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This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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That sounds like heaven to me.
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Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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Don, I'll be licking the television screen. Licking it like it's ice cream.
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Han. Oh, the type of music I listen to would make you cry.
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And Rosenberg.
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I expect to be called ball coach. This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.
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This is Don, Han, and Rosenberg.
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The best threesome I've ever heard on.
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ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.
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Well, Dick, it's not a threesome today. It's a twosome. It is Peter Rosenberg and Alan Hahn, who's at msg. Don is taking a much deserved and needed trip back from the west coast, where the Devils struggled mightily. Well, can I say mightily? I'd say they struggled mightily on their west coast road.
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Was it mightily? Didn't they get two? Did they get two out of the four? It was Colorado. They lost.
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It was 2:3, wasn't it?
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They took. They played five games. Has he been long? He'd been gone that long.
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It feels like he's been gone forever. I don't even know who he is anymore.
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C
Right.
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Let me look this up. I thought it was.
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I don't know. It was not a good way to end it, though, I'll tell you that. Getting smoked down three nothing. They'll flush three one to the Ducks. It was a back to back. It's the last game of a trip. But still, we will get Donnie back tomorrow.
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They lost. They lost three.
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They lost three. Okay. So better at home.
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It was. It was. They lost. It was one and three. Avalanche, Sharks. They got the win at the Kings.
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Oh, I forgot about that.
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And then they lost at the Duck. So Donnie's on his way back right now. But we're here for you.
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We are.
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Oh, I've. I've never felt better about professional sports. I'm in a super. I'm into it. I love sports.
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Yeah, you've. You've completely let go, haven't you? I would probably put you like you and Blue Jays fans are probably right now in the same bucket of those who are wondering, why even bother rooting for sports? Because I can understand where you're. Where you are. As you know, I'm numb, so I feel nothing right now.
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You're just trying to imagine what it would be like.
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Yeah. And luckily, the jets didn't play this weekend, so I didn't have to even bother paying attention to any type of misery, which Is always a nice thing. And hey, the Knicks had an ugly road trip last week, but bounced back last night with a very impressive performance that has all the optimism ramped back up about them. And we're in a back to back tonight.
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B
So who they got tonight again?
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The Generals. The Washington.
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Oh, that is. Oh, yeah, by the way. So this is. You talk about a sight for sore eyes.
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Oh, like, nothing is more welcoming than when you finally kind of get off this schneid and you've gone through a little slump and you figure it out and. And you're in a back to back. So you're like, oh, crap. Like, you want to build momentum, but a back to back's tough. But then they come in, you're like, all right. Like a team that gives up 130 points a game. All right, we can play that. So, no, don't bat the bunny now. Like every.
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It's still no. You got to listen. They're an NBA team, but The Knicks are 12 and a half point favorites against the Whiz Kids tonight.
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Wow.
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Okay.
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It's a big. It's a mighty number.
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I will keep an eye on the mighty number. But what we saw last night. I'm sorry, not last night. Yesterday, Peter, at MetLife Stadium. It was a glorious, beautiful autumn afternoon on a Sunday. And I've said this about jets fans going to MetLife, and it has to be the same feeling. And I want to know how many Giants fans listening decided, I'm going to this game, attended the game. Now, I know it's not a lot of you because it sure sounded like there were a lot of 49er fans there. And I'm just curious, do you feel like sometimes you say to yourself, I went through all this. I invested all this time and effort to come here, and the building was taken over by the road team, the home team again, hot garbage, defensively bad. And you really. It's like a humiliation kind of moment. And by the way, don't look now. Groundhog Day. You're 2 and 7 again. You didn't even finish your Halloween candy and your season is already done.
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Yeah.
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C
This is maddening.
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This has become a familiar place for Giants fans. And it's a really interesting one, though, because I think there's a possibility that the Jackson Dart card may have been played too early by Brian Dable.
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C
Really?
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B
Yeah. By and by and by that, I mean. Yeah, because now, you know, we're settling into. You're used to having dart.
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Yeah.
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You're watching him, you know, be a rookie have some good moments. Have some not so good moments. He's lost weapons. They're. They're just losing. And the excitement will fade as the season goes on. And they probably. Oh, of course. It already has.
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I think the excitement has faded today in the kid.
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I don't mean that people. I don't mean the hope has faded. I don't mean that people don't believe in him. But I just mean like the level of buzz around it being something that people are psyched up about every week, I think will fade as this season goes on. I really do. I think it faded over the last couple of weeks just a bit. And that's not. Doesn't mean his future is any less bright. But I think it could hurt Brian Dable as the season goes on that by the time the year ends, you're now used to the fact that you have the kid playing and that's cool. But guess what?
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The.
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They looked like crap for the last 10 weeks. So I'm glad you found the quarterback. I guess you're developing him, but we're not winning. We're not looking particularly good. Whereas if he'd saved it, if he kept him in the.
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You don't do that as a coach, though, man. Like, the first two weeks, your offense looked like garbage. Your quarterback clearly didn't want to get hit, didn't want to be in any type of contact situation, hesitated to run. Like there was a lot going on with him. That just showed you, like the offense is a complete mess. So they. He. He had to make the change when decision for the team.
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If only they got hurt, veteran quarterback on their roster that they signed this offseason who they never let touch the field.
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They think he's. You could tell that they don't. They see him more as like another coach.
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That's a weird signing, that Allen.
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That's.
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Maybe that's professional malfeasance. Then none of these people should have their jobs.
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I don't think you're wrong. Why is he telling you nobody talks about it.
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Yeah, because, I mean, it's crazy to me that they couldn't have delayed the dart thing a little bit by going to Jameis Winston. The guy played in the NFL last year. He puts numbers on the board.
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I get it. I just. They don't see a purpose to play him. And once. Look, you can't bench dart, right? You're not going to do that. No.
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It's always too late.
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He's played well enough to a point where, like, Dable treats him not only as his own son. But now he's talking about him like, this is our franchise cornerstone. This is our leader. Like, the guy's. What is he, 23? Like, it's amazing how much Dable has elevated him and his importance, but he has to, because it's all he's got.
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It's smart business that's hitching yourself to the wagon and elevating the wagon.
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Oh, it's. He's hitched. He's hitched right to his.
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They may get hitched. But you see what I'm saying, though, that by doing it so early, as opposed to like, let's say they made it to week eight.
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Yeah.
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And then you started the excitement around Dart, I think it could have played out better. But you're right. Listen, if the decision is, hey, I just want to do what's right for this team and Russell Wilson gives us no chance to win. I got to care about all 53 guys. We got to bring someone else in. I maintain you had another quarterback you could have played. Apparently they don't think they did. Now we're here. I'm just saying, I think you'd be lying to yourself if you think the excitement around Dart is going to feel as palpable by the time we get to January as it did three weeks ago. And that's not good for Dable. That's just not good. That is going to lead to. Is Dable the guy talk.
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What's not good for him? Because I would think, as any owner would, when you look around that stadium and see what you saw yesterday, that's embarrassing. Not only are you, you know, you're getting the banners and all that other stuff, the planes flying again, but you're also getting the fact that your own fans aren't showing up anymore. That's where it starts to hit, man. Well, I know to me, that's where it hits. As an owner, I've covered some really bad teams in the years that I was a sportswriter. And I've been in the building, when I look around and I go, oh, my God, like this. This is now where you reach a point where a franchise says, we can't continue to function like this. Like, you can't. Like from a business standpoint, you just can't. It's. It's not possible. I mean, you're going to be in the red and you can't do that year after year. Do you know, it's amazing Since. Since the 2016 season when they were 11 and 5 and made the playoffs and Dable had this first year where they had the good season and then they got to the playoffs. Right. They won a playoff game. That's the only year since 2016 that the Giants haven't been either 2 and 7 or 3 and 7 to start the season. Can you. I can't even. We've talked so much about how pathetic the jets have been. The Giants are right there with them lockstep. They just want one more year that they weren't, they weren't God awful. Just one. But it's incredible if you think about it. 10 years of football and in eight of them you're either two and seven or three and seven to start the season. By week 10, you're done. As I said, you're not even done eating your Halloween candy and your season is over. That's to me a reality that I know John Mara is well aware of. And they've gone through how many coaches to try to fix the problem. It never gets fixed. But that, that's the business side of it is where all the decisions are made. And that's like, we can't talk football anymore about the Giants. There's nothing to talk about. The secondary is trash. They can't stop the run. Their DC is overwhelmed. So they made a change to Shane Bowen. It was not a. It was not the right move. He's overwhelmed. They don't know what to do. So there's that you have a lot of injuries on your offensive side. That's not helping your quarterback show out and give you a reason to say, you know, this offense looks right. We got to keep this together. So just all it is, is now setting up for another. Tear it up and try it over again.
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Do you see how you just made my point for me though? I know. Because if you say, if you're telling me there's no football to talk about anymore, right. That means there's not going to be a lot of football being talked about even with Jackson Dart. And that's bad news for Dable, man.
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It is.
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If there's nothing. If they don't have like, we'll pull the schedule up again. But if they don't have a couple of games over the course of the stretch where like the kid gets to dazzle and you can like really see and again, they may not have the weapons to even do that later.
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This was supposed to be one of them. The Niners came in banged up, they had Mac Jones as the starting quarterback. And look how they made Mac Jones look. I mean, think about it. Mac Jones like lit it up the running game. They couldn't stop the. I couldn't. That. That McCaffrey touchdown pissed me off more than anything. The little wheel route. Of all people to let get free on the outside. That's the one guy you're like, you know, if there's anybody, you got to make sure. Where is he? Any of the linebackers, Any of them. Okay. I don't care who you are. There's only one dude you need to be worried about that guy. And he ends up absolutely wide open for a simple little toss, and off he goes like, that's. That's the kind of stuff, to me that's really alarming. But here he. Like, I don't think it's even worth it right now to talk football. X's and O's and plays and all these things. The only one worth talking about is the kid is the quarterback, but he doesn't have weapons around him. And so we thought, like you just said, where are the wins? We thought the Niners could be one. You're at home, they're banged up, the backup quarterback's in there. And yet they put 34 on you. The Bears coming up now. They again yesterday. The Bears, we'll get it. Get to it in the binge. But the Bears looked like another team that defensively in the secondary, can't tackle. They were disaster down the stretch. They put. They had 41 on the board before two minutes were left in the game. And it's like they still needed 47.
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So. So there. So there's a spot. Washington is clearly a spot.
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I mean, the Packers. Look, you could also say that, like, what are the Packers. I know the packers have a decent. They had a bad loss yesterday.
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But they still didn't give up. But they still didn't give up points yesterday.
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No, no, no. Their defense is good. Yeah.
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So, like, that's not going to be a point.
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Detroit is not even going at Detroit. To me, if the spread of that game is 14 and a half, I still might take the. I still might take the Lions.
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Honestly. No, it's the Washington game. The Chicago game.
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Yeah, Washington maybe at Chicago, but again, they're coming off. That's a maybe at Patriots. Forget it.
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That's not a good day.
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Vikings, you know, your home at Raiders, maybe and in Dallas. You don't even know what that game's going to mean.
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No, but you could be able to move the ball at least. So there's. There's that part.
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So you could have.
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You could have three. You could have, like A, you know, three games here. But in those. My point is, in those games in which they're going to have an opportunity to do some things, he's got to do something for the sake of Dable Jackson. Dart is safe. For obviously, this kid, he shows the moxie week after week. Yesterday, he had some decisions. He knows when to put down the ball and go maybe a little too quick to it, but he doesn't have a ton of options. So what are you going to do?
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I felt like he was holding it a bit too much, like. Like, what happens now? This is the danger zone that I worry about with him.
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Yeah. Too much.
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Yeah. In this game. Because now you start putting the cape on. Because now, you know, like, there's no scatter boo. There's no neighbors, there's no one to throw to. My tight end is now letting me down. He had a bad drop, you know, Slayton had a bad drop. Like, I feel like he puts the cape on now trying to be a hero, because look at his eyes. He hates losing this kid. Like, he hates it. He hates the fact that the stadium was filled with Niners fans. His post game. That's why I get so impressed with him, because he's aware of everything and he wants to change and he wants to be the reason why there's change. But what you now have to do is protect him from him. Because he sits in the pocket now and he's trying to find somebody. He's, like, waiting for someone to get open. You could time him with a sundial. And yet he's got to know if it ain't there by the third beat, get rid of it or run. But don't sit there and start dancing around, because that's how he's going to get hurt. Yeah, and offensive linemen are going to start to get, you know, frustrated by it, too. Like, there's only so much they can do. You got to be really careful that he doesn't try to wait and wait and wait until someone gets open because he's so frustrated that he can't make a big play. He's just got to know. But a young player, it's rare that they'll have patience and the awareness to know it's not here, get rid of it, or just get out and run.
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Quarterbacks getting hurt, that's the thing. By the way. Let's hit that. I do want to speak about what happened last night. We get to that around 345, but I saw it with Start yesterday, too. He loves his contact man and at some point we're going to have a conversation about that, especially with how often he takes off.
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No, Peter, I could tell you they've talked to him already about this. They've already talked to him about it. And this is a guy who says, this is how I play. I did this in the sec. I know what I'm doing. This is my game. And they don't want it. They don't want to squelch it too much because you gotta, you know, you gotta let him be who he is.
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Right?
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This was Josh Allen early on with Buffalo. Anybody that watched Josh Allen early in his career knows this. Josh Allen used to try to hurdle people. He used to put his head down, shoulder forward. And he also heard about it, like, you got to stop. You got to stop trying to run people over. But Josh Allen's also 6, 5, 2, 40.
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Yeah.
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Jackson Dart is 6, 2. He's a little bit smaller and a little bit lighter. Like, I mean, he's got.
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He's got some meat on his bones, but he's not Josh Allen.
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C
No.
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C
Oh, yeah, it is.
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C
Wow.
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Listen, this, this kid, this is like Baby Yoda on Long island right now. It's a great story. That's how I know it's hockey. But this, and I wish Don was here. This was such a great story. Developed what he did yesterday, like it's for 18 years old, what he's doing on the ice right now. Story that needs to be told Unbelievable.
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18 years old. But so before we get to that, let's talk to the people. Let's go to Manny and Flushing. Who wants to talk Giants. Manny, what's up?
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What's up guys? How y' all doing?
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What's up man?
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Yeah, man. Listen, Alan, by the way great, great allies of the Knicks games today.
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Would you.
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And bring. And I love it when you brought up the. The. The. The freebo drink thing was so great. Also I want to ask you this before I get the Giant start. Is it really too. Do you think the Grizzlies should part ways with John Moran after what's going on this Friday where he got into the coach defended and the Giants. I mean the Giants, man. Listen, this debate. They'll miss the playoffs for the 12 time in the last 14 years.
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It's.
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It's so embarrassing. I mean as a Giant fan. Listen. I know what it's like to be a team has been who's who are this away and the fans continue to show up again. Listen, as a Nick fan who. Who dealt with the crap he had in the chief thousands and roll into Melo situation. It's embarrassing.
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Yeah, well, I do want to get by the way at some point Allan, I do want to get to the John Morant thing. Probably not till Ian because a lot of stuff but we got to hit it.
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We got to get to hoop. We do have to talk some basketball. We're well into the season now and we're starting to see some things. But that John Morant story. I have a take on it about what it could mean and if you're in New York, you want to pay attention.
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Let's go to Robbie in Massachusetts. Hey, Robbie.
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Hey guys, how are you? Thanks so much for taking my call. We really appreciate it. Look, you know I started as a giant fan. 1973 Going to the polls at Yankee Stadium. And I'll tell you honestly, I'm okay. I'm fed up. I live here in Massachusetts.
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I do a radio show up here.
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And I'm fed up. Guys, I've had it with Brian Dave off as his regime, okay? It's not all his fault because this is a product of bad drafting by Shane, okay? Why is DeAndre Deontay Banks still on this team? Could you please explain? That's another point I'd like to make. The other point is why can't this team get a kicker?
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Okay?
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D
You come up with a great play. Let's just take this out. If Brian Burns could be defensive player of the year right now. If Gable had a brain. But okay, I mean, after the Denver game, that is a fire offense. If Don was there, he'd be saying this the same thing. This is a fire offense. This goes back to 1978. The same damn thing is a miracle in the middle ends. Watching Herman Edwards running to the end zone. Okay, the opposite way. And all the Giant fans open their mouth like they were watching Springtime for Hitler. Okay, Peter, I mean, this is like the most embarrassing thing I've ever seen. You gave up 34 points and you made Mac Jones. And I love Alabama, don't get me wrong. But Mac Jones, all right, you made him look like Joe Montana. It was ridiculous. Can you guys explain to me how she Bones keeping his job? How does John Mayer put up with his BS every week? And by the way, you won't find a nicer person than John Mara and his father. They are the classiest people. I used to pass their house as a kid in Harrison growing up in Westchester. And they're the classiest family and they deserve better. Okay, Now I'm not. I am faulting John Mayer because if you hire bad people, they do bad things and they don't hire the right people. Guys, I gotta ask you, who is out there? I mean, there's a million names. Jon Gruden. There's other names. We talked about Lane, Tiffany. I think you guys mentioned about his former coach. I love this kid. I sent my girlfriend films, okay, Jackson Dart about two weeks before because I was scouting quarterbacks and I saw everything in this kid. This kid has great, amazing potential. He's got great leaderships. And the sad thing is the rest of the knuckleheads on this team, you hear the interviews yesterday, making excuses like almost they've given up already. It's not even about coaching sometimes it's about effort. Do you watch Banks? It's about effort. Sometimes guys too. These guys don't care. Who cares on this team? A 22 year old kid. Anyway, I'll get you one thing I want to say about Matthew Schaefer. I used to live in Erie, Pennsylvania and I used to go to Erie August games. I tell you, this kid is special. I wish he was on the Rangers, but he is special and that's a great story. I'm glad you have him on. Guys, thanks for the time.
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I really appreciate it.
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D
Continue success and good health. Thanks, Peter.
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Thanks.
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D
Thanks a lot, Al. And you did a great job.
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B
Appreciate you. I'm a little concerned about his relationship that he sends.
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C
Yeah.
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B
Videos of Jackson Dart.
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C
Nothing gets off Lots get off his chest.
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B
Nothing gets my girl in the mood like highlights of my favorite quarterback. Although I got guys, so I. So I. I'll tell you that. We'll get into, like, the details of stuff later. But I. I turned off the game last night, Alan. I made a decision. I texted the group. Right. Didn't I tell you guys?
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C
Yep.
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B
I said, this is rare, but I'm turning this off.
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C
Like, I saw you.
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B
I feel like it's the new me. I have a daughter now. I'm not gonna get into a horrible mood on a Sunday. They didn't show up to play. Cool. I'm going to bed. And I struggled to do it, but I did it. And then my phone starts, you know, buzzing. Fifteen minutes later, whatever it was, right? And then I say to Natalie, I go, oh, my God, Jaden's hurt. Like, hurt hurt. Like teams out on the field hurt. And she goes, did you see it? And I said, no, and please remind me next time anything happens. She's like, I start pulling up and she goes, let me see. She started crying and then she, like, couldn't even talk about it today. And, like, I was like, don't get me wrong, I'm upset too. But I'm also, like, I'm also like a bit of a nozzle because I'm a sports fan. So I'm like, well, babe, it's his offhand, he'll be okay next year. Like, it's terrible, but like, the season wasn't going anywhere. And his arms, he will. This will not hurt his long term career. It was just a gruesome moment.
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Yeah, he's walking.
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I see him, baby. He's okay. But like, but it was. But to Natalie, who's not a big sports fan, she just likes him.
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It was an alarming play, of course, but that's. Again, those are jarring things to see. And unfortunately, yesterday we saw two quarterbacks, two young, talented quarterbacks with some jarring injuries that do make you. There's only one way to react, and like I said, we'll get deeper into that, into the binge. But this is the life in the NFL though, you either have it like it. It really is something. We talk about how it being short season, it's 17 games, and for some teams like the jets and Giants, you barely into November and your season feels over yet there's still a lot of games left to play. And you know, like the phrase, like the battle of attrition, it sounds so cliche, but it really is true. The teams that. That's what makes like the chief so remarkable to be there year after year and avoiding any type of catastrophic injury that just cost you. You know, even the Patriots, they went through nine years of championships, but they also had a gap of years where they went to Super Bowls but didn't win them. And then there was one year they didn't have Tom Brady because he had hurt. Like, that's the kind of stuff that does happen in this sport. Which is why forget baseball being a crapshoot. Football feels like at times a crapshoot. Aaron Rodgers, four players into a season like being out and then the jets season, the rug comes out from under it. That's, it's, it's like to me, what makes football compelling but also what makes it probably one of the hardest sports to root for when you have your own team.
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It's awful.
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C
One thing can just derail the whole.
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B
Season unlike, unlike any other sport. And the level of misery is it's, it's a dumb. There are moments like this is dumb. This game is absolutely dumb. All right, we will talk to Matthew Schaefer, then get to more of your phone calls on all things football. 1-800-919-3776 in the 4 o' clock hour. I do want to come back to the World Series, Alan. We got it. It's one of the greatest games we've ever seen played and we got to talk about that. Plus, yeah, we'll get into the Daniels injury, the C.J. stroud, a crazy week of football. But next, Matthew Schaefer. It's Don Hana Rosenberg on ESPN. This is an ad by BetterHelp. Shorter days don't have to be so dismal. It's time to reach out and check in with those you care about and to remind ourselves that we're not alone. As seasons change and days grow darker sooner, it can be a tough time for many. This November, BetterHelp's encouraging everyone to reach out, check in on friends, reconnect with loved ones and remind the people in your life that you're there. BetterHelp does the initial matching work for you so you can focus on your therapy goals. Sure. Questionnaire helps you identify your needs and preferences and our 12 plus years of experience and industry leading match fulfillment rate means we typically get it right the first time. If you aren't happy with your match, switch to a different therapist anytime from our tailored recommendations this month. Don't wait to reach out. Whether you're checking in on a friend or reaching out to a therapist yourself, BetterHelp makes it easier to take that first step. Our listeners get 10% off their first month. Just call 250 and say the keyword timeout. That's keyword timeout. After calling pound250.
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A
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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B
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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A
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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B
This, the sound of this song is not the feeling I had yesterday evening at all.
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C
No, no, no, no movement.
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B
My 0 for 3 on picks the worst season I've ever had by far. Yeah, it's, it's, it's almost like the football God said, hey, wasn't last year awesome? You're never getting that again. Like, and I didn't even go all the way. I just got like, close to all the way. And they're like, that's as far as you go. And now you be miserable again. Meanwhile, the Chiefs and the Eagles and, you know, I guess you can't say the Bills because they've never won. So you got to sort of feel for them. But like, it's still pretty cool to be that good every year. And in the binge, we'll get into that game. Allen as well. But, like, remember I said on Friday, if you're a Bills fan, do you really want the win? Yeah, I really thought that watching it, I'm like, how good do you feel that you got this again? Doesn't it just guarantee you losing the playoffs again?
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C
No, because at some point you got to solve it.
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B
And so maybe you just don't you.
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C
Think at some point you have to solve it. At some point you got to get over like, oh, look, you want to win every game. It can't be. I don't want to win this one so I can win the one in the playoffs. If you don't win this one, who knows if you even get to that game in the playoffs. You got to get over that stuff.
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B
I know you got to get over.
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C
It, but, man, like, I'm looking forward to tonight because, you know, let's. What does Dallas have in store for us tonight?
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B
Of course you're in. It's your three point.
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C
Big three point night for me, I'm two and. Oh, baby. Yeah, I've already got three in the pocket.
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B
This is this. I mean, like, you're, you're, you win tonight. You're done with me completely. Like, you're off and gone. I can't even.
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C
I got you at an arm's length, Don.
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B
You know, it's a big win tonight for you against Don, too.
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C
Yes.
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B
Now I won't even turn the game on. I won't even exist to me. No, I'm watching Raw tonight.
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C
Wait a minute. All right. Do you at least have me and Mike Breen on the My. Yeah, I got the calls this week.
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B
Oh, wait, you're on the call this week.
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C
I'm on. I was on the call last night. I'm on the call tonight.
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B
Then. Then forget it. I'm locked in. Are you kidding me?
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C
At least. At least on a secondary like, I don't know. Yeah, because I know it's Nick's Wizards, and I don't expect you to be all locked in on that, even though you are a DMV guy. I can't imagine you're very much into wizard stuff these days.
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B
It's been a while.
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C
Celtics aren't giving you anything either.
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B
They give it more than the Wizards.
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C
Yeah.
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B
I mean, listen, the seltzers are 3 and 4. It's exactly where I thought they'd be fighting. You know, they're gonna. They're gonna give it a shot. They're. They're hovering in, what, like the 9 or 10? How about Austin Reeves? There's a lot of fun NBA stuff going on. And like I said, we will come around to that John Morant story, which I just find there is something up with John Moran. It is not what you want.
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C
There's a lot there. But I've been. I've been warning people about this for a while.
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B
All right, now, listen, Alan, you're a Long island man.
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C
Yes, sir.
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B
The New York Islanders have a very special young man, just 18 years old, who is making a lot of buzz throughout the NHL. And we're happy to have him on the show and get to know him a little bit. Matthew Schaefer joining Don Hahn and Rosenberg. Matthew, what's up, man? It's Peter Rosenberg and Alan Hahn. How are you?
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F
I'm doing good. How are you guys doing?
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C
Listen, you are Baby Yoda right now to. To Long Islanders. I, I honestly and I haven't seen this in a long time, Matthew. I, I covered the Islanders a long time ago when I don't know if you ever saw. Did you see the 30 for 30 on the Islanders from back in the day? Because that I was.
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F
And say I have.
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C
You got to see it. First of all, just so you know what happened before you and before UBS arena and before the current ownership and everything else, but I'm telling you, it. It's what you. What you are. What you just were born into is something special that. I don't know if you know about it just yet, but you're probably starting to feel it because what you're doing right now has so many. I mean, they're chanting your name in the arena. Let's just start.
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F
Yeah, it's crazy.
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C
Crazy.
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F
It's like.
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B
I don't know.
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F
It's like I'm 18 years old.
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C
It's.
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F
I mean, I. I think just especially for, you know, my dad and my brother. I mean, they come down, my dad comes down. You know, probably when we have a lot of home games, he'll come down for a week. But for him to leave and know that I'm in a good situation with, you know, the team, the organization, the fans, you know, the house I'm living in, I'm with the Martins. So, yeah, I think it just like, you know, from a dad's perspective. And for me, I mean, it's. Sometimes I don't shed a tear mid game, but I think, no, it's pretty cool. And, like, you know, and your name can. And, yeah, it's. It's a lot. They're awesome.
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C
I need to know if you can even explain what has allowed you to make the transition. That looks from. From my vantage point, as somebody that has followed hockey for most of my life, and, like, you have 10 points in your first 12 games. What you did yesterday was insane. Having two goals. You did something like you're in the. You're in a conversation with Bobby Orr. What has allowed you to make this transition from junior hockey right into the NHL and have this kind of impact?
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F
Yeah, I feel. I mean, I think it just starts with, you know, your teammates, the staff, coaches, management. I think that's a very big, big part. I mean, it's so smooth. Help me along the way, you know, learn from all the other guys on the team. It's very easy when you're playing with guys, a team, they're so highly skilled, their hockey sense is off the charts. So, I mean, just with your teammates, obviously, I mean, I wouldn't get any of the points if they weren't me. And making it super easy.
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C
So.
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F
You'Re going as a team, everyone's, you know, playing hard, working hard.
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B
They're.
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F
It just makes it fun to play with every one of them. And then, obviously, due to cancer a couple years ago, and just going through, you know, you know, tough obstacles along the way, I think that definitely helps you. And, you know, whether you make mistakes or, you know, you face A lot of challenges and obstacles. There's a lot worse things that can happen in life. And I think the biggest thing is, you know, obviously I have a soft spot for, you know, people that have cancer and people that battle stuff. And sometimes you just got to think to yourself, you know, there's a lot worse things to happen than, you know, making a mistake in a game and you're playing, you know, a sport you love. So, I mean, I think just from the start, too, you know, when I entry level contract with the Islanders, I. We got people, you know, I've lost loved one or, you know, sickness or cancer or go something tough in their life. So, I mean, because I'm more of a starlight, so, I mean, I can talk to them and, you know, try to just, you know, help them in any way. I mean, I love talking about, you know, what I had to go through and stuff to try to help kids and parents and families in any way possible. I mean, when you're a young kid, you like to keep it in and, you know, you don't really want to talk, but, you know, I encourage people to talk out. I mean, everyone breathes differently, but to help them in any way possible. I think. I think it goes a long way. And I mean, hockey is one thing, but being a good person is way more important.
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B
So, Matthew, since you brought that up, I wanted to bring it up with you. You lost your mom in February 21st, and it's. That's such an immense thing for people to deal with. Matthew, I'm talking about. I'm fortunate enough to have my parents, and I'm older, in my 40s. I know people in their 40s and 50s who, when they lost their mothers. It's a flooring situation. How did you manage to get through it? Did you lean on hockey? Take us through what your coping mechanism sort of was?
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F
Yeah, I think family's a big one. Your family always has you back. Your family, I mean, you're just with each other along the way through everything and all the ups and downs. My dad and brother, they've helped me so much along the way, and just friends and, you know, other family members have just. They really came in. And the hockey community is so special. You know, so many people reached out. I mean, Nick and Marcus Foligno, they both played in the NHL and they both lost their mom at a young age as well. So, you know, a lot of similarities there where they were reaching out and helping me.
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D
But I think at the end of.
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F
The day, hockey is a good thing. To really get your mind off it.
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E
I know my mom.
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F
My mom loved watching me and my brother play growing up, and my mom would always put the hockey equipment on in the driveway, and we'd shoot on her and net me and my brother. So, yeah, I mean, hockey was a big part of our family, but we were such a close family to begin with, so I knew me and my family were always right there by each other's side. But I think at the end of the day, me, my brother and dad are just super happy that my mom's not suffering anymore and not battling cancer, which is a really good, you know, scary thing to be dealing with. And, I mean, at the end of the day, she's always with us in spirit, and she is, you know, happy, healthy, and safe in heaven. So I think that makes us, you know, think about it a little bit.
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D
Of a different way.
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F
Obviously, we wish she could be here, and I love praying to her and talking to her, but I know she's not suffering anymore, which is a good thing. And, you know, just watching her go through what she had to go through, it was. It was super scary for me and my family. And, I mean, my mom would get so much energy from just all the chemo and everything, but she gained it all back trying to do everything for our family. So, yeah, I mean, like I said, I wish she could be here, but I'm happy she's not suffering.
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C
That's such a great perspective from you. But I do have to just take a moment to say that you need to talk to Matt Martin, who's, by the way, a class act, but the cell signal at his house is. We've got to upgrade. Like, we. We've got to get you. Can you get you a WI FI booster or something? Matthew, earlier in the conversation. But, man, earlier in the conversation, we lost you a little bit. And I'm thinking, Matt Martin, like. Like, you guys, he's got some. He's got some cash. Like, he can't. Like, can we get a signal? Can we put an antenna in the backyard? Does he ever.
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F
Does he ever.
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C
What is that like? What is that like? You are away from home. I guess you did bill it, though, right, in junior, so, you know, a little bit of that life. But what is it like? And what has. You know, Matt, his wife and I know they've shown video of you in the playroom with the daughter, which is. Which is very cute, but what is that like to live there with a guy who was an islander his whole majority of his career and Everybody on Long island recognizes him, and he's. He's done so much in the community. What a great example he's setting. But what's that like living there with them?
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F
Yeah, obviously, he's just a great guy to begin with, on and off the ice. I consider him, you know, a dad, in a way, a brother. I mean, we. We do a lot together, and we became super, super close just over, you know, from the start of, you know, development camp with the Islanders and throughout, we became super close. And his wife's awesome. I mean, they were one of the first ones to invite me over for dinner. And, you know, that. That whole day, I was playing with his two daughters, and I was, you know, playing with his two sons that are, you know, just only a couple months old. So, yeah, we became super close, and this is a perfect fit for me, and I. I'm so happy that, you know, they were able to take me in and offer their house to me. I mean, it's. It's super big when you have so many kids and, you know, you got a lot going on. And for them to offer, ask out for me in their home, it goes a long way.
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C
Well, you're a babysitter, though, too. Come on. I mean, it's 100%.
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F
Goes both ways. I'm paying, rented, babysitting, and. And then, I mean, I'm keeping them busy in a way, too, so I'm like their fifth. Fifth child. So, I mean, in a way, it's for them, but it's. It's good for me to keep busy, too.
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C
It works for both ways. Is there a teammate now that you've gotten to know everybody, Is there one guy where you're like, there's no way I would live with him. There's got to be one that you're like, no, I don't know.
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F
I mean, there's a lot of guys on the team. It's funny. I mean, we. We love chirping each other. We love messing with everyone. But no, like, I don't know. I think there's just, like, everyone on the team's a good guy, but, I mean, I don't know, like, everyone. You know, Trips Barzell. I mean, it's just funny because he loves to be out and about and just always do something so.
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C
Right.
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F
I can't say there's one guy. I went in love with those because all the guys on the team are good. But it's funny.
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B
The NHL is a bizarre sport to me, because even more than the other pro leagues, you guys are able to play. Oftentimes it's so young, like in this market. We had Jack Hughes in the league at 18 years old. Obviously you see it, you know, fairly regularly. And I just. At 18 years old, dude, I was so lost in my life. You don't get overwhelmed at all by any of these moments that you ever see. You know, you're only 10 games in, but have you gotten to see anyone that you're mind blown that you're playing against at 18 years old?
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F
Yeah, obviously, I think it's pretty cool. I mean, my first game playing against Sidney Cross being an ovechkin and then McDavid. So I think it's pretty cool to play against guys like that you've watched growing up and you know, seeing what they did in the league, it's pretty cool. And obviously Connor McDavid playing for the Erie Otters, you know, the junior team I played for as well, so I think it's pretty cool.
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D
But like, I like.
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F
I mean, everyone in the NHL is, you know, a great player and you always got to be on your toes no matter who what. So, you know, it's the best league in the world for a reason, and it's definitely the spot you want to be in, you want to, you know, keep working towards, but you know, there's always someone, you know, trying to fight for your spot. So, I mean, every day's a new day and you just got to go and go to work each and every day.
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C
Do you. Do you know, I brought up the history of the franchise and you know, again, I was around most of the time for the darker times, but it was obviously a glorious time with this franchise. And you're doing some things that are reminding people of one of the great defensemen in the history of the sport that played for that franchise. And Dennis Potvin and what he was able to do, he stepped right into the league almost like you like just immediate impact and you knew something special was going on there with him. How much connection are you starting to make when you look around? They have a lot of, they, they have a lot of things up and about to celebrate the history of the franchise. How much are you getting to know it?
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F
Yeah, honestly, I, I never watched a lot of sports growing up. I mean, since I was from outside of Toronto, my dad was a Toronto fan, so I watched a bit of Toronto games, but really not much. And then, you know, I get drafted of the Islanders and then everything is just like, wow. I love everything about, you know, Long Island. I love the fans and Everything, and then getting to know just a bit about the franchise and everything and obviously pop in what a great player. And, you know, you look up to those guys and, you know, you see what they did with the team and you want to, you know, keep that going, keep the legacy going. I mean, obviously, it's pretty cool. I mean, they won, you know, a lot of cups and done a lot of great things, so to look up like guys like those and, I mean, they're still around. I mean, a lot. You know, a lot of guys, you know, still come around, and we get to see them at camps and all that and just pick their brain about, you know, what their experience was with, you know, going super far in playoffs, you know, winning cups, doing a lot of things. So, yeah, I mean, it goes a long way for us, too. I mean, just to be able to pick their brain and, you know, see what they went through and, you know, the hard work and dedication they put in and time, you know, what they did for the organization. So it's definitely something that we want to keep going for sure and keep the legacy going on.
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C
You know, I want to have a conversation with your dad one of these days about the 2002 playoff series between the Island Leafs, but we'll do that another time. But if you're.
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F
Oh, yeah, if you get my dad on this, he won't stop calling. You guys would be here till tomorrow, so.
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C
That's all right.
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F
He loves to talk.
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C
We love content Blue Jays. How heartbreaking was that for you?
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F
Yeah, we. Me and Marty were watching it the other night, and, yeah, it was tough to watch, but it was. It was a great game, though. Like, just, you know, from the start to finish, it was a battle for sure, and I thought the Jays were going to get it, but. Yeah, but no, it was. It was a fun game to watch, though.
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D
I mean, there's a lot of.
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F
A lot of things happening. I. Whether the one game the ball went under the mat, they had to stop it and then, like, all these things, but it was. It was a fun series to watch.
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B
Matthew, thank you so much, man. This has been super cool. We'd love to have you on again, and I look forward to getting out to UBS and. And watching you play, man. This was very cool.
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E
100.
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F
Thank you guys so much. I appreciate it.
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B
Cheers, man.
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C
Baby Yoda.
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B
There he is. Young, young Matthew Schaefer. What a. What a guy, man. He's. He's been through an unbelievable experience.
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C
You know, his story. Yeah, Peter, he. And he was. What. What's amazing is at his age, he's so open to share it.
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B
I know.
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C
And you know, he's been asked about it since his draft night a million times. And yet he still speaks about it with the same, I don't want to say enthusiasm, but with the same energy as if he feels like other people have been through this and if it helps them to talk about it, I want to be there. Talk about like it really is something.
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B
No, you get the sense, you get the sense that it's what helps him is to talk about it. And it's pretty remarkable. Guys, the FanDuel sportsbook app is your home for all your favorite NFL bets from yards to touchdowns tool. When you know with FanDuel you can play anything on the game. It's all there for you. All right, tonight, FanDuel is giving all customers a 30% profit boost token. All right, you can get on the action with a 30% profit boost token this Monday night. So make FanDuel your go to app for every snap. Just visit FanDuel.com Peter to bet on the game. Play your game with FanDuel, an official sports betting partner of the NFL 21 and over fizzly present New York option required bonus issued as non withdrawable. Non withdrawable profit boost tokens. Restrictions apply including any token expiration and max wager amount. See terms@sportsbook.fandel.com for the gambling problem. Call 877-Open Wire Text Open Wyatt 467-369.
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A
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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B
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [44:34]
A
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
- [44:42]
B
Did you see the obligatory videos from the Halloween parade of people doing Thriller?
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C
Yeah, it's, it's unreal.
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B
Like it's unreal. First of all, I love seeing people do it. Well, like when you see a well organized Thriller dance, I pop for it every time, right? But I just, I, you know, I tweeted and I ended up getting reaction from it all weekend long. Even when I forgot that I sent it anymore and people kept talking about it was I reposted. I said whenever anyone loosely throws out so and so is like Michael Jackson. I just want to remind you that that video came out in 1983. That's 42 years ago. And across the country on Halloween, people line up to do the video. It's different. Like just, just know that that's like kids today, Alan. They'll be like oh so and so. So big day that's, that's got to be the biggest ever. And you're like, no, you don't get it. It gets bigger.
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C
It gets. Michael Jackson's Thriller dance is the original TikTok dance that went viral because people were doing that dance before there was social media. Like, that was just stuff you did. Like people would do that. So.
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B
Yeah, I've never been capable of doing any.
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C
Oh, God, hell no. My sister Debbie, though, who I lost in January, she still. She used to do it all the time.
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B
No way.
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C
Oh, yeah.
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B
All I can do is the worst parts of it.
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C
She watched. She would watch. She must have watched that video and several other of Michael. She loved Michael Jackson, but she, she would watch it so much. She knew all the moves. So anytime we had a family wedding and there's, there's Debbie and those who don't know she had down syndrome and she would go into the middle of the dance floor and if the DJ played Michael Jackson, she would just do. She would do his. The Billie Jean stuff, right? You know, when he walked and he would stop and do the leg kick and the hat tip and then Smooth Criminal and Thriller. All the dance moves, she would do them. It's hysterical.
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B
Wow.
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C
Yeah.
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B
What a. What a party trick. Not one I have in my arsenal. No, not at all. I mean, I tried to do the.
- [46:46]
C
Lean forward so many times, fell on.
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B
My face each time until I.
- [46:50]
C
Until I realized what the real trick was.
- [46:52]
B
Man, he got me this whole time.
- [46:54]
C
Shoes nailed to the floor. That's right. Oh, actually, no, it was like a hook, right? There was like a hook in the floor.
- [46:59]
B
Yeah, like a hook in the bottom of his shoe that he just hooked on the nail. Yeah. 1-800-919-3776. All the Giants on the table as of course, no jets this week. And we're going to get to some World series in the 4:00 clock hour. Now, Alan, I got to tell you, you know, like I said, I said earlier, I turned the game off last night. Apparently Dan Quinn has taken full responsibility for the Jaden Daniels injury.
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C
I mean, I just don't.
- [47:29]
B
I cannot understand. I get. If you, you know, you bring them out into the third quarter, you get it. They get a stop early in the third, but then they move down and they punt. They end up getting nothing in the third. And then all that happens in the third quarter is another touchdown for Seattle. So at that point, Alan, it's 38. 7.
- [47:49]
C
You. You really are having a hard time waiting for the bench.
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B
I'm not waiting for The.
- [47:54]
C
You are having such a hard time.
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B
No, no, I'm.
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C
No, no, I'm.
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B
No, I'm telling you, Alan. No, no, I'm not waiting for the. I'm doing it right now.
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C
Like, you can't. You re. Like, you need to talk about it. You need to get it out.
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B
Well, I mean, it's unreal.
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C
Like, I get it. Trust me, I get it.
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B
I mean, listen, I do a sports talk radio show and my number one athlete on planet Earth crumpled in front of my eyes yesterday in gruesome fashion. You're goddamn right I'm going to talk about it. I don't care if it's Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. We're going to get it in here at some point.
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C
Today you're getting it in.
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B
But like I just. How do you. How to head coaches out? I know we don't do it. It's hard for us to. I can't imagine what it's like. But everyone watching across the league now, you. I'm sure you saw. Everyone was tweeting. Every athlete was. Every NFL reporter, every pundit. Why is someone in the game at that point?
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C
Yes. Yeah. And it always seems to be the moment that someone gets hurt. It's always that. What you don't think about it. But I'm telling you, man, if you know your guy, there's not a single person that has that. His ability and his leadership qualities that is going to ever surrender a game where if the coach says, listen, this is not winnable, we're taking you out. The hell you taking me out? Because it looks like I'm quitting. No, I'm not coming out. But now when you.
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B
But isn't that what great coaches do is they know how to do it.
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C
When he got injured, what was it? How much time was left?
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B
Eight, seven and a half minutes. You're down 31 with seven and a half minutes.
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C
I know, but that might have been the last series. But like five minutes to go. He shouldn't be out there. Seven. You know, but said down 31. But remember, I know down 31 in the fourth quarter should mean pull the plug live to fight another.
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B
But Allen, this isn't. These things don't happen in a vacuum. If you've been watching the game all day, you know he's been running for his life the entire game.
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C
No. So wasn't good.
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B
It's whether it's Jackson dart. Anyway, I don't care what the size of the quarterback is in an unwinnable game where they're on the run late I just. These guys are so valuable. It's just terrifying.
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A
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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B
I don't want to know how the.
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C
Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.
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A
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