Hour 1: NY QB Situation

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Episode Summary - Hour 1: NY QB Situation

Release Date: February 11, 2025

In this engaging episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg, hosts Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into the tumultuous quarterback (QB) situation surrounding the New York Jets. The discussion is rich with analysis, insider insights, and candid opinions, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of the current landscape and future implications for the team.

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1. Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets

Alan Hahn kicks off the conversation by reflecting on missed sporting events due to family obligations, then swiftly transitions to the central topic: Aaron Rodgers' strained relationship with the Jets' management. Hahn expresses skepticism about Rodgers' commitment, questioning the quarterback's willingness to adhere to team protocols. At [05:04], Hahn states:

"The man, literally, I didn't quite realize this. I mean, I've seen press conferences with him, but seeing him after a Super Bowl, to see the way he talks, the man has zero charisma."

This sentiment underscores the tension between Rodgers and the Jets’ leadership, particularly highlighting issues related to media appearances and training camp participation.

2. Management vs. Player Perspectives

Peter Rosenberg adds depth to the discussion by exploring possible scenarios if Rodgers departs the Jets. He speculates on Rodgers' potential move to the Pittsburgh Steelers, emphasizing the cultural fit with head coach Mike Tomlin:

"Mike Tomlin has the stature to have conversations with Aaron Rodgers and not to actually meet him in the middle, but to have a one working relationship until you can get this thing figured out."

Rosenberg also contemplates Rodgers' retirement, suggesting that given his illustrious career, retirement might be a plausible outcome if mutual agreements with the Jets falter.

3. Implications for the New York Jets

The trio examines the broader implications of Rodgers' potential exit on the Jets' future. Discussion touches on the team’s quarterback options, including prospects like Brock Purdy and Sam Darnold. Don LaGreca raises concerns about the Jets' ability to secure a stable QB moving forward:

"If Rogers said yes, okay, I'll do that. And you still let him go, well, then what's the reason you let him go?"

This highlights the uncertainty surrounding the Jets' strategy in rebuilding or reshaping their quarterback roster amidst managerial changes.

4. Comparing Cultures: Steelers vs. Jets

A significant portion of the episode contrasts the organizational cultures of the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New York Jets. Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg discuss the disciplined environment fostered by Mike Tomlin in Pittsburgh, suggesting that Rodgers might thrive better under such a system compared to his experience in New York. LaGreca concurs, emphasizing the importance of a cohesive team culture:

"He probably looked at it as, hey, this is what you brought me here for, man. I'm the winner, you guys are the losers. I'm trying to prop you guys up."

This comparison serves to highlight the pivotal role of leadership and culture in a team's success and player satisfaction.

5. Future Prospects and Draft Considerations

The conversation extends to the future prospects of the Jets, particularly in relation to their upcoming draft picks. The hosts discuss the strategic importance of selecting a quarterback that aligns with the team's long-term vision and coaching philosophy. Alan Hahn raises critical questions about the Jets' draft strategy, pondering whether the organization is prepared to invest in a quarterback that fits seamlessly with their coaching staff.

6. Broader NFL Implications

Beyond the Jets, the episode briefly touches upon the broader NFL landscape, including the potential impacts on other teams like the San Francisco 49ers and the Tennessee Titans. The hosts analyze how Rodgers' decision could ripple through the league, affecting team dynamics and competitive balances.

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Notable Quotes

• Alan Hahn [05:04]: "The man has zero charisma."
• Peter Rosenberg [07:35]: "It's like treating him like he's a kid."
• Don LaGreca [16:00]: "He's at the end now. Would he really still end up being a problem?"
• Alan Hahn [39:59]: "If you are doubling down on him, don't do it for one year, especially when you're drafting third overall."

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Conclusion

"Hour 1: NY QB Situation" offers a thorough exploration of the complex dynamics between Aaron Rodgers and the New York Jets. Through insightful analysis and spirited debate, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg shed light on the challenges facing the Jets as they navigate their quarterback conundrum. The episode not only dissects the immediate implications for the team but also considers the long-term effects on the NFL's competitive landscape. Whether you're a Jets fan or an avid follower of the NFL, this episode provides valuable perspectives on one of the league's most talked-about scenarios.

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Transcript

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but Big and Rosenberg.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don LaGreca]

This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg on 8 80, ESPN and the ESPN New York app. Oh, yes, it is. Don Legrecka. Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. Here we go. What day is it? Tuesday.

[Alan Hahn]

Who knows?

[Don LaGreca]

Tuesday, February eleven. It's a Tuesday in the year of our Lord 2025.

[Alan Hahn]

The days bleed one into the next.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It feels like.

[Alan Hahn]

It feels like I got home last night and I'm a fresh new adult, as you know. Never been an adult till right now. I never stopped. We talked about the Doncic LeBron game. Did not remember it till today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You didn't see, like, I never stopped.

[Alan Hahn]

I never stopped. When would I have done it? I never stopped doing the first feeding. The first feeding and burping situation then led into us having to get some other stuff done. And then before we knew it, it was B and we did bath time. And then, because Natalie was waking up to do the middle of the night one, I'm gonna do the late one, right? So I gotta do the 11 o'clock one also because she's doing the 3am so I can work in the morning. So, yeah, I woke up this morning, I went, oh, yeah, Doncic played last night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What happened?

[Alan Hahn]

And I missed the dog show. I don't like missing the Westminster.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's actually. Yeah, we had tickets. We didn't go.

[Alan Hahn]

That's such a good time if you're a dog person.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Callie wanted to go, but she had.

[Alan Hahn]

Practice anyway, so it's so fun. And you, by the way, you being the MSG man that you are, you can get the. Really? Any media who asks, they'll give you the. The passes to go back into benching. And then you can wander around, see all the dogs. Pretty sweet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like. It's like an eight Hour day, though. It's a long day.

[Alan Hahn]

It's insane what's happening. And the people. Cuz like I'm crazy about my dogs. Yeah, these people are.

[Don LaGreca]

How accurate was Best in Show?

[Alan Hahn]

It is right there. No, no, it is right.

[Don LaGreca]

I love that movie.

[Alan Hahn]

That movie. If anyone out there has never seen Best in Show. You never? Never seen it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no. It motivated me to see it.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, my gosh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That good, huh?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, it's. It's. It's the kookiest, funniest, most.

[Don LaGreca]

It's just so good. Mighty Wind are both just classics.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I mean, if you're a Christopher Guest kind of guy. And I am. But anyway, so, yeah, everything was a rumor to me. The Doncic, LeBron, obviously. I saw Doncic only play 24 minutes and Lakers won easy. LeBron doing LeBron stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you they would blow him out. It was, it was an easy opponent. I didn't like the way Luka looked physically, all of it. He's happy. He had a smile on his face, but I, I what?

[Alan Hahn]

He looked fat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, maybe Dallas was onto something.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A bit of a tighten up.

[Alan Hahn]

A bit of a large Marge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it's not that. Like we've all had that time in our lives where we probably just drank too much and ate too much and didn't really work out.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, you know, you loosen the shirt a little more, you wear it a little more baggy.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, the first occasion is when you're not. When you're wearing all of your stuff out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

You don't. You're not tucking in anymore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He wears like it's in the NBA today. Everybody wears things tight. Like LeBron like he is. There's no room on his jersey. He puts it on, it's like skin tight. Luca likes it 90s style.

[Alan Hahn]

I feel that. And so like you're already wondering.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go. Look. Highlights are right there.

[Alan Hahn]

But he doesn't look fat there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That looks fat. Did I say fat? But did I say he needs to tighten it up?

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, I'm not wearing my glasses today, but Dom, from what I'm seeing, he doesn't look as loose as I was expecting. That was pretty quick right there.

[Don LaGreca]

Playing basketball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Remember he had a calf thing, so of course that's gonna affect you a little bit.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. Kind of looks like Pat McAfee playing basketball.

[Alan Hahn]

You're calling him Fat McAfee?

[Don LaGreca]

No. And even though he was a kicker.

[Peter Rosenberg]

McAfee's in great shape.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now he's in great shape.

[Don LaGreca]

I think I'm Not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look, I'm not trying to be a hater. I'm just saying I watched. He didn't shoot well. Terrible. First shot was a three. That was good. They did the right thing la. You knew they would do the right things with the crowd being excited. They had a T shirts and the whole thing. That was all cool. I watched it for a while and then once I realized, okay, this isn't going to be a guy, I turned it off and that was the end of it for me. But that's all. I checked in. That's my job on this show. I checked in, I made sure that you're a professional. So that's what we did.

[Alan Hahn]

I'd also like to amend something from yesterday. What's that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Amend?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I spoke. You know, I firmly believed that Jalen Hurts should have been the mvp. And then after watching some of the interviews that were done with him yesterday, including the one that's moving around quite a bit that ESPN social media did with him at Disney World, I wish that DeJean or Sweat had done just enough to get the MVP. The man, literally, I didn't quite realize this. I mean, I've seen press conferences with him, but seeing him after a Super bowl, to see the way he talks, the man has zero charisma. I mean, there's nothing there. Allen, you would have thought it was a sixth Super Bowl.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very chill.

[Alan Hahn]

There's nothing exciting there at all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's very chill. That's always been his thing. He's consistent. But God, he did say, I'm going to Disney World with a big smile on his face, though. And he had to do the spot.

[Alan Hahn]

He mustered up for that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He did. He did. He dialed it up a little bit.

[Alan Hahn]

The ESPN stuff was, yeah, I'll play it for you. It's not what you want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I can't imagine he slept, but he did.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know if you guys watch Abbott elementary, but he, he's been on that show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, really?

[Don LaGreca]

As, as Hertz. And it was. He's, he's fine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don LaGreca]

I, I, he might not be a bubbly personality, but he's chill.

[Alan Hahn]

You should watch the clip I'm talking about. It's, Listen, that's fine. Who cares? His jobs play football now. He's not Johnny Carson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he's not Aaron Rodgers either.

[Alan Hahn]

No. Which is too much personality.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Do we finally have an end game to this whole thing? We have not gotten an official announcement that Rodgers and the jets are going to part ways, but we continue to get stories that indicate that they are the latest coming from our good friend Diana Rossini in the Athletic. And yes, as they plan on moving on from him, Diana did get word of some things that when they had their conversation earlier this week, I guess they had met in person and they had this discussion and Diana saying that we don't have the audio. Right. Okay. She said that she was told that the conversation with Rogers and what a future if he stayed with the jets would look like. He was told, basically, if you were going to be part of this team, you're going to attend all of training camp and you're not doing Pat McAfee interviews anymore. So basically, it's like, if you were to stay here, here's how it's going to go. And Aaron Glenn was letting him know, I'm in charge. I make the rules. And there's no exceptions to those rules.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, okay. And then what?

[Don LaGreca]

That's fine. Exactly that nobody's been able to tell me then what? Because I'm hearing a lot of people opinion like, good job by the Jets. You gotta lay the groundwork down. You gotta let them know who's boss. What did Roger say? Did Roger say go scratch and then left? Well, if that's the case, then yeah, great job by the Jets. Am I going to hear Aaron Rodgers say, well, I acquiesced all the things they asked me to do and they still kicked me out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't you think at some point when it is his turn, he'll say something along those lines? Because both sides are going to want to come out of this thing as if, you know, hey, we just did the best we could. Here's Rich Samini. Michael K. Had him on, asking him about does he believe in this reporting that we're getting from Diana?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, I've been hearing that throughout the process as well. I mean, Eric Glenn, he's a Bill Parcells guy. And Parcells what his motto, and I could still hear these words from many years ago. You know, it's a one voice organization and he was the voice Parcells. And now Aaron Glenn is going to be the voice. And I never thought for a second that he would be okay with rogers going on McAfee every Tuesday to give his state of the address on the jets and then have to answer questions about it the next day. So I do believe that was part of the conversation. Now, was that the back breaker? No, I don't think so. Was it football decision? It was an age decision. It was a salary cap decision. And I think this other stuff too was involved. You know, it's also a cultural decision. They're trying to change the culture. They're going from the Aaron Rodgers culture to the Aaron Glenn culture. And I don't think the two could coexist.

[Don LaGreca]

But this is. What I'm just. I'm kind of confused. You want to get out of the Aaron Rodgers business? Okay, we could debate it. I understand it. I get it. You got a young coach. He was a pain in the neck, let's be honest. And over the two years, obviously, it wasn't worth it from a football standpoint. So you want to get out of the Aaron Rodgers business, have at it. But get out of the business. What is this? Oh, well, we don't want you on McAfee. We want you to show up to everything. All right, but if Rogers said yes, okay, I'll do that. And you still let him go, well, then what's the reason you let him go? If we find out Rogers was not. He still planned on going to Egypt, he still planned on going on McAfee. Well, then the jets could say, hey, we tried to make this work, but he wasn't willing to play by our rules. We don't know that. So what's the reason? Because if he goes to Pittsburgh and doesn't go on McAfee and shows up to every camp, every day at camp for the Steelers and the Steelers win the north, how's that going to look? Now, maybe you don't care how he plays, but, Alan, what I wonder is if he ends up not being a problem someplace else, won't you, as a Jet fan, say, well, maybe he wouldn't have been a problem here and might have been a better alternative to whatever we decide to do. Because that's all part of the narrative, too. The guy they bring in, whether it's Kirk Cousins, whether they. By the way, I misspoke. Tyrod Taylor does have another year left. He's here, so that's ease. They wouldn't have to sign him. He's here and those guys, you know, wet the bed. Then how's that going to look? So, Alan, why not just own the reason you don't want him here? Well, why do I need these stories about, you told him not to go on McAfee, you told him to be here. Is that a story or not? Because to me, I need to know how Aaron Rodgers responded, whether this is a story or not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think that this is both sides that try. And again, Aaron hasn't spoken yet, but I'm sure he'll give his take. When he goes on with Pat McAfee at some point, which would be, of course, you know, kind of a funny way to put a bow on it, is going on Pat McAfee to respond.

[Alan Hahn]

To the Jets, My guess would be that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'm thinking that's probably what's going to happen at some point. But if you're the jets, you're right. All you gotta do is just say, we're just gonna get out of this business. This didn't work out. We have a new regime. We want to do it our way. That's the right thing to do. But this sitting down with him and saying, if you're gonna come back, these are the rules and you have to follow them. It's almost like treating him like he's a kid. Now, again, what Rich said at the beginning is what I've been saying from the moment Aaron Glenn became the guy they were going to hire as coach. We cannot overlook the influence of Bill Parcells. You can't. And Parcells wouldn't put up with this, and he wouldn't want this. I would think you wouldn't want to deal with a player that doesn't want to fit in with the group and follow the rules of the group and also understand that you are not bigger than the group, no matter what.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we were led two years ago to believe that Rodgers was all of that stuff because, remember leaving Green Bay, what chased him from Green Bay to New York? It was the idea that he had his own set of rules, that he did it his way, that he complained a lot about the roster. He always had something that he. They were. Brian Gudekuntz was dealing with him to a point where he was done dealing with them, didn't want to do it anymore. And of course, the jets were in a place that they all will live with it. If he can perform the way he performed for you guys, I don't care if he's going to be like this. But then you realize that it doesn't exactly work that way when he's at 40 years old in this point in his career. But Parcells influence can't be overlooked when it comes to all this stuff. Now you bring up the Steelers. That's an interesting one. The jets play the Steelers at home this coming season.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, if.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If. Could you imagine that game?

[Don LaGreca]

I can almost guarantee it'd be in prime time and probably early in the season, because you're not going to want to do it late if the jets aren't very good or if Roger gets hurt. Again, yeah. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's like it would be the Thursday opener, but it may be a Monday opener.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Another Monday night opener. Now remember, right now they want to keep Russell Wilson over Justin Fields. That's the word out of Pittsburgh. But listen to Marcus Spears, our good friend swagu on NFL Live about this.

[E]

I wonder if Mike Tumblin and Aaron Rodgers could coexist in Pittsburgh. And rc, you know that culture and situation better than me and we've talked about it for a long time about how Pittsburgh's culture is what it is and it's not going to change for any individual. And I wonder, I think Mike Tomlin has the stature to have conversations with Aaron Rodgers and not to actually meet him in the middle, but to have a one working relationship until you can get this thing figured out or if you think he can play at a high enough level for one or two years. You look at the run game in Pittsburgh, it can be pretty good. You look at the outside, obviously some more maturity with your star wide receiver, but could that be something that could be facilitated and a defense that should get back to playing at a very high level? We've seen the little eye contact, the little back and forth between him and Mike Tomlin, and that just popped in my mind. What is that relationship really like? Have they had any interaction before? I'd be interested to see if Pittsburgh makes a play for a Rodgers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Remember, that's the reference to that game where Rodgers tried to do something quick at the line of scrimmage and Tomlin caught him, called the timeout and they both gave each other kind of a nod and a look of respect to each other. And so that's always been a thing is could he play for him? Because Rodgers has never really played for somebody of that kind of status. And so that's one thing to think about. And you think about Tomlin and what he did with Russell Wilson. You can't overlook that Russell Wilson was running rough, shot in Denver, the same kind of thing. Got my own office, do my own thing, my own rules. And he came to Pittsburgh and they got him. Right now, one last thing I'll say here on the Rodgers thing with the jets, he knows the jets wanted to move on from him. He came to meet and this has now become we don't really want you and I know you don't really want me. And instead of it just being in amicable, we're moving on from each other. Rogers doesn't want to leave in New York. The notion that he gave up, that he quit on the franchise, that he didn't want to be here. Same thing in Green Bay. I wanted to stay in Green Bay forever. They didn't want me. I think that's the same story that you're going to hear out of him, no matter what the story's going to be.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, probably. But I would. I've been saying this for a while. He's at the end now. Would he really still end up being a problem? Maybe. But I guarantee you, you go to Pittsburgh, just like Russell Wilson, you're going to fall in line because there's a culture already there and he wants to win now. When he came to the jets, there wasn't really a culture. He was the culture. He was the guy that won. Robert Sala never won anything. Woody Johnson never won anything. Joe Douglas never won anything. Most of the players on the team didn't win anything. He set the culture. So he did whatever he wanted to. And he probably looked at it as, hey, this is what you brought me here for, man. I'm the winner, you guys are the losers. I'm trying to prop you guys up. You go to Pittsburgh. Tomlin's got as many rings as you do. There's a bunch of guys on that team that have been a part of that culture. He wouldn't pull that stuff in Pittsburgh. And I don't think he'd pull the stuff here, Peter, because it's his last chance.

[Alan Hahn]

I find the idea of Pittsburgh and Rogers weird. To me, it seems like. Do they think they're going to win a ring next year with him?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

But where? What's the point then?

[Don LaGreca]

Then he should just retire because you want him, who else is going to get.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just thinking about it from the Steelers standpoint, Tennessee. But if you're the Pittsburgh Steelers and you just tried it with an aging quarterback who doesn't quite have it, and by the end of the year you saw he wasn't enough and you come up short, you're going to replace him with another aging quarterback.

[Don LaGreca]

Would you say that Aaron Rodgers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Keep them both.

[Don LaGreca]

2025 Aaron Rodgers will be better than 2025 Russell Wilson.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, negligibly. How much? Russell Wilson was good half the year, but at the end of the year, they just didn't have. To me, it just feels like it's kicking the can down the road. If you're Pittsburgh, don't you want to start over and figure out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And again, it's just an option. Like it's I don't think there's anything real to that. It's just one of those like. And Swagu brought it up. It was interesting enough for you. And you know that he and Tomlin do have that built in respect. So that's one thing.

[Don LaGreca]

I personally think if, if the jets are moving on, and it sounds like they are, that, that you're probably just going to see him retire. I don't think he's just going to go play in Tennessee just for the sake of playing in Tennessee and have a bad year and not play well. Just to say I played another year. And there's really no other place in the NFL where you could say they would be a playoff team if Aaron Rodgers is there, other than I said Pittsburgh. But you're right. Russell Wilson is. They kind of have that already. And he had been here already for a year. Do you want to start over with a similar type quarterback? An older quarterback actually, but the kind of same vibe. Where else could he go? San Francisco? That sounds like a nice story.

[Alan Hahn]

So that's from.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they're going to.

[Don LaGreca]

Brock Purdy is still, still, still a good quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

Is there a world in which you can find a way to make the dollars make sense? And you go, hey, Brock, you took a step back last year. You were Mr. Irrelevant. You're going to spend a year learning with Aaron Rodgers. He's our guy. Then we'll go back to you. Impossible.

[Don LaGreca]

After you. After you played in the super bowl the year before.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, but he's. We all know that's not who he is.

[Don LaGreca]

I get it. I just don't know. I don't know if you do that. I don't know if you take a guy that was your starting quarterback, takes you to a Super bowl, is your starting quarterback again, doesn't have a great year, they have injuries. It falls apart. And then you say, I'm going to sign a future hall of Famer and you're going to watch for a year. I could see Brock Purdy going, what do I need to watch? If I'm not good enough, I'm not good enough. I don't need to watch anymore. I played in a Super bowl, for God's sakes. I went through a whole playoff rounds to get to a Super bowl and I'm going to watch Aaron Rodgers. I've won more recently than he has. That's true. You might as well just. If you want to say you're going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To play, keep in mind too, with the Niners, Debo Samuel has already Requested a trade and the Niners are basically letting his agent find one. Whatever's going on in San Francisco is not exactly the best place either.

[Don LaGreca]

So Minnesota, if they have JJ McCarthy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they would like Sam Darnold, but.

[Don LaGreca]

If Sam Darnold leaves because they don't want to pay him, they like JJ McCarthy, but coming off an injury, not playing last year, let's give him another year to watch under the future hall of Famer. Kind of like what happened with Brett Favre of a Minnesota, certainly a division.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He knows is that.

[Don LaGreca]

Is that. But there's so few options for him. I just don't see him just going to play for 18. Like, no, he's not going to go play for Giants. Like, why would he come play with the Giants? Right? All right, He's. You could say, all right, he could stay in New York, he could still live in the same house that he lived in. But the Giants aren't going anywhere with Aaron Rodgers. They'll win a few more games, but they're not going anywhere. You tell me the 49ers, you tell me the Steelers, I could sink my teeth into that. But I don't know if those teams would be interested. I'm sure he would be, but would those teams be interested? So I would think if I'm Rogers, guys, this news comes out. Jets aren't interested. I almost retired two years ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe it's time.

[Don LaGreca]

Do you want to be hanging? Would you want maybe Rodriguez telling me it's time, or do you just hang around and just say, I'll wait? Maybe somebody gets hurt, you know, maybe Wilson gets hurt in Pittsburgh and they call him. You know, just stay in condition, stay ready, work out and just hope that there's a good team that loses their quarterback and you can pop in there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think he's that guy. I think he would have.

[Don LaGreca]

What was he doing all this for then? He's already accomplished everything he needs. Why did he come to the jets then?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, again, he was. They didn't want him in Green Bay anymore, and he felt like he still had something left and wanted to prove that. And it did not go well.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. So that would be it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Feels like it. 800 now. 193776. Bobby's in Belmore. Go ahead, Bobby, start us off.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Bob.

[D]

Hey, guys. How are you? Listen, number one, two quick things. Number one, 25th rated quarterback, two less wins than Zach Wilson. Don't let the head to throw on your hash. Well, you know what? On the way out, that's number One. But number two, you talk about culture in Pittsburgh, Donnie, you know, they want to play a game longer than Ryan Rogers. They want to play a game in nine years. Rogers hasn't won five years.

[Don LaGreca]

I know, but they go to. They go to the playoffs and they're a above.500 winning seasons every year. It's a head coach that's won a Super bowl before. Whether, whether it's. Whether it's the ultimate culture, we can debate, but it is still a culture.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's taking a hit lately with some of the guys who have acted up in that. In that play. I mean, Pickens is a pain in the ass sometimes. They had to deal with A.B. yeah. Oh, my God, that's right. Juju.

[Don LaGreca]

But up until this year, did the Yankees then not have a culture because they hadn't been to the world series in 15 years? They still. But they still had a culture. You knew if I'm a New York Yankee, what it's about.

[D]

But they've won playoff series. You know, it's not like, you know, they haven't won a playoff game, you know, in a long time. And, you know, but. And as far as. Excuse me. As far as the. I just want to make a quick Yankee point. Freed and Bellinger. Freed has over five ERA in a postseason. I know he puts great 20, 21 World Series. He's had arm issues the last two years. Bellinger. 211 postseason hitter, West Point, Williams, he gave Bahama to Alonzo. I mean, I think they're the best team in the American League, but I just wouldn't count on them winning the World Series yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, Donnie, do you look at the Yankees as a team? Would you put them top two could win a World Series?

[Don LaGreca]

No, because it's in the American League. Why would they not be the favorite in the American League?

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you think they're the best team in the American League, then that would mean you think they can get to the World Series.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They can get to the World. And once you get there, your chances of winning it is still high. Are they a better team than they were last year? Like, do you believe Brian Cashman when he says, well, we are a better team than we were when you walked off the field at the World.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, listen, you added, you added help in the bullpen. You got yourself a legitimate closer. I know he gave up the home run to Alonso. That's what home. That's what they do. You wouldn't take Mariano Rivera after he gave it the home run. Alomar, thank you. You would take him. Okay, I'm not putting him at Mariano's level, but you know what I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the same thing though.

[Don LaGreca]

You know, Freed's going to be a really good addition to this rotation and you lose Soto, but you've added, you know, Goldschmidt, you've added some bats there, Bellinger. So I still think they're the best team in the American League. Now. Could they lose to the Dodgers? Yeah, they could. But right now you just got to worry about getting through 162 games, winning your division, going through the playoffs, and then you worry about the Dodgers if you get to the World Series. I think you have to be very happy if you're a Yankee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Completely agree.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Is it Badu's birthday or something? What's the, what's going on, Jacob?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Don LaGreca]

This album came out on this day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Baduism, huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You ever purchase the Essence?

[Alan Hahn]

The Essence of Badu? I, I, I have not, no.

[Don LaGreca]

Ever think about it in Essence of Coffee?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just before that was. This is something. We're gonna post it on our socials, but. So we order our coffees and teas before the show.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure we do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we decided to go somewhere a little more, you know, fancy.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a real coffee shop. It's just, you know, it's Maman. It's a, it's a New York chain.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. And so it came in a bag instead of in a nice little holder like we normally get it. So right away I was like, oh, wow. Boutique. Nice. And you got yours. What did you get there, Peter?

[Alan Hahn]

I got an iced mocha. Light on the mocha. It's mostly coffee with a little bit of chocolate in it. Like a little mocha.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I get my usual matcha tea.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gives me a kick. And Don got a macchiato.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. Because when I go to Starbucks, I get a caramel macchiato. So I figured I'll just get one without caramel at the place.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you got a small.

[Don LaGreca]

And it's a, it's a think of for the people that don't have social media that will not see this picture. Do you see any pictures of Andre the Giant holding a beer?

[Alan Hahn]

That's the size.

[Don LaGreca]

That's kind of what's happening here. I don't know why anybody would drink this coffee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like Bobon in that commercial with the goldfish when he just bursts right through the bag because his hand's so freaking big.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, that's you just the cup looks, it's sad.

[Alan Hahn]

I just retweeted it too.

[Don LaGreca]

This picture is, it's really something.

[Alan Hahn]

It's everything you need. If this isn't the Don legreco, you know, I mean, this is like Don legreco on vacation in, in Europe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is like the man hands from Seinfeld. Like, it just can't, you can't nonsee it. Gigantic hands, tiny little cup. And it looks like a regular sized coffee cup. Like, it looks, it's a cute little cup that looks like a coffee.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't realize it would be so small either. I thought it would be like a regular macchiato. But then again, the only macchiato I've ever had is probably from Starbucks. And we were saying earlier, normally served.

[Peter Rosenberg]

In a little cup.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, yeah, but Starbucks, it's not. Of course not, because Starbucks is fast food. And this is the thing about Starbucks. Oh, boy, they are geniuses. What they have pulled off is one of the most incredible. Like, we marvel at the NFL and with good reason. The way they dwarf other leagues. It's what Starbucks has done with fast food. They are completely fast food. In fact, I think there's more Starbucks than any other fast food in the country. It's like Starbucks and Subway are like the whole country. And yet they've convinced people that when you're going to Starbucks, you're not getting fast food so much. So you'll have a business meeting at a Starbucks. Imagine someone going, hey, we should really get together and talk about something cool. You want to pop by the Mickey D's? Let's sit down. I really want to chat over some things, but at Starbucks, Alan, that's considered reasonable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I reserved us this table over by Playland.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a good one.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just gonna get a double cheese. You want anything? Like, you don't do that, but you can go to Starbucks. Their branding is that good. And so someone like Don, a poor schmohawk like Don, who's only been drinking coffee in his 50s, all he knows is Starbucks. So he orders a macchiato, thinking it's gonna be the gargantuan fat boy fast food version, and we get the real European version. And he's incredibly disappointed. I feel terrible because I'm the one.

[Don LaGreca]

Who ordered it, and now I pivoted.

[Alan Hahn]

What'd you do?

[Don LaGreca]

I. I'm gonna go down the street to Starbucks.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you.

[Don LaGreca]

Coffee.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you even gonna drink this one?

[Don LaGreca]

No, it's not even good. But not. Not that it wasn't made well.

[Alan Hahn]

It's just not what you want.

[Don LaGreca]

It's just not. It's way, way too strong.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not what you want.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's not what you want. It's actually. That's, like, meant to just be a caffeine hit. It's not what you're looking for. Yeah, I'm sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's literally a shot.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they got you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Although that's a double shot, apparently.

[Alan Hahn]

Be a man. I wonder if you just take that to the face right now, Don, if we'll see some sort of crazed God.

[Don LaGreca]

Like we've never seen before, like, worse than yesterday.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, that's what I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's Just more than strangling the mic. I love you turning into the Hulk right in front of us.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, maybe later we can play it. But they played my rant this morning on dnr and Dave completely disagree with me.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, what?

[Don LaGreca]

Because he's all hung up on how you root for the teams in the nfc and he completely missed the point. The point, like, just did. Did donuts on his head, like, completely. The Giants won games. Oh, Tommy DeVito won games. Like, he took literally that. I'm hoping that the commander. Because how can the commanders, Eagles and Cowboys, all win the super bowl at the same time? I was. I was in a moment that everybody with a brain understood, even his own. Even his own show. Ray.

[Alan Hahn]

Ray.

[Don LaGreca]

I mean, I don't agree, but I understand where he's coming from. Again, who you root for.

[Alan Hahn]

Just, hey, how about by the way, it's yo yo stuff? He gets very caught up in the little things. Like, you can't root for anyone in the same division. Who cares. Your team's gone. None of it's really relevant. It's about the view overall of what your team is.

[Don LaGreca]

Your team is dead.

[Alan Hahn]

And whether you want to root for your team, whether you see it as, oh, my God, I can't root for the Eagles. Or you're like, I'd rather. It doesn't matter. Your team is dead as a doornail. That point, the point Don was making, is that his team has become a disgrace and he wants them to be embarrassed and to change it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you have to explain what Don was trying to say or was saying eloquently in his rant yesterday, then you aren't really paying attention or you don't want to know.

[Don LaGreca]

They don't know what.

[Alan Hahn]

Clown show.

[Don LaGreca]

Clown show. Clown show. Thank you for being. For having my back and understand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But honestly, I went on with them to talk the Knicks one time, and I had that. You know, the thing I said about how they look like they are the best team we've seen since 73. And he could not get over the fact that I said, right now, you can't talk about the end of the season because we don't know how the season is going to end. But when you look at them play at their best, we haven't seen anything this good. And he said to me, but the 94 team went to the finals. And I said. I just said, you can't talk about the. He couldn't get past it. So eventually I just had to just get. I had to hang up because, like, you just. You made A point. And I don't think he can process what you're saying because he's such an absolute when it comes to his personality.

[Don LaGreca]

Is there such a thing like they like your tone deaf, right? I guess this would fall under the tone deaf.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just don't think he can understand it.

[Don LaGreca]

Of not having to conceive or understand or comprehend nuance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Maybe that's what it is.

[Don LaGreca]

Of the nuance of, hey, I think it's the best team since 73. I know they didn't go to the final. We're only in January when Alan said it, but he's saying this is the best he has seen since then. Now Will Smith knew what happened, but if you got to explain the nuance then it kind of takes the fun out of conversation, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

It's almost like you're talking to a three year old who doesn't can't really comprehend the words. So Dave, we're trying to explain to you that maybe if they embarrass themselves they'll change because Rick made the point understanding me when they decided to bring everybody back in, Shane and Dable, we all knew Philadelphia was a team that can contend for a Super bowl and Saquon already had an historic season that didn't embarrass them to make any change. So maybe a couple more Super Bowls will finally wake him up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So here's, here's, here's Dave disagreeing with the point you made yesterday.

[Don LaGreca]

What a horrible thing to say. No, really, I love Don. I think that's such an awful thing to say. Like the Giants weren't humiliated enough. Like watching saquon run for 2000 yards and watching the Eagles run go to the super bowl and dominate teams and dominate you and watching you win three games, that's not enough humiliation. Don needs it all the way. He needs the Giants to actually have Philadelphia win the Super Bowl. No, it's nonsensical that he would say something like that. And that's what Arnold's trying to do. And I give him. Can they play this on the K show? I love Don. I think Don is great. I think that tick is really silly. Why would you want Dallas to win?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, Rick, can you speak up?

[Don LaGreca]

Are you just going to pray at the altar of Don legreck? I don't think it's a great take.

[Alan Hahn]

But I can understand, understand why he said it. Correct me if I'm wrong. Before they made the decision to bring back Shane and Dable, Saquon was running wild. Correct?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

And the Eagles are one of the best teams in the NFL, Correct?

[Don LaGreca]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, so that wasn't embarrassing enough for them to make a change. They didn't change anything.

[Don LaGreca]

They're not going to make a change. They already told you they're not making a change.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. So what he's saying is, is he wants to get it so bad and so embarrassing that he has no choice but to make a change.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. But they're not going to. Well, they haven't, but they're not going to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

First of all, did he just say they're going to play this on the K show?

[Don LaGreca]

On the K show. I don't think K came.

[Alan Hahn]

He doesn't even know we have. Yeah. Did Michael play it?

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On his show. That was another Freudian slip. That continues.

[Don LaGreca]

Michael's doing a baseball conference.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you, I'm an acquired taste. It's going to take a while.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's not even just you.

[Don LaGreca]

No, it's not you. It's just not. You know, it's a disrespect to the station. It's a disrespect to the move that we made.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're in the morning. They don't pay attention to anything.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what's dumb? He understands it, but doesn't understand that he understands it, doesn't want to because he's saying they're not going to change. That's the whole reason I made my point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. Like, how bad does it have to get before you finally get it right?

[Don LaGreca]

So was it a little performative when I threw the Cowboys at Commanders? I'm just trying to make the point that, you know what? Good. Let them suffer and see the mistakes that they made and maybe they'll change it because they decided to bring Shane and Dabel back. Knowing Philadelphia was winning their division, knowing Saquon was. Almost broke the record for rushing yards in a season, knowing that they might go to the super bowl didn't change it. So I would think that if they won the super bowl and had to make the decision today, they would make the same decision. So, yeah, then winning is not enough. Oh, my God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Major. Major.

[Don LaGreca]

And even today he said, oh, I don't want Stafford. I don't want Stafford either, but I don't want Stafford to go out there and win games. Won't be able to draft the quarterback. Can you get over what if it's not working? Then you could draft. You could draft Joe Namath. It's not going to matter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll need better context. I don't want Stafford because he'll win games and we won't.

[Don LaGreca]

What do I want to win seven games and now I gotta. I gotta. I don't have a good draft.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I don't think you trade for which by the way, again, Stafford is not leaving la. Let's make that clear. They have made that clear as well. He's going to rework his deal. He doesn't want to leave la. He's going to stay with the Rams. So that's not an option for the Giants either. But why wouldn't you want him? Because you only trade for him if you think yeah, they're not right.

[Alan Hahn]

It puts you in a good enough for him. That's why I wouldn't want it.

[Don LaGreca]

Wouldn't make it neither.

[Alan Hahn]

Neither of these teams would make sense for Bradford or Stafford.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don LaGreca]

Or Brad or Bradford. What do you think he's doing? Right.

[Alan Hahn]

He's coaching football so I'm probably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Counting his money too. By the way.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, Bradford's still better than most of the quarterbacks we've had here in the last five years. How about that? I take him over basically everybody.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's your take. But the Giants are going to try to take a quarterback in this draft. And now that's two mocks that are out right now that suggest this is after the Senior bowl. That suggests that Cam Ward and Shador Sanders will be on the board when they pick at three. So there's some intel coming out of that week with all the. Again, you're talking to executives, you know, you're getting a feel for what teams are thinking and what they're feeling. And then scouts and I keep saying if two teams are going to pass and we know one of them you would argue might need a quarterback in the, in the Tennessee Titans, unless they want to just live with Will Leviss and his mistakes, which maybe they do. But if two teams are passing, then what's the problem? And then on top of it, if you have the choice of any quarterback, you don't want to make the wrong choice. You don't and that puts you in. Now another situation which is who is the best choice for the Giants out of these picks the mocks both have. And this is Field Yates and also Matt Miller and both of them have the Giants at three taking Cam Ward.

[Don LaGreca]

Now you think that just off of how much attention they've paid to Ward.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here, that and I think just Ward physically, you know, his physical talent and all the stuff that goes with him, I just think they rank him ahead. But if you are paying attention to what everybody's saying, that would be a mistake.

[Don LaGreca]

I say this every year with the draft. I don't know how it ever behooved the Giants to tell anybody what they're thinking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course.

[Don LaGreca]

So it's all just reading the tea leaves. Well, they spent a lot of time with Cam Ward. They're watching him. They must like him. Well, if they spend a lot of time with him, they might have seen the warts and decide they don't want to draft him. Or maybe they're so sold on Sanders they don't have to spend as much time. They're looking at Ward because they think Sanders might go ahead. I think you're telling me Shador Sanders drops Allen, it's because Tennessee and Cleveland believe that he's not going to want to go there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or there's better talent ahead of them.

[Don LaGreca]

That could be. But they both need quarterbacks. Now, Cleveland, you could say, well, they got all this money invested in Watson. Why not draft a receiver? Let's try to make it work with Watson. If Tennessee passes on him or either of them, it's because they don't think he's any good. Or they just say, we don't think Ward's good. We would take Sanders, but we think that Deion is going to pull a power play before the draft and say he ain't going to Tennessee. And if you look at the history, when Archie Manning made the stink about Eli going to San Diego, it was like two weeks before the draft. So you're not going to hear anything during the combine. You're not going to hear anything during pro days. You're probably going to hear it leading up to the draft. Hey, if you're Tennessee, don't take them. Maybe Tennessee just doesn't want to have that. So let's get out of the Sanders business so we don't get embarrassed. We never wanted them in the first place. I don't know. But don't take them just for the sake of taking them. If you like them, then take them. And that would be a coup. If you're sitting there at three and everybody killed the Giants for beating Indianapolis because they thought that would kill them on getting a quarterback. And you could be sitting there at 3 and can take either one. That would be pretty amazing, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. One of them.

[Don LaGreca]

You still have to like one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You better love one. Not like you better love.

[Don LaGreca]

Of course, you got to get a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Full bloom if you are right, full bloom if you're not. You can't say, well, we gotta take one. No you don't. And I'm telling you, we got plenty to discuss on that. We got plenty of time, of course, because the draft's not till April. But for the Giants, this is again, another franchise impactful moment for them and this regime that is still getting another year.

[Don LaGreca]

What are you doing the next decade? Is that. That's what this pick is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

Because it's not looking like a great decade considering who's in your. You know what I'm saying? But if you take the quarterback smoke, then at least there's hope, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

There's no hope. You could say, well, maybe, just maybe, this quarterback can turn my coach into something. Or we'll fire this coach and bring in a coach that could take advantage of this. Whatever. Well, that's the thing, some hope.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you take the quarterback that fits your coach or do you take the quarterback that you feel has the best chance, regardless of your coach?

[Don LaGreca]

Listen, it's still on the table because John Mara hasn't made great decisions. But. But if you are doubling down on him, don't do it for one year, especially when you're drafting third overall. Pick a guy that fits your head coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. Thank you. Okay. If that's the case, then I'll tell you who exactly they should be drafting.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Son of a gun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What happened it's brought to you by Live Nation. Tickets go on sale this Friday at [e-mail]. did you spill? You dribbled. Let me get you a bit. Never mind. Maya.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Don. I got gifts in the mail from Don and Nancy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Alan Hahn]

So lovely.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, you got it. I was worried because you didn't say anything. I'm like, oh, no, no.

[Alan Hahn]

It came. One came yesterday, and then one came today. I didn't even see the one today. And Natalie said what it was and. You ever have one of those moments where your wife says something to you and, you know, she stressed it, like, clearly, and I wasn't paying attention?

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, no.

[Alan Hahn]

So I didn't want to ask. So I don't know what the second gift was. What was it? So the thing I got yesterday that I opened.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know. You don't know, But I don't even know.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's be honest. You don't know. He doesn't even know what it was.

[Don LaGreca]

No, no, no. I did it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really.

[Don LaGreca]

But I don't know which came first. Which came first?

[Alan Hahn]

All right. So yesterday, the one that I opened was a Maya with her name on it, a bib, a little winter hat, and a blanket. Adorable or no. Yeah, blanket.

[Don LaGreca]

A blanket with her name.

[Alan Hahn]

With her name. Which, by the way, Natalie was very excited about it because she's planning for Maya's monthly birthday shoot. She's planning her shoot to be revolved around Valentine's Day because she's turning one month on Valentine's.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

So now you gave us a pink blanket with her name on it. She's gonna use it in the photo shoot.

[Don LaGreca]

The other thing, because I didn't know, because I ordered it at the same time. What would have come first? Okay, what's gonna come next is that kind of theme. It's a blanket signifying each month.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Whoa.

[Don LaGreca]

So you can put her on the month and you can take a picture. Because that's what we did with the kids. We had stickers. So every month they would hold up. We didn't stick it on them. They held up, like, 1, 2. So we can see them evolve through the first year. So you can kind of do that.

[Alan Hahn]

So this is very sweet, I gotta tell you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well done, Don.

[Alan Hahn]

So far, Don has come through with beautiful gifts now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Alan came through with the Jordans. Rick gave us a beautiful package the other day. What the hell was that again?

[Don LaGreca]

Ricky Marrow. It was just because she will turn 17 at some.

[Alan Hahn]

It was. It was. It Was like a towel and a few things. I forget, actually.

[Don LaGreca]

That's cool.

[Alan Hahn]

Sorry. But it was a lovely gift, whatever it was.

[Don LaGreca]

I loved it because you were very nice for. For the twins.

[Alan Hahn]

What did I give the twins?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, there was a couple of different things, but the thing I remember you gave us two humidifiers, which really came smart. Came in huge.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Classy.

[Don LaGreca]

Classy, because I didn't know. I didn't see that you had registered anywhere, so.

[Alan Hahn]

We did. We did. But I didn't send it to everybody. The Caister sent us the mamaroo. No, not the mamaroo. He sent us the thing that you put on the floor and you can tap it with your foot. What's that thing called? Baby Bjorn.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, okay.

[Alan Hahn]

He gave us a Baby Bjorn, but I haven't used it yet. She still's too small.

[Don LaGreca]

Wait a minute.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Baby Bjorn's kind of like a Baby Bjorn is what? You. You. When you literally take a backpack on the front?

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, it's not that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then that's what the Bjorn is.

[Alan Hahn]

This is another thing that's. This is a thing that she slides in it and it kind of keeps them slightly upright and they're, like, bouncing. And you can tap it with your foot. But she's still. She's getting bigger, but she's still too small for most of those things. She's wobbling around.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not good for the head.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, the mamaroo is a thing that my friend, my producer and friend from HOT Gave me. That Griff gave me. You put her in and it moves electronically, but she's still. I put an answer. She was screaming bloody murder.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you ever. If you've seen some of these things as they operate, you ask yourself, can they make that for an adult? Because I would sit in that.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that'd be mage. Just sit and watch tv.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like. Don, I know it's been a while. Have you been, like. When you go, like. I don't know. Does Babies R Us still exist? No, because that probably doesn't, but there was a time where Stephanie and I would walk around Babies R Us, and it was just. I'd see these different things you could put kids on. Can they make that for an adult? Because I'd sit in that all day. That looks comfortable.

[Alan Hahn]

It's amazing, the life of these kids.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I gotta tell you.

[Alan Hahn]

She's sleeping all day. You wake her up for a second. And then the second you wake her up, here you go. Here's today's morning stretchies, fresh out of the swaddle. And then they get up. You feed them. They hang for a little bit. Last night, we listened to our playlist. I. I wept like three times during my playlist. Look at that face.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Look at that face. That's adorable. You know, as she gets older, she will always look like that to you.

[Alan Hahn]

Is it true?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gracie's 16. She fell asleep. I was talking to Zach on the phone. We haven't. He's up, obviously, at school. She came in the room. I'm on the bed. I'm just talking to Zach. She decided just to sit next to me because she wanted to just hear her brother's voice. And the next thing you know, she fell asleep on me. And my wife came in, came in from practice with Callie, and she walks in the bedroom. She was almost in tears. Just how, like, she looks so little. She's 16 and she's 5'ten but she still looks like a little girl.

[Alan Hahn]

It's so crazy to me, though, because now I've always been emotional, but now having a little baby daughter, I'm so affected by even hearing that my brother still has moments with his kids. My brother's twins are 17, and I talked to him last week on their birthday on FaceTime. They wanted to see the baby, and both of his kids were kind of like, draped on him still. It's rare that it happens, but every once in a while as teenagers, they'll still do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

But they'll still give you a little bit. And I'm guessing you just want to take it. You're like, I'll take whatever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the absolute. And I don't want to move. My arm. Fell asleep. I'm numb. Don't care. Don't care.

[Don LaGreca]

That's one thing you mentioned about. They could still look that way. But Ryan had given me a heads up to this, and it's true, is that now as they get older, I try to picture them as infants, and it's hard for me to get there because of seeing where they are now. Right, but that's why you take so many pictures. That's the thing. There might have been 16 pictures of me, literally from the 8. Age is 0 to 20. No, it's true, but my parents did exactly like you. No, but what are you doing? You get to bring the camera out. It's almost like trying to drag the out in the backyard. And it's like it's a slide.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't a print, but anyway.

[Don LaGreca]

It might be different for you, but.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, no, no Polaroid.

[Don LaGreca]

It was like getting the camera out of it. It wasn't quite too much that, you know, the powder Flash, but it was close. It was.

[Alan Hahn]

You were. You were.

[Don LaGreca]

You were closer to that than the iPhone. When I was born, you were closer to the Powder Flash than you were the iPhone.

[Alan Hahn]

That is a. Literally, there was a bird. The Flintstones Pterodactyl.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.