Hour 1: Panarin Traded & NBA Moves

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
Episode: Hour 1: Panarin Traded & NBA Moves
Date: February 4, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Overview

This episode dives into a seismic day in New York sports, led by breaking NHL news about Artemi Panarin’s trade from the New York Rangers to the Los Angeles Kings. The trio analyzes the trade, its context, and fan reaction, while also covering major NBA moves approaching the trade deadline, including the Wizards’ declining fortunes, and offering sharp perspectives on the deteriorating landscape of sports journalism. The conversation, true to the show’s trademark, is witty, impassioned, and steeped in New York sports perspective.

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Major Segments & Key Discussion Points

1. Breaking News: Artemi Panarin Traded to the LA Kings

[03:00 – 04:59]

• Adam Schefter Breaks NHL News:
  Hosts are stunned that NFL insider Adam Schefter broke the Panarin trade news, highlighting ESPN and the NHL’s growing partnership.
  • Don Hahn: “Forget about the stadium series... This is the day [NHL and ESPN are] officially now together.” [03:31]
• Trade Details:
  The Rangers send Panarin to the Kings for a conditional third-round pick and prospect Liam Greentree, with the Rangers retaining 50% of Panarin’s salary.
• Fan and Host Reaction:
  The hosts note the lack of excitement for the return, given Panarin’s no-move clause and his restricted list of destinations.
  • Don Hahn: “A conditional third-round pick and Liam Greentree is not exactly something to get you overly excited.” [03:57]
  • Alan: “It’s them continuing to move on, Don. ...They weren’t going to have it sit for three weeks.” [04:26]
• NHL Roster Freeze & Olympic Context:
  The trade happened just before the Olympic roster freeze at 3:00pm, locking NHL transactions until the Olympics end.

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2. Why Did Schefter Break the News?

[05:12 – 06:26]

• Discussion around Adam Schefter’s surprising role as the news-breaker, with speculation on his sources and the overlap between NFL and NHL ownership/representation.
• Don Hahn: “He probably picked up on something while chasing something down at the Super Bowl.” [05:47]

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3. NBA Trade Deadline Moves & The Wizards’ Decline

[06:06 – 13:07]

• Mild NBA Trade Activity:
  Hosts echo the underwhelming moves: “It’s just mild but interesting moves.” [02:17]
• Anthony Davis to the Wizards:
  The hosts discuss the implication for Davis’ career, seeing Washington as an NBA “Siberia.”
  • Richard: “And just like that, a Hall of Fame career dies.” [07:13]
  • Alan: “[Washington] has become the place that you send players that teams just don’t really want.” [09:10]
• Trey Young & Kuzma:
  Ushered in as symbols of a wayward franchise that no longer inspires fan attendance or hope.
• Franchise Dysfunction:
  Stinging comparison between the Jets and Wizards in terms of organizational irrelevance and historic futility.
  • Alan: “The Wizards are the combination of bad and irrelevant.” [15:20]
  • Don Hahn: “The Jets, the one thing they have accomplished is being the worst franchise of the four major sports.” [12:01]

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4. Sports Journalism’s Collapse: The Washington Post Cuts

[22:11 – 26:16]

• Washington Post Guts Sports Desk:
  Jeff Bezos shutters the iconic Washington Post sports section, leading to a shared eulogy for the lost era of local papers.
  • Richard: “Why do people as rich as Jeff Bezos buy these things and their only way of being able to do business is to cut it down?” [22:36]
  • Alan: “No one consumes anything that’s 500 words, let alone...” [24:58]
• Changing Landscape:
  Discussion of paywalls, loss of classified revenue, and changing consumption habits.

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5. Panarin Trade Fallout: Fan & Host Reaction

[28:33 – 39:05]

• Caller Sam (Cleveland):
  Expresses rage and disappointment at the return for Panarin; hosts explain constraints of no-move clauses.
  • Don Hahn: “You’re going to lose him at the end of the season. What else was he supposed to do?” [29:25]
  • Alan: “You want to rant and scream...that’s fine…But you don’t know all the detail.” [31:06]
• Caller Robbie:
  Laments mismanagement post-Jeff Gorton era; hosts acknowledge emotional difficulty of the moment but stress long-term perspective.
  • Don Hahn: “Now you got to clean up all the broken bottles and vomit, and it’s hard to do.” [38:15]
• Host Analysis:
  Explain the lack of leverage due to Panarin’s chosen destination, the importance of draft capital, and challenge of a tear-down.

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6. NBA Trade Deadline Watch

[42:02 – 44:47]

• Brooklyn Nets-Raptors-Clippers Deal:
  The Nets acquire Ochai Agbaji in a three-team deal, continuing the trend of NBA cap-clearing and asset reallocation.
  • Alan: “All these moves we’re seeing are not about making us better…It always seems to be getting rid of people.” [42:02]
• Knicks’ Win Streak & Trade Deadline Hopes:
  Assessment of Knicks’ playoff standing and hopes Giannis doesn’t get dealt before Friday’s deadline.

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7. Revisiting the Panarin Trade, Prospect Details, and More Calls

[47:00 – 48:17]

• Breakdown of Return:
  More fan frustration over the perceived lackluster return; hosts clarify why a better haul was impossible.
  • Alan: “You’re not going to hit a jackpot...What you’re doing is moving on from some money. You’re in reset mode.” [47:03]
• Reason vs. Emotion:
  Hosts recognize the validity of fans’ anger but urge logic and patience.

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Notable Quotes

• “Forget about the stadium series... This is the day [NHL and ESPN are] officially now together.” — Don Hahn, [03:31]
• “A conditional third-round pick and Liam Greentree is not exactly something to get you overly excited.” — Don Hahn, [03:57]
• “And just like that, a Hall of Fame career dies.” — Richard (re: Anthony Davis to Washington), [07:13]
• “The Wizards are the combination of bad and irrelevant.” — Alan Hahn, [15:20]
• “No one consumes anything that’s 500 words, let alone...” — Alan Hahn, [24:58]
• “Now you gotta clean up all the broken bottles and vomit, and it’s hard to do.” — Don Hahn, [38:15]
• “You’re not going to hit a jackpot...What you’re doing is moving on from some money. You’re in reset mode.” — Alan Hahn, [47:03]

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Tone & Style

• The interplay is fast, sharp, and sarcastically affectionate—a blend of sports knowledge and fan therapy.
• Hosts balance humor with commiseration for frustrated New York fans, often using metaphors (“broken bottles and vomit”) to describe team dysfunction.
• Language is colloquial, direct, and at times self-deprecating, capturing the emotional swing unique to New York sports radio.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp (MM:SS) | |----------------------------------------------|-------------------| | Opening Banter & Weather | 00:00 – 01:27 | | Breaking: Panarin Trade | 03:00 – 04:59 | | Schefter’s Role & Media Crossovers | 05:12 – 06:26 | | NBA Trade Moves/Anthony Davis | 06:06 – 13:07 | | Jets vs. Wizards: Worst Franchise? | 12:01 – 17:07 | | Washington Post Slashes Sports Desk | 22:11 – 26:16 | | Calls: Panarin Trade Reactions | 28:33 – 39:05 | | NBA Trade Deadline Watch | 42:02 – 44:47 | | Return to Panarin (Prospect/Logic vs Emotion)| 47:00 – 48:17 |

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Conclusion

This episode is a microcosm of New York’s high-stakes, high-emotion sports scene. The Panarin trade sparks a heated autopsy of Rangers management, while broader frustrations spill over into debates about franchise dysfunction (Jets vs. Wizards) and the collapse of sports journalism. The NBA’s trade flurry and looming deadline add a sense of movement and anticipation—a moment-in-time check-in with New York sports fandom at its rawest and realest.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

Don, I was fighting with obesity. I wore.

[Rosenberg]

You're losing, Don.

[Alan]

Don.

[Don Hahn]

Peter.

[Alan]

Thank you, Alan. I hope you make the team.

[Rosenberg]

And Rosenberg.

[Richard]

Richard, have you ever heard of Brazzers?

[Don Hahn]

No. This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Rosenberg]

This is Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Peter]

The best threesome I've ever heard on.

[Rosenberg]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Don Hahn]

3 o' clock in the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg take you up until 6:30, and then the red hot Knicks play host to the Denver Nuggets and msg. Hopefully everybody's having a good day. Very similar to yesterday in the sense that it's a little bit warmer. Not warm per se, but a chance for the snow to melt a little bit. Sun's out. Guns out. Guns.

[Richard]

I knew it. I knew the guns were out.

[Don Hahn]

You like that?

[Richard]

I'm wearing a quarter zip.

[Don Hahn]

And here it is. Not a big day in sports, but one of the local football teams have a new OC as the Jets. Welcome in Frank Reich. And I think Jet fans are kind of excited because unlike Nagy, this one is a little sexy because we know Frank Reich. We've seen Frank Reich. He's coached, he's done successful things in the NFL as a quarterback and an OC and now he's with the Jets. And the Knicks, a topic of conversation as they win again, seven straight. They'll try to make it eight in a row tonight. We've got lots going on. Allen, how are you? I talked to Peter already, so I wanted to say hello.

[Alan]

Oh, yeah, no, I'm. I miss you guys. Again, I'm in exile here in the audio room at MSG as the Knicks player. Back to back. We love those. And I didn't get any hand emojis on my way in today despite sitting in lots of traffic. So no hand emojis today, which is sad.

[Don Hahn]

No hard emojis, you mean?

[Alan]

Yeah, well, I'd be like, you know, when emoji using your hand, there was the prayer of please let me into the lane. And then there was okay, hard emoji of thank you for letting me in. There was none of that today. So New York was back to being New York.

[Don Hahn]

New York was back to being New York.

[Alan]

Yeah, that's where we're at.

[Don Hahn]

But.

[Alan]

But you know what? The NBA trade deadline continues to percolate with some. With some mild but yet interesting moves. You know, like I.

[Don Hahn]

That's all it is.

[Alan]

It's just mild but interesting moves. That's all we keep seeing. James Harden finally did land in Cleveland and that's One. There's just smirks all over the league about how James just give him credit. He gets his money. He gets what he wants all the time. And then the Anthony Davis.

[Don Hahn]

And this is serious. We have an Adam Schefter bomb.

[Richard]

A real bomb.

[Alan]

Something just happened.

[Don Hahn]

Are you ready for this?

[Richard]

Is this real?

[Don Hahn]

It is. I double check to make sure it's real. No.

[Richard]

Is it like.

[Don Hahn]

Am I actually going to care? Well, yeah.

[Alan]

What's the level of care?

[Don Hahn]

Peter's not going to care. Allen's going to care. I care.

[Alan]

What?

[Don Hahn]

And Anthony Pusick is going to have to sleep on his back.

[Richard]

So why would I not care?

[Alan]

Oh. Panarin got traded. Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Adam shot.

[Alan]

The Panarin trade.

[Don Hahn]

The Los Angeles Kings have acquired standout forward Artemi Panarin from the New York Rangers in exchange for a conditional third round pick and prospect Liam Greentree. Per me and Emily Kaplan.

[Alan]

Wait a minute. Wait, wait. I was kidding. Don. That's a real thing?

[Don Hahn]

It's real.

[Alan]

Shefty Breaking hockey news.

[Don Hahn]

How about that? You know what? Today is the day officially. It's been four years.

[Richard]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Today is officially the day. Yeah. Where the NHL and ESPN are officially now together.

[Alan]

Has to be that. That.

[Don Hahn]

That Schefter is tweet Breaking news on hockey. Forget about the stadium series. Forget about two Stanley cup finals on ABC and espn. This is the day it'll be.

[Richard]

I can just smell the annoyance from every national hockey person that exists as Adam Schefter breaks the trade news.

[Alan]

Great.

[Richard]

How you feel about this? Is this great news?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Richard]

Listen.

[Don Hahn]

We knew he was going to get dealt and I had a feeling he was going to go to a Western Conference team. A conditional third round pick. And Liam Green trade is not exactly something to get you overly excited. But he was not sleeping on his back.

[Alan]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

I was just. I was trying to give a hint that Anthony cares.

[Alan]

I think he cares a lot.

[Don Hahn]

But the fact that they weren't going to bring him back and you got something for him. But it's. It's not. It's not that big of a deal if, unless, you know, Green Tree becomes the next big special player in the National Hockey League.

[Alan]

But it's them continuing to move on Don. Right.

[Don Hahn]

He wasn't going to listen. They weren't going to have it sit for three weeks.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

The. The NHL right now. I think it ended at this moment. Three o' clock was the roster freeze for the Olympics. Even though there are games tonight and tomorrow, you. You can't trade anybody. No transactions until after the Olympics are over. So the feeling was he wasn't going to sit there in limbo not having a team until they came back on April 20th. Excuse me, February 25th. So the feeling was it was going to happen today. I. I'm just shocked. It was shifty.

[Alan]

Well, did you see the alert? Emily Kaplan? She has, you know, again, she has the detail. Panarin has been traded to the kings, per me and ESPN's Adam Schefter.

[Richard]

What is this? Can someone honestly explain like how this happens, though?

[Alan]

Because Shefte must have heard it through one of his sources and brought it to light. And Emily confirms it. And there you go.

[Don Hahn]

It's interesting, but I just don't understand it.

[Alan]

Well, because Shetty has a lot of connections and you understand just people he's friends with. Well, it. And it. It could also involve. There are owners that are same NFL to NHL. There are agencies that represent players in multiple leagues.

[Don Hahn]

There was a time, there was a time where Jack Kent Cook owned the Kings and the Redskins.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Richard]

And the Lakers.

[Don Hahn]

And if that happened. Well, I was just using it from the relationship of the fact that Schefter might have been chasing a Washington store in and picked up news on this because of the same owner. It probably somewhere along those lines of while chasing something down at the Super Bowl. And the super bowl is on the west coast. It's in San Francisco, not that far from la. I mean, he probably picked up on something and they're all just sharing the story together.

[Alan]

AEG owns any NF NFL teams or anything like that? No, I don't think so. Right. This is Anschutz. Right. So I don't know. There's no.

[Don Hahn]

It'll be, Listen, it'll be interesting one day if we ever have Shefter on, by the way.

[Alan]

No, we got to ask him that.

[Don Hahn]

Day Panarin got dealt. How did you catch. Because listen, he grew up an Islander fan because he grew up out there along to say he doesn't like hockey or that he's a huge fan of it. He's probably very disinterested. He probably likes hockey.

[Alan]

No, he does.

[Don Hahn]

But he's an NFL guy and he's covered the NBA. He's done some sideline reporting for espn.

[Alan]

Well, he's.

[Don Hahn]

He loves the NBA and he loves the NBA. But I read his book and growing up on Long island, he was a part of the Islander fandom during the four Cups or whatever. But no, that was just kind of interesting. So that kind of just broke. I didn't mean to step on you talking about the Anthony Davis stuff because it is going to Washington, but we got a local story with a little flavor.

[Richard]

Let me just say it's not interesting. It's people going to. You know, the only thing interesting is.

[Don Hahn]

It'S interesting in its lack of interest.

[Richard]

Exactly.

[Alan]

Tell me, which are we talking about right now?

[Richard]

Back to ad.

[Alan]

Okay, we're back to ad.

[Richard]

Tell me real quick, Al, if my text was off base when I wrote. You wrote Anthony sent the news and I responded. And just like that, a Hall of Fame career dies. I mean, am I wrong? Will it be quick and it'll end up somewhere else? It seems like now the injury Davis sustained, which basically ruined the time in Dallas and now has led to this. It means like this could be a domino effect where he goes from being a part of something exciting in LA to it's just completely over.

[Don Hahn]

I like the NBA Siberia.

[Richard]

Completely.

[Alan]

Well, I mean, I like the Carrie Bradshaw of it all the way.

[Richard]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Alan]

But I can't deny it because of where the mentality of the Wizards right now is, is not to win. And he has one year left. He has now suddenly been tossed around the league a little bit now. Right? I mean, he chose the Laker thing, like that's what they wanted. But from there now it's like the Lakers. I mean, I guess Dallas wanted him for Luka. That's kind of what the plan was when Nico Harrison made the trade. But we all know, you know, the guy is. He's just. He's made of paper, like he just can't stay in one piece. And he's very expensive right now. And one year left, he's not going to play. Trace, did you see last night? Trae Young's on the bench and in Washington, Peter, they put him on the scoreboard to show him to the crowd. He was booed loudly. There were 17,000 people in the building. There was probably 16,000 Knicks fans.

[Richard]

Well, that doesn't surprise me either.

[Alan]

Yeah. And so, you know, that just shows you where the Wizards are right now. Where. Where an all star player they acquired was shown at home on the Jumbotron and was loudly booed. And now they have acquired another superstar player, hall of Fame talent. And they're not going to see either one of these guys on the court this season. And Trey's got an opt out and this guy's got. AD's got one year left before he can opt out. Do they extend both these guys? Do they really invest in that future with those two? So I don't know what's going on there, but you're right. It just feels like they have become the place that you send players that teams just don't really want, and they. They don't have anything. So they'll take them. They're desperate enough to take them.

[Richard]

Kyle Kuzma, Trey Young, Anthony Davis.

[Alan]

On paper, it looks like a team that could be, you know, decent.

[Richard]

We just send people there until. And then in the case of Kuzma, maybe they go somewhere else and maybe gets better. Maybe it's the end. It just depends. But, yeah, you don't get any sense that winning is. Is something they're thinking about Washington. It's sad.

[Don Hahn]

It makes me.

[Alan]

Not this year. They don't want to. Because I told you about the draft pick thing. They don't want to lose.

[Richard]

That is the year they get better. It's been.

[Don Hahn]

I mean.

[Richard]

I mean, we pointed out during the meeting they won the. The division.

[Don Hahn]

Don't give it away.

[Richard]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Because I want to know if Alan would know the last.

[Richard]

I think he may have heard it.

[Don Hahn]

Did you hear it?

[Alan]

I didn't know. I didn't hear it.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, good.

[Alan]

What were you guys talking about?

[Don Hahn]

When was the last time the Wizards won the division?

[Alan]

A division.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, division title. They've got eight of them in franchise history.

[Alan]

Well, they're in the same division as Miami, so it has not been recent. I'll go back. 1.

[Don Hahn]

The division, won the division. You'll pass out.

[Alan]

Early 90s.

[Richard]

That's what you should think you should be.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

All right. The other. The other option, then it would be like, late 70s.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no. I will say. I will say the. What? There's. There's one. The second Most recent is 1979. That was the year they went to the finals in the second most recent.

[Alan]

79. Okay, well, what's in the. What's the most.

[Richard]

Well, here's the one that'll lose your mind.

[Don Hahn]

2017.

[Alan]

That makes sense.

[Don Hahn]

Yesterday.

[Richard]

It was yesterday.

[Alan]

Sure. That's when John Wall and Bradley Beal.

[Richard]

That's right.

[Alan]

Were healthy for about five minutes.

[Richard]

Yeah, they had five minutes.

[Don Hahn]

That was their first division title. Yeah.

[Alan]

Okay. And it shows you. I don't even remember it because we.

[Don Hahn]

Were talking about our. Because we had the conversation a few months ago. The most irrelevant franchise. The worst franchise, but they have won a championship in. Since 1978. That's still nine years more recent than the Jets.

[Richard]

True, but it's. It's.

[Alan]

But.

[Richard]

But here's my argument.

[Don Hahn]

Or 10.

[Richard]

The jets have recent, relatively recent conference championship Games they played in.

[Alan]

What are you trying to suggest that.

[Richard]

The jets are better than the Wizards? I would take the jets over.

[Don Hahn]

You can make that case.

[Alan]

No, I cannot make that case.

[Richard]

I'm telling you, I live.

[Alan]

Can't make. You can't possibly make the case. The jets and they're. And they're in a dog fight with the Browns. Dog fight. But the jets, the one thing they have accomplished is being the worst franchise of the four major sports.

[Richard]

No, I.

[Alan]

No, no, there's not a worse franchise.

[Don Hahn]

The reason why I would side with Alan is the wizards have gone four finals.

[Richard]

The last one was what, 79.

[Don Hahn]

79.

[Richard]

Yeah, that was the last one. That was the year I was born. I'm from D.C. they never went my whole life.

[Don Hahn]

I understand. But The Knicks, I'm 46 years old, returned to the super bowl since January of 1969.

[Richard]

But they were on the doorstep twice. The Wizards aren't even invited to the doorstep. I think the second round. When was the last time they went to the second round? I don't even remember that.

[Alan]

Probably when they played LeBron.

[Richard]

I was going to say against Cleveland. LeBron.

[Alan]

It's got to be like the. The late 10 in the. No, the late single 2000s. Yeah, like the 0708 initial LeBron run.

[Richard]

The initial LeBron.

[Alan]

Yeah, that's Gilbert and all them. Yeah, that's probably arena and Critten and. Yeah, that whole. And them boys.

[Richard]

And then boys.

[Alan]

Stephen A. Would say. Yeah, I'm. I'm gonna go with that.

[Richard]

And that would be the second round.

[Alan]

Yeah, I think that's probably the last 2016.

[Richard]

They made the second round division is.

[Don Hahn]

The same year that they went to the second round.

[Alan]

Who'd they beat in the first round?

[Richard]

Do you see who they won?

[Don Hahn]

Gaming one second.

[Richard]

So it was the same.

[Don Hahn]

It is an interesting conversation.

[Richard]

They're really bad.

[Alan]

But let's talk about operation because you can look at the fact they didn't get to a final, as we know for. And I'm not saying they're a good franchise for bad franchise. It's very hard to do. Right. But a couple of things that they've done right. Number one, moving back downtown. That was smart. That was smart building there. But I'm saying it's. But it's. Isn't it all inclusive recently? Because if recently I just won the. I won the battle. They haven't made the playoffs. The jets haven't made the playoffs in 15 years. There's no other franchise in the four major sports that haven't Even made the play everybody's made the franchise made the playoffs.

[Richard]

Everybody helps you. That, that stat helps you think of.

[Alan]

Think of the most pathetic franchise you can think of. And they've made the playoffs while the jets haven't in 15 years.

[Don Hahn]

But you know what. But here's another thing is that. And listen, I'm more of a football guy than a basketball guy.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But between the two of us, and I understand their rosters are bigger. I can think of way more significant jets than Wizards slash Bullets.

[Richard]

That's great call.

[Alan]

Yeah, that's true too.

[Richard]

But I get a lot of significant players.

[Alan]

What they've. What they've done since they had to move on from Beal and Wall because that's what they were building on. But both those guys couldn't stay healthy. And it reached a point they tried to pay him. They tried to keep that team together. They had a vibe there for a minute, but it just. It just couldn't take. So they had to move on from them. And by doing that, what happens when you move on from two megastars like that? And remember, Beal didn't want to leave. It took forever for him to get out of there. Finally did. And now you see why. He kind of liked, you know, being able to play under the. The cloak of bad franchise. Not me. Until you put him on other teams and realize maybe you were part of the problem.

[Don Hahn]

I think we're looking at it the wrong way. Just about, you know, championships and playoff appearances. The Washington Capital, the Washington Wizards are the combination of bad and irrelevant.

[Richard]

That's the. Because the jets are relevant. Because at least the jets stay relevant.

[Don Hahn]

They are in huge celebrity fans being in New York.

[Richard]

They had Aaron Rodgers.

[Don Hahn]

They had moments where they were capable enough for people to pay attention to and you know, you could listen, care.

[Richard]

About them being bad.

[Don Hahn]

And here's the thing. Washington's not nowhere. Washington, pretty major market. You look at the other teams in Washington, right? People care that people care. Like even the Capitals, they won once they got Ovechkin. Like the Capital's been way more relevant than the Wizards.

[Richard]

The Commanders, when they completed, completely stink. People talk about them.

[Alan]

Yeah, they exist. Here's your other thing, though. They're all owned by the same team. The same guy that owns the Capitals. Correct.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Richard]

Feels familiar, huh?

[Alan]

All right, so you can't call him a bad owner. He did raise a cup. Hockey team does very well, very competitive. Well, I mean, the Rangers were good for a while when the Knicks weren't good.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

The key's been Trying to get them good at the same time, which we've seen at times, but not enough. But I'm just saying, like, when you look at the jets, it stinks from the head, the whole thing. Like, that's what makes them bad. And see, Don's right. It's not just about appearances. It's not just about what you see on the surface, which is what we're watching. And I agree with you, the relevancy thing, that does matter because the jets stink. And it's still a story. But it's only that because they're in New York. But I'm telling you, the fact that you could look at the Wizards and say, you can't blame ownership. When you look at the jets, it's the first thing you can blame. That's what makes a pathetic franchise. So I think they still are ranked above the Wizards. If we're power ranking all of the. The franchises in the four major sports, they have to be above the Wizards. They have to be.

[Don Hahn]

This shows you how sad it is that Allen is adamantly arguing, like, don't take the fact that my jets are the worst franchise in sports. Don't take that away from me. I need. I need some time.

[Richard]

He wants to have something now. You know what I would like throughout the day, I need to be at a topic.

[Don Hahn]

That's all I got.

[Richard]

I think, I think it could be fun, though, throughout the day, since it is one of those weird super bowl week, not a lot going on kind of weeks. If throughout the day you want to call us and make your play on why your team is actually the worst, feel free.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. Because I don't think anybody could argue it better than a fan of that.

[Richard]

No, they're the ones who get it the most.

[Don Hahn]

They will get it the most.

[Alan]

Well, the Sabres were there until this season. Well, something suddenly happened. I don't know what it was.

[Richard]

Are they still winning?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, they've lost, but I mean, they're still hot. They're. They're. They're playing exceptionally well. Fired a general manager. Nikolainen didn't do anything, didn't make a trade. And all of a sudden, when did they fire?

[Alan]

When did they fire?

[Don Hahn]

The. Kevin Adams got. What was that like, around Christmas?

[Alan]

December. Ish.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, late December. Ish.

[Alan]

And they just went on a tear, a toot, as Dom would say, which.

[Don Hahn]

Which tells you getting back kind of to the Knicks and not making the trade for Giannis. The fact that they traded, they. They changed the general manager. He did nothing. Probably galvanized that room Like, I believe in you guys. We don't have to do a thing and start. Start winning. And they started winning. It's a great. And Buffalo's gonna go to the playoffs, which is gonna have the jets standing alone.

[Alan]

Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

The longest drought in North American sports. There were ties with the Sabers at 14. The jets held up their end of the bargain. They made it 15 straight. Looked like the Sabres gonna make a 15 straight. The Devils beat them 5 nothing on black Friday. And I was talking to Rob Ray, he's telling me, this is bad, man. I don't know what we're gonna do. And now they're one of the hottest teams. Looks like they're going to the playoffs. So the jets will stand alone. So we got lots on the table to talk about. One thing on Panarin, though, that, that Emily Kaplan's reporting, that's the only place that he wanted to go was the kicks. So that really put the Rangers in a tough spot. Right. They gotta deal him. He's a free agent at the end of the year. They told him, we're not resigning you. They. They went in a letter, basically told the world, we're trading him. He only wanted to go to the King, so what do you expect? All your leverage completely evaporates. But you had to do it. You had to do it. You're not just going to have him walk for nothing. You're not going to have him, you know, play on a team that's not going anywhere. So that's if you're wondering why they didn't get the haul you were hoping for. And the Kings listen, they're taking a chance because they're on the outside looking for the playoffs, you know, but who knows? They get in well, they can make some sort of a run with a guy that could really help on special teams, for sure.

[Alan]

It's Kopitar's last run, too. Right. So they're trying to.

[Don Hahn]

He's already. Yeah, he's already announced.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So they really want to.

[Alan]

They. You know, it's like a. This is their way of saying, like, let's give this guy one more run. I mean, they've had some heartbreaks the last couple of years. The Kings couldn't get past the Oilers. Right. Two years in a row. So you can see why the Kings are doing it. But I'll tell you what, Anthony knows this. It's very on brand for Panarin, isn't it? You know, he was about to sign with the Islanders and really preferred to be on the. The Rangers Stage. The Rangers were not in a, in the business at that point of signing a guy like him. But somehow, some way they figured it out and they brought him in and that's what he wanted. He wanted Broadway, he didn't want off Broadway. And so when, now they're saying, okay, well we're shipping you out of here. You're, we're kicking you out of Broadway. Where do you want to go? Well then send me to Hollywood. It's very on brand. That's where he wanted. The big city, the big market, the big glitzy temp. So it says a lot.

[Don Hahn]

But also it worked out for both the Rangers and Panera. It was a very, very good sign. All right. They didn't win a cup, but they went to a couple of conference finals. You can make the case. The Panarin goal in Game 7 against the Penguins, probably the biggest goal the Devils, the Rangers have had since Pato, right? That was a big deal. They win the first round series against Sidney Crosby and the Bengals. Sidney was hurt, but then take that to a conference final. He's a good player here, but it ran out and now he's a Los Angeles king and we'll see what can happen there. So that's on the table. The Washington Wizards deal with Dallas on the table. Frank Reich, that's not nothing. They still need a quarterback. But you know, Frank Reich, that, that name resonates with people. So he is the OC of the New York Jets.

[Alan]

I think he'll help Glenn. I think that's the most important thing is like remember Wilkes was supposed to sort of be a guy that and Glenn admitted this. Bring in somebody that has head coaching experience that can help him through some things that you have to know as a head coach. Well, Frank Reich, I mean he's, he's seen and done a lot and he has. Now, he wasn't a successful head coach, but I, but he has done it and I think that's going to help, that's going to help Glenn and let him just run the offense, stay out of his way. You're going to be play calling on defense, apparently. So you got enough there to keep you busy.

[Richard]

Well, I'd also be remiss while we spent all this time talking about the Wizards to not mention that today Jeff Bezos decided to demand a third of the entire Washington Post be fired. And they have shuttered the entire sports desk.

[Alan]

They made them all get on an 8:30 Zoom meeting this morning.

[Richard]

Killed, killed the sports desk altogether. They're going to keep a Few sports reporters who also have to write features saw this coming. And by the way, I don't, I don't really understand the political part of this. So this is not a political conversation. I just don't understand why people as rich as Jeff Bezos buy these things and their only way of being able to do business is to cut it down and just keep cutting and cutting and cutting, not finding a way to make it profitable in any way. So the Washington Post now another one of the great institutions of journalism. And as a sports fan, the sports page I read my whole life with some of the greatest names. Guys, we're talking about some of the iconic sports writing names of all time.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Richard]

That have been on that sports page. Sally Jenkins, you know, it just is Thomas Boswell, iconic names. Michael Wilbon that are now all nothing.

[Don Hahn]

We talked about it a couple of weeks ago when I was in Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh Post Gazette also out of business. I mean this is just. That's what happens, right? And people aren't reading newspapers anymore. They tried to make it work online. It's hard. You see it, as soon as you see you got to pay for an article, you move on. How many times you're on social media. Oh, that's an interesting article. By when, you know, when Larry Brooks was still with us Hockey, I go, oh, go click on the New York Post. Oh, I gotta, I gotta pay for it. But I'm out.

[Richard]

It feels like a lack of thoughtfulness though. Cuz YouTube has figured out a way to make people continue to go through ads. Even if you watch them for a few seconds and skip ahead. There's money being made there. I don't know why there's, I don't know why. There's no way in the print world to have found a way.

[Alan]

No one wants to sit like again.

[Don Hahn]

They don't want to do it.

[Alan]

The mistake of course was at the very beginning. And it's like, I remember it in the late 90s when it started to become a thing and there was a lot of debate in the newsroom about it is putting your stories online, make it available to your readers and another way to consume the product. And there was always these arguments about one day this is going to replace the newspaper. And we would say like, but you want something tangible in your hand, you can turn the page like you want that. But some papers started giving it away for free. Started just posting it online as well. And what happened was is people realized, why am I paying for the newspaper to be delivered? I'm getting it. You Know, in the morning, I don't like the news that happens later in the day. I don't get to read it. Later in the day. People started saying, why am I bothering buying this paper? And that started to kill the business. It's, it's just now no one consumes anything that's 500 words, let alone.

[Don Hahn]

No, they don't want to read, they want to see video of it. They want that interaction.

[Alan]

Yeah, I don't want to read this. Just tell me, tell me what I need to know. I don't want to read this.

[Richard]

And also, uninventive rich people buy up everything and don't want to spend money. They want to have the glory of owning the thing. But when it doesn't deliver the huge money, oh, no one told you newspaper wasn't going to be the most lucrative business. So all they do is shut it down branch by branch.

[Alan]

But it dies also. And again, this is really behind the curtain. Here's where it dies. Also, people don't realize this advertising is one thing that newspapers made a lot of money on. Those big full page, you know, auto ads and stuff that you remember from back in the day. And the inserts, right, that was always a big thing. But classifieds, nobody needs that anymore.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan]

You know, and that's gone. So nobody's buying up all the little classified, like three or four pages of classified ads of different things and help wanted and all that stuff. It's, all that stuff is gone now. So the revenue streams that used to be there, that propped up so many of these newspapers disappeared. And with the age of the Internet and they never knew how to make money off of being online other than charging people for the paper, which no one wants to do, because why would I do that when this newspaper doesn't charge me and I'll just go to them.

[Don Hahn]

There's, there's the story of, hey, it's business. And now it's become a dinosaur. You got to move on. But there's the journalistic side of it too, where that all now gets lost.

[Alan]

I hate it.

[Don Hahn]

And it just, it's, it's a really, really sad day to see that come to an end.

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[Richard]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

You got a little bit of a surprise coming up on the Inn. No, I suggested it. Hopefully it'll be okay. Executed. We'll see.

[Alan]

One of my favorite lines from a movie.

[Don Hahn]

Well, there you go. Keep, keep your thought on, on that. Just a couple other things. On the Panarin deal, the Kings or the Rangers retain, you know, 50% of his salary, so the, there's relief there. And then the Kings extended them two years. $22 million. So 11 million annual salary for Panarin. So he wanted to be there. The only place he wanted to be. And we've already gotten word that the Devils are done. They got Nick Buxtad from the St. Louis Blues. The reason why this is not the trade deadline per se, but there was a shutting down of a freezing of rosters before the Olympic break at three o' clock today. So whatever deals had to get done before the Olympics had to get done today. No more deals until everybody comes back from Milan, which won't be till the end of February. So that's why we've got some, some stuff brewing there. 1-800-919-3776. Let's get back to the busy phones and let's start it off with Bobby. He's a Bellmore. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Bobby? Bobby going once. Big Bob going twice.

[Richard]

Bobby.

[Don Hahn]

All right, three times a lady. Let's go to Sam in Cleveland. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Sam?

[Sam (Caller)]

This trade is an absolute freaking catastrophe. I get he's got the absolute, you know, he's got the no move clause and all that, but if you're Chris Drury, you have to get LA to pony up a little bit more. We had to give up more for a rental. Patrick Kane, who is also old and not to mention injured at the time. This is an absolute disgrace, an absolute disgrace to the fans. And then the extension is 2 by 11.

[Robbie (Caller)]

Million.

[Sam (Caller)]

This entire time. What was the information that we were given for all of this? I mean, it's, this is terrible.

[Don Hahn]

He wanted to go to the law.

[Robbie (Caller)]

He needs to get sent to the sun. This is awful.

[Don Hahn]

Wait a minute. Let me just talk you off the ledge for a second, okay? It wasn't Panera. It wasn't Drury. The gay Panera in the no movement clause. He only wanted to go to the Los Angeles Kings. You're going to lose him at the end of the season. What else was he supposed to do?

[Sam (Caller)]

You still got to make the trade. But like you look at what Rasmus Anderson just did with Vegas and Calgary. It was the same thing. It was a similar situation where he said, I would only want to sign with Vegas and Calgary was able to get a first round pick and more picks and I think a prospect for Rasmus Anderson and I get it. Yeah, there's a little bit of the age difference and everything. He's 29 type of scenario.

[Don Hahn]

He's 29 years old. Like it's apples and wrenches. It's not the same thing. Listen, I'm not going to sit here and tell Ranger fans to love Chris Drury. You want to hate him, Go ahead and hate him. Devil fans hate Fitz. You know, that's the way it works when your team's losing. You're going to hate the coach, you're going to hate the general manager. But the one thing I'll say about Drury is he did not give out these no movement clauses. His team is not good. He is trying to change that. You are not going to extend Panarin. You said it. You put in a letter. And because he's got the muscle with the no movement clause, I only want to go to Los Angeles. I'm only going to sign an extension there. And he's of an age right now where you know what, you're not going to get a lot for him. As far as Anderson is 29 years old and more productive in his career. Different position. You understand what I'm saying, Alan?

[Alan]

I absolutely understand what you're saying. I also understand there's a lot of people who are rightfully frustrated with the Ranger situation. I understand that. But to pretend you know more than what he's dealing with right now is absurd. If you want to, you want to rant and scream, that's fine. You have every right to do that. But you don't know all the detail then. And Don's giving it to Anthony as well. I know Anthony's probably holding back right now because he probably wants to go crazy, but there are a lot of details and a lot of facts that you can't overlook because your emotions are getting in the way. I totally understand why people are frustrated with Chris Drury. I get it. But to think that you could have done better.

[Richard]

But.

[Don Hahn]

But don't. Don't.

[Alan]

He had control, you didn't. And all you're trying to do is just get rid of him, get him out.

[Don Hahn]

But don't.

[Alan]

That's all you're trying to do.

[Don Hahn]

But don't use the comparison. Anderson, who's a 29 year old defense.

[Alan]

Like I said, Don, we're not using reason. Right. We're not using reason. We're just using anger and frustration and just coming up with reasons to want to say what they want. Right now. This is now going to be the torches and pitchforks for Chris Drury. This is what you know is it's been going on for a year already and this is not going to stop now until he. If he's still going to be the general manager here. He's got to figure out a way to rebuild the team where it starts to show. Okay, now you can. His. His work starts to show, but right now, the teardown is the hardest part. It's ugly. We should have gotten more. Really? Well, what were you going to get more?

[Don Hahn]

Liam Greentree is 20 years old right now.

[Alan]

You have no idea what he is.

[Don Hahn]

He's playing in the ohl.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

For the Windsor Spitfires, which is a good organization.

[Alan]

Organization.

[Don Hahn]

In 34 games, he's got 23 goals, 22 assists for 45 points and plays with an edge. He's got 46 penalty minutes. He's a plus 11.

[Alan]

He's an age out junior, so he's an older player playing against a lot of younger guys. He's 20 playing in junior, so he's an older guy. Age out junior. So this is it for him. And after this season, he's got to figure it out whether he's in the AHL or whether he's with the Rangers.

[Don Hahn]

So you got a prospect you got to pick. All right, but what were you going to say to the Kings? I want more. And the Kings go, no, you're not getting more.

[Alan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Don Hahn]

And then, oh, well, by the way, it's five minutes to three. Thank you. Are we doing.

[Alan]

There you go, Don. Don, you make sense. But I can again, I'm not trying to belittle a fan who's mad. You have every right to be mad. I get it.

[Don Hahn]

You're. You should be red hot. I'm going through with the Devil fans, too. Yeah, they lost again last night. Got shut out. Looks like their season's lost. You know, they're chanting fire fits in the building. I mean, people are red hot. They get I'm never going to be upset with them being mad. They pay the money for the tickets. They love the team. They're passionate about the team. Team.

[Alan]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

You shouldn't suspend logic and reality when you're ripping into these guys.

[Alan]

Well, no, we. Again, that's why we're here, right? Like, the easy thing is for us to do the.

[Don Hahn]

The.

[Alan]

You know, again, the. The just, you know, the. The whole clown show thing of screaming and yelling and this guy should be fired. That guy should be fired. He's out of either. You could have done this. You could have done that. And have the fans all just nodding, going. Dawn's right. They could have gotten way more, you know, like. Like, like that. All you're doing is you're spoon feeding fans emotion, but you're not helping them every train. So you want that. That's not what you're gonna get here. You're gonna get logic and reason and explain it to you, because we know how this works.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, I can call the Dallas Stars. I can call the Colorado Avalanche. I can call the Anaheim Ducks. No, I can't. Because the guy with the no movement clause only wants to go to la.

[Alan]

Exactly. Yeah, he had you in a barrel, but.

[Richard]

Beep. But be mindful, because knowing everyone. Everyone with a brain knows that's what it is, and it doesn't make it less annoying. Right?

[Alan]

I agree.

[Richard]

It doesn't. Like a. Okay, well, then maybe you shouldn't have had that clause in the first place, but. And now that you have the clause, you got to find a way to get it done now.

[Don Hahn]

But Drury wasn't the one to give it to him.

[Alan]

Was that going?

[Don Hahn]

So he's trying to deal with what.

[Richard]

He was dealt with.

[Don Hahn]

See, that's the one thing I'll say about Drury. He's made his mistakes. Every general manager has, but he inherited a lot of these issues, and he's trying to clean it up. All the. All the Ranger fans agree. This roster doesn't work. We got to blow it up. All right, well, he's trying to do that, but you got this guy with a no movement clause abandoned. Jad doesn't want to go anywhere. Truba will only go to three teams and then extend it to five, and then maybe 10. And, you know, and, you know, it's just. It's a really, really, really difficult spot.

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[Don Hahn]

That was well done.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Richard]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Alan]

Very good.

[Don Hahn]

Robbie's in the car. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Robbie?

[Robbie (Caller)]

Gentlemen. How are you today?

[Don Hahn]

Good. How are you?

[Robbie (Caller)]

Well, not so good. You guys are correct. You know, you guys are giving me some reason here, being a disgruntled Rangers fan about the Artemi Pranarin trade. But regardless of that, it just. It just doesn't feel good. It feels terrible.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Robbie (Caller)]

You know, the beginning of the season, the Rangers said, oh, no BS and ny, no bs. And the whole season has been bs. The whole season has felt bad. And honestly, I feel like this, this problem goes back even further than, you know, the no movement clauses. It feels like it goes back further to letting go. Probably the best GM I've seen in. I mean, I'm only 30, but the best GM that I've seen in the Rangers history in Jeff Gordon. The guy feel like he made so many good trades and made this team. Really what it is today, today. And to let him go back then is just. I feel like it's starting to trickle down and it just. Everything just feels bad. It feels like we're a joke of an organization.

[Don Hahn]

Well, there's a few things at play.

[Robbie (Caller)]

Gosh, I feel like I need some better help.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he's trying to do a transition.

[Alan]

That was very good. That would have been a great transition.

[Don Hahn]

Our listeners are starting to pick up on it, too.

[Alan]

Love it.

[Don Hahn]

Here's the deal, Robbie. And it just ties into Panera. I agree with you I think JD And Gordon had done a really good job. You take a look at what Boston had on their roster when he was there, the job that he did when he went to Montreal. He is a very good general manager, and I think JD Is a very good president. He's done a good job. Over returning to Columbus. They had a plan in place after the letter. All that got escalated when Panarin became available and they signed Panarin, and all of a sudden some decisions started to get made to, instead of being patient, they started to go for it, and they started to make some decisions that now they're regretting. Chris Drury inherited those. So as good as those guys were, some of the issues that Drury is dealing with were JD And Gordon's issues. And now it didn't work out. You had a couple of conference final runs, you danced a couple of times. It was fun. And now you gotta clean up the mess. Party's over. Now you got to clean up all the broken bottles and vomit, and it's hard to do. So let's see if he can do it. I'm not telling you to be happy. This is a sad day. If you're a Ranger fan, it is. You saw it coming. But it's sad. You know what's sad? Your team's in last place in the Eastern Conference. That sucks. But you're gonna have to try to clean it up. But I'm not gonna tell you to have faith. I'm not gonna tell you it's gonna be quick. But this is. This is what happens. This is the comedown after a great party. Now you got to clean it up.

[Richard]

Vomit, beer, sticky floors, nightmare, right?

[Alan]

But like, we were just talking about this, right? A lot of times when you're a general manager and you have a group that you believe in and you want to see if they can go on a run, you do all the things you can to secure that group together. And leave no doubt that this is your. This is our core. We believe in you guys. And you say to yourself, I'm not going to be around when, like, if this doesn't work out, I won't be the one having to clean it up. Right? Like, that's what it really becomes. It's. It's sort of trading away all these draft picks to get these players. And if it doesn't work and you don't get a championship, I won't be the one that has to worry about not having those draft picks in 10 years.

[Don Hahn]

See, that's the point you just made. Yankees went through it. And, you know, Jeter's career deteriorating, breaking his leg against Detroit, having to sit there with the money and landlocked by CC Sabathia, by the money that he was making. But you kind of live with it because those players brought you championships. Right? All these championship teams eventually have to go through it. The problem here is, is that the Rangers are going through it. It was a hell of a party, but it wasn't a championship party. It was a couple of conference final appearance parties. So it'd be a little bit different had they celebrated a championship and maybe it'd be a little bit easier to swallow. But it's hard. You know, it's a tough day. And the thing that really hurts is you hope, but you don't know if.

[Richard]

It'S all gonna work itself out.

[Don Hahn]

And if it does work itself out, how long will it take for that to happen?

[Alan]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

Right.

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[Richard]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Alan]

That's interesting.

[Don Hahn]

1-800-919-3776. Pretty cool that we're getting a lot of traction off the Panarin deal. A lot of Ranger fans still, people love hockey.

[Alan]

There's a lot of Ranger fans out there. Yeah, let's hear from them.

[Don Hahn]

And it is. It is breaking news, so we're going with it.

[Alan]

Can I also real quick.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, go ahead, please.

[Alan]

Just real quick, Don. We'll get right back to the call, but there is a trade involving a New York team. The Nets have acquired. This is interesting what they did. They're in a three team deal. According to Shums and the Nets, the Raptors and the Clippers are doing something here. The Raptors are acquiring Chris Paul. They're not going to play him. They're acquiring his rights basically. But the Raptors have moved. They've moved on from Ochai Abaji, who was, he's. He was a good, really good college player and he was, I believe, a first round. Yeah, he's a lottery pick and they're not using. So the Nets acquired him. It's another 6, 5 wing for them. They've got a million of these young wings the Nets have, but they have him. I like him, he's a good player. But the Nets took him and the Raptors are kind of just trying to clear out some space on their roster. So all these moves we're seeing are not about, hey, we made a move to make us better. It always seems to be moves about getting rid of people and moving people. And the Clippers just basically got rid of Chris Paul and James Harden. So yeah, it's.

[Don Hahn]

And more of these because we are now less than 24 hours away from the NBA's trade deadline and there'll be a major focus on does Giannis get moved as the Knicks continue to win seven in a row. Not a big deal. Beating the Wizards, they're supposed to do that. But you know what? 132 points.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Is not nothing.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And now we'll see what they do tonight because the Joker's in second to back to backs with travel. Not a lot of travel, but travel. So we'll see if that comes to an end tonight. But even if it does, I don't think you should feel any worse about this Knicks team and especially if Giannis has not moved. So tomorrow, three o' clock and maybe a little bit behind, a little bit after. Beyond, I should say we'll see if, if Giannis doesn't get dealt and if he doesn't get dealt, then I think Dick fans could be cool with that. He didn't end up anywhere. You can wait till the off season. And now the players all clear. It does feel like, especially with some of the major moves we've seen today, it feels like you're out of the woods. But I guess until you, you get significantly past three tomorrow.

[Alan]

Right. It just feels like teams are, are preparing for the summer now with clearing off some, some space and getting under the tap, like different getting away from the apron. There's a lot of strategic Moves. These are chess piece moves right now.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

This doesn't feel like, you know, setting up for the mega move, but we. Again, I. Minnesota's laying in the.

[Don Hahn]

Minnesota already did that, so.

[Alan]

And I'm. I'm watching what they're gonna do here.

[Don Hahn]

And I think you'll feel better if we get a shams report tomorrow that the Timberwolves are done.

[Alan]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

No moves. And then you'll probably breathe a sigh of relief if you're a Knick fan. Let's go to Thomas in New Jersey. You're on espn, New York. Hi, Tom. Hey, Don.

[Peter]

This is one of those that kind of feels like a kick in the teeth with the way the Panarin saga ended. I mean, we all, we all saw the running on the wall, read through the tea leaves with the letter 2.0. But the fact that Chris Drury continues to get played like a fiddle with trade, and you can argue, oh, he.

[Don Hahn]

Only wanted to go to la.

[Peter]

He only wanted L. A. The best you could get is Liam Green tree, a who's not really going to light the world up based off his, oh, I'm sure he's 23 goals, 22 assists in 34 games. That's what, about a point and a half?

[Don Hahn]

But Thomas, I'll ask again, what could Drury do if he only wanted to go LA instantaneously? He signed a contract extension there. He only wanted to go to the Kings.

[Alan]

I don't know what you were looking for. What were you looking for?

[Don Hahn]

What were they going to give you? The first round pick that the other caller mentioned, Erasmus Anderson with Calgary when they made the trade. Yeah, because he's a 29 year old defenseman. The Kings are a point out of a playoff spot. But I got news for you. The Los Angeles Kings aren't winning a cup this year.

[Alan]

What is it like? Don, help me out here. So in moving Panarin, what are you doing?

[Don Hahn]

Well, getting something as opposed to having him be on your team and then walking as a free agent and you get nothing.

[Alan]

Right, so there's that. They also got a pick, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yes, a third round pick. They can become a second round pick. What? Anthony, the Los Angeles Kings make it to the third comes a second.

[Robbie (Caller)]

If they win a round, they get a conditional fourth if they win a second round.

[Don Hahn]

Okay, so.

[Alan]

So again, you're looking for draft capital. You're setting yourself up for that. Like I like what were you. What did you think you were going to get? You're not going to get a high level prospect for a.

[Don Hahn]

They're Going to change a byfield. I mean, that wasn't going to happen by field.

[Alan]

Although, you know, if he doesn't get it going.

[Don Hahn]

I know, I just try to think of a young player.

[Alan]

Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. But, but like, that's what I mean. Like, like you've got to look at what you were sending out. An aging asset that was very limited in what he was willing to do. You weren't going to hit a jackpot. What you're doing is you're moving on from some money. You're in the reset mode moment. And the most important thing to do, like, don't, don't look at the prospect you got. As I said, he's an age out junior player. He's doing what he's supposed to do. He's putting up numbers as an older player. But don't look at that. What you have to look at is draft capital as part of what you're going to do going forward. That's what this is about. This is not about rebuilding the team instantly. I've always said this is such the hard part for a front office because you're getting rid of pieces without showing me what I'm getting in return.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

And that's the hardest thing to do when you're trading away known assets and getting back the currency of hope. I don't know yet, but I know I have a roster spot now for someone else who's going to be younger and help us to take the next step. I don't know that guy's going to be yet, but we're working on it.

[Don Hahn]

And it was a bad situation because they've been sitting on this for two weeks fantasizing about getting a huge haul back. You didn't. But hey, it's so much easier to be mad at somebody than just being mad. Right? So you want to face to your anger and right now that's Chris Drury. I get it. I'm not telling you not to be mad. I just think, you know, just be a little bit more logical in your disdain for Chris Drury.

[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Richard]

I don't want to know how the.

[Alan]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good.

[Rosenberg]

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