Hour 1: Michael Kay & Knicks-Thunder

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 1: Michael Kay & Knicks–Thunder

March 5, 2026 | ESPN New York | Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca | Special Appearance: Michael Kay

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Episode Overview

This episode mixes classic banter, station inside jokes, and sharp New York sports insight, with a special pop-in from Michael Kay. The show covers broadcast inside baseball, celebrity privacy, Knicks-Thunder reactions, and broader NBA debates about the regular season's true value.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Michael Kay Joins in Studio: Dynamics and Show Evolution

• The show opens with lively debate about whether Michael Kay should be an official guest host and the playful politics of show branding.
  • Rosenberg jokes: “He claims that if we call it the Michael K show till 6:30, he'll stay the entire show.” (01:17)
  • Kay challenges: “But then Don also said…the one who does not want you here is Peter.” (01:26)
  • Alan insists he has “zero sensitivities” to show transitions, poking fun at the revolving host culture: “Michael wants to stay, I will see myself out. Like, I win, I win.” (01:47)
• Joke about needing a laugh track as a solo host: “You need somebody, you need a control room to just open up the key and laugh in your ear.” — Michael Kay (02:43)
• The loose, locker-room banter features jokes about vacation time, age, and appearance, with Michael Kay discussing his wife's (Jody's) age — “She's 61. She'll be 62 May 2nd.” (18:17) — and the panel riffing about hair color, skincare, and aging on TV.

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2. Celebrity Privacy and Athlete Public Life

• The group discusses the scrutiny Aaron Rodgers' wife receives:
  • Michael Kay: “You marry Aaron Rodgers. What do you think you're signing up for—anonymity?” (05:00)
  • Alan Hahn tracks Rodgers’ celebrity history, referencing Danica Patrick, Olivia Munn, and Shailene Woodley, then adds: “Don’t pretend like all of a sudden you're backing out. And now no one should care.” (06:09)
  • Rosenberg: “He's not doing any favors by keeping it a secret… if he had just said, this is my wife, there would be less curiosity. But now there's even more…” (05:12)
• Discussion on Pat McAfee's rise, mixing respect and envy:
  • “He gets everybody. It’s crazy.” — Alan Hahn (07:14)
  • Kay appreciates McAfee’s success: “The guy’s got the formula. Everybody in the world goes on his show.” (06:42)

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3. Defining "Nozzles" in Sports: Ego, Coaches, and Media

• Continued running gag about "top five nozzles in sports," i.e., most aggravating or self-important figures.
  • Alan Hahn references Tim Tebow (for "tight shirt on in the rain" vibes), Draymond Green, and argues many college basketball and football coaches belong: “College basketball coaches, too. They're in there.” (08:40)
  • Don La Greca: “But the kid [student paper writer] won that one. The rare bully nozzle.” (08:56)
• Michael Kay’s punchline: “I don't know if, you know, this kid left school. Heading to Mexico. Nobody knows where he is.” (09:11) — a humorously absurd escalation.

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4. Knicks–Thunder Reactions: What Does This Game Mean?

• Extended breakdown of the Knicks’ nail-biter vs. the Thunder, with a passionate look at fans/media trying to gauge "what matters" in the regular season.
• Game Analysis:
  • Rosenberg: “Great game last night between the Knicks and the Thunder. Good back and forth... it lived up to the expectations.” (31:04)
  • Don: “It had a presence, it had a moment… Fat Joe got up. Everybody was losing it. And it got the crowd from being the typical, 'let’s just enjoy' to 'oh, we hate them now.'” (31:22)
  • Alan Hahn: "The Knicks… scored 40 in the third quarter… going toe to toe… there was a big time feel of, 'they’re going to pull this off.'" (32:50)
  • The show's consensus: The team’s toughness is finally visible, even as the loss stings.
• Debating Regular Season Value:
  • Rosenberg rails against “pick and choose” analysis: “I’m just tired of these games getting used for whatever you want... does it matter or does it not matter?” (36:47)
  • Don: “Every game has to have some sort of takeaway… confidence comes from demonstrated performance and you're giving Detroit confidence.” (47:06)
  • Alan Hahn notes improved record vs. top teams: “Last year, 10 and 20 against top six… this year they're 16 and 10.” (48:05)
• Big Picture: The panel agrees that Knicks fans can’t ignore bad losses (like to the Pistons) while hyping tough wins/losses, and that the path to the Finals may pit NY against teams like Boston, Detroit, or OKC.

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5. NBA Playoff Outlook & Celtics Threat

• Caller David and the hosts dissect the landscape:
  • Alan Hahn: “If Tatum… is playing like Tatum… they're the favorite [in the East]. Sorry Detroit.” (52:09)
  • Don: “They're not as deep as they once were… if you wanted to put money on them, I have a buyer beware.” (52:45)
  • Discussion of gauntlet stretch, playoff seeding, and the importance of finishing strong to avoid bad first-round matchups.
  • “You’re not the little engine that could anymore. You’re in the conversation.” — Rosenberg, discussing the Knicks stepping up to contenders. (48:29)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Solo Hosting & Laughter:
  “You don’t know if you’re funny… you need a control room to just open up the key and laugh in your ear.” — Michael Kay (02:32)
• On Aaron Rodgers' Celebrity:
  “Don’t pretend like all of a sudden you’re backing out. And now no one should care.” — Alan Hahn (06:09)
• On “Nozzles”:
  “The rare bully nozzle.” — Don Hahn (08:56)
• About Knicks Fans’ Emotional Swings:
  “I want to take them as they come… I don’t want there to be an excuse every time your team loses and then every time your team wins it’s ‘oh, my God, we’re going to win the championship.’ That’s just so frustrating about basketball right now.” — Rosenberg (40:04)
• About NBA Standings:
  “You’re not the little engine that could anymore. You’re in the conversation.” — Rosenberg (48:29)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:30 – 03:10: Hosts riff on Michael Kay's cameo, show branding, and the need for a laugh track.
• 04:38 – 06:30: Celebrity, privacy, and Aaron Rodgers’ wife debate.
• 06:42 – 08:19: Pat McAfee’s media dominance and envy/respect discussion.
• 07:46 – 09:14: "Nozzle" power rankings and coach/media personality critiques.
• 31:04 – 40:00: Knicks–Thunder postgame analysis, meaning of regular season results, and fan/media expectations.
• 45:00 – 50:30: The playoff gauntlet, impact of current streak, Mitchell Robinson’s health, and expectations for the closing stretch.
• 52:00 – 53:00: Celtics as a new/returning favorite with Tatum’s return.

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Tone & Format

The episode is classic NYC sports radio—sarcastic, self-aware, deeply filled with inside jokes and time-worn banter. Each host brings both humor and hard-edged basketball takes, and Michael Kay’s presence adds to that iconic feel. It’s as much about the culture of sports broadcasting and fandom as it is about the Knicks or NBA specifics.

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For New Listeners

This installment is perfect for those who love unscripted, honest New York sports talk—where taking shots, breaking down big games, and waxing about the state of media (and aging) all mix with genuine basketball insight. Expect playful ribbing, savvy playoff analysis, and the ongoing debate: what really matters in the NBA regular season?

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Michael K]

You know what?

[Rosenberg]

Maybe they can go pee on each other. That'd be great.

[Caller Rob]

There's a lot of women out there

[Don Hahn]

that want you, Alan and Rosenberg.

[Alan Hahn]

Give me the porn. For God's sake.

[Rosenberg]

This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Don Hahn]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Caller Rob]

The best threesome I've ever heard on

[Don Hahn]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Rosenberg]

3 o' clock in the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg till 6:30, then it's Rangers Leafs here on ESPN. New York had a big game last night at the Garden to break down Michael K. He's either calling our bluff or something. But he is still in the studio. I offered him four hours in exchange for his name being on the show for today. I didn't feel that it was my place to give him that without your consent.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Rosenberg]

So I said no. But he claims that if we call it the Michael k show till 6:30, he'll stay the entire show.

[Alan Hahn]

We want an extended case show.

[Michael K]

But. But then Don also said something very interesting. He said, the one who does not want you here is Peter.

[Rosenberg]

You asked me.

[Michael K]

Yeah, he said. I said, of the three of them, I think Peter probably doesn't want me around. And I said, it's true.

[Rosenberg]

I said it's true.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't believe that. You know, it's Alan.

[Rosenberg]

You're.

[Alan Hahn]

You're trying to be the.

[Michael K]

No, I think Alan really likes me. I think.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not about that. But I think Alan has greater sensitivities to the new version of the show

[Don Hahn]

versus the old version. No, none. He. I have zero sensitivities. In fact, if Michael wants to say, I will see myself out, like, I win, I win.

[Alan Hahn]

My point is proven.

[Rosenberg]

So no name change. So how long do we get you for?

[Michael K]

Two minutes? Three minutes?

[Alan Hahn]

All right, I'll work with two or three minutes. Sure, why not?

[Michael K]

What do you need?

[Don Hahn]

You usually do.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Rick. So go ahead.

[Rosenberg]

No, you said so. Yeah, so. Means there's something.

[Don Hahn]

But I realized that you. You kept Michael here for two or three minutes, so you're not keeping him here for me to start talking for two to three minutes.

[Rosenberg]

No, I made. He could be the audience.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I made him. No, there was no promises made. No stick around.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Michael K]

You know the worst part about doing a show alone? You don't know if you're funny. Well, it's hard to be funny alone, but very.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, it's not.

[Rich Eisen]

It's not.

[Rosenberg]

It's not good. I have no laugh track.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael K]

You need somebody, you need a control

[Don Hahn]

room to just like open up the key and laugh in your ears.

[Rosenberg]

Ray.

[Michael K]

Ray's not a laugher.

[Rosenberg]

No, that's what I'm saying. I've known Ray for 25 years. If he's laughing, then you.

[Don Hahn]

Then your joke was funny. Right.

[Rosenberg]

But you've probably told some funny jokes and he didn't crack a smile. And then you've got assortment of board ops. Right. It could be anybody, any time.

[Rich Eisen]

Right.

[Michael K]

Anybody off the street, they pull.

[Rosenberg]

So

[Alan Hahn]

I like that 60s laugh.

[Don Hahn]

Would that help? Right. If you had that. As you would telling Joe.

[Michael K]

Yeah, that would be good. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You alone. Cuz like, that's why like the studio audience is so important.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

When you're doing like a sitcom.

[Michael K]

Right. You gotta respond live and there's no audience there.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no, you can't. No. People have to react.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael K]

And he was gonna keep the teeth cracked or is he gonna get caps?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, no, I think he'll get him fit.

[Alan Hahn]

He's running with the brand right now though.

[Michael K]

Right now I think he's like.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know if he's made a conscious decision or just like literally hasn't had the time.

[Michael K]

Have you seen Tate McCray around the.

[Rosenberg]

She was at one of New America. I called, but we did not see her. No.

[Don Hahn]

You have to get her on the broadcast. You know that's coming.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think Rachel saw her.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Because she was down by the ice and so I. I did not see. She.

[Don Hahn]

Her. Her brother's. Her brother plays in college hockey. Played against Zach's team and we were trying to.

[Alan Hahn]

She's a hockey girl.

[Rosenberg]

She's from Calories.

[Don Hahn]

She's from Calgary.

[Alan Hahn]

She's from Calgary, Yeah. The home of Don't.

[Don Hahn]

There's one incredible album cover of her and it's just goalie pads.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that true?

[Rosenberg]

Just goalie.

[Michael K]

Yeah, Big goalie pads.

[Don Hahn]

Just up to her knees, really. And she's standing.

[Michael K]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

Everybody's googling right now.

[Alan Hahn]

Goalie pads.

[Michael K]

So I'm a big McCray fan.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, true.

[Don Hahn]

Big McCrackey, actually. Her music's not terrible, but they were trying to get her on the air There too. They were on Nesson. They were trying to get her to. To come do a broadcast, but she was in a suite. Just staying.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's kind of what it was. Where.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, she's.

[Michael K]

But I mean, the chance to meet

[Rosenberg]

you and Paul the other night. Paul Skeens was there.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, boy.

[Rosenberg]

I was before train spring training started.

[Michael K]

Get Libby Dunn on.

[Rosenberg]

Well, they were both there, but they didn't want to be seen, you know, to be shown.

[Michael K]

Interesting. I don't like that because I don't

[Rosenberg]

think they want to. They just want to just live their lives, man. As Aaron Rodgers said, she didn't sign up for this.

[Michael K]

Yeah, but you guys made great points yesterday. Yes, I was listening. You know, you marry Aaron Rodgers. What do you think you're signing up for? Anonymity?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. She thought no one would ever be curious about who she was.

[Rosenberg]

And if she told, she said to

[Don Hahn]

him, I'll date you only on the condition that no one knows about it and it's complete secret.

[Rosenberg]

Right. And he said, I'm sure she said lie, because he has to know that that was gonna be a thing. They were gonna follow him around. They were gonna. And he's not doing any favors by keeping it a secret. Not saying he asked that as a press conference, but if he had just said, this is my wife.

[Michael K]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

There'd be less curiosity. But now there's even more curiosity because nobody has seen her. Now this question. Is he making her up? Well. And so now they're hungry for even more.

[Alan Hahn]

TMZ will find him and he goes, it's bizarre. It's bizarre that people even care.

[Don Hahn]

Do you think it's real?

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, buddy. Well, both.

[Rosenberg]

It is bizarre that people care. Not bizarre, but you know it's not.

[Alan Hahn]

But you know, life already care. You've been famous for now. Aaron Rodgers has been famous for 24 years. Almost as long as he was not famous. No more. More than he was not famous. You also were with Danica Patrick, Olivia Munn. You know, this is the life changing.

[Michael K]

Woodley.

[Alan Hahn]

Shailene Woodley.

[Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

Three of them.

[Don Hahn]

Celebrities.

[Alan Hahn]

Celebrities.

[Don Hahn]

Stop.

[Alan Hahn]

Just don't. It's fine. I get it.

[Don Hahn]

Just say hey.

[Alan Hahn]

I'd like people to respect my privacy. Sure, no problem. Don't pretend like all of a sudden you're backing out.

[Michael K]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

And now no one should care.

[Rosenberg]

And if he told her, no, don't worry about it. It'll be fine. And you're lying to her. That's not right.

[Alan Hahn]

You didn't choose to do a weekly with A columnist in Green Bay. You go on the Pat McAfee show on T. You know what I'm saying? He's not hiding in the forest. He did for three days, and guess what? Made the biggest deal about it of all time.

[Michael K]

Yeah, I'm a big McAfee fan now.

[Alan Hahn]

Got a lot of feedback yesterday, including. I gotta tell you, McAfee's grown on you.

[Michael K]

Oh, my God. I mean, the guy's got the formula. Everybody in the world goes on a show.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, so you mean you're impressed by him?

[Michael K]

I'm very impressed. He's wealthy. That's impressive.

[Alan Hahn]

Money loves money. Now, I got. I got a lot of.

[Don Hahn]

So what you need to do.

[Rosenberg]

Because money finds money likes money.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

It's his show.

[Michael K]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But he has a laugh track all around him, doesn't he?

[Michael K]

He has people, never alone. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

He's got, like, seven people on the show.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And then they have guests on almost every segment.

[Michael K]

Yeah, it's a great show.

[Alan Hahn]

You've got the guest. Every segment part down. Now you need. Now you need the laugh track level

[Michael K]

of guests that he gets.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, he gets everybody. It's crazy.

[Michael K]

I get no one now.

[Alan Hahn]

But I did get some feedback yesterday. I wouldn't say that's true, but, yeah, we got a lot of money back yesterday. And I finished my point.

[Michael K]

Why are we getting so truculent? I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Because everyone. I tried three times now, and now we're bringing up Mike Lupica. What? I have a payoff here. We got a lot of traction yesterday when we did our top. We were counting down top five nozzles in sports, including no less than the great Yankee producer Troy Benjamin, who sent me a text to weigh in as well. I don't know if you want me to say the specific. Let me see if he'd be comfortable with the names that suggest.

[Michael K]

I think he's producing the game right now, where the losing.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you were one of the names. I'm just kidding. He did not send your name, but we were having the conversation. Oh. I don't think he'd care about me releasing either of these.

[Michael K]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

These were just his suggestions. He threw Tim Tebow into the mix, and he threw Draymond Green into the mix. Two very different kind, if you're depending on how you define nozzle. Very different. Tebow. It would be the, oh, you know, I'm just running with a tight shirt on in the rain kind of nozzle. Sorry, it was no shirt.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

No shirt.

[Alan Hahn]

Whereas Draymond, of course, his Nozzle is, you know, it's almost its own cat. Draymond. Nozzle bonds.

[Michael K]

Almost a whole different level of nozzle with Aaron.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm saying.

[Michael K]

Nobody gets to that level.

[Alan Hahn]

Can you think of anyone that you could put in that he's really.

[Michael K]

It's verified every college football coach.

[Rosenberg]

Everyone. It's them.

[Michael K]

And Roger Lane. Kiffin's an awesome.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, come on.

[Don Hahn]

They are college basketball coaches, too.

[Alan Hahn]

They're in there.

[Don Hahn]

Cla coach. And what he did with the student newspaper guy, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that was a bad one. Did you go off on that one? Yeah, that one.

[Don Hahn]

Come on.

[Alan Hahn]

But, yeah, it's hard.

[Rosenberg]

That's being a bully. Not just a nozzle.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but the kid a bully.

[Alan Hahn]

Nozzle.

[Don Hahn]

The kid won that one.

[Rosenberg]

The rare bully nozzle the kid.

[Michael K]

I don't know if, you know, this kid left school.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

Really?

[Michael K]

Yeah. They don't even know where he is.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you being serious or not?

[Michael K]

He left school.

[Don Hahn]

Get out of here.

[Alan Hahn]

He went too far.

[Michael K]

He went to Route. What is it? Route 1.

[Rosenberg]

Route 5.

[Michael K]

Heading to Mexico. Nobody knows where he is.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not true.

[Rosenberg]

The first sentence he had me. I know.

[Alan Hahn]

He left school, and then he kept going.

[Rosenberg]

He just took it too far. They can'.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, I think that I would. He's been workshopping stuff like this with Just Ray. Listen.

[Michael K]

And Ray doesn't.

[Rosenberg]

He's really excited.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So he's excited to have someone here.

[Don Hahn]

The fact you said with Just Ray

[Rosenberg]

listening, k in studio with us around him is almost like holding a press conference for a coach.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Michael, does anything I bring that up

[Michael K]

about, you know, I defended the men's hockey team and I brought you up. You know, people are saying, well, how could they have let the president say that about. You're gonna correct the president. You shouldn't say that, Mr. President.

[Alan Hahn]

How about this, Michael?

[Michael K]

They were totally innocent.

[Alan Hahn]

Michael, how about this? I have a lot of things I could say about that event. I am with you on that. That was to hold.

[Michael K]

How do you blame the guys in the moment?

[Alan Hahn]

On a speakerphone.

[Michael K]

And Also, they're like 15 beers in. They're all tanked up.

[Alan Hahn]

It's very tough.

[Michael K]

And President Trump says something, and rather

[Alan Hahn]

than laugh, they go, excuse me, you know what? Not the pilot player.

[Rich Eisen]

That's wrong.

[Don Hahn]

Wait a minute.

[Alan Hahn]

They had opportunities afterwards if they wanted to say anything, but in that moment,

[Don Hahn]

took it too far.

[Michael K]

And I think everything right after that, they. They. I think there's a genuine affection towards him. SNL was tremendous.

[Rosenberg]

That was very Good.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, I missed the snl.

[Michael K]

So what was.

[Alan Hahn]

What did perfect?

[Michael K]

The two Huggis brothers. And then they had two people from the women's team. Two women from the women's team.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

During news.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

First the brothers came out, right.

[Rosenberg]

And. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And they were. They were with the. The guy who's hosting, who's from the. The show. The show. The. What's it called

[Michael K]

now? Refused to watch.

[Don Hahn]

They came out.

[Alan Hahn]

Grow up, Mike.

[Don Hahn]

And they're side by side talking more

[Rosenberg]

hockey than the other thing.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, you're right.

[Michael K]

You're right. You know what?

[Don Hahn]

It's all hockey because he hates hockey.

[Alan Hahn]

He has no interest in a hockey show.

[Don Hahn]

And I just wanted to get that out there. And then. Then came out the. The. The women's players.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

And of course, the crowd went crazy, and the. The guys, you know, made fun of themselves throughout the whole thing. So it was perfect. It was what you needed to do.

[Alan Hahn]

I got a night in Keller, but

[Don Hahn]

they made it in Hillary Knight, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they made it for the start of the show.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a speedy plane.

[Don Hahn]

That is.

[Rosenberg]

Well, we were just. The plane I was on, See, I. Because I got home about maybe 30 minutes earlier, so I didn't think he was, you know, he would have been

[Alan Hahn]

able to make it.

[Michael K]

Did Huggus know your name?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, we talk all the time.

[Michael K]

Hey, Don, how you doing? Yeah, back of your belly. He says no, back of your belly.

[Alan Hahn]

You want to know if Jack Hughes has said to Don, how's the back of your belly for a sleigh ride?

[Michael K]

Just wondering. Their relationship that close?

[Rosenberg]

But to get back to the point about his teeth, I don't think he's doing it to be that guy. I literally don't think he's had the time to go ahead.

[Michael K]

It doesn't take that long.

[Rosenberg]

But he has had no time. It was because that was Sunday. Right. We played Wednesday. So they went and they partied in Miami. They gets back, has the game. We had a game Wednesday, Thursday in Pittsburgh and then went from Pittsburgh to St. Louis. So I guess he could have done it. But in all that time, where was he? McAfee flew him to Indianapolis to be at the combine on McAfee.

[Michael K]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

And then you're right after the game against St. Louis, back to New York.

[Michael K]

USNL can't call a dentist to say Huggus needs teeth, but I don't think

[Rosenberg]

he was in that kind of a hurry.

[Don Hahn]

Plus, he's playing right now in season, right? Yeah, it's going to probably. He can get hit again Any. At any time. That's.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's playing.

[Don Hahn]

This is something.

[Michael K]

He could keep it out. Whoa.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, a cap is easy, but I'm talking about, like, to fix it. Fix it. He'll do that in the off season, right?

[Michael K]

How can you fix it? Fix it?

[Alan Hahn]

Replace cap? Well, yeah, you'll put on a whole

[Don Hahn]

thing, but he can have like something that just goes over it.

[Rosenberg]

Why?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Why not wait till the season is over? Because it is part of the charm.

[Michael K]

Extraordinary pain, though, when you crack a tooth every time you breathe.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it depends on how much of the nerve is exposed.

[Michael K]

Probably all of it, right?

[Rosenberg]

Well, maybe none of it. I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

It was like the bottom piece.

[Rosenberg]

You ever.

[Don Hahn]

You ever crack a tooth or anything?

[Michael K]

They ever do that? I do. Nothing physical.

[Don Hahn]

Nothing.

[Michael K]

Nothing.

[Don Hahn]

Lucky you. You don't have to feel that pain. There's other pain we feel, but no,

[Alan Hahn]

I'm sure the one that, the version that he has right now, he's not in pain or he would be getting it done.

[Michael K]

Yeah, but he had to have pain when he did it. And still.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, well, I mean, yeah, he's a man.

[Rosenberg]

He was a hockey player still.

[Michael K]

I mean, that's extraordinary pain.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but these are hockey players. They would do it.

[Don Hahn]

They'd.

[Alan Hahn]

They'd saw off their thumb and finish the game.

[Michael K]

So they don't do load management. No, no, no, no. Interesting.

[Rosenberg]

See what you did there, though, and the other thing that we were talking about, the celebration after they won, Rogers was on your side. Was not happy that Patel was in there.

[Alan Hahn]

I saw that. I'm a big Rogers guy, always have. And you saw. And McAfee and the guys kind of like tried to skate past. Could tell Rogers wanted to stay there for a minute on the side.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, he did.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah. You could tell. He was like, no, no, no, I want to talk more about gas. And then they're like. Then you have a lot of gruff sounds and then moved on.

[Michael K]

I heard, you know, I consume everything. Our president didn't like that.

[Alan Hahn]

I read that.

[Michael K]

Yeah, he didn't see.

[Don Hahn]

Is that.

[Alan Hahn]

Is that proof?

[Michael K]

Is there something that was leaked out? He's told his staff he did not like that. He should not have been there in that situation, boozing it up.

[Alan Hahn]

I think. I think politics aside, Trump agree with you. Well, Trump's not the kind of guy who would like to see someone acting in a way that's like childish, you know what I'm saying? Like, you're a 50 year old man and you're like chugging beers. That's not Trump's way. I've never seen you. I've seen Trump in a lot of situations. I've never seen him, like, fist pumping and celebrating with booze.

[Michael K]

He doesn't even drink. I believe it's President Trump. Sounds all last.

[Alan Hahn]

What did I say? Trump?

[Michael K]

No, it's President Trump. I think sometimes with President Trump, baby. Would you say Obama? No, you say President Obama.

[Don Hahn]

Definitely said Obama.

[Michael K]

Would you say Bush? I'm definitely President.

[Rosenberg]

Well, it depends on what we're talking about now.

[Alan Hahn]

I see he see. But that's why he's the great. Because you didn't know when he started. You thought the rib was just on me for saying Trump. He had a plan.

[Rosenberg]

He knew he was going to get to Bush.

[Don Hahn]

He was going to get to Bush.

[Rich Eisen]

He's always.

[Alan Hahn]

That's always the plan.

[Don Hahn]

I think that's always the plan. Michael finds a way.

[Alan Hahn]

I just want to talk about Nolan Richardson, Razorbacks.

[Michael K]

Would you say Clinton? No.

[Alan Hahn]

You took president every time.

[Rosenberg]

As the great Greg Buttle used to say, if you're not. If you're not thinking about President Bush, then your mind's wandering.

[Alan Hahn]

That's exactly right. So you found a way there, Michael. Good job.

[Michael K]

Thank you. My work is done.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you got to go on a high.

[Rosenberg]

We have a show to do.

[Don Hahn]

That was a good bullpen session.

[Michael K]

I heard the beginning of your show yesterday.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael K]

About, you know, weather. So I think this. This is somewhat preferable.

[Don Hahn]

You know, I kind of felt like

[Rosenberg]

the weather program director. We're fine.

[Michael K]

Well, we don't really have one. He' in Disney.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael K]

He's a rumor.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. If he were to disappear, if the

[Michael K]

first place you look is not damn family or Mickey. He take Mickey?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a great question for Dwayne.

[Don Hahn]

Have you ever had more guilt of taking vacation from somebody who takes nothing but vacation?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he takes the big vacation, though, like, constant.

[Michael K]

Like, he gives you guilt when you take days off.

[Don Hahn]

You know, anytime. It's like, you know, I need to.

[Rosenberg]

It's not easy. He'll give it to you.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I hate to do this. I hate to do this.

[Don Hahn]

Don't.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm pushing back. I think John has been the most accommodating of all the program directors for you. Well, you're. But you guys, respectfully, the two of you are gone a lot. Otherwise, I. I'm either gone or I'm here. You guys have the, you know, the sports stuff. So maybe it gets more complicated with me when I say, hey, I'M planning this time. He goes, hey, as long as you have the days. See you later. I'll see you when you get back. I'm just telling you how he's been with me.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, well, he'll give it to you.

[Alan Hahn]

He makes you feel bad.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, guilty.

[Michael K]

I don't get that from him.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I really.

[Alan Hahn]

I would say I have other people that I'd put ahead of him in the guilt department.

[Don Hahn]

I think you're right. We now know the hierarchy at the station. We've always.

[Rosenberg]

What it is, is that you and I are the people that would be affected by him doing that. These guys are black hearts. They don't care.

[Michael K]

They're being affected by him doing it.

[Rosenberg]

If John laid a guilt trip on me and Alan, there's the possibility we might take it back.

[Michael K]

No, I wouldn't care.

[Rosenberg]

You're gonna ignore it? Peter's gonna ignore it. Why? About. They know it's not going to work.

[Michael K]

I can take out my contract.

[Alan Hahn]

It's our crypto.

[Rosenberg]

I know, but it's our plan.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, right, right.

[Michael K]

See that signature? Bob Iger, Michael Kennedy here.

[Don Hahn]

We feel like we're letting the company down, and if we want to be good soldiers.

[Michael K]

I think that last year, if you want to really push back, I had fewer vacation days than any of you.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, certainly.

[Rosenberg]

Well, certainly him, when he was on that ridiculous paternity.

[Alan Hahn]

I know he was brushing, pretending to be a father.

[Rosenberg]

Well, what is.

[Alan Hahn]

What is father, Mother of Jason? Listen, I'm telling you, when he ever

[Don Hahn]

come back from paternity, leave with a tan, because I don't.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, we may. We may have a second child. Just for the second paternity,

[Don Hahn]

the stunt.

[Michael K]

I said to Jody, I said, let's just have another kid. I said, I get all this time off and get paid. She said, what? I said, yeah. Peter's constantly off. She goes, I don't know. I can do it. I said, come on.

[Don Hahn]

Come on.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, did she couldn't have a kid or couldn't spend that much time with you?

[Michael K]

Both.

[Alan Hahn]

Both are challenging.

[Don Hahn]

We don't have to be together.

[Michael K]

No. She's in her 60s.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Why are you saying not to me?

[Michael K]

She doesn't care. Okay, well, it's a secret. Just Google her.

[Rosenberg]

I know, but at least make the audience, they make an effort.

[Michael K]

She's 61. She'll be 62 May 2nd.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

Interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow. Putting it all on the table.

[Don Hahn]

Looks great, by the way.

[Michael K]

She does look terrific. Yeah. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You do, too.

[Michael K]

No, I don't. No, I don't. You know I'm watching the NBC throwback, right?

[Alan Hahn]

On Tuesday? Yeah, yeah, we had Costas on. He was great.

[Michael K]

I know. I heard 30 point game before me, and I was going to call him. I said, I'm not going to play this game. I was going to call him to get him on, but I said, peter said it. So he gets.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you.

[Michael K]

But I watched Isaiah Thomas. I'm telling you, there's a picture of Dorian Gray in his garage. The guy has not aged since he played some.

[Alan Hahn]

Richard said the same thing.

[Michael K]

He does not have a wrinkle.

[Don Hahn]

And other people thought the opposite.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought he looked weird. I thought he looked like something was going on. And then I read that something may be going on.

[Don Hahn]

He's very thin. Like, he's still.

[Alan Hahn]

His face was so puffy. Like, I thought there was like.

[Michael K]

Well, you know what? I'm gonna go back to the puffy face because, well, you can. It's called spreads out. It spreads out the wrinkles.

[Alan Hahn]

So you thought he looked fantastic?

[Michael K]

I thought he looked unbelievable.

[Don Hahn]

What, like a balloon?

[Michael K]

Yeah. I'm telling you, I have fewer wrinkles when I'm heavy than when I lose weight. Oh, that's face cage gin.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, that's a fact.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a fact.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

People are too skinny.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you just get some product, you'll be fine.

[Michael K]

Product? What kind of product?

[Don Hahn]

Like. Like skin care. It'll go away.

[Michael K]

Take away the wrinkles here.

[Don Hahn]

It does.

[Michael K]

No, it doesn't take it away.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it helps it up, reduces. Hold on.

[Alan Hahn]

Let me ask you an honest question. Seriously. Do you put. What? Do you put any product on your face?

[Michael K]

Nothing. Not even soap.

[Alan Hahn]

So nothing.

[Don Hahn]

Just makeup. I mean, come on.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So you don't put moisturizer ever? Why, you think Alan Hahn got this handsome by accident?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael K]

I think that's DNA loss.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but you got.

[Alan Hahn]

But you don't. You don't. You throw moisturizer on, I'm guessing. No, of course, you'd have to, face.

[Michael K]

Except I'm in the shower, the water comes down on. I think I don't get it.

[Alan Hahn]

But then you dry.

[Don Hahn]

No, I'm calling it right now.

[Rosenberg]

This.

[Don Hahn]

This is an absolute act. I'm looking at your skin right now. I'm looking at your face right now. There's zero chance you do. Don't do anything.

[Alan Hahn]

Zero.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Michael K]

So I shave, right? And then I use, you know, the pinot stuff that you get in the oldtime barbers. I splash that on his aftershave.

[Rich Eisen]

That's it.

[Don Hahn]

Like. Like Home Alone.

[Michael K]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Use the old timey

[Don Hahn]

and you do

[Alan Hahn]

the Macaulay face every. No moisturizer.

[Don Hahn]

Well, then that works. Or. And also just this. Thank your parents because you do have great skin. Look. Look at the wrinkles. I'm looking at you. You're right. You're closer to me than them.

[Michael K]

I have wrinkles. It's disgusting. Well, you're.

[Alan Hahn]

First of all, you're 75 years old for God.

[Michael K]

The least forgiving world, the least forgiving mirror is. Is the rear view mirror in the car. When you look and you look at you.

[Don Hahn]

Why would you look at yourself in that?

[Michael K]

I don't know. Because it's got a big head. It's there, you know, doesn't have wrinkles. Jody. Because she's never taken sun in her life. Ever.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, she doesn't like the sun. That's crazy.

[Don Hahn]

She wears a Burke big hat whenever we go to the pool. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So when you goes. Go on vacation.

[Rosenberg]

Covers her face every time.

[Michael K]

Every time.

[Alan Hahn]

Lotion and a hat, like everything.

[Michael K]

She'll put like 70 sunscreen when she's driving because she heard that sun coming through the windows.

[Rosenberg]

Magnifying.

[Michael K]

Bad for you.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, guess what?

[Don Hahn]

It works. Hey, good for her, right?

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You look at the four box there on YouTube. I'm by far the oldest looking guy. That is.

[Alan Hahn]

That is true.

[Don Hahn]

Well, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You think so?

[Michael K]

Yeah. Well, what else could it be?

[Rosenberg]

I can't just all of a sudden come to work with my hair and beard dyed.

[Alan Hahn]

That would look great.

[Michael K]

You missed the turn. You can't go back now.

[Rosenberg]

Right?

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You had a moment. The moment's great.

[Michael K]

I've said that to Briny Green. Missed the turn.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael K]

Once you go all gray, it's over. You got to keep faking it.

[Alan Hahn]

You got.

[Rich Eisen]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Once you. That's a great point.

[Rosenberg]

Because a lot of my TV opportunities came after Alan.

[Alan Hahn]

You're going to have a decision at some point.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I know.

[Alan Hahn]

He's thinking. I see him getting pensive.

[Don Hahn]

I haven't put anything in my hair.

[Alan Hahn]

This is natural. Salt and pepper.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I haven't touched. Can I give you a year?

[Michael K]

Don't let it go all gray. It will make you look older. Just put just for gray in there. It'll stay just for a little bit. Just for matter. No, A touch of gray.

[Don Hahn]

Just a touch of gray.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Yeah, because that's. Because I'm. I'm at that place. But the problem is, is I. I ran into this spot where it was like. Is it over at, you know, Hudson where the new Disney is? It Became like a debate in the makeup and hair room whether you should let it go. Let it go, let it go. It'll look good.

[Michael K]

Oh, they were just. That was frozen stuff you heard in the background.

[Alan Hahn]

No, and that's also because women. That's what.

[Don Hahn]

That was weird, because they were dancing too.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

They kept saying, no, you gotta. It's gonna look really good. And now I'm like, well, it's been a year since I've done it. If I do anything now, it's gonna be so obvious.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, Don said, no, you're still fine.

[Don Hahn]

You could still think I still get away with it.

[Michael K]

Yeah, but once you go, don't go bad.

[Don Hahn]

Wrong.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

All of a sudden, just show up and I got like jet black hair. But I think you look passing the other day. But like. So when I was in Pittsburgh doing the Penguin game, like Sidney Crosby was a scratch. He was up by us in the booth.

[Michael K]

Name drop.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Salt and pepper hair.

[Don Hahn]

Really? Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Sid the kid.

[Don Hahn]

40, though, right?

[Alan Hahn]

That's early salt.

[Rosenberg]

He's 40, yet 87. Born in 87. So what is that? He's right there. He's 39 years old, but still. But just. You're always going to think of him as Sid the Kid, not somebody with, you know, salt and pepper hair who.

[Michael K]

Jet black hair for the longest time was o'. Neill. And I thought that he was secretly. And then the next year he showed up and it was all gray.

[Don Hahn]

So then he was.

[Michael K]

He was jet black till he was like 60.

[Don Hahn]

So he was coloring.

[Rosenberg]

No, he was.

[Michael K]

He wasn't.

[Rosenberg]

It's just overnight you get a scare or something.

[Michael K]

Looking in the. You know, when we get ready to do the opening. Look how gray I'm getting. So it just happened.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

Well, now you got me. And that's the warrior now himself.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll be to you and me.

[Don Hahn]

I'm going right. I'm going right to get.

[Michael K]

Here's what you should do. Here's the way.

[Don Hahn]

It's a touch of gray. Not just for men. Because touch of gray leaves the gray. Yes, a little bit.

[Michael K]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Because I'm told it's. It's. It's.

[Michael K]

You could go the Rosenberg.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think that's the look.

[Michael K]

Shave. Shave your head and then start dying it when it's growing back. Don't forget.

[Rosenberg]

Now, that's interesting.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, I thought you meant do that. Because I have. I have said this. When I retire, first thing I'm doing.

[Michael K]

No way.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, just straight one down.

[Rosenberg]

Why?

[Don Hahn]

Nothing. Because it's just.

[Michael K]

But you have hair.

[Don Hahn]

I'm good. Tapping out dope.

[Michael K]

Anybody that's bald is bald for a reason.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Michael K]

You would not have a reason.

[Don Hahn]

I wouldn't shave to clean. I'm just saying. I would just probably buzz.

[Alan Hahn]

But that's what I am. I don't shave all the way clean. I don't pick it. I'm like a one.

[Don Hahn]

That's a one. This is about a one, then a two.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like a Caesar. Like. Like a really short time.

[Michael K]

We had a bet that he'd have to grow his hair like Gallagher. He always didn't lose. This year. It's the worst year I've ever seen. My pitch dressed up as a clown.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Are we doing the Calandras? Calandras was the conversation.

[Don Hahn]

Was the conversation.

[Michael K]

Showing up. If he's gonna be as a clown,

[Rosenberg]

I. I think we should save it for the beach bash. All day long as a clown.

[Michael K]

In the heat, makeup, running.

[Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know everybody there. Yeah.

[Michael K]

I may.

[Alan Hahn]

I may push back on this.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you could, but.

[Don Hahn]

You could. But you'd lose.

[Rosenberg]

I know, but just lose.

[Michael K]

You lost in the most depressing. I've never seen a guy have a worse year.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it never got going.

[Michael K]

It was unbel. Unbelievable how pathetic it was.

[Don Hahn]

It was almost like you were tanking.

[Michael K]

But there's no. Ran away with it.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, I did.

[Rosenberg]

It's very easy for him.

[Michael K]

But you were just. It's some bad.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't even the playoffs. I found myself again, but it's too late.

[Michael K]

Found yourself. Where were you?

[Alan Hahn]

In the toilet. But I don't know if I'm doing the Beach Bash. I don't know if I want to be in. Oh, you may not have a choice. Well, I mean, I'm a human being with rights.

[Michael K]

No, Don. Don. Such a beach basket.

[Alan Hahn]

But which one was that?

[Michael K]

He said harder. Harder.

[Rosenberg]

No, no. So, yeah. That's two of them.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You did two at the Beach Bash.

[Michael K]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

What did Don say again?

[Michael K]

Harder.

[Rosenberg]

Well, because nobody wants to do anything. Oh, dunk tank. So, like, put mayonnaise in there or something. Make it. Make it a harsh punishment.

[Michael K]

But these guys want like electrodes on his.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, he always wants more.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Michael K]

Yeah, right. You know what? I didn't know listening to enn. I didn't know there was a southern island. I like southern.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't know about it until about a month ago.

[Don Hahn]

You know what? Here's the weird thing. I never knew about it.

[Michael K]

It's delightful.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know how long it's Been going on. But you're great. If he was that bad and you

[Michael K]

never had to say, I mean, this opens up a whole portal for him. He could do, you know, nascar.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael K]

Just be that guy.

[Don Hahn]

I would do. Yeah.

[Michael K]

NASCAR would be funny now that Michael Jordan's in it.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. What does that mean?

[Michael K]

Well, you've got that connection, you know,

[Rosenberg]

his driver has won the first three races.

[Don Hahn]

But whatever happened before, what did I tell you, right? Oh, basketball guy. Oh, you can do that now because Michael's there now. You have a place.

[Rosenberg]

You see, he said, well, he's bastard hockey guy.

[Don Hahn]

We don't. We can't talk anything else. It's all you're known. You get all you're known for.

[Rosenberg]

What do you mean the get up doesn't want me on first take.

[Michael K]

Doesn't want me on ever.

[Rosenberg]

Well, not because.

[Michael K]

Ever.

[Rosenberg]

Not because they don't want you on first take.

[Michael K]

One time. And I said to what's the team that's going to win the championship? First I said, the Rangers. And then Stephen said, I mean a real sport. And then he got in trouble. I was never on again.

[Alan Hahn]

That is so funny. I forgot that.

[Rosenberg]

How is that your fault?

[Don Hahn]

Because he shouldn't have set him up like that.

[Michael K]

And let me tell you what, the people I have on with the funny hats, I'd be better than all of them. All of them.

[Rosenberg]

Leave me Cam Newton.

[Michael K]

I didn't want to say a name.

[Rosenberg]

He's wearing the hat for a reason. He wants to be recognized as the nozzle. Well, you should try a different hat.

[Don Hahn]

Well, maybe as a media company ourselves, we should just decide to say, you know what we're going to do is we're going to make our own first. Well, maybe New York Sports.

[Michael K]

How is it possible that Greenberg doesn't ask me?

[Rosenberg]

To be honest, I don't know.

[Michael K]

It's unbelievable. I'm so undervalued in this company.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe they think you're too big time for it.

[Don Hahn]

Or maybe they just don't really talk a lot of baseball.

[Alan Hahn]

Or maybe they're not a fan.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, baseball is the new hobby.

[Don Hahn]

Really don't talk about.

[Michael K]

Well, they still have baseball.

[Alan Hahn]

No, Sunday.

[Michael K]

What?

[Don Hahn]

It's football.

[Rosenberg]

Football.

[Don Hahn]

And then more football.

[Michael K]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

And then a little bit NBA and then more football.

[Michael K]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Well, listen, your backs to the clock. Even the great Michael K. We still have to break.

[Don Hahn]

Break.

[Rosenberg]

Thank you for this.

[Michael K]

That's all right.

[Rosenberg]

It's more than three minutes if you want to hang.

[Alan Hahn]

Sending you on your way. Unreal.

[Rosenberg]

We'd like to get the sports.

[Michael K]

Maybe we can talk in sports about Huggies.

[Rosenberg]

I know, but this was not our open. Now we had to shelve our open.

[Michael K]

What was the open gonna be?

[Rosenberg]

The Knicks Thunder.

[Michael K]

How was my open?

[Alan Hahn]

Well that was our open too.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

So we opened two hours.

[Rosenberg]

Well, we still have three hours.

[Michael K]

Second segment that they. What was that going to be?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, the second segment. We were hoping he carried a 4:30 for the that guy Thursday.

[Michael K]

I'm telling you.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, and then that guy Thursday carried enn.

[Michael K]

Maybe I could be that guy and

[Alan Hahn]

that guy Thursday he just shows up and rambles.

[Rosenberg]

Hang around. Maybe Michael will be here when we get back.

[Rich Eisen]

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[Rosenberg]

Great game last night between the Knicks and the Thunder. Good back and forth. I know people are complaining about the officiating. Rightly so. Knicks got their looks. I mean, that was a fun game to watch that lived up to the expectations of just being a basketball fan and just watching two really good teams go at it. And that was a fun game.

[Don Hahn]

Phenomenal in the building. Like it was just, it really. It had a presence, it had a moment kind of feel right. Remember we were complaining about the fact that these two teams are coming off back to backs and they all both coming in off the road and will we get the best of them? All it took was the officials to not call the charge on sga. That would have been his third foul. That would have had a major impact. And remember, SGA comes into the game already with his reputation preceding him as somebody that gets a lot of calls. And this was a situation where they didn't make the call. And it was, it seemed very obvious. And so because of that moment and Mike Brown, who never gets a text, he never argues with officials, lost his mind on the side. I've never seen him like that, running up to the official, yelling in his face, flipping out. They're pulling him back. Fat Joe got up. Fat Joe got up. He was like, it took him a second. But once he got up, he's like, I gotta have a talk with this. Like, even he was mad. Everybody was losing it. And it got the crowd from being the typical, oh, this is defending champs. This is a Western conversation. We only see him once a year. Let's sit back and enjoy some basketball and see what this is about to oh, we hate them now.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And the Thunder became the hated, the hunted. And at first, the game in the first half was sloppy, frustrating, whatever it is. The knicks only scored 40 points. They come out of the half, they scored 40 in the third quarter.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

That's the best, that's the best defense in the NBA. And they were killing it, shredding it. And it was, it started to have this big game feeling as if the Knicks were trying to say Enough of what the narrative is about us. We're going to prove something here. And they were going toe to toe, and they had the lead at the end of the third. They were 190 going into the fourth quarter of the season with Elite. So there was a big time feel of, you know what, they're going to pull this thing off. They're going to do this. Then, of course, you know, like, as a great team would, as Shea would. There were some plays that went back and forth. Knicks got cold again from three. That was their biggest struggle. And then Mark Dagnal, the coach of the Thunder, had. He kept his challenges in his pocket, and he used them twice in the last six minutes. And, man, both of them felt like gut punches. But still, great play call. Six seconds to go. Out of a time, out of a side out. Brunson gets open for a corner three. You're thinking we're going overtime. And from what I heard, Shea wasn't going to play in overtime because they're still controlling his minutes.

[Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow. Which, by the way, would be.

[Don Hahn]

He missed because he did that in Detroit a couple of days earlier. So Brunson misses because he was off all night, and Anobi has a chance. He misses, and that's the game. But there was a, There was a sense of. And I heard it. There was a. Not a cheer, but there was an actual applause from the crowd, from the game ended. There was frustration, disappointment. And then there was. I heard applause. The sense of that was a good show. And all I kept thinking was, I'll take seven of the, I'll take seven of these in June. Because they were going at it. This was an absolute brawl, and both sides were missing pieces. Still. There was no Robinson. He would have definitely helped. They were missing Jalen Williams. But there was just something about that game that you walked away just going like, the Knicks are starting to lately show you something different that we haven't seen all season. And that is they get after it defensively, even when their offense isn't clicking.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So I, I, I walked away. And a lot of people walked away feeling good about them, despite the fact that they lost this game.

[Rosenberg]

But I love everything that you're saying, and that's what I took from the game, and that's what everybody should take for the game. But the thing I take exception to is everybody's opinion, even on this air, of, well, the Knicks really proved last night they could play with the Thunder. They haven't proven that already to you. They almost beamed at OKC last Year now. They got killed at the Garden. Yeah, but you called that game at OKC last year. They didn't beat him yesterday.

[Don Hahn]

You know what? It's funny you say it. That game was a. I said the same thing after that game. I said on the air to Mike Brain. Mike Brain. I said, you know, this could be a fun finals. And even that game, though, didn't compare to this one. Because in that game, the Knicks ran out of gas in the fourth quarter because they were. But they were always being just driven hard. This game felt like it was winnable. They just were off with their shooting, but their defense was good enough to win.

[Rosenberg]

But the frustrating thing to me is that, and it was the theme of the show yesterday, and rightly so, that we keep getting told these games don't matter. Mike Brown, who's rip roaring mad about the officiating, and rightly so, before the game's telling you, we win, we lose, it doesn't matter. It's a regular season game. So which is it? Like, you can't pick and choose. Like, so you almost beat them and probably should have beaten them. So now the game matters. But if the Knicks are lost by 20 points, what would the fans say? Well, they're probably not showing them anything. It's a regular. They played the night before because that's what we hear every time they get crushed by the Pistons is, don't read into that, Don. They play in vanilla defense. They're not really showing their hand because they're saving it for the postseason. I'm just tired of these games getting used for whatever you want it to be. Is it reality or not? Does it matter or does it not matter? What's the answer? Because before the game you set it up, say, that doesn't matter. So if you get killed, you get excuses, but then all of a sudden you almost beat them, and now I'm supposed to care, and now it all of a sudden mattered. That's not the way it works in life. Does it matter or does it not matter?

[Don Hahn]

What do you want? You want to show.

[Rosenberg]

That's what you want. That's two great teams.

[Don Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Rosenberg]

That's a different conversation.

[Don Hahn]

And that was a show.

[Rosenberg]

And you. That's why I did not attack you on your open. That's the way it should have opened. Hey, that was a fun 2 hours and 30 minutes. That was a fun basketball game. It's against.

[Don Hahn]

Second half was terrific.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, the Knicks proved they could play with the Thunder. No, they didn't.

[Michael K]

What?

[Rosenberg]

So the Pacers proved they could play against the Thunder last year with the seven games with them still didn't win. That doesn't mean that's going to happen in the postseason. And heck, unless you figure out this Pistons thing, you're never going to get to the Thunder.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the conversation, you know.

[Rosenberg]

So all I'm saying is is that that's the frustrating thing to me. In every other sport I watch a game and it has meaning. But in the NBA, we're constantly told it doesn't matter and then all of a sudden the game is good and then it matters. What? Which one is it? Because I wanted it to matter yesterday. That's what I bitched about yesterday. Why can't this game matter? And I'm a coach and by players and load management and the NBA scheduling both of these great teams to play on the second to back to backs that it doesn't matter. And all of a sudden we get a great game and now it matters.

[Alan Hahn]

I hear what you're saying. I just don't know who to be mad at. Because the players all showed up and played last night.

[Michael K]

That's what happened.

[Alan Hahn]

We stumbled into a great game. There was a world. Let's talk about that. But it was a great game.

[Rosenberg]

Don't make it into anything bigger. You know what we learned about if these two teams face each other in the foul zero, nada, nothing. The Thunder can sweep them in four. They can win the series.

[Don Hahn]

I don't take that out of the. I never take that stuff out of. I don't go see this proof. Just like the Detroit. That's why you say with the Detroit thing. I don't know. That doesn't prove anything. It proves it during the regular season. First of all, they were out for blood the first game they were out for blood and the Knicks weren't ready for it and they got smoked. Second time around, it was kind of the same thing. It was almost like, all right, you got it out of your system. And then like in the second quarter it was like, why are you guys still so mad? They were pissed off. Like, that's how the Pistons played against the Knicks. And then the third time it just, you know, like the same story. It's like, there, that was a better game. But Cade was unreal and they really couldn't stop him. So those games just show you that the Pistons are a different team than you faced last year.

[Michael K]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

This idea that you'll never beat him in a playoff series, I say is not true because the playoffs are a different animal and a Veteran team like the Knicks know that. So I am not somebody that takes this game. Last night goes, oh, this tells me the Knicks can, can go toe to toe. What it tells me is these two teams when they play each other, like

[Rosenberg]

they have some good, like, this could

[Don Hahn]

be a fun finals. And that's all I'm thinking is, can you get there? Because I just saw them beat the Spurs. I've seen him beat the spurs twice. And I've said, those will be good because those spurs games, Nick, spurs, those games have been good games, too. So when you're thinking about can they get to the finals, you're thinking about who they can play, right? Well, they took Denver to overtime. They're going to see Denver on Friday night, by the way. They took Denver to overtime. A team that everybody thinks could make the finals. Okc, they just had a bloodbath with. They have had great games, entertaining games with the Spurs. This tells me that these could be fun finals. And all that's left in my head is, can they get there? Because if they can, I don't look at these, these teams that they meet in the finals and think they have no shot.

[Rosenberg]

I just don't. And we'll take your calls on this at 1-800-919-3776. Is the whole. I just pick and choose. Oh, I'm not upset they got crushed by the Pistons because they didn't care.

[Don Hahn]

You have to be.

[Rosenberg]

They mean more for the Pistons than they do for the Knicks. And then all of a sudden, yesterday. Oh, no. All of a sudden it matters. Well, if you got crushed by 20, would it have mattered? Or would you have said no because, you know, Mitchell Robinson didn't play and we were in Toronto the night before. Yeah, I just, I'm a sports talk show host. I want to take them as they come. I want to have big games. I want to have fun moments. I don't want there to be an excuse every time your team loses and then every time your team wins, it's, oh, my God, we're going to win the championship. That's just so frustrating about basketball right now because in any other sport, if the Yankees play the Blue Jays in a series, it's not going to be, well, you caught us in a, you know, we hadn't had a day off in 18 days. We didn't have our best pitcher. It would be like red hot. You lost two out of three to Toronto.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, guess what? It mattered last year when the Blue Jays were kicking the Yankees ass all

[Don Hahn]

throughout the regular season.

[Rosenberg]

You know how I know it mattered? Because the same thing happened in the postseason.

[Don Hahn]

Mm.

[Rosenberg]

So that's what I want. I want to sit here and talk about two teams playing the way Allen brought it up. Not all of a sudden making something out of nothing or making nothing out of something, depending on whatever your narrative wants to be in that given moment.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Hello, Rob.

[Caller Rob]

He's mean.

[Don Hahn]

There he is.

[Caller Rob]

You know, they mean something and what it means to me is I get a glimpse of what the Knicks ceiling is. They've lacked toughness, or the gripe about them over the last couple of months was they've lacked toughness and now they're showing that they can play tough against the best in the league. Even if the Detroit game shows their floor, which isn't that great. I like seeing their ceiling against San Antonio and against Oklahoma City and playing tough until the end of a close game.

[Rosenberg]

I'd like to hear your thoughts. No, I love that too. And that's something to take from it. My whole contention, Rob, that bothers me is that when you got beat by the Pistons, we're getting phone calls from people saying, I'm not worried, it's just regular season. Doesn't matter. Now. Mike Brown made the comments about, hey, it's the regular season, we can win, we can lose. At the end of the day, it's just the regular season. He might have been strategic in saying that just to set up what if they did lose by 20? Hey, don't freak out. It's only a regular season game. But I just don't think you have. You can really pick and choose. All right, this was a big game, but the Games against Detroit weren't big.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right.

[Rosenberg]

The game against the Cavs wasn't that big, Peter, because they had beaten the Cavs already. They've got the tiebreaker, so they were okay to mail it in.

[Alan Hahn]

That's where I think you have a kick coming is when talking about Mike Brown. That to me, I mean, not wanting to have a coach who's kind of willing to move the bar. I think that's fair. But I understand as fans how on one day you might be able to say, hey, I don't read that much from this game, but I read a lot from this one. The problem though, with the Knicks is if you make the standard for how you choose to read into it the availability of Mitchell Robinson, that is stupid because he's going to be unavailable for playoff games as well.

[Don Hahn]

No, he won't. He'll play every playoff game. Let's see, there's no back to backs. He only doesn't play back. He's always going to be available for that. As long as he's.

[Alan Hahn]

As long as he's healthy.

[Don Hahn]

As long as he's healthy. Well, that's everybody, as long as they're healthy.

[Alan Hahn]

But has he had a year, though, where he's been. Been fully healthy?

[Don Hahn]

He played last year, every playoff game,

[Alan Hahn]

but he wasn't fully healthy during the regular season. He missed like 17.

[Don Hahn]

He only played 17 games.

[Alan Hahn]

He showed up for the end.

[Don Hahn]

He was hurt throughout most of the season, yes, but. But I think every game has to have some sort of takeaway. So to. To. I thought it was wrong to dismiss all the Piston stuff because a. It's a mental thing now. You got that hanging over your head and the only thing you bring up is, well, last year they had the Celtic Cavs thing hanging over their head and they took care of the Celtics.

[Rosenberg]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

They were able to overcome that, which

[Rosenberg]

to me is the exception, not the rule.

[Don Hahn]

So that's probably part of the reason why you can't dismiss these games. You can't come up with reasons because confidence comes from demonstrated performance and you're giving Detroit confidence. And that's what you don't want to do. You wanted to at least make sure they understood, said that yes, we beat you and yes, we're still your daddies. But they didn't. They got smoked in those games in Detroit and that changed now the momentum when it comes to this, this matchup. So you can't dismiss those games like you can't dismiss what they did against the Cavs this season already. What they've done against the Celtics this season, what they've done against the spurs, what they have done now even. Because even in a loss against the Thunder, what they've done against Denver. These are all things that you have to now say. All right. All of this includes. And last year. I'm sorry, Diane, one more thing. They were 10 and 20 against top six teams last year. 10 and 20.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

This year they're 16 and 10 with still obviously more to play. They're already better than they were last year, playing better teams. But also that's also something you need to make promise.

[Michael K]

But also.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, but they are a good team. They're the final four. Last year they're the favorites or there were the favorites because we got to talk about the Celtics now and oh yeah, Tatum possibly playing tomorrow and now how that they've moved up the ladder as far as favorites are concerned.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

But at least going into the season, the favorites. So you know, you're not the little engine that could anymore. You're not the underdog. You're not surprised anybody you were in the conversation. So I expect you to have a good record against good teams, but don't just strategically or conveniently, I should say, throw the Pistons games away. You can't cherry pick because you never can. You're not going to play the Thunder if you can't figure out the Pistons.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Are you going to be out or somebody else knocks them out for you, which is why you avoid. That's why you don't finish fourth.

[Rosenberg]

Right. Exactly.

[Don Hahn]

You know what I mean? Like, you got to have that stuff in mind, too. That's why all part of the strategy

[Rosenberg]

and they shouldn't and the way they're playing now and it looks like they're going to survive the gauntlet is they're not going to finish in fourth. It looks like they're going to fit. They're going to be able to finish out of fourth and. And distance themselves from. From Cleveland and certainly Toronto. Now the Boston thing becomes very interesting because if Tatum's healthy, that might be tough for them to get the two. But they still can avoid having to play the Pistons in the second round.

[Don Hahn]

Help me out with the gauntlet now. Are they. Is it five and two?

[Rosenberg]

You know. Well, they're two and one in the. In. In the with because there's only two left 10 games.

[Don Hahn]

So. Right.

[Rosenberg]

Eight.

[Don Hahn]

Right. So. Oh, so it should be five and five and three because those are three

[Rosenberg]

losses were against Cleveland. Right.

[Don Hahn]

Cleveland and then Oklahoma City

[Alan Hahn]

6 and 1.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Rosenberg]

So they're going to. If they split against Denver and LA, they'll be 6 and 4.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Which is what we said we were accepting.

[Rosenberg]

They can win both.

[Alan Hahn]

They could win both and they could lose both.

[Rosenberg]

Now both those Lakers, they shouldn't lose.

[Don Hahn]

Lakers are weird and Denver is not been playing well.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. So it's, it's all when you catch them but the gauntlet. We had Monica on last week saying 5 and 5 or whenever the gauntlet started.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And now I think you'd be very disappointed if they go 5 and 5 because then that would be. They close it out on a three game losing streak.

[Don Hahn]

Denver plays tonight so they'll be in a back to back.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

So the Knicks play Denver Friday. Denver plays tonight at home but they play the Lakers tonight.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

And again that means more to them because it's conference and they're both battling now four and five. So the Knicks are getting a break, a rare break where they are the rested team taking on the team that played the night before.

[Rosenberg]

Let's go to. Yeah, it is David in Delaware. You're on ESPN New York. What's up David?

[Don Hahn]

Hey.

[Caller Rob]

Hey guys, how you doing? Thanks for taking my call. I understand what you're saying. Don't you know should they count? Should these games count? Do they like what, what does it mean when the coach says oh, we don't take these, it's just another game. I think he has to say that for the team psyche. And so I don't really get into that. I just watch the game as it plays out and from night to night it just depends. Yes they'll give more effort this night or yes they'll slack off another night. And I really don't think it depends where with the team. And I like I was telling producer who screamed me, I think when we start to talk about Detroit and you know us battling Detroit, yes, in the. Fine in the playoffs. That's great. But I don't want us to overlook Boston. Like you just mentioned Tatum coming back and they are a weld oil championship team and I know Pete is excited about. I'm curious to get his thoughts. I think we need to pay attention because they are in the second seed right now without Tatum. We need to pay attention because we could potentially play them first in the, in the second round before even getting to Detroit. Thanks guys.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know what, I don't know what Vegas is going to say.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I'm going to have that coming.

[Don Hahn]

We already know, we already know what Vegas is saying.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, so you're going to tell me what Vegas is going to say, but I'm going to tell you what I'm going to say. I think Tatum comes back and assuming I'm going to give him that within a couple of weeks, he looks like himself, right? Because if somehow he's not right, then obviously we can't call it. If Tatum in a week or two is playing like Tatum. He's questionable already now. So he's coming. He's coming back. They're the favorite. They're the favorite in the East. Sorry Detroit. It's been nice but like this is a team that when we know what their DNA is, when they're capable well.

[Don Hahn]

So there's a lot to pick off that there's a lot of things. There's a lot of, there's a lot to peel from that on you. When it comes to the Celtics, I agree with you. They immediately become the favorite.

[Alan Hahn]

They do though.

[Don Hahn]

I agree with that.

[Alan Hahn]

Between the coach the play they've already been getting from Brown, but they're not as deep as they once were.

[Don Hahn]

If you wanted to put money on them, I have a buyer. Beware.

[Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

And you got the numbers.

[Don Hahn]

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