Hour 1: Stoppage Time

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

Episode: Hour 1: Stoppage Time
Date: June 30, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Network: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

This lively episode dives headfirst into one of the perennial debates that flare up every four years in America: should soccer’s timing rules—especially the concept of stoppage/extra time—be more precise, like in American sports? Through playful banter, historical references, and some thought-provoking calls, Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg dissect the cultural clash between American and global attitudes toward sports, timekeeping, and tradition. Later, they touch on NBA free agency, tangential musical debates, and the ever-present American impulse to demand change.

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Key Discussion Points

1. The Great Soccer Extra Time Debate

• Kickoff Moment ([01:33]): Building off a World Cup match that just ended (Norway vs. Ivory Coast), Don launches the main topic: the inconsistency between soccer’s vaguely defined stoppage time and its ultra-precise offside reviews.
• Core Argument:
  • Don: Questions why soccer can justify “arbitrary” extra time based on the referee’s discretion while at the same time using centimeter-level technology for offside decisions. (“The mistake they have made is now having centimeter by centimeter replay on offsides. That’s the inconsistency.” [02:30])
  • Rosenberg: Agrees—if we can have tech for one, why not for both? “If you’re bringing in technology to decide an offside ... then how the hell can we just put a digital clock on the board…?” ([03:00])
• American vs. Global Approach:
  • Hahn: American sports prioritize definitive endings, announcing and enforcing clock management for fans and players. “We are adhered to the clock so much that we warn you there’s only two minutes left.” ([12:14])
  • Don and Rosenberg: Point out how the fluid, open-ended philosophy of soccer’s timing feels deeply foreign—and even exasperating—to Americans. “We are a wham, bam, thank you, ma’am country.” ([47:19])

2. Historical Attitudes and Evolving Technology ([03:17] – [04:14])

• The hosts joke about old-time baseball and the evolution of precision in sports. Back in the day, scorekeeping and fact-checking were more myth than reality. “Half the stuff they said happened 100 years ago…who’s going to question it? There’s 15 people in the stands, I’m smoking a cigar and half in the bag…” (Hahn, [04:00])
• They compare this “pretend land” of baseball’s past with soccer, arguing that technological limitations shaped traditions.

3. The Charm vs. Frustration of Soccer’s Timekeeping ([06:43] onwards)

• Charming to Some, Maddening to Others: Old-school American commentators romanticize the “feel” of extra time as charming, while the hosts say it’s unfair for competitive fans.
• Rosenberg: “You can see that … the clock is telling you this is all the time you have. You better scramble.” ([18:09])
• Don: Admits that while he parachutes into soccer every four years, the extra time is part of the sport’s unique appeal: “I look forward to seeing how much extra time there is … I think it’s part of the charm.” ([19:10])

4. Calls and Listener Views ([16:36], [22:28], [29:36], [46:02])

• Listener Greg (Hoboken): Loves the unpredictable nature of stoppage time and doesn’t mind the “feel” of officiating. Warns that more tech doesn’t guarantee accuracy (comparing to American football).
• Listener Richie (Queens): Defends the rolling clock, as it keeps the pace and feel of the game intact.
• Listener Cody (San Diego): Points out that refs are now graded on stoppage time decisions and brings up the oddity of the “drop third strike” in baseball.
• Listener Fred (Fresh Meadow): Offers a solution: in college soccer, they used a scoreboard clock that paused for injuries or major infractions, providing both clarity and the game’s natural flow.

5. “If Soccer Were Americanized...” ([10:08] – [12:32])

• Hahn: “If soccer was invented here, you know what they would do? 0:00, game’s over. Because we as fans would demand it. … We demand change and change happens.” ([10:25])
• They imagine soccer under an American system—ending promptly at 0:00—and muse that the reluctance to change is a “European” attitude: “We don’t have air conditioning in Paris because this is how it’s always been.” ([10:54])

6. Hypothetical: The US in a World Cup Final ([35:10] – [36:53])

• They speculate how Americans would react if the US lost a World Cup Final due to extended stoppage time.
  • Hahn: “From the greatest moment … to a lot of people saying ‘I’m out,’ because they just wouldn’t get it.” ([37:37])
  • Don: Pushes back—that’s no reason for the world to change soccer to suit casual fans: “You cannot tell me in good conscience the sport should govern themselves based on these people who do not watch the sport.” ([37:19])

7. Broader Cultural Reflections ([47:19] – [49:29])

• Hahn: America’s sports obsessions reflect a broader cultural desire for order and closure (“We want a clock. We want it done. We want to move on to the next.” [48:34])
• Don & Rosenberg: Compare American “live to work” mentality with the rest-of-world “work to live”—the soccer time debate symbolizing deeper cultural divides.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the inconsistencies of technology in soccer:
  Don: “The mistake they have made is now having centimeter by centimeter replay on offsides...keep the offsides, it’s just kind of the left side, and everything’s kind of just the ref’s eye. But they decided with the goals, we cannot risk someone getting a free shot at a goalie...” ([02:30])

• On U.S. sports culture:
  Hahn: “We are adhered to the clock so much that we warn you there’s only two minutes left.” ([12:14])

• On Europe's resistance to change:
  Rosenberg: “We don’t have air conditioning in Paris because this is how it’s always.” ([10:54])

• On American impatience:
  Don: “We are a wham, bam, thank you, ma’am country...” ([47:19])

• On soccer’s cultural charm:
  Don: “I look forward to seeing how much extra time there is at the end of the time. I think it's fun. I think it's part of the charm of the sport.” ([19:10])

• On how Americans would react to a World Cup Final heartbreak:
  Hahn: “...All those people that weren’t soccer fans that were all in, they would go, you know what? I’m done with this sport. I’m out.” ([36:40])

• On American and European life philosophy:
  Don/Rosenberg: “It’s the contrast of live to work versus work to live.” ([49:02])

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Other Segments and Topics

NBA Free Agency & Tampering ([15:05] – [16:24])

• Brief detour into the semantics of “illegal tampering” in NBA and NFL free agency.
  • Hahn: Wishes sports would call the “contact period” something else, as handshake agreements and unofficial deals abound.
  • Rosenberg: Notes that teams have unofficially recruited long before the formal window opens.

Brief Musical Interlude ([41:26] – [46:02])

• Side discussion about classic American songs (“American Pie”, “Paradise by the Dashboard Light”) and musical preferences, with plenty of teasing and opinions about generational cheesiness.

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Segment Timestamps

• [01:33] – Introduction of the soccer timing debate after watching World Cup extra time.
• [02:30] – Don’s critique of technological inconsistencies in soccer officiating.
• [10:25] – Hahn: How American culture would change soccer if invented here.
• [12:14] – U.S. sports strictness with the clock and time warnings.
• [18:09] – Rosenberg likens sports clocks to the excitement of counting down plays in American sports.
• [19:10] – Don calls stoppage time fun and charming, not a bug but a feature.
• [29:36] – Caller Cody on refs’ accountability for stoppage time.
• [35:10] – Hypothetical U.S. vs. England World Cup Final: What if the U.S. lost in added stoppage?
• [46:02] – Caller Fred offers a simple solution based on college soccer experience.
• [47:19] – Don and Hahn on cultural differences: work to live vs. live to work.

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Tone, Flow, and Style

• Tone: Playful, witty, passionate, and self-deprecating.
• Flow: Rapid banter, layered with humor and nostalgia, occasionally interrupted by calls and cultural asides; seamlessly blends sports analysis with comedic riffing.
• Attitude: Deeply New York-centric, with a recognition that sports debates are often more about identity and culture than logic alone.

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Key Takeaways

• The seemingly trivial issue of soccer’s stoppage time is a window into deeper differences between American and global mindsets—not just in sports, but in how we approach life, change, and tradition.
• Most American fans find the arbitrariness of soccer’s ending frustrating, while Europeans (and the rest of the soccer-loving world) see it as authentic and intrinsic.
• No easy solution is presented—just an animated, entertaining tour of why we feel so differently about something as simple as the ticking of a sports clock.

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For fans of sports culture, lively debate, and the quirks that make international competitions so fascinating, this episode is essential listening—both for its humor and its insight into the sports psyche on both sides of the Atlantic.

Transcript

[Don]

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[Hahn]

sees Pulisic, looks right, sees Jimenez, gives a nod to Ronaldinho in the corner

[Don]

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[Rosenberg]

Ronaldinho sees son in the booth.

[Don]

Son finds Beckham going for extra Big Mac sauce. He's got Davies at the table just behind him. Davies going for his collectible cup. A steal by Henry, who pulls his own collectible cup. Collect, one of nine legendary cups with

[Hahn]

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[Don]

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[Hahn]

There's no touch port. You're not pushing the tush, Han.

[Rosenberg]

I want you protecting my blind side. And Rosenberg.

[Don]

When I was seven, I was riding shotgun and smoking cigarettes.

[Hahn]

This isn't North Dakota. This is New York.

[Rosenberg]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Hahn]

The best threesome I've ever heard on

[Rosenberg]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Hahn]

3 o' clock at the big city. Don Hahn and Rosenberg with you until 6:30. At that time, it's the Mets and the Blue Jays. What's going on, guys? Hot, but it looks like a storm's coming. Cool us off just to create more humidity and more heat.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know if we're getting. Yeah, we might just get a sprinkle later. But this. This heat's getting. It's intensifying by the day. What did you just put on there?

[Don]

Serena flipped on the. Serena. All right, I'm waiting. We just saw Norway get past Ivory Coast. Two, one, Another.

[Rosenberg]

Another. Sorry, I didn't realize you did another arbitrary ending. Just let them get a chance. So let's shut it down.

[Don]

I teased you guys in the meeting with. With the. If you want to have the annoying, tired old American argument of what's up with the clock? I realize the argument you really have, in my opinion. You want. Do you want my just opinion on this? You might take for you.

[Hahn]

You have an opinion. We all have opinions. That's what sports radio is. Go for it.

[Don]

So here's where I think soccer is kind of playing themselves. Now, if you're going to have the arbitrary ish clock like they have and it's done sort of under the guise as. As. As John Winthrop just said, sort of annoying and sort of charming at the same time, right?

[Rosenberg]

It was compelling. I will give you that.

[Don]

It's compelling. Oh, is it quite over?

[Hahn]

It is over.

[Don]

If you want to do that and you want to say, hey, it's kind of just the feel of the referee and it's the vibe. That's the vibe of soccer.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don]

The mistake they have made is now having centimeter by centimeter replay on offsides. That's the inconsistency.

[Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Don]

Keep the offsides. It's just kind of the left side, and everything's kind of just the ref's eye.

[Hahn]

Cool.

[Don]

But they decided with the goals. We want to make sure we cannot risk someone getting a free shot at a goalie because they stepped off sides. So we're implementing replay, but we cannot figure out what to do with.

[Rosenberg]

And that's all I was saying. If you're bringing in technology to decide an offside that can show us using graphics and everything, then how the hell can we just put a digital clock on the board and when somebody gets pregnant, stop dying?

[Hahn]

It's the drop the mic moment for it.

[Rosenberg]

Okay?

[Hahn]

Just think about it. There used to be the neighborhood playing baseball. Double play.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hahn]

Shortstop kind of swipes at second base. Did he touch it? Did he not touch it? Hey, he's in the neighborhood. Why? Because we didn't have the technology to really be able to tell if he touched it. And if we get him to plant his foot on second base to prove that he touched it, he could possibly get injured because now the baserunner can run him over, break his leg. So we created the neighborhood play because it's pre technology. It's people at war. It's the 20s and 30s.

[Don]

We're at war.

[Hahn]

You know, they barely even kept the score.

[Rosenberg]

The clocks have hands.

[Hahn]

Clocks have hands. People have. People have jobs. There's no light games.

[Rosenberg]

There's no tv. We don't have lights.

[Hahn]

I mean, half the stuff they said happened 100 years ago. It was just, let's dress up this game and say somebody did something that did they didn't do. Who's going to question it? There's 15 people in the stands. I'm smoking a cigar and half in the bag. Right in this article.

[Caller]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, legrock, did you see Babe Ruth? He just pointed. He pointed to left field.

[Don]

Did he? Are you sure? I'm not sure.

[Rosenberg]

I'm writing it.

[Hahn]

Mandel just hit it 500ft. Yeah, but we'll sell more papers if we said 600. Who's going to bring a paper?

[Don]

How do you know which one it was? I don't know. It could have been.

[Rosenberg]

Seven is for one guy to say, I'm writing it. Because then your editor calls you next day going, did you see it?

[Don]

Yeah. Why didn't you write.

[Rosenberg]

Why didn't you write sure.

[Hahn]

Why didn't you make it 700? What's the matter?

[Rosenberg]

Papers. Our papers.

[Hahn]

Still sell those papers. Now I got to sell the papers. I know where it was. But we got a sports section. I got sell. Let's get out there. What do you mean there's no game today? Create a game. We need an article. I need a Tuesday edition. What do you mean? The Yankees all playing on Monday. Go say they played. Make up. Make something happen. Make it spectacular. Yankees win 60 to 4. Babe Ruth hit 17 home runs, run with it.

[Rosenberg]

They won 16 to 4. And he hit 17. 4.

[Hahn]

Oh, 6, 6, 0.

[Rosenberg]

My thought is that's an amazing feat. They took one away. He hit it, but they wouldn't let him have it.

[Don]

These are. But these articles earn us two pennies per pitch.

[Hahn]

Right now they had to take away the neighborhood play because now if you watch a baseball game, they spend 20 minutes to see did the hair on his big toe come off a second base for a split second and now he's out. So goodbye.

[Rosenberg]

The ball hit his jersey. They see the little flap of the jersey and hit the.

[Hahn]

We lived in pretend land back when soccer started. We couldn't really do the time. Let's tack on some extra time. We'll just have fun with it.

[Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Hahn]

I remember before he became a yo, yo, he was a very good color commentator. Was Jon Gruden. Then kind of went off the rails with a couple emails. But before then, after he first coached and won a Super bowl, he was doing Monday Night Football. And you would watch and it was like, it was adorable. He would. Somebody would make a diving catch, but then replay would show that the ball kind of touched the ground. And he would be like, oh, man, I wish they would just give him the catch. What a great effort.

[Don]

We'll be wrong.

[Hahn]

Just give him the cat. That's the world you live in. It's like, listen, nobody wants to see the game end, so let's let him take the corner kick and take, you know, a minute to decide whether he's going to kick it or not. We'll just keep playing.

[Rosenberg]

And the minute out of the. Like, away from the box, further away from the box. Then it's like, all right, that's it. We're going to call it.

[Hahn]

But this is. This is the fake.

[Rosenberg]

They give you a chance to tie.

[Hahn]

This is what happens now. So I watching the Ivory coast going up against Norway.

[Rosenberg]

Norway.

[Hahn]

Forget Norway, right? So now he's taken the corner kick, and I'm like, I ask a very legitimate question. Because now we're like, we're almost a minute beyond the seven minutes that they tacked on.

[Caller]

Oh, yeah.

[Hahn]

So I thought it was an intelligent question. So if this corner kick is unsuccessful.

[Don]

Right. Meaning no one immediately taps it in.

[Hahn]

Right. So the soon as, like, all right, there's a header. It gets deflected away, over. Oh, but no, it's in the box.

[Rosenberg]

Right?

[Hahn]

And Ivory coast gets the rebound. No, no, you got to see what happens here.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Hahn]

So let's say for the next five minutes, they're passing it around the box. I can't stop the clock. Somebody might kick it in the goal.

[Don]

Well, but. But to your point, though, to the opposite.

[Rosenberg]

And they got a corner. He's like, you got a second corner and say, how many corners are going

[Don]

to give them now? But. But to respond to your point and say that, you know, that's. It's actually not how it play out in this case. They did get it back like you said, and then they decided to kick it back towards midfield and the ref immediately.

[Hahn]

But. But do you see what happened? It goes from one corner kick to another corner kick. A little activity after. Next thing you know, you're a minute and a half past the suggested seven minute. Like, come on, man. If I'm a fan. No, if I'm a fan of Norway, I'd be like, wait a minute. Stop the clock question.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'd be furious.

[Don]

But it works for. But the thing is, you know, when you're a soccer fan, it's going to work for you another time.

[Hahn]

But that one is elimination.

[Rosenberg]

Not elimination question for you. If it's 3:1.

[Caller]

Oh, no.

[Hahn]

None of this Chicago is going to happen.

[Don]

None of the Ranger Games matter.

[Rosenberg]

Three one. The minute it gets. What was it, 97. It was plus seven. Plus seven. It gets a 97. That's it.

[Don]

You're out.

[Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Blow dust.

[Don]

We'll see you later. We're going home, guys.

[Hahn]

Don't. Don't rip into, like. Listen, I agree that Michael won't let it go because it's not like it's ever going to change. No, but it's the World cup, and we're bringing it up.

[Rosenberg]

We're watching is because we're American.

[Don]

They're rolling, folks. They're rolling.

[Hahn]

Of course they are. I just. I can't. I called the game in Utah this year, and the Devils are trying to hold on. There's, like, they have a face off in the defensive zone with, like, seven seconds. Now I'm watching the ice, waiting for the horn. I'm like where the heck's the horn? Because I. I. I couldn't look up to see how much time was left because I didn't want to take my eye away from. And then finally the horn and I. And I. I said to. I said to Kenny. We went to break.

[Don]

I said where was the horn and what happened?

[Hahn]

No. It just. It was seven seconds. But it just felt like a long time and it felt like it's like. What was it like? Well, let him take the shot. All right. So there's. Let's say there's no horn. They're buzzing. So let the. Let the mammoth take a shot. Maybe it'll go in like. We would never tolerate that here. The clock stops. Zeros out. That's it. You're done.

[Rosenberg]

Game over.

[Hahn]

We do have. But it's a rule. There could be a shot after the buzzer as long as it's already left your hand or you've taken the shot. Maybe hockey should do something like that where you take a shot then you let and see where it plays out beyond the buzzer. But it's not just oh, let's see how it plays out. Why do I will it. We're letting it see how it played out. I played 90 minutes fair and square.

[Don]

All right.

[Hahn]

I've got a one goal lead.

[Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Hahn]

You get to play a little bit longer because we want to keep the audience captivated. That's unfair.

[Don]

Why do American like commentators like us care about this? The people actually playing the game. Never complain about.

[Hahn]

You know why.

[Rosenberg]

I don't care.

[Caller]

No.

[Hahn]

I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you right now. And I'm going to show why it's great to be in America.

[Don]

Oh please.

[Hahn]

Because we make changes when we complain enough. When we march. When we protest. We can change things. We've got a laundry list. In other countries they just accept their faith. I can't do anything about it because I can't protest because I'm not free.

[Don]

Do you think it's the right protest?

[Rosenberg]

I'm free here.

[Hahn]

We could take to the streets. We could stop that war. We could change the way people think and we don't like it. And if soccer was invented here you know what they would do? They would 000 games over. Because we as fans would demand it. We demand change and change happens.

[Don]

Yeah.

[Hahn]

In Norway it's like we got to live with it because what are we going to do? Put it in a suggestion box.

[Don]

No other places.

[Hahn]

You make a suggestion you get shot.

[Don]

Don.

[Rosenberg]

This is, look, we don't have air conditioning in Paris because this is how it's always.

[Hahn]

It's always been. Nobody wants to change it. But here it's always about, we don't like it. We're going to take to the straight now.

[Rosenberg]

What do you think you're better? You think you're better than previous generations? And they didn't air condition. They lived through it, but those people

[Hahn]

died for air conditioning.

[Don]

Stupid international game with all these. Every time I look at the tv, I see all these women from one country, borderline topless, jumping up and down. If this were America, they're not even there. We got nothing but men getting dropped.

[Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Hahn]

Falling on top of each other.

[Rosenberg]

Guess what?

[Don]

When it hits zero, those men are going home.

[Hahn]

They're going home. They're going straight home.

[Don]

All right.

[Hahn]

That's because we got things to do. We don't have all this extra time. No, I got work to go to. And we don't.

[Don]

We don't have time for having all these women having fun at the game. It's a man's game.

[Hahn]

And it ends with, I got a train to catch because they wouldn't let

[Don]

me park in the parking lot here. Yeah, exactly. Right. Oh, perfect timing. Here comes Jameis Winston wearing a full Norwegian outfit. Why is he always doing more than he needs to? Again, Every time he's on tv, he's dancing. He's never just doing the.

[Rosenberg]

He's rowing with the Norwegians now.

[Don]

He's rowing with the Norwegians.

[Hahn]

And when that clock hits zero, he stops. That means it's old America.

[Rosenberg]

But he doesn't know he even gets two minute warning.

[Don]

That's right.

[Caller]

How.

[Rosenberg]

How could he play soccer? He wouldn't know.

[Don]

No, that's right.

[Rosenberg]

You didn't even tell me there was two minutes.

[Hahn]

What's our most popular sport? Football. We. We are adhered to the clock so much that we warn you there's only two minutes left. Basketball games, what do they say when there's two minutes left?

[Don]

Right.

[Hahn]

What do they say in a hockey game when there's 1 minute left, 1

[Don]

minute left in the period 1 minute left.

[Hahn]

They're warning you and it's going to end because we're not going to this stupid soccer. It's not going to go extra.

[Rosenberg]

Wait.

[Don]

You know what?

[Rosenberg]

We are so obsessed with time, by

[Don]

the way, we've now figured it out just in this last two minutes. We are.

[Rosenberg]

We're obsessed.

[Don]

We need to know more than the sport. We care about the time. What's my Two minute warning. Half time, one minute warning. Everyone's got time.

[Rosenberg]

Even the timeouts have like. I can get a 20, but you

[Hahn]

can take a full time out and even like.

[Don]

And they're listed on the screen for you. Come on.

[Hahn]

In some sports, you know, like they. It'll end and woo. And on. Basketball. Game's over. It's like the same sound you hear when you get electrocuted. Any last words? No extra time. That's why. No idea. We were going here, but thank God we saw it firsthand as we were going into the studio watching Norway.

[Don]

We've realized something here today.

[Rosenberg]

There's your World cup coverage sponsored by.

[Don]

We care more about time than we do about. By the way, it's a great point too. Rolex, big sponsor. Yeah, Time. Big sponsor. Timex. Casio used to be a big sponsor. By the way, Serena dropped her first set in her comeback. Her singles comeback. She dropped her first set.

[Rosenberg]

All good.

[Don]

Three, six.

[Hahn]

That's not awful.

[Rosenberg]

No, it's not terrible.

[Hahn]

No.

[Don]

I've been watching her.

[Rosenberg]

Who's she playing? Right opponent. No, no, that's not good.

[Don]

But, but she, she, you know, she looks all right. She looks all right.

[Rosenberg]

Well, look, when you're older it takes you a minute to get loose.

[Don]

And by the way, I have to imagine if she's doing this thing nervous as hell and she's going to be doing it for a little while. Right? Like the comeback isn't one thing. It's like ham and well, she's going

[Rosenberg]

to see how she feels and then go from there.

[Don]

So it's like, hey, how did today feel? Did it look like I could. Should I practice for the next six weeks and go to the US Open? Am I, you know.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's probably what this is about.

[Hahn]

The warm up, the whole, you know, we, we are, we really curated a great start to the show. But this is blown up. People want to talk about this.

[Rosenberg]

Oh yeah, the time continuum.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Don]

The space time continue. Or it's Doc Brown radio over here

[Hahn]

because, you know, we'll get to the Yankees and their slump. We'll get to the LeBron James of it all.

[Don]

Oh, there's a lot.

[Hahn]

If you're a Nick fan. Isn't it great that LeBron James is available? You know, we're good.

[Rosenberg]

You know what though? We need to put a stop to some people already because they're log out right now.

[Don]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

But anyways, stop it.

[Hahn]

But still, it's not really. You need them.

[Rosenberg]

But we're watching the Mitchell Robinson situation because that's really the only thing left. Because this is the right.

[Hahn]

That's a phrase that I hate in sports. It's so lazy. What is it with illegal tampering?

[Rosenberg]

Well, I don't. They have. Well, you. What it really. It's not. Because in the NBA, what it is, is you can talk like starting tonight, you can talk to free agents, but nothing is official.

[Hahn]

I know. For six days. So call it something different. The football. Yeah, exactly. Once you agree to a deal, it's

[Rosenberg]

a handshake deal and it's done.

[Hahn]

I know it's not really tampering. I just. I don't have a problem. Football has illegal tampering. I don't like the naming of it.

[Rosenberg]

I don't think they call it. I don't think they call it that in the NBA.

[Hahn]

Well, then I'm mad at the people that are using.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, people are using the NFL.

[Hahn]

I don't think the NBA uses.

[Rosenberg]

No. And the NHL, it's shotgun wedding, baby. Right. 1201. Or they move that time back to

[Hahn]

what did we not 1201. I don't. It's no longer midnight anymore. But. But it is amazing. People are making. Where am I going to spend my next seven years? And I'm it in 60 seconds.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Hahn]

I think that there's tampering going on. Okay. Has to be like, Peter, you'll get a call at midnight. How would you like to work in Seattle for the next seven years? You've got one minute. Really? I think you've been talking Seattle for like the last two weeks. Yeah, I mean, come on.

[Rosenberg]

These are some places to think about. And then we'll see who calls first after midnight. And they're going to want an answer right away.

[Hahn]

But this is. Honestly, I'm so proud of us. Instead of just complaining about extra time, we're making it something. We're taking calls on it. Come on, Greg and Hoboken. Hit me, man. What do you got?

[Caller]

Yeah, I actually need a soccer. The past 10 years from the United States. I love having the extra time. I love not knowing exactly what. If you actually watch enough soccer, you get a feel for it.

[Don]

Totally.

[Caller]

With respect. With respect to looking at more technology, I look at American football, when I compare it, and we have more technology and they still get the calls wrong.

[Don]

So I'm gonna put them on hold. Does anyone understand what he's saying?

[Hahn]

No, I'm struggling to hear him.

[Don]

I understand a word.

[Hahn]

But what he did say, the last thing that he said was that they. They have all this technology and they still get calls wrong. We're not saying right or wrong, but we know when the game is over now, they'll, they will let you finish a play. If there's a defensive penalty, you know that going in. All right. You know that when there's two seconds left on the clock and I throw a Hail Mary, if there's a pass interference, we're going to continue to play. That makes sense. But it's not like he catches the ball. But he caught the ball. It's inside the five yard line. Give him a play.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, let's give him one more.

[Hahn]

Let's give him one play.

[Rosenberg]

Well, but when you have the countdown, which by the way, is one of the most fun things for kids when it comes to sports, they can't help themselves. Every kid in any place. When the clock hits 10, they're counting 9, 8, 7, 6.

[Hahn]

Right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. Kids do this all the time. You don't have that in soccer. But that's the problem is that you can see that there's not like you can't give them one more play because the clock is telling you this is all the time you have. You better scramble. Didn't the Cowboys mismanaged the clock and they couldn't get a playoff as they were making in the playoffs. It's what cost, I believe, Mike McCarthy, his job.

[Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

So like, that's the difference is when you have the clock on the wall, you have no choice. But when the clock is in the. Is on the wrist of the referee, we're all just going, we're looking at him like, when are you gonna call this?

[Hahn]

And also, it's become a thing for the hundred years that it's been around and soccer fans live with it and find, I guess, charm in it. But you do realize if they had the technology 100 years ago, they would stop the clock probably, and this wouldn't exist. This only exists. Don't tell me they invented the sports. Here's an idea. Let's have extra time so that way we can, you know, make it interesting for the viewer knowing when's the game going to end. No, this was out of necessity because it wasn't fair, because they didn't have the technology to stop the clock.

[Don]

But here's the difference in soccer fans and non soccer fans. And I use soccer fan loosely with myself because I'm really only into it every four years. I would be disappointed if they changed it. I look forward to seeing how much extra time there is at the end of the time. I think it's Fun again. I think it's part of the charm of the sport.

[Rosenberg]

Sitting in there and watching and waiting to see how they were going to let this thing end.

[Don]

It's fun.

[Rosenberg]

And then when they finally called it, we all kind of reacted like, unfortunately,

[Hahn]

guys, I don't want to be a party pooper. We're living in a world now where impropriety is on the table. Well, that world, you know, we just saw an NBA player. You know, it's going to jail for point shaving. Like you do. Leave an opportunity like, hey, I've got money on this game, but I need a couple of more minutes here to see if they can even the score. Like, so it does lend to there being something going on.

[Don]

That's a fair argument.

[Hahn]

You know, and I don't. I don't want to bring that argument up. But it exists now.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, it does.

[Hahn]

I mean, there are players going to jail for doing stuff.

[Don]

But that's not. But you know what? The reason I'm gonna push back here is it's a dishonest argument in that it's not the essence of your argument. You're bringing it in as a possible point, but that's not why. When Michael has his fist clenched and he's screaming at the clouds, I'm not

[Hahn]

Michael K. There's a drop that explains all this.

[Don]

But then he started. This is.

[Hahn]

I'm not clutching my pearls. Oh, you know what my arguments are? Living breathing organisms, and sometimes arms sprout out with different thoughts and feelings to it.

[Don]

That's interesting.

[Hahn]

Richie. Richie and Queen, you're at ESPN New York. What's up, man?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. How you doing?

[Hahn]

This is my first time ever calling

[Caller]

a radio station, but I had to

[Hahn]

call because of the soccer algorithm.

[Caller]

The beauty of the clock is that it never stops. Right?

[Don]

You mean that's part of what it is, is that it never stops. That's like part of the vibe of the game. It's the feel of the game.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Hahn]

Sorry about that.

[Caller]

Yeah. So there is.

[Hahn]

It's not as arbitrary as it seems. If it has seven.

[Caller]

If it says seven minutes, the referee

[Hahn]

adds time on because the ball might go out of bounds or it's a corner kick.

[Caller]

That's why you see a little extra few seconds.

[Rosenberg]

I think we understand. We have a firm grasp of that part of it. It's.

[Don]

I thought he was making a different point.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don]

Which was that. And I thought this was interesting. The reason you want it is the clock always rolling. You know, let's say the ball goes out of bounds and you're getting ready for someone to throw it in the way that it moves of people kind of running, just grabbing and going. It's all part of the feel.

[Rosenberg]

I get it.

[Hahn]

But the end of the game that we just watched had nothing to do other than seeing through the corner kick. And then when another opportunity was created, allowing that to then continue to see if they can tie the game. Not because of a ball going out of bounds or whatever. It was all the feel of we don't want to end the game when there might be a team on the verge of scoring. Oh, no. What happened with the bit of a problem?

[Don]

What happened with Luke Menamon's beard?

[Hahn]

I don't.

[Don]

What the hell happened?

[Hahn]

I don't know. But whatever he did made his chin look different.

[Don]

No, this is not. All right, I'll untext someone. What did he do?

[Rosenberg]

I'm not. He's live on tv. I'm not going to.

[Don]

Yeah, not the fact that it would

[Hahn]

be rude, but he's live on tv. They were calling a commercial.

[Rosenberg]

You feel. Peter, if somebody texted you, you're between two men. The sunglasses look amazing. But what's going on with the.

[Hahn]

People are bringing stuff up about this.

[Don]

He shaved like down here.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know. Listen.

[Hahn]

But they don't get a ring. He still ever wins the World cup, they get a trophy.

[Rosenberg]

But I. I have a ring to share with you.

[Don]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

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[Caller]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Hahn]

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[Don]

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[Hahn]

Perfect.

[Rosenberg]

Hang on.

[Hahn]

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[Don]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Hahn]

Anthony Pusick needs to talk to you about things.

[Rosenberg]

Of course, Don. How are we doing?

[Hahn]

Good. And yourself?

[Rosenberg]

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[Hahn]

Thank you, Anthony.

[Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Hahn]

We were just talking about the extra time and how it frustrates me. Alan, everyone. I'm surprised Michael's still with us. The way he gets apoplectic about it every four years. But the way that soccer fans defend it. And Peter, you're the soccer fan of the group.

[Don]

Of this group. Yes.

[Hahn]

Is the same way baseball fans hated the pitch clock. Well, our sport doesn't have a clock. Our sport's the only sport that doesn't have a clock.

[Rosenberg]

Fair point.

[Hahn]

And it's like, no, this isn't affecting the actual. You know,

[Don]

it is.

[Hahn]

No, but the idea of not having a clock in baseball is the game can blast literally forever. Because a clock's not going to zero out on you.

[Don]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don]

And that's still the case.

[Hahn]

But. And that's still the case. So the clock, actually, it did affect the game in the most positive way possible. It sped the game up, made it way more interesting. And it's. I think it's been a godsend for the sport. But you got the old timey baseball fan who's like, but it's the clock and my sport doesn't have a clock and refuse to acknowledge how much it's helped.

[Don]

Yeah, I agree.

[Hahn]

The sport. Because people gotta hold on. And I think a lot of soccer fans, because they're so used to how it is, they love it and they want to defend it because they're a soccer fan. It's how soccer does it. And if they said, you know, we're gonna get rid of it, like you even said, that would bother you. I feel like it's the same argument of this is what you're used to and you don't want it changed.

[Don]

But I think that if you didn't have extra time the way they do in soccer, it would fundamentally change a certain aspect of the game. Like that is part of the end of a soccer game. Adding time, the lack of being sure of what's going to happen, the last rush. That is part of how the game is played. A lot of people like yourself who aren't big soccer fans who kind of parachute in for a little bit, they see it and they find it irritating. But I think it would markedly to some degree change what the game feels like. Much more so than the pitch clock, which only speeds it up in the middle of the game. But a tied game is still going to go all night long if no one scores runs. It's not changing that part of a baseball game. So I think it's slightly different. I do. I hear what you're saying, though, about, like, you're just defending it because it's part of your old timey ways. Yes, I do agree with that, but I think it would change the game fundamentally.

[Hahn]

But if you say, well, we're not going to stop it every time it goes out of bounds, every time somebody falls down or play is stopped, but if you got like a long five minute injury where they're taking somebody stop the clock.

[Don]

Now that's interesting. Can you, can you do that where at least there's like, hey, once it gets past a certain point, we stop the clock. And that would limit then the added time to like 2 minutes as opposed

[Hahn]

to 10 or why can't you say, all right, this is the way we do it? There was seven minutes. We didn't want to stop the clock, but they ended up playing another minute and a half because they were buzzing around the goal. That's my issue.

[Don]

God, I.

[Hahn]

How would that would change hockey if, again, he's on a breakaway. So, yeah, the clock zeroed out, but let's just see if he can score the goal. All right, a basketball team's on a rush. They're down three. They're down two points. Let him take the shot. All right, the shot. The shot was taken after the buzzer, but, yeah, he really tried. He put it up there and he hit it. So come on, let him have it. Let him have it.

[Don]

No, that's the way it kind of feels. It would change it if you. If that happened all of a sudden, but it's always been this way.

[Hahn]

And okay, listen, I don't care in particular, but just watching it in real time and we were coming on the air, it just, it hit me and it was fun. Let's go to Cody in San Diego. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Cody?

[Caller]

Hey, guys. So just contributing to this conversation, I just want to have a point and a question. The point being the refs are actually judged on how well they dole out the time. So, you know, since the World cup implemented the hydration break, there's a minimum of three, three minutes per half because there's three minutes of hydration break. So theoretically, it should be like really easy to account for how much time there should be. Second point or the question I have for you guys is in terms of baseball, when I think about this, the comp I have is a drop. Third strike. It just doesn't really make a lot of sense. So I'm wondering what you guys think about that.

[Hahn]

Well, the difference, it's because nobody's really ever paid attention, Cody, to what the rule is, is that in order for the strikeout to be completed. The catcher has to catch the ball, but because he always catches it for the most part, and if he does drop it, it's right there. And then the guy's like, I don't want to run knowing I'm going to get thrown out. So we just take it for granted that when you swing and miss, you're out. Technically you're not. So I don't think that's a great comp because the rule is if it gets behind the catcher, he technically hasn't struck out yet. You could actually have an endless amount of strikeouts in an inning. If four times there's a wild pitch on a strikeout, the pitcher can end up having, you know, seven strikeouts, but only three were actually out.

[Rosenberg]

Didn't we actually have that happen once where a pitcher had four strikeouts in an inning?

[Hahn]

So in order for the out to be recorded, the strikeout still happened, but he got on because of the wild pitch.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Hahn]

So I guess my argument with the extra time is not the extra time, it's the understood we're going to let this play out. So not only we throw in an extra seven minutes because we didn't stop the clock, but because they've got a corner kick and the rebound led to another corner kick, we're going to tack on yet another minute and a half. And that minute and a half is an extra time. That minute and a half is actually extra entertainment time.

[Rosenberg]

And if it was three to one, we wouldn't, we wouldn't be doing it.

[Hahn]

So you are literally giving the team that's losing extra time to tie the game. And it has nothing to do with not being able to stop the clock hydration times. It's just that that wouldn't that bother you, Allen, if you're an Islander fan and you've got a one goal lead on the Rangers and the Rangers get an extra 30 seconds because they're buzzing and they're on the power plane. You kind of just want to see this through.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, of course it would. Of course it would. You know, but like Peter said, everybody knows this is coming. You're used to it. So fans don't react like we do, but because we're relatively new to this, it's our jarring reaction to it. We're just staring at it, going, well, now I can only imagine what Europeans think or even like cricket fans think when they watch baseball. They might say the same thing.

[Hahn]

Why the hell they do that unless it's stupid. It's their thing and they can do what they want to do. And I'm not getting mad at soccer.

[Rosenberg]

We're not telling them. We're just telling them we hate it.

[Hahn]

It bothers me because all the other sports, it's the only sport that does this, to my knowledge, where you kind of let it play out. It's almost like, you know, giving Marco an extra couple of swings, you know, letting him hit a home run, you know, it just. It's fine when you're playing on the playground or whatever.

[Don]

We all.

[Hahn]

We all did that. Give him one more down. Let's see if he can do it before the bell ring, you know? And it just. It's odd to me, somebody that's. That's competitive. It would bother me if I had a dog in the fight. And maybe I will. Maybe the US Will advance, and I'll be watching, and I'll be totally into it, and they'll have a lead, and I'll be like, stop it. Blow the whistle. No, no, let's. Let's give them another chance. And then you'll see. Then you'll see.

[Don]

No, it would suck.

[Hahn]

And what if they lost?

[Don]

But it would suck. But it's just. How would they put right?

[Hahn]

And it's just.

[Don]

It would be.

[Hahn]

And, you know, imagine.

[Rosenberg]

Imagine if you imagine if when you went down in a boxing match, that's like time tacked back on, right? So I give you an eight count. So that's eight more seconds now in the round. So I knock you out, but so

[Hahn]

no saved by the bell.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, I don't knock you right. There's no saved by the bell, but there's also not that I knock you out. I'm winning this fight. Statistically, it's over, but it's like, I don't know, let's see if he can get a chance to knock this guy out. You know what I mean? And so the time's up. But because of. There's some extra time to it, you might give him a chance to knock me out before I can get the win at the bell.

[Hahn]

Here's a legitimate question.

[Rosenberg]

It's just extra. It just feels like.

[Hahn]

Wait. Plenty of examples. Let me throw this out to you,

[Don]

Peter, and honestly, all right, this one's gonna be the one where I go, you know what? I'm with you guys.

[Rosenberg]

You're gonna walk out.

[Don]

They gotta change.

[Rosenberg]

No, no. There's no way you're here.

[Don]

Who.

[Hahn]

Who could the US Play if they made it all the way to the. To the championship game at MetLife Stadium? All right, who's a potential.

[Don]

Let me look at the actual bracket,

[Hahn]

because I want this conversation to be as authentic as possible.

[Don]

You want us to feel like. All right, so let's say the US Manages to get past Bosnia tomorrow and Herzegovina.

[Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Hahn]

By the way, two countries.

[Don]

I know. So think about that. So where is the US in this damn bracket? I'm looking for him.

[Hahn]

Here we go.

[Don]

So if they're. We're on the top half, if we end up playing, call it Brazil.

[Hahn]

Okay? Oh, that'd be interesting.

[Don]

It could. Brazil.

[Rosenberg]

The old men of Brazil.

[Don]

It could be Argentina. It could be England. USA 250.

[Hahn]

England looking gold. How better than that, right? Kidding me. Oh, England with their revenge.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you know what?

[Hahn]

Here's how we'll do it.

[Rosenberg]

Bonus bet, 1776 on fan.

[Hahn]

Yeah. Here's how. I'd have England come out marching in a straight line. I'd have all the American players coming out of the stands, like, all over the ambush them, right? So that happens. By that game, America's going to be over the moon. They're going to be totally in. Oh, my God. We've got a chance to win.

[Don]

Sports history, I think, legit.

[Rosenberg]

I'm not even joking.

[Don]

Usa England would outrate any super bowl business.

[Hahn]

So this is the biggest sporting event in our country's history.

[Caller]

Wow.

[Don]

Now, see, now we're having a conversation. Now you're setting the stage.

[Hahn]

It's put. Now we have a. Officially put the bed. The Miracle on Ice. Miracles. Miracle on Ice is done. Jim Craig, who. It's all right.

[Don]

This is.

[Rosenberg]

It's over.

[Hahn]

And they're up 2 1. We're up to 1. We've got England on the ropes.

[Rosenberg]

They've got again.

[Don]

We got five looking for a sweep.

[Hahn]

Five minutes of extra time, and we're clinging to that 21 lead. But all of a sudden, five becomes six.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Hahn]

Because England's buzzing. The clock continues to go beyond. Wait, they've got. They've got a plus five. But it's. It's more than 96, 97. England's buzzing. What's going on? The whole country screaming. And the game blow the whistle and England scores. Oh, my God. Goes to PK England wins. The soccer fan will go, hey, that's

[Don]

the way it goes.

[Hahn]

But all those people that weren't soccer fans that were now all in, they would go, you know what? I'm done with this sport. I'm out.

[Rosenberg]

This is stupid.

[Hahn]

And tell me that wouldn't happen. And tell me they'd be wrong.

[Rosenberg]

We're changing the rules.

[Hahn]

You couldn't tell me they'd be wrong investigation.

[Don]

Why would you ever. But the thing is, you know perfectly well everything you just said is true. Everything is true. And by the way, some of them would have been drawn into it. And I think even that wouldn't take them out. So some percentage would say, of course, because the journey was amazing. There's a percentage of people who would be out. But you cannot tell me in good conscience the sport should govern themselves based on these people who do not watch

[Hahn]

the sport, who they're hoping, who would

[Don]

be willing to quit the sport after one day governing the sport for you. Yo, yos.

[Hahn]

What I'm telling you is for the

[Don]

people who love the sport.

[Hahn]

What I'm telling you is. I am not telling you they should change it.

[Rosenberg]

It could kill this board.

[Hahn]

Do what you do. It's working for you. Okay.

[Don]

I think they're doing all right.

[Hahn]

They're doing fine. I'm just giving you an example why it just doesn't seem to click here in the States. And that would be an example from greatest moment and possibly on the, on the verge of the greatest moment in the history of sports in this country to a lot of people saying I'm out because they just wouldn't get it. They wouldn't understand it. And I've been sitting here for 50 years as a sports fan hearing that soccer is the fastest growing sport. It's going to happen. I think that's the reason why it just hasn't clicked the way it's clicked with every other country in the world. And I'm not saying we're right, but I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's

[Rosenberg]

simply I'm watching and I'm like, what is that?

[Don]

It can't be that.

[Rosenberg]

What is that? What do we do?

[Don]

That's not it. That's not it. I disagree. You guys don't think that's it.

[Hahn]

The only thing is not.

[Rosenberg]

No, it's the only thing, but it's part of the things.

[Don]

There's so many things it's part of. Americans are impatient. That's why a lot of them don't like hockey.

[Hahn]

Don was just talking about this too.

[Rosenberg]

Most people don't know hockey. They don't understand half the rules. They don't want to watch icing and offside. They don't get it right. But one thing they do know clock they do know.

[Hahn]

And also it's one of the, the biggest reasons we're not any good. We're not any good at it. That's why we don't like it, by the way. And that would change if they went all the way to the championship game at Life Stadium. But I do think this, that might do.

[Don]

Seriously, isn't it something all the way? It's a MetLife Stadium.

[Rosenberg]

What kind of number would that get?

[Hahn]

No, it would be incredible. But we do have breaking news.

[Don]

Really?

[Hahn]

The Los Angeles Clippers are nearing a deal sending Kawhi Leonard to the Toronto raptors.

[Rosenberg]

All right, 2019.

[Hahn]

Brandon Ingram.

[Rosenberg]

Ingram's going?

[Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Who else?

[Hahn]

One of the great names in the NBA, Grady Dick.

[Rosenberg]

Well, they had to get rid of him.

[Hahn]

Two second round picks, one pick swap. And second rounders sources tell espn.

[Rosenberg]

So that's a dump. Straight up. We don't want him. They want to remember that whole controversy there with how he got paid from that landscape or tree company. Whatever.

[Don]

Let's move on.

[Rosenberg]

That might even be the league saying, you know what? We've done an investigation. Why don't we just get him out of there? Let's get him out of there. Start fresh. They wanted to get rid of him. Brandon's a nice player. He's an all star caliber player.

[Hahn]

But wow.

[Rosenberg]

So he goes back to Toronto where he won his championship in 2019.

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[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Rosenberg]

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[Hahn]

I'm arguing with people on Twitter about American Pie, which is fun because you know what? Arguing about music. But I just hate when people say I. I have a bad. The fact that I love that song is a bad take.

[Rosenberg]

That the. The Don McLean vehicle. Yeah.

[Don]

What else would it be?

[Hahn]

And then the movie. The movie Steiny. Seven. Seven, seven.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, boy. I guess.

[Hahn]

I guess when he had to put his name on the Avatar, he just like leaned on the keyboard board. So what I told him, I said, it's not a good song. It's a great song.

[Don]

Oh, wow.

[Hahn]

This is a bad take, Don. American Pie, paradise by the Dashboard Lights. Also a very good song. And Summer Nights from Greece. And basically anything else heard sung from a girls college Dorm in the mid-90s is awful. Do you know what it's about? Like, it's basically the history of rock and roll. There's different meanings to listen. Obviously. You just don't have the time. The brain. The brain waves listen. Music is selective. You're also subjective.

[Rosenberg]

What? That screams. That's. That's feigned masculinity right there. Anything that a girl sang in a dorm room is not good music. Okay.

[Hahn]

Don McLean's not a. Not a woman. Number one, you're number two. Listen, you don't have to like the song. I don't think Peter's a big fan.

[Don]

No, no, I like the song, but

[Hahn]

not everybody is going to love every song.

[Rosenberg]

Exactly.

[Hahn]

But to not acknowledge the significance. Listen, preference wise, I'd set fire to everything the Grateful Dead ever did. It is noise to me. I don't understand why anybody would like it. But I acknowledge their greatness because they were around forever and people follow them all over the country and people love them, so they must be not my cup of tea. But I'm gonna acknowledge the greatness.

[Rosenberg]

There you go. That's it.

[Hahn]

The song is like in the top 10. The Fourth of July is coming. So they're gonna have like the top 100 songs, top 250 songs. It's gonna be in at least the top 20 of every single list. They did a documentary on it.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don]

You can't. There's no denying it. I, I. Oh, there's I. I'm with.

[Rosenberg]

And it was such a good song. Don couldn't make another song. That was it. That's not true. Didn't come. Didn't come through.

[Don]

He's got a.

[Rosenberg]

No, come on.

[Don]

What's it called? The Other Big One.

[Rosenberg]

What's the Other big one?

[Hahn]

Well, Vincent was a huge.

[Rosenberg]

Come on.

[Don]

Tupac's favorite song.

[Rosenberg]

Once you. Once.

[Hahn]

That's it. Really?

[Don]

We've we did. No, I swear to God. We did the whole. We did this whole.

[Caller]

Really?

[Hahn]

It could have been.

[Don]

Everything's deja vu.

[Rosenberg]

That's.

[Hahn]

I take days off.

[Don]

No, you think I talked about with Michael.

[Rosenberg]

It started to take effect.

[Hahn]

You would have gotten more out of it if you talked to your foot.

[Don]

Right, Exactly. All parts of it, by the way.

[Rosenberg]

You know, you could have talked to Og about it.

[Don]

You don't. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, gee would have responded.

[Don]

Why? Oh, you mean, oh, she the cutout we have here. You don't remember that we did a whole thing?

[Hahn]

I don't remember. We'll talk about.

[Don]

He has. I believe he has a Vincent tattoo.

[Caller]

Okay.

[Hahn]

It's about Vincent Van Gogh. It's a deep stuff. He's got a dreidel song. Okay, well, because he's not Jewish, but it's actually very good song.

[Rosenberg]

McLean. What a shock.

[Hahn]

Well, I'm just. That might not be his real name. I don't know.

[Don]

That's true.

[Hahn]

It's great for it, you know, fair. Maybe he converted.

[Don]

We don't know.

[Rosenberg]

That could have happened too.

[Don]

But people are just, you know.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don]

Like I called you up for the other day, though.

[Rosenberg]

You.

[Don]

You can do the same thing.

[Hahn]

Oh, I'm known.

[Don]

Not in terms of like. Right. You don't write off whole artists, but you will say something's cheesy and then you're turning around and the next thing you're singing. I'm like, this is the cheesiest. And that goes back to Alan's point.

[Hahn]

But I love cheese.

[Don]

Everyone's cheese is another man's hamburger.

[Hahn]

Yeah, but there's. But I do enjoy cheese.

[Don]

But other people's cheese. You like.

[Hahn]

Because I'll get the. The. The countdown on this weekend for the 80s on 8 was 82. Oh, and that, you know, the Charlene song.

[Don]

Yes, Charlene. Charlene.

[Hahn]

No, no, no. Her name is Charlene.

[Rosenberg]

That's Jolie. That's Jolene.

[Hahn]

Sorry.

[Rosenberg]

This is. This is. I've been to paradise but I've never

[Hahn]

been to me paradise but I've never been to me I mean cheese, by the way. Cheese on the taco. But I'll sing it out I'll roll the window down and sing it out loud I love cheese.

[Rosenberg]

Read the lyrics.

[Hahn]

Oh, she was undressed by kings this

[Rosenberg]

girl was undressed by kings what are you guys talking about? Seen some things that a woman ain't

[Hahn]

supposed to see Supposed to see that's what she says. Put the hand of a preacher man and made love under the sun under the sun she was a complete blank bag.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Hahn]

But it's a good song shot.

[Don]

That's where we were going.

[Rosenberg]

There's a whole song about how she lived a frivolous life before she met the guy that she fell in love with. And she's letting him know, hey, just so you know. You know, I've been around the block. She was Rose.

[Don]

She's Rose.

[Rosenberg]

Right?

[Don]

We know how you feel about Rose.

[Hahn]

If Charlene was in Titanic, Rose would have been next in line.

[Don]

After.

[Hahn]

After. Rose was a loose woman.

[Rosenberg]

God.

[Hahn]

Summer.

[Rosenberg]

Summer, baby.

[Hahn]

Summer, baby.

[Rosenberg]

Let's.

[Hahn]

Let's go to Fred in Fresh Meadow. You're on espn, New York. Hi, Fred.

[Caller]

Thank you.

[Hahn]

Save us, Fred.

[Caller]

Yeah, thanks for taking my call. In addition to being a huge Knicks fan going back to the 1960s, I'm a huge soccer fan. And I played the sport and followed the sport. And quite frankly, I agree with you 100% regarding the way the clock is handled. And I just want to tell you there's a very simple solution that we had when I played soccer, going back college soccer, more than 50 years ago, and that is, yeah, we had a scoreboard. There was a timer on the side of the field who followed what the ref instructed, and basically the clock was stopped when there was a goal. If there was a serious injury on the field or if there was a major infraction, like we played a game in the NCAA tournament and our star midfielder got in a fight with the star midfielder from the other team and both of them were tossed from the game. The clock was stopped then, but otherwise it was running time, and you absolutely knew if there was 10 seconds left in the game. So I don't see why they can't institute that for what Sounds like Fred,

[Hahn]

and I think Peter has really been eloquent in this whole conversation, is that they don't want to or feel they have to.

[Don]

No, everyone's fine with it.

[Hahn]

There's just people who aren't a part

[Don]

of it that have a problem.

[Hahn]

We, and I'm not meaning this disrespectfully, we are a wham, bam, thank you, ma' am country. We don't like Formula One, which is, I think, way better than nascar. To me, they go way faster. But we like the bumping and the grinding and the rubbing. Is racing a nascar? Because that's kind of what our country's about, right? There's a reason why we love football, you know, the violence of it. You know, I just think that we are the one little piece of the planet that looks at things a Little bit differently than everybody else. We don't. We don't have time to appreciate the beauty of the moment.

[Rosenberg]

We want to be entertained now.

[Hahn]

We don't want to sit there and think about what it all means. We just want to get the answer immediately right. And that's how we are. And that's how we're. And that. That's the difference.

[Don]

The truth is it is a very European and American difference.

[Rosenberg]

Huge.

[Don]

And it's not just Europe, obviously. It's the whole world. But we, you know, that. That sort of je ne sais quoi, the like vibes, the, you know, let's just. Can we just be honest for a second? But they know how to live life. A little siesta, you know, on weeknights, going out and having a bottle of wine and smoking a cigarette. They live life over there. We want a clock. We want it done. We want to move on to the next.

[Hahn]

That's it. We got something else.

[Don]

Because I don't know if you know this. We're taught in other countries, in other parts of the world, they're taught to, like, live life and have a good time and enjoy everything we are taught. You go to school till you're 18 or 22, and then you immediately work a 9 to 5 until you're 65. And then you humor yourself that when you retire, you're gonna have some sort of great retirement. And then you either drop dead because we're served poison our entire life, or you just kind of hang on for

[Hahn]

dear life till it ends.

[Don]

Over there. They have a good time.

[Rosenberg]

It's the contrast of live to work

[Don]

versus work to live. Exactly.

[Rosenberg]

Simply the contrast. It is.

[Don]

It's a small version of that. But there is a thing in the way they do it that's just kind of like.

[Rosenberg]

It's an attitude.

[Don]

It's an attitude. It's the approach to it. They like it. I like it. It's how I like to live. I. I'm stuck here. This is home and this is the life I chose. But I like to think that I'd

[Hahn]

like to live there. I don't think either one's right or wrong. I just think that's the big difference.

[Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don]

I don't want to know how the

[Rosenberg]

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