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Don Hahn
Where do we stand on Sus Hahn?
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Alan Hahn
It's lame. It needs Viagra and Rosenberg.
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Peter Rosenberg
I'm gonna lift my shirt up, take my pants down and shake it all around.
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Don Hahn
This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.
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ESPN New York
This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg on 880 ESPN and the ESPN New York app.
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Don Hahn
Happy Friday, everybody. Don Hahn and Rosenberg on another big Nick day. It's a game day, guys. Game two, Eastern Conference finals. Of course, we've got Allen on location at the Garden and we get ready for a big holiday weekend. But fellas, it's hard not to think about what game two and what lies ahead for this Knicks team. I think it's so gargantuan. But other than that, how are you guys?
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Alan Hahn
Hey, I'm ready to go. And I'm just going to set a tone now by saying, no negativity, not today.
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Peter Rosenberg
I'm going to set its own. Back to.
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Alan Hahn
Alan, who's that guy?
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Peter Rosenberg
Don, because he was saying something on the call and I understand what he's saying in terms of like, why do we have to go there? But like, if you don't, if you don't speculate, negativity is required when not for the sake of saying, oh, I think they're going to lose. Because I don't, I don't, I feel good about their, their outcome tonight, but I think we do have to be realistic about what they're facing here. And you hope that somewhere in their mind they're realistic about what they're facing. Going into a game like tonight, like you're supposed to have, you should feel like you're back is if it's not at the wall, it's certainly going to feel like your backs against the wall. If you lose tonight, that's a reasonable thing to think.
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Alan Hahn
There's no question it's a must win. Like, there's no question. I'm not doubting any of that stuff. I think what I'm trying to say though is we spend a lot of time talking about the what if things go terrible Right. Versus the. What needs to be done to get back on track, you know, and what like I've obviously preparing for pregame tonight. I've had to do a lot of review off of game one. It was not fun to watch and go through that last part of the game and there were just, there was, there were at least three moments as I watched and I just said, oh my God. Like that's just stupid. Like there are things that just are like that, that was dumb. Like that doesn't happen. That doesn't happen. So you feel like after reviewing everything and also from hearing from the players yesterday after practice, there is that sense of like for the most part, like played well. Like, it's just stupid things that like understand what, what, what niece Smith did has never happened in NBA playoff history. Ever. Six threes in the fourth quarter, five straight in the last three minutes. Nobody's ever done that. So it's not as if like what I saw in the Thunder last night against Minnesota, that's all they've done all year. Like, do you know that's their 60th double digit win of the season? Crazy 60 boys regular season and playoffs. They have done this all year. So Minnesota goes back home now down 2 0. And like for them it's like, how the hell do we figure this out? How do, like how do you stop that? They are just an absolute monster right now. Do you know what the over under is? There's a prop out now on that series on the Thunder. I should say not the series over under in the rest, for the rest of the playoffs, two and a half losses. What would you take? I might go under.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, I might go under two.
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Alan Hahn
I think they might only lose two more one here. You know, the Denver Nuggets took him to seven. But I just, what you see left and what they look like. Damn.
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Don Hahn
I know. But things happen, right?
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Alan Hahn
So Minnesota is the one that's, you know, like they're in that spiral. They're, they're right now circling the drain, like just trying to survive, see, figuring out how can we turn the series around. Because what they're doing plays against everything. Like Minnesota is a high turnover team and the Thunder take turnovers and beat you to death with them. So that's, that's where you're like, we got to figure something out for the Knicks. This is just like you said, Don, it's a brilliant statement. I might even steal it and use it tonight.
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Don Hahn
Go ahead.
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Alan Hahn
The Knicks have to, have to win. Basically have to win five games now because you Got to consider that as close to a win as you could possibly have, they played well enough to win. They didn't, you know, they got to win four more.
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Don Hahn
Listen, I wanted the jumping off point for me and you didn't bring it up in the meeting, and I'm glad you didn't because then it might, I might have lost a little bit of my thunder off of the comment you made that, you know, no negativity. I think you feel how you feel. You know, I'm not going, I'll make this statement. I'm not going to fault anybody for being worried. I'm not going to fault anybody for feeling like I think the Knicks can still win this series. I think both can be true, but I'm not going to sit there and, and tell fans, don't worry. No, you're good unless you feel that way. I think that was a bad loss in game one, and I think you got to respect the opponent. But if you're nervous, I think you have every right to be nervous of what happened and how good this Pacer team is and all that. So if you're feeling it right now, we're here for you. We want the Knicks to win. Obviously that's good for everybody's bread and butter here in New York. But, you know, my job is, isn't to wave the pom poms, it's to how I feel about this team. And I'm very curious to see. Nobody is saying how they're going to respond.
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Alan Hahn
Nobody's saying pom poms.
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Don Hahn
You're negative, be negative. But. And if you're positive, be positive. But I think anybody that thinks the Knicks are dead are foolish because they haven't paid attention to this team and how good this team is and, and their bounce back ability, if that's an actual word, to be able to still, you know, get this series even and go to Indiana tied at one. So I don't believe they're dead. But anybody who says, like, don't worry, we're going to win the next four, I think that's foolish too, because that's not respecting your opponent and the idea that Indiana won that game out of complete fluke and they'll never be able to duplicate that again, have not paid attention to what the Pacers have been basically since the first of the year and how dominant they've been over the last 30 games when they have a record of 24, 6. So I just think that I'm very curious to see how this is all going to go because I Don't think there's a right or wrong answer, guys. You want to feel good, feel good. You want to feel bad, feel bad. I don't think either's wrong, but I think anything said definitive about what this team is going to do, negative or positive, is just a. It's a grasp. It's just a hope.
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Alan Hahn
It's a grasp.
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Don Hahn
Because I don't know what to expect tonight. I don't.
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Alan Hahn
No, no. I have. Look, nobody knows what to expect. It's because it's not scripted. That's the best thing about sports. It's also the worst thing about sports. Like you can go to a concert, you can go to a Broadway show. You know it's going to be good. You know how it's going to end. You know you're going to leave happy for the most part. You expect to leave happy. This, this is, it's up for grabs. You don't know. I think what I'm trying, first of all, I'm not trying to talk about pom poms, boys. I'm not, I'm. This is not what I'm talking about. What I'm saying is, is that when you go into a series like this with teams that are matched up and they know each other well, I look at it like this is a, this is a seven game series, a legit one.
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Don Hahn
Mm.
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Alan Hahn
I think it's going the distance. So I don't like the game to game overreaction of the one loss turns into the sky is falling. Like that's what. When I say like the no negativity thing, it's like, can we just. Let's just focus on where they are right now, who they're playing and what's next instead of the sky is falling. Well, you lose this all over. Like, like that to me is. I feel like a lot of times we trend that way. I don't mean we as a show. I'm talking about people, fans.
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Peter Rosenberg
This is what we do. New York, New York fans, New York, we.
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Alan Hahn
It's the minute one thing goes wrong. It's. It's all over. We did it in the Detroit series. They lost one game. They remember they lost game two. And it's like, wow, you know, you lose in Game 3, it's all. And the same thing happened with Boston. It's just something we tend to do. And I want everybody to just understand, this is game one. This is going to be a seven game series. And if I'm wrong, I'll be the first to say, you know what I read this wrong, but I feel like they're so evenly matched and what happened at the end of Game one was historic. And so like this is setting up to be what could be an epic, typical Knicks Pacer series that we'll be talking about years to come.
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Peter Rosenberg
I think the best way to think about the difference in what you're saying is it's okay to speculate on the importance of this game, to not be delusional about how good a team Indiana is, to talk about all of it. But what you don't want to do is go into this with some sliver of that were the Knicks, you know, how this is going to turn out mentality that that sort of Mets fan, as Don would put it, loving their own sadness mentality that I think is a fair thing to not do today with a team that's yet to lose two in a row, with a team that basically dominated and dominate but was in control of most of that game that required perfect play from the Pacers to lose a miracle shot that you're never going to see again happening. There's reason. Aside from the fact that the result was an absolute gut punch, there's no reason to think, Don, that they can't turn around and win tonight.
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Don Hahn
Oh, there's no reason not to think that at all. But there's a couple of things at play here, like listening to the shows and knowing Nick fans is that, oh, don't worry, we're going to bounce back. I think you will. But you know, this team hasn't accomplished anything either. I mean, when we were analyzing the Celtics and obviously we were wrong, it's like, hey, they got a heart of a champion. They've won, they've been there, they got the T shirt so they can bounce back from those two losses at home because they've got a heart of a champion. This team hasn't done anything like that. They've done some nice things and I think they're a very resilient team. But I'm just as curious as the next guy exactly how this is all going to go down. They've got no pedigree. They've got no history of being able to rattle off a bunch of wins in championships. They've shown some resiliency here during the regular season and in the postseason, and I like the way they play, but, you know, it's still kind of hoping they're going to be able to bounce back. And to your point, Peter, I think it's kind of foolish to talk about, well, look how it went down in 94 or 95. And, you know, look how it went down. That's history. Those guys are gone. That's dead. That doesn't mean anything. You know, so there's a lot of stuff in play here that I'm not sure really has any kind of tangible meaning. The history of the Knicks not being able to win, to me, does not apply to this series. These are new players, new coach, new management, new vibe around this team. So that's unfair, but it's also unfair to now, like, hand them this. This narrative that we can do this. Well, show me, you know, beating the Pistons, you know, the way that they did, that was. That was nice. They showed some adversity and they overcame it. You know, in Boston, they took care of business against the Boston team. But now, now we'll see what they can do against the Indiana Pacers. But I don't. Allen, I don't know that this team can do it. That's no ordinary loss. You can tell me how they lost games to the Pistons, how they lost to the Boston when they were up, you know, two games to none and came back to Madison Square Garden and let the Celtics back into the series. Those were losses. This was. This was not your ordinary loss, right?
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. This was because you feel like you were the culprit. And why. Why you lost.
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Don Hahn
Exactly.
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Alan Hahn
And. And I. And I. That's why, like the. Again, watch. When I watch it back. Yes, of course, there was the soft defense. There was, you know, Anunoby staying. Staying in the paint or at least at the foul line, and letting Naismith walk into one of those threes that he hit where. Where you knew he'd already hit three in a row. Like, why would you even let him walk in?
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Don Hahn
Right?
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Alan Hahn
You know, like, it's stupid things, like little things that are just. That make you crazy, the missed free throws, but it's also epic shit. Like, it was just. This guy's nuts. Like, this is crazy what's happening. So that's why, for me, there were times where I almost started to laugh. Like, this is ridiculous. You know? And that's all I'm saying again, look, anything can happen. But I will say there is. Over the last three years, since Brunson got here, there is more of a track record of answering the bell and than failing to. You gotta admit that. So I think they should, at some point, earn a little bit of the benefit of the doubt. But you know what, though? This team answers the bell, they have, you know, they've done it in certain situations. Last Year, the only reason why they couldn't answer the bells, they had nobody left.
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Don Hahn
Oh, of course.
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Alan Hahn
And if you want to make fatigue a thing, it's a thing that the Pacers keep talking about, man, they think they're going to outlast the Knicks because they played 10 guys.
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Don Hahn
Well, that's.
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Alan Hahn
Halbert was saying it last night, yesterday. So that's something also, if you want to discuss that's on the table as well. Those are the fears. But I don't fear this team not showing up.
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Don Hahn
But, but, no, but we'll, you know, we'll see as far as like how much damage that loss mentally to them eventually winning the series. And go back to Tim Legler, we had him on yesterday and he really squelched that whole narrative of, you know, you know, the Knicks were dominant before the final minute of the game. Like he talked about how competitive that game was. And yes, the Knicks did take control with the bench and eventually did have those big, you know, double digit leads. But for three quarters this was a close matchup and I expect the same thing tonight, so we'll see. And because, because I can throw back at you. Well, I don't expect Brunson sitting on the bench and having the be and having that bench come on and be as dominant as they were in game one if that were to happen again, you know, so the fact is it's two very evenly matched teams. The thing that worries me is, is like I've said, they got to win five now because that was the game you're supposed to win and didn't and we'll see how they're going to be able to bounce back. But I, I, I just don't feel, and you're a lot closer to it me, you know, these players you're around, you go to and you know, I'd.
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Alan Hahn
Be traveling like, like, you know that I'd be dead honest with you about, like I, you know, I don't, I don't like what I see. Like again, I'm looking at that, that game last night and I was a big believer in Minnesota. I thought that series was gonna go seven. And I watched game one and I started to have a crisis in confidence about that. And then last night cinched it for me. This thing, this thing's over probably been five. Like the Minnesota just can, their turnover issue is a major issue. So I, I could, like, I can see it once I see the games and then I can change my mind. I didn't see something last night that, that put me in this mode of. I don't know if this. I don't know if the Knicks can beat this team. No, I feel like they can. But I also know it's not going to happen in four games or five games. It's going to take seven. You're going to lose at maximum, you're going to lose three games and three. So three times we're going to be like, oh, no, you have that same feeling, but one of them you just gave away. That's the dangerous part.
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Don Hahn
And to your point, if we're playing in a game seven, this series should have been over.
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Alan Hahn
Correct.
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Don Hahn
If you believe in the fallacy.
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Alan Hahn
No, you're right.
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Don Hahn
Outcome. You're right, you know, there shouldn't be a game seven. We should have finished them off in six, and now we got to play game seven because what we didn't do in game one.
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Alan Hahn
And how much does that cost you? Even if you get out of this series, in a finals against what is it going to be? A juggernaut in the thunder, how much will that cost you? That extra time, the extra. Whatever it is. That's the stuff I worry about is what you just said. If you have to go to seven, is there something that happens along the way that costs you and makes you go, you know, like, like I thought last year, if they had gotten that game three, if Nemar doesn't hit that crazy shot, would they even need a game seven? And would they maybe have survived the series with less injuries, but because they couldn't close out that game three, the whole series flipped and it cost them later on. That's game one I worry about, as you just said, later in the series.
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Don Hahn
So how you feeling? 1-800-919-3776 I'm. I was curious for a game two we talk about in these best of sevens, the game three is the swing game and maybe it will be. But after what happened and pretty much a short turnaround, we'd had to wait a bunch of time. We had the day off, now right back to work again. Just how both these teams, how the Pacers handle the prosperity of dodging that bullet and how resilient they've been throughout the playoff, how hot they've been. So it's all, it's all our pinhead suit. John Winthrop said he thinks the team that wins this game wins the series. I can't go there. I can't. I just think there's too much. I'm with you. I think it's a longer series.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's likely.
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Don Hahn
Listen, if The Knicks lose. I think they're in trouble. All right. Not going to say they're dead, but they're in trouble. I can't say Knicks win tonight. They're definitely winning the series because you still got to go to Indiana, which is a hostile environment for the next two. And who knows what's going to happen? But I'm not willing to go there. But I am willing to say this is a humongous game, too.
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Alan Hahn
Yes, humongous.
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Don Hahn
I'm with you on that 1-800-919-3776. Let's get to the busy phones because people want to talk about this, obviously. And let's start with Gil in Brooklyn. You're on. Don Hanna, Rosenberg. What's up, Gil?
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Caller
What's going on, guys? Alan, I'm gonna just ask you this quick question before I get to that point. You in that locker room, you talk to these guys. You talk to Tibs.
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Alan Hahn
Who.
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Caller
Who is pissed off after that game, Is there anybody, Anybody that's pissed off? If I hear the phrase, go back and watch tape, watch and make adjustments one more time, I'm going to break whatever I'm watching or listening to. Who's pissed off?
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Alan Hahn
I can promise you, Gil, no one is more pissed off about that game than Jalen Brunson. No one. Now, you're seeing. You're seeing him talk to the media in a much different tone, because that's what he does. He's a lot like Aaron Judge and Derek Jeter. He's never going to show you any of that. But trust me when I tell you there was no one more pissed off after that game than him. Because he prides himself on closing games. And he was 1 for 3 with three turnovers. He never does.
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Caller
That's the. That's the problem. Instead of pushing it down, let it out. Let them know. Let the people know. Let the medium know that you're pissed off. Did you see how they mocked the Knicks at the game ended?
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Alan Hahn
There's always pissed me off.
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Caller
And you could let it be normal.
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Alan Hahn
You're right. But see, here's. And I get what you're saying. I'm all about that, too. I'm the same. You know, that was something I always liked. When you saw somebody pound the table and say things and you feel like, okay, they're as mad as we are. But I also understand these guys a little differently and understand that if you do that, guess what? You're showing the Pacers, man, we got them rattled already. Yeah, it's game one. Look how mad he is already. Now listen, that's why you're not going to see that out of Jalen Brunson.
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Peter Rosenberg
I'm with the general attitude about it and I think that no matter what anyone tells me about the kind of guy Aaron Judge is, I actually believe one of the shortcomings of this team that would probably about the Yankees. Now that, that to me is one of the shortcomings of the last five year Yankees is that they don't actually get that way. So it's a, to me that is a legitimate and real criticism. But after you made it to the conference finals, you've generally been playing great ball. You just upset maybe the best team in the whole thing after one game to be acting like things are falling apart in spite of it being a heartbreaking game. I think the appropriate attitude there is just shock and dismay, which is what they showed. Now if it were to happen again or you know, Jalen Brunson has an opportunity and they just make stupid mistakes in a kick away game too. All right, we could have a conversation. But it would, it would have been rushed if after one game, regardless of how it happened, he's freaking out at the podium. Yeah, I don't think that's the right look.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. And it's not his way. It's definitely not his way.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, I hope it's, I do hope it's someone's way in there if the moment happens.
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Alan Hahn
And you heard Towns, he had and he's the nicest guy in the world, but someone asked him about the history of Knicks Pacers and how that game ended and what. And he's just like, we're not, we don't, we're not paying attention to what happened in the past. We're trying to make our own history. But he said it nicely, but there was definitely attitude in the reply. So I mean, take, take it what you want, but I don't think that.
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Don Hahn
Was also a shot at Halliburton. Wasn't it just like, yeah, you know, let him live in the history. I'm here to make history.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, we live history. Right? Exactly.
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Don Hahn
And I think that was a direct shot at like Halliburton can honor what happened way back in 95. I lived 30 years ago.
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Alan Hahn
I promise you that at some point during this series, if, you know when the Knicks get a dub, I don't think you'd do it tonight. If they get a win in Indiana, I'm sure there'll be a little something from Brunson or even Towns.
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Don Hahn
You'll, you'll see a little something 1-800-919-3776. Fraud alert Friday coming up at 4:30 enn at 6. This is the willet of the land here because we do go to Mets coverage at 6:30, but we're going to be on 10:50 from 6:30 to 7 leading you up into our coverage of Game 2 between the Knicks and the Pacers because we don't stop.
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Alan Hahn
Don, I like it. You were dragging everybody with us over there because you know that's where the Knick game is going to be.
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Don Hahn
And if you got the app, then you're just blinking. You're blinking into the sky going, I don't know what they're talking about. I'm enjoying everything without any interruption. Such a good point on Don Hahn and Rosenberg on 880 ESPN New York and the ESPN New York app.
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Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
For the team ready.
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Alan Hahn
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ESPN New York
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Peter Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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ESPN New York
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Don Hahn
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, it's amazing.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, listen, a couple things here. Number one, what did you say the high was tomorrow?
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Don Hahn
Tomorrow the high is 65.
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Peter Rosenberg
Okay. For regular walking around life, it's, it's not bad. You know what I mean? For a, for a Memorial Day barbecue. It's not, it's not anything to write home about first, you know, but I, you know, let's see, let's see. For my Beyonce Sunday, it'll be It'll probably be 54 degrees, but anyways, how about this? Speaking of when we get back, guys, this is just officially been locked in. Tuesday night, Jake's Dilemma on the upper west side. 430Amsterdam Avenue on the upper West I am hosting an official station watch along presented by our friends@tullamore.com everything gets started around 7:30 and I will be hanging out all night for the game watching your New York Knicks against the Indiana Pacers. That's game four Tuesday night, Jake's Dilemma, Upper west side Tullamore do shot specials. So much more. We're going to have a time. I might even drag the wife out of the house, get a babysitter and do things up. So that's Tuesday night.
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Don Hahn
All right. Looking forward to that man. All over game four by Tuesday, huh? It's quick crazy. Where are we gonna be? What's the mood gonna be? Yeah, could be anything.
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Alan Hahn
I might be in a different mood by.
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Don Hahn
Allen's working his tail off. I mean just so much going on but the fans living and dying with all this. 1-800-919-3776. Mel in Queens, you're on. Don Hahn and Rosenberg.
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Caller
Hey, good afternoon y' all.
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Don Hahn
So what's up?
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Caller
Before you know this series started, we have four rising stars left and everybody was questioning is the best player left remaining you know, in these final four. And you know, some people be like Jalen Brunson but his defenses and all that. But right what I my main point is to all that Jalen Brunson topped the list with Kobe Bryant, Steph Curry and Michael Jordan for like the most points in like the first two series or the first two 10 games or something like that. Yeah, but still, but still you've been calm and even kill. I've been watching him. I'm like, yo, some of these things that he's doing, like I would lose my mind voice, you know, be so excited. And what we seen the other night, this man hits six threes, bro. Six threes. You know, you might never see nothing like that ever again. They say some stat like this only happened one time out of like you know, one in a million or whatever happened as a basketball thing, you know.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah. Look, you just sometimes it's. It does come down to that where you just. A guy just has a moment and you just tip your cap because they were dead in the water until he started making threes and the Knicks didn't think to cover him. Like it was Derek White. If you remember in the Celtics series it would remember first, first quarter of game five, was it like where he just, did he go five or five or six, whatever it was, I just.
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Peter Rosenberg
First five threes.
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Don Hahn
It was insane.
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Alan Hahn
It was like, is anybody going to guard this dude? Then game six, they were blanketing him. Like they didn't let him get free. So I just feel like that, like that's at that maddening moment, but you just tip your cap. But we also forget, like, it's amazing. Jalen Brett's at a 43 point game. He has the most 40 point games in the playoffs in Knicks history. Nobody's had more 40 point performance than him. This is three years in, so it is a lot of good because of how it ended. It's obviously bad taste in the mouth and you know, all right, Jalen, do it again. Which is kind of what you say to stars every time they lose in the playoffs. Do it again. Anthony Edwards hearing about it in Minnesota right now. Yeah, he had a 30 point game and everybody's mad at him.
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Don Hahn
So I do it again.
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Alan Hahn
That's it exactly.
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Don Hahn
Doesn't matter. It doesn't matter who just, you know, as a team, just win, baby. Out a way to win, you know, style points. Just with this late in the season, no style points. Just get the dub. Greg in Smithtown. You're on ESPN New York.
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Caller
Don Alan. Peter, how are you?
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Don Hahn
What's up?
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Alan Hahn
Hey, Greg.
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Caller
Just, I mean, what better way to start a holiday weekend with the Knicks game too? I think the worst thing that could happen is the Knicks changing the way they played after game one, literally two minutes into the game. Pacers don't miss. Literally two minutes at the end of the game. The Pacers don't miss. I think to overreact would be the worst thing in the world because you play your game, you outplayed them for most of that game. What happened in game one is not going to happen in game two. I think we all can agree with that. So if you go into game two with a positive outlook and say, hey, that is what it is, let's just focus on what game two can bring. And I feel like the confidence has to be high going into game two because what happened in game one is not going to happen.
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Alan Hahn
So I think Boston might have said that after game one.
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Don Hahn
And also Greg maybe not hitting the ball at the back of the rim and climbing to the, to the roof of Madison Square Garden in an all net, but this team has what, three previous times they've come back from seven points down in the final minute of games. It. Craig, it's scary. It's kind of what they do. There's no way to live. But, you know, the way it happened. I agree, you know, with the goal 10 not getting called and the different calls going their way and the way the ball bounced.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
But Alan, correct me if I'm wrong, they kind of made a living. This is of winning games this way.
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Alan Hahn
You're 100% right. This is who they are. This who they've been in the playoffs. They've done it in every series. There's one game where they win it in the last five seconds or force overtime. Like they are. Just that's who they are. And you have to know that. And so change anything. No. But yes, defensively at the start. Be better defensively at the end.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's funny, I don't know how you guys felt. So as it's all happening, I'm watching the game and I'm going, all right, well, you don't want that. All right, they got another three. You don't want that. Okay, well, somehow it's eight. It's back to nine. Okay, it's eight. You don't want that. It's seven. Okay, it's five.
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Alan Hahn
Right.
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Peter Rosenberg
I still, the whole time go. They're not gonna get all of these things that need to happen to happen, like free throw.
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Alan Hahn
Right.
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Peter Rosenberg
There's too many things. And I. That's why the disbelief was so crazy was that every single one happened, including a shot that I see hit back iron and leave the screen and go, well, at least they didn't get that one. And it falls through.
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Alan Hahn
It was the ultimate Murphy's Law. Whatever could go wrong went wrong.
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Peter Rosenberg
That really is. It really was that.
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Don Hahn
But also, you know, to take it out of the basketball God's hands, the what we thought was a three turned out to be a two. And you scored the first two buckets of overtime.
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Alan Hahn
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
You know, that was no fluke. I mean, you. You had them.
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Alan Hahn
Yep.
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Don Hahn
You had them multiple times. They. That. That's the warning that everybody's got to know. You know, when you decide, oh, we're up 10 with five to go. I'm going to go, you know, you know, check what the weather is this weekend, then that's on you because it's not over. And I think the Knicks knew that. Allen mentioned that before the series started. Don't. That they're going to be the team that's going to come back from 20 down the way the Knicks did in the first two games of the Celtics series.
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Alan Hahn
Don't take a big look and think you're going to coast.
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Don Hahn
Both of these teams are money in the fourth. You know, both of these teams are not going to look at any deficit and feel like the game is over. So yeah, a lot of things broke the Pacers way. But there was a lot of things you got to blame the Knicks on too. They had their foot on their throat a couple of times, didn't finish them off. So hopefully they learn their lesson because as long as this like a zombie, you got to shoot them in the head. You know they're going to take every body shot but they're going to keep coming scary. And the Knicks are that way too. That's what makes the series so much fun because neither team, both teams want it real bad. Let's go to Mark and Carmel. You're on ESPN New York.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
Hi.
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Caller
Good afternoon guys. I was just wondering if people you know are talking about how the Knicks failed at the end of the game. But if you go back Thibodeau in Minnesota, he is known for losing leads in third and fourth quarters. In 2018 he lost 22 games with double digit leads. 15, 11 games with 15 points or more. So and when the team looks scattered, I think Thibodeau that he coaches scared. That's why he leaves his players in at the end of the game when he has big leads. He's never recovered from losing all those games and then that translates to the players and the players panic and he panics. So I think you really have to look at Thibodeau to calm the players down at the end of the game because he's the one who is panicking. Thank you.
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Don Hahn
I don't know was it panic or just poor execution. I think there was panic on that on the ob dunk. They were lost on that play. But was a panic. Alan.
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Peter Rosenberg
Alan, I know what your thoughts are.
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Alan Hahn
Just let's move on. Let's move on. I would say just move on.
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Peter Rosenberg
It wasn't.
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Alan Hahn
It was move on. Please move on. You got to be kidding me.
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Don Hahn
Peter.
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Alan Hahn
Peter, you gotta be.
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Don Hahn
I don't want to give up. I don't want to give up too much. I don't want to blow up Allen spot.
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Alan Hahn
Just please.
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Don Hahn
But there was something that happened during the show yesterday that Peter, I believe just happened. Yeah. Where we. We lose Alan. I don't want to lose Alan.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. And by the way, it's very hard. It's almost hard to guess what things gonna do it.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. I didn't see it coming there but now I now it kind of Makes sense.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, I mean, listen, the, the leads blown set. People have a right to pull out that stat when you have a loss that bad. They do. It may not. It may have nothing to do with that.
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Alan Hahn
Eight years ago.
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Peter Rosenberg
A history of not being able to protect leads.
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Alan Hahn
Is that a history or is that eight years ago, one time with a Minnesota team that was a 48 win. Sort of. Okay team.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, but it wasn't one time. It was throughout a whole year.
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Alan Hahn
One time for a season. I never knew this to be a reputation of his. I don't know. I'm. I'm really trying, like, honestly, but like you, I don't want to be that guy. But I feel like there are times like. Like he has won 42 playoff games. I'm sorry, he's. He's had 42 playoff games. He's won 22 of them. He. He has played 42 playoff games. Coached him with the Knicks. 42. He coached five in Minnesota. In the 42 with the Knicks. How many times did you say, ah, they had a big lead and blew it? There goes Tibbs again. Do you, do you ever remember that being a conversation ever?
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Peter Rosenberg
No, that has not been the narrative on.
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Alan Hahn
But he had five games in a playoffs in Minnesota and one and a half seasons or two and a half seasons. So is like, that's why I just like, this is what we're going to do. But by the way, 2018 was the only year they made the playoffs.
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Don Hahn
But this is what I've been telling you, that there are people out there that are. They can't wait against him.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, they can't wait. Yeah, I know, I know, Don. I know what's coming. And when it. And when it does, I'm calling in sick because you got it. Like, like you can't keep moving the goal posts on a coach that has had. Like, you can't. Well, if they don't get out of the first round against Detroit, he should be fired. If they don't beat the Celtics after they, after you go up to. Oh, he should be fired. Now it's. What? Now what is it?
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Peter Rosenberg
Now it's game one.
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Alan Hahn
He should be fired.
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Don Hahn
And I'll tell you, if the Pacers keep up this pace and the Knicks at all look tired, you don't think the minutes police.
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Alan Hahn
Oh, my God, Don. It's true. And the Pacers know exactly what scab to pick. They are. Halliburton's already talking about it. Carlisle is talking about it. They are putting it out there already. They want it to. They want it to be part of the conversation because they want it to be the distraction. That's what they're smart. You know, JB Bickerstaff was telling me the other day on Get up off the Air, he said, carlisle's so good at the mental warfare in his postgames because he doesn't get emotional. He's very monotone, but he just drops little things in there that, you know, are just, they're just gonna fester and they're gonna create havoc on the other side. It's all mental warfare. And it's, again, it's, it's his experience. He's the most experienced coach left in the playoffs. No, and he, he has a ring as well.
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Don Hahn
And he is outstanding. And he's a, he's a major player in this thing for sure.
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Peter Rosenberg
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Alan Hahn
But no, no, I feel what you're saying because they've been playing really well and I got to give props, by the way, because I've been tough on this dude. But Carlos Rodone this year has pitched like an ace.
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Don Hahn
He's good.
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Alan Hahn
He had a great outing yesterday. But he's been, I mean Freed has been amazing. Freed, Cy Young level right now. But Rodon has been great. That, that. Think about the losses with Heel out and obviously Cole for the year. You would think that they would have gone into the absolute tank, but they have figured it out. Will Warren's been pretty steady who's the Ryan Yarborough. He's been good. They found him off the scrap heap. He's been good. So they have figured out this rotation. And I got to give, probably. I got to give credit where credit's due. Rodon has been good. It's not even gotten into warm weather yet. When he really does pitch well, I give him credit.
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Don Hahn
And, you know, listen, I know the Giants have lost to the Rockies. The Padres have lost. I'm just saying that they're on a roll right now. And I know the games are in Colorado 8 and 42. You realize the White Sox lost a record 121 games last year, and through 50 games, there were 15 and 35. This team's 8 and 42. I mean, this is gonna. They're gonna lose 130 games unless something wacky happens. So it is not gonna feel good to lose to that team. So I fully expect the Yankees to keep things going, and we'll see if Soto decides to. Never mind hit the ball. How about swing the bat? That would be nice. So those are topics. And also shout out to Billy Joel. Just. He's going through a lot physically, and we'll do more of it on Ennis, but I don't know if they're. And Peter might disagree because he's way into, you know, the hip hop and all that. But when I just think the overreach of sports and music, there is more of a connection, I think, than Billy Joel from all different generations. From the. From the sports fan that he is, the stadiums that he has played in, from his residency at Madison Square Garden to closing Shea Stadium. He had a concert at Yankee Stadium coming up that was. That's going to be postponed because of his illness and the amount of sports fans that love and connect to Billy Joel. And he's so quintessential New York. I don't think it's misplaced at all during a sports show, you know, to wish him the best and hope that we get a chance to hear him again. But at 76, what he's going through, it sounds like it's. It's pretty tough, but hopefully he'll recover and it won't be the last we hear from Billy Joel.
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Alan Hahn
He's one of the greatest talents to come out of Long island ever. Like, he is. He is. Really.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's a great top five for Don.
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Alan Hahn
I mean, that is. But, like, he's. He's right up there. I mean, one of the great talents to ever come out of Long island.
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Peter Rosenberg
And it's you know, he's his. The sports talk, the sports angle. Don is an interesting one. Thinking about where he is among, like musicians connected to sports. He has a solid amount of stadium sports ref and no sports references.
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Alan Hahn
Well, of course, yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
I mean, in his. Like the way he includes New York sports and sports in general in his. I mean, the song Zanzibar is basically just one repeated sports reference after another. But listen, in some ways it's a little bit like the Biden diagnosis we saw the other day in that when you read it, the headlines are very. Oh, my God. When you dig into it, it is troublesome because especially at all these dates planned.
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Don Hahn
Right.
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Peter Rosenberg
But I think he's gonna be okay, I guess. Yeah, we're gonna have to find out whether they can get this under control and he can perform again because Obviously, you know, 76 is not young, but he still sounded so good in person. I saw him a year ago. He was still great. So, yeah, man, a real bummer to see that.
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Don Hahn
1-800-919-3776. Let's back to the busy phones on the Knicks. Let's go to Adam. Staten island, you're on. Don Hunter, Rosa.
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Caller
Hey, guys, just a couple of quick comments, but I'd like to preface it with I think they can win tonight. I think they can win the series. But this narrative of like, everything broke for the Pacers to win that game, everything had to go, right? They gave a guy who averages 12 points in the regular season six three point shots that were wide open. That's it. I mean, you know, Clyde Frazier, at the end of the games when they have a lead, always says, what does he always say? No three pointers, no fouls. Right. How do they allow that?
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Alan Hahn
Yeah, it's mind boggling. Now, keep in mind, he does shoot 42% from three. Like, he's become a good three point shooter. So he's on the scattering port. It's not like, hey, go under on him. It's okay. So that's what I don't get. And if you want to talk about the mental part and fatigue part, did they soften up at that point because they were taking the three away? That's. You know what, Adam? It blows my mind how all of a sudden they just stopped defending the three at the worst possible time. And that guy got hot.
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Caller
And I'm not. And I'm not a person who I like Thibodar as a coach, he's gotten us to the playoffs every year, and now he's got us to the eastern Conference finals, but I don't know who that's on. Where. When do you call a timeout? They did three point shots.
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Alan Hahn
Well, they had timeouts.
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Caller
And how do you allow that to continue? But the other point I want to make, though is this negative Knicks fan kind of thing. I think you mentioned that earlier, Alan. This is not a loss like a regular loss in a playoff series where you, where, you know, the Knicks lose a playoff game and you get down on them and you're overly negative. This is a loss of epic proportion that, and I mentioned this before, if they don't win the series, it becomes a historic, of course, so much more pressure as a fan and as a player. But from a fan's perspective, I feel like you don't want to be a part of a team you root for that is on the wrong side of history, you know, so that's how I feel. But I do think they can win tonight. I do think they can win the series. I do think that a better team still, so.
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Alan Hahn
Right. Well, Adam, it's, it's, it's. Everything you said there is, is all the right way to put it, you know, all correct. And, you know, that's when you think about the history of it and you think about the past and how that, you know, you need what happened in game six in 94 when John Starks just made sure they were getting back for a game seven. Like, that's kind of the attitude that you got to see tonight. Who's going to be the guy that makes sure this thing's even when it goes to Indiana and make sure that that game doesn't turn into the nightmare that it absolutely was.
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Don Hahn
It's Don, Han and Rosenberg. It's all happening here on 880, ESPN New York and the ESPN New York app.
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