Hour 1: The Lollipop Kid

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 1: The Lollipop Kid
ESPN New York — June 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

Hour 1 of the “Don, Hahn & Rosenberg” show tackles the unusual but headlines-grabbing “Lollipop Gate” involving Yankees’ Jazz Chisholm and manager Aaron Boone. The hosts—Don La Greca, Alan Hahn (absent this episode), and Peter Rosenberg—use a light, conversational tone to examine the dynamic between showmanship and tradition in sports, Boone's rare public displeasure, and broader reflections on changing clubhouse cultures. Listeners also chime in, amplifying the tongue-in-cheek but strangely telling debate: should a player’s on-field lollipop really be the week’s sports talk centerpiece?

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Summer Vibes, Weather, and Wellness

• The show opens with banter about classic New York summer weather and both Don and Peter fighting off persistent colds/allergies.
• Don notes, “I feel like I’ve been congested for six months. It’s just variations of how bad it is...” [02:07]
• Peter links feeling run down to post-COVID life: “I’m not a terribly sickly person... I just kind of seem like I’m always fighting it.” [03:05]

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2. World Cup & Euro Soccer Energy

• Don and Peter compare the joyous, party-like atmosphere of international soccer crowds to American sports fans.
• “These crowds have fun, man... they’re just happy to be out on a nice day, all with one thing in mind: have fun and hope Norway wins. I love it.” — Don [03:37]
• Peter notes the logistical excitement of group play: “Now you finally have two games on simultaneously, where one entire group is in play and they have to play at the same time for the integrity of the games.” [05:18]
• They segue into how this contrasts with U.S. sports environments and the growing American appreciation for soccer culture.

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3. The Lollipop Kid: Jazz Chisholm and Aaron Boone

The Incident:

• Jazz Chisholm took the field for a half-inning with a lollipop in his mouth, prompting Yankees manager Aaron Boone to publicly say it “pissed him off.”
• After Boone’s comments, Jazz hit a home run, then cheekily brandished a container of lollipops to the TV cameras the next game.

Breaking it Down:

• Why is this even a story?
  • Don wonders, “Are we really talking about lollipops? ...We’ve seen chewing tobacco, bubble gum, sunflower seeds. What the heck’s the difference?” [07:25]
  • But notes what’s unusual: Boone rarely singles out players. “That was the story to me...not, I can’t believe he disrespected the game.” [10:51]
• Does this undermine Boone’s authority?
  • “Doesn’t that neuter the manager?” Don asks. He speculates whether Boone is under organizational pressure to embrace more player individuality. [09:01]
  • Peter clarifies: “The thing that means something is he went out in the field eating one...and then, picking up the thing of lollipops and shaking it at the camera. Who else is that message to?” [10:15]
• Yankee culture in transition
  • Don: “Remember, Brian Cashman acquired Jazz...he wanted to add a little personality to the team, to wake things up...they decided to allow beards and be a little more lenient.” [09:00]
  • “I think analytics have neutered [Boone],” Don says, questioning how much real control he has. [11:30]
• Is this ‘the Yankee Way’ anymore?
  • Peter: “There have been fans out there...counting down the moments, Don, for Boone to sort of take a stand in a big moment...and for it to happen over the lollipop is just...it’s wacky.” [12:56]
  • Don: “He doesn’t say that without knowing the ramifications, the shockwaves that’s going to send around Yankee nation.” [20:05]

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4. Direct Quotes from Jazz Chisholm and Aaron Boone

• Jazz on fans jeering and lollipops:

  “I like when they get on me a little bit. Where’s my lollipop?... Yeah, they’re screaming it during the at bat… I think I got 0-2 early in the at bat, and they started screaming like, ‘you gonna get a lollipop or what?’” [14:44, Jazz Chisholm]

• On Boone’s comments:

  “We talked a little bit, but it wasn’t nothing like crazy, you know, just safety hazards.” [15:00, Jazz Chisholm]

• Explaining the lollipop itself:

  “The reason why it took so long is because I was trying to bite through it, but my teeth was not letting me get through it. It was like a brand new lollipop…” [15:12, Jazz Chisholm]

• Does Jazz think it’s a bad look?

  “I’m playing a game, a kid’s game, having fun, so I don’t think it’s a bad look. I just feel like safety issues.” [15:30, Jazz Chisholm]

• Boone relents post-win:

  “Yeah, the lollipop kid came through tonight in a big way. So that was good. He can have all the lollipops he wants now. So we’re good.” [16:29, Aaron Boone]

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5. Boone’s Rare Flash of Displeasure

• Don: “Aaron Boone...is not someone that messes up and spill something to the media that he doesn’t want...when Aaron Boone told John Boy...‘it pissed me off,’ he wanted people to know...” [17:04]
• Peter: “The story is...Boone actually said, I’m pissed off...there are fans out there...for Boone to sort of take a stand in a big moment and say, you know what? Enough’s enough. And for it to happen over the lollipop is just...it’s wacky.” [12:56, 28:21]
• Don questions whether top-down pressure changed Boone’s tune overnight:

  “It feels like somebody got in Aaron’s ear. Get on board with this.” [19:09, Don Hahn]

• Metaphors about authority:

  “[It’s like] if you discipline [your daughter] Maya...and then all of a sudden she goes and just does the exact same thing the next day, and it’s like, I don’t have any power.” [21:05, Don Hahn] “That’s generally what Boone is like...you thought you’d get a certain reaction...Donna [got] the exact opposite.” [22:08, Peter Rosenberg]

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6. Callers Chime In

Not everyone is invested in “Lollipop Gate”:

• Edwin from Middletown: “We should let go of the lollipop talk, like it’s been two days...not that big of a deal...you and Rosenberg should worry about the Mets.” [26:33]
• Peter retorts: “The lollipop’s more interesting.” [26:53]
• Don: “It didn’t bother me or Peter either...The manager of your team said he was pissed off. So right there, if he’s the one that seemed to care about it, then all of a sudden, he didn’t care about it. I found that curious.” [27:53]
• Peter googles Boone’s public flare-ups: “...on a lighter but notably exasperated note, Boone publicly vented on the Talking Yanks podcast after discovering Jazz Chisholm played a half inning with a lollipop...it’s in the conversation, guys.” [30:00]

Listeners’ takes on team authority and culture:

• Rob in Florida: “Maybe Boone said, okay, if you are producing and doing stuff to help the team, then like, Boone doesn’t mind it. But if you’re not...why make yourself extra the distractions?” [45:47]
• Peter: “To the victor goes the spoils, right?...No one’s gonna care what you do if you’re on your way to winning an MVP.” [46:53]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Don: “How does an emotional guy like Aaron Boone...go from pissed off to, well, everything’s great...I don’t have any information, I have no contacts...It feels like somebody got in Aaron’s ear. Get on board with this.” [17:40, 19:09]
• Peter: “It actually sounds a lot like what trying to discipline [my daughter] now at 17 months is like...she just does it again...That’s generally what Boone is like.” [22:08]
• Peter: “Neither Don nor I freaked out and played holier than thou talk show host about the lollipop. Both of us felt it’s kind of whatever. But you don’t think Boone saying, quote, I’m pissed off, and then Jazz holding the box of lollipops to the camera...that’s absolutely nothing?” [27:03]
• Don on Yankees’ new approach: “It feels like the Yankees are trying to change their way...these players aren’t going to want to come here unless they can have a certain amount of control, a certain amount of power.” [24:42]

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Memorable, Lighthearted Segment

Caller "Ace" admits a years-long mistake:

• Thought Don’s last name was McGregor, not La Greca.
• Don and Peter riff: “I can understand thinking my name was Dom. A lot of people have confused that. But McGregor?” — Don [32:12]
• Peter: “You know what, Ace? It takes a big man to do this. I respect the hell out of this call.” [32:46]

Off-the-cuff humor about language, New York vernacular, and word usage:

• Don and Peter joke about local references (Harlem as Uptown), and mispronunciations like “supposably” or “succumb/circum.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:07] Host wellness/Joy of summer/Allergies
• [03:37] Soccer crowd culture—U.S. vs. Europe
• [07:00] World Cup group stage logistics—team scenarios
• [07:25] The lollipop incident—How did this become a story?
• [09:01] Does Jazz’s behavior challenge Boone’s authority?
• [10:15] Peter analyzes the signaling of Jazz grabbing lollipops for the camera
• [11:30] Don on the changing “Yankee way”
• [14:44] Jazz Chisholm on being heckled and the lollipop
• [15:00] Jazz: “We talked a little bit, but it wasn’t nothing like crazy...”
• [16:29] Aaron Boone is now “all-in” on Jazz after the win
• [17:04] Boone rarely goes after players; this is a deliberate exception
• [19:09] Don speculates Boone was told to get on board with Jazz’s antics
• [22:08] Parenting metaphors for clubhouse authority
• [26:33] Caller says enough with the lollipop, let’s talk Mets!
• [27:53] Don: “The manager of your team said he was pissed off...that’s curious!”
• [30:00] Rosenberg lists Boone’s public meltdowns
• [32:01] Comic relief: Caller “Ace” mishears Don’s name for a decade
• [43:21] Harlem as “Uptown”; New York neighborhood lingo
• [45:47] Listener Rob’s perspective: If you’re producing, you can get away with antics

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Summary & Takeaways

• The real story isn’t the lollipop, but what it reveals about shifting power in sports teams: player showmanship vs. manager authority, and the evolution of the “Yankees Way.”
• Don and Peter view Boone’s public criticism—and subsequent rapid reversal—as both genuine and possibly reflective of pressure from above to let players be themselves for the sake of team chemistry and branding.
• Both hosts avoid “old man yells at cloud” moralizing about modern players, instead analyzing the dynamics at play with good humor.
• For Don and Peter, moments like this capture the changing face of New York sports—and why, even in the dog days of summer, a lollipop in the dugout can drive the whole city to talk.

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This hour captures the blend of deeper sports culture insight, playful argument, and classic New York humor that defines the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg show. Whether or not you care about lollipops, authority, or Yankees drama—a small gesture can trigger a big conversation.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This summer, serve up the cookout classics. Oscar Mayer hot dogs and Heinz mustard. Grill up a dog, add classic yellow mustard or loaded Chicago style. We all know it's not a cookout without Oscar Meyer and Hines.

[Producer/Host Assistant]

Done.

[Don Hahn]

I'll be licking the television screen. Licking it like it's ice cream con.

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Oh, the type of music I listen to would make you cry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Rosenberg, I expect to be called ball coach.

[Don Hahn]

This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Producer/Host Assistant]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg, the

[Don Hahn]

best threesome I've ever heard on ESPN

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New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Don Hahn]

Happy Wednesday, everybody. Don Hahn and Rosenberg until 6:30 and then it's game two of the double header between the Mets and the Cubs. Game one, they're moving to the seventh inning and the Mets are down six to three as they continue to careen down the mountain that is called the 2026 season. We'll get into that a little bit later on Yankees, a topic of conversation. But before we do anything, talk about the NBA Draft Day 2 today. So no Allen on. If something breaks, we'll let you know. We've got a list at 4:30. We got ENN at 6. But before anything, we say hello to my friend, Peter Rosenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My friend and yours.

[Caller/Guest]

Hey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, how are you? Hi, Don, how are you?

[Don Hahn]

Very, very well. Beautiful day today after a couple of rainy days, which I didn't necessarily mind because we had gone a long stretch of beautiful weather, but got back to a real sensible early summer day and trying to enjoy it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, today was lovely. I actually somehow felt I've started to feel over the last 24 hours run down again and like I'm fighting something off for, you know, the 30th time this year. So I just took a nap before our meeting. I've been working out in the morning, which has generally been great, but I'm feeling run down. So I ended up feeling dead. But I don't know, Don, these things just keep coming around no matter how nice the weather is.

[Don Hahn]

I'm still almost getting sick, I'll tell you, as I call immediately talk. I feel like I've been congested for six months and it's just variations of how bad it is. It's not overly bad for a while, but it's still there. And the kids are coughing and I run into people, they're sneezing, coughing. My mom, God bless her, doesn't get out. She doesn't leave the house very often. And I talked to her last night and she's got something. Well, how can that be? You haven't been in contact with anybody for a while. I really think it's allergies. I think that's what it probably is. But I'm no doctor and I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night. But it's just my theory that I think we all got some allergy going on. But whatever, because the weather's been crazy, right? We've had, you know, inordinately hot days to all of a sudden it drops down and it's cold and it just. Everything just seems a little off, weather wise. But, you know, we're fighting through it, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, listen, I guess. I guess it could be that Alan often talks about the time changes since COVID I also just think new strains of everything popped up during COVID They haven't quite figured it all out yet. But I know I'm not a terribly sickly person. And I just. I take my vitamins, I take my vitamin C, I take my zinc, try my best to do stuff, and I just kind of seem like I'm always fighting it. But I feel good now. Certainly better than the Mets do at this exact moment. I don't know if I feel as good as the Norwegian crowd at the game today.

[Don Hahn]

You just brought it up. They showed them again during the game. And I gotta say, listen, I'm no soccer fan. The World cup seems like I like the vibe. It's kind of cool, but it's just not something that I'm into yet. Maybe if the US Continues to win, that'll change a little bit for me. I do remember, you know, catching a little bit of it in 94 when it was first here, you know, back 30 plus years ago. But these crowds have fun, man. They just. They just do. And the Norwegians, they're just. I don't even know if they know where they are, if they know the rules of baseball. Because they're dancing when the Cubs are up. They're dancing when the Mets are up. They're dancing when the Mets score. They're dancing when the Cubs score. They're just happy to be out on a nice day, all with one thing in mind. Have fun and hope Norway wins. I love it. Because you don't. See, you don't do this in American sports, right? Like at the super bowl, you know, if I'm at a Ranger game or because the Super Bowl's in February, if you go to a Knick game or even a net game or an Islander game or a Devil game. When it was in New York, I didn't see a bunch of Bronco fans, you know, dancing at the Coliseum, right. Did you see a bunch of Seahawk fans, like, running around Barclays center during a net game?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's a great, it's a great take by you, Dunn.

[Don Hahn]

They just know to add a good time. Listen, I think, Listen, I love this country and I love being an American, as you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you'd also love being Canadian.

[Don Hahn]

I would love being Canadian too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But we don't know how to party like Europe parties and like the outside our boundaries party. We think we do. And then you take a look at this and that's just, that's next level, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So today, also speaking of World cup, we get to the. As we get to the third and final game in the first round of the round robin. Now we're at the time, Dom, where like at this moment, you finally have two games on simultaneously, where one entire group is in play and they have to play at the same time for the integrity of the games. So I like that your home country, Canada and Switzerland and Bosnia and Qatar all playing at the same time right now because that whole group is. You have Canada and Switzerland at 1. One win, one draw. And Bosnia and Qatar are both at zero wins, one draw, one loss. So the loser of Canada and Switzerland, if there's a loser, would be one win, one draw, one loss. The winner of Qatar, Bosnia, Herzgovina would be in the same spot. Now, for example, though, Don, Canada and Switzerland could both play for a tie and both would be fine because. Because the other two teams in the group both have a loss, right? And the top two advance. And then this is where they made it. Yo, yo. Because they. Because it's America and we had to ensure America would be safe.

[Don Hahn]

The.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The best eight of the third place teams also go. So it's. It's kind of wacky in that way to figure out exactly who's who. But that's what we have happening right now as you speak. And we know that Team USA will play their round of 32 game one week from tonight at 8 o'.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what we know.

[Don Hahn]

All right, excellent. And that's when I think it'll be on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If they win, they have to win

[Don Hahn]

because this Turkey A game does not mean anything. And I'm not full of Turkey, but this is what they're called now, or they have been called and now people are finally paying attention to it. And then we'll see what the draw will be next Wednesday. And then it's on. And Then I think people will be paying attention and care. I think people care now, but I think it'll be more a part of our conversation on a daily basis if they're able to make some sort of a run. But where we start today is with Jazz Chisholm. Now, we talked about this yesterday about the lollipop game, and I think you had the take, Peter, and it wasn't a poor one. Like, are we really talking about lollipops? And I think people look at it and go, why is this a big deal? So what? All right, maybe he's the first person ever to do it. But you all. Washington had a toothpick, and we've seen chewing tobacco. We've seen bubble gum. We've seen sunflower seeds. What the heck's the difference? And I told you, it's the relationship between Jazz and Aaron Boone. Because Aaron Boone does not usually go after a player and say, that pissed me off. He doesn't do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very rarely.

[Don Hahn]

Very rarely does he go after a player. He went after Jazz, all right? He was asked about it, and I still believe he was a little ticked off that he didn't know. But once it came to his attention, he said it pissed him off. So now we fast forward to the game yesterday, and Jazz. It's a home run in the 43 win against the Tigers. And then he mentions the lollipop, and he grabs a barrel full of lollipops, and he shows it to the camera. And the first thing that came to my mind, Peter, is on a day where your manager said he was pissed off, there's lollipops in the dugout that he can just grab and show. He didn't pull it out of a coat. He didn't take a towel. He didn't run back into the clubhouse and then bring it back in.

[Caller/Guest]

He was there.

[Don Hahn]

It was sitting there with the sunflower seeds and all the stuff that's sitting in the back of the dugout. Now, what kind of message does that send to Aaron Boone, who went on record and said, that pissed me off, said he talked to Jazz about it. Doesn't that neuter the manager? Now, Aaron said it was no big deal. Well, how. How could he say it's a big deal? Was he gonna continue the narrative that I. That I don't like this guy, that I have no control over this guy? Or does he have to lean into the skin, say, nah, it's no big deal, because he realized he's powerless to stop it. And remember, Brian Cashman acquired Jazz and One of the reasons he said he did was he wanted to add a little personality to the team that they need to wake things up. This is all the same time they decided to allow beards and be a little bit more lenient with the way the players can express themselves. So am I creating a conspiracy theory that maybe Boone was told, you got to get on board with this, man. This is. This is what we want. Don't be pissed off at it. But I just found it funny that the manager says pissed off about it, and that's the way you react to it.

[Caller/Guest]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

That was the talking to. Sounded more like the talking to was Jazz saying, tough.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm put up.

[Don Hahn]

I'm gonna be me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, here's the only part I would clarify on. Okay or disagree, whatever. I don't think that them being in the dugout means anything, because they're probably always in the dugout. The thing that means something is that he went out in the field eating one. And the thing that means something, then afterwards. And yes, I can't believe it sounds ridiculous again, even though it is a conversation, but it sounds ridiculous. But to me, Don, it was the picking up the thing of lollipops and shaking it at the camera. Who else is that message to? Yeah, no, I mean, the fan base wasn't erupting in anger about the lollipop.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, I would say that there were people that like the Yankee way, but I wouldn't say there was an uproar about it. We only brought it up because I was. Because of the fact that the manager actually went after a player. Boone never goes after players. That's. That was the story to me, not. I can't believe he disrespected the game. You're not supposed to do that. That's silly. I did hear people say, well, you know, you're losing the game. You go out there with a lollipop. Really? But I don't think there was a. People weren't gonna march on it. But you bring up a good point. It's probably already there. But again, when your manager says, maybe that's the day, it's not supposed to be there.

[Caller/Guest]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

And not mugging for the camera. So I just wonder, man, like, maybe it's nothing, and they're telling us that it's nothing, but I just feel. I always had the impression, listen, I love Aaron Boone. I like him a lot as a manager, and I think he's a really, really good guy. But we've always said that the Yankees do things organizationally And a nice way of saying that the strings are being pulled from above is, well, he's on board with all this. He has of, like, mind of Brian Cashman and the organization, but I don't. But I think the analytics have neutered him. And I think something like this just makes you feel like, is he really in charge? Aren't you supposed to respect the manager when he says that? Pisses me off. And at least cool the jets a little bit. And who is Jazz Chisholm? He's not Aaron Judge. If Aaron Judge does, it's like, all right, we got ourselves a squaring off here. The captain versus the manager. You know, when you had Reggie Jackson getting into it with Billy Martin at Fenway park, you know, 50 years ago. I'm sorry, Jazz is not that important of a player, right. That he can walk around and do that. And I. I just want to know what's going on here. I feel this is more than just a cute little moment that kind of got away from him. I feel there's an underlining thing here. Am I. Am I exaggerating it? Am I too conspiracy theory on this, or am I onto something here?

[Peter Rosenberg]

For me, it's. That is the whole story like that. The story is the fact that is the fact that Boone actually said, I'm pissed off. There are fans out there. And again, it pains me to do this a bit because I really like Boone, think he's a lovely man and a pretty damn good manager. But there have been fans out there, like, counting down the moments, Don. For Boone to sort of take a stand in a big moment and say, you know what? Enough's enough. And for it to happen over the lollipop is just. It's wacky.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

It's odd.

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[Don Hahn]

I guess we'll start on I guess. Jazz on the satisfaction of a hitting home run after fans were jeering him.

[Jazz Chisholm]

I like when they get on me a little bit. Where's my lollipop? Yeah, they're screaming it during the at bat. Like, where's the lollipop at? I think I got.02 early in the at bat, and they started screaming like,

[Caller/Guest]

you gonna get a lollipop or what?

All right.

[Don Hahn]

On Boone saying he can have all the lollipops.

[Jazz Chisholm]

That's funny. It is yesterday. I'm joking. I'm joking. But no, we. We talked a little bit, but it wasn't nothing like crazy, you know, just safety hazards.

[Don Hahn]

All right, explanation on the lollipop.

[Jazz Chisholm]

So the reason why it took so long is because I was trying to bite through it, but my teeth was not letting me get through it. It was like a brand new lollipop. So I was trying to bite, bite, bite, bite, bite. And, like, by the time I got to the spot to bite it all off, I was already on tv. So it's too late now.

[Don Hahn]

Is it a bad look to have a lollipop on the field? I'll just say I don't think it's a bad look.

[Jazz Chisholm]

I mean, I'm playing a game, a kid's game, having fun, so I don't think it's a bad look. I just feel like safety issues.

[Don Hahn]

What do you think, Peter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Again, the weirdest part to me is the way he talked about Boone, because Boone clearly didn't sound like he thought it was funny. I know this all makes us sound like. I don't know if you feel this way. Don't. I feel a little gross doing it because we feel like the ish, stirring, you know, sports talk. Yo. Yos who are, like, trying to create a problem. We're really not. Yes. Yes. We're now a full week plus removed from the Knicks winning the title, and we're in the dog days of summer, no question. But it is odd. It's a weird thing. You just have this manager who never gets that aggressive. He gets that aggressive and the players laughing it off. It is weird.

[Don Hahn]

Well, here's Boone on Chisholm's big night.

[Aaron Boone]

Yeah, the lollipop kid came through tonight in a big way. So that was good. He can have all the lollipops he wants now. So we're good.

[Don Hahn]

And on Chisum's ability to respond, all of that.

[Aaron Boone]

Yes, yes. And people were riding them actually before the home run, you know, some people right around the on deck circle were, you know, just sucker this, lollipop that. So I know he got a lot of satisfaction out of hitting.

[Don Hahn]

Do you think that fuels him a little bit when he hears a little

[Aaron Boone]

bit of stuff like that?

[Don Hahn]

Whether it be that or something else from opposing crowds?

[Aaron Boone]

Yeah, I think everything fuels him. Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Now, Boone's former player, former media member, worked at espn, did Sunday Night Baseball and he is in his ninth year as manager of the New York Yankees. He is not someone that messes up and spill something to the media that he doesn't want. This is not some young guy who said it pissed me off and was in a weak moment. When Aaron Boone told John Boy on talking Yankees, it pissed me off. He wanted people to know that it pissed him off. Agreed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would think so.

[Caller/Guest]

Alright.

[Don Hahn]

And now the next day he's all on board. Now maybe it's just as simple as, hey, we were losing the game against Detroit and that bothered me. And then we won the next day and he's the reason we won, so all's forgiven. I guess that can be a take that I'll listen to. But he made it a point to say that pissed me off. And now the next day it's no issue. Jazz is shoving the lollipops in the camera. Everybody's laughing about, he's the lollipop kid. Have as many as you want. I don't buy it, man. I don't buy it. I don't buy this complete turnaround. If Boone is a kid manager, first year in New York, hey slipped up saying it pissed me off. Really didn't. I think he's smart enough to know he wanted to tell the world that it pissed him off. And now all of a sudden he's on board is just simply because they won the game and he had a home run. How do you. How does an emotional guy like Aaron Boone, who gets thrown out of games because of the strike zone, you know, calling his hitter savages. And now he goes from pissed off to, well, everything's great. I don't have any information. I have no contacts. My biggest contact with the Yankee is yours, Peter. Michael. It feels like somebody said, hey, Aaron, get on board. Here's it. Here's a chance for you, Aaron, to not be that guy.

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[Don Hahn]

Let the guy play. Let Jazz be Jazz. This is what we want. People have always complained we're too corporate, we don't have any fun. We went on and got Jazz. We want Jazz to be himself. I believe being around this business as long as I've been, it felt like somebody got an Aaron's ear. Get on board with this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's. It's hard for me. I would love anyone out there to present it a different way. Like what? How else is there another way to see it? It's just. Or maybe he was in a bad mood at the moment and now he doesn't care about it. You know, and they had a little. But like, yeah, I don't see it.

[Don Hahn]

Well, see, you bring up something interesting and say that we're all human. Like, there are things that I've done that I look back at the next day after thinking about it, after sleeping on it, talking to wife about it, and go, yeah, I'd like to have that moment back. We've all been through that. But I just think Boone is savvy enough to know what to say and what not to say. And knowing that with the Knicks season being over and there's a lot of attention on the Yankees. So listen, we'll be honest, there's not a lot going on. The Mets are playing. It was kind of an uneventful draft. You know, the Knicks traded a pick. We knew they were going to do that. The Nets, you know, drafted their players. You know, we'll see what that ends up being. At the end of the day, you were a ways away from football. Like, there's going to be a lot of attention on the Yankees. And that is a huge podcast that those guys at John Boyd have. The fact that they get a weekly with Aaron Boone as a coup. We had them, so we understood the importance and the audience that Aaron Boone brings when he speaks, because he's the Yankee manager, and nine years as the manager, he doesn't say that without knowing the ramifications, the shockwaves that's going to send around Yankee nation. Just that's the way it is. Or Yankee universe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because if there weren't those ramifications, he would express that more often than being pissed off.

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[Don Hahn]

Exactly. There's a reason why he supports his players is because he knows if he doesn't support his players, it creates something. Because the Yankees are humongous and there's a lot of attention on Them. So that's why I don't buy into. It was just an emotional. I shouldn't have said that, or it was exaggerated or whatever. I was ticked off at the moment, but now I'm not. I thought he was sending a message, and now he's. I think he's received a message from the team saying, nat, you shouldn't have said that. Get on board. And Jazz is just the kind of guy that's going to give. You give him an inch, he's going to take a mile. I just think, how would you feel, Peter, if, you know, if you discipline Maya when she gets older, and then all of a sudden she goes and just does the exact same thing the next day, and it's like, I don't have any power. I told her not to do that. And the next day she goes out and does it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It actually sounds a lot like what trying to discipline her now at 17 months is like, well, yeah, because she doesn't get it. You can't do anything. She just does it again. And you go, okay. That's generally what Boone is like. You know when Maya the other day at the beach house, she's standing up on a little table, and I just pull her down, and she goes right back up. And I say, no, no, no, and I pull her down, and she goes right back up. That's generally what it's like. And then you know what happens, Don? This does not happen often, but if she does something that we worry is actually pressing and dangerous, it's a, hey, Maya. And then you know what happens? And in this case, if we got serious and instead of her crying, she looked back and said, how about you do it? No, I'm going to do what I feel like. You thought you'd get a certain reaction from him saying something. Donna got the exact opposite, right.

[Don Hahn]

This is Maya jumping on the table, and you're going, go, Maya. Go, Maya.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like all of a sudden, you went from disciplining to, you know what? I can't do anything about this, so I might as well just get on board. And that. That's not good. And, you know, we already wonder how much power these managers have now, and the players having all the control, it's all over the place. I mean, I get that there was a time where the players had zero power, and that was wrong. And now it feels like most of these teams are just so afraid that they're going to tick the players off and the players have power. You know, we saw what Brady Tkachuk in Ottawa. They could demand trades. They could. They could will their way out of an organization to another organization. Like, so sometimes just wonder if these managers just cave and they're so supportive. Not because they want to be supportive. They have to be supportive because the second you're not, that player might be like, I don't want to be here. It's almost like they're children. I'll go someplace where I can win. I'm going to go someplace where the manager or the head coach is going to be all up in my business. And I don't. I don't think that's conducive to winning. I think there has to be. I think there has to be a ladder of power. You know, nobody's saying that you've got to be disrespectful to these players. And I do think you need to tread lightly. But I do think there has to be moments when a manager is upset with something a player did. A very unique situation like going to lollipop, and they can't even do anything about it. It's odd, and it's certainly not the Yankee way, but it feels like the Yankees are trying to change their way because I think they're leaning into, hey, we got to have to do something here. Because these players aren't going to want to come here unless they can have a certain amount of control, a certain amount of power.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Want to get your reaction to what's going on in the world of sports? 1-800-919-3776. We go to Edwin in Middletown. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, man?

[Caller/Guest]

Hey, Don. How's it going? Next up. I was talking to your counterpart. I was saying we should let go of the lollipop. Talk like it's. It's been two days of talking about this lollipop. Not that big of a deal. And I'm saying we, you and Rosenberg should worry about the Mets. Talk about the Mets?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why? That is not interesting. The Mets are not interesting. Let's be honest. The lollipops. More interesting.

[Don Hahn]

What's more interesting?

[Caller/Guest]

What's interesting about a guy?

You don't think.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't think the. You Be honest. Be honest. Neither Don nor I freaked out and played holier than thou talk show host about the lollipop. Both of us felt it's kind of whatever. But you don't think Boone saying, quote, I'm pissed off, and then Jazz holding the box of lollipops to the camera. You think that's absolutely nothing.

[Caller/Guest]

Yes, I do.

Because obviously him holding the box of lollipops the day after, it was a nothing burger.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay?

[Caller/Guest]

It's nothing. I feel like you guys are now reaching because there's nothing else to talk about.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, Edwin, you know what? I got a program director, and you're not qualified to be one. So thanks for the phone call. Doesn't bother you? It didn't bother me or Peter either. If you listen to the show, we never rip Jazz for. It's not my cup of tea, but I've learned to not really be overly critical of what players do anymore, because then I just sound like the old

[Aaron Boone]

man on the lawn.

[Don Hahn]

And I don't get it. The manager of your team said he was pissed off. So right there, if he's the one that seemed to care about it, then all of a sudden, he didn't care about it. I found that curious. Plus, Edwin, the Mets are playing. So to talk about the Mets while the Mets are actually playing. Now it's 103 and the game's over. So I think there's an audience there. But. But I'll talk about what we decide to talk about when we have our meeting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, but it's also. My part is this. It's just about what's interesting. It is interesting. Interesting that he really got vocal and annoyed about something. That alone. If it had been. If it had been anything a player did, we'd be like, wow,

[Don Hahn]

I appreciate you, Peter, jumping on him right away. But that would. That was for me. That was for me because I'm a Met fan. So I should be worried about the Mets and not worried about the Yankees.

[Producer/Host Assistant]

I'm sorry.

[Don Hahn]

I do a talk show in New York. I don't have the luxury of just talking about the things that I'm interested in. Talk about the teams that I root for. I'll just do a show about the Mets, the Devils, the Giants, and. Or Peter will do a show about wrestling and soccer and the. The Celtics and the Commanders. Well, then we'd be out of jobs in five minutes. All right, so I. Believe me, I got the Met game on. We'll talk about the Mets. But that was a shot at me. Like, Met boy.

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[Don Hahn]

You know, keep. Keep the Yankees out of your mouth. Listen, I'm sure there's some radio stations and there's some talk shows that they just do the show for them. I try to do a show for an actual audience. And guess what? Yankees have a humongous audience. And if you don't care about it, phone call. But I just found it interesting that the manager was pissed off one minute, now completely on board the next. You're not remotely curious why? Or they won the game and you don't care. All right, fine. You would be a hell of a program director. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come on, buddy. I googled. What are the times Aaron Boone has been most angry as Yankee manager. Savage is in the box, right? Ejected in 2019.

[Caller/Guest]

Defending his players.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's defending his players, right? A podium slam.

[Caller/Guest]

Oh, that was the big losing streak where they couldn't win a damn game right in front of us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. They lost to the Blue jays. They dropped to 414 in August of 2022.

[Caller/Guest]

Is that good?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He snapped at the presser and his voice rose as he declared the team needed to play better. The overall team member. All just the team in 2025. He lost his temper during a fiery press conference. Defending the team. Right when pushed about the team's attitude, he shot back, I don't care what you want. Fiercely defending his players. Preparation. And the last one listed on a lighter but notably exasperated note, Boone publicly vented on the Talking Yanks podcast after discovering jazz Chisholm played a half inning with a lollipop in his mouth. So it's in the conversation, guys. Most annoyed he's been.

[Don Hahn]

And the biggest. The most intriguing thing is it's the one rare time he didn't publicly support a player, and now all of a sudden, he did. So I just found it interesting. You don't. Great, Great. Ace in Brooklyn. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Ace.

[Caller/Guest]

Because I went to south last. Last week and it was everything I wanted for my birthday. It was an amazing celebration. That was the first time I got to chill with you guys at one of your events. I got a moment with Han. I got a moment with Peter. Don, I did not know your last name started with an L. This whole time I thought it started with an M and I just felt like an idiot. But you guys are all great. You're my favorite show on espn and keep up the great work.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hold on a second. Well, you thought. You thought his name was Don McGregor.

[Caller/Guest]

Yes, yes, I. And I've been listening for almost 10 years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you can't. It's impossible.

[Don Hahn]

Hey, listen, I love the compliments and the roses you threw at our feet just before, but I can understand. I can understand thinking my name was Dom. A lot of people have confused that. But McGregor,

[Caller/Guest]

when I seen the sign on the podium, I lost it. I thought I was so dumb, man. And I told my brother, he was like, how could you not know that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was gonna say, I'm glad you shared this with other people.

[Jazz Chisholm]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And so. And other people were able to go, what the hell are you talking about?

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what, Ace? It takes a big man to do this. I respect the hell out of this call.

[Don Hahn]

I really thought he was going to say, I thought your name was Dom. A lot of people. I can't. Asa. I'm trying to figure out what. I don't really listen to myself. Say my name. I've been saying it for 58 years or since I had the ability to speak. When did it ever sound like McGregor? Don Legreca. Don Legreco. There's no M anywhere now.

[Caller/Guest]

There was our old who's now retired

[Don Hahn]

World cup correspondent Dominic McGregor.

[Caller/Guest]

That maybe he meant. Maybe he thought that was you.

[Don Hahn]

There are a lot. Maybe it is the way I say it, Peter, because sometimes I take it for granted. You say your name so many times and it just sounds familiar to you. But now that I think about it, there have been People, like, if I'm on the phone, like, and I'm doing something, making a doctor's appointment and say, oh, so what's your last name? I'll say Legreco McGregor. No, Lagrega La. Capital G, R, E, C. Okay, so is it that, like, did people think my name was Don McGregor, like, not paying attention to the law? I'm at a loss, man. And let's face it, I didn't want to. I should have brought it up to him because I don't want to talk behind the guy's back. I think he partakes. And as somebody that does not partake, I don't know how it affects your ability to hear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've never experienced in my days when I did partake more. I don't recall hearing letters differently, you know?

[Don Hahn]

And again, we're not judging because we think our. We are the show of high.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, when I was a kid, as you know, Don, I thought the word must have been spatula or not spatula. So there's times like that you have weird moments.

[Don Hahn]

You know how deep into my life, I think I told you the story that I said supposedly. Oh, I remember bees in now, listen. And it took you and Michael to get me off the whole circumstance and to do succumb like I should.

[Caller/Guest]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

It was. The English people said that this is one of our great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

He really. He put the star in porn star.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

A lot of places. But he did put the star in porn star.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Devin in Westchester. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Devin?

[Caller/Guest]

I'm Pete. How you doing? My take on the whole, you know, Jazz Chisholm and Aaron Boone. Just looking at it from outside perspective, if Boone would have came out and said, yeah, I'm pissed off because it's a disrespect to the game, then I could see what Jazz did was a total disrespect to Boone. But as a safety concern, I don't think it's that big of a deal for me. And then also, Jazz, I know yesterday I was listening, he got. He was getting pretty killed on the radio. I mean, not killed. It was like, kind of mixed feelings.

Yeah.

He was getting killed on social media. He was really getting killed on social media. Yeah.

And.

But, you know, today, nowadays, all of these players, they're connected to social media.

[Don Hahn]

I guess the question we have. And Edwin disagreed, but see how you feel. It's no big deal to you. But is it a big deal that it was a problem for Boone and then all of a sudden it wasn't a problem the next day, like to where he said I stuff to all of a sudden it's like, yeah, he's the lollipop kid. Like, it just seemed like a very weird 180 in a short period of time.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, absolutely. I get that. But I like, like, like I said earlier, I think it's what his take is. Is it is he's pissed off because it's a safety for the player or is he pissed off because it's a disrespect to the culture and the team? Because it's two different things, in my opinion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fair?

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, absolutely. But you know what? Then explain that like when he's on with John Boy, when he's on talking Yankees say, you know, it's not, it's, it's, it's not. It's. It's a hazard that really ticked me off. I don't need to lose another player already playing without Stan. They already playing without Judge. I don't need to lose my second baseman over a lollipop. He didn't say that. He said it really pissed me off. You know, of course, the safety hazard is the first thing that pops into your head and say that. I did not feel Peter, and I could be wrong. I didn't feel he was pissed off because it was a safety hazard. I think he was pissed off because he's an old school baseball guy, third generation baseball guy that didn't like in a loss that his second baseman was sucking on a little lollipop during the game. I think that's what bothered him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think so too. I'll throw one other thing out there, you know, because we tend to not think about things in a human way when these things come up.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. A lot of action here in the Bosnia Qatar game. Qatar now getting on the board. Two 1. We got a lot of goals, Don, if you're looking for goals. Nothing happened in the Canada Switzerland game but Bosnia Qatar getting in it. Is there a part, Don, that maybe he was just like in a mood? Like we've sort of seen him in a mood before during his talking Yanks interviews. Like he was just in a mood and they told him something he didn't know and he was like, that pisses me off. And then when him and we're completely getting it wrong. And when him and Jazz saw each other, they actually were way more laid back about it and it was kind of a goof.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I mean, that is possible. But I give Boone a little bit more credit because again, it's been nine years here. He has to realize how things can blow up and how things can be perceived. So he has experience.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To just have an error like that where I'm in a bad mood and

[Don Hahn]

I let it go, hey, the Yankees won the game. He's the reason they won the game. It goes away. But we both found it interesting for the same reason. This is a guy that will twist himself into a pretzel to support his players when the whole fan base will not support them. He supports them. This apparently was a line crossed and I found it interesting.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Caller/Guest]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

You know, I was, you know, joking around. Not joking around, but like, actually having a conversation about maybe the net should move back to New Jersey. And. But I do remember, like, it got so bad in New Jersey. I don't know if you remember this, Peter, where, like, they would have jersey giveaways. They get a replica jersey, and if they're playing the Lakers, it would be a net jersey, but you could reverse it into a Laker jersey, like they were leaning into. Like, yeah, you may not be here for the Nets. And if you're not, well, we can have something for you, too. So it got pretty bad in both sides of the aisle. A couple more calls to get to, and then much to Edwin's excitement, we'll change the subject at 4. Let's go to Austin in. He's uptown. You're on ESPN New York. Where in Uptown? Hey, guys, quiet.

[Caller/Guest]

Uptown is Harlem, okay?

[Don Hahn]

We'll say Harlem, man, be proud.

[Caller/Guest]

If you live in Harlem, you always say uptown.

[Don Hahn]

Is that true? I did not know.

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[Don Hahn]

All right, listen. That day, there's always room for education. Did you know that, Peter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that Harlem is uptown?

[Don Hahn]

No, I knew Harlem was uptown, but he said, when you're from Harlem, you refer to yourself as being from uptown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Uptown. Yeah. I mean, I'm certainly not. I didn't know it was a rule, but I had certainly done come. Although back in the day, you know, listen, there are people who will say, uptown is the Bronx to this day.

[Caller/Guest]

So.

So

where you go on the north downtown?

[Don Hahn]

Where you going? Oh, I listen, I love it. I love the vernacular of the song.

[Caller/Guest]

Guys love the show. I get why you're talking about blowpipe game. And I think, you know, the story's gotta be funny because it's so ridiculous. You know, it's like. Yeah, I don't think it's about him challenging the management is. He's. It's the dog days of summer. He's waiting for the playoffs. He's a gamer. And his mind as a gamer, he's got to get through this.

[Don Hahn]

Well, let me ask you this. Austin, is that the story? I think the story is the reaction from Boone. I think that's the story. I think that's why we're talking about it.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, Boone made it a story. Boone made his story. But, you know, I think, you know, it's like these guys at the top of the heap and how do they get through it? You know, how do you keep your edge, your focus to stay ready for the playoffs? And that's a, that's the kind of guy Jazz is.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I get. Well, Jazz is loose, right? And I don't mean that in a negative way. For the phone call. He's. No, he's, he's, he's not, he's not wound tight. He's, he's, he's loose. He's a guy that wears his heart on his sleeve. He's a guy that, that is going to just be, he's going to show his personality and he's kind of anti Yankee in that way because you've talked about it. Peter. The Yankees are always corporate, non fun. And sometimes the fun gets taken a little too far. Like I, I think it's again now, now the Mets are doing a spider man mask after a home run. I mean, why don't you just announce to the world you're a Yo yo. You're 11 games under.500.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why don't you just tell declare as yo yo declare yo yo.

[Caller/Guest]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

You know, and, but the Yankees were never like that. And now they brought Jazz in. And Jazz is somebody that's kind of a loose cannon in that way. And I feel like the Yankees wanted that. That's what Cashman said. And so when Boone said that pissed me off, maybe that worked against him in the face off with management, like, hey, we like Jazz. Does that leave him alone? And that to me kind of neuters the manager and maybe they found some peace. And at the end of the day, it is kind of like no biggie. But anytime manager who never calls out players calls out a player, did we

[Peter Rosenberg]

not think it was a big deal

[Don Hahn]

when Dable was screaming at Daniel Jones on the bench? Remember, like we made a big deal about that, right? Because it was odd to see a coach just ripping into his starting quarterback. When we see things that are off putting, we bring them up. And sometimes it's nothing. Maybe it is a nothing burger. And sometimes we'll look back and go, boy, I guess that was the beginning of the end. Maybe we should have paid a little bit more attention to that. All we do is observe. Let's Go to Rob in Florida. You're on ESPN New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, Rob.

[Caller/Guest]

What's up?

This is only my 2 cents about the show. I love everybody on the station. Let me tell you something. I personally believe that Boone got upset because if Jazz put in the beginning at the season and say he wants 1,550 steals, if you're not hitting, so why you? So why. So, like, why make yourself the distractions? Judges, outstanding.

[Don Hahn]

Christian's out.

[Caller/Guest]

Like, a lot of key players are, like, out. Like. Like yesterday he hit on one. So, like, maybe Boone said, okay, if, like, you are producing and doing stuff to help the team, then, like, Boone doesn't mind it. But if you're not doing and helping the team, then, like, why make yourself extra the distractions.

[Don Hahn]

No, Rob, it's a. It's a great point. Maybe it's just as simple as that, as, hey, that was during a loss. I don't know if that's when you're supposed to be doing it, but, hey, if you're gonna go out there and help us win a game and hit a home run, well, then, you know what? Then I guess it's okay. And. And you just said, like, you're not gonna side with him because he's a guy predicted he was gonna hit 50 home runs, and he's not gonna do that, and he's kind of underachieved offensively, you know, to the victor goes the spoils, right? Peter, if. You know, nobody's gonna care what you do if you're on your way to winning an mvp, but when you're underachieving, maybe that. Maybe you should kind of tone it down just a little bit.

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[Don Hahn]

Maybe things would have been different, Peter. Like, what if he did that and the Yankees had lost the game? Or that home run came in a moment where they were down 10 to 1. How would that have hit? Would.

[Caller/Guest]

Would.

[Producer/Host Assistant]

Would.

[Jazz Chisholm]

Boom.

[Don Hahn]

Have been on board then? Same thing, Just Jazz being Jazz.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, think about it.

[Don Hahn]

The result matters, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, what if. I mean, is there a world in which Jazz would have done something like that if. If he wasn't playing great and they weren't gonna win the game? I wouldn't think so, because that would be now. Now no one here is thinking that's a goof. They're down 7 2, and he goes and grabs the thing. He pops out, comes back pissed off, grabs the lollipops, and shoves them in the camera. I mean, it wouldn't play the same.

[Don Hahn]

I don't think so.

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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the

[Producer/Host Assistant]

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