Hour 1: Mock Madness

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – "Hour 1: Mock Madness"

ESPN New York – November 19, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" dives into the follies, frustrations, and forecasts of New York sports fandom, with a hefty emphasis on the New York Jets' future and the pitfalls of NFL draft desperation. The trio – Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg – deliver their signature blend of sharp sports analysis, wit, and behind-the-scenes banter as they dissect mock drafts, question team management strategies, debate coaching philosophies, and riff on everything from quarter-zips to the cultural impact of Miami Vice. Caller interactions punctuate the hour, bringing authentic New York fan perspectives to bear.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Alan's Morning in Florida

• [01:19] Alan shares that he managed to enjoy the pool in Florida before Devils practice—describing his makeshift balcony studio with an ocean view for the day’s show.
• “Our time of arrival in the pool is a little bit before 10:00am...wanted to take advantage.” – Alan
• Light banter about remote broadcasting, Florida weather, and packing technology for road games.

2. Mock Draft Madness and Jets Meltdown

A. Matt Miller’s Mock Draft & Jets Critique

• [04:33] Don vents about a too-early mock draft suggesting the Jets should trade a trove of picks to move up for a quarterback not even considered elite.
• Don labels this strategy “what bad franchises do,” and rails against the idea of mortgaging the future out of desperation rather than conviction.
• “You don’t have to do that in this draft, with these draft picks, you don’t have to do that. But what he’s suggesting is they have to do it because that’s what bad, desperate franchises do that are more worried about perception.” – Don [06:20]
• Alan brings in an analogy about desperate marriage choices, emphasizing bad decision-making under pressure:
  “I gotta get married. It’s 3 o'clock in the morning at the bar... Some last call, somebody come home with me so we can get married. That’s what bad franchises do.” – Alan [07:26]

B. When to Go All-In: The Case for a True Franchise QB

• If Jets GM Muji (Darren Muji) is genuinely sold on a quarterback, Don is OK with using draft capital—but only with true conviction, not just out of positional need.
• Reference to Ernie Accorsi’s careful scouting of Eli Manning; great teams move decisively for the right player, not just “because we need a QB.”
• “You gotta know that’s your guy and you gotta have the stones to go, nope, I’m letting it go. No, I’m not drafting him.” – Don [16:22]

C. Pool and Darts: “Poke and Hope” Approach

• Alan draws an analogy to pool:
  “There’s a saying... If you don’t have a shot, you just wail on the cue ball and hope something goes in. That’s not what you want your general manager doing.” [08:54]
• Emphasis on planning, not randomness, in successful franchises.

D. The Value of Draft Capital

• Don cites advice from Mike Tannenbaum:
  “I would draft the quarterback every year in the draft until you find one, till you get your guy.” – Don [13:31]
• Alan underscores that picks have specific value and should be invested in conviction, not perception.

3. Fan Calls and New York Realities

• [31:46] Several callers weigh in, echoing the hosts’ skepticism on mortgaging the future for an uncertain quarterback, suggesting instead hoarding or leveraging picks for better opportunities.
• “What if they just hold on to their picks, pass them forward to other teams, and build up more capital for the following year?” – Tony, Caller [32:20]

4. Fashion Interlude: The Quarter-Zip Tangent

• [17:47] Spirited debate on the merits and quirks of the quarter-zip sweater, team-branded apparel, and Disney wardrobe choices.
• “You look uncircumcised that way.” – Alan (on zipping up the quarter-zip fully) [18:40]
• John Winthrop, their producer, is ribbed for his extensive Disney and company-issued apparel collection.

5. Pop Culture: Miami Vice & TV Blind Spots

• [26:28] Lively nostalgia about Miami Vice’s influence on TV and music in the ‘80s. Alan confesses he’s never watched it, prompting discussion of how phases of life lead to gaps in pop culture knowledge.
• “Miami Vice was a turning point of television. I mean, it was like a big cultural deal because they started making it feel cinematic instead of just a TV show.” – Caller Danny [34:54]

6. Coaching, Media, and New York Pressure

A. Tyrod Taylor Named Giants QB

• [38:28] Excerpts from Giants coach Aaron Glenn, who tersely justifies his choice:
  “Because I wanted to.”
• Rosenberg and Don riff on the pitfalls of coach-media relations, stressing openness and accountability.
• “Your thing is bigger than all of ours. It’s the biggest one. Show it to the room, drop it on the table...But just answer, man.” – Rosenberg [39:25]

B. Media Relations: Is Openness Important?

• Alan and Don argue that fans do care about injury and personnel updates; transparency not only builds trust, but limits speculation and negative press.
• “None of them are going to have his thoughts... There are people out there that do care. You’re not one of those people. But can’t you understand there are people that do care about what he thinks about his quarterback?” – Alan [49:28]

C. The Unique Beast of New York Sports

• Don reflects on the real, relentless pressure of New York sports media, noting many coaches only realize how tough it is after leaving.

7. Knicks and Miscellaneous Sports News

• [44:31] Discussion of the Knicks-Mavericks matchup, Jalen Brunson’s injury status, and questions about Knicks player development.
• [45:27] Caller wonders about Jalen Brunson’s playing style contributing to injuries.
• Talk on former player T.J. Warren and the Knicks’ bench depth.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “That’s what bad franchises do... I’m against this 100%.” – Don LaGreca [07:23]
• “You gotta have the stones to say, that’s not my guy, that’s not the guy.” – Don [15:39]
• “You look uncircumcised that way.” – Alan Hahn, on quarter-zips [18:40]
• “When I zipped that up, I felt uncircumcised.” – Don LaGreca [18:45]
• “Your thing is bigger than all of ours. It’s the biggest one. Show it to the room, drop it on the table.” – Peter Rosenberg, mocking coach bravado [39:25]
• “I gotta get married. It’s 3 o'clock in the morning at the bar... That’s what bad franchises do.” – Alan Hahn [07:26]
• “Miami Vice was a turning point of television... it was like a big cultural deal because they started making it feel cinematic.” – Caller Danny [34:54]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:19–03:15: Alan’s pool morning and remote setup in Florida
• 04:33–16:49: Jets’ draft strategy, mock draft criticism, franchise-building philosophies
• 17:47–23:07: Quarter-zips, fashion, John’s Disney apparel
• 26:28–31:42: Miami Vice/80s TV nostalgia and callers’ takes on sports-cultural gaps
• 31:46–36:02: Fan calls about Jets’ picks, Newsday’s sports call list
• 38:28–41:34: Giants’ QB change, coach-media relations
• 44:31–46:46: Knicks vs. Mavericks, Jalen Brunson’s status, concerns about player injuries

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Tone & Style

The signature tone is equal parts irreverent, insightful, and openly New York: candor, wisecracks, and authentic sports talk. The hosts aren’t shy about calling out dumb decisions or poking fun at themselves, the teams, or each other—making this episode both a geeky breakdown for hardcore fans and an engaging listen for casuals who love the eccentricities of sports culture in the city.

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Transcript

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Caller]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, ladies and gentlemen, you darn Tootin.

[Alan Hahn]

You are darn Tootin.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Three o' clock here in NY and in Sunrise, Florida, where Don legreca, I hope will report, I hope he'll report back that he dipped those fabulous New Jersey legs into a luxurious pool or some sort of water in Florida today. Did it happen?

[Alan Hahn]

It happened.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got in water.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, our we. Our time of arrival in the pool is a little bit before 10:00am all right. And I spent. I spent a good portion of the morning before the Devils practiced in the pool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By yourself or some compadres there?

[Alan Hahn]

No, it was all me. All me. And I dragged all the equipment out to the balcony of my beautiful hotel so you can see the Atlantic Ocean in the background. I don't know if you're able to see it at the studios just yet, but that is my shot for the show. Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm waiting. No, I'm waiting. I'm waiting right now. They're still on my handsome face, but.

[Alan Hahn]

It'S coming up to the ocean when it's a single shot. But how about, how was the water?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did it feel good?

[Don LaGreca]

He had to lay Maddening, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

Felt great. Because. Because the way. Just a quirk of the schedule, this is our last trip to Florida. We've already been to Tampa already. We've only got the one trip to Sunrise.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, look at them.

[Alan Hahn]

We've already got California out of the way. Vegas was taken away from us by, I think, tnt. So this is literally the last warm weather city we're going to be in all season. So I wanted to take advantage.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, so real quick, are you on the balcony right now?

[Alan Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's working for you.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Listen, listen. Those listening.

[Alan Hahn]

If you can see the ocean narrative.

[Don LaGreca]

If you aren't on YouTube. Look at that. This is a day to be on YouTube.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a nice. That's a nice shot. This is.

[Don LaGreca]

This is Sonny Lagreca.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can I. Sonny, can I ask you one more inside baseball question? If you will, please?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. How.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How are you? This is very inside baseball. I apologize. How are you connected at the hotel? Are you on WI fi or do you have like an ethernet?

[Alan Hahn]

No, I'm on the. The WI fi, the old cradle box, the crate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, so you have the cradle point outside with you to the thing.

[Alan Hahn]

I have the cradle point, but you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have the power plugged in somewhere.

[Alan Hahn]

Luckily, the outlets are close enough.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Where I was able to stretch it all. I had to move the table. It's a little awkward if you walked into the room where, like the table is right in the doorway of the balcony. But I am not missing out. I love what you take advantage.

[Don LaGreca]

Very, very smart. Very, very smart. I think during the break you should.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go down to the pool, hit another.

[Don LaGreca]

There's an outlet down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hit another lap too.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what I mean? There's an outlet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And by the way, I. I think you should light up a stoke during the show.

[Don LaGreca]

I wouldn't hate that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or a bogey.

[Don LaGreca]

I wouldn't hate whatever or.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or a joint. Do whatever you want.

[Don LaGreca]

Struggle by 5. By 5.

[Alan Hahn]

That I have with this job. Is that a lot of people on the traveling party.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, boy.

[Alan Hahn]

The Devils broadcast, including Ken Danico, partake in cigars. And there was a time in my life where I'd be all in. But I've got a nice streak of 12 plus years without a cigar. And I'm keeping it alive. But I'm telling you, it's calling me. It'd be calling me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Calling you, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. And I dream about cigars. Like women. I get it.

[Don LaGreca]

That's how I miss it.

[Alan Hahn]

I miss it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know it's hard, man.

[Don LaGreca]

That's. That's two things you miss. That's a shame.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What? The Women, Part two.

[Alan Hahn]

What are you saying?

[Don LaGreca]

Nothing. I am.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You clearly said something was said there.

[Alan Hahn]

Something was said. Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

It's something that you've said that I thought that you would pick up on, but you did not. So it's your title. Let's keep it moving.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to play dumb for the sake of. All right, good. Everything.

[Don LaGreca]

Do it, do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Meanwhile.

[Don LaGreca]

It'S too early to talk about the NFL draft. I can't stand when we get to this point and we start projecting NFL draft. But because the jets are where they are and all the picks that they have. I did click on Matt Miller's very too early mock draft of the first round and it really, I like Matt. It, it just set me off. It pissed me off. It really bothered me because it's what, what he suggests the jets do is what bad franchises do. Which what I first thing that I said was, well, that's dumb because that's what a bad franchise would do. And then I stopped myself and said, okay, it's on brand. So what he's doing is saying this is what a bad franchise like the jets would do. So he is because of now he's using the standings as they are, so the jets wouldn't have the first pick. So instead he says that he is projecting that the jets move up to number one by trading the two first round picks that they have plus a second round pick that they have in 2026. So basically everything he did with Sauce Gardner and Quinn and Williams put it all on the table. Get me to number one.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

But that's not it because we all know then it's all right. Now at number one, you take Fernando Mendoza from Indiana, which is the projected best quarterback in this draft. But he proceeds to say, mendoza might not be the Caleb Williams in his class in terms of top quarterback prospects over the last five years, but he's the best in this class. And the jets italics have to take a swing at the position. He said, like that's right there. Right there is the problem. You don't have to do that in this draft, with these draft picks, you don't have to do that. But what he's suggesting is they have to do it because that's what bad desperate franchises do that are more worried about perception than, than they are worried about building a proper team. So even though this is not a great quarterback draft and even though this quarterback who's the best in this not great quarterback draft is really not that good compared to everybody else in the last five years. Well, you're up next. You got to take them, which I say is wrong. Na should not do that. Major mistake if they do that. You want to take quarterback later, fine. To give up everything. So you're telling me Sauce, Garden, Quinn and Williams were equal to a quarterback that is projected to not be as good as any other quarterbacks taken in the last five years? That's what we're doing now.

[Alan Hahn]

That's just stupid.

[Don LaGreca]

That's what bad franchises do.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a bad franchise.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm against this 100%.

[Alan Hahn]

That was my analogy yesterday, is I got to get married. I'm at the bar, it's 3 o' clock in the morning. They've some last call. Somebody come home with me so we can get married. And why are you doing that? She. She doesn't look like your type. She doesn't resemble anything that would make for a good wife. Yeah, but you know what? I need a wife and it now. And now's the time I can't pass up.

[Don LaGreca]

You'll do.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. That's what bad franchises do now. And this was not the article. But I will say this, that if you read the tea leaves and you see how aggressive they were to get picks, knowing they're probably not going to be bad enough to have the first overall pick. What if Muji loves Mendoza the way of course he loved Eli and said, I've got to get this guy. I've got to put myself in a position to get this guy. We're not gonna have the first overall pick, but I want to be able to get all of the equity possible to trade there, then by all means do it. Because if you are sold on him and it's your job, you don't listen to the experts, you don't listen to Mel Kuiper, you don't listen to anybody or Alan Hahn, Don Lagreca, if you're convinced of it, then it is your moral imperative to do whatever you can to get them. But I don't know that to be the case here. It sounds like it's just, hey, we need a quarterback. We're probably not going to get a quarterback in this draft unless we select number one. So let's just. Let's take a stab at it. No, there's a saying in pool and there's also a saying other things. And since you guys have filthy minds, you're probably going to go there. Go ahead of the poking hope.

[Don LaGreca]

Excuse me, I don't have a shot.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't have a shot. So I'm just going to wail on the cue ball, hopefully it hits something, something goes in. That's not a good pool player. That's a poor pool player that sometimes gets lucky and does land a shot and can find a way to win the game. But is that what you want your general manager doing? Just closing his eyes and throwing at the dartboard and hope it's bull? Or do you try to do the right thing for what's best for your franchise? If it means not selecting a quarterback and it feels like that would probably be the better thing to do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, really. I don't know. I thought one of the things that's always made the great teams great, you know, when you look at the Ravens, the Patriots, the Eagles, they're basically just taking a stab in the dark and hoping that it works out.

[Don LaGreca]

Absolutely. You know, when they. When they got their quarterbacks, they did a desperate play to get the number one pick. And it worked out great. Right. For the Ravens, didn't it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that. No, literally, Ozzie Newsom was famous for. He just would throw a dart at the wall and whatever it hit, that's what he did. And the Ravens became great.

[Don LaGreca]

But this is. Again, I like Matt, so I think what Matt's doing here is showing you this is what a desperate franchise like the jets would do. And then he's telling you, you know, the guy's not really that good. Not in comparison. Like, he. The name he brought up was Caleb Williams. So, by the way, is he not. Is he tearing up the league or.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's. No, he's getting there. He's getting there.

[Alan Hahn]

He could still end up being a really good quarterback.

[Don LaGreca]

He's all right, right? He's all right.

[Alan Hahn]

I think.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think he could be more than that, for sure. But it's not a name that gets you like, oh, my God.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't even say Jaden. He could have said Jaden Daniel.

[Don LaGreca]

A couple others he could have brought up. But the point I'm making is, is this is not about Matt Miller and what he did, because that's what he's supposed to do. I'm looking at it from the Jets. Had better not do this. That Muji. I can't think. There's no way you turn Quinn and Williams and Sauce Gardner into a. Take a swing at a quarterback that isn't really projected to be as good as the quarterbacks we've seen in the last five years come out in the draft. That doesn't make sense. If next year's quarterback draft is better than. To me, you hoard all of your picks and you keep it simple. Then you find another quarterback in. In the league that you can get. You can use some of this. Look, if one shakes out, that's good, because you never know, then maybe you can use the picks to get that guy. But to give up all your draft capital that you gave away two talented players for, for a guy that is a shot in the dark. Fireable.

[Alan Hahn]

But the question is, did the jets have something or someone in mind when they compiled all of this draft? Equity. Was it just, hey, we just want to be ready for whatever shakes loose, right? Or did Muji have something in mind?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Is there a quarterback that he thinks he could trade for? Is there a quarterback in this draft or next he feels that he can trade up for? Or was it just, let's just get a bunch of picks and, you know, save it for a rainy day? Well, you know, it's raining, so what are you doing with it? You just taking picks for the sake of taking picks and giving yourself options? Or was there something specific you had in mind? I hope he has something specific in mind. Otherwise, isn't it just poke and hope? Let's just get a bunch of picks and see what happens. Put ourselves in a position just like all these teams that tank so we could see what happens, right? Or let's free up all this cap space so we can see what happens. But don't the good general managers do it because there's a specific direction they want to go into?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, that's called a plan, Don.

[Alan Hahn]

So what's the plan?

[Don LaGreca]

Most GMs have them.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you think Muji has one? He doesn't have to tell us.

[Don LaGreca]

I hope so.

[Alan Hahn]

But do you think he's got a plan?

[Don LaGreca]

I would hope so.

[Alan Hahn]

What do you think that plan is?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I. Again, when you make the dramatic moves that he made at the trade deadline, the way he did it, you do that. I think, like you said, with a plan. Now you still have the fifth pick. Right now. Right now, they'd have the fifth pick in the draft. And I know there's some quarterbacks that might not come out in the draft because they might wait a year. Sometimes some of them might need the year. But if you convince them, hey, I give you a guarantee at number five, you couldn't get Ty Simpson. You couldn't get Dante Moore to say, I'll come out for the fifth pick and do it that way. Because Mike Tannenbaum said something I always agreed with. He said I would draft the quarterback every year in the draft.

[Alan Hahn]

Every year.

[Don LaGreca]

Until you find one, till you get your guy. Because you don't know you can get him in the first round, the second round, third round, the fourth round. We have seen in this league all the way to Mr. Irrelevant. A quarterback has become a starter in the NFL, so that's not a terrible thing to do. I'm not saying don't try to get a quarterback, but I'm not giving up draft capital to move up for a guy that is a maybe you Got to go for somebody that you believe is a definite and that's our answer for the next 10 years. That's what you got to do. And I hope that Darren Muji has that kind of plan in mind.

[Alan Hahn]

And let's not forget because we live in the analytical world and we live in the world of the old Gil Brandt have each pick has its a numerical value. So if you make a trade, you can. You could figure out whether the trade is going to work or not. Theoretically on paper, but ultimately you want the football mind to say I want this player and here's why not. I want this player because he's a quarterback and I need a quarterback. I want this player because he does this, this and this well. And I think this is what we need to do to win a Super Bowl. That's what Ernie, of course he did with Eli. I know we keep bringing it back the Jordan Ron on book and get it. It's spectacular. We where of course he said Jordan puts in the scouting reports in the book of all the things he loved about Eli. So it wasn't we need a quarterback. Eli Manning. It's Manning. That's his last name. He'll be marketable in New York. People won't kill me for making this pick. No. He gave you specifics. Arm strength, presence in the pocket, ability to make players around him better. You know, getting up after getting. He gave you all the things that. That said, I think this is a guy that's going to win us a Super Bowl. Is that what's going on? Or it's just I need quarterback. I draft quarterback. Like, come on, man. I need to know you're a football guy and that you know football players because ultimately that's what good general managers are.

[Don LaGreca]

And you have this time in sports.

[Alan Hahn]

We'Re looking at the numbers and relying on other people's information. What's your information?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, you got to have the stones also to say that's not my guy, that's not the guy. And I know I have. I know I have the ability to draft him. I can move up the. I'm. That's not my guy. And that's it. Like the Giants, right? The Giants identified the Jackson dart was their guy. They moved up to get him. They also identified that there were other quarterbacks that they would love to have had as well, but they couldn't move up to get him. Right, but they still identified. No, no, that's somebody that's worth it and it is paid off for the jets, like moving from the second round into the back into the first round is one thing. Moving to number one and giving up a boatload of your hard earned.

[Alan Hahn]

Basically.

[Don LaGreca]

Draft money like doing that assets, you want to call them like I just, you gotta know that's your guy and you gotta have the stones that to go, nope, I'm letting it go. No, I'm not drafting him. And have Woody Johnson go, well, wait a minute. The Saints are going to trade up over us and they're going to get him good. I've seen him. That's not worth it for us. We can do better. Yeah, you got to have the ability to say that and tell Woody, stand down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you're stacking picks.

[Don LaGreca]

Whoever else is in the war room during the draft.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's another way to utilize those picks to get a quarterback without you drafting someone who you're not interested in.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, you're drafting someone that then ends up being a mistake because by the way, we've been there already. That's why Joe Douglas doesn't have a job.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Don LaGreca]

What do you think? I got the quarter zip on today because it was referenced yesterday.

[Alan Hahn]

I saw that.

[Don LaGreca]

What do you think?

[Alan Hahn]

I like it.

[Don LaGreca]

I saw it in the closet. I'm like, you know what? Because I got a game tonight and I don't want to wear the suit during the show and I thought, well, but I don't like sitting in a tie, so I'll throw this thing on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll rock this thing now, right? White water.

[Don LaGreca]

Great brand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know why water work. I don't know if I love the different colored zipper.

[Alan Hahn]

Interesting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It matches your shirt. So it does kind of work.

[Don LaGreca]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I got. I don't know if I like it.

[Don LaGreca]

But then you got the dark blue inside.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but you know what?

[Don LaGreca]

I never know what to do with this, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's it. You're doing it right.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can't try zipping all the way. You'll look nuts.

[Don LaGreca]

No, you don't want to do that. You look like a psycho.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me see.

[Don LaGreca]

No, no, Come on. This is when you become this. This is now when, you know, you walk into the room and you start inspecting whether or not it's clean.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Only outside. Outside you can do that. It's cold. You cover the neck. Well, it's not.

[Don LaGreca]

No, you got.

[Alan Hahn]

You look uncircumcised that way.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what? You're right. That's exactly how I feel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Although we felt.

[Don LaGreca]

I felt uncircumcised when I zipped that up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We were just having a conversation with. With John Winthrop, our pinhead suit, about.

[Don LaGreca]

He was also wearing a quarter zip.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's wearing a quarter zip with nothing.

[Don LaGreca]

Underneath, though, which is established in.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, was there nothing underneath?

[Alan Hahn]

Nothing.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't. I didn't see a shirt. There was no rothy showing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, so you think he just had skin?

[Don LaGreca]

I. I think it's skin. Right. He's wearing a shirt.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he's got a shirt.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, okay. Oh, it's a V neck.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's wearing a V neck. So he's very. What that means is he wants it.

[Don LaGreca]

To look like he's not wearing a shirt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I know you're committed to. There's no taking it off like it's. That is the shirt for the day is the zip. Most people put the zip on over a shirt you could also wear, but.

[Don LaGreca]

A V neck so that it shows all your, like, navel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's the worrisome part about it, is the kids are obsessed now with. With the quarter zip. It's the thing ever. I'm growing up now. I'm turning in my track jacket or whatever, my. My Nike tech, and I'm wearing the quarter zip. That's the thing the kids are saying, okay, and we're talking about whether this works as a style and. And. And John Winthrop goes up. I. I think it works great. I wear it every day. And I looked at Al and I said, is that a sign? It's a problem. Because when you think of fashion forward, when you think of Pushing the envelope and every day going, I want to look swaggy today. I want everyone to take a look.

[Don LaGreca]

Straight out of a catalog. You think John Winthrop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, you do think John Winthrop. If it's a Land's end catalog in 1990, but if it's like, you know what I'm saying? Like, he's not. He wears a lot of.

[Don LaGreca]

He's got a Patagonia.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he's wearing Patagonia. He wears a lot of company branded.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot of Disney.

[Alan Hahn]

Espn.

[Don LaGreca]

Big Disney guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, like, what is there a legitimate percentage, John, of? Could you give a percentage of clothing in your wardrobe that was given to you by a company you work for? Like, does it reach percentage level?

[Don LaGreca]

He's the guy. Team issue guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

Everywhere you see him, he's wearing team issue stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Correct.

[Don LaGreca]

Never anything else.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And like, we all have a few things like, that we've been given, but for me, it's not registering a percent of my gear.

[Don LaGreca]

No, it's. It's. Usually it's around the house and it's a Rick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's in a box somewhere because I feel guilty throwing it away.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's wearing it. So, John, is it a percentage?

[Don LaGreca]

So when you say you're talking about the Walt Disney company, not just ESPN.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, correct.

[Don LaGreca]

So I have, I think 45 to 50 Disney T shirts alone. So many. So many. Separate dresser. Not separate dresser. Closet bins in the attic. Bins that I have to. Whenever I'm going on a Disney trip, I go up to the attic.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, dear.

[Don LaGreca]

Go into the bins.

[Alan Hahn]

A Christmas decoration.

[Don LaGreca]

So don's point.

[Alan Hahn]

If it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If it's a Christmas.

[Don LaGreca]

If it's a Christmas or Halloween trip, there's certain shirts for that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God.

[Don LaGreca]

And then if it's summertime, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so if it's a cruise.

[Don LaGreca]

Line, different shirts, but those, those you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Paid for, for the most part.

[Don LaGreca]

Do people walk up to you at these places and ask you, like, where something is? Or can. Can they. Can you help them with something? I sometimes get asked where I got a shirt. So that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they don't ask you for direction.

[Don LaGreca]

Nobody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, everyone's wearing Disney stuff, right? It's very common. No, but what about specifically, sir, what.

[Don LaGreca]

Is the karaoke on the luau deck?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, listen, he knows the answer.

[Don LaGreca]

I do know. He probably does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But what about actual. Like, you were issued the gear by the company. How many, how many pieces?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't have a lot of that. Not that many. No. I would say if. If Troy in marketing hooks me up with something that we sort of.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe.

[Don LaGreca]

Maybe 10.

[Alan Hahn]

If that. If.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you just get good use out of them.

[Don LaGreca]

By the way, I wear the whale a lot, too. Little vineyard vine. He does wear the whale.

[Alan Hahn]

I have one of those.

[Don LaGreca]

You have the alligator.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Still, some people wear. Some people wear the polo, some people wear the whale.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm wearing white water, and you're wearing.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but it's almost like if Disney was a hockey. Very good or sports team, John would be the. The head trainer.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Equipment manager. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

He's not. Not to the level of wearing the uniform, but he's wearing the pullover, the shirt. He's got the logo.

[Don LaGreca]

He always looks official like. Like John whenever he wears things to Disney could go where it's his employees only, and no one would say a word.

[Alan Hahn]

Easily. Easily.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what I've gotten into now with Disney apparel because I have so many T shirts, and we were just talking about quarter zips. I now am getting a quarter zip from every Disney resort. I'm like, this is your collection now. This is not my collection. You're obsessed. Different hotels, boy. Grand Floridian contemporary. He not know how to party. This man knows how to party.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I listen, I see a lot of John Winthrop's because when I go to do evolve, I'm flying into and in some cases, staying.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, yeah, the airport, Orlando.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I'm there. I see his people. They're wearing the ears the second they get off the plane.

[Don LaGreca]

You're not an ears guy, are you? You don't do the. Nah, look at. Oh, was that rookie on that hair on that face?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The ears is rookie.

[Don LaGreca]

He can't. He can't do ears. No, no, he's too handsome. I mean, how do I say this properly?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what?

[Don LaGreca]

I'm not gonna even say it at all because I don't think I can say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's not for you.

[Don LaGreca]

It's not for me. Ears are not for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ears are not for.

[Don LaGreca]

By the way, my wife wears ears.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don LaGreca]

My daughter wears ears.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, so do mine.

[Don LaGreca]

All right, I get it now. Did you get the coat? He just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I got it.

[Don LaGreca]

I deciphered what he said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not for you. I. My. My wife wore.

[Don LaGreca]

It's like Draymond Green with a fan yelling at him. It's the same thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, exactly. How dare you call me that?

[Don LaGreca]

Wait a minute.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

Okay, that's it.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don LaGreca]

Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don LaGreca]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. This is so good by the way. Yeah, I totally forgot about this song. I need to put this I need to put this on. This is Miami Vice Thief and Jan.

[Alan Hahn]

Hammer jan hammer the 1980s countdown last weekend was 1985, which you got to take or leave because the mid-80s.

[Don LaGreca]

It's not great.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but this on this week or last week in 1985, this was the number three song in the country.

[Don LaGreca]

No, like, really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What a weird time.

[Don LaGreca]

Think about TV show soundtracks. First of all, there's not many of them.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

Second of all, whatever, there was, this dominated that year, didn't it, Don?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

Like this soundtrack came out and it was, it made songs that were already once like chart toppers, back on the chart again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's crazy, I know.

[Don LaGreca]

And this was an unreal. This changed television, this show.

[Alan Hahn]

This might sound very sad. Go ahead. And you may judge me harshly. Really? I have never watched a second of Miami Vice.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't, I don't know how that's possible.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll tell you why. Because there was a period in the mid-80s where I watched zero television. Alf, complete rumor to me. Like, because that was right when I was junior, senior year in high school. I had other things on my mind. I was not watching a lot of network television.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I watched ALF religiously, but I was a child when it was out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but you must have had a period in your life where you can't relate to at least a two or three year period of television because you were at a time in your life where.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was college for me. It was college.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. So, like people who watch Room for It.

[Peter Rosenberg]

People like loved Boy Meets World. It was when I was in college. Didn't see it.

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't know it. All right. No, I know who Topanga is. I know that there's a thing. But like, I didn't watch the show.

[Don LaGreca]

I, I gotta be like, Miami Vice was one of the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You were a kid, right?

[Don LaGreca]

Like, yeah, that was in my wheelhouse, that Knight Rider. Those were the 2 and 18.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Knight Rider. I did watch.

[Don LaGreca]

Those were like, that was it for me. I, I religiously watched that stuff. All the other things people talk about in the 80s, I didn't really catch, you know, maybe a little bit of Family Ties here and there, but the stuff I was like, must see. Yeah, it was, it was basically like Chips A Team, Miami Vice and Knight Rider.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it.

[Don LaGreca]

All those shows.

[Alan Hahn]

Never watched the second any of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You missed them all.

[Alan Hahn]

The whole show was that. That was my window where television just. I was playing ball. I obviously started dating for the first time. You talk about 16, 17 year old kids sitting there watching network television. Stop.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, I was younger.

[Alan Hahn]

I was on the prowl.

[Don LaGreca]

Were you?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you find anything?

[Don LaGreca]

What was that like?

[Alan Hahn]

Very little. I mean, my.

[Don LaGreca]

You were on my, My date.

[Alan Hahn]

If you want to, if you want to pick up a Visual of my dating life during that span of time is the old man on the beach with the metal detector.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How much they found. You're saying you found the same amount I found?

[Alan Hahn]

But, but I. I found. Nope.

[Don LaGreca]

But wasn't any. I eventually found a lot of static.

[Alan Hahn]

But. So, so that was wor then. But, but, but still I. But I was giving it the old college try and I didn't have time for the nonsense of television. Then a television all of a sudden comes back into your life again. But there we all have that one window.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know, they get out of the other window.

[Don LaGreca]

So that would. But chips was like late, late 70s, early 80s. Don.

[Alan Hahn]

It was probably just something my dad didn't watch. You watch what your parents watch. There were not a lot of options in the house. Wasn't wheeling out the old black and white.

[Don LaGreca]

I mean, if I had to. If I was stuck watching my parents watch be mash all the time mashing Love Boat. Listen, you know, that's, that's, that's not great.

[Alan Hahn]

I've seen thing every episode of both of those shows.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, I was. I mean, I did too, but because a. Jace. I guess because I really wasn't.

[Alan Hahn]

You were in the room. Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't understand most of it, but it was there.

[Alan Hahn]

It was all to understand about the Love boat.

[Don LaGreca]

I was 8 and 9 years old. Like, yeah, there's a lot to know, Julie, you know, did you know movement? Yeah, maybe a little. Julie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But besides the early.

[Don LaGreca]

Could have been early movement. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you know, the irony of my wrestling fandom is that I had my no TV phase in college, which was the most exciting era of wrestling of all time. It was Stone Cold Steve Austin and the Rock, Chris Jericho, Triple H, the Undertaker. I knew it was happening. Kids on my hall were watching it and I was just like, oh, man, I used to love wrestling. Anyways. What's up? I went to the radio station. Like, I was just.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, I was on my.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I was. I was going to be on the radio and I was doing my thing.

[Don LaGreca]

That was the same thing as me on a different level. Like if it wasn't sports, like if it wasn't hockey or basketball and the Jets. I wasn't watching Yankees. Wasn't watching. Yeah, that's it. Like, that's the only stuff I would watch tv, wise and otherwise. It was video games like Nintendo, Sega, constantly. Or sports like when my teams were playing. That's it. Yeah, because I was. I was playing. I was. I was still an athlete, but now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Unfortunately, I'm an adult. And the TV era is pretty glorious. There's a lot of good TV I got.

[Don LaGreca]

It's different TV now. See, that's why, Don, you can go back down and watch Miami Vice. He doesn't watch TV anymore, but he streams stuff. I thought.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but I don't watch shows.

[Don LaGreca]

It's so good, though, Don.

[Alan Hahn]

I only watch the only shows that I stream from the old days or shows that I already watched and want to just re remember them. I don't know if I'm gonna go binge watch Miami Button Vice. I mean, really, if I. If I get to that point in my life, then pull the plug.

[Don LaGreca]

Really? That's where.

[Alan Hahn]

That's.

[Don LaGreca]

That's what. That's when you got nothing to do.

[Alan Hahn]

That's when I ran out of options.

[Don LaGreca]

Fair enough.

[Alan Hahn]

We've used everything up. Well, let's plug back down to the last tissue.

[Don LaGreca]

Plug back into the people. 800 now. 193776. Tony's in Yonkers. Tony's got an idea about what the jets should do with these draft picks. Good tone. Please turn down your radio first.

[Caller]

I did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There we go.

[Caller]

Finally, guys. Finally I've gotten a chance to talk to you guys on the phone here. First and foremost, Thanksgiving's right around the corner. Want to thank you guys for all the fun times I've had listening to you driving home each day. Don, I've been listening for 14 years now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Caller]

And it's. Yeah, it's been a long time. It's added up. Peter and Hans, you guys are great, man. So about the Jets. What if they just hold on to their picks, pass them forward to other teams, and build up more capital for the following year? I think that would be the best move. Then they could get a pick, like, two years from now, and we'll have even more picks to go for.

[Don LaGreca]

I like that better than giving up picks to move. You got to turn the radio down. Thank you for the call.

[Alan Hahn]

For everyone.

[Don LaGreca]

I say thank you. Yeah, but. But honestly, that's a way better option to me, and I know that's kicking the can down the road, and I know. I know the owner won't be able to handle it. His kids will be in his ear about it. What they're saying on that. This is what they're saying on Instagram, dad, you can't let him do that. Which is no way to run a franchise.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's how you. That's you. Do you listen to your kids?

[Don LaGreca]

Instagram cares what the moron in the comments is saying? It's what your GM says. This is what we should do. Not draft a guy cuz you know somebody. But that's the problem is I like. That's why Matt Miller wrote what he wrote, because that's what bad franchises do. And unfortunately the jets have a reputation. It's very hard to scrub. You know who's back? Danny, Long Island. Oh, hey, what's up, Danny?

[Caller]

I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with that person anymore. This is Danny from. From the Witness Protection Agency. Oh, they told Peter Lonnie's out to get me, so I've been relocated to a secure location.

[Don LaGreca]

He's.

[Alan Hahn]

I think you'll be. I think you can handle yourself.

[Caller]

I apologize. He accepted the misunderstanding that it was. I accepted responsibility for it. It wasn't meant to be that way. And we broke bread over it and we're moving on.

[Don LaGreca]

Can you guys see Candy in the movie? You know, My Blue Heaven, like in Protection? Wouldn't Danny be perfect? Like in that kind of role? Arugula.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a vegetable.

[Caller]

So as I told Peter, I'm like Ray Leona reading noodles and sauce.

[Don LaGreca]

Yep.

[Caller]

You know, like a schmuck. Like every other. I'm up in Wisconsin. But listen, you tickled my funny bone there with the Miami Vice because. Don, I never saw an episode of Miami vice because in 1984, on Friday night at 10 o', clock, if you were home and you were 21 years old, you were a loser. So it was a great show. I was aware of it. It was a. For Peter. You know, Peter's into music. It was a cultural significant show because the clothing, the music. They did an entire episode. They did three minutes with Phil Collins song.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Something. Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

CNN.

[Caller]

CNN did a whole documentary on the 80s. He did an episode on television. They did. Miami Vice was a turning point of television. I mean, it was like a big.

[Don LaGreca]

Cultural deal because they started making it feel cinematic instead of just a TV show. And that's what they were. Correct. Like I was like 12. I was like 10 and 12 years old. It was. My eyes were wide watching that show. It was unreal. The car, the clothes. Everything about it was awesome. And how many, by the way, how many future stars were in that show.

[Caller]

Without wearing socks? That was amazing to me because I watched my father put on black socks every day when he went to work. They were dressed in prints and all kinds of loafers and they were doing police work. This is amazing. So anyway, listen, the issue of the day here, as far as significance, just put the first 32 NFL teams above any other team, except for maybe the Yankees, because really, you can take a 12 year old kid and he could probably tell you five or six people on the Seattle Seahawks or the LA Rams couldn't tell you anybody on some team, basketball team. So these football teams are all almost universally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but not above the big one. Not above the big.

[Caller]

Except the big. Except the very big one. But I want to go. Don, I know you're doing a list. Newsday yesterday published a list, it's online, of the top 10 New York sports calls of all time. I think your list should be disemboweling their list.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow. That was their list?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Did you agree?

[Caller]

I thought. I thought their list was fair. And I thought the fact they put in Secretariat winning the Triple Crown was good because it showed they were looking outside the main. That was a big moment in the country with Secretary. That was alive for that. It was a big call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We still see.

[Caller]

Yeah, 1973, they did some Knicks, they did a little, you know, they didn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Have a lot of.

[Caller]

There were some things they left out. They had two from the Rangers, a couple from the Mets. No Yankees, no Chris Chamblitz, which is not only a great call, but the greatest steppage of all time. When Howard Cosell pushed Keith Jackson out of the booth because that was a great call. He won a pennant. That was. How is that not. How was that not a call? But it was a good list. I think Don should look it over now.

[Don LaGreca]

Was it all national? Were there national calls involved in it?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Caller]

Scully doing the. Scully did the Mets a ground ball behind Buckner, so we had to involve the New York team, but there was. Whoever happened to call.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay, we'll get a handle on that. Thank you, Danny. We'll get. We'll definitely get a hold of that list, take a look at it and see where it goes. Kyle in. Is this New Hampshire? Kyle is in New Hampshire.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Kyle.

[Don LaGreca]

On yesterday's topic of the day, Kyle.

[Caller]

Hey, can I join?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course you can, buddy.

[Alan Hahn]

Awesome.

[Caller]

What's up, guys? So I'm a teacher in Hudson, New Hampshire. I teach fourth grade. And, you know, you guys are talking about six, seven of the dead today. I, you know, turn to my class and I go, all right, guys, let's go ahead and turn to pages six and seven. And the room absolutely erupted.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Caller]

Erupted. And I'm shocked. Absolutely. That was my. I just shook my head and you know what? I gave in. I said, you know, next time I do this, should I just do the little hand. Yeah, you know, the little hand gesture. And you know, they. They just absolutely loved it. I mean, I think it's silly. I get like, you know, it's ridiculous, but if it makes them happy and the things that we were doing, running around when we were young, you know, I.

[Don LaGreca]

Character silly too.

[Caller]

But I just thought I'd comment.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Love the show, guys. First time caller.

[Don LaGreca]

Thanks.

[Caller]

And go Giants.

[Don LaGreca]

All right. Appreciate it again. Fourth grade. That's. That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's how you know it's.

[Don LaGreca]

That's when you know it's. It's. It's at that level.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's 10 and under now. It's for the 10 and under and 40 and up. That's a bad sign.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. But it's, you know, it is what it is. Aaron Glenn announced his quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard.

[Don LaGreca]

For the week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I heard.

[Don LaGreca]

Didn't need to go to Rich Samini. Here's what he said.

[Alan Hahn]

It was purely my decision. I felt like it was the time to do it again. Had good conversation with both of those guys. And listen, these situations are not always easy, you know, but as a head coach, you have to do what's best for the team. And I feel like it was best for the team.

[Don LaGreca]

So it's Tyrod Taylor, as he says here.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Said that on Monday. Talked to both of those guys. Talked to the team on Monday. So Tyrod will be our starter.

[Don LaGreca]

Why did you decide to make that move?

[Alan Hahn]

Because I wanted to. What was that question? I didn't catch it.

[Don LaGreca]

Why did you go make that decision? Why'd you change quarterbacks? Because I wanted to.

[Alan Hahn]

I. I know you're looking for the answer, but like, really, did you.

[Don LaGreca]

That would have been funnier if he said that. Did you watch?

[Alan Hahn]

I guess you've been on vacation for the last eight months.

[Don LaGreca]

Two weeks. Did you happen to see what happened?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hello. But I mean, also, he just has. He's still in a place where he has to be that guy. You can't just try to say the.

[Don LaGreca]

Two answers weren't great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, we weren't getting. Listen, we love Justin. We're not getting the production we want from him. We're going to try to spark things up with Tyrod. He's a veteran. We think we'll be able to do some different things. The blah, blah, blah. Throwing some words people know. Pass pro, throw some words in. Blah, blah, blah. We like Tyrod.

[Don LaGreca]

Still believe in omega.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. You don't have to just say because I wanted to. That's just being that guy. We know you're the head coach, buddy. We get it. Your thing is bigger than all of ours. It's the biggest one. Show it to the room, drop it on the table. And we're all so impressed by it. But I wish he could just like, just answer, man. I'm not going to. I'm not going to like, call the guy out of his name and do the New York radio show guy thing and be mean about it, but just stop trying so hard. Like, just give answers.

[Don LaGreca]

Just sounds angry all the time. And I guess I would be too, if I had to coach that team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is frustrating, but, like, you could.

[Don LaGreca]

You're.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going to make it. You're making it harder on yourself.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course, this only makes it harder. Make the media your friend. Make it so they don't to want. Want to beat your team up because, like, you know, the team sucks. Kind of like Glenn, though, man. Likable. You can.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, that was what they said about Robert Salah, and eventually it's like, like him, but his team still sucks. But again, but you do was a nice guy. He was great with the media.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it probably bought him some time. You think it bought him more time? I think it did. I don't know if it bought him time with the team.

[Don LaGreca]

Once Rogers came, that time was up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, then it's up. Yeah, but like, Don, you know what I'm saying? I don't. I'm not saying in every situation you catch more bees with honey, but I think in the case of the New York media, you will give people answers, give them something to write.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't treat them like they're stupid. It'll go a long way.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, ultimately you're gonna be judged on wins and losses, not your Persona or how you're on the sidelines or how you handle press conferences. But in the meantime, while we wait for the wins and some have to wait longer than others, why not just be a little nicer and try to win over the room in other ways while you're getting your footing? That's it. Instead of having to prove to everybody I'm the coach of the team. I'm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is anyone doubting that you're the coach of the team? I do. Like we know, man, it's your team.

[Don LaGreca]

It's the voice thing, I think.

[Alan Hahn]

And you're not leaving a positive impression, Alan, until you start winning games?

[Don LaGreca]

No, of course not. He's got to know that. Which is why I've always said, like, people who talk about, like, I know the market, it's like, oh, it's, it's tough. Media, New York, I can handle it. You get people that think they know until they get here, then they realize because it's amazing how many coaches you talk to after the fact who've coached here and then they leave and how many of them all say the same thing about so much. It's so much nicer somewhere else in a different market. It's like, oh, it's the pressure there, the intensity there. It's like it's non stop. Couldn't sleep that other places. It's like just a lot easier to do the job here than it is in New York. They have no idea the monster they walk into. But no, no, we're all just these arrogant New Yorkers. I think we're just so tough. No, it's a reality. Ask anybody that's coached here and has struggled. When they leave, it's the first thing they say is that, you know what? I loved it there. But man, the pressure was intense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It doesn't stop.

[Don LaGreca]

And it's so much better here. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said that.

[Don LaGreca]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Glenn Fry, you belong to the city again. Miami Vice soundtrack. Get to know it, kids.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, it's definitely a phenomenon. I'm not not mocking it. Oh, you did my cup of tea. But it was huge.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, how this, this doesn't make sense to me, Dom, because it feels like it would be your cup of tea. This show would have been right up your alley, I thought. But it wasn't. And, and that's, that's leaving. Never know what confused this microphone, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

What sounds.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, Peter, I'm telling you, the thermostat doesn't work. Baking in here. Right now we have it down to 60. It's, it's, it's. It says it's 74 in the room, so we got some issues here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And next door it's like they're like belting in there.

[Don LaGreca]

It's like 85 degrees, doors open. Jake's got his shirt off. And this microphone, by the way, whoever's using it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Limp.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Like chronic keltosis.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, oh, oh, there's bad breath on it.

[Don LaGreca]

It's, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that can't be for me.

[Don LaGreca]

I leaned out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're saying, oh, who was on before?

[Don LaGreca]

Was it. I don't know, but it's. Well, today we're gonna need to have a conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was back, right?

[Don LaGreca]

He wasn't here. He was home.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh boy. So that leaves Carlin. I just Carlin or Dave.

[Don LaGreca]

It was it like when I sat down to start the show and I leaned in, I was like, come on, man. I had to wait the whole segment to get through. Yeah, we got it fixed though. We're good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Funk like a shoe. That's what you're saying?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. It wasn't great. Was not great. You know what is great though? Game time. Brought to you by Tullimardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. It's Charlie time. It's Tolly time.

[Don LaGreca]

This is all we have tonight, just the Knicks and the Mavericks like you dream about. All right, well, Knicks in the Mavericks right after Dan grassley here on 8:80. So pregame starts at 9. That's right, at 9:30. Tip off could be later. As Don mentioned yesterday, it is ESPN vehicle. And for whatever reason, you have Nixon. Dallas. They're in Dallas and they're gonna start at 9:30. Jalen Brunson upgraded to questionable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who's that? Brunson?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Don LaGreca]

So he had been out. We'll see if maybe he, maybe he plays in his former, former team Telemardu. The original triple distilled, triple blended, triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemardu or try the new Telemore due, honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullimore Dew responsibly. Speaking of the Knicks, Frank, in my old hometown, Ron Konkama wants to speak. Hello, Frank.

[Caller]

Hey, guys. Love the show.

[Don LaGreca]

What's happening?

[Caller]

Yeah, I just got a question. So I see Brunson a lot when he plays. I got like two, two observations. One is, I love Brunson, first of all, but he dribbles a lot and he scores a lot. He's great. But you think he's getting hurt a lot because he's doing all those like, turkey jerky moves. He's trying to fake people all the time. He's handling the ball. I think it's something to do with him like just twisting his ankle a lot.

[Don LaGreca]

Maybe it's just, it's basketball. Like I, I think the, yeah. He stepped on a guy's foot as he was driving to the basket.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Caller]

Yeah, I know.

[Don LaGreca]

It wasn't like he's not doing like some crazy, you know, long stride, Euro stuff.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. He does a lot of stuff off two feet too. So I, I, I don't think it's that.

[Caller]

I Get it?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Caller]

I'm not knocking him. I'm just saying. I just deserve it. So Alan, the other thing I wanted to ask you guys was. It's kind of from last year when the Knicks were looking for like scoring off the bench and they were trying. They were going to go to Westchester. What happened to T.J. warren? He was lightening up. I know he had injury pass Austin. He just like, they just like they never used him.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know.

[Caller]

And then he got pissed off and he left.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, he was in camp. He didn't play much in preseason. Then he went to Westchester and then he just. Nothing happened. They never, they never went there. So Frank, I honestly, I don't know. Have no idea. Jim in Queens. Jim, you're up next.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jimbo.

[Caller]

Yeah. What's up, guys?

[Don LaGreca]

What's up, man?

[Caller]

Listen, I love the iron Glenn media stuff. I listen, Pete just said, you know, just answer the question, man. Don't like, you know. Well, he did. He asked the question. He goes, because I want to. So do you want the fluff nonsense or do you want just a straightforward answer? This guy was a player here.

[Alan Hahn]

He.

[Caller]

Some of the guys covered him when he was a player.

[Don LaGreca]

Rich did.

[Caller]

They're not his friend. He knows they're not his friend.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not about them. If they were your friends, then you really wouldn't have to worry about it. They're not your friends. They're professionals who have a job to do. That includes them needing something to put in the newspaper. Him just saying these two word answers does not help them do their job.

[Caller]

That's not his job to help. No, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His job is to coach it, but his job is to coach the team successfully. That so far is not an option.

[Don LaGreca]

No, no, but, but Jim, hang on. You love it. Don't you want information about your team? Aren't you interested in knowing reasons you don't want information on your team?

[Caller]

There are so many. There are so many outlets to get information that I don't need.

[Don LaGreca]

Jim. No outlet could possibly know what the coaches. Why the coach made a decision because he won't say it. It doesn't matter what outlet you're going to. None of them are going to have his thoughts.

[Caller]

Alan, I watch the games. I want them to win. I don't care about the media.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's your.

[Alan Hahn]

That's your preference and that's fine.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

But all of these leagues have meeting with the media. Mandatory. Have to do it. Yep. Right. So yeah, you can't not do it. So obviously the NFL as big as it is, feels it's important that their coaches and their players are made available to the media so the fans have access. Now, you are a fan that doesn't care about the access, and that's fine. But clearly the NFL cares about it. And there are people who would like to know, what exactly is it that made you go to Tyrod Taylor? Now, we've all seen Fields play poorly, but when you're writing an article, you want to get. Here's the quote from the coach on why and when. Your answer is, because I wanted to. You're being that guy, and it doesn't bother you, but it does bother some people who are trying to do a job. Listen, Rich Samini covers the team. Why? It's his job. But it's also a way for fans to kind of know what's happening because it's not like they're going to get a phone call from the coach telling them what they. Why they do things. I understand that it's dog and pony a lot of times, but how come I get asked by fans all the time, hey, when's Jack Hughes coming back? Why is Markstrom playing poorly? They asked me because I'm the devil announcer and I have access to the coach. I have access to information. Right.

[Don LaGreca]

So you.

[Alan Hahn]

There are people out there that do care. You're not one of those people. But can't you understand there are people that do care about what he thinks about his quarterback.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, yeah, I've dealt with that before where people have said, I don't really care. I don't need to know what the coach is saying. Well, let them just run the team. If you do that and then they run the team into the ground, then you wonder why there's no accountability. That's what we are here for. It's.

[Alan Hahn]

It's so funny. We get all these phone calls from people. I don't care. Yet whenever I was around Michael K, it would always be, hey, why this about the Yankees? Why that about the Yankees? You get asked about the Knicks all the time. Oh, when's Brunson coming back?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. And why do they ask that on the train?

[Alan Hahn]

Because you're close to the team and they're hoping you'll be able to give them information. Yeah, Now I understand the frustration that, yeah, we'll probably get some pap answer from the. I get it. But that's on him. So he gives you misinformation, but now he's giving you no information or he's giving you a snotty answer. Like, because I.

[Don LaGreca]

But it's all.

[Alan Hahn]

But it's all. There's one more BS that for some reason fans fall in love with because they think that makes a good coach. No, it makes a good coach winning games. There's also.

[Don LaGreca]

There's also one other thing I'd like to add to all that, which is of course what you do now is lead us to speculate. And that part, they hate that, Alan, because it becomes, while you were speculating and then I just say, well, I had to because your coach didn't give me any insight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So what else am I going to do?

[Don LaGreca]

Speculate. Okay, he saw that Justin Field sucks, but that's also. He made a change.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I never said that.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, you didn't say anything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don LaGreca]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Here, more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.