Don LaGreca (1:54)

And yep, should be a good game tomorrow. But there's just so much, so much to get into from yesterday.

Peter Rosenberg (1:59)

Yeah, so there certainly is. And again, the Giants lose to the Eagles and they lose another player this time. Cam scatter. But we'll get into the Giant conversation, what we saw in that game. But I mean, guys, I think today is for, obviously for us here on this show at this station in this city. Uh, the jets won their first game of the season. And that, of course is part of the story. But they lost something even bigger. And that, of course was the sudden and surprising passing of Nick Mangold, who. Who. It's just incredible to think how he passed at the age of 41. Right? Was it a week even? How, how long was it when it was.

Alan Hahn (2:40)

It was he 14th. The 14th.

Peter Rosenberg (2:43)

He put out the amazing how just in a sudden turnaround. We know he put out that statement about how he needed a kidney. And we all were hoping and we were putting out the word as best we could to help him have that ability to get that transplant. And he did not survive long enough to get there. And it's a tragic loss for his family more than anything else. His wife, his four children. And of course a loss for all of us who have. We have worked with him, we have met him several times. Don, I know you probably have worked with him more than anybody in your years with the jets and also covering him. So, you know, I know in our group chat how stunned we all were when this news came out, but it still is hard to process a day later.

Don LaGreca (3:28)

Yeah, I was getting ready for the game yesterday and I saw it come down on social media and I was just slack jawed. We knew he was sick. He sent out the message about needing a kidney transplant. But we share the same agent, Russ Spielman, and there was a lot of different things that we would cross over. So I got to know him very well over the last, God, almost going on two decades since he was drafted. I was doing the Jets. He was always so emotional, so fun, so full of life, eager to talk, just eager to hang out. I'd see him at Ranger games and he'd always, he just loved the whole vibe of, you know, chugging the beer. And I remember the, the Ranger Penguin series and he was banging on the glass, getting on Sidney Crosby. He just loved everything about the tri state area. You know, he didn't grow up here, you know, had ties to, you know, Ohio and Ohio State, but he totally committed to be here. He lived in Madison, New Jersey. He loved the local teams. He was certainly loved the jets and you know, following along with what was going on with him health wise, you know. And talking to Russ yesterday, he said he had a bit of a setback and was going into the hospital, but the intention was that he was going to go in the hospital for whatever and then come right back out and. And he never did. And the thing that devastates me, you know, just personally is just somebody that I knew and was Friendly with being gone. He left four kids under the age of 15. And we all are parents now, you know, and that's the thing that makes it difficult to know is he. Listen, in 41 years, he lived a hell of a life. And he's going to go to the hall of Fame, I believe, someday. But those kids are going to grow out without a dad, without a great dad because he was such a good person. So that's who I feel like so tremendously bad for, because he was such an important person, I'm sure, to everybody, but no more important than he was to his family. And to lose him at such a young age, it's just. It's so devastating. And we've seen so many athletes pass away guys. But this one hit differently because he was such a part of the station, such a part of our lives. He was at our 20th anniversary Peter, if you remember. Oh, yeah, he came to that. He'd always come out to the tailgates. There were so many different functions I'd see him at. And just to know that you're not going to see him anymore. And when I saw the news about the kidney, you worry, but you're like, no, they'll find a kidney for him and he'll be fine. The one thing about modern medicine is that you always kind of err on the side of. We're living in a time now where people can. Can find ways to get through this and to fight through this. And he was such a fighter. So I was. I was not prepared for this, Peter, yesterday at all.

Alan Hahn (6:11)

Yeah, me. Me neither. At all. I had just gotten to the pumpkin patch out on Long island with my. With my wife and. And Maya and meeting up with friends. And I looked at the. I looked at the group chat and was just like, you know, when you see, like a reaction to something first, but you haven't seen what the information is. I just like, wow. Oh, what? And I was just completely flabbergasted by this. When we saw the thing last week, I had the same thought, Don. I thought, oh, man. Well, I guess he's really in need now. If he's going out personally and saying, hey, if you know anyone, this is obviously getting intense. But I thought the exact same thing. He'll find it. Now that they're widening the search and they're being. He'll find it. I thought maybe he'd even come on the show sometime. We talk about it like, we'll do whatever the things are, because to your point, he's always been such a Fixture at the radio station. I mean, he's in a very small class of people that I'd say since I've gotten here almost 10 years ago, now that I've interviewed like countless times since I got here, I don't remember all the things. The one thing that jumped out to me yesterday when I was like recounting my. All my fond feelings for him was him and I were extras together. Remember when I did the. The ocean scene at the museum and there were all those, like, local. Matt Harvey was there. There was like, there was a whole bunch of like local New York people and Mangold was there. And him and I were just cracking up because I was like, the idea of either of us. It was. The scene was supposed to be the Met Gala, and I was like, the idea that you and I, either of us would be invited to the Met Gala is comedy in and of itself. And, and so we, we hung out. There was like a bar there and we just. And we just hung out.

Peter Rosenberg (7:58)

He was a regular guy for a guy that was, you know, like a seven time Pro Bowler and, you know, had a great career and was a widely respected player who had great success. Anytime he came around, he was a, he was a regular guy. And that's super regular.

Alan Hahn (8:12)

That's what you.

Peter Rosenberg (8:12)

Obviously, again, we saw. All of us had that opportunity. We've. I've had him on several of my shows over the years when he'd come in and be promoting things and also just, just to talk football.

Alan Hahn (8:22)

But he had the barbecue sauce years ago.

Peter Rosenberg (8:25)

Yep. He was big in that.

Alan Hahn (8:26)

Also. Guys, let's also. I mean, we'll have time to get to the less important stuff like the football. But you're also talking about, you know, one of the greatest jets of the modern era. I mean, him and Revis are the two best jets probably of the last 20 years.

Peter Rosenberg (8:38)

Ring of Honor guy, for sure.

Alan Hahn (8:39)

I mean, ring of honor. Probably a Hall of Famer. Just like, I couldn't get that out of my head yesterday as I was driving back from Long island listening to Bob call the game. And I'm just like, it's, it's amazing that they're playing a game. And this is, you know, sports are sports.

Kevin Clark (8:52)

Right.

Alan Hahn (8:52)

With Nick gone, he's. He is such a quintessential jet.

Peter Rosenberg (8:56)

Yeah, like you just, you know, of the modern era.

Alan Hahn (8:58)

Of the modern era. He's a forever guy.

Peter Rosenberg (9:01)

He's one of those guys is recognizable. I felt a tremendous amount of guilt because he was looking for somebody that had O positive blood, which is which is me. But I can't donate a kidney because I was also born with a defect. And so I can't. I couldn't do it. But it was the first thing I thought of when I saw a positive because it's rare. And I just thought, like, I could. I could have helped him.

Alan Hahn (9:27)

Yeah, but you couldn't.

Peter Rosenberg (9:28)

But I. But right away, I just. You can't. But I felt terrible because it's like.

Alan Hahn (9:31)

I, you know, that it's hard to find.

Peter Rosenberg (9:33)

I know. Know him. He knows me. Like, I could have said, oh, let's just do this.

Alan Hahn (9:37)

But, you know, but I couldn't because.

Peter Rosenberg (9:39)

And I read about what, you know, what he had. He had a kidney defect. I was born with a kidney defect as well, so I cannot. I couldn't help him. And that's just a helpless feeling.

Alan Hahn (9:48)

But isn't. Isn't it also.

Peter Rosenberg (9:50)

Here I am right here.

Alan Hahn (9:51)

But isn't what makes this so hard for people in general? I'm sure there are other people who have O positive. It's hard for people to part with the kidney. Just if you have children, if you know that you have other family members or people who could need it. Yes, it is very hard.

Peter Rosenberg (10:04)

I understand.

Alan Hahn (10:05)

That's why that people go, you know, I was kind of hoping, frankly, when they did the public search, you know, Don, you know what jets fans are like. I'm like, there's a world in which is a Jets fan.

Peter Rosenberg (10:13)

Somebody's like, I don't care.

Alan Hahn (10:13)

Like, yeah, I'm that big. He brought me that much joy. I want to do this because it's a major sacrifice. You're. You're at a commission for a couple of weeks. It's a major thing to do. It's a real intense surgery.

Peter Rosenberg (10:23)

It is. But if you're helping to save a life.

Alan Hahn (10:25)

But you're saving a life, right? So it's just so hearing that just.

Peter Rosenberg (10:29)

It just. It's one of those. Feel that in your stomach and you just. I feel awful. There's so many people that were close with him, and I worked a long time apart. Scott Bart loved talking about Nick Mangold. He spent a lot of portion of his show today doing such. And you know, he would. All of his stories are about how much fun they had, just like you were talking about Peter. But also close to him was our good friend Damian Woody. We're trying to get Damon CFD Wood can come on with us today instead of. Usually he's on Thursdays with us, but if he can't, we understand completely. But he was on get up and he talked about his, you know, his memories and his thoughts of Nick Mangle, somebody he shared an offensive line with.

Damian Woody (11:06)

I lost a brother, man. I lost a brother. And everyone knows that, you know, when you're spending as much time as you are with, with one another in that facility, you are family. And so, you know, the offensive line is a team within a team. We have these intimate moments together. And the one thing about Nick, Nick was a guy that always kept things. Things light hearted. He was always a guy that kept things loose, kept things fun. But he was the best lineman that I ever played with. The best lineman that I ever played with. Best center. Listen, I came in the league as a first round pick as a center, and I came in with the jets and I learned so much from Nick Mangold and how he was able to set things up. And we had Mark Sanchez with rookie quarterback. Just how much he took off of his plate. He always made us look great. That was the thing about Nick. He always put us in the best position to win football games. Okay. Like I said, on the football field, he's a Hall of Fame. In my opinion, off the field, he's a Hall of Famer. He's a great husband, very charitable man, great father. There's just not enough words that I can use to describe Nick Mango. And I think I speak on behalf of all the guys that play with Nick Mango. He will be greatly missed.

Peter Rosenberg (12:09)

We asked Willie Cologne to come on with us as well. Another friend that we've known for a long time, Willie very close with Nick as well. And you know, Willie talked about how when he came to the jets, one of the choices was because he wanted to play with Nick Mango, like how much it meant to him that Willie clone came with a Super bowl ring already on his finger. This guy was already a decorated vet in the NFL and how, how close he got with, with Mango. Now I asked Willie to come on, but he's working right now. He's on the, on his show. And so he apologized but said he couldn't join us. But again, just the different players that have talked about him. And one more is his head coach, Rex Ryan, who spent, who's very close to Nick as well. And this was from NFL Countdown. This is when the news really just came out. And so you can understand Rex Ryan being emotional while he is giving his thoughts. That's just, it's brutal.

Damian Woody (13:02)

Such a great young man.

Peter Rosenberg (13:03)

I had the pleasure of coaching him for all six years with the jets. And I remember it was Obvious I.

Damian Woody (13:10)

Was getting fired my last game.

Peter Rosenberg (13:11)

Mangold's injured. Like, injured.

Damian Woody (13:13)

And he comes to me, says, I'm.

Peter Rosenberg (13:15)

Playing this game, and he wanted to play for me.

Damian Woody (13:17)

That's what I remember about this kid. He was awesome and just way too young.

Peter Rosenberg (13:22)

I feel so bad for his wife and family. So, again, a lot of heavy hearts right now around the jets when it.

Alan Hahn (13:29)

Comes to this.41 is just.

Kevin Clark (13:32)

It's just.

Alan Hahn (13:33)

It's just so. Because you hear the four kids thing, which is already tragic in and of itself, but, like, you know, he's a football player. He had a young family. You know what I mean? He's only 41 years old. Like. Like, only in football is. Is it a world where your career would be done by several years. This is a man who, in so many ways, is just starting life.

Peter Rosenberg (13:50)

Think about it. That there's some players in the league who are his. His age or older, still playing. Yeah.

Alan Hahn (13:55)

Yeah, exactly.

Peter Rosenberg (13:56)

So it's. It does show you, and it's. It. I think the other example, guys. And not to sound cliche, but we do this at this time, all the time. It's to just remember just how precious life is. And we get so caught up in all little things and get frustrated with little things in life and mad at things that are just trivial. And sometimes these are those reminders of, you know what? Enjoy. Enjoy everything you can and focus on all the good things rather than getting caught up in all the negative things that distract us.

Don LaGreca (14:30)

I'm just glad he had some time after he retired to be with his family. I remember always trying to get him to come to the softball guys, and he never could because he would always. He just. He just lived to go to Delaware. Down. Down to the. To the beach in Delaware with his family. So he did. Definitely spent a lot of time with them. And those are precious moments now. So just. I just, you know, looking at the pictures when he got drafted, how close he was to his family then because he was home when they made the announcement that the jets had picked him because they went from Y to Mango. That's a pretty nice bridge of what I believe are hall of Fame offensive linemen. My wife's already there, and then I think Mangold eventually will be in Canton. And then to see his kids grow up and to be able to spend some time with them, because that was so important to him, and he was completely committed to staying here in the area around his family. So I know it wasn't a lot of time, and it's certainly not going to Feel like a great amount of time for them as they grow up. But, you know, hopefully since he retired that he was able to focus on spending what little time he had left with his four kids and his wife. Just, you feel so terrible for them.

Peter Rosenberg (15:42)

And it's amazing that The jets played 45 minutes from where he grew up and won their first game of the season. It's the best transition I can make, but it's. It's what I've got. Yeah, but it is really, if you think about it, the connection there, the fact that they were in Cincinnati, that he grew up relatively in the. In outside that area, but close enough that it would feel like your. Your nearest hometown. And the jets to. To get their first win of the season was pretty remarkable. And you know, like, what do we draw from that game? You guys heard me Friday. I am a detached, emotionally, but yet still somewhat frustrated Jet fan. I am somebody that is frustrated at the very top of the organization that I can't even direct any of my frustration towards those beneath it because I just feel like it does start from the top. But I don't want to go there today as much as you just want to look at what they were able to accomplish on this day, which is to have their biggest fourth quarter comeback. I think the second largest fourth quarter comeback that they have ever had in franchise history. And with the trade deadline coming up, they're going into a buy so they won't play again till the trade deadline. Breeze hall might have played his last game as a Jet and if he did, he had a hell of a game and a hell of a performance. And what do we take from this game other than the fact that did Fields respond to the owner and have his like show mental toughness to go through what he went through this week and debris hall put out enough for the league for someone to want to give up something that could be valuable to the jets going forward.

Don LaGreca (17:23)

Yeah, I don't know much value get in a victory other than you just feel good as a Jet fan that they got to win on what was such a terrible right start to the day. And I don't know if any of the players are connected to that. Probably not, but it just tells you that there's got to be something going on. Like you said in the state that he was born in, for the jets to come up with that amazing come from behind victory, the defense making a stand at the end of the game, you just had to feel good for the jets to be able to just get a win on what was such a. An awful and terrible day. But good, good for Justin Fields, sticking it right to Woody Johnson, because that's the guy that I thought of during that game, is that Woody Johnson threw this kid under the bus. And listen, everything that Woody was saying was probably right. Fields has not been good, but he decided in support of Aaron Glenn because Woody just can't function in support of his coach. He had to throw his quarterback under the bus and his quarterback stuck it right to him with his best performance of the year. So that's got to make Jeff Danz feel good, too, that Woody had egg all over his face. Now, what does it mean long term? Nothing. You know, jets aren't going anywhere. Justin Fields is a part of their future. You feel good that Glenn finally got his first victory.

Alan Hahn (18:33)

Well, but is that, Is that the piece, though? That A, that Glenn gets his first victory? Don, and B, that it appeared based on the celebration after the game, that this is a team who wanted to win for Aaron Glenn? Could that be something to glean from this? That there maybe there's some. There's some heart there, there's something to build on?

Don LaGreca (18:50)

Yeah. Well, that's what you hope for, right, is that that at least showed that they still believed in their coach and that they're happy for him. And now we'll see what the deadline brings and there's going to be decisions that are going to have to be made, but I think you got to just separate like it was. It was a. It was an awful day, a nice close to that day. And all we're looking at is analyzing, do they have a coach? And now you look back to the Tampa game and say, boy, if they could have just held on, that would have been an amazing comeback. Right. And so maybe they have it in him a little bit and they are playing for him. So has he had a great season? No. Is he a great coach? We're not going to know until we get more of a sample size. But to your point, Peter, they seem to rally around them and they felt good for him. I think they felt good for their quarterback, too. So maybe that kind of tells you how they feel about their owner more than anything else. But, you know, it's maybe just something to build on. Get the buy, make the moves you got to make, and, and just try to see if there's anything to build off of. But at least the whole Owen 17 is off the table.

Peter Rosenberg (19:51)

What's odd, though, is that Fields gives you probably the best, clearly the, the best performance of his Jet career. And that includes week one where everybody thought that was one of his best performances of his career. But this was, you know, he was accurate, he was on point, he was on time. All the things that are the frustrating parts. He used his legs well. That two point conversion was fantastic. He, he just, he figured out a little early, he had some trouble early on, but the running game certainly unlocked and helped allow him to do some things in the pocket because they were so worried about what Breeze hall was doing, what Isaiah Davis was doing. And so it did give him time. But after a game like that, again, going into a buy, after everything that's been said and the up and down about Fields as the starting quarterback and Aaron Glenn playing games all week, you would think that if you're asked right away about Fields, his future as the starting quarterback of the team, that you might get a little bit more of like from Aaron Glenn of at least support and say, you know what, he's really made a case or whatever it is. But instead, when Glenn was asked if Fields will start in their first game out of the bye, this was his answer.

Damian Woody (20:57)

I think, you know, my answer is going to be on that this is a bye week and we're going to focus on us.

Don LaGreca (21:02)

And listen, I have time to make that decision.

Damian Woody (21:04)

So.

Peter Rosenberg (21:05)

And that's one of the good things.

Don LaGreca (21:06)

Of the bye week. But seriously, seriously, man, this gives us a chance to really just hone in.

Damian Woody (21:12)

On the good, bad and ugly and.

Don LaGreca (21:14)

Try to get those things worked out because we know we have a ways to go.

Peter Rosenberg (21:16)

So he won't say now is this him just kind of playing the game? Because that's what he did last week and I'm not going to give you it like this doesn't. Some people felt like this wasn't a vote of confidence for Fields. I think it's Aaron Glenn just kind of playing the game of. I'm not revealing anything right now, but. I know, but I'm not going to tell you, right.

Don LaGreca (21:36)

Well, I played the game last week and it worked out. Let's play the game again. I don't have to give, I don't have to name anything right now because we're not playing next week and we'll see how, you know, Taylor feels going through his knee situation and then, you know, he'll play the game because it worked out last week. But remember guys, and I was made fun of on the air. I picked the Jets.

Alan Hahn (21:56)

I still. And you still got it wrong.

Don LaGreca (21:57)

And the reason I picked the jets was because this Cincinnati defense stinks. So there's still that. All right, so you'd like to see a little bit more consistency. We thought we had a quarterback in week one and didn't see it again until week seven, week eight. So let's see if how it's going to be coming out of the buy. But I do think Cincinnati plays a role in this and just not being able to stop anybody. But good for him. And I think if he's healthy, which we have no reason to believe he's not right it'd be foolish not to have him continue to start if he's winning. But I get what Glenn's doing right. Playing the game worked last week. Let's see if the if playing the game is going to work going into week nine.

Peter Rosenberg (22:33)

800 now we're 93776. We'll get the calls racked up and ready to go. We'll get the conversation on this and what you just. I'm sure there's going to be fans that want to remember Nick Mangle. We want to give you that opportunity. He was a very popular jet of this generation of course reacting to the win. And I can't help it because this is what I do. Seeing the Saints lose, seeing the Saints make a quarterback change, seeing the Saints now all of a sudden being a team that needs a quarterback and now they're 1 and 7.

Alan Hahn (23:01)

Yep.

Peter Rosenberg (23:01)

And you just can't help now to wonder to yourself, are you playing your way out of getting the better, the best quarterback you can get in this draft? I know it's too early for all that kind of stuff, but you can't help it. Sometimes you can't even enjoy a win because you have to think about those things because there's always another team that needs a quarterback too. Again, we'll get to the calls at 800. Now we're 93776 with your thoughts. We will get into the Giants and what we saw from them, especially with, I mean who's left healthy on this roster as they continue now throughout the season. I figured the Eagles were going to have this kind of a bounce back game against the Giants two weeks later. But what did we see in that game? Is there still hope with Jackson Dart at least but is there concern for the rest of the season? And by the way Don, you had to have taken the lead after this week because I had a horrific week.

Don LaGreca (23:55)

Of again I blew my three point play but I was two and one. Oh and I, I still think I.

Alan Hahn (24:00)

Should get the Cincinnati points and Don should get it wrong. I Still, I firmly believe that. 14 point lead, fourth quarter. It's unreal. It doesn't. No, let's just. 15, let's hit, let's hit multiple two point conversions. If you're the jets, which they never do. And then, and then perfectly in line with that. Then of course, all of a sudden now Cincinnati gets the ball back. Now they can't move the ball now it's over.

Peter Rosenberg (24:21)

Jamar Chase after the game, livid. I mean, game should have been over when they were up by 15. Should have been over.

Alan Hahn (24:26)

I felt good about my week at that point. Although here's the thing, and we'll get time to this later. We got with the blitz. The NFL is insane.

Peter Rosenberg (24:33)

Insane.

Alan Hahn (24:35)

The Atlanta Miami game that Alan and I both loved.

Peter Rosenberg (24:37)

Oh my.

Alan Hahn (24:38)

How on earth.

Peter Rosenberg (24:39)

Nothing did.

Alan Hahn (24:40)

Miami blew them out of the building, smoked them. How someone make that make sense?

Peter Rosenberg (24:46)

It doesn't make sense. A lot of it doesn't make sense.

Alan Hahn (24:50)

I loved you getting the Sunday nighter wrong. I told you that old man Roger.

Don LaGreca (24:53)

He had it right for three quarters.

Alan Hahn (24:55)

Not I, I. It never felt great to me.

Peter Rosenberg (24:58)

I was hoping, but I, I didn't like it either.

Alan Hahn (25:01)

Yeah, you didn't feel great.

Peter Rosenberg (25:02)

No, no, I, that, that there's just like all three of my picks had me throwing up my mouth like, are you kid. Are you kidding me? Just.

Alan Hahn (25:09)

But the Miami Atlanta one was. From the second I looked up, they were just getting housed. Craziness.

Peter Rosenberg (25:16)

Yeah.

Alan Hahn (25:18)

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Peter Rosenberg (28:31)

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

Alan Hahn (28:35)

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Caller (Danny or Mo or Dove) (30:35)

Hey, guys, how are you? Appreciate you getting me on before I get to my jetpoint, man. I mean, I told Anthony you guys gave me that information. I just want to let you know I took the steps and like you, Allen, I felt very guilty because I'm all positive and I took the first Preliminary steps. And unfortunately, with my own little bit of history, which is very minor, was. Was not able to do it because of my own, you know, medical issues, which I, like I said, are very, very minor. But I felt extremely guilty. And I was really sad yesterday when I heard that I, you know, for whatever little bit I tried, I certainly did. My wife thought I was crazy. And I understand that the replacement, you know, believe it or not, they say it's harder on the guy, the person giving the transplant, than the actual recipient.

Peter Rosenberg (31:21)

That's true.

Caller (Danny or Mo or Dove) (31:22)

You know, God bless him and his family, and he was a great guy. Told you guys, last time I actually hit golf balls with him, he. Golf balls with no golf shoes. And I saw him at that page and we bonded, and it was great. But, you know, whatever, man. I mean, God bless him and his family. So the Jet point man, I mean, it feels silly talking about it, but, you know, Don, you hit it perfect, man. You said everything about Glenn and the team, and, you know, I was just happy to have a win, if I'm being totally honest with you guys. I mean, I'm a, you know, fan, and I maybe grunted at the TV about four or five times in three hours. There wasn't one bit of excitement. And I clapped once for the final play when I said, wow, this defense actually, you know, made a stand. And it was the only, like, enjoyment I had. The one clap I had of the day. And it was cool, man. I mean, listen, you said it perfect, Don. You know, I know to quote the great Don Lagreca, right? If Ibsen woods were. If somebody candy and nuts, Christmas would be great, right? Like, you know, they. They for winning Pittsburgh and maybe they pull something out Tampa, you know, this could be a little bit different. It does show that they're playing for the man and they're not giving up. So I was happy, and I really am.

Don LaGreca (32:36)

And also, we get so caught up in. Because Alan brought it up before we went to break, what's it going to do for draft position? You know, what does it matter in the grand scheme of things? Only one win. So what? You can't tell me if you're a Jet fan, that in that moment you weren't excited. You were entertained by the fact that they were able to come back and win that game.

Peter Rosenberg (32:59)

Is this crazy for me to say? I laughed wickedly. Like my son and I were. I was up visiting Zach this weekend. We were watching his. His girlfriend's. They. They. She had her soccer game. So I was. We watch on the phone and we Were like. He was like, are they gonna pull it off? And we were laughing just because they made that last stop, because how many times did we see. Which was very close. How close were they to the line? How many times have we seen this season already? The team just comes right down the field, kicks the field goal, walks off and then it's over. And so you just were like, is this gonna happen again? So when they get the stop there and the game, you know, is over, it's that moment where you just kind of laugh. Like, it's almost like a psychotic laugh that you. It finally happened. They finally won a game. And that's really. I don't know if that's joy or if it's just. I'm. It's madness.

Don LaGreca (33:50)

But can't there just be a moment where you forget the record or what it means for draft position or what it means for the coach's future and just enjoy a really cool moment, you know, a come from behind victory? Now Cincinnati's not any good and their defense stinks. And you're right. In the grand scheme of things, what's the difference between what's going to be maybe a three win season or a four win season or whatever? Well, it's a big game in that moment. You. You weren't entertained, of course.

Peter Rosenberg (34:18)

Yes. Yes. A 15 point fourth quarter comeback. Yeah. Yeah. That was Monday night Miracle vibes. Yeah, it was that. That's the part you like. And then you look at fields and go, where the hell has this been? And maybe that's the problem is his ceiling and his floor are such. There's such a huge gap between them. And the problem is he never plays in the middle.

Don LaGreca (34:39)

Well, part of being a great player is being great consistently. You know, a lot of these players can come up with great performances now and then, but are you able to do it all the time? And you can't have one every six, seven weeks in the NFL and expect to be a starting quarterback in this league. So we'll see if this is the beginning of something or are we going to look back in week 15 and go, well, whatever happened to that quarterback that lit Cincinnati up, lit Pittsburgh up?

Peter Rosenberg (35:03)

Right.

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Right.

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Peter Rosenberg (35:55)

So what is the number?

Alan Hahn (35:56)

Last I saw 11 and a half. In fact I love them as an outright dog. I there's something how did you feel Sexy.

Peter Rosenberg (36:03)

The Cowboys just getting absolutely boat raced.

Alan Hahn (36:06)

It's again it's back to my what.

Peter Rosenberg (36:07)

Is this ten and a half on espn.

Don LaGreca (36:10)

That was my three point play because Denver never beats anybody up. They always win by field goals. Dallas has got a great offense and.

Alan Hahn (36:17)

Now Dax throwing it to the other team. They they can't it's it makes no.

Peter Rosenberg (36:21)

Nick's looking like you know Joe Montana.

Alan Hahn (36:23)

Oh yeah, can't do anything wrong.

Don LaGreca (36:25)

Kind of a surreal moment. It was in distance but as we were getting on our plane to fly to get off our plane in Denver the Cowboys were just about 50 yards away getting on their plane sulking. I got to tell you as much as I hated losing the three point play, I've always liked Dallas in misery.

Alan Hahn (36:44)

Right there's I you know and I was feeling the same way last night with the Pittsburgh Green Bay game. Now I wanted to get my Green Bay pick right and see Allen be wrong but at the same time I just want NFC teams to lose. So like it obviously behooves me to root for someone's gonna have to lose.

Peter Rosenberg (37:01)

The NFC North Jordan love playing the way he played. That was with Rogers on the other side like that like that's that's a.

Alan Hahn (37:09)

Big boy moment for them.

Don LaGreca (37:10)

20 straight completions. I mean that hadn't been done since 07. Maybe it's interesting like every the cream's flowing to the top here. I like Kansas City's getting right. You know Green Bay looks like they're getting right. You know we'll see what happens with Buffalo because they did suffer an injury to the defensive line but boy did they wipe the Floor with Carolina yesterday.

Peter Rosenberg (37:30)

Cook was unreal.

Don LaGreca (37:31)

So is it what's up with football? Or is it, you know, we're still in the infancy stages where there's a lot of teams that are still playing with their food. There's still a lot of teams that don't realize how bad they are yet or how good they are yet, but something to keep an eye on guys, this Indianapolis team, oh, my goodness.

Alan Hahn (37:50)

And they're still doing what they're doing. And Daniel Jones still doing another three touchdowns and no picks for him.

Peter Rosenberg (37:56)

And he wasn't great.

Alan Hahn (37:57)

No, he's.

Peter Rosenberg (37:58)

But he doesn't turn the ball. He hasn't been. Giants fan.

Alan Hahn (38:00)

Really good.

Peter Rosenberg (38:01)

We'll get to the Giants. But it's like, if you're a Giants fan, you're like, wait a minute. Daniel Jones not turning the football over. Nope. That's all they asked him to do. I want to go to this call next, though, because it is a very interesting take from our good friend Muhammad on Long Island. What's up, Mo?

Caller (Danny or Mo or Dove) (38:15)

What's going on, man? Thanks for taking my call, guys. Yeah. So I didn't want to, you know, sound too crazy, but could we dare say this is some genius by. By Woody here? Because I could imagine that Woody and Aaron Glenn have conversations about Justin Fields all the time, and Woody couldn't come out. And, I mean, Glenn can't come out and rip his quarterback. Right. But I'm sure Woody's like, I can. And maybe this was just the kick Justin Fields needed to get the best out of him. So maybe this is the genius of Woody. And I wanted to make more point, though. Just Ty Simpson, please. Like, let's just go watch the games or watch the highlights. I like this guy, man. I like Ty Simpson for. For. For our quarterback next year.

Peter Rosenberg (38:55)

But, yeah, the.

Caller (Danny or Mo or Dove) (38:56)

The genius of Woody. I want to hear you guys.

Peter Rosenberg (38:58)

Genius of Woody. And you're not talking about Damian Woody maybe started.

Don LaGreca (39:03)

Maybe if you got, you know, at the genius bar over at the Apple store, maybe he'd get something. No. And he's. No. There's no genius there.

Peter Rosenberg (39:10)

Did you see the.

Don LaGreca (39:11)

Stepped in it.

Peter Rosenberg (39:11)

You see Diana Rossini's story?

Don LaGreca (39:14)

I did not.

Peter Rosenberg (39:16)

So he. So she got Woody Johnson to admit, like, when she said, do you think you're a. You're a good owner? Oh, that. Yeah, I did see that. He said, obviously not a good owner. In terms of winning.

Alan Hahn (39:26)

In terms of winning.

Peter Rosenberg (39:27)

Winning, sure. So.

Alan Hahn (39:28)

So, like, people like winning.

Peter Rosenberg (39:29)

When asked what he thinks makes him good for his, you know, good at being an owner. He said this. This is amazing. I think the players can relate to me in some ways. He said, even though I don't have their background, I have a certain amount of empathy. I think that they can feel I can't be them. I don't have their background. I didn't grow up in their neighborhood. There's no way I can completely understand what they went through in their life. But I think they know that I'm an understanding person. I'm willing to listen to anybody tell me anything they want to tell me. I'm willing to listen to their ideas, too. Is there anything more out of touch than that?

Alan Hahn (40:10)

No, that's my owner right there. That guy sounds like a guy who gets it. I mean, that's just a guy who totally understands what his perception.

Peter Rosenberg (40:16)

I can relate to him. They can relate to me. You're a billionaire.

Don LaGreca (40:20)

He gives good hugs.

Peter Rosenberg (40:21)

Yeah, you know what?

Alan Hahn (40:22)

He's hugging his coach.

Peter Rosenberg (40:23)

And I'm willing to listen to anything. The problem is you don't take any advice. You're not willing to listen to anybody else. I don't.

Don LaGreca (40:31)

You listen. But are you hearing right?

Peter Rosenberg (40:34)

Exactly.

Don LaGreca (40:35)

You can listen to Jimmy, but do you hear Jimmy? He's not hearing Jimmy.

Peter Rosenberg (40:40)

Look at me. Start on this topic.

Don LaGreca (40:42)

It's just Mad or Justin or Breeze or anybody else on the team or.

Peter Rosenberg (40:47)

Just put somebody in charge and listen to them. That'd be great. More you calls coming up. 800-919-3776 Again, we got a binge coming up in the 4 o' clock hour. We'll get into the giants in the 4 o' clock hour certainly as well. We want to hear from you. And we'll get to you coming up next. Hey, YouTube TV customers, you could lose ESPN and the sports you love, including college football, college game day, Monday Night Football, by the way, tonight, NBA, which is underway. College basketball, which is coming. And more. You got to take action. Go to keep my networks.com so you can keep ESPN. Come to DSW for the shoes, stay for the fun. Because let's be honest, if shoe shopping.

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Peter Rosenberg (43:43)

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I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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Don LaGreca (44:19)

There you go.

Peter Rosenberg (44:19)

That's right. Baseball's still going on. And that series is right now tied at one. And that follows us right here on 880 at 7pm we'll take you all the way up to seven by the way full frontal today. We have some NBA for you two in town. The Nets, they're in. They're at the Rockets in, in Houston. And that's at 8pm Tip off for those who are interested. And Peter, you, you watching some foosball tonight, aren't you? Are you?

Alan Hahn (44:45)

I will be. I will be fairly locked in to the football tonight. This is my last. I'm not my last.

Peter Rosenberg (44:53)

Hold on.

Alan Hahn (44:53)

It's a long season.

Peter Rosenberg (44:54)

What do you say?

Alan Hahn (44:55)

It's not my last hope but it's, it's. I have this little thing in the back of my mind that's, that's going to. People are kind of saying it's over. If you were to somehow beat Kansas City with a backup quarterback then people go hey wait a minute. There may still be life in this commander's team.

Peter Rosenberg (45:12)

Have you followed week eight so far?

Alan Hahn (45:15)

Exactly.

Peter Rosenberg (45:16)

The madness of that's my point.

Alan Hahn (45:18)

And that's my point.

Peter Rosenberg (45:18)

You're telling me down exactly is right Don.

Alan Hahn (45:22)

Keep going. Cats and dogs living together.

Peter Rosenberg (45:25)

You get mass hysteric.

Alan Hahn (45:27)

Now you look around. I'm sure everyone on TV tonight is going to be go at the Chiefs and I understand why but in this season that we've watched would I be like completely floored? If you look up and the commanders are playing an interesting game even with a backup quarterback I could see it.

Don LaGreca (45:44)

Shocked that they'd win the game. That would shock that they cover fair.

Alan Hahn (45:49)

Oh for sure. I mean I, I, I have a, I have a good feeling but who knows? I mean I've had many good feelings.

Peter Rosenberg (45:56)

Before and he's got a feeling tonight's gonna be a good night.

Alan Hahn (45:58)

That's, that's exactly what I'm feeling.

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Peter Rosenberg (46:43)

So you saw the, the crazy Texas comeback Mississippi State Saturday. That was a wild game. Absolutely wild game went to overtime. Crazy. Ending a punt return for a touchdown that turned the whole Tide. Arch Manning in concussion protocol.

Alan Hahn (46:58)

Not what you want.

Peter Rosenberg (46:59)

You know, it's always like when you're just waiting for the kid to just jump off the screen. Kind of live up to a little bit of that preseason Heisman favorite stuff. He was phenomenal. Later in that game, they had a bad start. But now he's in concussion protocols. We probably should keep an eye on that story. And yes, that's what I'm doing right now is I'm watching college quarterbacks because that's where I am as a Jets fan.

Alan Hahn (47:21)

It's the place to be.

Don LaGreca (47:22)

It's been there.

Alan Hahn (47:24)

It's not where you want.

Peter Rosenberg (47:24)

I've been there before. That's.

Don LaGreca (47:26)

That's certainly you've watched an inordinate amount of USC back in the day.

Alan Hahn (47:29)

Oh sure you have.

Peter Rosenberg (47:30)

Lots of USC got geared up for March and I'm watching Indiana. Is it. Am I, am I wrong? Almost feel like if there was ever a college coach to poach out of college football, wouldn't it be that dude?

Alan Hahn (47:43)

It's pretty impressive stuff.

Peter Rosenberg (47:44)

He, he walks with it. He swings it, talks it and he blows people out.

Alan Hahn (47:49)

He walks.

Don LaGreca (47:50)

Yeah. And it seems to be a guy that walked and talked and swung it in LSU and he's not doing that anymore.

Peter Rosenberg (47:56)

Oh, we got a. Is that going to be in the part of enn.

Don LaGreca (47:59)

Oh, that's going to be that much.

Peter Rosenberg (48:00)

I didn't already said Brian Kelly.

Alan Hahn (48:03)

Oh, oh yeah, of course I'm here.

Peter Rosenberg (48:07)

No longer here with my family.

Don LaGreca (48:10)

No more.

Peter Rosenberg (48:10)

That accent is gone.

Alan Hahn (48:11)

With my family.

Peter Rosenberg (48:12)

It is gone. Back to calls we go 800 now. 193776. Dove is in Boston. Hey Dove.

I (48:20)

Hey guys. Happy Monday. Monday, fun day. Just going to kind of get my thoughts on Nick Mangle. This one, this one hit pretty hard just for me personally. He's from the era of football that, that got me in to football, into the sport and into the Jets. So you know he was kind of one of those original guys for me and it's. I got into football later, I was like 17 and it's just so crazy because he always seemed like such a titan, you know, like such like such an adult or like a grown up, this big guy. And time goes by and all of a sudden I'm realizing he was five years older than me?

Don LaGreca (48:57)

Yeah.

I (48:58)

You know, like, I'm 37 and a lot of my friends have kids. A lot of my friends, you know, I don't have kids, my sister has kids. And like, the idea of leaving them behind, it's just. It's just such a terrible tragedy. But I think it does speak to how there was a fan base that could be passionate again. And there was a fan base that really cared, you know, and I haven't cared for a long time, but I put my jets hat on when I heard the news yesterday and like, my wife looked at me, she said, you're wearing your jets hat. And she said, are you wearing that for Nick Mangold? And I said, yeah, I'm wearing it for Nick Mangold, you know, and I'm here in Boston where you hear it, but it's like, anyway, rest in peace. And, you know, I hope his family really find a way to get through this.

Alan Hahn (49:37)

It's a great call, man.

Peter Rosenberg (49:38)

Thank you for sharing that.

Alan Hahn (49:40)

That's. That's exactly right. And he, he. There has not been a lot to be proud of as a Jets fan over the last couple of decades. And he was one player, you could actually say, oh, yeah, that's our guy.

Peter Rosenberg (49:50)

Yeah.

Don LaGreca (49:51)

And literally there's has been a lot of winning with the Jets. So usually when a team wins a championship, that team lives forever. But when you've gone so long without a championship, you start reminiscing about the teams that got close. So that 09 and 2010 teams really resonate with Jet fans. And unfortunately, we've been talking about missing the playoffs for 15 straight years. That's a decade and a half of nothing else really to get excited about since 09 in 2010. And he was a part of that. You know, Mark Sanchez has had a rough few weeks, but he's a part of it. Rex is a part of that. Those guys are going to resonate for a long, long time. Because you know, back to back championship games for this franchise is not nothing. And I'm telling you, one day it's really unfortunate that he won't be here to see it, that he's going to go to the hall of Fame. I know it's difficult to rate lineman because there isn't those stats I can throw out at you. But I covered his entire career and I don't think that there were too many centers that were as good as he was during the years that he played. That's what makes you a Hall of Famer.

Alan Hahn (50:57)

Right?

Don LaGreca (50:57)

In your generation, did you have a peer and he had very few, if.

Peter Rosenberg (51:01)

Any, the high IQ ability for him, the athletic ability to pull at the center position, the way he was able to do it, you know, like there was just something, the toughness about him as well. Him and Brick, right? Same draft class, and they were just. There was something about the two of them that were just mainstays on that line. Like that's what you appreciate as a fan. The guys that just night in and night out, game in and game out, week in, week out, like they were reliable. And there was a time where the jets had a hell of an offensive line and it was all the reason why that Ground the Pound works so well for the early part of Rex Ryan's career. And Nick Mangold was literally in the center of all of it. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

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I don't want to know how the.

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Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8, 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers before you go.

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