ray. So it was a very emotional day over at the Rock. You know, Ray Shiro, of course for Gerald, passed away, you know, fairly recently. And then so it's a shakeup. It happens. And I thought Sheldon Keefe was very good to say, hey, it's on me, you know, if we're winning, we're going to the playoffs. This doesn't happen, you know, so we put ourselves in this situation. Players to a man that I talked to, I just said, you know, Nico's the captain, Jack Hughes, best player on the team, Luke's his brother, you know, Timo Meyer is a significant piece. All said, hey, if we played better, this wouldn't happen, you know, so you can't sit there and blame or complain. Just say, hey, it's on us, man. They're gonna miss the playoffs. Very disappointing season. And that's why the fans want to see change. And we saw the first shoe drop. Maybe it'll be the only shoe. Maybe there'll be others, but, you know, it's pretty significant. So I. I wanted to go over there today to get a feel for it. And a lot of people were pretty emotional. You've been close to organizations before, Peter. You too, as well?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Whether it's deserved or not, that's always up for debate. But when things like that happen, it's

[Alan Hahn]

felt among the organization on the island. When Patrick Waugh, who's a legend in the sport, obviously as a goaltender, but that's what all the players are saying there, too. Matt Barzell, he's like, it's on us. It's our fault. Like, you know, there's been a lot of whispers that did he lose the room? And all those things, but all the players just kept saying the same thing, is that the guy worked hard, he wanted it badly, he put everything into it. We weren't good enough and they have to wear it and they have to carry it. And it's all part of the business, of course, but still, it's. When it happens. If. When it happens in the off season, everybody left, it's a little different. The fact that it happens and, you know, the season's almost over and it, like, that's the first shoe to drop. It generally isn't the last. It is a very interesting move. And then now, of course, there's like, where do you go from here? Because there's some. There's a lot of talent on that roster. Donnie.

[Adam Rosenberg]

There's a lot of talent. It's a really good job.

[Alan Hahn]

And this run they're having towards the end of the season is kind of showing you when they're healthy, it's a pretty good team.

[Adam Rosenberg]

It's a very attractive. There's some big names out there. I mean, obviously, you know, Brendan Shanahan, he's somebody that gets thrown out there. Former Devil. He was there for John McClain's night. A lot of different people are going to be very, very interested. Mehta, who is the assistant general manager of Florida under Barry Zito, he's a local kid.

[Alan Hahn]

This isn't a, like president and then get somebody to do front office stuff for you.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That could happen, too.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not a crazy thought.

[Adam Rosenberg]

There's a lot. A lot of thoughts. The. What is it Meyer with from Golden State? Oh, Bob Myers, he's involved in it. Like, there's a lot. There's the business because again. And that's also. When you look at sports now, Peter, it's that sometimes you bring in the president General president and he brings in a gm. Sometimes you get somebody to do both. Remember the Rangers, they had the structure of John Davidson was the president and Jeff Gordon was the general manager. Maybe a guy comes in, does. They've got you, you've got to. There's no interim. So they're looking right now. And part of the reason they let Fitz go when they did is because this gives him a fighting chance to get a job someplace else. A lot of rumors around Nashville, he was their first captain. So that's. And make no mistake, the Patrick Wall was let go to try to create a spark, bringing DeBoer. They couldn't afford to wait because DeBoer was going to be gone like three seconds after the season is over. Tortorella in Vegas, he wouldn't have been around for Vegas if they waited till they got bounced in the first round about it.

[Alan Hahn]

What, Cassidy's the only one left. That's really like a high level, available coach, right?

[Adam Rosenberg]

These guys. I'm telling you, we were joking at the skate today when we're flying home from Boston, that's our last game. Next Tuesday, we're going to land, turn on our phones, and we're going to see seven coaches got fired. Five of them have already been filled. That's going to happen so quickly. So that's the luck of Tom Fitzgerald in New Jersey. I know a lot of the fans are happy. They were not thrilled with some of his moves or whatever, but, you know, he was a good man.

[Don Hahn]

He was.

[Adam Rosenberg]

And he treated me well. And we'll see if it ends up being the right move, the wrong move. But things have to happen when you have a disappointing season. The Knicks are trying to avoid a disappointing season, and I got to tell

[Alan Hahn]

you, well, they have 51 wins.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That hit different last night.

[Alan Hahn]

It did, it did. And now it's so funny, too, because so many of friends of mine who are Knicks fans, and I actually saw it on our chat last night after the game was over, which was funny to me because, like, I'm watching this game and I'm saying, like, this game was from start to finish, competitive, fun. Like this is what you're looking for. Not, you know, the playing the Wizards or the Grizzlies, you know, which we've seen maybe too much of in the last couple of weeks. This was a hell of a game. Let me remind everybody that the Atlanta Hawks came into that game winners of 18 of their last 20 games. 20 is a quarter of the season.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That's a lot.

[Alan Hahn]

They also had the best defense in the league over that stretch. You know, they have been a different team since they traded Trae Young and they rose from 10th to fifth with a shot, although last night's loss didn't help them. A shot at fourth. So they have been one of the hottest teams in the league. They haven't lost at home since February 20th.

[Caller/Listener]

Sheesh.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That's six weeks ago to you and me.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean?

[Don Hahn]

If it was a day, if it

[Alan Hahn]

was a day, like right after the All Star break, one loss, that's it. So they all those things were setting up last night and then on top of it, freaking CJ McCollum. CJ McCollum hits a three quarter court off the glass. That, I mean, you're not trying to foul there. You're not trying to do anything. You're just like, there's one second left. Go ahead, throw one from half court. You're not making it. He banked it in total luck shot, but it didn't count. But. So it was, it was a great game. It was a fun game and it was the first time. Although in some of these other games, OKC and some they've, when they've played a good team, the Knicks have really battled. But this was another level that I saw out of them from start to finish rotations. The players who came in the game that felt like, this is a ramp up for the playoffs. A lot of people wanted to say it was a playoff game. I wouldn't call that a playoff game. But it was definitely ramping up to a playoff game that was good to see and they won it, which was also an important part of it. But yet it still felt like people were disappointed because you almost, almost had

[Adam Rosenberg]

to go to we got to stop.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, yo, that team's good.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Sometimes you wonder, honestly, and I don't mean to jump anybody, but when you hear that reaction, you wonder if some people actually pay attention to other teams besides the Knicks and the Celtics and OKC this morning because you just outlined why you should get excited about beating the Atlanta Hawks and why you should try to avoid having to play them in the first round.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, you're out of your mind if you want to be the fourth seed. No way. Like, like, no, I'll take the Sixers even with the fact that they have a healthy Paul Jordan. I'll take that over that Hawks team all day long.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But you know, I saw this on social media and this is. And usually when I see gripes from fans, I kind of roll my eyes. But I think this was a legitimate.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That will jump the Knicks. If they lost last night, we'd have jumped all over.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But when they win, it's like, oh, well, no, there are certain times now I'm not celebrating, you know, beating the Sacramento Kings by 20.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But there's nothing wrong. It was, first of all, great game. I thought, I thought Cat after the game was hilarious. Like the interview, the postgame, you know, just like shouting out his dad. Hell of a game that I like. That was, that was cool. Like you can have those moments and you know, I still don't know why it takes so long for him to be on the same page with everybody. But you know what? He played well, the team played well, it's a nice win. And then, you know, whatever these next three are, there are.

[Don Hahn]

And remembering that this is a team you could be seeing in such a short time to see them put up that effort. Because we talked about yesterday, off the air at least and a little bit on the air. What are they going to show you?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I was curious and you know what? I thought straight vanilla. Remember I told you?

[Don Hahn]

Really?

[Alan Hahn]

What are you going to get out of this?

[Don Hahn]

You said you expected very vanilla.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought vanilla. And you just want to see, can you raise your level effort wise and just try to out talent them? And that didn't happen.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Did they show too much?

[Alan Hahn]

No, I think it was almost like a little bit of a. Like here's what you should expect because we need to see it in live action, right? So you as a coach, you want to play it and you want to play it against a good defensive team. Let's see how they deal with this. And I, I've wondered all year why they haven't done this. And they finally did it and they did it. Almost 30 minutes of it out of the 48 minute game. They were doing this and the Hawks couldn't do a damn thing with it. And it was very simple. Take your two best players and put them in action together on offense and make the defense choose your poison. Which way are you going to go? Well, you know, you got to double Brunson. They were trying to trap him early in the game. So Brunson wasn't really a big part of the offense scoring wise, but Towns was. And Towns is like, wait, you're going to double him? You're leaving me with this little dude and I'm just going to drive to the basket all day long. And when you bring another double, they help. I'm kicking it out and we're going to knock down threes. The problem was early on, the Knicks couldn't make any of those threes. Ton of open threes off of just 2, 2 passes. The offense looked spectacular, not just good, it was unreal.

[Don Hahn]

And Cat was very active.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's why after the game he was so happy, because early in the game he felt part of it and it wasn't like he had to score a ton. In fact, I think he only took three shots in the first quarter, but he had three assists. He was passing the ball, he was making decisions, he was involved in action, screens moving. He felt part of it. And I'm telling you, when you, when we've wondered all year, when are they going to get him involved more offensively, especially early in the game. You saw it last night and then all of a sudden what you saw from him is a guy that now was engaged defensively and made a couple of really important defensive plays throughout the game. And so now you have an engaged team where everybody feels part of it. And Brunson still, when there was five minutes to go, could still be that guy and scored 14 of the last 16 points, clutch bucket after clutch bucket, and they won the game. That's the formula. To me, if you're going to be a team that is expected to make a run and you want to see it. That's what I saw last night against a really good defensive team that's got a ton of length and has been playing high level defense for the better part of the last quarter of the season. It was a very impressive win. It was one that you needed to see. And I don't know what the rest of this season's going to mean. Thursday could mean nothing to the Celtics. It could mean nothing to them. They might say, well, like, do you play Tatum Thursday at the Garden because it's the scene of the crime and let him get it out of his system rather than a second round matchup that's his first time touching the garden floor. Right. So do you have Tatum play that game? Maybe you do, maybe you don't, I don't know. But if the game doesn't mean anything to them as far as the standings goes, then what? How do the Celtics handle that game? How do the Knicks handle that game? And then of course, Toronto, the same thing and then Sunday. So you don't know. All I know is this. With all the complaining about what this next season looked like, they matched last season's win total 51. And they still have three games left,

[Adam Rosenberg]

three games to so you know, and

[Alan Hahn]

I've told you already about the numbers this year, so I liked what I saw last night. It looked like something that if they can master this in the playoffs, their offense could be a lot to handle.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's what I want to hear from you at 1-800-919-3776. You know, we talk so much about where the Knicks should be beginning of the season. It was NBA Finals or bust. Then during the course of the season it's like, I don't know. All right, we've. That was a big win last night. We've established. I think the Knicks are going to be the 3 seed. What are they going to be? What are your expectations right now? Forget about the summer, forget about the beginning of the season, forget about how you felt at the end of the year or when they brought Mike Brown in right now. What is it? April 7th? What is your expectation for this Knicks team? 1-800-919-3776. Now time for the Mets starting lineup and it is brought to you by Ramsey Mazda as the Mets are going to be playing coming up at 4 o'.

[Don Hahn]

Clock.

[Adam Rosenberg]

So we're going to leave you on 880 in just a couple of minutes and then you're going to be listening to us on the app or on YouTube. So the starting lineup, Lindor is going to lead off and play shortstop. Bichette at third batting second. Blanco is batting third. The DH Robert Jr. Is batting cleanup in center field. Beatty fifth in right field. Vientos sixth in first. Simeon is at second. Carson Benge is in left field batting eighth. And Alvarez is your catcher and he will bat ninth as Peralta one zero on the season will be going up against the Arizona Diamondbacks. The start of that three game series, that was the amazing starting lineup which is brought to you by Ramsey Mazda. Get more for your money at Ramsey Mazda. Like a new 2026 Mazda CX50 or Mazda CX90. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. So mere moments will go over to the Mets who decided to move this game to four because it's going to be cold tonight. Yankees are going to keep their game at night so we'll find out who won.

[Alan Hahn]

The day wasn't so bad though.

[Don Hahn]

The day's chilly but it's fine. I am.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Tonight's gonna.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I'm saying. What?

[Alan Hahn]

Trying to figure that. What do you think their logic is with the Yankees? Yeah, I think it's just sticking because they're with.

[Don Hahn]

They're playing a jabroni Series too. Can't imagine. It's crazy ticket sales. I just. I wonder why.

[Alan Hahn]

It's just probably easier.

[Don Hahn]

It's just more. It was. It was more complicated. I want. I wonder if it was a matter of players on one team caring more than players on another.

[Alan Hahn]

Could be. That could be. I don't feel like giving any discounts or any refunds because the Mets yesterday don't want that.

[Don Hahn]

The Mets not only, you know, would allow you a refund. They also gave away tickets to these two games. Yeah, they came out and made a statement saying to show appreciation of the fan base, they're giving away freebies today and tomorrow.

[Adam Rosenberg]

And I guess the Yankees are going to say, listen, our team tickets are more valuable. We've already got more pre sold. Well, they're not going to say anything. Do it.

[Alan Hahn]

No, they won't say anything.

[Don Hahn]

They don't say a word at all.

[Alan Hahn]

This is the game.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But I think that would probably be.

[Alan Hahn]

We're going to play at seven o'. Clock.

[Adam Rosenberg]

The argument.

[Don Hahn]

But their argument. You're making the argument against the Mets. I'm just. What's the argument for the Yankees?

[Alan Hahn]

Cam Schlitler will be on the mound at 7:05.

[Podcast Host/Producer]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

He has planned to do that. He's always expected to do that. And that's what he's going to do.

[Don Hahn]

And he's going to bring that Schlitz.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Now Don, I don't recommend that for you.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's lit.

[Don Hahn]

No, I don't want to start playing this. I don't think you should start.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I've got to overcome it. How else do you do it but trial by five?

[Alan Hahn]

Say it over.

[Adam Rosenberg]

We've got a dump button.

[Alan Hahn]

We should just get you the beer.

[Don Hahn]

Everyone sit back.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Remember.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Now at 7 o' clock it's going to be 44.

[Alan Hahn]

Feels like.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I don't have a feels like here.

[Alan Hahn]

You got to have the feels like.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I'[e-mail]. how do you know that? Give me a feels like.

[Don Hahn]

Keep going 44. What is it ending it.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Well then it's 42, then 41 and then at 10 o' clock it's 38. However, 38 at first pitch, 20 mile per hour.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I got 20. I got 29 degrees. First pitch feels like.

[Adam Rosenberg]

It feels like 29 at first pitch.

[Alan Hahn]

But you know what though? For basically the stadium packed all that body, you know,

[Adam Rosenberg]

we've never met life. Could you breathe on me because I'm really cold.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, it's going to be great. I mean think about it. The BLEACHERS they'll be all fired up. They'll be I bet you they'll be

[Don Hahn]

fan shirtless by the way I'm fully that's how excited they're fully congested again. Don't fully sick happened to me as of this weekend.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I wonder if it's allergies now because I finally I never was allergic my cough I'm not like hacking along sore throat. Well you I still sound but you

[Alan Hahn]

don't I dust and all that stuff can happen.

[Adam Rosenberg]

You go yeah, you know what?

[Don Hahn]

No but I move. I move. I moved from a place where one of the things I hated about my old terrible apartment was that the heat was up so high that every night I woke up. I woke up dry every day.

[Alan Hahn]

Brutal.

[Don Hahn]

Now I don't have that but I just happened to get some.

[Alan Hahn]

But when you, you know pick up boxes and all that stuff, move back like you don't know what's kicking up in the air.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Well listen, we're with you.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you.

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[Adam Rosenberg]

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[Podcast Host/Producer]

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Podcast Host/Producer]

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[Adam Rosenberg]

Don, Adam Rosenberg with you until 7 o', clock, consuming us on the app or on YouTube. John Harbaugh spoke. We've got that coming up in a little while.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, did he speak?

[Adam Rosenberg]

We also have a talk about it Tuesday coming up at 4:30.

[Alan Hahn]

That's something to talk about on the giant front. Quickly. I got a little beef with Renault.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

And you know me, I'm not into man drama. So like for me to speak up,

[Don Hahn]

not in demand beef.

[Alan Hahn]

No. Well, not into that either. But yesterday, if you remember, he comes on with us, which we, we certainly appreciate. The first thing I asked him was like Dex is looking for money obviously, right? And he's like, oh no, no, no, it's not that. Then by the end of the call, all he's talking about is how, oh, you know, they'll, they'll rework his deal, they'll give him some money and he'll feel better and everything will be fine. And I'm like, isn't that what I was kind of saying at the very beginning of the con? So how did we get from no, no, it's not about money to by the end of the conversation, it's literally, yeah, they'll pay him and he'll be happy. I kind of missed that.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So did I ask the question incorrectly? Did I not word it properly? Is that why he told me no? And then at the end of the conversation, pretty much what I was saying, he confirmed because that's how the player

[Adam Rosenberg]

would deal with it. I never said it was about the money. Just a little disappointed we haven't won. I'm taking a look at some former coach.

[Alan Hahn]

Man, you haven't.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Well, that's why I brought it up to him yesterday. Listen, if anybody deserves a second chance, the Giants went out, got the best coach available.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, come on, you've got to

[Adam Rosenberg]

develop a young quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

Of the draft, Dex. All that you've been through, this is now when you want to jump ship. This is the time for you to leave. Oh, I can't take it anymore. We're a joke of a franchise now. You got the quarterback, you got a top five pick, and you've got one of the best coaches in the league. Now's the time. No, this is. This is strictly about finances. Yeah.

[Adam Rosenberg]

And the way it's going, seems like all former jets and Giants go to Tennessee. So if Tennessee gave them the money, you ain't.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no, no, no. Sorry, sorry. Dexter Lawrence is too good a player for that. It's only the bad players from the

[Alan Hahn]

bad jets and Giants.

[Don Hahn]

Not the best play is Dexter Lawrence. Dexter Lawrence is the best player.

[Alan Hahn]

If you put the jets and Giants roster on a piece of paper and said, who is the highest rated player on both rosters? He's got to be.

[Adam Rosenberg]

He probably has the highest Madden score.

[Alan Hahn]

I would think he's got to.

[Don Hahn]

Now, had Neighbors gotten hurt, I'd have a belief in my heart that Neighbors would have been right there playing one more year. But we didn't see it. So what can I.

[Adam Rosenberg]

We'll get into this a little bit later on, but, you know, now I'm all of a sudden hearing like it almost feels like a pipe dream. He'll be ready for opening day Neighbors. So I don't know if that's going to make them go out and draft a weapon offensively or maybe a wide receiver.

[Alan Hahn]

All you need is love. Yeah, I know you hate the mocks, but, Donnie, this, it's a real thing. Whatever's happened between Tennessee and the Giants and those two picks and. And that player, it's very interesting.

[Adam Rosenberg]

No, I don't, I don't. I don't mind talking about AMOC on a given day, but 17 of them, some of them still are, you know, dripping from where they pulled it out of.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That's when I. That's when you lose me. All right, Knicks expectations. Big win last night. 1,800-9193776. Let's start it off with John in Queens. You're on espn, New York. Hi, John.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, what's up, guys?

[Caller John]

How are you?

[Adam Rosenberg]

Good, man.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, John.

[Caller John]

Hey. So I. I believe Cat is the key to us making a run. So I want to ask you if you agree. I think his biggest issue, and granted he's been better, obviously, yesterday, but the complaining with the reps and then it seems like, you know, like point blank shots. I don't know if you've seen this, Alan, but like, to me it's like the equivalent of like a routine ground ball. He'll miss him, you know, when he's

[Alan Hahn]

so close to the basket.

[Caller John]

I wonder if you guys agree with that.

[Alan Hahn]

I have seen him this season struggle at the rim at times. He has been dealing with a knee that's been bothering him. And there are times where he will let you know that it's, you know, his. The elevation's not there. I don't know. I just think when he's locked in, when he feels part of it, when his moods where it needs to be, he's a different player. And as much as I know we kind of. Yeah, I mean, you know, like, people give him a hard time because his personality is kind of quirky. He's a sweetheart of a guy. But he, you know, his. He does have a funny personality about him and he is emotional. But I also know that when he's locked in, he's one of the best players in the league, an insane scorer. So the goal every night is, especially in the playoffs, make sure that guy's locked in. And that's. I saw that last night and he was involved. Let's see if that formula sticks.

[Don Hahn]

He was active. It felt like every possession.

[Alan Hahn]

And defensively, which is more important? And getting big boy rebounds in traffic,

[Don Hahn]

like, that's no pressure. No pressure, Cat. But if you do that, if he brings that every night this team competes for a championship. In my opinion, that. That is.

[Alan Hahn]

I think, I think you're right.

[Don Hahn]

It's the biggest difference.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I think you're right.

[Don Hahn]

Because you have to remember, Cat is essentially like an all world talent. He's a seven footer. Could he can knock down. Step back. Who was it we had on the show? Who do we just have on the show? Maybe from our Big east show, one of the, One of the Big east legends who Was saying that he may be the best man was Charles Smith. Charles Smith. He may be one of the. He may be the best big man shooter. He's in the conversation all time. Think about that's how good he is.

[Alan Hahn]

He just did something where it comes. I think it's like a thousand threes made and then X amount of rebounds and points like faster than anybody in NBA history. Big men.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's a unicorn.

[Alan Hahn]

Because Dirk, as great of a shooter he was, wasn't a rebounder. Right. You think of all the big men that were great shooters that shot threes, they didn't rebound. He does. He does the skill part like the finesse. But he still does something that while nobody wants to give him credit for being tough and strong rebounding man in this game, rebounding is effort and determination and physicality. And this guy for another year is averaging a double double, is number two in the league in rebounding and leading the league in double doubles this season. So I'm. You got to give credit where credit's due. Just because it doesn't look tough, it doesn't mean it isn't.

[Don Hahn]

Well, no. He talks a lot, he flails a lot, but he goes hard. If he could bring this every night. We are having. They're a two superstar team.

[Alan Hahn]

I think when we talk about the most important people because I think we take Brunson and you make him the. Like the expected. What's the expected? Brunson is going to be there right after 30 a game in the playoffs as a nick. He's a clutch player. It's already there. So you put him as the expected. The variable that if it's the. If it becomes the expected is what unlocks the championship potential. It's obviously Towns.

[Adam Rosenberg]

It's obviously Towns, but he's an enigma. Corn in the sense. He's an enigma, but is also a unicorn. He's a unicorn that at that height can shoot so well from the perimeter and yet not every night.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you just said it.

[Adam Rosenberg]

If he plays every night like he did last night, game changer. He's a game changer and he doesn't have it. That's the enigma part.

[Don Hahn]

Now you talk about the conversation we have over and over again. The meals for life. The treated like a God in New York. If he brought it for an entire playoff and it was two months, right? Just. It would be two months for the rest of his life. Just give me the rest of his life.

[Alan Hahn]

Two months. Where you just. All the bs.

[Don Hahn]

Because they can't do it without Him. They can't do it without 100%.

[Adam Rosenberg]

History tells me, just from following sports, that when you are that way, you're that way for life.

[Don Hahn]

But I don't need.

[Alan Hahn]

You can't even give me two months.

[Don Hahn]

Just two months. I don't need the rest of your life.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But that's not what he does. That's why he was available to begin with. Right. Like that. That's how you got him. That's why Minnesota's like, all right, I'm ready. Because it doesn't happen. It's crazy. At any moment.

[Alan Hahn]

All Star, and yet now. Can you get a series?

[Adam Rosenberg]

Give me a series. But to ask him to do that consistently for two months. Listen, I hope so.

[Alan Hahn]

It's four rounds, but it's all you need.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Let me ask you, is it going to happen?

[Alan Hahn]

I. Like I said, if they play like they did last night and get him involved. I've seen him when he's not involved. You see the body language.

[Don Hahn]

It's awful, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, when he's involved early, he is like, he's at Rucker Park. Right.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But we'll play that way.

[Alan Hahn]

He's trying to do stuff like he's loose and he's into it, and all of a sudden now he's trying to get steals.

[Adam Rosenberg]

All you need it for is 16. 16 times.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, you know what this is?

[Adam Rosenberg]

Give it to me for 16 times.

[Alan Hahn]

But it's as simple as this. If you. If your wife wanted you to do something that she knows you don't want to do, she knows exactly what buttons to push to get you to do it. The Knicks have to figure that out with him.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

What do I need to do every game to make sure that you are feeling so good you're willing to do things that you normally.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I know. But there's a coach or coaches that he'll go through that'll figure out ways to make sure he doesn't get involved and gets frustrated, it'll be interesting to follow and see.

[Alan Hahn]

Who's that in the East? Embiid can't keep up with him. Who is it? Give me the. Give me the team that's got somebody that'll match up with him before you get to the West. But because there isn't one like Boston doesn't have the poor thing to coach

[Adam Rosenberg]

around, a way to try to take him out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they get physical. They get low on him and all that.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I mean, so it might not be a particular matchup, and there might be a night where he's not getting the calls sometimes it's just on him.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, one game out of his seven. That's the beauty of. It's not a one game elimination, but it can happen once or once in a series. It can happen twice in a series.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Let's see. Let's see if we can find that consistency. Spike and say Pete, you're in ESPN New York.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey boys. First of all, Alan, you got your synergy in the fourth quarter. How about our discussion last Wednesday? Peter was off with you and Don. You couldn't figure out the synergy. It was there last night, weak side, two man game.

[Alan Hahn]

That was the most important thing. Spike, that two man game that they were playing, the Hawks were like, what do we do here? They were sending Dyson, couldn't get over the screen. Daniels who guards Barnes and couldn't get over the screen. They had to get help from a conglomerate. And then a conglomerate was like, wait, I got to get back to Cat. So now it's we're back to one on ones again. So the trapping they tried to do, it suddenly was blown up by just these two guys being together.

[Caller/Listener]

They confused them. And Dyson, Daniels may be the best defender in these hands down. That's what I'm seeing. But I also see Deuce coming around. Look, when you play the two bigs, they're tough to beat and but for Peter also, I know he's a big Celtic fan. I keep going over who the matchups are, you know, two, three, two, three. I looked it up. Boston made 25 out of 100 threes in two games. Had a 20 point lead in both. That's not happening again, Gu. It's just not happening again. And I give Boston coach all the credit in the world. And I told you guys about Charles Lee. They keep losing pieces and players and they're going to be a tougher out this year. Orlando with Wendell Carter may be a little problem because bronze Vargas back. I've been waiting for three years for them to be a pain in the ass and they haven't gotten there yet. Their coach is probably on the line. So anyway, that was a great fourth quarter and it shows you it can be done. Can they repeat? It remains to be done seen and I think you're going to see those nine play. I think that's it. I'm waiting for Shammer to get hot and because he's a good defender and if he just squares up, he's going to make that shot. It was a great win, but the last play confused me. Why has he got Brunson on on the guy from Lehigh. I always forget his name.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, the bigger debate is with 1.5 seconds to go and you're up with the. No, hang on. With the free throw. Up to. With the free throw.

[Caller/Listener]

Gotcha. Miss.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you purposely miss the free throw? Yeah, I mean, throw it as hard as you can off the rim so that. Because I believe once it hits the rim, the clock starts.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, but that's like throwing the 8 10, strolling the ball straight up in the air. It's. It's a spur of the moment decision. Your instincts, if you, if you throw,

[Alan Hahn]

they can run a play. And that's exactly what they did. They did a curl play. McCollum got it. Brunson didn't want to foul at that point because you don't want to get the. The three, you know, the three point foul. And you make him make a great shot, which that was a. Come on, he's not making it. Nine more times he tries that. He's not making it.

[Caller/Listener]

Three years ago, they got burned with Dirk when he was not Dirk with doncic down, down two and they collided. They collided on the baseline. So 1,000. I'm foul in that situation. I'm foul.

[Alan Hahn]

You foul the ball?

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, yeah, I foul. Anyway, that was a great win. The Boston game may be something or nothing in a few days.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know. Yeah, we're going to find out. We're going to find out.

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[Alan Hahn]

But Jalen Brown won't shut up. He keeps talking about the Knicks, though. He is. They are salivating to play this team. Revenge factor on a. On a million. Which is. Which just juices up. Makes it more fun.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Certainly does. Hopefully it will have some meaning. But if not, they'll meet when? It definitely is going to be a couple of weeks.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Adam Rosenberg]

And that'll be in the postseason.

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[Adam Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Smash it. Pound it Donnie. Pound it.

[Don Hahn]

Ah, great. Drop dead.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Now all you need to do is just tap it once. Right? So yeah, you could smash it. Only the first hit really does anything.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I'm not sure why people need to smash Now.

[Alan Hahn]

Speaking of aggressive.

[Don Hahn]

Speaking of YouTube, I've noticed a couple times today an updated graphic they have for DiPietro and Rothenberg. It's very troubling. You guys seen it?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don Hahn]

That photo of Rick and Dave.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Oh, that's been up for a little while. It's been a while.

[Don Hahn]

I just saw it today.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Dave just doesn't look right.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it looks like.

[Alan Hahn]

What does he look like?

[Caller/Listener]

You talking about the one on the couch?

[Don Hahn]

I don't know what the heck.

[Caller/Listener]

It's in the circle, right?

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah. But I think they're embracing and.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, well, the picture that you don't see, of course, because it's edited, is that they're sitting on the couch to promote the couch cast.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener]

So they're looking back, picture people turning around and taking a picture from behind a couch. And so what they used. Because I think it was Rick that said he hated the picture of them. Those two just kind of staring like into the. Into the void of the last picture they had. So they used that one instead now.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But the look on Dave's face.

[Caller John]

Yep.

[Adam Rosenberg]

It's kind of like planes, trains and automobiles. Those aren't pillows. Like, Rick's hand ventured somewhere. Oh, and Dave likey likey.

[Don Hahn]

That's what you're suggesting?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

I'm looking to see if we can see it again. Do you know if it'll come up

[Adam Rosenberg]

again during a commercial break?

[Don Hahn]

Do we have an option to pull it up? If you just wanted to.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I wouldn't hurt anybody.

[Caller/Listener]

Let me get back to you.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll figure it out.

[Don Hahn]

Effort, if you can.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Efforting as we speak.

[Don Hahn]

It is good.

[Adam Rosenberg]

He's got, like, a goofy face, and it's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's.

[Don Hahn]

It's trouble.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I think we're talking about the thing.

[Don Hahn]

I think we are, too.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I think it'll pop up during the break.

[Don Hahn]

Very disappointed. I think all of us were in Drop Madness, and we'll. We'll have to revisit whether that's something we continue to do.

[Adam Rosenberg]

But congratulations to Carl, and it shouldn't diminish his victory.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's a huge win no matter

[Adam Rosenberg]

how you cut it, because no matter how you felt about Drop Madness, I think it produced maybe the greatest drop of all time.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I mean that. That the winner of Drop Madness is frankly, one of the greatest drops of all time. And today we posted on the. The Instagram page the original video of the drop. I'd forgotten about the visual. I forgot about it, too.

[Alan Hahn]

Carlin posted it. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I think they've Collaborated.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it was.

[Don Hahn]

It's a.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Like a GoPro in there or something.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, they're filming the booth.

[Alan Hahn]

Mm.

[Don Hahn]

And I might not even be a GoPro.

[Adam Rosenberg]

So it could have been evidence.

[Don Hahn]

You mean had he not made it.

[Adam Rosenberg]

He expired.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it was. Someone put their hand. You couldn't see who it was. But as he's almost dying, you see a hand on his back and, like, patting him, like, as if it's going to be okay. Which was odd. You would think that instead of patting him on the back gently. Maybe a Heimlich, maybe a little effort. Nothing.

[Don Hahn]

It's also funny to watch Chris going through it. Cuz he's calm at first. He's sort of like still reaching over for the mute button. Kind of like, all right, I'm gonna figure this out. I think I'm fine. And then it just starts to grab.

[Alan Hahn]

Took over.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know. Oh. Don's viewing it right now.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I can't hear it, but I'll see it.

[Don Hahn]

Look, you see how long he stays calm?

[Adam Rosenberg]

For a while.

[Don Hahn]

He's reading the sheet. And then here's the first cough. Hits the cough button. Not a big deal. Let me go back and talk more. Let me hit the cough button again. This is working out. And he just can't pull it together.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That the tap on the shoulder slash back is more for. Listen, you don't feel like you're dying alone.

[Don Hahn]

I'm here with you.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Here's some human contact. Yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You shouldn't have to go.

[Adam Rosenberg]

There's no way that that was gonna dislodge anything.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. You'd think there'd be a greater effort to help him in that.

[Don Hahn]

So I'm gonna go to the great beyond with you.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'm just gonna. I'm gonna comfort you as you go

[Don Hahn]

to the great beach in this. In this time.

[Alan Hahn]

Then when somebody says, well, did you do anything? I pat him on the back. I let him know it's gonna be all right.

[Don Hahn]

I don't think either of you are. I don't think either of you follow the private Maya account. I'll send it to you.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Alan, you're not gonna press.

[Caller/Listener]

We're all hearing of it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Sorry. Well, this is a.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's a.

[Don Hahn]

It's a back and forth between me and Natalie because she, like, wants it to just be, like, open so people could. I don't want strangers following my daughter. So I. As a result, though, friends don't even know about it.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Now, Don, even if I gave it to You. I don't know if you could figure out how to follow if you're logged into your Instagram page.

[Adam Rosenberg]

He does not. The state that I am with social media. I'm not gonna dive back into Instagram. Instagram told me when they hacked my account, like, seven years ago.

[Alan Hahn]

We're good.

[Adam Rosenberg]

And I reciprocate. I'm good, too.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sending it to the group chat. All right, this is the private page. If any of you want to follow the happenings of Maya. It's just for friends and family. But, Don, this video yesterday, just. Do you remember these days? Just made my day.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Maya. Just enjoying a full orange.

[Caller/Listener]

Each.

[Don Hahn]

Each suck on the peel. Just the most delightful experience. It's. I can watch. I just love that.

[Adam Rosenberg]

That's what's great about having kids, when they discover different flavors and give her

[Alan Hahn]

a lemon, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

By the way. She was into it.

[Alan Hahn]

So was Cal.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

She had no issue with it.

[Alan Hahn]

Kelly would just keep asking for more lemons, and she'd make that face and then just keep going.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly.

[Alan Hahn]

A little bit of my life, but I don't mind it.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I've got memories that come up, and Nancy and I were debating whether this was a chicken nugget or not. But, like, you see, Marco.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, let me see. Oh, I didn't see it. What are you holding? Who are you holding it for?

[Alan Hahn]

Are you holding it for?

[Don Hahn]

I don't know who you're holding.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I'm trying to get for both of you.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no, let me see first.

[Adam Rosenberg]

And there's no. First he licked it, then it's a little nibble, and he's like, should I commit fully to a. To a. But, yeah, I'm gonna.

[Don Hahn]

I can't believe that these, like, pop up memories. He's a tiny baby, and now he's. Now he's in drop mad.

[Adam Rosenberg]

He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Rosenberg]

I could look at it independently as we go to Paul in Florida. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Paul?

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, guys. Great to have when the phone pops up, those memories of kids. Mine's 15, and it does it to me all the time.

[Adam Rosenberg]

It is great.

[Don Hahn]

God. Even at 15. Even at 15, the iPhones have been around so long that you're getting memories from your kid being, like, four, huh?

[Caller/Listener]

Exactly.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

And it's hilarious. I'm a t. I'm a teacher down here, and he goes to high school with me. And some days, something will pop up from when he was, like, at the preschool around the corner. And it's like, how. How has that much time gone by? It feels like a month.

[Don Hahn]

I just want to go back and say one more time before I let you get to your point, Paul. At the beginning, I was being defensive with you guys. Don, again, this is someone conceding a point. Something we're going to teach you as the years go on. When I first had the baby, you guys fought with me. We almost got into a big fight because you were saying, time goes fast. And I was saying, I know, I know, I know. I did know. And I still don't even fully know. But what I now do know after a year and change in is how unfathomable it's going to be because of the amount that I adore every single moment that she has. So to now think of her like if I were a teacher and now she's just sauntering down the hallway as a teenager. I just. My brain.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Happen.

[Don Hahn]

It's gonna happen. All right, so, Paul, go ahead. Sorry.

[Caller/Listener]

That's exactly how I feel. The Knicks game last night, the gentleman I answered the phone said it perfectly. It kind of epitomize the season for me. There were flashes in there where I looked at it and went, wow, if Cat's doing this, if they're rotating like this, we could take on anyone in the East. But then there were other moments, particularly at the beginning and then at the very end where they flipped back into turning the ball over unforced.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Caller/Listener]

Forgetting to cover someone. Like. Like the three they hit before the shot that didn't.

[Alan Hahn]

The one that cut it to one. Yes. Unreal. He could be left. That was Bridges. Bridges just gambled and cheated. And it's like, man, just stay on your. Stay on your guy. Like, what do you do? Why would.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Well, they're not a perfect.

[Alan Hahn]

Of all people, by the way, like, you can identify guys who are shooters. If I told you, C.J. mcCollum, what is he known for? Shooting threes. That's it. Nothing else. Just shooting threes. So it's. Don't leave him. But he's so right, though. The. The early turnovers, they had like nine in the first quarter. And it's like, this was not great defense causing turnovers. This was just bonehead. Why would you make that pass? Why. Why'd you throw it at his feet? Like all those things that you just got to clean that crap out.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Listen, they're not perfect.

[Alan Hahn]

No, they're not. They're wonderfully flawed.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Yeah, they're a talented team that if they could put it together can make a run. But they constantly remind you that if they don't put it together it could be an early exit. That's why they are so maddening and fascinating at the same time.

[Podcast Host/Producer]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good.

[Podcast Host/Producer]

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[Caller/Listener]

Did you say top?

[Adam Rosenberg]

Brian Pata, senior defensive lineman from Miami

[Alan Hahn]

gunned down the key to this case. It's Brian.

[Don Hahn]

An hour before he died he was on the phone arguing with somebody.

[Alan Hahn]

This might be a hit. You want the truth? They just want a conviction.

[Caller/Listener]

Being placed under arrest.

[Adam Rosenberg]

We had a killer amongst us.

[Rich Eisen]

Murder at the U.

[Adam Rosenberg]

Listen now.