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Don La Greca
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Peter Rosenberg
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Don La Greca
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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Peter Rosenberg
Don, I'll be licking the television screen. Licking it like it's ice cream.
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Don La Greca
Han.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, the type of music I listen to would make you cry.
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Don La Greca
And Rosenberg, I expect to be called ball coach.
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Peter Rosenberg
This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.
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Don La Greca
This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg, the best threesome I've ever heard on ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube
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Peter Rosenberg
300 one of the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg live From Stout on 35th street between 7th and 8th, just down the street from Madison Square Garden, the site of Game 2 between the Knicks and the Sixers. Will Philadelphia even the series at one or will the Knicks hold serve? What's up, boys? Hi. Rainy day, but nothing but sunshine. And Nick Land.
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Alan Hahn
This day just completely flipped at around what what was was like one o'.
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Ian Fitzsimmons
Clock.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, about one o' clock. I get the text message.
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Alan Hahn
Sham Sharania puts out a report that and it's funny I've been saying about this series is, you know, head to head with the star power on both sides. You always talk about matchups and the one thing with the Sixers, they're one tweak away from missing a key piece because they've got a couple of guys that have injury history. And of course, no one more than Joel Embiid. And Joel Embiid will not play tonight.
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Michael Kay
Oh, boy.
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Alan Hahn
With ankle soreness, hip soreness, general soreness.
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Peter Rosenberg
That's what general soreness.
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Alan Hahn
And and it really changes everything tonight. It changes your perspective about tonight. I think it changes the game plan tonight. But does it change anything about the rest of the series? Now I, I, I have all along felt the Knick should win this series, but I don't know how, like how much this is tonight to Me how you completely put your foot now on the neck of the Sixers.
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Peter Rosenberg
But you know what's interesting? Wasn't that the case anyway? I mean, you're home, you're on a roll. This was such a big game to begin with. I understand what you're saying now. You almost have to because their best player is not playing. But I still felt that going in anyway. But now.
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Michael Kay
Now it. But now it adds to the pressure, because if you lose this game, somehow you mess around, you show that you're not as serious as we thought, you take your foot off the gas, it looks especially bad, and it changes the tenor a bit.
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Alan Hahn
And let me remind you, Boston won Game 1 against the Sixers by 30. Smoked them, and everybody's like, this is not even going to be a series. Sixers were a play in team game two. Boston messed around and found out.
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Michael Kay
Yep.
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Alan Hahn
Right?
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Michael Kay
That's right.
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Alan Hahn
They didn't take it serious. The Sixers would just. All of a sudden, there was no. There was no Embiid in Game one or game two or Game three. There was no Embiid yet. And so because they were able to beat them so easily in Game one, this. This sense of security in Game two for the Celtics, which eventually ended up hurting them for the rest of the series, relying on the threes, the Sixers played fast, hit a bunch of threes, and suddenly stole game two one. Game two. And now you're split. And now the series has this sense of it's not really over yet. And then the specter of Embiid coming back, you know, showed up in Game four. And then the whole series changed once Embiid came back. So that's why, as Josh Hart's Talked about it, McBride's talked about it, Jalen Brunson's talked about it, the Knicks know. They've been here before. They've been through these situations. You win game one, you're in the driver's seat. But if you lose game two, you give it back. And five times they've played. This is my stat. Five times they have been. They've had home court advantage in a series and one Game one, three times out of the five, they've lost game two and ended up with a split being home. So three out of the five times, they're.
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Michael Kay
They're giving away.
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Alan Hahn
Giving back home court.
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Michael Kay
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
Now the good news, they've won all three of those series, including Atlanta. But I don't think that's what you want to see tonight. You don't want that tonight. And I Think there's this bit of a sense of urgency that we've heard in the off day from the Knicks that has to make you believe that with Embiid, without Embiid, they will be ready to play and take care of business tonight.
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Michael Kay
Now, this. This team has been doing something special, and this city and this fan base feels different than they have in a long time. Listen, if the Knicks lose tonight, I still would, of course, bet them to win the series. But you really do, as long as you can keep capitalizing on this thing, you know, and by the way, this thing that they're on right now, it may end and they still go on to have a great playoff run. But as long as you can keep this proverbial toot, as you might say, Don, going four straight blowouts, essentially, you want to keep this train going. Now, I happen, you guys, if you've been following along with the program that we do here every day from three to seven, you know that I. I've bet the Knicks four times in a row. Last time was even by accident.
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Peter Rosenberg
Still hit, right?
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Alan Hahn
That's true. It took your bet without you.
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Michael Kay
Actually, I didn't even mean to. And it took.
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Alan Hahn
You hovered and it said, no, you want this.
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Michael Kay
Trust me. Yesterday I took. As you guys know, I threw another five, honey, which for me is like 5 million. Might as well be down on the Knicks at seven and a half. And we said on the air, I said. I said, let me get it now in case the line goes up.
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Peter Rosenberg
I think we've actually said in case something.
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Michael Kay
Someone made a joke. Someone said, oh, if Embiid breaks a nail and misses the game, that was me. That was you, Jacob. And at last check, it was ten and a half from seven and a half yesterday. So if you're paying, if you're playing along with the Peter Nick's love affair, that's happening right now. Well, we got some more good news today.
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Peter Rosenberg
I never played professional basketball, but I'm competitive. I've put myself in situations where. How would I deal with this if I were the Knicks? All right, would I take my foot off the gas, oh, we're going to win this game easy. Or would I look at the disrespect that I generally get from outside of New York, where nobody really respects us at the level that they should, and we're on this run that has been heavenly. And now with them beat out, the expectation is the Knicks should thrash them. Let's live up to expectations. Let's go out there and just destroy them, because it'll feel like a loss, at least to me, if the Sixers are competitive and the Knicks win on a last second shot, gratifying as that would be to win a close game, it would almost feel like, geez, without Embiid, the Sixers played better and they hung.
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Michael Kay
Maybe they figured something out. Maybe they're on to something now.
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Peter Rosenberg
Isn't there a motivation to do just go out there and just improve it? Well, beat them by 40 if you can.
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Michael Kay
And Alan and I were discussing this before we went on the air. The fact of the matter is, when you remove a great and important player from a team, while there is, of course a huge loss that comes with that, you fundamentally change the ethos and vibe of the team. So you're now playing a new team tonight.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's like, you know, you hear stories about when somebody loses their sight, their hearing gets stronger, other senses get stronger. Right. If that happens in sports where, oh, they're dead, you know, the best players out, or the baseball team starting a rookie because the starting pitcher got hurt, and they just rise to the occasion. I'm sure everybody with the Philadelphia 76ers are like, nobody's believing in us. We've been in this situation before. It's not like we have to make that big of an adjustment. This guy's been out for. We've played a lot of games without our best player, including in the postseason.
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Michael Kay
They're comfortable. They know. They know what this is.
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Peter Rosenberg
So it almost becomes what I think, whether the Knicks thrive. The Knicks thrive on nobody believes in us. Let's go prove the world wrong. That's going to be the Sixers attitude. And the Knicks should be worried about that and say, no, no, no, no, no. This is a situation where the line's gone up to double digits. Let's just show the world. Because anything less than that is going to feel like the Knicks are fugazi. Right? For all the people that believe the Knicks are a paper champion, a close game tonight feeds into that. Not that you should worry about that, but I'm sure professional athletes do. Why feed into that narrative where a win becomes a loss because you didn't win by enough because their best player was out. But that should motivate you to really get the hammer out. So destroy them.
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Michael Kay
So, Allen, how will this look different based on what the Sixers do when they don't have embiid? How will this game look different?
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Alan Hahn
Let's remember that they didn't have embiid for the first three games of the Boston series and Boston was up 2:1. Then when he came back, it didn't help them and they went up 3:1. So just understand that without Embiid, they're not a better team. But they do have, they do know how to play without them and that's why they were able to steal game too. Brad Stevens talked today and they know it. They gave that series away and a lot of it had to do with the fact that they were not very good at knocking down the threes. The Knicks aren't relying on that. The Knicks are getting in the paint. The Knicks are scoring in the paint. The Knicks were taking more game one, took more shots and were had a higher percentage of finish at the rim and in the paint than the Celtics did on average in their series. So Boston spent a lot of time in the perimeter, which plays to what Sixers want. Without Embiid, it's even easier now. Put him in pick and roll. They were killing him, but you know, they were going to adjust on that. Now they don't have to. They don't have much rim protection at all. Same as the Hawks. I almost feel like it's kind of going to be a similar attack from the Nick perspective against Atlanta where they don't have a lot of big guys. They have Adem Bona who's probably going to start. He's a big guy. He's, he, he's, you know, he's one of these guys that just plays with a lot of energy, fouls the hell out of everybody, falls into his own teammate. He, you know, he's, he's a wild card kind of player. But his energy is great and he can give you energy moments. But he's not an offensive threat. Right. He's not somebody that you really have to worry about. So it becomes a big Maxi and Paul George game and that means a big drive and kick for threes. Edgecomb threes, catch and shoot. Very good. Paul George, very good shooting the three in the playoffs so far. That's the part you have to worry about. The Knicks ability to defend the three. The good news is, and I'm telling you once again, as I said, playing the Hawks might have been a good thing because it's going to be the same thing that Atlanta was trying to do. Play fast, get turnovers and a lot of kick out threes that make you scramble defensively and in transition. If maxi goes for 30 or even 40 tonight, salute. It's whoever else has a big game that you worry about. You know, Maxi is going to be the engine that's what he does. What you don't want is other guys to beat you, and that's Edgecombe, and that's, of course, Paul George and even Quentin Grimes in a smaller role.
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Peter Rosenberg
Sixers regular season with Embiid, 24 and 14. Without him, 21 and 23. That tells me two things. Obviously, they're better with Embiid, and they played a lot of games without them. Yes, 44 games of the regular season, more than half the season without Embiid. So this should be a natural transition.
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Alan Hahn
Remember how much of that was also without Embiid And Paul George, because, remember, Paul George missed a bulk of the season because of the. The PED stuff.
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Peter Rosenberg
But what you just described, though, is kind of the essence of the NBA. And I know you roll your eyes, but it does simplify things. Where, hey, if they hit these threes, it could be a very competitive game.
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Alan Hahn
That's how they won Game two. The Sixers won Game two because they got red hot downtown.
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Peter Rosenberg
I mean, Atlanta didn't hit their threes, and they were awful at it, especially early in the game. And the Knicks were able to take advantage. And when you look at NBA games, that's usually it, right? And that could work to the Sixers advantage. They're hot from three, and the Knicks are cold. That can change everything with or without MP in there, but it sounds to me like they'll be a little bit more reliant on that. How that affects the game, we'll ultimately see. But still, when you take a player of his significance out, well, think you've already been big time and on a roll anyway, and let me feel pretty
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Alan Hahn
good, let me do that, because I don't want to diminish his absence and say, well, they're used to playing without him. And, you know, I'm getting like, you know, again, talking to people. My phone blew up when all that happened, and a lot of people were saying to me, they're better off without him. I said, no, no, no, not really. And not in this matchup. Because he got Townes in foul trouble early. He got Robinson in foul trouble early. And that was dangerous early in game one. Now, it didn't end up mattering, but because of his ability to get you in foul trouble and cause disruption, and he's. He's gravity a lot of times offensively. And what he did against Boston, that was the difference in why they won that series. Because he became similar to Towns. He became the hub of the offense. He's a very important player for them. When he's when he's on the court and he's playing well. So they're, they're going to have to play another way without him. And a big part of it is, as we said, they're going to have to win the perimeter game against the Knicks defense. And if you know Nick Nurse, he's one of the great coaches in the NBA, he won a championship, he comes up with some type of defense and he just tries a million different things until he finds the one thing that works and then he sticks to it. And I think we're going to see a heavy dose of zone, take the pain away and say, let's see if they can make threes because they did that with Boston and Boston couldn't make them.
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Peter Rosenberg
The only way I'd believe, Peter, that they're better off without Embiid is if you're telling me that this hip and ankle injury affected him big time in game one, which is not nothing. I mean, it's less than 48 hours later and he's out. So was he lumbering injured, affecting them where they're better off without him? Because he wasn't going to be close to.
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Alan Hahn
He was bad at pick and roll defense.
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Peter Rosenberg
Really bad. So from that standpoint, can they do a better job? Because if you have mb, you have a compromised mb.
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Michael Kay
Well, and I also just wonder now, now, as Alan mentioned, the lack of rim protection for Philadelphia, does having his body out of the middle naturally changed the way the Knicks offense performed in game one? And by changing that, is there some negative ramification? Do you end up playing a little bit more Brunson ball? Does he end up popping a little bit more, which is not where they want to go. We know that this team has been thriving when the offense runs through Cat and OG and Jalen just gets his. So you never know what Nick Nurse tries to come up with to push them back into a Knicks version of basketball that we know has not been as effective.
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Alan Hahn
That's. That's exactly it, Peter. That's exactly it. Is pack the paint and take away a lot of the one on one stuff with a ton of help and traps and all kinds of junk defense and just say, Josh Sharp, you're going to have to make all those threes. You're going to get in the corner, Mikhail Bridges, you're going to have to make all those shots, put it on other people to beat you. And then on top of it, you know, they talked a lot of physicality after game one. Now Embiid did a lot of the
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Michael Kay
talking he always does.
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Alan Hahn
And so it's interesting that Embiid's the one that's not playing, but he's the one that was doing a lot of the talk about physicality. They were more physical. We need the more physical too, and all that stuff. But I am curious to see if it's sort of like, okay, now we got to take one of them out and they go after Carl Anthony Towns in this game tonight. That's something I'm really curious. They know with Brunson, it's very difficult to guard him. And you got to guard him straight up and you got to send help and all that stuff. Town still has that reputation of somebody that can get taken off his game if you hit him a lot and frustrate him. And that's what, again, if you have a guy like a Demboni, like, dude, you got six fouls, use them all. Use them. Oh, yeah, don't let him. If he's driving by, you shove him. And I think that's something that I would watch tonight with Robinson as well. Frustrate him by fouling it on purpose and making go to free throw line. He was 0 for 4 in Game 1. If he starts missing free throws and the building starts getting frustrated at him and the offense now gets stagnant because they're purposely fouling Robinson, now you got to take him out of the game. These are all little chess match kind of moves that Nick Nurse can use that can frustrate and slow down what the Knicks have right now, which is a high octane offense that has been putting up 135, 140 points a game.
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Peter Rosenberg
Hey, they can try whatever, right? I mean, they, they've got nothing to lose. It's still, it's still a road game for them. And even though we've seen a lot of road teams do well in these playoffs, all the Knicks would do is hold serve if they won this game. So I'm not saying that there's no pressure on the Sixers, but, you know, pull out all the stops, right? Nobody believes you lost your best player. You're on the road against the team that looks like a force, and you'll play like you got nothing to lose. And if you do lose the game again, although we all believe the Knicks are winning this series, it doesn't really change much because they haven't even played a game at home yet, right? So I think everybody kind of expected after the way they won game one. Even though you said that there's a recent history of losing game Two that this was going to be a game that the Knicks, they were a heavy favorite going in even with them be playing.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. So most people that look at this series just see, saw game one and just saw the Knicks as a team that while talent for talent, both teams have a ton of talent and at full health. The Sixers have a lot of key players who are very talented. They have three really like high level, all NBA type talent right in Paul George and Embiid and, and Maxey. But when you take one away and the way the Knicks have been playing as a team, the consensus has been not just again, locally I keep saying this and never mind the orange and blue skies that we have here, but nationally the sense has been the Knicks are going to win the series. The Knicks are the better team. And now without Embiid, the pressure is on the Knicks to not waste any time, take full control of this series, up 20 and then go to Philly knowing A, you're probably going to have a lot of people there on your side and B, you could put this series away pretty quickly with just one more win.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, that's for sure.
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Michael Kay
Especially if if now it's a different looking Sixers and they crush that one too. It's like, all right, well we had the Embiid version. Game one, right. Disgusting. Game two, no Embiid, also disgusting. You talk about that building empty out for game three.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, you'll sell tickets and then beads out.
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Michael Kay
And then if we find out he's
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Alan Hahn
out again, those people sell tickets. The Embiid thing. Here's the one observation I have. I'm thinking he's taking this game off. I don't think this is a lingering rest of the series type deal for him. I honestly think he wants to be as fresh as he can for game three. He looks at the two games in Philly. More important, he knows that there's no time off between games. It's just game off game. I think in his back of his mind he got up this morning, probably felt a little soreness and thought to himself, forget it. If I play tonight, it's not going to do any. I need to get my, my, my gas tank full. Let me have that for game three.
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Peter Rosenberg
If you think about it back to my original point from a moment ago, it's not a must win for the Sixers. It feels like it the way the Knicks are playing.
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Alan Hahn
No, it's not.
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Peter Rosenberg
But you just hold serve.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
And they can go back home and you know, and listen, I think the Knick fans are into the Sixers heads. And that's something I think the fans really need to be proud of. You have affected them. They're talking about you. They're talking about how loud the building is, how difficult it is to play a Madison Square Garden. You usually don't hear players say that. You know, the announcers will say it, the media will say it, but for players to say it, it's affecting them. Don't you let up. You know, we're talking about the Knicks. We can't control that. But you as fans, don't go in there having a party like you're going to go up 2 0. Come with the intensity because they're feeling it, man. They are feeling it. They're talking about it. You're in their heads. Live in their heads. Be very, very proud of that. But that's a great strategy if that's the case, Alan, because, listen, the likelihood of winning the series without Embiid is like zero. Even with embiid, it's close to zero. And you want to make sure that you're ready for the must win Game three. And no matter what happens tonight, it's gonna be a must win game three. Right? We talk about in the best of seven, Joe Tory talked about it all the time, too. Game three is always so huge. 112035 either way, all the big ones. So, you know, if he's going to play similar to the way he played in Game one, it's going to be a loss anyway. That's why it feels like the Sixers tonight are playing with house money. Their player probably strategically is out of this game because they know their chance of winning are slim anyway. They're focused on the game coming up on Friday in Philadelphia for Game 3, which is going to be a must win for them. Now they come in and does that looseness of its house money give them a little bit of confidence to go out there and try some things? Maybe something works. And I'm telling you, if the Knicks let up at all, that could be dangerous. Hopefully that's a thing of the past,
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Alan Hahn
but I don't see it.
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Peter Rosenberg
Tonight is going to be very interesting to test the theory of whether it's really out of their system or not.
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Alan Hahn
It's a great point because, like, this is what I've loved about the messaging that they've had since Game one, since the win, after the game, post game and even in the off day yesterday. So much of the messaging has been, we've been through this. It's that it's just going back on their experience of we've been through this, we know what this is. We know like what we have to do because we've learned from our mistakes in the past. We understand like, like Josh Hart saying that game is yesterday. Like that doesn't matter anymore. We can't live on that stuff anymore. We can't, we can't sit back on that stuff anymore. I think all that like Jalen Brunson was, was asked, do you think this team has really, you know, hit its peak? His answer was, I hope not. That's exactly it. It's that urgency that you've learned over the years that, hey, you want a playoff series and you started feeling good about yourself and then you realize, I got to win another playoff series. It's what everybody said about getting to the conference finals last year that echoed in that locker room because of the perspective. It's yeah, you got to the conference finals but you're still halfway there. You were halfway, you didn't get there all the way. You got halfway there. And I know Don, that's, I think believe you said something like that. I heard that in the locker room during the regular season. I was like, that's interesting that you guys see that that way too. Because the sense of everybody else is you're one round away. So that's why it's a great test tonight of have you guys learned did game two and then of course the way game three started wake you guys up to realize it's now or never. Boston's out, the Dragons been slayed, they're gone. Detroit, they got a great game one last night. They looked really good but you don't know what that series is going to be and you've already seen what that, what they've looked like when they struggle. The east is there for this team and the odds on favor to get out of the East. Now according to Vegas resides here in New York, right?
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Peter Rosenberg
But that can change in one game tonight at Madison Square Garden with no embiid for the Sixers. Want to hear from you at 1-800-919-3776. Big show here at stout. Monica McNutt's going to join us. Bill Peto's going to join us. Other surprises as well. We've got an ENN at 550 today because we're out of Dodge at 6 because the Nick game is on 880 at 7 o' clock and Pat O' Keefe is going to have the hour long pregame. So that means the Mets are going to be on 1050 and that's the way it's going to be for the rest of this run for the New York Knicks, and we want to thank our partners with the Mets for allowing that to happen. So if you're coming to stout, it's on 35th between 7th and 8th, so instead of sitting out on the rain outside Madison Square Garden, come hang out with us. That's it. Don ahnon Rosenberg Till 6 here on ESPN New York if you've ever wanted
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Don La Greca
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Michael Kay
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Alan Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
Just go through the door, go right upstairs. We're hanging out till six. Why six? Because the Nick game is at seven and Pat o' Keefe's going to take over. And at seven o' clock with the pregame six o' clock Mets could be six o' clock with the pregame for the seven o' clock tip. Pat o' Keefe is going to be doing that. And the Mets will be on 1050, so we want to thank them for that as well. Mets and the Rockies later on tonight so you can consume them there.
- [27:16]
Alan Hahn
How much we love the seven o' clock tip off tonight, by the way.
- [27:19]
Peter Rosenberg
Love it.
- [27:19]
Michael Kay
Oh, I mean, for a million reasons.
- [27:21]
Alan Hahn
7:00 clock tip off is just, just get right to the game. Let's go.
- [27:25]
Peter Rosenberg
You said something interesting about the whole halfway thing and thank you for remembering because I've been saying it because I went through it with the jets going to the championship game in 09 and 2010 and the two Ranger runs to the conference final in 22 and 24 and even last year with the Knicks. Is that the conference final or the championship game in the NFL or even the Mets going to the league championship series a couple of years ago in 24. From a proximity standpoint, it's close, right? You're one round away from going to the super bowl, sniff the World Series, the final. But you are technically only halfway there. Now from a game standpoint. Well, the Knicks lost in six to the Pacers last year, so they won more than half the games necessary. Of the 16 they needed to win, they ended up winning 12, right? Or no. 1010, you know, so that technically you were more than halfway. But as far as rounds are concerned, you're only halfway. You've got to win that series you didn't win or that game you didn't win and then move on and then win that game. And I know it's a different sport, but Wayne Gretzky always said there are Four seasons in hockey. Here's the preseason, there's the regular season, there's the playoffs and then there's the final. Yeah, like the final is different.
- [28:46]
Alan Hahn
So that's two weeks of just.
- [28:48]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, you make these runs. But then when you finally get to a place where it's you and the other team in the league, whether it's 32, whether it's 30, however many teams there in the league, you're down to the last two, last four, Still a very small number, but still double.
- [29:06]
Michael Kay
It is funny.
- [29:07]
Peter Rosenberg
It's a great take, no, such a great take.
- [29:09]
Michael Kay
The more you think about it. I. Here's why I can relate to it recently, don't get me wrong, I was absolutely on cloud nine to have the commies in the championship game.
- [29:20]
Alan Hahn
Cloud nine had that championship game go well.
- [29:22]
Michael Kay
Not great.
- [29:22]
Peter Rosenberg
Not great, but not bad either.
- [29:24]
Michael Kay
But also. But here's the thing though. You know how different it hits when you make the super bowl. When you have the two week lead up and you're now that team. You realize that Jaden Daniels would be a markedly different human being right now had they won that game and had that whole two weeks as that team. It fundamentally changes you to make a final. Jalen Brunson will be a different guy. If he is the guy who's leading this team in a final, it changes you in ways forever.
- [29:50]
Alan Hahn
Think about this. In 99, that team got to the final. Now they had no chance against that spurs team that was on the. The beginning of a dynasty. Right. And we knew that. Especially without Patrick Ewing. With a healthy Patrick they might have shot, but obviously without a healthy Patrick they had no chance. But those guys, Sprewell, Houston, Larry Johnson, like they, they walk, they don't walk on the ground. They float in this, in this city. All based on the fact that they made it.
- [30:24]
Peter Rosenberg
Yep.
- [30:25]
Alan Hahn
You know what I mean? And that run and what it meant and all that stuff that there is something about that. Now I understand this because I got a lot of criticism yesterday because of Michael in Manhattan who wanted to wet blanket everything that's going on.
- [30:37]
Peter Rosenberg
But you had a great tape. Not even a take, just a video of you being so disgusting.
- [30:41]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
- [30:42]
Michael Kay
What was the feedback?
- [30:43]
Alan Hahn
The feedback was generally that, like accepting, you know, that it's just, you know, like, oh, it's just good to be there and all that stuff. And as if we're trying to sell the fact that this is all in fun when it's not supposed to be fun. This is very serious business because it's been 53 years. I understand that. But there still is something about the journey and the stories and everything that goes with it. Yeah, of course you want to win the whole damn thing. But you know what, everybody, you gotta get there first. You can't talk about winning a championship in the second round.
- [31:14]
Peter Rosenberg
And also when you get to the
- [31:15]
Alan Hahn
final, then we can talk about it. But you can't talk about that right now. What you got to talk about is how many series can you get through, how many times can you do it to the final? Because they haven't done that in 26 years.
- [31:28]
Peter Rosenberg
But you were also disgusted by the fact that he hates the sport. He's watching clearly. And also disregarding the team that likely will be there, the Oklahoma City Thunder, that might be in the midst of the same dynasty. We saw the spurs back in 1999. So that's why this whole. Championship or bust. Come on.
- [31:45]
Michael Kay
If you.
- [31:45]
Peter Rosenberg
If you take on the T Wolves or the Lakers in the final, maybe it's a different story. But the Thunder, that's a whole nother kettle of fish, so to speak. But there's a reason why when you win the league championship series in baseball, when you win the championship game in the NFL, when you win the conference final in the NHL or the conference final in the NBA, they give you something, right? The Mets beat the Dodgers. They would have gotten the National League pennant. There'd be a banner at Citi Field for that. If the Knicks had won last year, there'd be a banner at the Garden. Eastern Conference champions.
- [32:18]
Alan Hahn
Yep.
- [32:18]
Peter Rosenberg
No way. You don't get nothing for going two rounds. No, you know, it's great, but you don't get anything. So you won two rounds. Big deal. Or you got to play in rarefied air. You got invited to the party. You got through the velvet ropes, but you're drinking your beer, leaning against the wall, not dancing with anybody. That's the difference. You're only halfway there.
- [32:37]
Michael Kay
You're in the vip, but you're not in the champagne.
- [32:39]
Peter Rosenberg
You got. Listen, it's 1979.
- [32:41]
Alan Hahn
The Madonna, Sabrina Carpenter party. You're not getting in that.
- [32:44]
Peter Rosenberg
No, no, you're not getting in that. It's 1979. You get into Studio 54, which is not nothing. No, it's nothing. She got sent home.
- [32:52]
Michael Kay
That's right.
- [32:52]
Peter Rosenberg
I mean, that's. That's the level. But. But when they ask you, you got in the Studio 54, what did you do? I hung out by the bathroom and leaned against the wall and drank water. They'd be like, you weren't really?
- [33:03]
Alan Hahn
You're not really that good for you, right? You weren't there.
- [33:05]
Michael Kay
Did you see Michael Jackson?
- [33:06]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, I didn't see Brooke Shields there.
- [33:08]
Alan Hahn
I heard he was there. I didn't see him. So this is the fourth straight year they've advanced in the playoffs. Right? We haven't seen that since.
- [33:15]
Peter Rosenberg
Which is not nothing.
- [33:16]
Alan Hahn
It's not nothing because nine straight years. Ewing did that in the 90s, and that was a. It's a special run. But Josh Harden, Jalen Brunson have been the key pieces in a team that has now advanced four straight years, which is, again, considering Nick, history, recent history, at least that's a nice run. Carmelo Anthony can't say that. Harry Starmeier can't say that. But when Hart was asked about it, this is why I'm saying, I think they get it. I think they're starting to understand it now. He was asked, like, what does that mean? That, you know, you've had this run now where you've won a playoff series, at least one playoff series every year. He said, not a damn thing. Because that's not the goal. The goal isn't just to advance one or two series. This is a core, especially with Brunson. Bridges is a part of it. Brunson and Hart, they've won a national championship. In fact, Brunson won two. That's what they talk about is the end goal is not, hey, we got to the sweet 16. No, it's. It's. We got to the championship.
- [34:09]
Michael Kay
You guys doing that twice in college, like that. Winning that tournament twice, where you have to keep winning.
- [34:13]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
- [34:14]
Michael Kay
And you did it twice.
- [34:15]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
- [34:15]
Michael Kay
All the way through. Yeah, like that. That's six. It's all. That's.
- [34:18]
Alan Hahn
And in between, I think they got to the sweet 16 and they were devastated. It was like, this is like, no, this ain't it.
- [34:25]
Michael Kay
That's a guy who's.
- [34:25]
Alan Hahn
You could say, wow, he had three years. You got at least two Sweet Sixteens. Like, don't even talk about that year. But that's the whole point, is you have to get there. You've always talked about, like, how you have to go through the pain of losing to learn how to win. This just might be that. And tonight is another great example of how locked in are you, that it's, as I've said this many times, this playoff run is not about the. It's not about the opponent you're playing. I don't care who it is. I don't care if it's the Sixers with or Without Embiid now, I don't care if it's the Pistons later. I don't care if it's the Thunder later. This is always going to be now about the Knicks. What are you guys about right now? And how, how locked in can you be? Because I'll tell you what, last four games, that's as locked in as I've seen a team, at least in New York, in a long time.
- [35:09]
Peter Rosenberg
And as devastating it is to lose the next time you get back, it hurts worse. I mean, I, I guarantee you, if we were to call and unfortunately, he's no longer with us. But like I had a relationship with Nick Mangold 2010 hurt more than 2009. 2009. Hey, you're happy to be there. Great run. It took the Colts to bench their starters in the second half to get in the playoffs anyway. But then you go back the next year. That loss in Pittsburgh had to hurt way worse.
- [35:36]
Michael Kay
No, because way worse. You're like, if we ever get back, we know what to do and we're going to do it. Then you got back and you did.
- [35:41]
Alan Hahn
That was Bart's thing. That was Bart's. That was Bart. Bart was the can't wait. Because that can't wait moment wasn't just about beating the Patriots.
- [35:51]
Peter Rosenberg
No, we're ready.
- [35:52]
Alan Hahn
That was. We just took out the team that everybody thought we couldn't beat. Ain't nobody going to beat us now.
- [35:58]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
- [35:58]
Alan Hahn
Like, that was their true feeling.
- [36:00]
Peter Rosenberg
And I'm sure still in. As you said, Ewing was hurt in 99, but I bet you as tough as it was to lose to the spurs, toughest it was to lose to the Rockets, especially in the way they lost. I'm sure 95 hurt way worse because now you. Because you're trying to go back. Right. And that loss to the Pacers, probably I missed that, the finger roll.
- [36:22]
Alan Hahn
And you knew that that was because by then the Riley stuff was getting real. And that sense of that's it, like, this is it. This was the run.
- [36:31]
Peter Rosenberg
And you know what?
- [36:31]
Alan Hahn
It's also real was that was the time. Which is why I look at this is this was the. This is the time.
- [36:36]
Peter Rosenberg
And don't you. And this is, you know, this is certainly a conversation. And we're. We're having some technical difficulties with our phones. We apologize. And as soon as we get that up, we'll start taking your calls, start tweeting 9193776. But we do have social media. You can get in touch with us on Instagram on X if you want to be able to do that in the, in the meantime. But it's, it's just that what's going to change if we don't win?
- [37:02]
Michael Kay
Because.
- [37:03]
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, so losing in the now, losing in the final, maybe it's a little bit of a different story. Especially if you lose to the Thunder, who would probably be a heavy favorite going in, at least right now, who knows that could change. But you know Giannis, and where's he going to go and what kind of changes you make? Remember, this is a team that let go of their coach after losing in the third round last year. So you wonder in that room if we don't make it, but here we. Who's here, who's gone, what kind of changes are going to be made again?
- [37:31]
Michael Kay
We've gotten to such a weird space, though, because now that they've done what they've done right, the possible outcomes change. So in the first round, we were discussing the honest possibilities and it was like, well, if they somehow lose this series, anything's on the table. Mike Brown could be out. Half the team could be out. Not only did not lose the series, they ended up dominating the second half of the series in historic fashion.
- [37:58]
Alan Hahn
Right.
- [37:58]
Michael Kay
So now we're on to series two. I would basically say at this point, in my opinion, short of them losing four straight to Philly by 20 points a night, the Mike Brown being out off the table, I would say it would require. That would mean collapsed on. If they lose a series at this point, Mike Brown's not leaving.
- [38:16]
Peter Rosenberg
I don't disagree with you, but you'd said something and maybe we can go back and get it. Go ahead. Something very similar about Thibodeau last year. I did. Where you're like, oh, they win this series. I did. He could buy a house in New York. He's not going anywhere. Yes, he ended up winning another round. They beat Boston and.
- [38:33]
Michael Kay
But this is, but this is your one. So I'm viewing it.
- [38:35]
Peter Rosenberg
No, I, I, I, But I got it wrong.
- [38:37]
Alan Hahn
It's different, but it's.
- [38:38]
Peter Rosenberg
It was just similar. That's why I brought.
- [38:40]
Michael Kay
No, no, you're. I agree with you, by the way. We might have literally been sitting at stout when I said, I mean, it's on the table.
- [38:45]
Peter Rosenberg
I agree with you wholeheartedly. But now, because it is just one
- [38:48]
Michael Kay
year, but what are the options?
- [38:49]
Peter Rosenberg
But again, Giannis, you know, that's been the conversation all year. If they come up short, are they going to go for Giannis? And you're not just getting Giannis. He's not a free agent. You're kind of blowing up your roster to get him. Well, here's the pretty significant pieces that we're rooting for tonight in the game will be playing him.
- [39:04]
Michael Kay
A and the interesting thing is, so they get. Let's assume for a second, and fans should not do this because we know how important every game is, let's assume they win this series against Philadelphia. Right. They get to Detroit and they lose to Detroit 4, 2. And it sort of looks like the regular season like Detroit really just looks like a better team than the two.
- [39:25]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
- [39:27]
Michael Kay
I don't know. Does that make me immediately regret the thing I just said? And it's like, well, you made it that far, but you weren't able to compete with Detroit in the final because, Alan, wouldn't that be enough to mean that as glorious as this run has been, including four blowouts in a row, historic things we've never seen from the Knicks in the playoffs. If you seem to completely outclassed by Detroit, don't you still have to go back to the drawing board and go, well, I guess this isn't enough. I know it's a hard conversation to
- [39:52]
Alan Hahn
have, but I hate to cop out, but I'm going to cop out and say, I got to see it.
- [39:56]
Michael Kay
I know.
- [39:57]
Alan Hahn
See what it looks like. Because I Right now, despite what we saw in the regular season, I got to keep going back to the fact that this isn't the same team.
- [40:07]
Michael Kay
I know. They don't look. They don't look different, the same at all.
- [40:09]
Don La Greca
I'm trying to explain it.
- [40:10]
Alan Hahn
I can't. And it's just I feel. Look, we all walk this line, you know, I'm sure Michael deals with this on a daily basis. Don, you as well. We walk this line of like, I have to give honest analysis. And there are times where my analysis is going to sound like homerism. Yeah. Because what I'm seeing, it's just like with New York, we tend to do this thing where we just have to always have to be tough and, you know, the easiest thing to do is be negative and critical because I'll sound smart enough if I'm right and if I'm wrong, well, everybody's happy anyway.
- [40:44]
Michael Kay
Right?
- [40:44]
Alan Hahn
But that's not really the case here. I'm telling you, whatever has happened since the end of last week of the regular season, and especially since game three of that Hawks series, I don't know what happened. But I do know that I've never seen an offense like that, wearing orange and blue, not like that and especially this group. I've never seen Brunson in a chance where it's always going to be clear out ISO end of the half. I'll get you a hero ball shot, gives up the ball and does a Steph Curry run around and the ball ends up back in his hands. I've never seen that. I have not seen anything like this. Which is why the Detroit thing doesn't seem like it's the same thing right as what we saw during the season.
- [41:28]
Michael Kay
So it doesn't make sense to go.
- [41:29]
Alan Hahn
Offense can't possibly get that bogged down. But because of the way it's run now versus the way it was being
- [41:35]
Peter Rosenberg
run during the overall point is those guys preparing for the game tonight can make this all moot. Go out there and just continue to play the way you've been playing. Don't play with your food. Don't let Philadelphia back in the series. And that will be the conversation for them and a conversation for us moving forward. Again, we're working on the phones. 1-800-919-377, Alanha on Twitter, I'll read on at Don Legreca at Peter Rosenberg. What is it?
- [41:59]
Michael Kay
It's Rosenberg Radio, but I don't even have my phone anymore, so don't waste your time.
- [42:02]
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, wow.
- [42:02]
Michael Kay
Small.
- [42:03]
Alan Hahn
You know, I'm almost.
- [42:04]
Michael Kay
I tell you what, I took Twitter
- [42:05]
Alan Hahn
off my phone when the playoffs are over. I might do that.
- [42:08]
Michael Kay
Yeah, I can't.
- [42:08]
Peter Rosenberg
I can't.
- [42:09]
Alan Hahn
I might do that.
- [42:09]
Michael Kay
And today Instagram just took 4000 followers from me for no reason. I'm out on all of it.
- [42:13]
Peter Rosenberg
Wow. Very interesting. Check this very interesting tweet from Ice Tea. I'll bring that up. Well, not only that. Speaking of beverages.
- [42:20]
Michael Kay
Speaking of beverages, I have to give Alan Han an update about what happened at lunch.
- [42:24]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, we've got to talk about that. We had a. We had a business lunch, Peter and I.
- [42:26]
Alan Hahn
And now I know what this is about. Really excited to hear.
- [42:30]
Peter Rosenberg
Anthony Pusick as well.
- [42:31]
Michael Kay
Part of a.
- [42:32]
Peter Rosenberg
It was like one of those business lunches they'd have back in Manhattan, 1967.
- [42:36]
Alan Hahn
So mad I missed this.
- [42:37]
Peter Rosenberg
Very interesting stuff.
- [42:38]
Michael Kay
Killing heaters.
- [42:39]
Peter Rosenberg
Monica McNut.
- [42:41]
Alan Hahn
I missed out on that too.
- [42:42]
Peter Rosenberg
At 4 o'. Clock. Bill Pedo at 4:30. Take you up until 6 o'.
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Alan Hahn
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And then it's Knicks basketball. Don Hana Rosenberg, live from Stout.
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Peter Rosenberg
467-369 I just was, you know, looking up the ice t tweet so I can read it. Yeah, I remember I got all excited that he follows me. I just noticed I wasn't following him.
- [45:11]
Michael Kay
What are you doing?
- [45:11]
Peter Rosenberg
That's kind of a money move. But now you hit the follow button. I did hit the follow now see,
- [45:16]
Alan Hahn
it was it now now, the next thing now comes into the conversation. So when are you going to call into this?
- [45:21]
Peter Rosenberg
Obviously, I see he's going through some stuff we've all gone through because one of his tweets yesterday. I'll never understand why people that hate my guts follow me. Great question, but the one that caught my eye was earlier last night when he tweeted, I've got a great idea. Let's rename this app to Hate.
- [45:38]
Michael Kay
Yeah.
- [45:39]
Peter Rosenberg
So I kind of thought about that when you were talking about not wrong, you know, not having it on your phone. So stupid. Like, who needs all of that hate?
- [45:44]
Michael Kay
But, well, it's. It's the worst one.
- [45:45]
Alan Hahn
Or just. It was just angry people.
- [45:47]
Michael Kay
Yeah. Because that's the thing. Instagram, there is at least, it has its problems, but Instagram, at least a lot of the posts on there, just like, happy stuff. Look at my dog. Look at this. Yeah, it's people showing off, and people use it in an unhealthy way, I think. But not everything is, like, negative. Like, so much of.
- [46:08]
Alan Hahn
It's usually more like entertainment, like something funny.
- [46:11]
Michael Kay
And your algorithm might be all entertainment. Like, my wife's algorithm is literally all ideas for baby stuff. All different things that actually impact her life positively.
- [46:19]
Alan Hahn
My algorithm tells on me all the time.
- [46:21]
Michael Kay
Well, it will. It will let you know.
- [46:24]
Peter Rosenberg
But Twitter is different.
- [46:24]
Michael Kay
No matter who. Who you are on Twitter, I think it's hard to live that way now.
- [46:27]
Alan Hahn
It forces you with things, right? Like, to me, it forces things on you that. Dude, I'm like, I don't even want this. Why are you sending this to me exactly?
- [46:35]
Michael Kay
There are literally people I do not want to see. And it just. It keeps showing you for you.
- [46:39]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
- [46:39]
Michael Kay
And showing me stuff I don't want. Now, what was for Don at lunch.
- [46:43]
Alan Hahn
Yeah, was what?
- [46:44]
Michael Kay
We had a nice early lunch.
- [46:46]
Alan Hahn
Huh.
- [46:46]
Michael Kay
Because Don came in early, didn't have any traffic.
- [46:48]
Alan Hahn
You guys were very early. I was quite tardy and I apologize.
- [46:51]
Michael Kay
Well, no, I didn't know I'd be this early, but it just worked out.
- [46:54]
Alan Hahn
You being early is the upset that.
- [46:56]
Michael Kay
That's. And I.
- [46:56]
Alan Hahn
That's the one.
- [46:57]
Peter Rosenberg
Nobody celebrate that.
- [46:58]
Michael Kay
Yeah, exactly.
- [46:58]
Alan Hahn
The celebration is.
- [47:00]
Michael Kay
So we went over to Bar Primi here, lovely Italian restaurant down the street, and we followed up on yesterday's conversation. And Donald Marco La Greca had his first ever margarita at lunch. Oh, breaking news here, folks. A margarita was had.
- [47:15]
Alan Hahn
Wow.
- [47:17]
Peter Rosenberg
Now, since this is a Your alley, what exactly did I drink?
- [47:21]
Michael Kay
We. I asked. I asked if they. Well, first of all, I'm always wary of margaritas at Italian restaurants. Because Italian, I think wine and sort
- [47:28]
Alan Hahn
of you think bottle of red, bottle of white.
- [47:30]
Michael Kay
Bottle of red, bottle of white, if you will. Or like I'll just do like a, you know, whiskey on the rocks, that kind of thing.
- [47:35]
Alan Hahn
Sure.
- [47:35]
Michael Kay
I said, but, but Bar Premia is a big bar like that. You could tell. I was like, it's a scene there.
- [47:39]
Alan Hahn
Yeah.
- [47:40]
Michael Kay
So I asked and they said, oh, it's our, it's our number one bartenders on. They can do everything you want.
- [47:44]
Alan Hahn
Nice.
- [47:45]
Michael Kay
I said, how about a little spicy marg with salt on, little salted rim. So that's what we did. A little spicy margarita. You like the spicy rim.
- [47:51]
Peter Rosenberg
And I wanted to go spicy. I like spicy.
- [47:53]
Michael Kay
I gave him the option because I'm a fan. And Don, what were your thoughts?
- [47:56]
Peter Rosenberg
I thought it was good. Now, it's not an old fashioned.
- [47:58]
Michael Kay
Okay.
- [47:59]
Peter Rosenberg
But I thought it was refreshing and it was interesting. I enjoyed it. I. I could have done without the salt because I tried it with the salt, he told me and I didn't feel it enhanced.
- [48:08]
Michael Kay
It was a bit much. I didn't actually drink the outside, only
- [48:10]
Peter Rosenberg
had it on the one side of the glass. I just drank it on the other side. But it was refreshing. If I had the choice, I would probably still go old fashioned over margarita. But do you see why I say no if it's offered now?
- [48:22]
Michael Kay
But do you see why if you were sitting outside down the shore, let's say on an August night, why that can kind of hit in a different way than a bourbon based drink?
- [48:30]
Alan Hahn
It's got the refreshing.
- [48:31]
Peter Rosenberg
Listen, it was a rainy day, but it's. It's afternoon. It's kind of light, although we ate pretty heavy, but it was, it was still light.
- [48:38]
Don La Greca
Fair.
- [48:38]
Michael Kay
We had a hell of it. You missed a hell of a.
- [48:39]
Alan Hahn
It really was great. I'm totally regretting it. And had a great lunch here at Stout, though.
- [48:44]
Peter Rosenberg
I did. Oh, they, they did you right here. Yes, but so old fashioned would probably be something I would have for dinner.
- [48:50]
Michael Kay
Yeah.
- [48:50]
Peter Rosenberg
But the margarita. So the next time that I'm out and it's offered, I'm not gonna. I'm ready.
- [48:57]
Michael Kay
See, so. And by the way, so when Don becomes a full on raging alcoholic, it'll be that he has a margarita for breakfast or old fashioned for dinner. Goes straight on the air.
- [49:06]
Peter Rosenberg
I try not to drink during the week.
- [49:08]
Michael Kay
Yeah, I understand.
- [49:09]
Peter Rosenberg
Offered. I don't exactly. I'm talking about.
- [49:11]
Michael Kay
I'm talking about future Don. This is, this is 70 year old Don.
- [49:13]
Peter Rosenberg
When it Gets away. At some point, it's going to get away.
- [49:15]
Alan Hahn
Old fashion is a Friday night. Margarita is a Sunday afternoon.
- [49:18]
Michael Kay
There you go.
- [49:19]
Peter Rosenberg
You know what I mean?
- [49:20]
Alan Hahn
That's a good week.
- [49:20]
Peter Rosenberg
The kids are married off and Nancy finally comes to her senses. Yeah, I'll probably start drinking heavily. And you're like, now I've got options.
- [49:27]
Alan Hahn
And Nancy's like, all right, I got everything I needed out of you.
- [49:29]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, exactly. You know, the kids are at Empty Nest.
- [49:32]
Michael Kay
Get the hell out and don't be watching Mama's Family. Three bourbons on a Wednesday.
- [49:37]
Peter Rosenberg
And I've always envisioned that day because the day will come and it'll be, you know, a TV working on top of a broken tv. And I've got a lawn chair instead of a couch, and there's empty containers of Chinese food all over the place. Now, I can add to that fantasy. Margarita. Margarita during the day and old fashioned at night. But unfortunately, where I will be financially.
- [49:59]
Michael Kay
Vape ape. Don't.
- [50:00]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. Yeah. That'd be my version of.
- [50:02]
Michael Kay
Oh, cigars are back, by the way. Oh, and the Doritos the size of his head.
- [50:05]
Alan Hahn
Are you kidding me? Absolutely.
- [50:07]
Peter Rosenberg
Remember the pillow bag? I would get bags of Doritos that were like a pillowcase.
- [50:13]
Michael Kay
This is why we need to get back on television. Because it's moments like this when yes would have pulled out the old footage of Don with that Doritos bag that was literally. It took up the entire screen.
- [50:24]
Peter Rosenberg
I've never seen a bag I love Jess. I'm hoping the next television outlet likes me because yes didn't have it.
- [50:30]
Michael Kay
No, they. They kept on file every way.
- [50:33]
Alan Hahn
We're gonna need to get all those. Transfer them over.
- [50:36]
Peter Rosenberg
One time I. Oh, my God, this is bad. I leaned back, I had an itch in my stomach, so my belly was exposed. That was the region.
- [50:44]
Alan Hahn
Forgot you were on television.
- [50:45]
Peter Rosenberg
It was all trying to make Michael look better.
- [50:47]
Michael Kay
No, what about the. What about when they got me. What about when they got me vaping in the vape ape?
- [50:50]
Peter Rosenberg
Oh, yeah, they.
- [50:51]
Michael Kay
So I'm in my bad space.
- [50:53]
Alan Hahn
Caught you doing the.
- [50:54]
Michael Kay
They caught me coming out of break and you see me looking up and catching it, like. And they showed it in slow motion
- [51:00]
Peter Rosenberg
replay and all in an effort to try to make Michael look better.
- [51:03]
Alan Hahn
You think that's all that was about? They never caught Michael in a moment.
- [51:07]
Peter Rosenberg
I don't think they disliked us. They just love the.
- [51:09]
Michael Kay
That's Michael sliding. I'll check to Anthony. Greek on the side.
- [51:12]
Alan Hahn
That's what that was.
- [51:13]
Peter Rosenberg
4 o' clock hour. Monica McNutt, Bill Pedo Don on a Rosenberg Live from Stout Getting you ready for Nick stuff. Sixers Game two of the Garden here on ESPN New York thanks for listening
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Don La Greca
to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
- [51:27]
Alan Hahn
I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good.
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Don La Greca
Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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