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I gotta divorce my wife and have my kids bleed out.
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No.
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Because the Giant game's on.
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No.
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Otherwise, I'm not a real fan.
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What kind of fan are you?
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Not a good one. And Rosenberg, the Peter haters who call stupid. The Peter fans who call very bright. This is in North Dakota. This is New York.
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This is Don Han and Rosenberg.
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The best threesome I've ever heard on.
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880 ESPN and the ESPN New York app.
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3 o' clock in the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg. I'm shot out of a cast cannon. A week of vacation coming off the mark. Sasso softball. I have only one knee, but the good thing is my co host, also only on one knee. His second knee is much better than my knee. So between us, we might actually have maybe two and three quarters knees of the four we're supposed to have on the show. How are you, ma'? Am?
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I'm hoping to hear myself. There you go. Now I hear myself better. I'm. I'm think I'm a little bit better than you. I lucked out because it was rounding third that I felt the tweak. And it's that if you've had. I've had three knee surgeries, if you've had as many, if you've gone through it like that, you know what it feels like. And the minute I felt it, it's almost like you have like this, this ptsd, Right. So when I got to home, I don't remember. Did I just go down?
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No.
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Once I crossed home plate, I can't remember what I did.
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Oh, no, no. You knelt down. I thought you were pulling because of the celebrate. You scored the winning run. We won the game. It was. It's tied at 15, going to the bottom of the six, the last inning.
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What a game.
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It's Alan Hahn, Don Legreca, Dan Rosen from NHL.com. right. Right at the meat of the order. And Allen almost hits it out, almost walks it off.
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I hit the.
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I hit the wall again for the second time. And then. And Then I get what I think is going to be the game winning single. But like, Allen struggled around third. He eventually scores on a Dan Rosen hit. He kneels down like Tim Tebow. So I thought he was having like a celebratory moment. I hug him, everybody comes out of the hug, out, we win. And I find out he knelt down not in celebration, but in agony. And then it swelled out upon him on the two and a half hour ride back to Long island from New Jersey. Yeah, somebody always gets hurt. I was on one leg and I've been on one leg all summer because my ACL is really bad.
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You, you were having the Kirk Gibson kind of moments because you were slugging the hell out of it and then just hoofing it out of the box. And I wanted you to have the walk off.
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I wanted to do it. And I hit it hard, but it was on a line drive and it was a base hit.
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I had no chance.
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This is how bad it was. Okay. And thanks to everybody for coming out for the mark. Sasso. But we're getting older now, right? So, you know Greg Buttle, 70. Allen and I are now spring chickens. We're north of 50, and I'm a lot closer to 60 than he is. And I've got my son Marco running for me because I'm on one leg. As anybody saw the video, I just can't move.
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Yeah.
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And Greg's got my nephew Declan running for him. And then Dan's got his son running for him. And then everybody started getting the idea, you know what? If these kids are willing to run, okay, then I'll just have them run. And then they're asking like, Alan wanted the man up and run. And my nephew said, can I run for you? And you're like, if you want.
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And then I hit was the last I bat. He said, can I run for you? I said, okay, if you want. And then when I hit it, I looked up and I thought, okay, this is going to the parking lot. I'm good. I wanted to.
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You wanted to be parked.
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I wanted the jog. I wanted to flex. And so all of a sudden, it's the damn top of the fence. All right, all right.
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But, you know, it was a great time. Thanks for having me.
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It was a lot of fun. It was great to see everybody. I am already looking forward to next year because now I know somebody can run for me.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So it's okay.
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And we were, unfortunately, I'm not going to get into any great detail, a little shorthanded. So Marco Got to play Marco, by.
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The way, I'm going to say this unbiased. He took some rips.
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No, he's got a good swing.
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It's his. The way he approached the plate with a couple of practice swings, I didn't have to like, wonder. I knew right away, like, okay, no, he's got it.
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Maybe I'll send out the tweet. At the one time I was able to get video of him, but what I thought was adorable. He's going to be 8 on December 5th. This is Arc slow pitch softball. Okay.
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Which isn't as easy as you think.
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He. He still wanted to wear his helmet. So he was the only one out there with his helmet because that's because he. When he bats, he wants. We encourage him to wear his helmet. So it's a good habit to have. But he didn't really need it for a slow pitch. And the team that we played against, it was great. Steve Brzezinski was, was a part of that team too. They really got it. So, like, when the kids hit, they let them have their hits.
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Yeah, they.
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They made it a lot of fun, the team that we played. So a lot of money was raised for the Mark Sasso foundation and thanks to Ana for giving us the opportunity to play as usual. But now we get down to the sports of it. And one of the amazing things about baseball is the repetition. And it does sometimes get a little bit. I don't want to say boring because the fans love it. It just. It's repetitious. It's very. It's the same thing all the time with this team. And I go away for a week and I come back and the conversation really hasn't changed. Now it looks good when the Yankees are slugging home runs against the ra but, you know, same old, same old. They lose a three out of four to the Red Sox and they can't beat the really good teams. They can't beat the really good pitchers. And they just don't look, Allen, like a championship caliber team. And now we've seen Volpe out of the lineup yesterday, and he's going to be out of the lineup again today. So they finally kind of woke up there kind of shaking it up just a little bit with him. But Allen, everything that you said earlier that I kind of laughed at and said, what are you worried about? They're going to be the playoffs. They're going to be fine. We get to the end of August and they will be fine in the sense that they're going to make the Playoffs, you know, they're going to be there because that's baseball. And none of these teams are all that great and they've got enough talent like, like this week they're going to play the Nationals and the White Sox, they're going to win their games, they're going to bash their home runs and everything's going to seem okay. But anybody that watches the Yankees the way we do and really pays attention realizes that this team is not close to being a championship caliber team despite what their records going to be and despite where the fact that they're going to be in the second season.
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Well, you said despite what their record is going to be. Baseball reference right now, projecting best case scenarios, 92 and 70. Worst case scenarios, 83 and 79. Like, yeah, okay, so 85% probability they're going to be a wild card team. But Wild Card 3 sets you up in a. Not such, not such a great situation. Wild Card 2 is still think about it. You could end up playing the Astros in the wild card in Houston or you could play the Red Sox in Fenway. Those are houses of horrors for you. Those aren't places that you want to go. Last year's run to the World Series involved two teams that historically are used to smacking around. Right.
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And melt with the pressure of New York and the Yankees.
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There's something about that, yeah, whatever it was. But it is just two teams that you historically have owned. And this time around when you look at the potential of the playoffs. So this is not about, oh, are they going to make the playoffs or not? Because we know the probability is they're going to in some way because now you have all these extra wild card bids. They're in somehow. And I'm still not completely dismissing the idea of the division only because there's still, it's five games, there's still what, 32 games to go. So there's, there's a realistic possibility only because the majority of your schedule is very weak. But there's, there's 13 days in September, actually the first 13 days of September, which, or 14 that I think are really still going to expose the ugly underbelly of what this team really is. And really it's what you saw this weekend, pathetic display of just limp baseball. That's what they looked like, a one nothing game where you get a really good start out of your starter but your offense is completely to a point.
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Like Freed gave you what you needed.
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He gave me the ace you needed. I said on Friday, like you got after what happened Thursday night, like you need this.
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You were right about how big a game that was a must win. You set up the whole weekend. It did.
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And I give Freed credit because he battled in that game. Battled. Now he wasn't great, but he battled. But I mean Crochet was unhittable.
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No, that's a problem.
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And I'm sorry, that was Bayo, that game. Crochet was the next day, which made it even worse because you have Bale Baio was just dealing almost like he was so calm, so comfortable, knew exactly where to pitch them. And the Yankees had just the weakest at bats against them. And then obviously Chapman and what he looks like, he looks like the old Chapman. It's like it just is more evidence that when they play good teams they are now down to 500 against good team. The winning teams, 32 and 32 I believe is the record.
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Right.
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But they, they are just continue to show you who they really are. Because that couldn't have been as I called it down on Friday. I think you were on with us Friday when, when you jumped in with us and I said to you, I know, I said it's Jeff Nelson. It's the first biggest series left of the regular season. It's the first now there's going to be three more and they're in, coming in that 14 day stretch. But you continue to show us who you really are, which is a team that is not up for it. Simple as that. You can't keep saying we got to keep working out, we got to keep working out. We got no, at some point that's who you are. You have a lot of talent which is enough to beat bad teams, but you are not good enough to beat the good teams. And come October that will be exposed. This team will not win a championship this year because they've already shown us they are not built to be a championship team.
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Doesn't feel like it. It certainly doesn't feel like it. But the reason why you hear Aaron Boone all the time, it's all in front of us and trying to maintain positivity is because you're still talking about a team that even though they can't beat The Red Sox, 2 and 8 against the Red Sox and yet only a half game back of Boston and with the Yankees schedule and they've got, they start tonight with the three games against the Nationals, then they take on the White Sox. I mean even the Yankees kicking the ball around.
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What are you getting out of that?
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Getting how many yards?
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There are seven games. How many games well, seven games.
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They're not going to win all seven, so. But they'll, they'll go, they'll go five and two, six and one, something like that.
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Because like I said, getting to 90 wins is still like an important number because you can't. Don't talk to me about World Series. Don't talk. Let's, let's, let's, let's look at like tomorrow. Let's stay focused on right now. Can they be a 90 win team in a, in a season where the sport. As you said, there's so much parity, there's not, no one's running away. Can they get to 90?
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So they'd have to go 20 and 12, right? They got 32 games left, so they got to go 20 and 12.
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So. All right, so. So you've got those seven games we just talked about. Yeah, that's, that's what you're going to give them, five wins. That's five, Right.
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They better at least have five.
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Okay. And then you finish the season after that long stretch where you've got Houston, Toronto, Detroit and Boston all in a row.
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Right.
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Then after that, whatever's left of you, that's 13 games, I believe, to finish the season. Right. Three at Minnesota for a Baltimore. That's seven. Yeah, 13. Three versus the White Sox and then close out with three home against the Orioles. So out of those 13, how many getting.
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So that would probably be, I would think, at least 10.
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10. All right. So that gets you wins.
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That gets you to 85.
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85. So you need five wins.
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And they're not going to lose all those games against the Red Sox and the Tigers and the Blue Jays. So they'll get to 90. They're going to get to 90.
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12 games. You're saying seven and five.
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They. Well, I, well, no, if they go. If they have 85 wins, right. If I, if we, if we took the, all the games outside of the.
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Yeah, I just gave, I gave it a 15.
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Right. Those are right. And they, and then, so how many they would have the nine other games they would.
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Against the Blue jays, you had three against Houston, three against Toronto, three against Detroit, three against Boston.
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Oh, that's the. Sorry. So that's the 12.
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Yeah.
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And we have them.
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You said five wins.
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I said five wins.
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So you're five and seven. You're going to go five and seven in that run.
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In the seven games they have this week, I think they'll win five of them.
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Right? That's, that's five.
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All right, then that gets them 75.
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All right.
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And then the last, how many? 13. Last 13. You should, I think they'll win 10.
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That's 15 games.
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That's 15. That gets them to 85.
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You need five more to get five.
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Out of the 12.
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Right.
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And they should be able to go. You don't think they can go five and seven against those teams? And besides, you're just giving me 90. They could still get 88 and get the wild card. You want 90. From a cosmetic standpoint, they don't need 90.
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That's exactly it.
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Because that's the thing, 300 million dollar.
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Payroll, you should get to 90.
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I agree, I agree. And I'm not even going to throw out what happened in 2000 when they completely wet the bed, had 87 wins and still went out, won the World Series. Okay, you don't need 90. But I think what you do want is to make sure that if you're a wild card team, you'd like to get those three games at Yankee Stadium. You don't want to go to Seattle for three games? Oh, God, no. Not against that. I mean, I know you took care of business at home against them, but Seattle is like almost unbeatable at home. Right? They've been really hot now. I mean, they're 39 and 26, which doesn't look that amazing. But still lately they've been very good.
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Don, the most likely scenario right now, as it's played out again, Baseball reference, they do every day, they do 10,000 simulations of the rest of the season every day. So they, and they update their probabilities. And the most likely scenario of the first round will be Yankees at Boston in the wild card. I, again, I'll be the most likely.
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Scenario just because the Yankees have the easiest schedule now. I'm sure Boston has an easy schedule too. They're in the same division like, like Boston, they're, they state they're going to be in Baltimore. So as the Yankees are beating up on the Nationals, you would think that the Red Sox would beat up on the Orioles, but we'll see. Yeah, but my overall point is, is that the Yankees, and we'll throw the Mets into the conversation too. At 1-800-919-3776 do not look like championship teams, but who does? Now the Red Sox own the Yankees, but are the Yankees a champ? The Red Sox a championship team, they're tied for the most errors in baseball. Right? They beat the Yankees, but they only have a half game lead on the Yankees despite winning eight of the 10 games against them this year.
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Just so you know, Boston's strength of schedule remaining, they have 31 games left, is the fifth easiest in the American League. So it's Yankees, Houston, Detroit, Seattle, all have an easier strength of schedule than Boston. Note that all but one of the playoff teams, Toronto, has the hardest schedule remaining. And that's why I feel like the division is still up for grass.
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And then Toronto has been, you know, very, you know, average. I mean, they're 6 and 4 over their last 10, but they haven't been.
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No, they haven't pulled the way they were earlier.
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They kind of. And there sits Detroit now. You know, Detroit had a seven game, eight game losing streak not that long ago. Astros just had a streak of 28 consecutive innings without scoring a run. As I said, the Red Sox are tied with the Rockies for the most errors in baseball. It's. You look at the American League and you just say, yeah, the Yankees aren't playing well, but. But who is unbeatable? Yeah, the Red Sox feel unbeatable because of the way that you played against them in the regular season, but there's still hope. As much as you want to throw away that hope because they frustrate you and they don't live up to expectations and that playing to the back of their baseball card, baseball's allowing them to be okay, they could still win this division.
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Yes.
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As crazy as that is, they could still end up winning this division with all their flaws. So that's why the Yankees, with a straight face, Aaron Boone, can tell you we're okay. Our best baseball is in front of us. Because there's still a chance, Alan, that this team will be playing meaningful games at the end of September trying to win this division.
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Absolutely. I completely agree. I. None of that is disputable. And I love your line because it sounds like Mr. Miyagi. Remember the line in Karate Kid? Right. Your best karate still inside you. Now it's time to let it out. Right. Right.
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And that's what they're thinking, and that's what they're telling everybody. And everybody thinks it's just lip service, but they truly believe that. And then we get into the whole. Everybody's frustrated, yet I look at the box score. 46,000 plus every single game the Red.
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Sox came to town.
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I mean, but listen, it's not like the. Nobody's going. If the Rockies were in town.
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Well, tonight. Tonight you have. There's a special night tonight. What are they doing tonight? There's something. There's something cool they're doing tonight at the state. Oh, it's Hamilton night. I think so you'll get a walk up for Nationals. Even though it's a Monday night. You just come off a brutal series. I'm not inspired on a Monday night to go to the stadium to see the Nationals. Right. I'm just Hamilton night. So maybe there'll be something special.
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I'm just saying I got a text message from a buddy of mine when they lost on Saturday.
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Oh, what a, what a game.
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If they lose Sunday, is Boon fired? And I keep saying, no, nobody's getting fired because all is well.
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They can't do it.
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They are. That's the way they look at it. But I understand Alan's frustration. I do.
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Can I just, I want to make that point one more time, though. As you said, they, they, you know, they can make the playoffs and it's a crapshoot. Anything can happen. Like I said last year, they had to go through teams they routinely have beaten that aren't, aren't teams that you look at and think, boy, they're really going to be ready for that series. When you look at the potential road for the Yankees, there's only one team that you think they can beat that team and it's the Mariners, the Red. So you. Alex Court, when he took the, when he took the ball from May last night, the look of disgust on his.
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Face and his pitch, he wanted that sweep.
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Oh my God, like you could see it. And what they do on the base path, how they run, right, how aggressive they are, they know all the weaknesses and they know how to exploit them. So maybe their style of play doesn't work against some teams, but it works against the Yankees. Blue Jays the same way Blue Jays are small ball dinkin dunks, get on the base path, make you crazy, right? And then they have the veteran pitching. Like they also have that belief now because they have been built to beat the Yankees. Houston. I don't have to say anything more. I think it's in their heads. Some of these, well, that's the.
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See, that's the thing that's interesting.
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And Detroit is another one. Like I'm.
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These sent these Central Division teams, I wanted to believe in them early in the year, but they're really. Because there is something. All right.
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And lefty pitching kills.
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Let me say this, all right? And maybe it's fading and maybe I'm talking right out of my butt.
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All right?
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And you'll let me know if I am. And I'm sure the callers and people on social media will. But unlike Other teams, despite all of the Yankees problems, all the errors, the bad base running, the lack of fundamentals, everything, I agree with you 100%. Now it's time for Alex Lee. I don't care about Alex Lee. She's still even doing anything with it.
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Alex Lee.
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Alex Lee hasn't done traffic since, like the Model T anyway. Is there still something about coming to Yankee Stadium and beating the Yankees October that does not exist in Detroit, it doesn't exist in. In Seattle, it doesn't exist in Toronto. The only team that you feel like is going to be able to brush that off is Houston, because they've done it before. But as good as the Red Sox have been against the Yankees during the regular season, I want to see it with this incarnation of the Red Sox come into Yankee state. I want to see Toronto. I'd be very interested to see this Blue Jays team that's been good all year and they've owned the Yankees. If the Yankees start to creep up, get within two games, get within a game, I want to see how they handle it. Because I've seen the history of the Blue Jays and I haven't seen a team since Joe Carter be able to handle it. Okay, so that's the one thing the Yankees kind of do. Have you saw the Royals and the Guardians last year, right?
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Yes.
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All right. They weren't that much worse than the Yankees in their situation, but there's just something about having to come here. So if the Yankees can just pass the Red Sox no matter what happens during the course of the regular season and get those three wild card games here. Right.
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It's the common denominator that.
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Does that change your perspective?
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Yes, because of what you just said. I still. This Yankees team since June has not given me any reason to have faith that in a clutch moment it will come through. That's a fact.
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Right.
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And I'm sorry, that's not being a hater. That's what I've seen with my eyes. And I think I've been very consistent since June saying it. I know it's something that doesn't look.
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No, it doesn't look right.
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And that's what bothers me. So you could give me all that about these teams. That Blue Jays are still a fairly young team. They haven't done it yet. And Detroit's kind of come out of nowhere. And maybe they'll come in and they'll be scared off by, you know, Yankee Stadium in October and baseball in New York. Whatever you want to say. But I also look at the Yankees. And I wait for those moments where it's like, who's coming through in the clutch? Who's given the big moment? I haven't seen it.
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Well, and especially from the Stan tries.
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The most important guy. I don't see it. And that's, that's, that's why. And more than anything, the bullpen. How much do you really trust that bullpen? How much do you really believe that that bullpen will lock it down when need be?
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I don't.
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Yeah. I have not. So how important is all this stuff when it comes to the postseason? But the elements aren't there for the Yankees to be a team that can go on a run once we get to October.
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But you're five back of the Blue Jays in law school.
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I know. I think that's for the tease than anything else.
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It probably is.
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Would it be bad?
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Why you hear Boone say it's in front of us because they have not dug themselves a hole they can't get out of. And the schedule does allow them, as bad as they are, to bash their way through some of the bad teams to get those 90 wins and maybe find themselves battling the Blue Jays for the top of the division. I don't. Again, I'm not going to bet on it. But you can't tell me that's not a possibility. Like the Mets. And we're going to get to the Mets. This is their last stand, this series against Philadelphia. And even if they sweep, I'm still not sure they're going to be able to make up the seven games. A lot. And I don't think they're in a position to be sweeping the Phillies. They got a chance to sweep the Braves yesterday and couldn't.
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Yeah, I was ugly ending and losing.
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Two out of three. The National. So at least the Mets are in the. But the Mets, I can't conceive coming out of the National League like they're a flawed team. But you know what? They're not as good as the Dodgers. They're not as good as the Padres. They're not as good as the Philly. Like, there's several teams that I'm like, it's not going to happen. The Yankees, I could wrap my mind around it happening.
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You could talk yourself into it.
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You can talk, but it's hard to do it with.
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But if you watch the Yankees inning by inning, they just keep revealing that Team Vac had a great line in his column that I actually, I told him, I said, it's a great line. I'm going to steal it. The Yankees hate when we keep bringing up game five, but they keep making us bring up game five.
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I know because of the way they play. They never corrected.
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It never went away. And once it came back, it was almost like that illness. You had it once. Then it comes back and I can't shake it. The Yankees can't shake it. And, and now Anthony Volpe. He's the one that's most afflicted and he not only does it not play yesterday, he's not playing tonight either.
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Listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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A
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get Your podcasts.
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See, Jacob's on. He knows. He knows what's going on today because I like this. You know what today is?
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Yes.
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50 years, man. That's very crazy, isn't it, that this album came out? You know, one of the great albums of all time. This is certainly Bruce Springsteen's finest work. Fifty years ago, Born to Run comes out. It's. It's pretty amazing that it's been 50 years. I remember I. I was young, but I. I just remember how important that album was.
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Thunder Roads on this, too, right? It's like there's at least three or four bangers off this.
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Yeah.
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Because you rose the first song on the album. Right. Okay.
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Yeah. You get the.
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I don't have Beyond. I've just full disclosed I don't have this album, but I know. I know it well.
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I know it will because when you talk about. No skips.
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Right. Yeah, Go ahead, read them to me.
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All right. Let me just get to the track selection here.
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Well, we know Thunder Road is won.
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Because I went to. Here we go. So they got Thunder Road.
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Yeah.
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Right out of the box.
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Just unreal.
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10Th Avenue freeze out. Not one of my favorites, but still good.
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No, but it's a good one.
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Night and Back Streets. So it does. It doesn't close the first side as well as the. The second. The begins. But then the second side, you've got Born to Run.
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Born to Run was on the. Was on side two.
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It was on B side Me. Yeah. Meeting across the river. But then Jungle Land, which is an absolute classic. So that's a. That's a pretty significant album for sure.
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Yeah.
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1975, 50 years ago for Born to Run. Interesting, right?
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No, no, no question.
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1-800-919-3776. Number to call. Now you got the Mads. They took. They took two out of three from Atlanta. Had a chance to close it out last night. Get the sweep or yesterday. Couldn't do it. Bullpen betrays them. Guys kind of playing a little out of position. Might have cost them those two runs in the eighth inning. So if you want to get on Mendoza for that. I know there's a lot of conversation because you got Alvarez out and I wasn't in. But the Alvarez injury was frustrating. Allen, because it was a blowout. He slides head first into second base. Really didn't need to injures his hand. Now he's on the Il. Not going to kill him for you. Just like, oh, really? It's seven to two. Did you really at the time, before I even saw the seriousness of the injury. I'm like, oh, no, you don't need to do that, man. I appreciate the hustle, but man. And now he's heard and then now they're in a way there, but now they got a series coming up against the Phillies and they've got the, they got the, a lot of games left with the Phillies, but they're seven games back. I don't think this team's going to win the division and I think they're good enough to beat the Reds and hold the Reds off. So the Mets and the Yankees. See, this is the frustrating thing because I think in football you get exposed, right? Baseball you don't necessarily get that exposed because there's so many haves and have nots. The Mets and the Yankees spent enough money, they've got enough talent on their team that even when they don't play fundamentally well. And the Mets fundamentals aren't that great either, to be honest with you. And now we just found out that Garrett's going to go on the IL for the Mets or they lose another guy out of the bullpen is that there's still enough talent there that they're going to beat the bad teams in most cases and they're going to rise above God. You know, God love the Reds and the effort that they're making, but it's probably not going to be enough to catch the Mets. But that doesn't mean the Mets are going to be able to go on the run they did last year. They still could, but you know, this team isn't that good, Alan. But what happens in baseball is, is that you get into a series and you catch a team at the right time and you end up going on some sort of a run. That kind of doctors what you actually are like, I don't think the Yankees were the second best team in baseball last year. No, but they went to the World Series. So it suggested, hey, they lost to the Dodgers in the World Series, but they're the second best team. But I can tell you the Padres are better, the Phillies were better, the, the Mets were better, but the circumstances allowed them to be able to negotiate through the Royals and the Guardians and get to the World Series, you know, so it's really about matchups and all that. So as bad as the Yankees can be, you cannot get away from the fact that this team still can put themselves in a position to make a run. And to honor the tease, the reason that they keep ignoring the fundamentals and didn't seem to learn from the Game five, fifth inning in the World Series is what happened against the Rays, where they hit nine home runs. What was the stat that you guys text me when I was on vacation? I think you sent it. But all the teams in the history.
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Of baseball, nine home runs in the game, 1876-2024. Only two teams in that span of time have ever hit nine home runs in a game in one season. It's like, obviously, right. Only two teams have ever done.
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And the Yankees have done it twice. Twice this year. Right. So what they're going to tell you is we're going to bash our way through our problems.
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Well, 90% of their home runs scored in the last two series because, remember.
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It'S all about offense. Why was Volpe benched? Was Volpe benched because of his brain fart the other night, throwing the ball to second base?
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No, he's 1 back 20.
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Basically go down the one knee every time there's a ground ball because he's afraid he's going to boot it. Can't throw balls to first base. No. Because he can't hit. And now he's a facing lefty tonight. So he's not going to play again. Has nothing to do with his defense.
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You know that error was his first since July 30th.
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Right. But his first charged error. But there have been times where you looked at him, just doesn't. Right.
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He's made port.
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But the point is, it's not about defense, it's about offense. And as long as the Yankees have those moments when they bash the other team's skull in, it reinforces them that they're okay. Yeah, because they'll hit nine home runs against the race. They'll score 100 runs. But this week against the Nationals and the White Sox and say, what's the problem, guys? But when you face a team like Houston and you face a team like Boston, where they're a little bit more fundamentally sound than you are, it's not even really matchup. It's more just the fact that they have the ability to expose the mistakes that you make. So I guess that is matchups is that. That's what. That's what gets you in trouble. Because you can't always expect to bash in the brain of the other team, especially once you get to the playoffs, unless you happen to get a favorable matchup. And I do agree that if they are able to get home games against Seattle in the postseason, the Yankees will advance. As good as Seattle has been, I think if the Yankees played the wild card and they had. They hosted Seattle for three games. The Yankees. Now all of a sudden you're in the divisional round.
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Yeah.
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Right now you're in a best of five.
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Right.
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And maybe. And then we'll see how it kind of goes from there. But you don't think there's some sort of a scenario where this team's not in the final four? The final four in the league championship series? You don't think. Because if they, If.
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No, come on. You want to do the math? All right, we'll do the math. Somehow the Yankees get the third wild card spot. Right? No, like the only way they play. The only way they play the Mariners.
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Well, the season ends today because. Let's say the season ends.
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The third division teams right now, it's the Astros, they would play the six. So the Mariners have to stay. The Yankees would have to win the division, but be the third. The third seed. That's the only way you get the three, six out of it and play at home. Because if the Mariners win the division and you end up the six, you'd have to go to Seattle. So that's a really unlikely scenario. What you're painting is more unlikely. More likely is the Red Sox.
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Yankees. Anthony can jump me if I'm wrong. All right. If you look at right now, Detroit's got the best record in the American League. Yeah. So Detroit wouldn't play anybody.
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No.
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All right, The Blue. So the Blue Jays. And. And the Astros. The Astros as the. The last wild card team would then play Seattle, the worst wild card team.
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Well, the Yankees as the last division winner.
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The last division winner. Yeah.
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Would play Seattle.
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Well, they would play Seattle.
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Yes.
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Right.
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So you're saying.
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So then in. The Yankees would play the Red Sox with the Red Sox hosting.
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Right.
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That's the way that I understand it. In the best of three, do they recede?
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Because that's the other problem. If somehow Seattle beats Houston, six seed Canada, playing them like Detroit would get that. Like, wouldn't that make more sense? I don't. You'd know better than me.
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Right.
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When it comes to this stuff. Because league to league, it always changes.
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So the Yankees will play the Red Sox and the games would be in Boston.
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Yeah. Which Nine. Nine Termite.
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But you know, they're only. They're basically tied. All right, The Red Sox have a half game lead. All right, here's the Seattle is only a game back of Boston. So there's a possibility that Seattle could be the first wild card. And. And the Yankees could end up being the third wild card or the Yankees could be the first wild card. Like if there's so many different maturations, all that stuff.
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And that's why those, the 15 wins you and I are talking about in that span of games they have this week and then at the end of the season, those are critical wins, like no less than 15. You got to get out of that stretch because of the, of the 13 games, of the 12 games that you're playing against old playoff teams and some of it on the road. So you and I both will look at this coming week and then of course, the last two weeks of the regular season as that's going to get the bulk of your wins to get you to a point where you could say you could be that the highest wild card team or potentially be pushed for the division. But I'm also going to tell you the great equalizer is home and away. Because a lot of times in sports you don't feel that, you know, dpatri's always say that there was no such thing as home field advantage in baseball because there was more pressure in playoffs and a home team felt the pressure, right, because of the way the crowd, like think about how intense every pitch is for a pitcher when you're home. So I'm looking at this, though, and I'm thinking it might be the opposite here, especially early in the playoffs. The Yankees are an even 32 and 32 on the road this season. Right. They're a mediocre road team. The Red Sox at home are 41 and 25, and I believe since June, it's like an even more ridiculous record. But on the road they're 30 and 35. They're not a good road team.
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Right.
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You have another example, the Blue Jays. Blue Jays at home are 42 and 21. Incredible at 42 and 21. But on the road, they're an even 34 and 34. So again, a mediocre road team. Getting them on the road, you just have a better chance. Seattle's 31 and 35 on the road, but 39 and 26 in Seattle. The only team among any of them that are good at both ends is obviously Detroit. They have the best record in the league and they're 44 and 25 at home in Detroit. But they're also, they're five up on the road, 34 and 29. So they've handled it well both ways. So really this is about home field advantage for your best opportunity to win. But I still go back to matchups, Don. Yeah, that's Left, left hand pitching kills them. And different matchups with different pitching, different styles of play. When it comes to teams that get on base and have a lot of traffic and distractions and put a lot of pressure on your defense to be as clean as possible. And you can't say that the Yankees, one of their greatest weaknesses is they do not play clean baseball.
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But it's just, again, they don't recede. Okay, so right now, the Yankees are home. The Yankees would take on the Boston Red Sox. Boston would have the home field advantage. All three games would be at Fenway Park. But because the separation is one game, there's a chance the Yankees could play Houston.
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Sure.
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In the first round. All right, There's a chance that they could host Seattle, they can host Boston. That changes everything. I'm telling you, if they host Seattle, they're advancing.
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Right. I'll give you that. If they host Boston, I'm not buying it. I think the Red Sox know they own them.
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Well, Cora knows you would rather get them at Yankee Stadium than Fenway Park. I don't disagree with you.
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No doubt.
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Then if you're that 4, 5 matchup right now, you would take on Detroit. I like their chances against the Tigers. I know they haven't beat him in the regular season, but again, even though the series would start in Detroit, bright lights, New York Central Division going up against, I'm telling you, the Yankees would have more than a fighting chance against the best team in the American League. Now you find yourself in the American League Championship Series taking on Houston, taking on Toronto. And I'm telling you, I think I'd rather have Toronto than Houston. So I hear everything you're saying and you're 100% correct about all of it. But you can't tell me that there isn't a chance. There isn't a scenario where this team can actually make a run. I feel less confident about that with the Mets because if the season ended today, the Mets would take on the Dodgers in the first round, not the brewers like they did last year. Brewers that never win in the postseason. The brewers are the Toronto Blue Jays of the America of the National League. Right. Great. In the regular season, what are they going to do in the postseason? So that changes everything. Mets could probably be done in the first round. Right. So it's all about those matchups. 1-800-919-3776 get your thoughts on the baseball. We've got an NFL binge coming up at 430. Enn at 6. Don Hannah Rosenberg on ESPN New York Vanderal Futures Day is tomorrow the new holiday for football fans. 24 hours deals on all your football season predictions. You can take a flyer on the MVP race. Like I could throw money on my guy. Jaden Daniels maybe you want to go Josh Allen to repeat. It's all there. Crown your champion in August. Maybe I'll go Commanders maybe you want to go Eagles. Repeat whatever. It's all there for you. Parlay your division winner dark horses. Mark your calendars. This is your day for your hunches, your hot takes, your calls and your odds. Visit the FanDuel app today and start planning your futures bets now because futures day is one day and one day only. FanDuel play your game 21 and over in fisly present New York. For help with a gambling problem, call 877 at Hopeny or text openy at 467369 Are you ready to dairy free your mind this summer? Melt away your dairy free expectations with so delicious Dairy Free frozen desserts. Enjoy mind blowing flavors like salted caramel cluster, chocolate cookies and cream, cookie dough and more. For over 35 years, so delicious has been cranking up the flavor with show stopping products that are 100% dairy free, certified vegan by Vegan Action and are so unbelievably creamy your taste buds will do a double take. Dairy free your mind. Visit sodeliciousdairyfree.com Save Big during Labor Day at Lowe's get up to 40% off. Select major appliances plus buy more to.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcast.
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Game Time is brought to you by Tully Mordu Irish Whiskey because when it's Game time, it's Tully Time. The Mets start a series with the Phillies coverage immediately following us right here on 8:80 at 6:30. And the Yankees host the Nationals at 7:05. And the Liberty welcome in the sun at 7. Tullamore Dew. The original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore due responsibly. I love Jungle Land. Microphone is shot for Alan Hahn. He's here in spirit only.
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There we go. I was gonna say. Is that what we're doing now? We're just gonna say it's Tully time and keep it rolling?
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That's what we did. Because I think he's hot to get the recognition that he's playing Bruce songs off of Born to Run and he didn't do it. Well, that's fine.
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Oh no. I thought you just went right through the stop sign. No, you blew right through it. Right. I looked at Jake right away. Jake looked at me like, oh, was it my fault?
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You know what? Listen, I was.
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When it's game time, it's Delhi time. Like, whoa, whoa. Now. Did it have. Did it run its course and is it time?
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No, you tell me. Because it's my. It's my drop.
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It's your thing.
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If you think it ran its course. I don't think so. I think it's a staple at this point.
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We look forward to it.
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We have to.
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If you're Tullamore do. This is like. It's gold. Gold.
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I'd be re upping for double what I paid previous easily. How about that?
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Like I would make an exclusive on this show. Maybe even sponsor.
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I would love it. I'll make appearances. The whole. The whole. I'll do that live. I think you should do a commercial too. I think that's a good idea. I've got some. I've got the acting chops now, but the Clarence Clemens sax solo in the. In that song Jungle Land is amazing. You don't like it?
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I'd have to hear the whole time.
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Oh my. Well, you just.
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I heard. No, I heard the beginning.
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You don't know the song.
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This is. No, it's been. It's been. I told you it's been a while. There's three songs. I know. Well, and then after that it's.
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And I'm not the biggest Bruce fan, but there.
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I'm a fan. I'm not like I'm. It's not like it's not Go to music.
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For me, Interesting Land is. Wait, what is it?
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What is that a bad thing?
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It's just interesting, that's all.
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Why is it interesting?
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Because.
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Am I supposed to love everything? It's like, Peter's the same way. Like, he got mad. Like, I. I knew in depth on one thing, and then on something else, he's like, how'd you not know that? I'm like, I don't know. Things move.
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It's a Jersey thing. I just think that sometimes with certain Bruce things, like, just because you're from Jersey.
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Well, it's the same thing as Billy Joel with us.
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Yeah, probably.
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We have to know every Billy Joel. I have to know every song of Cold Spring Harbor.
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Like, it's a moral imperative for me to know Born to Run, you know, because of. Because that I understand.
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So I. And like I said, I believe that's. Bruce is to New Jersey like Billy Joel is to Long Island. I firmly believe that. I don't think there's a single Long Islander that doesn't know a handful of Billy Joel songs, if not more. It's just. It's. It's how we're brought up. Yeah.
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That's the difference. And then that's fine.
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Yeah.
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But if you can get the. If you can get to the sax solo. I don't want to do too much Jacob, but I want him to be able to hear the sax. It's very good. And Clarence Clemens is no longer with us, so we should show some respect. All right. So the Mets and the Yankees are both on the table. I hear Allen's concern about the Yankees, and it's all valid, but I know sometimes it's just lip service, but I.
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But you're out on the Met. Like, you're out on the Mets.
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I'm out on the Mets, but I'm just telling you, the National League is tougher. The Mets have not been good for a while now. They can't get a pitcher unless it's McClain to get past the fifth inning. They just had another guy, Garrett, go on the illness. Their bullpen has not been great. The guys they went out and got have not been great.
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No.
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And.
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And losing the game, like, losing the game yesterday the way they lost.
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Yeah.
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It just like giving up the runs late, having the early lead, and then on top of it because Vientos is getting hot. He is like. He's starting to percolate, but it. Look, it feels like Pete Alonzo hasn't had, like, that last at bat. He.
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That was a tough one. Oh, my God, that was a really tough. Because you really felt like two pop ups like that. You felt like they put themselves in an excellent to still at least tie that game. If I thought win that game or at least take the lead, they would have done in the bottom half of the ninth inning. And you're not going to fault them for taking two out of three, especially Atlanta having their number. But after losing two out of three of the Nationals and the way that they lost, like you really wanted to get that one. You really wanted to do it and you didn't. And now we'll see what they do against the Phillies here, listen, there's still enough time to kind of change the narrative, but even though the American League is tougher than we thought and there are certain matchup problems for the Yankees against the Blue Jays, against the Red Sox, I can see them navigating through the American League much easier than I can see the Mets navigating through the National League. Because like I said, if the season ended today with all the Dodgers problems, and I do think they're playing with their food a bit, but the Dodgers would be up. And then you take on the Phillies. Well, they beat the Phillies last year. Well, you know, the Phillies might win this division by 10 games. And then the Brewers, I'll believe it when I see it.
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But do you.
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You got San Diego kind of lurking there.
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One thing about the Phillies, they're going to miss Zach Wheeler.
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Oh, big time.
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I mean, like, it's not even close. They're going to miss.
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Yes, but game lead is a seven game lead. But you're right. Come postseason, you're right. But the team I'd worry about is San Diego.
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Yeah. Yeah. Because they probably feel like nobody should have been there last year.
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They still could win this division. Which then means the Yankees, the Mets might have to play the Padres in the first round. Either way, their first round matchup is going to be an absolute beast. Could be the Dodgers, could be the Padres. Now, yeah, the Yankees might face the Red Sox at Fenway. That would be a beast. But I'm telling you, if they've got to play Seattle, I think they'd beat Seattle. I do.
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By the way, I want to talk to you about the realignment thing that Manfred threw out there because you never really got to say. And you bringing up the fact that the Mets would have to go from the east coast to the west coast to play in a wild card matchup is exactly why he's floating this thing out there. And I don't. Look, I can see why you can make the argument, but I. I am way against it. Don't tell me where you are. Okay, I am. There's a lot of changes they've made. The baseball that I've kind of been like, it could be interesting, but this is one that I've already said on the air. This of all the things that he's come up with, including the Ghost Runner and some of the, this is. This would be the dumbest thing that he does if this ever happens. I don't think it's going to, but it would be the dumbest thing they ever do. And I'm wondering how you feel about it, but I don't want to know right now.
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I'll give you my thoughts coming up.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more More of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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