Hour 1: Mets Trades & Glenn's Vision

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 1: Mets Trades & Glenn's Vision

Episode Date: December 23, 2025
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A passionate, wide-ranging hour contextualizing the Mets’ organizational shakeup, MLB’s slow free agency, New York Yankees’ strategy, and the grim realities of the Jets’ ongoing rebuild. Ty D. Butler helms a lively, unfiltered discussion—peppered with insider banter—on New York sports’ messiest teams and the cultural flashpoints around them.

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1. Mets Shakeup: Clubhouse Culture and Organizational Reset

Key Segment: 02:33–09:15

• Mets trade Jeff McNeil to the Sacramento A’s, signaling a clear effort to overhaul a toxic clubhouse.
  • Ty D. Butler questions the significance: “Think about how badly a team wants to get rid of you when they’re willing to pay a third of your salary for you to just go away… This is a strong message from David Stearns and that Mets organization that ultimately confirms all the reporting we've been hearing—that that clubhouse was in shambles.” (03:11)
• The departure of four long-tenured Mets (Nimmo, McNeil, Diaz, Alonso) is seen as an overdue cleansing.
• Ty points out that unlike the storied Yankees of the ‘90s, the Mets lack a strong, winning culture—making chemistry (or lack thereof) a real problem:
  • “Friction can derail what they're trying to build, especially when it involves, according to the reports, your star player in Francisco Lindor.” (04:46)
  • Recalls Starling Marte’s surprise captaincy comment as a possible shot at Lindor.
• Stearns’ job is at risk:
  • “If the Mets miss the playoffs again, he's gone. You can't be a bad team and also have a toxic clubhouse.” (07:14)
• Steve Cohen’s shift in public rhetoric—from “Dodgers of the East" to just hoping for a playoff spot—signals lowered expectations:
  • Ty: “When you first got here, you were supposed to be the Dodgers of the East… Not a Mets fan on the planet wants to hear you talk about, you know, just making the playoffs.” (08:40)

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2. MLB’s Free Agency Problem: Why Fan Engagement is Lagging

Key Segment: 09:38–15:13

• Ty rants about the glacial MLB offseason, especially compared to NBA and NFL:
  • “Baseball's got to figure out this free agency thing. It's a snooze fest. If you institute a salary cap, maybe it fixes it... Player movement is exciting and it's just a snooze fest. So something's got to give.” (10:17-11:30)
• Reminisces on NBA’s high-stakes, memorable signings (e.g., Kevin Durant to Warriors):
  • “You’ll never forget that moment… Baseball would love to have that, where a star player makes a decision about their next team and you remember everything about it. You lose a lot of that luster when it’s just prolonged.” (13:01)
• Pat O’Keefe suggests adopting designated negotiation windows, streamlining player signings for drama.
• Ty laments a weak free-agent class and the Yankees potentially overcommitting to an underwhelming outfield:
  • “I have a fear that they run out this Dominguez, Grisham, Judge outfield, and that's just not good enough. That's an unserious baseball team…not your outfield.” (15:35)
• On the Yankees’ struggles:
  • “At some point, if you are in a spot where you cannot compete with the Dodgers financially, your best asset…has to become the guys you employ at the two most important positions—the general manager and the manager.” (16:17)

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3. Listener Calls: Mets Vision and Yankees’ Bellinger Conundrum

Key Segment: 18:33–21:00

• Moose from Jamaica calls in, echoing that the McNeil trade is a “purging of the old guard” (18:41).
• Predicts Mets will rely on a collection of 2's and 3's in the rotation (Peterson, Manaea, Holmes, Senga) rather than signing a true ace.
• On Cody Bellinger, Moose theorizes the Yankees might wait for a discounted, shorter deal if the market collapses, but Ty doubts Bellinger will pass on a big contract at age 30.
• Ty expresses frustration with a “run it back, maybe it’ll work this time” stance regarding the Mets’ pitching:
  • “I’m just not a big fan of the run it back, maybe it'll work this time plot… that cannot be the plan.” (21:01)

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4. MLB Free Agency’s Stalemate: Yankees Next Steps

Key Segment: 21:00–27:00

• Ty details Cody Bellinger’s asking price (six years, $180m, $30m AAV) and Boris’ hardline tactics.
• Fears Yankees’ potential lack of flexibility if they don’t land Bellinger, stressing “as devastating as it was to lose Soto, there was a plan in place. Maybe that exists now, but I just don’t see it.” (15:07–17:08)
• Draws parallels between Yankees fans’ frustrations and Steelers fans: stuck in upper-mid mediocrity, unable to break through in playoffs.

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5. Offbeat Banter: Haircuts, Weddings, and the Price of DJs

Key Segment: 21:59–37:32

• Comic digression over YouTube chat trolling ("is Ty balding?") and discussion of barber schedules—a moment of authentic workplace camaraderie.
• Extended riff on the etiquette of open bars at weddings:
  • Ty: “You gotta go open bar for a wedding. You can't have people pulling up and having to spend money.” (29:03)
  • Pat: “If it’s a paid bar, what’s the point of me showing up?” (29:11)
• Ty’s story of attending a “dry wedding” is a highlight:
  • “No alcohol at the wedding. None. Zero. Straight seltzer and cranberry juice, ginger ale. None. And this is not because I’m some big drinker… but it’s a party, bro. We out of state… We trying to get right. No alcohol? You cannot do that.” (29:29-30:07)
• Teasing about hair transformations, job interviews, and the blurred line between on-air personas and real life.

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6. New York Jets: Glenn’s “Vision” and Fan Despair

Key Segment: 38:56–47:22

• Ty pivots to cover the hapless New York Jets, dissecting coach Aaron Glenn’s plea for patience and faith in a grand “vision”:
  • Glenn: “Just don’t let go of the rope… There is a vision. From day one, we’ve been trying to set the foundation… listen, it’s gonna be a tough road and we knew that, but—man—the thing is, we know exactly what we’re doing and we do have a plan.” (41:21–42:09)
• Ty rejects the idea that the current mess was ever “the plan,” listing humiliating benchmarks:
  • “That vision could not have possibly included in year one firing your defensive coordinator before the season ended… benching your QB 9 games in… owner telling reporters he stunk… getting waxed by 75 points over three games...”
• Blunt summary of the Jets malaise:
  • “Nothing we’ve seen from this head coach, nothing he’s put on tape that is inspiring or leads us to have any hope—nothing whatsoever.” (43:23)
• Laments the looming prospect of another lost season and the bleak options facing the franchise at quarterback—“miss me with that.”

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7. Notable Quotes

• Ty D. Butler on Mets clubhouse:

  “You can't be a bad team and also have a toxic clubhouse.” (07:14)

• Ty D. Butler, on baseball’s slow offseason:

  “Baseball’s got to figure out this free agency thing. It’s a snooze fest.” (10:17)

• Moose (caller), on Mets overhaul:

  “Seems like the Jeff McNeil DRE trade is a purging of the old guard with a bringing in of Stern's idea of what a baseball team should look like.” (18:41)

• Ty on wedding etiquette:

  “You gotta go open bar for a wedding. You can’t have people pulling up and having to spend money.” (29:03)

• Ty’s despair with Jets’ “plan”:

  “Nothing we’ve seen from this head coach, nothing he’s put on tape that is inspiring or leads us to have any hope — nothing whatsoever.” (43:23)

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8. Episode Highlights & Tone

• The episode mixes authentic, often hilarious banter and real sports talk, especially in Ty’s energetic delivery—blunt, candid, often self-deprecating.
• The “insider” tone: jokes about station life, on-air mishaps, friendly roasts, and candid musings on life in New York sports media.
• The hosts engage with their YouTube audience, making the show interactive and dynamic.

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9. Key Timestamps

• Mets shakeup analysis & Stearns’ job: 02:33–09:15
• Steve Cohen’s expectations; MLB free agency lag: 09:38–15:13
• Yankees’ future, Bellinger dilemma: 15:07–17:08, 20:36–21:00
• Wedding/barber banter: 21:59–37:32
• Jets rebuild & Glenn’s vision: 38:56–47:22

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For fans and skeptics alike: This episode delivers genuine takes on New York’s most turbulent franchises, plus the hilarious realities of life as a sports radio personality in a city that never stops talking.

Transcript

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[Ty D. Butler]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Ty D. Butler]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Moose]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Ty D. Butler]

This isn't North Dakota. This is New York. This is also weird how I was just hosting the Michael K show, didn't move at all and now I'm hosting Don Hahn and Rosenberg. But let's get it popping, man. We're here till 5 o'. Clock. 800-919-3776. Ty Butler with you for the next two hours. We then pass the baton over to my man Pat o', Keefe, who will be on the call for tonight's game or doing pregame show for tonight's Knicks Timberwolves game live from the Garden. So let's have some fun. We are in the YouTube comments, so hit us up once again on social media at Ty D. Butler. Talk about it. Tuesday, 4:30. Do I dare ask Jacob and Pusick for contributions like is this a full three person experience or am I left on an island? Is that what's good? Is that what's going to be happen? Do you guys have some material you want to get off your chest or is this just all me? All gas, no brakes. How we treating this at 4:30?

[Jacob Perry]

We're here for you. We could, we could think through some stuff.

[Pat O'Keefe]

We could chip in, you know, man.

[Ty D. Butler]

That is. That didn't sound like that. Didn't have the conviction I wanted. Because for people who can't see what just happened. I asked a question. You look inside the control room, they're just looking at each other. No one wanted to answer. It's just like, you want to go, you want me to go? Then Puzyk's like, all right, we can make something happen. I mean, he wasn't exactly planning.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I mean, listen, let's give him the full tie experience. That's what I was thinking. But you know, I'll chip in if you need me to. I'll probably throw something in, man.

[Ty D. Butler]

I leave me out here.

[Jacob Perry]

Just we Got you. Don't worry.

[Ty D. Butler]

Leaving me out here. Leaving me out here. Ty Butler, we're going to five o'. Clock. Let's get into. How about we touch on some baseball before we get back to the football? We did have some news yesterday about the Mets. Jeff McNeil, he goes from New York to the Sacramento A's. Dream come true. So the Mets are going to get Jordan Rodriguez. He's a rookie ball arm in this deal that sends McNeil to the A's. They'll also be sending, and this is, this is alarming to me, they're sending cash to help cover McNeil's salary. Think about how badly a team wants to get rid of you when they're willing to pay a third of your salary for you to just go away. This is a strong message from David Stearns and that mad organization that ultimately confirms all the reporting we've been hearing that that clubhouse was in shambles. It was an absolute mess. There was a lot of toxicity. The four longest tenured METs in Nimmo, McNeil, Edwin Diaz and Alonzo are all gone. They had some cleaning up to do and they are doing it. And this isn't to say that the reason why they were in such disarray was because of, you know, Pete Alonso and Edwin Diaz, but it certainly adds some confirmation to, yeah, there was some stuff going on with Nimmo, McNeil and Lindor, who supposedly has squashed their beef. Maybe that ratcheted up a few notches. And look, I understand that in baseball you don't necessarily need chemistry to win. Guys don't have to like each other. Like that could destroy a football locker room and an NBA locker room. And we've seen it happen. The 04 Lakers lost that series in the finals to the Pistons because everyone hated each other, including the coach. And Phil Jackson wrote a book about it. So that tends to derail teams and other sports. Whereas in baseball, not necessarily the case. But the Mets are in a bit of a unique spot because they're trying to build something from the ground up and they're doing it devoid of this, like, culture of winning. So the Yankees in the 90s can get away with it because they had legitimate stars and they were leaders and there was a culture of winning. They were the New York Yankees. And this isn't to take a shot at the Mets, but they don't have that. That did not exist in their clubhouse. So friction can derail what they're trying to build, especially when it involves, according to the reports, your star player in Francisco Lindor. I also thought, and maybe we didn't pay enough attention to this when, when, when Juan Soto last year said what I thought was just odd, he said something I thought was odd, where he's like, actually, Starling Marte is our captain because all the qualities and you look at that and you say, is that a shot at Lindor or is this like the New York media just trying to conjure up a story? Now, with all that we've been presented with, it feels like maybe there were some deeper rooted issues that we just didn't pay attention to too much. But David Stearns, he's cleaning up what he felt like was a mess in that clubhouse. And I don't think it's hyperbolic to say his job is on the line. If the Mets miss the playoffs again, he's got to go. He has to go with the amount of money Steve Cohen is spending on that roster, with the expectations that are exorbitant. If the Mets go back to back years post NLCS appearance where you thought you were building something and you were headed on an upward trajectory, if they go back to back years postseason dnp, that general manager cannot remain employed. Especially when in the first of those two years where you missed the playoffs, all it required your team to do to get in was win 84 games and you lost. You lost out to a Cincinnati Reds team that I'm still not sure was actually trying. So, I mean, this goes without saying, critical year for the Mets, which starts with this offseason. And I know fans rightfully are down on Stearns because there doesn't appear to be a vision or a plan. He clearly has one. We just haven't seen it materialize and we're still waiting for the pieces to be put in place. But I mean, no one's going to get excited about Jorge Polanco. Like, this team desperately needs some firepower, especially for an offense that at large portions of the season last year had some inconsistencies. You now removed your best home run hitter. You've got to replace that. So at this point, David Stearns has not earned the benefit of the doubt. And we'll see what he's got cooking up here. But if the Mets missed the playoffs again, he's gone. You can't be a bad team and also have a toxic clubhouse. And the last part, the latter, toxicity in the clubhouse, he's trying to clean up. But the, the goal here is to again, like, this team wasn't one with expectations of just making the playoffs. It was about winning A championship, which is, you know, Steve Cohen had a tweet a couple weeks ago that I was like, wow, how, how the mighty have fallen. And again, a lot of people will take this as you're a Yankee fan on your high H. Yeah, Yankee propaganda, anti Mets. And I promise you I'm not doing this because actually, if I'm being honest between here and being on TV at sny, it would make the jobs easier and much more entertaining if the Mets were good. But Steve Cohen, and I'm trying to find the tweet where he alludes to, you know, trying to get this team to the playoffs. And I'm like, hold up, brother. When you first got here, you were supposed to be the Dodgers of the East. You were talking about how in the first five years you were going to win a championship. Not, not a Met fan on the planet wants to hear you talk about, you know, just making the playoffs. What's the tweet? Because I can't find it.

[Pat O'Keefe]

It's from December 19th. As typical, the usual idiots misinterpret in a Post article on the Mets payroll for 2026. I can't imagine our payroll to be lower than last year. Or is this. It's always hard to predict, but that would be my best guess. Payroll watchers always forget the budget for waiver, for waiver claims, player movements from minus the majors and trade deadline moves. That's how it typically works.

[Ty D. Butler]

So he's just going at people. Look, man, payroll watchers always forget. Here's the deal, Steve Cohen. If your team's winning, then people will applaud you for it because the best asset this organization has is your wallet. If they're winning, you'll get applauded for it. You can't come across as feisty and snarky on social media when you're coming off of an 83 win season with that payroll. And that's just the reality. You could say it's fair. You could say it's unfair. That's just what the reality is for the New York Mets on the Yankees. Talking about this with my fellow Yankee fan who is a part of this show today. So what exactly is the plan if they miss out on Cody Bellinger baseball? And I've done this before, so for the people who have heard this, I apologize, but there is a new audience. Baseball's got to figure out this free agency thing. It's a snooze fest. And I think that if you institute a salary cap, maybe it fixes it. Because all of these negotiations Happen under the guise of. There's a max salary for a player. So free agency is a frenzy, like. Like the NBA, like the NFL, like the NHL does, where it happens quick, fast, and in a hurry, and you keep people engaged. The fact that we go from the thrill of what was one of the best World Series we've had in quite some time with the. With the Dodgers and the Blue Jays going to extra innings of a Game seven to just nothing happening. You had a chance to take advantage of people, captivated people's attention, keep them present, and now we're bored because nothing's happening in free agency. That the two biggest names in Kyle Tucker and Cody Bellinger, like, there's no news on what the market is or any movement. This happened last year with Juan Soto. Juan Soto became a free agent three days after the World Series. He signed in December during Sunday Night Football. That can't happen. He just got buried in an NFL game. So baseball's got to figure this out. Fans get excited about player movement in every sport in free agency, whether it's the trade deadline or, like I said, free agency. Player movement is exciting, and it's just a snooze fest. So something's got to give. Also.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I hate to break it to you, Ty. You might have stumbled into your. Let's talk about it.

[Ty D. Butler]

Let's talk about baseball, free agency.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Baseball, free agency.

[Ty D. Butler]

I've been ranting about this for years. I love the sport so much. But to see them continue to fall behind, it bleeds into spring training. Like, how is that fun? Could you imagine the year that Durant was a free agent? We get to September, and he's unsigned. Like, that would never happen in the NBA. It would. It would never happen.

[Pat O'Keefe]

And I can still remember to this day where I was at and what I was doing when Durant signed with the Warriors.

[Ty D. Butler]

I was actually on a flight to Turks and Caicos while it was happening. So I landed in Turks and Caicos to all this new. I was like. And you know how I feel about kd. I'm like, there's no way. I drive a Don Stratus. This dude went to Golden State. And I'm like, ah, man. Like, the type of. The type of vitriol for that team that. That he is gonna face because he made that decision.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Listen, I was. I think I was in Dr. January 3rd, 4th when it happened.

[Ty D. Butler]

July.

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[Pat O'Keefe]

Oh, July. Yes. Yes. I was arguing my cousins down because he was like, this is what Stephen A. Was saying. This is the weakest move, which, I mean, I, I can't argue with that and with the team's other options he had.

[Ty D. Butler]

But it was Miami.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I mean, New York, even though New York wasn't a real deal.

[Ty D. Butler]

New York wasn't, but it was Miami and Boston.

[Pat O'Keefe]

But to be honest with you, it was just the fact that kd, at the height of his powers, moved to the warriors, which was coming off of 73 and 9 and lost in the finals.

[Ty D. Butler]

Katie, two years removed from winning an MVP. Listen, on top of obviously losing to them in the playoffs, like it was wild. But. And you remember that, you'll never forget that moment, like baseball would love to have that, where here's a star player makes a decision about what his next team destination is and you just remember everything about it. You lose some of that, a lot of that luster when it's just prolonged.

[Pat O'Keefe]

They can, they can even adopt like some of the, like. All right, you can start, start talking about deals at this point. And then deals don't become official. They could do something like that where. All right, we got a paper. We got a weekend where deals are not official. But you could begin talking to certain teams about it, then move on to that. The fact that it drags out to like from now to February, I'm just, I lose interest fast.

[Ty D. Butler]

But because it's an open free market and there's no cap on the amount of money you can pay to a player, this thing can drag on for. That's why I argued you institute a salary cap. So we already know what the most like couple of years ago what Aaron Judge can get from a team the Yankees can offer him the most. So. So we're locked into that number, whereas Boris is just gonna keep negotiating.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I think too. Also the problem with this year might be, is, I mean, it's not. There are great free agents out there.

[Ty D. Butler]

But it's not a second name.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yeah, it's not like Barry Judge.

[Ty D. Butler]

Yeah, it's not. It's not at all. So I agree with that point. I just would love to see us get to a place where this becomes exciting. And we thought we were gonna get that like during the pandemic. Remember when there was the lockout and then they agreed, oh, we were gonna have a flood of free agency that just never happened. Cody Bellinger is reportedly seeking something in the neighborhood of a six year deal worth $180 million AAV of 30 million. Jack Curry said on the YES network, I believe it was this past weekend, that no one has come close to what Boris wants for his client. This almost Feels like a gotta have it free agent for the Yankees. Doesn't sound like they'd be in on Kyle Tucker, but if you lose Cody Bellinger, what's the pivot? They had a pivot last year to lose in Soto, with Freed and with Bellinger. So. So as devastating as it was to lose Soto, there was a plan in place and they pivoted quickly. And maybe that exists to a certain extent with names that we're not yet aware of. Maybe on the trade market. I just don't. I. I have a fear that they run out this Dominguez, Grisham Judge outfield, and that's just not good enough. That's an unserious baseball team. To me, if you are trying to win a championship, that's not your outfield. But again, this goes back to the frustrations we've had. And we're like in the same boat as Steelers fans complaining about we go 10, 7, 11, and 6 every year and can't have success in the playoffs. To which I understand Steelers fans. The Yankees have this plan of eventually it'll work out, and it hasn't worked out in 16 years. So at some point, if you are in a spot where you cannot compete with the Dodgers financially, your best asset, which used to be your money, has to become the guys you employ at the two most important positions in the organization. And that's your general manager, and that's your manager. And if you cannot argue to me that they have that, the best duo in baseball with Cashman and Boone, then. Then you're losing this race. As frustrating as it can be that you're no longer the New York Yankees of the 90s. I understand it. It's. It's kind of insane to. To live in a world where House Steinbrenner wants a salary cap, but I get it. I can stomach that. Because, like, there's logic to it. Your best asset then has to become the guys making the decisions. And if you're not doing that, then it tells me you're unserious about winning a championship. And I don't care that they went to the World Series a couple years ago. You got embarrassed by the Dodgers. I don't care how close the Series was and runs scored, and you lost 4 to 1 in the world Series. You got embarrassed. You got bludgeoned by the best team in baseball. At some point. Changes have to be made at some point, and hopefully those changes get made rather quickly. Moose is in Jamaica. What's up, Moose?

[Moose]

What's going on, Ty? How are you Good afternoon.

[Ty D. Butler]

Good afternoon Moose. Happy holidays to you and your family. What's going on bro?

[Moose]

Yeah, so I'd like to talk about the Jeff McNeil trade and if I can I'd like to get into the Cody Belligerent of it all. Seems like the Jeff McNeil DRE trade is a purging of the old guard with a bringing in of Stern's idea of what a baseball team should look like. Whether that be schematically or with the analytics. Now what he will do with the rest of the off season remains to be seen. But one thing I can definitely see is maybe them counting on Peterson, Mania, Holmes and Sanga who at least occupies some sort of like top half of a rotation. If they don't bring in a school or any of the Femur Valdez's or things like that to be a number one certified ace, maybe they'll have a collection of twos and threes that get the job done for them to win 80 to 90 games with the offense picking up the slap if the pitching suffers a little bit from time to time. Now as for Cody Bellinger, what the Yankees might be banking on, why they haven't made a significant move might have been the fact that they might be waiting on what happened to Bellinger the last time he was a free agent after a decent season with Chicago I believe when he signed a flyer with them in 20, 22 or 3 and he had that comeback year that got him the 3 year deal with them for 20 something 27 odd million. Yeah and with thousands that he's currently on now that opted out. So if that happens again the Yankees will be first aligned and Bellinger would almost to come back to the Yankees on a three year deal with opt out.

[Ty D. Butler]

I don't think that's going to happen though. But he's 30. He's got a chance to cash it. And look, I guess there's a chance right if no one's going to give him that lucrative contract.

[Moose]

One more thing Ty. The Yankees might be stuck on giving him five years because they feel like 35 the last year. He'll be productive.

[Ty D. Butler]

Which is not bad. Which is not bad.

[Moose]

Thanks for taking my call.

[Ty D. Butler]

I appreciate it. Your point on the Mets though you when you watch how bad that rotation was in the second half of the season I. I'm just not a big fan of the run it back. Maybe it'll work this time plot like that. Senga. Peter, they were all awful outside of McClain it was just terrible. Peterson, all of those guys were bad so now you come into a year where, yes, you'll get a full season of Nolan McClain and that to use like a Brian Cashman philosophy, that's almost like a trade because you get him for the whole 162, but you need more than that, man. Like, that can't be the plan this year. That cannot be the plan. It cannot be. 800-919-3776. Yo, I'm in the YouTube chat and somebody's questioning why I'm wearing a hat. Is it because he's balding?

[Pat O'Keefe]

So I guess I saw that same thing.

[Ty D. Butler]

I guess I should take my hat off to show, no, I'm not balding. Actually, I need a cut and I'm getting the cut tomorrow. I'm getting the cut tomorrow. I hit my barber up yesterday and apparently he's. I've never heard this before. He's like, yeah, I'm not in the shop on Mondays and Tuesdays. I'm like, what?

[Pat O'Keefe]

It's usually Sunday. That's the day that they take off.

[Ty D. Butler]

I think, what? I'm not in. I'm not in on Mondays and Tuesdays. So I couldn't get the cut. Yesterday I submitted my social media video to Jake Montgomery. Unfortunately, man, I wanted to have clean shave and look good for the camera, but that's why I got to wear the hat. So as you guys can see on the YouTube stream, no, I am not balding. It's the exact opposite. I need a haircut.

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[Ty D. Butler]

So good, so good, so good.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Ty D. Butler]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Ty D. Butler]

Don was right. If I need a DJ for the wedding, I'mma ask my man Jacob Perry to tap in, tap out. Look, going to a five.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Listen, if you and wifey need it, I got you.

[Ty D. Butler]

So we are six years in. We're thinking maybe 20 years. What's like the, the standard benchmark for a remarriage like renewing of the vow situation? Is it 20 years? Is it 25?

[Pat O'Keefe]

Well, I can't speak on it because.

[Ty D. Butler]

You know, I'm not devoid of experience.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yeah, I don't want to. I don't want to give any advice.

[Ty D. Butler]

You want to speak out of turn.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Exactly. But I would have to guess, you know, probably maybe like a 10. 20 like you would probably hit a 10 feels early. 10 feels early.

[Ty D. Butler]

Just got mad.

[Jacob Perry]

Google says as early as five.

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[Pat O'Keefe]

See?

[Ty D. Butler]

No way.

[Pat O'Keefe]

So I wasn't bugging five.

[Ty D. Butler]

You're still thinking, did I write big?

[Jacob Perry]

But it sounds like benchmark years, Ty. So you're going to do it on the fives or the zeros here?

[Ty D. Butler]

I think we might get to 20 strong. 20 strong feels like a safe well because we've got wedding pictures in my living room and my son Noah is like, daddy, what's that like? Oh, that's when Mommy and daddy got married. He's like, why wasn't I there? Or you weren't born yet. He's like, I want to be there. I want to wear that suit. So it's gonna be cool to like have the kids involved in the next ceremony, but five. You just said five. Google says five.

[Jacob Perry]

They say milestone anniversary, so I guess the first would be five. And then they just go five, five, five.

[Ty D. Butler]

All right, so 20. You know what that is? That's a money grab. You see, society, listen. That's a money everything. They trying to turn everything into profit. They want you to throw every single party. Cause weddings are expensive.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I heard DJs are expensive.

[Ty D. Butler]

How much you charging as a DJ?

[Pat O'Keefe]

I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna head crack you. Come on.

[Ty D. Butler]

You gonna show some love? A little love, my boy.

[Jacob Perry]

He's giving Don a discount.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I Don a discount?

[Ty D. Butler]

I mean, what's the rate for Don?

[Pat O'Keefe]

I told Don, you know, give me a hundred dollars an hour.

[Ty D. Butler]

Come on, you didn't age a hundred dollars. So this is a five hour service.

[Jacob Perry]

Inflation's not affecting Jacob. I don't know if you know this.

[Ty D. Butler]

Hundred dollars.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Listen, so that's $20. My fee. My fee.

[Ty D. Butler]

You get more working at this radio station.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Actually, no way.

[Ty D. Butler]

Let's not go that far.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not going to go that far. But, but Ty, my fee at one point was like 250. Maybe like 250 an hour.

[Jacob Perry]

No, see, he's at 100 now.

[Pat O'Keefe]

That's when I was. When I was actively DJing. I'm doing it off the rust. I. I don't want to overcharge you. And I don't deliver, but that's not overcharged.

[Ty D. Butler]

100 is nuts. We might, we might. I might look at Don a different way. Unless you want to give you a hundred dollars for DJ. His wedding.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I said Don, 100 an hour. A plate of food.

[Ty D. Butler]

100 an hour.

[Pat O'Keefe]

100 an hour.

[Ty D. Butler]

See that? Stiff season.

[Jacob Perry]

Okay, you guys were.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I didn't say.

[Ty D. Butler]

I'm trying to help.

[Pat O'Keefe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Ty D. Butler]

An hour?

[Pat O'Keefe]

Are you crazy? I might as well just stay and do a shift here.

[Ty D. Butler]

But yeah, okay, but 100 an hour.

[Pat O'Keefe]

A plate. A plate of food and some, some drinks at the bar.

[Ty D. Butler]

Not just a plate. We got the. It's. It's all paid for.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I understand that, but I'm not.

[Ty D. Butler]

It's an open bar.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I don't.

[Ty D. Butler]

Can we do this on talking?

[Pat O'Keefe]

I don't eat much.

[Ty D. Butler]

How do we feel about people who get married and don't have an open bar. It's a cash bar.

[Jacob Perry]

We might as well just pack it in.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yeah, yeah. I'm not. I'm not showing up.

[Ty D. Butler]

That's a. I don't wanna see.

[Jacob Perry]

Probably coming out of the gift.

[Ty D. Butler]

Let me be honest. We go flaccid moment. Let's just put it that way. Is that correct? No movement.

[Jacob Perry]

I believe we go by movement on the show.

[Ty D. Butler]

No movement.

[Jacob Perry]

No movement.

[Ty D. Butler]

No. But here's the thing. You come in, you know, feeling rock solid, and then you immediately you hear or see it's a cash bar. And you're like, all right, we're just mailing in the way. It's the biggest day of your life, and you go in cash bar. And that's not me trying to talk from a place of, you know, prosperity on a high horse. But you gotta go open bar for a wedding. You can't have people pulling up and having to spend money.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Listen, I'm either bringing a flask, I'm bringing a bottle from the outside. If it's a paid bar, what's the point? Like, what's the point of me showing that?

[Ty D. Butler]

How about this? I shouldn't be too specific about it because I don't want this to get clipped out and the wrong people to see it, but let's just call it in the last five years, I went out of state to a wedding.

[Jacob Perry]

That doesn't narrow it down, by the way. You've been to a lot of out of state. You've been out of country weddings.

[Ty D. Butler]

I went out of state to a wedding, was excited because this was a state I had in a city I've never been to. And I was like, oh, this is going to be popping, yo. No alcohol at the wedding. None. None. Zero. Straight seltzer and cranberry juice, ginger ale. None. And this is not because I'm some big drinker. Like, I don't want to purport myself to be that. But it's a party, bro. We out of state. You coming to have a good time. You break from the kids. I'm with my lady. We on the dance floor, you know, we trying to get right. No, no. No alcohol at this wedding. You cannot do that.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I'm kind of disappointed for you. Cause as a parent. Well, as parents. I'm not a parent yet either, but those are the times you look forward to.

[Ty D. Butler]

Exactly.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Even if it's like five minutes, nice little getaway.

[Ty D. Butler]

We got the airbnb, you know what I mean? Trying to get right when did you.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Find out that it was a dry wedding?

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, this is a very funny story. So I found out. It was so awkward, bro. I found out at a gathering that was held, like, just two months prior to the wedding to where I asked the would be or soon to be bride about, like, the whole fun, like, yo, it's gonna be a great time. Here's what you can expect. A bunch of pictures. You're really not gonna eat much. The night's gonna fly by. One thing you will have people doing, because, you know, it's a younger crowd, everybody's gonna be trying to, like, hand you shots. She's like, oh, no, there's no alcohol at the wedding. And my mouth dropped. I was like, yo, I didn't know what to say. I was like, stuttering. And you know me, I've always got something to say. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, I totally understand. Like, it'll be fun. Regard, man. When I gave my. When I gave Cassie the memo, she's like, wait, what? She said.

[Jacob Perry]

We all of a sudden became busy that weekend. I don't know what happened.

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, we forgot. Wow. Noah has the karate tournament that week.

[Jacob Perry]

He can't miss the karate. The green belt karate tournament's a big.

[Pat O'Keefe]

That's a big one. It's his first tournament, too. I can't miss it.

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, did you say. You said October 3rd. Oh, wow.

[Jacob Perry]

Oh, you said October.

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, wow. I don't know why I thought it was.

[Jacob Perry]

I got my burn months mixed up. I apolog.

[Ty D. Butler]

Yo, it was. It was quite the revelation, man. Quite the reveal, bro. It was crazy, but we got through, had a good time. Who says you need alcohol to have fun? I don't want to. I don't want to put that out there. 800-919-3776. So we do have talk about it Tuesday. I should have saved that for talk about it Tuesday. Maybe we'll hit Draymond, because Draymond, I would call it embarrassing. But the problem is if the organization doesn't condemn it, they condone it, by the way. So on my screen, I see. I see Han and Don on this. On the screen. Are we just running a replay of them at this point?

[Jacob Perry]

No, no, we're good. I got to see what happened.

[Ty D. Butler]

We just decided to. Oh, I was like. We just took Ty off the screen. We pulled the 60 minutes and said, you know what? We're going to air a different episode.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I think what happened, because the same issue happened to me on my side was watching you on the screen, and then it. After The Michael K stream ended. It just never went back and just went to the dry bar community.

[Ty D. Butler]

We got kids. Yeah. It's like ties on the air doing too much promotion to alcohol.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Somebody said, why is Don Black in the chat?

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, we did get. Someone hit us up in the chat. And now here's where I. I don't want to, you know, make you feel uncomfortable, but they said, Jacob, he badly needs a haircut.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yes, I did see that too. I mean, it's there.

[Ty D. Butler]

Can we see? Can we see this? This is.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I showed it.

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, you showed it. I didn't see. I want to see your head. No Diddy. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. So when we thinking that we can't.

[Jacob Perry]

We forget that. We forget that Jacob had, like.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I had a whole head of hair, like, ponytail and everything.

[Ty D. Butler]

That was.

[Jacob Perry]

That wasn't very long now.

[Pat O'Keefe]

It was. It was a year ago at this.

[Jacob Perry]

This year kind of flew by.

[Ty D. Butler]

I had my conspiracy theory.

[Jacob Perry]

Yes.

[Ty D. Butler]

I said, he's. He's leaving the station. He's got a job interview. That's like big time. Because there's no. He's. He's like, oh, I just wanted to go a different route with my. I said, no way. It was a drastic change. He went from the cornrows, man. I'm scrolling on Instagram during the show, and my. My man's taking selfies, posting it on the gram.

[Jacob Perry]

Let's not forget the Instagram. The Instagram snafu between you two. I still don't know if that's awesome.

[Ty D. Butler]

You haven't resolved.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yeah, we resolved it.

[Ty D. Butler]

I used to. And for people who don't know, I used to be. And I felt like this was a presti. Like this was prestigious. I felt like it was a badge of honor. I was part of my man Jacob's inner circle. Inner circle. Close stories. But I think what happened was too many times. Cause this is what usually takes place when you're on radio. You forget, like, what's for air versus what's not for air. One too many times I mentioned waking up on a Saturday morning to just some. Some shenanigans. Just like, wait, what was that? What was Jacob doing last night? Now it all makes sense.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yeah. My first couple years working at the station and trying to have, like, a nightlife. He was out. It was something.

[Ty D. Butler]

It was treacherous.

[Jacob Perry]

You learned quickly.

[Ty D. Butler]

It was treacherous. But anyway, we can't go into 2026 with this.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I'm absolutely going in 2026 like this. I don't plan on getting a cut. I didn't Even plan on hitting my barber up.

[Ty D. Butler]

Are you making a statement? What is this, a no shade?

[Jacob Perry]

It's another job interview.

[Ty D. Butler]

Ty, what's going on?

[Pat O'Keefe]

Clearly it's not a job interview because they wouldn't, wouldn't hire me looking like this.

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, the interview is Don wants you to DJ as well. So what's, what's the plan here? You just gonna let it grow out?

[Pat O'Keefe]

Just let it grow out a little.

[Ty D. Butler]

You want the braids back?

[Pat O'Keefe]

I don't want the braids back.

[Ty D. Butler]

That's it.

[Pat O'Keefe]

It was a lot to manage. Also takes a lot out of scalp and everything. I think I'm gonna like let it grow out. Get a little mini fro maybe. We'll see.

[Ty D. Butler]

I don't know if people know this, but when I was younger, so up until middle school, I had braids. And what forced me out of my braids was I went to a military middle school and my principal told me I had to cut my hair. And embarrassingly, I cried when he said, yo, you got to cut your hair. I dead ass cried. I was in the barber, in the barber chair watching this beautiful head of nappy hair. Cuz I'm black. You know, we got nappy hair fall to the ground. And I'm thinking, man, the end of an era. The end of an era.

[Pat O'Keefe]

Yeah. I mean, what kind of led me to like cut my hairs? Because I got to the point I was just wearing it out like in a ponytail for like a month, maybe month and a half. Haven't seen my stylist. My stylist happened to work a day job and it's like in the times that she was getting booked was evenings and I wasn't getting off to like seven. She wasn't probably seeing nobody else for like the rest of the evening. So I was like, you know what, I've chilled long enough. The ponytail was cool. I've grew my hair for five years. Coming off Covid hair too. So yeah, so I finally.

[Ty D. Butler]

That was a time, man.

[Pat O'Keefe]

So I was like, you know what? Time to let it go.

[Ty D. Butler]

Yo, barbers would let you pull up to their crib during COVID Oh yeah.

[Pat O'Keefe]

My barbers absolutely let me do it. Yeah, I just get lined up and walk right out.

[Ty D. Butler]

Someone in the chat just said, I'm too good looking for radio.

[Jacob Perry]

I think somebody in the chat confused me and you at one point.

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Jacob Perry]

I thought Ty was a skinny white 5 foot 2 kid who used to be in the background now has his own radio show.

[Ty D. Butler]

Wait, so do you think that that same person is talking about you. When they say Ty is too good looking for radio. No, no, no, no.

[Jacob Perry]

They're definitely talking about you. But if we ever worked together, I think we got confused somehow.

[Ty D. Butler]

Very interesting. People used to do that. When Jacob and I would pick up the phone, I felt racially charged.

[Pat O'Keefe]

I mean, I still kind of feel like that even times when Ty clearly is the host and I'm clearly the producer and I say, hello, ESPN New York.

[Ty D. Butler]

Oh, hey Ty.

[Jacob Perry]

I've gotten every, I got every name under the sun at some point. I got Chantel once.

[Ty D. Butler]

Really?

[Jacob Perry]

I got Jacob.

[Ty D. Butler]

That's disrespectful. I was Ray.

[Jacob Perry]

Which Ray is the good.

[Ty D. Butler]

Yeah, but they're saying you sound like a woman. I know a black woman at that. Hey, this white man sounds like a black woman.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Ty D. Butler]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Ty D. Butler]

I feel attacked by that last promo we played. Second New York station that never stops talking sports and we just spent the whole last segment not talking any sports. So let's get back to sports 800-919-3776 and and we got into this a little bit last night on the New York jets, who just like even in a season where you didn't have high expectations, somehow found a way to be disappointing. Like how is it possible that I watched that game last night between the Colts and niners and saw 44 year old Philip Rivers in just his second game in five years, look better than any Jet quarterback has this entire season. Now look, he threw a bunch of ducks, but that dude was balling ballin. This past Sunday, the Giants, who stink, were competitive, had a game winning draft potential. The Raiders, who might be even worse, were competitive against a playoff team and had a late lead against the Texans. The Browns hung in there and had a chance to steal a game against Josh Allen's Bills. And then of course we have the jets who made the Saints look like world beaters. Yo, seriously, if you had watched that game with someone who just didn't know anything about the NFL all season long and not watch football, they'd say, you know what, all this talk about both conferences being wide open, why can't the Saints win the Super Bowl? Like that's how good New Orleans looked against the chess this past Sunday. Like the 85 Bears on defense and 01 Rams on offense. It was, it was so wild and I want to say it was unbelievable. But it wasn't. Because if you know anything about this team and how bad they are, how poorly coached, how undisciplined they are, this is what you come to expect. Which brings us here. The people who are defending Aaron Glenn would love for you to believe this entire season is just like preseason where like the results don't matter, games were played, but you can't actually take anything from it, can't judge him. It's year one, what can you expect? They're building something. Hold on to the rope. Which man? Aaron Glenn, yesterday actually, let's replay it. His message to the fans, to me.

[Aaron Glenn]

I will continue to say, like just don't let go of the rope because there is a plan, there is a vision. From day one we've been trying to set the foundation of what we want this team to be. And I'm a lot of that is from in house perspective for the most part you still have a number of things that you have to have to go through as far as man, making sure that everybody understands exactly what you're trying to accomplish. When you like what type of team do you want to be? And our guys know that they do. But listen, we have to continue to work on that between men moves. We got to continue to like players that we want. Like that whole deal is something that we continue looking and for the fans, listen, it's going to be a tough road and we knew that. But man, the thing is we know exactly what we're doing and we do have a plan and just don't get let go of the rope.

[Ty D. Butler]

I would say that contrary to what people would believe I don't enjoy ripping this guy. I obviously am a fan of this team who wants to see them excel, but I can't be dishonest or disingenuous in my commentary. So when he sits there and he's trying to sell us on this vision that they have him and Moosh for this team, that vision could not have possibly included in year one firing your defensive coordinator before the season ended. It could not have included benching your quarterback nine games into a season and having the owner of the team watch said quarterback be so bad he stood up in front of all these reporters in a hotel lobby and told you he stunk. Not only does he stink, I think he's the worst quarterback in football and no one can win with that guy. This could not have been part of the plan. Part of that plan could not have included in your last three games getting waxed by 75 points against, which includes losses to the Dolphins, who after that benched their quarterback, and the Saints, who just five minutes ago were in the conversation for being the number a team that could get the number one overall pick. So look, as we sit here today, it's like every year we're doing the same segment. Everything that could go wrong has go wrong and none of it was by accident. None of it can be written off as just, well, you know, what did you expect would happen for a first year head coach? Well, I did not expect that defense that all last year we thought was talented but just wasn't well coached. I didn't expect that defense to get gassed the way that it has been all season long. And you can't sit here and tell me, well, they traded away two of their players at the deadline. They were awful before that, they stunk before that. So all of this is reason for any fan, rational or irrational, to panic because there's nothing we've seen from this head coach, nothing he's put on tape that is inspiring or leads us to have any hope, nothing whatsoever. And look, I get, because I'm part of the pro tank crowd, I would like to not have to trade every single pick available to us to, to, you know, to get the quarterback. But even with the loss being what's best for the team going forward, it's gut wrenching watching them just get bludgeoned by the Saints. They're headed toward their third 14 plus lost season in franchise history. And I can't find anything positive to take away going into what's a critical offseason, especially when, and I've made this point a couple times. Like the, the, the defense for the Giants, if you want to have one, is yo, they played the toughest schedule in the football. I mean, throw your hands up and whatever. What can you expect? The jets are headed for a 14 loss season despite the seventh easiest schedule like that. That is just hard to fathom. And then it's like, all right, turn the page onto next season. You take a Look at the 2026 schedule for this team and I understand when you're a bad team, every schedule looks tough. But they're playing the AFC West. That's a division that's going to send two teams to the playoff this year and one of them might be the number one seed in Denver. And you also play the NFC north, another division with two playoff teams and another playoff contender. So it's not going to get any easier. Now, yes, the roster should improve and maybe you get your quarterback, but we're headed for another bad season, one that you hope can somehow, I guess, worst case scenario, parallel to what the Giants are experiencing where, yes, we're losing football games, but at least we have the quarterback. But then it comes down to how much losing can you endure for a head coach, one without anyone, without any experience. To where you say, he just might not be the guy, he just might not be the guy. I guess I'm supposed to be excited about the upcoming draft, but it may not be in their hands. If you're picking behind the Raiders and the Browns, you're drawing dead. Those teams need quarterbacks and unless you give the Giants this godfather offer, you're kicking the can down the road again. And I've got no interest in Kyler Murray, Kirk Cousins, Mack Jones. Like, I'm good. I am all the way good on those guys. So miss me with that. Miss me with that.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sauce is messages made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.