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Don La Greca
Don, give me a piece of wood. I'll ink it.
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Dave Rothenberg
Don.
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Don La Greca
Peter, the most used sweat is at a buffet.
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Alan Hahn
And Rosenberg, I'll be honest, the one.
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Dave Rothenberg
Thing I miss about having an office is the taste of Steve Hart's nuts.
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Don La Greca
This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.
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Alan Hahn
This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.
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Don La Greca
The best threesome I've ever heard on.
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Alan Hahn
880, ESPN and the ESPN New York app.
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Don La Greca
Now we're live from our Tee It Up Golf Challenge here at Farmingdale, Long Island, Colonial Springs. Just a gorgeous golf course, pretty far from where I live, but still, it was a nice day. Nice ride. Got to hang out with Bart in our golf cart, flying around saying hello to everybody. Got to see Greg Buttle, got to see Justin Tuck. Rick DiPietro's here. Alan Hahn will be joining us as soon as he's done golfing. And we're gonna have everybody that we can on our air until 6:30, including the great Dave Rothenberg, who today got to debut the LT dangling earring out of his left ear. And he's on. Don and Rosenberg, how are you?
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Dave Rothenberg
I'm great. How are you?
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Don La Greca
Good.
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Dave Rothenberg
Thanks for having me on the show. I've never been on the show before. This current iteration of the show. I've not yet been on it.
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Don La Greca
You know, we didn't start till, you know, technically January 6th. And so it hasn't been that long. But you know, morning and afternoon sometimes doesn't jive. Right. And we still have to get lunch. One of these.
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Dave Rothenberg
Absolutely. And.
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Don La Greca
But here's my live and breathe, Dave Rothenberg.
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Dave Rothenberg
Here's my concern. This is my, my true concern. You're a big deal now. Like, I mean, you're. Now you're the voice of the Devils. Okay. And you and I used to be. I, I always think you were a little better than me, but not by much. Now you're way. Now you. Now you're much better than me.
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Don La Greca
My, My brother, you're much Better than me. You had a name on a show much longer than I have. You're in Morning Drive. We are in a parallel universe.
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Dave Rothenberg
We're doing well.
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Don La Greca
We're doing well. We're living the life. And I guess when you live the life, you hang out at a golf course. This is a really nice place.
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Dave Rothenberg
It's nice. So I'm not sure why, but they just took me like zipping around all the different.
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Don La Greca
That's what I just Bar, you were with our pinhead suit. John went, right, and he's like, do.
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Dave Rothenberg
You want to get out and just say who you are? Like, no, I don't want to get out and be like, hey, Dave Rothenberg here.
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Don La Greca
How you doing? But the great that they probably recognize a lot of these people and you got to say hello to them. Got to see Justin Tuck. Me and Dave hanging with Justin Tuck.
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Dave Rothenberg
That was. That was. I looked over at you, I was like, this is really cool. I got to tell you, when you meet one of these people that you're a huge fan of and they're really cool and really bright and wonderful to talk to, it makes it even that much better. And I feel like that's what it was with Justin Tuck.
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Don La Greca
I can't give any information, but Bart Scott and Justin Tuck had a great conversation about the current situation with the nflpa and it was very enlightening. And I'm telling you, maybe they should tap into one of those, if not both of those guys, to kind of run it moving forward because it sounded like they had some great ideas. But. So it's going to be one of those fluid shows. Alan's going to join us, all the people that we talked about. John Starks is here somewhere.
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Dave Rothenberg
I didn't see Starks.
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Don La Greca
I haven't seen him either. Larry Johnson's supposed to be here as well. Greg Buttle, I got to run into him.
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Dave Rothenberg
I didn't see him. The only person I saw was Tuck.
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Don La Greca
So far, here was somebody that I was guaranteed to see 20 times a year in Greg Buttle because, you know, the jets didn't have any playoffs for most of those runs. Sometimes I got lucky enough for it to be post or north of 20, but now I don't get to see Buttle anymore. But we're going to grab him, we're going to talk to him and it's going to be a Fun show till 6:30 and then we'll get a chance to go to the Mets and the Angels. But, you know, baseball is where to begin. And since I have you and we're both Met guys. I got to tell you, you know, I'm a Met fan, but I'm also no apologist for my team watching. And I know it's only a three game series. All right. But even watching them going in to the All Star break, it's presently constituted, they're a very average baseball team and I'm going to tell you why. Over the last 61 games going back to May 9, they're 31, 30. They're also 11 and 20 in their last 31 games. That's a pretty decent sample size. They're a team that got up to a hot start.
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Dave Rothenberg
Yep.
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Don La Greca
And now it's kind of petered out to the point where they're going to have to make a couple of deals with the deadline for me to honestly believe they're a contender. I know they're only a half game out because Philadelphia can't get out of their own way either as they got clubbed by the Angels and they didn't play well yesterday either. And they've had their issues because baseball's got parody. I don't know if anybody's noticed. There's truly no great teams out there. But still, in our own neck of the woods, looking at our team, I'm not seeing a contender.
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Dave Rothenberg
I agree with you now. I was there yesterday. Here's the thing, they don't hit with runners in scoring position at all. Their bullpen like in that, like 6, 7, 8th inning at best is probably subpar, right? You can't on Diaz as being the stopper. He's been great yesterday. He was garbage. I was at the game yesterday.
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Don La Greca
They were lucky that that game. Very lucky hand in that eighth inning, very lucky.
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Dave Rothenberg
And here's the thing with him too. It's like first batter of the game, they don't do the little things well. First batter of the game grants the second base. Acuna comes up with it, he throws the ball away. That leads to a run. The other day, Terence throws the ball to right field and they come around and score.
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Don La Greca
It was stupid.
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Dave Rothenberg
They played dumb baseball.
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Don La Greca
Dumb baseball. Both these teams.
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Dave Rothenberg
Yankee, listen, I'm sitting here, we talked about this on the show this morning and I said as we sit here, currently constituted now, things will happen, right? I'm sure the Mets are going to add relief and the Yankees are going to add third baseman and relief. The way it is currently constituted, neither of these teams is sniffing a champion.
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Don La Greca
Well, they have to make deals. Both these teams have to make deals. I think this is going to be One of the most intriguing deadlines that we've seen ever, where both teams are going to be in the market to try to get them over the top because I don't think either of these teams are winning the chances.
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Dave Rothenberg
But you take it over the top. I mean, the Mets probably need two arms in the bullpen. Tyron Taylor is not a center fielder on a starting center field on a championship caliber team. And Clay Holmes, I like him, but at best you're getting five innings from him.
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Don La Greca
The thing, the thing is, and we'll get to the Yankees more specifically, but since I kind of brought him into the conversation because they kicked the ball around too, is if they trade and get Suarez and I don't know what they're going to give up and I know they don't want to give up Lombard Jr. They don't want to give up Jones and apparently according to Jeff Passon, they won't have to do that to get Suarez. And maybe Galleon comes to and there might be other players. That's a needle mover to me. I mean, because that's a clear need at third. It's another bat they're going to need. I mean he's third in home runs in the American League, so he's way there baseball because only, I think only Raleigh and Judge have more home run.
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Dave Rothenberg
Suarez leads the national league in RBIs too. He's unbelievable.
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Don La Greca
He's not a great fielder, but he's going to listen. He's not a butcher at third and he's not Nolan Arenado, but he can hit much better than him. That's a needle mover to me. I don't know. Is there a needle mover? Like they'll bring up guys in the bullpen and you'll have to wait and see. I don't know if there's a needle mover that a deal that Mets can make Yankees get Suarez. Yankee fans are going to rejoice and say this might get us over the top. Is there a deal that they can make on the 31st where you feel good about the Mets?
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Dave Rothenberg
I mean, I don't know. I don't. I'm being honest with you. I don't know. I mean, Bednar, I think for the Pirates, he's a really good player. You need arms. I mean, Don, several. They threw the guy out the other day, he stink. They just picked him up. They throw him out there with cardia, whatever his name is. He was terrible. I mean they, they have guys. Oh, they have guys that shouldn't be pitching Was awful. Pitching in Major League Baseball.
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Don La Greca
Not good. Not good. They're going to have to need a couple because I don't trust Stanic. And they. And they have.
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Dave Rothenberg
I don't trust Stanic at all. Every outing, it's like, okay, pitch 24. It's. Come on, man. He's so inefficient. I trust Diaz. I think I trust Garrett Brasiman. I'm hot and cold. Raley's back now. Maybe he'll be a pleasant surprise. But I. I mean, at least two Don. At least two arms in the bullpen to make this thing Salv.
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Don La Greca
I don't know how you go out and address situational hitting at the deadline, but you brought up hitting with runners in scoring position.
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Dave Rothenberg
It's terrible.
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Don La Greca
There are only two teams worse than the Colorado, Colorado and the White Sox, two of the worst teams.
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Dave Rothenberg
I think maybe the two worst teams in all of baseball.
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Don La Greca
Clearly, Colorado is. And so in Chicago, they lost 120 games last year.
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Dave Rothenberg
That's.
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Don La Greca
You're not winning a championship that way. Just not now. They did get a big hit.
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Dave Rothenberg
21 snub right now.
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Don La Greca
Awful. Now Lindor's not hitting at all. He's been terribly streaky all of a sudden. Soto was hot as anything in June, and he struck out a ton of times over the weekend. You know, had a chance for the big home run. He was.
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Dave Rothenberg
A couple of hours I was watching that live, I was gone. I can't believe that ball didn't hit, at least at the foul pole.
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Don La Greca
I was very convinced that somebody on Twitter sent the call, like all the calls of the Cincinnati TV and radio, Mets TV and radio. They even had the Spanish call of all, like the excitement or depression that they were going to lose the game. If you're looking from the Reds perspective, and it was only foul by a couple of feet, and. And he couldn't get the job done there. I thought they were going to pull that one out. And listen, the Reds are a good team, but they shouldn't come into Citi Field and take two out. They're fine, but it's baseball.
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Dave Rothenberg
They're fine, but you lead two nothing Friday. You gag that away. You lead two nothing on Saturday, you're throwing the ball into right field. Mauricio had a play where he could have turned a double play. When you're not hitting right and you don't hit with runners in scoring position, you need to do the little things, and they're just not doing it. They're committing too many errors. They don't hit you know, in big spots. The starting pitching doesn't give him any length outside of Peterson. The bullpen has zero depth to it right now. It's. It's very frustrating.
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Don La Greca
No, it's very frustrating. And you know, the Phillies, thank God, if you're a Met fan, they seem.
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Dave Rothenberg
To be stink, too.
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Don La Greca
Very average. Listen, even the Dodgers, who are clearly the best team in baseball, they won the World Series last year. Just was it last week. They just.
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Dave Rothenberg
But don't you feel with the Dodgers that they can kind of get there and then turn it on as they need to?
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Don La Greca
As Peter likes to say, they're playing with their food. Yes. Like they know that when they have to turn it on, they're going to be able to turn it on. And the Padres have been banged up and San Francisco has been lousy since the Devers deal. I mean, Milwaukee's hot, but, you know, who knows what that's going to turn out to be? And they never win in the postseason. Cubs are an interesting team, but then you look at the Yankee side of things, and for all year, Allen and I talked about, well, don't worry about the Yankees because the American League stinks. And I'll believe the Tigers when I see it and I'll believe the Blue Jays when I see it, and the Yankees will be fine. Well, the Yankees have been very average. They're three back at Toronto. Toronto all of a sudden never loses. Detroit just had a losing streak. But they're still going to run away with that division. Right. Houston's still there, and they still. And I'm not really sure how, I don't know how either, but I'm sure that's a team that's not going to be scared to walk into Yankee Stadium with that history, you know, and, you know, the Blue Jays look like it's hard for me to believe, and I want to believe in the Blue Jays, but they just don't lose right now. And the Red Sox over all of a sudden become a contender. So now you look at the American League, that didn't look like it had any pitfalls at the beginning of the year. And there's Detroit and there's Houston and there's Toronto and there's the Red Sox, where if the Yankees don't get their act together, there's no guarantee.
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Dave Rothenberg
So Friday night you have this genius idea to go bullpen all the way through.
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Don La Greca
Even Michael killed it at the beginning of his show.
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Dave Rothenberg
It was terrible.
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Don La Greca
Call somebody up. It's ridiculous.
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Dave Rothenberg
And then you have the, the right fielder, Acuna is throwing a dart. The guy's just jogging into third base, he gets tagged out. And then on Saturday, Don C lost Friday and we played sound. I'm sure you have it today for your show. Sound of judge saying something to the effect of, you know, we just didn't really, you know, weren't really geared up for this. There was no sense of urgency. See, just off for five days, you come back and there's no sense of urgency. And then you were going to lose Saturday. See, you were going to go down to Atlanta and play a team that stinks and get run out of town against them. So you got fortunate to win Saturday. It was a huge win. It could be a defining moment. And then Strowman pitches a gem yesterday and now we'll see how they respond. I mean, you go up to Toronto and you get hammered by them again, which you did last time you went there and you're gonna have a massive problem. You go, you go up there and you take care of business and I think you'll be fine. I still believe the Yankees will win the division.
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Don La Greca
I do.
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Bart Scott
But.
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Dave Rothenberg
But you get more, I'm more aware now than I have been about it.
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Don La Greca
I don't think it's going to happen. But you know, get swept, you can't get swept. And you're six back. Yeah, listen, I know it's still a lot of baseball left to play. There's still 60 plus games for these teams. Here's what Judge said after taking two out of three from Atlanta on. Yes, after the game yesterday, big time series. Especially coming out of the break against a good Braves team, man, they got some, they got a great lineup, some good pitchers. But you know, we were a little lethargic that first game and even the stone in the second game, getting down early, some bad body language.
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Dave Rothenberg
But the guys picked it up.
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Don La Greca
You know, we kind of got on each other and did we had to do. Yeah. It's funny, the Braves have no pitch so you just. I love these players. They just blindly. Everybody's good. Oh, that Colorado team. Be careful, man.
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Dave Rothenberg
I mean Strider, I mean they start two guys, you know, being familiar. No, the Braves, Grant Holmes, I forget who the guy was that started on Saturday, but you know, he says you go through the motions or whatever the exact phrase was how you just had a whole week off.
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Don La Greca
You played a Brave team that's double digits under.500. They haven't gained any traction all year. You had to come back from five nothing down on Saturday to be able to win that five nothing and seven, two down to be able to win.
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Dave Rothenberg
And eight, six.
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Don La Greca
You know, and even yesterday, Stroman was just amazing. They needed innings and Stroman gave him innings. Give him credit for that.
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Dave Rothenberg
He sure did.
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Don La Greca
But it's. It's just neither of these teams are really in good shape right now, and they desperately need a deadline. And listen, I'm not going to sit there, chapter and verse, remember every trade deadline from our youth and all that, but in the, in the years that I've been doing this, I never remember, like, both teams being disengaged in the deadline, like, knowing they're good, but knowing if they don't make the right move, they're probably not going to go anywhere. This is going to be an interesting week leading up to this.
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Dave Rothenberg
Very interesting. We talk about Suarez and the Yankees acquiring him. I mean, he's the crown jewel of this trade deadline, acquisition time, right? And what happens if Seattle, who could desperately use a bat, makes a play that they kind of go all in ish. Because they did, remember last time Luis Castillo, right? And the Yankees wanted him and they wind up with Frankie Montas. And they didn't go after Castillo. He goes to Seattle. He's still actually on Seattle because Cashman does, right? Because they overvalue their guys. They don't want. They don't want to trade their guys. So I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. All I know is that both of these teams, in my opinion, I totally agree with you, need to make moves to have any chance of making a real run.
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Don La Greca
Now, Jeff Passon has said there's a 90% chance that Suarez gets dealt. I think that's probably based on exactly how Arizona plays over the next week. They're only four and a half out of a playoff spot, right? I think they're exactly 550 and 50 through the first hundred games. So they're probably not going to have an appetite to do something right away. But if they lose two, three in a row, maybe so. But if they rattle off six wins at all, you can't have that.
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Dave Rothenberg
If you're a fan of the Yankees, you need to root against, against Arizona because you want Gallon and you want Merrill Kelly and you want, you know, all these guys that are on that team to be dealt.
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Don La Greca
And it sounds like all three of them could be in a package to the Yankees, but you're gonna have to give to get. Man, I know they want to give up Jones, they don't want to give up Lombard Jr. But you know the days of. Of cashmen pulling off a deal where you never heard of anybody that's probably over, you know, you're going to have to give up something that might hurt a little bit to get us. You're not getting nobody. You're getting somebody that's a free agent at the end of the year. So you figure that might come at a bit of a discount, but you're getting somebody that's third in baseball at home runs. Right. You're not getting nobody. He is probably. But I love. Because we get this.
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Dave Rothenberg
I don't know if you guys get this on your show. We got on our show. You know, I think we'd be willing to trade Paraza. No, you're not trading Peraza. And, you know, guys off the scrap heap. To get one of the best players offensively in baseball, you have to give up legitimate pieces to get legitimate pieces.
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Don La Greca
And there's going to be teams like, what do the Cubs do? Cubs have one championship in, like, the last 120 years, and they're a really good team that might feel like, I want to go, I want to do something here. What are other teams going to do? There's so many teams that are kind of floating around. You listen, if the Padres got into the playoffs, they could be very dangerous. Giants all the playoffs, they could be very dangerous.
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Dave Rothenberg
They got the Dodgers, you got the Padres, you got the brewers, you got the Cubs, you got the Phillies, you got the Mets. The National League is a gauntlet of teams.
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Don La Greca
There are so many teams that are in this thing now. There are teams that are in it, meaning they can make the playoffs. And then there are teams that could be. They can do some damage if they're in the playoffs. Remember the Padres, not that much different than last year. Had the Dodgers, the team that went on to win the World Series, on.
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Dave Rothenberg
The ropes one game away from elimination, and then they got shut up twice the final two games of the series.
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Don La Greca
But, I mean, the Padres could make a run. When you look at the starting pitching the Giants have, and that, I think that's so key in the postseason that they could be a dangerous team if they were able to make the playoff. A team that might not be able to make the playoffs, make a run now, you know, the brewers, what are they going to do? They're the hottest team in baseball, but they're. They're only guaranteed a wild card right now. They may not. They might not be able to win.
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Dave Rothenberg
And they don't spend a lot of money. So, you know, maybe they Trade prospects, but they're not going to bring on a lot of money down the stretch of the season here.
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Don La Greca
Now a lot of celebrities are swinging by.
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Dave Rothenberg
No bigger than this one, though.
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Don La Greca
And I spent. I spent the afternoon with this guy, and he now has told me he might be showing up to the softball. August 23, Mark Sasso Softball Wag Field, Hawthorne, New Jersey, 530. You always have an open invite.
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Dave Rothenberg
I want to go. We're dropping Ben off at college.
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Don La Greca
Well, that's a big deal, but I'm.
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Dave Rothenberg
Uncertain whether I can make it or not. So I'll let you know last minute.
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Don La Greca
But Bart Scott is here.
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Bart Scott
Hi, Bart. It's a pleasure, man. I was, like, driving Mr. Daisy, you know, I mean, going around here. Don's doing it. Doing a celebrity president presidential thing. We met the. The Pepto Bismo kids over there with the.
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Don La Greca
Yeah, these guys all came with the same polo shirt.
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Dave Rothenberg
Those terrible, terrible, like, pink shirts. Those are really brutal.
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Don La Greca
Really, it's. It's golf.
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Dave Rothenberg
One of those guys is a transplant surgeon.
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Bart Scott
Makes sense. Yeah, makes sense. It looked like, I guess we need an organ.
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Don La Greca
Apparently, he's doing it all colorblind because I don't know what he was doing.
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Dave Rothenberg
Sure.
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Don La Greca
But it's nice. It was nice being in the golf cart. And I don't know how much information you want to give, but you had a really interesting conversation with Justin Tuck not too long ago.
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Dave Rothenberg
It was erotic. I gotta be. Like I said, they're listening to Bart Scott and Justin Tuck, and I could have sat there for the next 10 hours listening to you guys.
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Don La Greca
Not a lot of football being talked, I'll tell you that.
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Bart Scott
Well, you know, he's in finance. Shout out to him. I love to see guys that do one thing very, very well and then transition to a different career. You know, I can remember when he was going to Wharton and I was going down and doing shows in Baltimore. We would catch each other the train as he was going to school. You know what? People may or may not know that when you leave the NFL, you can go to school whenever you want for the rest of your life. And they'll pay for as long as you get a C or better. And he took advantage of those resources that we have. And interesting comments with the story that leaked last week with the head of the Players association stepping down after what some people could see as some form of collusion or not being totally transparent with the Players association, the representatives, you know, with going on and, you know, where we see the league and the world going, you know, I think that we see all these contracts and guys paying guys after three years, which is really rare in football, but we see a lot of people getting paid. And when people are getting paid early, it tells me that the NFL and maybe, just maybe the ownership group is about to get an influx of money, and they want to get these guys under contract under the old cba. Because whenever you go in and you add a game, you have to amend the. The. The cba. So they go in and amend it, and they come up with a new deal. I can. I envision, I believe, that it's going to be the 18th game added next year. I think that's something that they can reopen up the negotiations with the streaming platforms. You can resell, like, the Thursday night package, maybe add another, you know, another game out there and be able to have some more international games. Gonna have to add another by week.
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Don La Greca
I think the international package is what we're looking at. Right, because it looks like there's gonna be a 9:30am game weekly, I think, to a point. Maybe not week one, maybe not week.
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Bart Scott
18, maybe start, like, at the week four, right in, maybe right before, like, week 13.
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Dave Rothenberg
And that would go on, like a different streaming service. It will, yeah. Because it's only. What is it on now? Netflix Prime?
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Bart Scott
Peacock.
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Don La Greca
Peacock.
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Dave Rothenberg
I mean, when does it end?
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Bart Scott
It doesn't YouTube, right?
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Dave Rothenberg
I mean, the ticket's on YouTube now.
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Don La Greca
You're spending as much money on that even more.
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Bart Scott
I mean, this is the biggest hoax ever, right? So now it's a la carte. You get to pick what you want, but what you want is everywhere else that you have to get it. I mean, started with Amazon. Amazon was smart. I can remember when I first got into business and they told us that these streaming platforms were coming and everybody was fighting for the Thursday night packages. You know, Amazon comes in and they decided to charge or to spend double. And people looked at Bezos like, why would you spend double? Like, you crazy? You want it that bad, you can have it. But at that time, he was the only one that had something to sell because you had to buy the streaming for him. So he really pretty much paid less than what anybody else would pay, because for you to get the streaming service, you have to buy the service, and nobody's gonna cut the core. You know, you got Coming to America, too, which was a horrible movie to be, you know, waited all that time. That's why I don't want the Chronic album to come out. Because coming to America, we waited 25 years to see Billy Wesley Snipes play in the movie wasn't funny at all. When you look at what they were able to do, the streaming platforms are coming in. I think they're changing the game and I think they're about to do it all over again. And it's changing before our eyes. We spending way more money. Peacock. Amazon, Netflix, YouTube. YouTube. Like, you know, I think I paid like $700.
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Dave Rothenberg
It's crazy.
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Bart Scott
Last year. Ford. So I think when you see all these signings coming early, I think the game is about to change. And I think we're about to get to 18 game. That's why everybody's getting signed up early.
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Dave Rothenberg
So the funny thing though, Don, Is so the two football players are discussing and they're like, oh, 18 games. And then John Winthrop and I, our program director, who are huge football fans, like 18 games. Like it's, you know, it's a polar opposite viewpoint.
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Don La Greca
But. But you know What? I'm the 1 fan. I don't want 18. You don't long dimension returns because I'm telling you, you're going to see load management. You're going to see already. Already. Week eight, week 17 is a waste for a lot of the leagues. It now could be like the last two. And also what's going to happen when you know you're a good team, like, you know that you're a perennial winner. You're Buffalo, you're Kansas City. And you're going to look at the schedule and they're going to be. Guys are like, I think this is the game that we're going to, we're going to take off that we're not. And maybe they, maybe they'll change their mind if they lose like a couple of games in a row.
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Bart Scott
But we got the Browns this weekend.
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Don La Greca
You don't want the, you don't want the NBA ization, if you will, of the NFL where you're throwing weeks away. And it's one thing when you throw a game out of 82 away in the NBA, but if you throw one even of 18, I don't, I don't want it. I don't want that to happen. I want all the games to be meaningful. I want everybody to play. You're going to see quarterbacks, you're going to see like Patrick Mahomes not play. Is that good, Bart?
- [22:43]
Bart Scott
And you're going to see the expansion of the rosters, which is going to make the product even worse because a lot of these guys is playing on Sundays in March. April are going to be playing on Sundays, you're going to be dependent on them. So now you're going to have guys that's blowing game for you because they got to fill in. It's impossible to be able to, you know, expand the game at some point. It's the law of diminishing returns.
- [23:02]
Don La Greca
Yeah.
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Bart Scott
And now what's going to happen? What happens when your favorite player gets hurt at the wrong time because he's a guy that wants to be the Mikhail Bridges and wants to play and be an arm man and you have to save them from themselves. Running backs, too many carries. Now you got to carry more players and it's just going to. I think at some point we're pushing it too far.
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Don La Greca
And you're right. And with three preseason games, you see the month of September being.
- [23:25]
Bart Scott
It's a joke. Yes.
- [23:26]
Dave Rothenberg
Of the preseason, they got to get rid of preseason.
- [23:28]
Don La Greca
But eight.
- [23:29]
Dave Rothenberg
No, no.
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Bart Scott
See, preseason is a necessary evil, right? One, because it allows you to push your load, your workload a little bit more. See, what happens is now you go from 0 to 100 because now you only have two games. So that means that the young guys. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for the old school preseason. I remember Victor Cr Cruz went for 300 yards against us. He wouldn't be here. Right. Those guys don't get opportunities to be seen. Right. So then what happens is now you got your starters playing, you got bad football. Then this is where the injuries come. It always going to come to either that player that is not a starter, but he may be like your dime linebacker, your dime safety that comes in, but he still has to play special teams as well. So what happens is he's going to hurt himself, blow his Achilles out, something like that in preseason because his workload is going to be higher because he's got to play both games and the starters and the superstars won't play.
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Don La Greca
Right.
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Dave Rothenberg
So it's so interesting. So you and I look at it so like diametrically opposed. You look at it from the player's point of view. I look at it from the fans point of view. I have no. I mean, I love the Giants more than anything. Watching a preseason football game now, it's unwatchable.
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Don La Greca
But isn't the beginning of the season becoming unwatchable with how poor the play is?
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Bart Scott
Horrible.
- [24:38]
Dave Rothenberg
But it still matters.
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Don La Greca
But that frustrates me even more, especially for, you know, a team like the Giants are going to need every game to possibly save the regime's job. And you're losing games because players Just aren't ready. And now you're going to go to 18 games, which means they're going to cut it down to just two preseason games, only one game in which the starters play. And now you're going to go through maybe the first six weeks of the season where they're not completely engaged and the football's not great and some teams can bury themselves and there could be games that are lost because guys aren't properly conditioned, or you lose a key player. I understand the logic of more football. I get it. And the preseason, believe me, I. I listen. I got paid for it, so nobody was crying.
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Dave Rothenberg
Preseason is brutal.
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Don La Greca
Doing those jet preseason games, and the building's half empty and I don't know half the players. But you said it's a necessary evil. The evil part we hate. But the necessary is important for the rest of the season.
- [25:30]
Dave Rothenberg
Yeah, I mean, listen, I understand it from that aspect, but, like, from the fan aspect. So I have season tickets to the Giants now. I got. I got to pay full price to.
- [25:38]
Don La Greca
To.
- [25:39]
Dave Rothenberg
It's. It's criminal. It's completely unfair, and it's. It is. It's extortion.
- [25:43]
Bart Scott
But now if Thibodeau goes down in the first couple of games because he's not ready. See, it's a different mindset. You can say that. You know, when you go into preseason, you're like, I'm going to play one, one. One series, and I'm out. You know, when you get in the game, you got to go 100%, and you're not ready to go 100% because you haven't built yourself up.
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Dave Rothenberg
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
You got to be careful. These are the three people, myself, Bart and Dave that did not play golf today. That's correct. And I think we're all very proud.
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Bart Scott
We're better for it. Yes.
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Don La Greca
We're better human beings.
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Dave Rothenberg
Well, especially with shirts like that. You know, I don't get to see you.
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Don La Greca
I don't get to see. Thank you so much.
- [26:14]
Bart Scott
Pleasure and congratulations. Officially on air. Bart Scott is telling die congratulations with the devil's job.
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Don La Greca
You know what? This is why Bart's quality.
- [26:21]
Dave Rothenberg
He's great.
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Don La Greca
He wanted to wait to see me to do it like a human being, not tweet it out and expect.
- [26:26]
Bart Scott
So impersonal, man.
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Don La Greca
It's so impersonal. So.
- [26:29]
Dave Rothenberg
So I sent you a direct text. Is that impersonal?
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Bart Scott
Yeah, it is.
- [26:31]
Dave Rothenberg
It is.
- [26:31]
Bart Scott
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
No, no.
- [26:32]
Dave Rothenberg
What should I have done? I should have called you during your show.
- [26:34]
Bart Scott
During it?
- [26:35]
Dave Rothenberg
During the show.
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Bart Scott
After the show.
- [26:36]
Dave Rothenberg
After the show. So I should have.
- [26:38]
Don La Greca
I should have stood.
- [26:39]
Dave Rothenberg
I love after 6:30 he might have.
- [26:40]
Bart Scott
Sent you the voicemail but now he know you called him. He knows why you were calling.
- [26:44]
Don La Greca
Listen, I love you both and you Both handle it perfectly. 1-800-919-3776. Your thoughts? We've got so many different people coming in and out of the golf here, but Dave's hanging. You can hang, right?
- [26:53]
Dave Rothenberg
Sure. Where do I have to go?
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Don La Greca
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Don La Greca
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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- [30:54]
Dave Rothenberg
But you don't want to lose these games. You can't, then there's gonna be panic. But it's not gonna be like he needs to make a deal. Then it's gonna be like he needs to be fired.
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Don La Greca
But you also, you also don't want. And this happens sometimes because here's the thing about Brian, and I'm a bigger fan of Brian than I think the fans are for sure, because dislike him. It's so interesting if the Yankees ever won the World Series, how the fans that call this show and this station and sports radio in general would react to seeing a team that they hate win a championship. Like they hate the man. They hate the gym.
- [31:27]
Dave Rothenberg
The amount of success Aaron Boone has had and the amount of dislike or hatred for this gentleman is wild. They went to the World Series last year, Don.
- [31:35]
Don La Greca
No, they hate him.
- [31:36]
Dave Rothenberg
They absolutely detest Aaron Boone.
- [31:39]
Don La Greca
The one thing that I will agree with, at least Cash with, is that he sometimes he holds on to his prospects a little too tight.
- [31:46]
Dave Rothenberg
Often, I think.
- [31:47]
Don La Greca
And, and I'm not saying you got to give up the farm for anybody. Suarez is a rental. They're not. Michael brought up a great point during his show. He doesn't have the analytic numbers that tell you that the Yankees are going to resign. So it's a clear rental. So you don't want to give up a Jones or a Lombard junior For a guy that's going to be here for six weeks and then he's out the door.
- [32:06]
Dave Rothenberg
But at the same time, you don't.
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Don La Greca
Want him to slip through your fingers.
- [32:09]
Dave Rothenberg
Unless it helps lead you to. Now, I would give up Lombard. I mean, he's supposed to be KE prospect. I'm not doing that. Spencer Jones. I'd prefer not. I'd prefer not to. But I mean, you know, if it buoys you to get over the hump, then you're willing to trade anything. I mean, the Mets did this moronic trade. They trade for Javi Baez. They trade a guy, Pete Core Armstrong. Nobody really knows much about him. He's a first round pick, but he's not supposed to be an offensive player. Guy's unbelievable. You can't get him out every. He's either stealing bases or hitting home runs. Doubles off lefties like, he's unbelievable now.
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Don La Greca
But another thing about these prospects like Jones seems like he looks like a canvas. He's sending home a home run. It seems like every day he made the jump from Summerson.
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Dave Rothenberg
Anthony Volpe was a can't miss.
- [32:49]
Don La Greca
But you know what? He struck out 40% of his at bats. So what's it going to be like when he makes it to the major leagues? He's going to be Dave Kingman. Yeah. Is he going to be a guy that's going to hit 40 home runs? He's going to strike out. But the 200 times, that's probably what.
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Dave Rothenberg
Team, I mean, teams are probably fine with.
- [33:05]
Don La Greca
I'm going to tell you why right now the Blue Jays are better than the Yankees right now. Forget about the fact that the Yankees are dumb on the base pads and they commit errors is the fact is the Blue Jays don't strike out, so they put the ball in play. That's why it's a bad matchup against the Yankees right now. Because putting the ball in play means the Yankees have a chance to kick the ball around the field.
- [33:22]
Dave Rothenberg
Correct.
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Don La Greca
And then what better way to get out of a jam sometimes is getting strikeouts. And it seems like the Yankees strike out a lot. Blue Jays don't. And that's why I think the Blue Jays are hot. I'll still again believe it when I see it. With the Blue Jays, I agree. But right now, how much more do you have to win to say I guess there are a legitimate threat?
- [33:38]
Dave Rothenberg
No, no, they're a legitimate threat. But I would still lean Yankees. But at some point that pendulum is going to flip. Right. You're going to like, if they go and they sweep them and it's six, you're going to think that Toronto's going to win the division. If they win two out of three and it's four, you might be there. Like the more time and the closer you get to August and September, Don, the more you're going to have to believe in Toronto. And the thing about the Blue Jays I find interesting is, is if you look, and I know you follow this closely every day, they throw out a good starter.
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Don La Greca
Right.
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Dave Rothenberg
They don't have, they don't have a Max Freed. They don't have a school. But every night it's. Bassett is good and Gossman is good and Barrios is good and Lauer is good. It's like every single night they throw out a good starting pitcher.
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Don La Greca
You know what's kind of scary? They're kind of doing this without Guerrero.
- [34:21]
Dave Rothenberg
Yeah.
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Don La Greca
Like if he were to get hot.
- [34:22]
Dave Rothenberg
And Bichette's missed a lot of time, too.
- [34:24]
Don La Greca
Yeah. So they're, they're, they're a good team. A lot of what we're basing the Yankees on is the reputation. They went to the World Series last year, but clearly the American League, I don't think still, I think the National League is still stronger.
- [34:36]
Dave Rothenberg
I don't think it's close, but there's.
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Don La Greca
A lot more obstacles, I think, than we thought at the beginning of the year. I thought the Yankees were going to coast the division title. I thought if there was a threat, maybe it'd be Baltimore. And they've completely.
- [34:47]
Dave Rothenberg
I thought Boston might be the team. And they're not terrible, but they're not going to beat the Yankees.
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Don La Greca
I mean, listen, you won 10 in a row to get back into it, you know, so what's going to happen when kind of come back down to earth. But who knows? You know, it seems all of these teams, with the exception of the Dodgers, have been good for a long time. Listen, the Mets were able to carry a great second half into the postseason. Right. Right now they're alive because of a great start to their season.
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Dave Rothenberg
Correct.
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Don La Greca
The Giants, same thing. Great start to their season. Now they've kind of petered off, but because they did so well and there's so much parity that there isn't truly any great teams that are running away with anything.
- [35:18]
Dave Rothenberg
The team that I think you have to be very aware of because the second half of last year in the playoffs, they were great as Detroit. And the first half of this year they've also.
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Don La Greca
Yeah, but didn't they just lose six straight?
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Dave Rothenberg
They did.
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Don La Greca
You know they did, but they can afford to.
- [35:32]
Dave Rothenberg
If The Yankees lost six straight when they had a 10 game lead, you'd be like, all right, it's not a big. Detroit's not gonna. Not win that division you worry about.
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Don La Greca
White Sox are terrible. Twins are God awful. There's a lot of. That's the thing is there's a lot of average teams, but there's a lot of garbage. I mean, come on. The Rockies, The Rockies are 50 games under.500.
- [35:50]
Dave Rothenberg
It's actually pathetic. Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, you could argue Pittsburgh has the best pitcher in all of baseball and you're not even interested. They're so bad.
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Don La Greca
It's amazing. I saw this stat and it kind of blew me away a little bit because it doesn't seem like that long ago that The Pirates with McCutcheon, they were like a good team, right this. They. They're now on the verge of locking down a 10th consecutive losing season. 10. A decade of losing season.
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Dave Rothenberg
And the thing is so frustrating. They have a great fan base.
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Don La Greca
Great fan base. Great building.
- [36:18]
Dave Rothenberg
Oh, I haven't been there, but the park is supposed to be unbelievable. If they actually would just put a product that was watchable, they'd fill that.
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Don La Greca
Bowl that's such a great. They support everything in that Town, you know, the Penguins and the Steelers and if they. They had a good Pirate team. It's a great sports town. And I know, you know, you, you probably get tickets for the Mets, probably expensive because I'm sure a lot of Met fans would go try to carve out some time especially.
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Dave Rothenberg
I would love, I would love to.
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Don La Greca
To go. I, I had a late season Ranger Penguin game in April, so season that started was a night game. They had a day game. I saw, I looked out the window in my hotel room and I said, oh, that looks like they're home there. People got. I bought tickets like six rows behind home plate for like 50 bucks or something. I just had.
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Dave Rothenberg
The park's amazing.
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Don La Greca
I stayed there for.
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Dave Rothenberg
You can walk right over the bridge, right?
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Don La Greca
Oh, the. The city's so underrated and it's such a great sports town. But come on, what are you asking them to follow? Because even when they had that little spurt with McCutcheon, they were bad before that. You got to go back to the early 90s with Van Slyke.
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Dave Rothenberg
Was in high school.
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Don La Greca
Let's go to the phones at 1-800-919-3776, talk to Bennett and Center Reach. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Bennett?
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Caller Bennett
Hey, guys, how's it going? Don, you mentioned earlier in the show, you know how both these New York baseball teams are in bad shape. And it had me thinking, like, what other sport, right? Can you say that, too? I mean, it's the Yankees and Dodgers and the Mets, right? And then no one else, I think, in terms of, like, big spenders. So, like, you look at the NFL, right? Like the Dallas Cowboys and Jacksonville Jaguars, you know, fan base revenue, it doesn't matter. They make the same amount of money and they can spend this thing. So it comes down to who's smarter, who's better at their job in baseball, like the Yankees, the Mets and the Dodgers, I feel like, are given a free pass with no salary cap because, like, if you look at the Yankees payroll, like, it's huge. But the money that they're giving, players like Marcus Strowman makes 18 million. LeMayhue made 15 when he was on the team. You know, the pitching is ridiculous, the money they're paying them. So I feel like it's a get out of jail free card with these teams where it's like, you know, they can tell their fan base, oh, look at all this money we're spending. But it's like, yeah, are you spending it correctly? So do you guys think that a Salary cap is necessary for the player question.
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Don La Greca
Explain this to me, Bennett. How the other three major sports in this country have a salary cap of baseball doesn't like how the players want.
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Dave Rothenberg
The players want to because their players.
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Don La Greca
Association is too strong to allow it. But tell me how that seems fair.
- [38:45]
Dave Rothenberg
Think about this, Bennett.
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Don La Greca
Right?
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Dave Rothenberg
I mean, we were just talking about teams that they're unwatchable, they don't spend money, they don't care about winning, the Marlins don't care about winning.
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Don La Greca
And it's such garbage because you know what? The, the players association and Bennett, thank you for the phone call. They would argue the sky is red to the owner's blue because they just like to fight and they know they're strong enough going back to Marvin Miller that they're going to win any battle that they decide to get into. Right? But their argument is, well, we don't want to limit salaries. I don't know. Last I saw, NBA players are making north of $60 million a year. Quarterbacks in the NFL are making over $50 million a year. And those are cap sports. And the other thing they fail to grasp is that there'd be a floor, which means some of these smaller market like the Marlins wouldn't be able to get away with a 90, a $35 million payroll. They'd have to maybe have 100 million.
- [39:28]
Dave Rothenberg
Look at Tampa. Now Tampa has figured out a way to make it work by not spending any money. But could you imagine if Tampa had to spend a certain amount of money, like they would actually probably compete every single year.
- [39:36]
Don La Greca
So wouldn't that benefit the players that, hey, I got a place to go where I can make decent money because that team needs to get to the floor. You would think, I just, I don't get it. And listen, I'm a Met fan and I've got Steve COHEN sitting on $16 billion.
- [39:48]
Dave Rothenberg
But it's still unfair.
- [39:49]
Don La Greca
But it doesn't, it's still unfair. It's not fair that he actually, and it really crystallized to me when we had Jeff, we played a cut from Jeff Passen a couple of weeks ago. He's lost like $200 million since owning this team. And he doesn't care because you can set fire to $200 million when you've got 16 billion. So does that seem fair? Does that seem fair that the Padres, a small market team, has a dying owner who's a billionaire who sinks a bunch of money into his team? Or what Huizenga did with the Marlins with, well, we'll compete. We'll throw a bunch of money and then the second we win, I'll sell and then that guy will come in, read the books and go, you know, we've a 30 million dollar payroll and suck for the next 10 years.
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Dave Rothenberg
No, baseball is broken.
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Don La Greca
It doesn't make sense. You want everybody to have an equal chance and like Bennett said, have the smarter general managers and the better managers and the better players win, not the teams that have the most money. Yes, you could screw it up and be Baltimore back in the 90s or the Mets with the best team money, the worst team money can buy and screw it up. But one of the reasons, and I don't want to throw any shade at Brian Cashman, but it does help that the Yankees are competitive every year. When they're in the top 5 of payroll every year, of course, you know, so they can buy themselves out of mistakes. Other franchises make a mistake with DJ lemayhue, they're going to eat that money and have no way to replace.
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Dave Rothenberg
Absolutely.
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Don La Greca
Where the Yankees can cut them and eat that money and not blink. Where it could cripple a franchise like Florida or Pittsburgh or Milwaukee.
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Dave Rothenberg
I said recently on our show in the morning, I said the Yankees and Mets and Dodgers and teams of that ilk should go to the postseason every single year because it's just, it's just an unfair advantage that they have.
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Don La Greca
1-800-919-3776. We're having a lot of fun today at the Colonial Springs Golf Club here in Farmingdale for the Tee it Up Challenge here that we do every year with espn. A lot of celebrities on the course we're going to talk to later on. Justin Tuck is here, Greg Buddle is here. John Starks is here. Eventually Alan Hahn's going to be here. He's actually missing work because of golf.
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Dave Rothenberg
Is that wild? Like he's at a work event, a sanctioned work event that they said, no, no, you finish up golfing and then come to your show.
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Don La Greca
He's like a doctor and we're on the table waiting for him to finish the course so he can come and check us out.
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Dave Rothenberg
I did a full show this morning and now I'm doing another show right now with you.
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Don La Greca
There's Rick DiPietro going by. Look at, look at the celebrities. You can't turn.
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Dave Rothenberg
It's unbelievable.
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Don La Greca
Swing a dead cat without hitting a celebrity. Here.
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Alan Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Don La Greca
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Alan Hahn
Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get.
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Don La Greca
Your podcasts do shows. Management doesn't want us together with Scared.
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Dave Rothenberg
Because they're scared because it would be too explosive. That's my thought is it would be too good and they couldn't handle it.
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Don La Greca
But they, they mistakenly think, well, why would I put two Giant fans and two Met fans and two hockey guys together? But we don't always agree on everything.
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Dave Rothenberg
No.
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Don La Greca
And we're very passionate. And the thing I love about you is that you don't back down. And I, I, I'll die before I lose a fight.
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Dave Rothenberg
Oh, I totally agree.
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Don La Greca
And that makes for good radio, I think. So it irritates people that I work with. Maybe it would irritate you.
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Dave Rothenberg
No, I like that.
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Don La Greca
But Michael will be like, just give up already. I'm no, I'm not gonna give up if I think I'm gonna.
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Dave Rothenberg
Till you're dying breath.
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Don La Greca
Of course. Let's get Back to the phones. 1-800-919-3776. As we're waiting for Alan to get off the course. So let's go to Troy. Tony, excuse me. In Tampa. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Tony?
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Caller Tony
Fellas, what's going on?
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Don La Greca
It's all going. What do you got?
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Caller Tony
I love it. I love it. So I needed to talk to you you fellas about this. Your Big vivos play. Did you guys both see it?
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Don La Greca
Oh, first of all, great throw. But just.
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Dave Rothenberg
Yeah, but that was. That base running was. Base running was embarrassing.
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Don La Greca
Brain dead. Bass running for sure.
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Caller Tony
So I listened to Michael earlier, right, And Michael was saying how, you know, nowadays everybody tends to, to blame the coach, right? Now of course it was on the runner.
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Dave Rothenberg
He's in the get down though. It was going bananas for him to get down and slide.
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Caller Tony
So wait a minute, you think that was going bananas for him to get down? Honestly, I.
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Dave Rothenberg
He told him to get down and slide, didn't he?
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Caller Tony
Right? I mean it was. You got it, you gotta get, you gotta tell this guy with your arms to get down. That was the most non pointing at the bag.
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Don La Greca
Okay, well, you know, for a young.
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Caller Tony
Runner who just came up to the majors, you don't put a little bit on the coach. Then why do we have a coach there, right? He's a young guy, he's looking right at that coach and he's got slamming his arms down.
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Don La Greca
But wait a minute, right, the play's in the corner, right? And it was an unbelievable throw, okay, which nobody in the world could have possibly expected could be made. But if you hustle like you're telling me, he's a young guy, he was jogging. But like I said, I wouldn't tolerate that from my soon to be 8 year old son to dog it to 30 base. Assuming. You never assume that I'm going to be safe. You never assume that everything's good. Now even if you wanted to say that, you've got to be able to communicate, make eye contact with the coach, whether to slide, whether to round the bag, whatever. But at the same time, it was a lazy play. Boone even says it was so lazy you can't do that. You can't make any kind of an assumption on the base path. And it happens too much. Tony, this team, they are so talented and they should be up in this division, but it's the mistakes that they make and the arrogance in which they play with that allows teams like the Blue Jays, the Red Sox to hang around. This isn't the old days where you could fundamentals be damned. Because we had an all star at every position and we're going to club everybody to death and we're going to win our games. Well, you know what? Now other teams have figured it out. The Dodgers figured it out. The game plan was put the ball in play and they laughed at you. Yes, we'll give it back to you.
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Dave Rothenberg
And they laughed at you.
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Don La Greca
Which wasn't Right. But at the same time, get better at playing baseball. Don't give runs away. This goes for the Mets, too, okay? I don't care that you're in contention. I don't care that you got a $300 million payroll. Use your brain, all right? And the fact that he's a young kid, Tony, is no excuse. He's gone through the minor leagues. He played in high school. Like I said, you're taught to always play the play out. So just because you're a rookie in Major League Baseball is not the first time you're playing in baseball. By the time you get up here, you should know never to take anything for granted. And even though nobody thought that Acuna would be able to make that play, he did. And if he slides, he's safe. And they ran themselves out of an inning. What a play.
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Dave Rothenberg
What a throw. I mean, that was Dave Parker. I mean, he went from almost a foul line all the way to third base. A perfect throw on the fly. Again, all he had to do. And he's fighting for time. He's a guy that's trying to get, you know, day in, day out kind of playing time to run, for God's sakes.
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Don La Greca
But that bothered me from Tony. No offense that, but. Well, he's a rookie. He's not a kid in the sense that he's been playing baseball his whole life. Now's not the time to think of a grand. Come on, now is not the time. You know, like the Timo Perez play in the 2000 World Series. I don't care that he was a kid. He's in the World Series. He's a major leaguer. He's played baseball his entire life. You run it out, that play will.
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Dave Rothenberg
Haunt me till I die. The Timo Perez Todd Zil off the top of the wall. He was like, lollygagging his right around the bases.
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Don La Greca
God, I just. That just so. It so frustrates me. And I'm playing baseball with Marco and I'm working with him because, you know, my dad worked with me, and I love it, you know, And I don't get a ton of time, so we spend a lot of time playing with football, playing baseball. And the one thing that I will never accept from him, he could strike out, he can drop the ball hustle is that don't not try.
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Dave Rothenberg
So, same way you bust it.
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Don La Greca
You run around the bases, you give it your all. I'm not, and I won't tolerate it. I agree with you because it's the one thing that you can Absolutely, positively control, all right, you're going to make mistakes. You're gonna have brain farts. It happens. We all do it. But do it at a thousand miles per hour if you can, and it's a lot more forgivable. And Boone, I'm sure Boone wanted to bench him, but he said, you know, it wasn't, it wasn't a, you know, he wasn't jaking it. He just had a mental thing. But, and listen, you're not really in a position now where you're trying to find somebody to play third to keep jazz at second, to start punishing kids. But at the same time, for Boone to say that he didn't like it, that, that's almost like humiliating.
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Dave Rothenberg
It doesn't get much worse.
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Don La Greca
It doesn't get much more, you know, Boone does not do that. 1-800-919-3776. We've got two and a half hours of radio coming up, more your phone calls. Allen's gonna join us here eventually, as soon as he's done with his scramble here at the Colonial Springs Golf Course. Justin Tuck's hanging around, John Starks is here, Greg Buddle's here. And they all got to come here. They got to come through us.
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Dave Rothenberg
That's right.
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Don La Greca
To be able to get the free food. Right.
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Dave Rothenberg
We're the conduit.
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Don La Greca
That's where you situate yourself, right? Is that they've got to come through us. So we're going to be grabbing them whether they like it or not here on Don Hahn and Rosenberg on ESPN New York.
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Alan Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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Dave Rothenberg
I don't want to know how the.
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Alan Hahn
Sausage is made, man.
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Dave Rothenberg
I just want to know.
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Bart Scott
It's good.
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Alan Hahn
Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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Dave Rothenberg
You've seen the headlines, heard the debates. Some say the three point ball has created a monotonous rhythm to the game. Has the three pointer ruined basketball? And how did we get here?
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Don La Greca
The rise of the three point shot can be partially traced to an eccentric Kansas genius named Martin Manley, whose story.
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Dave Rothenberg
Didn'T turn out quite the way he imagined.
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Don La Greca
I decided I wanted to have one of the most organized goodbyes in history, and I think I will be successful.
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Dave Rothenberg
30 for 30 podcast presents a brand new original series, Chasing basketball heaven, available July 22. Wherever you get your podcasts.