Hour 1: The NY Market

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – “Hour 1: The NY Market”

ESPN New York | October 30, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the pressures of being an athlete in the New York market, with Alan Hahn, Don La Greca (calling in from the road), and Peter Rosenberg discussing how expectations, media scrutiny, and organizational leadership shape the success and struggles of local teams and their stars. The trio debates whether New York is uniquely challenging, how team decisions are impacted by the city’s relentless environment, and what it takes for quarterbacks and franchise players (from Daniel Jones to Knicks' stars) to thrive here. They intersperse insightful sports talk with personal stories, playful banter, and audience calls.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Updates and New York Weather

• Peter made a show of dedicating himself to be physically in the studio despite crazy rain—“It’s Ghostbusters outside. It is madness, but I’m here.” (00:22)
• Don is on the West Coast for work, finds malls and “Yard House” feel the same everywhere, even abroad—“You go to a mall...you’ll feel like you’re in any place USA, doesn’t matter where you are.” (02:47)
• Alan is remote to attend his daughter’s volleyball playoff—“I'm just not taking a snow day, but just doing a remote day so I could see her play perhaps for the last time as a high school volleyball player.” (01:40)

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2. Quarterbacks and the NY Market — The Daniel Jones Debate

The Setup

• Peter introduces the Daniel Jones discussion: Why do quarterbacks struggle to “make it” in New York? (06:17)
• Jason McCourty clip: Daniel Jones thriving with the Colts is contrasted against his NY tenure. (07:01)

Franchise Failure vs. Market Pressure

• Alan’s Take: Not about the market, but the Giants’ leadership failing Daniel Jones.

  • “From the day Dable showed up, Daniel Jones was treated like the redhead stepchild…You have you, but we don’t really want you…Success comes when opportunity and preparation meet. And that’s exactly what happened for Daniel Jones.” (08:36-10:38)

• Don’s Nuance: The NY “franchise pressure” sets everything on edge—even decisions about who plays or stays.

  • “Everything the Giants did with him is because it's New York. Is Dable all over him because he's feeling the dogs at the door?...You can’t have the slow burn other organizations can have.” (11:03-12:18)

• Peter: Suggests the real issue is how the coaches/GMs react to the market pressure: “Trickles down” organizationally. (13:10)

Notable Quote:

“It’s not, ‘I can’t handle New York and the pressure that New York gives us.’ It’s…how the organization handles Daniel Jones, the pressure to win from within because of where you are.”
— Don Hahn (11:25)

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3. Big Market Teams and Organizational Response to Pressure

• Don illustrates with Rangers/Devils: Rangers had to accelerate their rebuild due to media/fan urgency (“We’re on Broadway and we’ve got to take advantage of that” (13:15)).
• The group compares pressures on Giants, Yankees, Knicks, etc., versus franchises elsewhere (e.g., more patience for the Devils).
• Alan: Some athletes (Eli Manning, Jalen Brunson) are “vaults” unaffected by outside noise, but “some people, it just eats them alive and they can’t avoid the criticism.” (17:32-18:18)
  • “How do you find those guys? And do you pass up on a mega-talent because...he’ll never make it in this town? But then he goes somewhere else and he’s a legend.” (18:44)
• Notable Advice: Organization must both choose talent and create support structures—leadership must buffer the noise.

Don on Organizational Approach:

“Don’t listen to the fans, don’t listen to the media. Be stronger than that. Let them cry...We are going to be on our timetable. We’re going to do it the way we want to do it.” (19:12)

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4. Media, Fan Intensity, and the Back Page

Is NY’s Media More Brutal?

• Peter: Claims the back page/tabloid culture makes NYC uniquely hard for athletes.

  • “You could be in a really big market...but Monday morning you might have your face with a clever, obnoxious pun about how bad you suck on the back page of a paper on Monday.” (47:04)

• Alan Pushes Back: Asserts that Boston, Philly, Chicago all have tabloid culture, intense sports radio, hardcore coverage, and have still produced champion teams.

  • “Somehow (Boston teams) survived...WEII and all the madness and the callers and the frustration...You know why? They had good leadership.” (48:07-48:44)

• Don’s Counterpoint: New York’s “double teams” per sport create extra pressure—Yankees/Mets, Giants/Jets, etc. “More pressure to make sure that we don’t have our headlines stolen away from the other team.” (49:31-50:41)

  • “In New York, you have that...At the end of the day, they still own the town for that sport. Yankees own the town, for sure. But the Mets are a thing. They don’t want to get Mets better than them.” (49:37-50:41)
  • Alan challenges: having two teams may “dilute intensity,” Don insists it “adds to the pressure.”

Notable Exchange

Peter: “Is there a big tabloid in Boston?”
Alan: “Oh my goodness, yes...The Herald...”
Peter: “Does Philadelphia have a tablet?”
Alan: “The Inquirer. They have the Daily News!” (47:39-48:04)

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5. Calls and Listener Feedback

• Manny in Flushing: Says “playing in New York…is one of the toughest jobs in America”—details third-quarter Knicks woes and market expectations. (34:59-37:15)
• Show Hosts: Gently roast overly lengthy calls—“Let’s take your call, not your mission statement...You just can’t take the wheel and ride a few laps and drive us into a damn river embankment.” (37:27-38:11)
• Ian in Hoboken: Calls for axing Giants’ coach and GM, arguing the team is undisciplined; hosts note the need for a plan before making drastic changes. (38:55-41:30)

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6. Lighter Moments & Off-Topic Banter

• Brownies & Carlin’s Corner: Extended discussion about brownies left in the studio, food as bonding. (05:03-06:17)
• Kids’ Halloween costumes, family life: Light family chat, including embarrassing musical gaps from Rosenberg—“I didn’t grow up on [Credence Clearwater Revival]...” (27:46-28:47)
• Parenting and New York Metaphors:
  • “You’re a team in New York and the outside noise, like the media and the fans, are telling you to have another child quickly, and you’re like, ‘No, I’m not ready.’”
    — Don, tying Peter’s family choices to market pressure (34:07)

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7. The Issue of Leadership vs. Market Mystique

• Alan: “I think we take leadership off...and blame it on media and fans. It is about leadership.” (52:05)
• Don: Asserts it’s a combination, but emphasizes if organizations could “ignore the noise,” they’d succeed.
• Ongoing debate about whether NY “noise” truly derails teams, or if the real issue is poor decision-making by leadership.

Closing zinger:

“We walk into training camp going, ‘Wow, this could be a good team. How are we going to screw it up? Let’s ruin it.’...No, you don’t do that.”
— Alan, tongue-in-cheek on media blame (52:22)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:22 – Peter’s heroic drive through torrential NY rain
• 01:40 – Alan explains remote broadcast (daughter’s playoff game)
• 06:17 – Introduction to Daniel Jones/quarterback discussion
• 07:01 – Jason McCourty’s take on Daniel Jones’ Colts resurgence
• 08:36-10:38 – Alan’s argument: Giants failed Jones, not NY pressure itself
• 11:03-13:10 – Don on the pressure exerted by coaches/management due to NY urgency
• 13:15-14:16 – Rangers/Devils as case study for NY pressure vs. patience
• 17:32-18:44 – Alan: “How do you find those [immune to NY pressure] guys?”
• 47:04-48:44 – Peter vs. Alan on the “back page” as unique NY experience
• 49:31-50:41 – Don: Extra pressure from multiple teams in each NY sport
• 34:59-38:11 – Calls from Manny and hosts’ reaction
• 38:55-41:30 – Ian’s call: “blow it up” the Giants

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Memorable Quotes

• Alan Hahn (on Daniel Jones vs. Giants):

  “From the day Dable showed up, Daniel Jones was treated like the redhead stepchild…Success comes when opportunity and preparation meet.” (08:36-10:38)

• Don Hahn (organizational pressure):

  “There is a cloud that hangs over not all the New York franchises, but the big ones...where it’s just different. And the decisions that you make are because of where you are.” (12:18-14:16)

• Peter Rosenberg (back page culture):

  “You could be in a...market...but Monday morning you might have your face with a clever, obnoxious pun about how bad you suck on the back page.” (47:04)

• Don Hahn (multiple franchises):

  “There’s another team in every sport that’s also competing for the back page, also competing for relevancy...That makes New York even more unique.” (49:31-49:58)

• Alan Hahn (media doesn’t conspire):

  “We walk into training camp going, ‘Wow, this could be a good team. How are we going to screw it up? Let’s ruin it.’ No, you don’t do that.” (52:22)

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Episode Tone & Style

The tone is quintessentially New York: fast-moving, demanding, irreverent, but deeply informed. Banter, self-deprecation, inside references, and sometimes veering into playful bickering—while never losing sight of sports as a reflection of city culture. The hosts balance sharp analysis with relatable talk radio camaraderie.

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Conclusion

This lively installment of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg unpacks why winning in New York is so fraught, balancing theories about market pressure, management strategy, media culture, and the character of athletes themselves. The takeaway: the city’s expectations are sky-high and the scrutiny is real, but smart leadership and the right kind of player can withstand—and even thrive—in the hottest spotlight in sports.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

And have my kids bleed out because the Giant game's on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Otherwise I'm not a real fan.

[Alan Hahn]

What kind of fan are you?

[Don Hahn]

Not a good one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Rosenberg, the Peter haters who call stupid. The Peter fans who call very bright. This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Alan Hahn]

This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Caller Manny]

The best threesome I've ever heard on.

[Alan Hahn]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. Like you dream about. And for all the people who specifically, you know, guys, you know, we have a crowd out there who, who cares very deeply about who's in studio when. I hope they're all celebrating today that, that Rosenberg is in the studio alone and drove through an actual monsoon to be here. I hope everyone is Don. Cats and dogs. You don't know what's going on. You're across the country.

[Don Hahn]

I heard about that. It's, that's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is Ghostbusters outside.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It is madness, but I'm here. I hope everyone's happy and we're ready for a big day. How you doing, guys?

[Alan Hahn]

I'm good. There's a reason why I'm not there. And it's family related, but in a good way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I love that it's a good way.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I brag a lot about my kids because they, they are doing great things. And as I told you guys the other day when I was watching with one eye while, while also paying attention to the show with my other eye, I, I, I was trying to get as much of Gracie's first playoff game in through YouTube and I hated not being there. Well, they advanced as I told you guys, and they played tonight and it's right near my house and it's right after the show, like literally right after the show. And so I, I just, I asked if it would be okay if I could go see her play. I cannot see if they get advanced to the championship. I can't be there. The Knicks are playing that night. I'm calling the game. So I just. I thought, would it be all right if I just not take a snow day, but just do a remote day so I could get there and see her play perhaps for the last time as a high school volleyball player? So that's it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's beautiful. This is a beautiful thing. This is. This is a nice thing.

[Alan Hahn]

So go Friars. Let's win tonight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go Friars, baby. That's what I always say.

[Alan Hahn]

You always say that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. Don't you kidding me. And Don, how about you? How are you doing out there in. In. In San Jose?

[Don Hahn]

It's nice. It's a little overcast today, but it was like 60. Took a nice walk. There's a huge mall near the hotel. If you ever want to just feel like you're back home, go to a mall because you'll feel like you're in any place usa, doesn't matter where you are. Portland, Oregon, San Jose, California, Nebraska. You go to a mall. You walk past the Macy's, you're walking past the Bloomingdale's, you're walking back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can I tell you. Can I tell you what? You want to know the funniest thing about that?

[Don Hahn]

I might as well be in Paramus, New Jersey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, Don. But, Don. But here's the beauty of that. Here's the beauty, because the United States, you know, our number one export, respectfully, is selling crap. So you can now do this.

[Alan Hahn]

You.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You could be in France. You could be in. From what I've been told, and I guess I'll probably find out at the end of January, you could be in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, every mall in the world. I went to a Westfield shopping town in. In. In a Westfield shopping center in France this summer. And you're like, wait a second, am I in Paramus, New Jersey? Oh, no, this is France. So it is true. It will always take you right back.

[Don Hahn]

But it was cool last night because, you know, we wanted to watch the World Series. So there's a change. You and the crew called the. The yard. Yes, the yard. And I don't know if there's any in New York, but I know they're around the country.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not a yard today. It's not a yard house, is it?

[Don Hahn]

Yard house. I'm sorry. Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm one of the biggest. I am known as one of the biggest yard house guys in the business today.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's also a big yard house Wednesday.

[Don Hahn]

Place is packed for the World Series. And even though we're in Northern California here. There's quite a few Dodger fans, but it was a nice night out getting ready for devils and sharks tonight. And the trip will continue in LA over the weekend, but I'm ready.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, I'm glad that you guys are shot out of a cannon. We have a lot of things we're gonna get to. We're live on the old YouTube machine if it suits you. Come on over to the ESPN New York YouTube channel. Pound subscribe, mash the likes. What else do they do, Al?

[Alan Hahn]

Slam it, hammer it. You want to hammer it? We'll allow it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Whatever. Whatever it is. Slam it, hammer it, slammer it, do it all.

[Alan Hahn]

All of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, I do want you to know that Atlanta made brownies today.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm devastated.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I got to tell you, man, I, you know, and I had two. Because there were two trays of them and there was. When I got to the table, there were two left in the first tray and almost all. I think all but one in the second tray.

[Alan Hahn]

So I helped myself to describe for me, please.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, I will.

[Alan Hahn]

Give me a break. Give me a Carlin's Corner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, a Carlin's Corner example.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Carlin's Corner. No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, sorry. Sorry. No, sorry.

[Don Hahn]

Come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not right.

[Alan Hahn]

The guy's never gonna live this down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't have the drop ready, so.

[Don Hahn]

I had to act. Well, I think everywhere else he does.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This show, so I can't do the job Carlin does because he's an artist with the words. But they're very chocolatey, very chewy, kind of like a double chocolate situation. She included a vanilla icing sort of across half of each brownie. So each brownie almost has a slight vanilla shell to it. I mean, it's like you dream about. I mean, I don't want to make.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys feel bad. That's where I figured you were going to go next.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, this is. It's crazy. So, anyways, it's good times here in the old Good Karma studios here in lower Manhattan. But the conversation we were having before the show began was about the play of Daniel Jones. And with that, guys, there's a lot of different angles that. That leads to in terms of how. How you view the current Giants regime, certainly. And also a broader conversation of just recently. Why can't quarterbacks seem to get it right here in New York? And the conversation happened on Get Up Today, and let's hear from a few people. We'll start with Jason McCourty talking about the play of Daniel Jones.

[Jason McCourty]

The team is more than legit. They have so much talent. More importantly, they are well coached. Because you're seeing a version of Daniel Jones that we have never seen. Yes, he's played good at times, but it is a stark contrast between where he was a year ago with the Giants and where he is now with the Colts. And for me, it begs the question, why couldn't we get this out of him in day ball with the Giants? There is something to be said there because the way they're running this offense, how definitive, how confident Daniel Jones is playing. He knows where his outlet's going to be, when and where. And also he's playing horizontally. He's reading through progression. He's the version of Daniel Jones that you hope for when he was drafted top 10 in the first place. That should be taken into account. He is with coaching that is getting the most talent out. And it's not like Sam Darnold, where he's gone from this track to that track. He's had reps, he's had adversity. A year ago today, he was the Giant starting quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's an interesting distinction there.

[Alan Hahn]

That track, Don, you must have loved that. I mean, that.

[Don Hahn]

That wasn't bad.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I was waiting for Metallica to just start singing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I kind of dug the vibe there for Jason McCordon. He keeps that band with him.

[Alan Hahn]

But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I. Alan. I did think there was. That was an interesting distinction to point out because we, you know, it's easy to be lazy and throw Sam Darnold and. And Daniel Jones into the exact same conversation. But Sam Darnold is interesting because he's gone on a journey, like a sabbatical through, you know, multiple teams in Carolina and San Francisco and found his way to where he is now in Seattle. Whereas the Daniel Jones thing, it's apples to apples. He was. He was the New York quarterback last year. He is the Indy quarterback this year. And you just see such a gigantic difference.

[Alan Hahn]

The Daniel Jones part of it. I'm not buying the market thing here. This is a franchise failure. And I just feel like from the day Dable showed up, Daniel Jones was treated like the redhead stepchild. Like you, we have you, but we don't really want you. Right. Like, that's what it seemed like with him. And even with the success they had that first year, it was almost in spite of Daniel Jones. It was a struggle for Dable to credit him. And you never look, by the way, all you have to See is how Dable treats Dart like it's his, his own son, flesh and blood practically kisses him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, the first win, I, I thought he was just like when Aaron Rodgers got tackled by one of his linemen. I mean, Dable absolutely lost it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. And, and again, I understand why. Because you were handpicked. You were the chosen one. So I get. I, I understand why Davel would care a little bit more, be a little more invested in Jackson Dart. But to say that Daniel Jones's success is because he got out of New York, I don't think it has anything to do with the market. It had to do with the franchise and what was going on around him. They failed him. The owner said it. They failed him. That's what that was. And to the, to the kid's credit, he went, he, you know, when they moved, when he moved on, when they traded him, he kind of like, you know, just got back to work. And when he found an opportunity to play, he was supposed to be the backup in Indianapolis. He wasn't supposed to be the starting quarterback, but he chose a good place to go because the starting quarterback there, Anthony Richardson, was a guy that A, could never stay healthy and B was. You weren't really sure if he was ready to be a starter. So he was in the right place and he was ready. And success comes when opportunity and preparation meet. And that's exactly what happened for Daniel Jones. He's always been ready to play this way. All he has now is support because he already had. Look, he's got Jonathan Taylor, a great running back who really is the centerpiece of the offense, and he had Saquon Barkley. So it's not as if, well, he didn't have the same tools in, in, in. In New York with the Giants. So what else could it be? I think it's simply that he doesn't feel like. When you talk about pressure, it's not media pressure, it's not fan pressure. It's the pressure that every mistake I make, I'm being pounded for it by the coach. He's blaming me outright all the time, and I think he just. For anybody, that's a difficult place to develop.

[Don Hahn]

Well, Alan, don't look at it as he succumbed to the pressure of New York. Maybe it's just a case of there's built in pressure because everything the Giants did with him is because it's New York. Is it? You know, is Dable all over him because he's feeling the dogs at the door?

[Alan Hahn]

So you're. He's feeling the flexure. Yeah. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

To win.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, because you go back to yesterday, we had the conversation about Carl Banks and his comments about Dexter Lawrence. That doesn't happen anywhere else in the NFL, anywhere. But it happens in New York because in New York, there's accountability. And the media is tough because the fans are tough. All right? So it's not, I can't handle New York and the pressure that New York gives us. It's everything. How the organization handles Daniel Jones, the pressure to win from within because of where you are. You can't have the slow burn that you other organizations can have. Right. They. They felt the pressure right away. What do we do? Do we keep Daniel Jones? Do we not keep Daniel Jones? You know, because I didn't draft him, but we don't have another quarterback. We gotta win now. We gotta feed off one what we did in 2022, otherwise everybody's going to think we're a failure. There is a cloud that hangs over not all the New York franchises, but the big ones, you know, Yankees, Giants, Knicks, Mets, Jets, Rangers, to a certain extent, where it's just different. And the decisions that you make are because of where you are. And so did Daniel Jones fail because he's in New York? And the pressure of not being able to handle it, no. But did he have extra layers to go through? Did the organization apply more pressure to him? Because the name New York is before the Giants, where if we're in Minnesota, if we're in, you know, any other market.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you know what it sounds like.

[Don Hahn]

It'S handled completely different.

[Peter Rosenberg]

See what it sounds like to me, the question isn't so much about how affected the quarterbacks are by the market, it's how affected the coaches are by the market.

[Don Hahn]

The coaches, the general manager, the owner, everything. It's just different, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like it trickles down to the quarterback, but it's really running through the entire organization.

[Don Hahn]

We'll give you. I'll give you an example of something that's close to me, okay? The Rangers and the Devils. The Devils are where they are because you know what? They were bad for a few years. They could afford to be. They were in New Jersey, you know, they didn't have the same pressure, the same media pressure that the Rangers are under as an original six franchise playing in. In Manhattan. So the Rangers had to accelerate their rebuild. They couldn't afford, even after the letter, Allen, they couldn't afford to take two, three years off. So as soon as Panarin came available, bang, sign him. And now we're going to accelerate the rebuild because our pants fans pay more money and we're on Broadway and we've got to take advantage of that. Where other franchises be like, all right, you know what? We could be caught. We could be patient, you know, and not worry about the scrutiny of the media and the fans being all over us, even though they're in the same market. There's just looked at differently that the Rangers, when you're the Knicks, when you're the Yankees, when you're the Giants, you're under a different set of pressures and circumstances than I think, any other franchise in your respective sports.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll buy that there is. So it's basically, it's. It's a transfer of pressure onto the players because the Yankees have talked about the fact that they do put the work in on players they bring in and whether or not they're good under pressure. I was reading something that the Yankees did research on Sonny Gray. And Sonny Gray, where did he pitch? Was it like it was somewhere in the S.E.C. or it was. Or maybe the Big 12. It was like a Texas school. And he would. He would always get the Friday night game. Because the Friday night game, that's the big game. That's what everybody's there. It's a big crowd. It's like, that's the big game, the big pressure game, the big profile game. And he always got the ball for the Friday night game. And it's like, all right, this is a big game pitcher. But then he came to New York and he melted. So is it that the organizations don't do a good job? I don't want to say shielding the players from it, obviously, because it's almost impossible to do that. But there has to be. There has to be a way to do a better job with some of the players that come in here. Could you argue as we're doing that maybe is car town's feeling this right now, the New York thing?

[Don Hahn]

Well, there's a great example of that.

[Alan Hahn]

Because of what, what, what, you know, the. The Yanis stuff hanging over the franchise and also everybody staring at him like, you know, you're supposed to be great, just like Brunson. And if you don't live up to it four games in, everybody's gonna be on your case. You know, like, I. It is a real thing. I just. I could see it with Sam. He was very young. The jets were a disaster. They threw him right to the wolves. And, you know, like, he had to be great and he had good moments, and then he had bad moments. He was seeing ghosts. Like, he was an honest kid who realized this is a bad place to be honest. Right. And Zach Wilson never had a chance, A, because he wasn't good enough. But B, same reasons they didn't have a true backup quarter member. They didn't have a veteran backup for him at the very beginning. Like, that made no sense. He had no guidance whatsoever. It's so. To me, I still blame the franchises more than I blame the players.

[Don Hahn]

But you. The Knicks are a great example. The Knicks went from what, three years ago. Hey, can we have a good team to now you gotta win. Yeah, now we gotta win. We have to turn the corner here. We fired a coach because we're. He wasn't ready to win. He couldn't take us to the promised land. Now in like, five minutes, they go from rebuild to now. Championship or die. That doesn't happen everywhere. Happens in New York. And it's also happening for a team that hasn't won a championship since 1973. Yankees haven't won a championship since 2009. People are taken to the streets. There's a lot of other cities where they'd be thrilled that they can remember the last time their team won a championship. So, hey, it happens at Pittsburgh, too. They hate Tomlin. They're ready to blow that thing up because they had the audacity of not winning a playoff game in the decade, even though every year they finish above.500. Certain standards are set that you got to live up to. But I think no other place but New York, where it is on you, and there's no, hey, we'll give it another try. Hey, we'll give it another year. Let's see. There's that pressure that even players. Alan. That can handle it, that were in other places, in tough cities and tough circumstances, come here and it's, like, on steroids, and it's all over you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're just.

[Don Hahn]

Winning's not enough. Then what's Just being good's not enough?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, listen, what's the answer?

[Don Hahn]

That's the problem.

[Alan Hahn]

Like what? What's the answer?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You mean, how do you. How do you change it?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, think about it. How do you fix it if that's really the problem? And then how does a. Or is it as simple as a guy like Jalen Brunson, you have to have. Because I thought Daniel Jones, he was also ice water. They made all the comparisons to Eli because, you know, he wasn't very emotional. He had the same faces and stuff. But Eli, as you know, Eli was a vault like you could. He was impenetrable. It didn't matter what. He didn't care what you said about him. In fact, as we're learning now, he loves to make fun of himself. So for him, he doesn't take it personal. It doesn't affect him. His ego and his confidence. Jalen Brunson's kind of the same way. Jalen Brunson just comes into the town. He knows what it's about, and he doesn't care. He doesn't care like your criticism. He just looks at it just like whatever that's you. Like, it doesn't affect him. Like some people, it just eats them alive and they can't stay. They can't avoid the criticism for whatever reason. So how do you find those guys then? And do you pass up on a mega talent? Because. Well, he's got rabbit ears, though, and he'll never make it in this town. But then he goes somewhere else and he's a legend. It's extremely difficult to figure this out if you're running it. Like, if I'm a general manager, I'm trying to get the best players possible, and now I've got to throw in the caveat of, well, you know, if he's. If he's very sensitive to criticism, he's going to have a hard time here. So we should pass on a generational talent because he won't make it here.

[Don Hahn]

Well, maybe it's just a question of the organization itself, like the Giants, for example, John Maris saying, don't worry about what's being said, worry about what I say. I will be the one to tell you how long it's going to take.

[Alan Hahn]

Easier said.

[Don Hahn]

Don't listen to the fans, don't listen to the media. Be stronger than that. Let them cry. Let them bitch and moan. We are going to be on our timetable. We're going to do it the way we want to do it. And that's easier said than done. But that or put a support system like they did with Eli. They put a support system around Eli, right? Shock, he's a problem. He's gone. They lucked out. Tiki Barber retired because apparently Tiki wasn't a big fan of Eli. He retired, allowed him to grow. Make sure, you know, I got Imani Tumor there. I got Michael Strahan there. I've got a coach that's been around, that coached in a couple of championship games, that won a Super bowl as an assistant. So make sure that when you've got young guys that you're not sure about. You put a good support, support system around them. You build around finding the right guy, but also as that right guy is maturing, making sure there's leadership around him and an organization that could black out the noise. Like I said, the Rangers put out a letter, but then all of a sudden, if they got. They got crazy and they wanted to take advantage and jump in and accelerate the rebuild. Do be on your own timeline and take the slings and arrows. Right? Is that. Can you do that as an organization?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, in the case of the jets, you don't have a choice because what you've tried to do in the last 15 years has failed miserably. So the only thing you can do is stop worrying about accelerating. Like I always say, advance the cause. That's a franchise where you can't come in and try to advance the cause. What you have to do is, is. Is have the patient approach and make sure every decision is painstakingly the right one. Right. You can't worry about losing because how much more. Like, how. How bad can it get, right at this point, Everything you've been through, how much worse could it possibly get for the Jets? But everybody else, I just. I don't know if you could have that type of approach, because there is an urgency, especially if I'm an owner that spends as much as Steinbrenner spends, Dolan spends, a Cohen spends. Right. Like, think about the amount of the millions that they're spending and the luxury tax money that they're spending to try to field good teams. If I'm writing that check, I want results.

[Don Hahn]

That's. That's part of it, too. In other markets, they know there's going to be a budget, so their expectations might be curtailed because of that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fair.

[Don Hahn]

But when you're in New York and, you know, especially in baseball where there's no. There's no salary cap that. Well, money shouldn't be an issue. So a championship should be on the table for us where they can't think about that in Milwaukee because they know there's going to be a budget and they got to figure out a different way. So there's just a lot of circumstances that develop into it. And I keep thinking about. We complain about, again, no offense to NYC FC or the Liberty, but of the Big Four. We haven't had a championship in over a decade, and look how the scrutiny has changed over that decade with social media, with the pressure that is. It's always been tough, but it's even more beyond the media and the fans there's so many other things that come with that that it's probably no coincidence that we've gone this long without seeing a championship from those big four teams.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you have to remember the major four have double the teams. So you're talking about a ton of teams that it adds up to to not have any championships during that time. You look at Los Angeles, for example, another city that has double teams across the major sports, but they got rings jingling and jangling, as Dom would say over the last several years.

[Don Hahn]

And I just wonder, Peter, and I think this is a really valid question because I don't necessarily know the answer. I think I do, but I don't know definitively if the Dodgers end up losing this series, are they going to get crushed by their media? Are they going to get crushed by their fans? Or are they going to be given. Hey, thanks for the ride, man. That was a great World Series last year. You went back to the World Series and there won't be that pressure or embarrassment that the Yankees faced last year when they failed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I mean I maintain this and we will continue this on the other side, but you know, Michael and I and Alan now is in the category two of guys who, who at some point wrote for a tabloid newspaper. And Michael was always very defensive. And I know that the sports section, for example, New York Post, does a tremendous job. That does not change the fact that they sell that paper with the back page. And Los Angeles and other markets may be big and they may have big sports pages, but they don't have back pages that say things like, for example, two weeks ago, worst loss ever in huge caps. That is a New York thing. And even though newspapers, Don, people aren't reading the op EDS the way they used to. They are seeing that when they walk past the newsstand. And it does make things tough.

[Alan Hahn]

Now guys, now wait, wait. Just to tease. No, I know where you're going here. I want to come back to combat what you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Okay?

[Alan Hahn]

Of course you do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't. What is this, Jacob?

[Alan Hahn]

What do you mean?

[Don Hahn]

Well, you don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't know what this is?

[Don Hahn]

Ccr. Which song? Stop the Rain.

[Alan Hahn]

You were just complaining about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was complaining about the rain?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I was complaining about the rain, but I didn't realize that I. That that meant we were gonna play Creedence Clearwater Revival.

[Alan Hahn]

Why not?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I mean, I'm totally fine with it. You know, I enjoy it as much the next guy. I don't really know CCR very well.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's your fault.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hold on. You don't need to attack because they're.

[Don Hahn]

They're a gem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't say anything. But why. I didn't say anything bad either. I liked it. It sounded nice.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's a shame.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't like his attitude.

[Don Hahn]

But this whole thing's a shame. Between this and. Do you know the Way to San Jose?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't know that one either. Well, these are just songs that are. That are tough to find a use in my life. I bought a. I bought a handful of Credence records before, but again, I didn't grow up on it. I didn't have an older brother listen to Credence. I didn't have parents who listened to Credence. I. It. No one in my school was listening to Credence. There was no rock. I didn't listen to the classic. I guess the classic rock station would have played some Credence, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Don Hahn]

It's a staple.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Welcome back to Don Hahn and Rosenberg on this. I mean, when I say rainy, it's insane. Natalie sent me a video.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, is it raining in New York?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's raining.

[Don Hahn]

A lot of rain.

[Alan Hahn]

Say. Never mind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it raining on Long Island?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Yeah, it's still. It's. It's. It's also raining leaves. Today was the. Oh, yeah, it's. This is a full autumn day. Today, Now.

[Don Hahn]

Are you over October?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you have a. Now do you have a full Halloween plan tomorrow? Alan, what's the situation?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Situation is I'll be doing our show and then Nick's Bulls in the studio at msg. So that's. That's it. So you'll be in space tomorrow? Yes. I don't get to do anything tomorrow. Really? That's fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, is it hard for you to miss Halloween?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, this is always this. This will be the first one that I flat out miss. And, you know, now. And now it's really important to them. You know, they got tons of stuff today, tons of stuff tomorrow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are they dressing up as?

[Don Hahn]

A she. She's. She made this up because it. She's a fairy, but she was able to get some things to make it look like a unicorn fairy. So she's a unicorn fairy. Two of her favorite things combined. And I don't know if you're familiar with the work of David Blow, Five nights at Freddy or something. Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Five nights at Freddy's a big, big one.

[Don Hahn]

Now, obviously, they're two young to see it, but he, for whatever reason, likes one of the characters, and he's dressed up as one of the characters. It's a dog. What? Exactly. I could send you the picture, though. It's cute.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I'm sorry that you're gonna end up missing.

[Don Hahn]

Nah, just things. But what are you gonna.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'll get a little FaceTime. What's the travel schedule tomorrow?

[Don Hahn]

We'll go to LA after the game tonight, and it'll be an off day tomorrow doing the show from the ESPN affiliate. I. I hope they locked that down. I didn't talk to John Hope. I went on knock on the door.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, oh, boy, this.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And. And then Saturday, game Sunday in Anaheim, and then I'm coming home Monday.

[Alan Hahn]

He's coming home.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I was gonna go to when he said, I hope they let me in. A little wings action.

[Alan Hahn]

Somebody's knocking at the door.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's Don.

[Alan Hahn]

Do me a favor.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Open the door, let him in.

[Don Hahn]

I've been told we're good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're good.

[Don Hahn]

We're all set.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, it's a good spot, man. You'll love it. You'll love it there.

[Don Hahn]

No, I. I was there the last time I was there under way different circumstances.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Was before calling game one of the Stanley Cup Final in 2014.

[Alan Hahn]

God.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, Ryan Ruko reaching out, saying, missing Halloween. So tough. Man, I feel for you. Isn't that a. What a mensch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What a great. What a Great guy.

[Alan Hahn]

We love rooks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ruko now into. Into baby number two land for Halloween. He's got two babies to dress up.

[Alan Hahn]

That's fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's Ryan's older? Ryan. Ryan's older kid is what, four?

[Don Hahn]

Is four already?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think four. I think she's four. Yeah. It's my guess. So hopefully everyone's got their. Their plans in order to.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, wait, what are you dressing up? My ass.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I'm glad you asked. She has a couple of costumes. Last weekend, we went to Laura's daughter's birthday. She was dressed up as Chucky. She had the whole good guys, you know, overalls with the shirt, but we didn't put the wig on her because we didn't think she'd. She'd be willing to do it. I would like to see the full outfit with the wig because I think. I think it needs the Chucky wig to fully work. But she was very cute. And then we also have a $101 Dalmatians thing going where Natalie has a Cruella Deville costume and she has Dalmatian costumes for Maya, me, and Bear.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Gonna need that photo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's what that's you're looking for.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. That's fantastic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. So we will. We will all be dalmatians tomorrow. That's the plan.

[Don Hahn]

I got confirmation. Evie's four. See?

[Peter Rosenberg]

See Ruko, who loves you, pal?

[Don Hahn]

Remy's four months, and that's a good. Be a witch and Remy is going to be Harry Potter.

[Alan Hahn]

Even better for is the right gap. Telling you right now, four is a solid.

[Don Hahn]

I was solid three and a half with David.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Perfect.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Alan was giving me this advice yesterday.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because he was saying to wait a little bit because a lot of people. A lot of people are like, starting to say the. Oh, time for another one. Time for another one. Time for. And I'm going to. We're not ready for another one.

[Alan Hahn]

I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're still. I mean, literally, Maya today was inches from full on crawling. Okay. She's like, right at the doorstep of full on crawling. She's figuring it out. We're going through all the things with her. I'm not ready to think about the prospect of bringing another human into the world.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I like, you want Maya to.

[Alan Hahn]

Have that time until she's old enough to then see a baby and think, oh, it's a doll. I can dress it up and have fun with it and appreciate the child rather than not want to attack, not want to punch well, not look at it like it's competition. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think it's a great piece of advice by. By Alan. I appreciated it.

[Don Hahn]

But you know what's happening here, Peter, go ahead. Is that you? You're a team in New York and the outside noise, like the media and the fans are telling you to have another child quickly, and you're like, no, I'm not ready.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But all of a sudden you start to hear the noise and something that you're not prepared to do and you're feeling it. That's the problem.

[Alan Hahn]

Look at Don bringing it back. Look at him grabbing the wheel and steering us right back on course with the calls that we have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what, though? But I got news for you.

[Alan Hahn]

He's the man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I got news for you, though, Maya. She ain't no Daniel Jones and she's not Sam Darnold. She's Jaden Daniels. Okay? She's rookie of the year.

[Alan Hahn]

She can handle it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She's got this. Okay? So this organization, we're going to pull this thing together and we're not going to hear the noise. We're just going to make our decision. Let's hear from the people who have many things to say about this exact situation we're discussing. We'll start things off with good old Manny and Flushing. What's up, Manny?

[Jason McCourty]

Hey.

[Caller Manny]

Hey, guys. How y' all doing?

[Don Hahn]

Good.

[Caller Manny]

Good. Guys, listen, look, first off, what you discussing this. But by the way, shout out to Han to your company MSG for getting Steve no back the number. Case breaks back a lot of memories in the early 2010 when he goes that discount copy sex house to turn out to hit. Talk to your company. Anyway. Yeah, I mean, listen, man, playing. Being a New York athlete is like the toughest in my. In one of my. I think it's one of the most toughest jobs in America. In America, in my first. In my opinion because they expect you to do. To do great. Because when you're on a bigger where you are an athlete in a bigger market like New York, L.A. philadelphia, Chicago, where I could put Boston or Miami. Miami. They expect you to do great. And it all supports for the town situation is like look like at the end of the day, I mean Tom's like, he's been Lee for 10 years. He's been going. He's been on trade rumors every. Almost every year dating back to his Minnesota days. And look, I. I know that he's disappointed that there's the rumors. I don't know allegedly. But is mentioning his head but it seems like, like he. I mean, I mean, I Remember a week ago that when he mentioned about how to adjust the offense, but it's just like, he has habits that he needs to. Needs to stop. Like, for example, with the. With the early. The lazy fouls earlier in the game, as well as not engaged in the defensive set. Because, like, if you watch those four games, in those last four games, the Knicks suck at the third quarter. I mean, even though they won the, like the first two games, but they always struggle the third. You have people in the third quarter. Response from Dominic, Mickey, 21. You had in. In Boston, that. That kid Gonzalez scoring, scoring on you in the third quarter in Miami. Miami. Powell was. Was hitting more free throws than field goals. And the third quarter, it was like, even though Giannis didn't play, that Giannis was Giannis, and there were other wolf players stepping up, I mean, the next game they're playing against Chicago. I think you're undefeated. You know, my biggest thing is, listen, the defense is okay in the first half, but the second half is.

[Alan Hahn]

Is like, oh, my God, hold on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry. That's my fault.

[Alan Hahn]

Anytime you want to play, though.

[Don Hahn]

Let'S have a conversation. Okay, people?

[Alan Hahn]

It was almost like he just had a. Had to get it all out. New candidate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is he in?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you know, does he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who's on the board right now?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that was a bad one. Dave in Westchester. Yeah, that was a bad one from Dave.

[Don Hahn]

It's just. People, let's have a conversation about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Shall we take.

[Don Hahn]

Let's take your call. Not your mission statement. All right, you got to have a little back and forth here, people. I loved a lot of what he was saying, but, you know, you just can't. You just can't take the wheel and ride a few laps and drive us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Into a damn river embankment.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, because people are going to tone it out. So just a couple of things. A little back and forth, and then we. We go. Our marriage.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How's your father? Let's keep it going.

[Alan Hahn]

You know. You know what I have, though, when I'm home, guys? You know what I do have? I do have the ability. You remember the old show from the 70s, don?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The gong.

[Don Hahn]

The Gong Show. All right.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, we could just. If it goes too long, we just hit the gong.

[Don Hahn]

Now, that was. That was a lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want to discourage you from calling back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just.

[Don Hahn]

Again, we're not holding press conferences with these calls, all right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you got a little back and forth.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

Even press conferences, they wait for the next question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, usually it's still a back and.

[Alan Hahn]

Forth in some way that was just on. He just needs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's try to get things right here with Ian and Hoboken. Hey, Ian.

[Caller Manny]

Hey. Hey guys. How are you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good. How you doing?

[Caller Manny]

Good. Good. So listen, I want to call and I'm talking about Joe Shane and Brian Dabel. I think that they are done. They should be done in New York. The team is completely undisciplined. The most penalized team, Joe Shane, his draft class. Not this year. Jackson dart was great. Abdul Carter is a sure shot pick. But the year before, all those players are completely unplayable. You have a good core right now with neighbors scatterboard dart. You got a good defense except for the corners and the linebackers. But you just. I think you gotta blow it up. You got to get rid of the coach and the GM and you got to make. You got to make better moves because this team is completely. They will lose it, It'll get ugly, it'll get even worse if they don't make any moves.

[Alan Hahn]

So not that I disagree entirely, but you always have to have a plan if you're going to make drastic changes like that, which of course that's on the table because there are no extensions that were given and they. It felt like that this was a make or break year. But I mean, you gotta have a plan. You can't clean house and then go. We're gonna now start a search, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because.

[Alan Hahn]

Because then it just. You could end up at zero. No, you could end up in a bad place. And you don't want to do that when you have a roster like this that has some really good young talent. I mean, the Giant roster, for all the concerns that fans might have. Joe Shane has. Has made mistakes. He's a young gm, they make them. But he's also put together a roster that's got some serious talent at very critical positions. And these are really good, young, talented players that he was able to assemble with a lot of high draft picks. I just don't know if I'm gonna clean house without a plan.

[Don Hahn]

I need a plan before I gotta start looking now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, you got to look.

[Don Hahn]

You get started and it's very difficult to do. I know it sounds unseemly that you're looking for replacements before you let those guys go, but you're right, you can't let them go and then begin the search. You've got to, whether it's informal or whatever, create a list. Who are people I want to talk to? Are they available? Would they be interested in this job. If I decide to make a change, you've got to have that meant you should always be doing it. Even when everything is in good shape. Assess always keep in mind. All right. Who else might be out there? Because you're gonna have to pounce immediately because other jobs are going to be opening up, other things are going to happen and you get can't get caught with your pants down here. And the last thing you want to do is let them go without a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh yeah, where's that game tonight? Is it in Baltimore? Gotta be Miami minus seven and a half for Baltimore on the road against the self. Same Dolphins who went into Atlanta and dog walked the Falcons last week?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, so show me something, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Three.

[Don Hahn]

Three. Right now.

[Alan Hahn]

Three.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You want me to throw three on the Dolphins right now?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, they started off the air when I, I asked Peter in his ears, anybody gonna pick the Thursday night game or you guys gonna be gone?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What did I say and what was my answer?

[Alan Hahn]

What's the game? Don asked what the spread was at. 8:15. So we're all having a great day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I knew the game.

[Don Hahn]

I had that going for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, exactly. It's new information for me. I have to think about this for a moment, but that's a, that's a big number. Seven and a half. I mean, listen, the Ravens covered easily with the great Jamal Tinsley or whatever the name of the quarter. Lindsey Hunter. Who's the, who's the quarterback again? Huntley.

[Don Hahn]

Tyler Huntley.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. Scoop Huntley.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you guys even have any appreciation for the two players I threw out there before?

[Alan Hahn]

Did you go Lindsey Hunter? The Detroit Pistons.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got Jamal Tinsley and Lindsey Hunter. Before we, before we got to current Raven Charger. Ram. He's a ram. So I will see if anyone wants to dip their toe in the water. There are a lot of fun games on the slate this week for the foosball. So there are some more interesting things now. Alan, are you going to finally pay off what you said earlier when we.

[Alan Hahn]

Talked about refresh what you said so I can push back so everybody knows where you were going with the whole newspaper backpage media thing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I was saying that when we talk about the things that make it hard here in New York.

[Alan Hahn]

Make it what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Challenging?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Such children.

[Alan Hahn]

What? That's him. I didn't do clarify.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just doing my job. Done.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just clarifying. Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, because well, listen, he is. He is a filth bag. So.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. I don't know where he's going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want him.

[Don Hahn]

He was being filthy. I think he was just, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Trying to do my job, bro.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys suck.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I was saying that it's challenging, I think, for an athlete to be in New York because you could be in a really big market where they love their teams, but they may not have a tabloid paper like the New York Post that is going to put out on Monday morning. When you play a rough game on Sunday, you might have your face with a clever, obnoxious pun about how bad you suck on the back page of a paper on Monday.

[Alan Hahn]

Correct.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I think that can be a deterrent for people wanting to play in New York. And you have a response to that?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Do they do this in Boston?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is there, is there a big tabloid in Boston?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh my goodness, yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the tabloid?

[Alan Hahn]

The Herald. The Herald, yeah, But the coverage in Boston, Sports talk radio in Boston. How about Philadelphia?

[Peter Rosenberg]

This Philadelphia have a tablet.

[Alan Hahn]

The Inquirer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that a. That's tablet? Probably.

[Alan Hahn]

They have the Daily News. No, Philadelphia does it too. Like we're acting like it's the only place in the world. Chicago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are any of these places Sports talk.

[Alan Hahn]

Radio, the major markets all have the same things that we have. All of them. They have sports talk radio. That is what, what is, what does it become today, as we talked about the other day? And it also has tabloid newspaper coverage and hardcore newspaper coverage and intensity of newspaper coverage. It has teams that are most in all these markets are like original franchises with high demand, with traditional fan bases. It's all the same. So you can't say it doesn't exist anywhere else. But somehow the Patriots won, the Red Sox won World Series, the Bruins Won a Stanley cup, the Celtics, won NBA championships. Somehow they survived. W E E I. And all the madness and the callers and. And the frustration and all of it. Somehow they survived. You know why? They had good leadership. All their franchises. Theo Epstein, I mean, how did he. How did he do it? He went to Chicago and did it again. Well, so you can't tell me that it's the coverage and how difficult it is to win in New York because the media is just too tough and the fan base is too demanding. Because I call. I can't say it. You know what I'm calling. Because it happens in Boston, it happens in Philly, and the Eagles just won two Super Bowls in the last X amount of years. Come on. Like. And Chicago. Stop it. Like it. This is not uncommon. It's just poor leadership.

[Don Hahn]

All right, But I do think there's an element that you're missing.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

Isolating that one particular headline and say it happens everywhere, so it doesn't mean anything. All right? You could. You could isolate any of the reasons, but when you put all the reasons in, plus add to the fact that there's another team in every sport that's also competing for the back page, also competing for relevancy. So the Red Sox don't have to worry about another baseball team. Right. The Bruins don't worry about another hockey team. Patriots don't have to worry about another football team. But in New York, you have that. All right? The Mets might not be the Yankees, but they still feel, hey, if the Mets are good and we're struggling, it becomes another element to it. The more now, more pressure to make sure that we don't have our headlines stolen away from the other team. Right. So that makes New York even more unique. The other place is, hey, you know, the Red Sox feel a tremendous amount of scrutiny, but they own the town. At the end of the day, they still own the town for that sport. Yankees own the town for sure. But the Mets are a thing. They don't want to get Mets better than them.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, you don't think having another team dilutes the intensity? When you're only one team, you would. 100% of the intensity, I think.

[Don Hahn]

I think. I think it adds. I think it adds to the pressure to win.

[Alan Hahn]

All right? I don't think so. No.

[Don Hahn]

Now, the Knicks don't experience it because.

[Alan Hahn]

Of the Nets, and the Yankees don't give a damn. The Giant. The Giant. You think the Giants worry about the Jets? I don't see that. The big brother franchises don't care Though it's the other ones though. You're right. They're the ones that are punching up trying to find. Giants may not care their way, but they don't care because the jets haven't.

[Don Hahn]

Made 15 consecutive years. But you don't, you don't.

[Alan Hahn]

They don't have to worry about it. They stink.

[Don Hahn]

You don't think within the John Ma realm, you know how much he cares about his team, that when the jets were going to back to back championship games and the Mets and the, and the Giants are missing the playoffs, you don't think that irked him even more?

[Alan Hahn]

Don, they won a Super bowl just two years prior and then they went back the next year. What are you worried about? Like. No, I don't think I, I'm telling you, I think it's the opposite. I think there's more intensity if there's only one team because it's everybody's attention. It's not. Well, we're split 60, 40 or 70, 30 or 80, 20, depending on what sport you want to talk about. I'm telling you, I think we take leadership off.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but don't you think when we.

[Alan Hahn]

Blame it on media and fans, it is about leadership?

[Don Hahn]

I disagree because. Well, no, that's part of it. Leadership. Because I just told you that if they just ignore the noise, they would probably be able to overcome it. So I agree with.

[Alan Hahn]

But where do you think the noise is coming from? From.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the noise comes from the.

[Alan Hahn]

We sit there and twist our mustache saying how can we destroy a season now? Is that what you think we do with the notepads? We walk there, we walk into training camp going, wow, this could be a good team. How are we going to screw it up? Let's ruin it. Let's, let's. How are we going to put this thing on fire? No, you don't do that. Things happen and you cover them and you say, my God, this is heading in the wrong direction. And it happens every year in New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers before you go.

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