Hour 1: The Yankee Standard

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 1: The Yankee Standard

Date: February 18, 2026
Host(s): Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Main Theme: The evolving standard and expectations for the New York Yankees, how legacy is measured, and whether that standard remains realistic or fair in the modern sports landscape.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into what it means to be a New York Yankee, focusing on the franchise's legendary championship standard and how it weighs on current players like Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton. The hosts debate whether the "Yankee standard" is now unrealistic, discuss fan expectations, and reflect on how Yankees’ history continues to shape the perception of success and greatness in the Bronx.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Yankee Legacy & Its Modern Impact

• Stanton and Judge’s Recent Comments:
  The discussion opens around recent public statements from Giancarlo Stanton and Aaron Judge, both of whom emphasized that being a Yankee is synonymous with being a champion.

• Stanton's Take on Legacy

  "The story’s still being written, but at the end of the day...the point of being a Yankee is being a champion. There’s always going to be a stain there [without a title], whether good or bad, great or okay times." – (Don quoting Stanton, 07:24)
  Don and Alan note that this internal pressure looks to re-ignite the pursuit of excellence within the clubhouse.

• Are Championship-Or-Bust Expectations Fair?

  • Don draws comparisons to NFL and NBA franchises (Cowboys, Patriots, Celtics) who haven’t always lived up to their old dynastic reputations but notes that the Yankees remain uniquely burdened by their history.

  • "We’re talking about a team that has won once in 25 years...you don’t say that [championship-or-bust] when you’re a Chief, because it’s recent...But the Yankees are in much better shape than those forever teams. But they’re not the Warriors, they’re not the Chiefs, they’re not the Eagles." (Don, 09:27)

• History as Burden vs. Motivation
  The hosts debate whether the constant comparison to past glories is counterproductive or if it instills a winning mentality.

  • Peter:

    "There was not enough in the clubhouse talk about it...there was always the typical stuff of, yeah, we’re trying to win...But to talk about it the way they’re talking about it is setting a tone. Not outside, inside. That pressure out there, we need it in here." (12:44)

  • Don pushes back, suggesting players shouldn’t feel overshadowed by "ghosts," but rather focus on the current team's talent:

    "Forget DiMaggio, forget Berra, forget Jeter. This team right now is good enough to win. Let’s go out and win. Forget the ghosts...That’s the past. That’s dead." (13:15)

Measuring Greatness: Rings vs. Talent

• Is Winning Required to Be an All-Time Yankee?
  The hosts examine how much winning a championship factors into legacy, especially for stars like Aaron Judge.

  • Don:

    "Derek Jeter, from a talent standpoint to me, is not in the same stratosphere as Judge. But every Yankee fan thinks he’s better because he has rings and Judge doesn’t. And I just keep thinking how unfair that stigma is..." (06:15–08:05)

  • Peter and Alan contend that within the Yankees, the connection to history—and to the literal monuments and ghosts—makes the standard different than other teams.

Fans’ Role in Sustaining This “Standard”

• Fan Callers Weigh In
  Several callers articulate the emotional investment of being a Yankees fan and the belief that wearing pinstripes comes with heightened obligations.

  • Al in the Bronx:

    "There’s a difference between going to the Hall of Fame as a Hall of Famer and going to the Hall of Fame with a ring as a Yankee...those guys have a different swag." (27:24)

• Double Standards and Tradition
  Don points out the inconsistency in how certain Yankees (e.g., Don Mattingly) are beloved without ever winning, but others are dismissed for the same.

  "It’s the right mental [for] Mattingly because he didn’t win, which is—I...the same fan base holds him in high regard and don’t beat him up because he didn’t win." (25:05)

Modern Difficulties & Changing Context

• Harder to Win Now

  • The group emphasizes how baseball's evolution (expansion, parity, playoff rounds) has made championships harder to come by, arguing the Yankee standard is rooted partly in an outdated era.

    "Don’t hold the Yankees to the standard of Mickey Mantle and Joe DiMaggio. That’s a joke. And even holding them to the standard of the four championships in five years..." (24:09)

• Moving the Goalposts

  • Alan and Peter feel that, fair or not, the franchise’s history sets a tone that still reverberates.

    "The brand does, no matter how long ago it was. This is one of the few brands in sports that feels like it’s a winning brand no matter how long it’s been." (24:21)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Difference Between Yankees & Other Franchises:

  "But at what point do we say that standard has changed? Never." – (Don & Alan, 30:54)

• On What Winning Means in Context:

  "This is about being in a fraternity that happens to have history to it. A historic fraternity that’s over 100 years old and has had a lot of success. And you’re trying just one. If I get one, I’m in, right?" – (Alan, 33:20)

• Nostalgia vs. Reality:

  "At what point do the fans just say, enough? ...Because I think you’re holding them to a standard that just does not—it can’t possibly live that." – (Don, 46:51)

• On Shifting Goalposts and Fan Enjoyment:

  "When the Yankees were winning 100 games and Judge is hitting 60 home runs and every Yankee fan’s complaining...Like, it’s almost like it’s no fun. You’re missing a lot of fun stuff, man." – (Don, 48:11)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Yankees Standard & Judge/Stanton Comments:
  04:46–16:50

• The Clubhouse Mentality vs. The Ghosts:
  12:44–16:50

• Legacy, Talent vs. Winning:
  17:01–20:33

• Historical Perspective & Comparing Eras:
  23:40–24:57

• Fan Calls - The Meaning of Championships:
  27:16–33:20

• Yankee Brand and Legacy Discussion:
  33:20–37:08

• Moving Forward: Modern Realities vs. The Old Standard:
  37:16–48:50

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Tone & Style

• Conversational, passionate, and at times contentious, the hosts balance humor and deep sports insight.
• Regularly personal, with anecdotes connecting both to their own histories and to broader sports lore.
• Heavy use of metaphors and comparisons across sports and eras to highlight contrasts.

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Conclusion

"The Yankee Standard" explores the complex expectations living inside the Yankees clubhouse and out in Yankee Nation. The hosts dissect whether legacy should be defined strictly by championship rings or whether the reality of the modern game demands a more nuanced perspective. Despite new realities in sports, the mythos and pressure of the pinstripes, as Don, Hahn, and Rosenberg agree, remains an inescapable—and for some, essential—part of being a New York Yankee.

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For anyone who hasn’t listened, this episode serves as both a history lesson and a live debate about what it really means to wear Yankee pinstripes, why that history matters, and how—despite it all—it still shapes the future of one of the most storied franchises in sports.

Transcript

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3 o' clock in the big city. Don Hahn in Rosenberg. We've got a full four a four full four hours of sports talk with you. And we've got another huge show. Monica McNutt is going to join us coming up at 4 o'.

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Clock.

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We'll talk to her because the season is going to get back underway on Thursday and the Knicks got the gauntlet to start their unofficial second half of the season. So we'll talk to Monica coming up at 4:00'. Clock. We got a list at 4:30.

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Oh, this is great.

[A]

And this was partially cultivated by myself and Alan and it's, it's not as daunting as last week. Like last week we climbed Mount Everest.

[C]

Yeah. This one, we just take a break.

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This one's, you know, it's a pretty steep hill. McFarland Avenue in Hawthorne. Well, I grew up In Hawthorne, N.J. there was one road was McFarland Avenue and you couldn't, you couldn't sleigh ride down it because it emptied out on the Golfo road, which was like a main artery that you just get yourself killed.

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You get killed.

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The back of your belly for a sleigh rod. This was one of those places, Peter, that if you parked on McFarland Avenue, you had to use your emergency brake. Right. It was just one of those unbelievable, you can't risk it crazy. So that's where I think it's like scaling McFarland Avenue in Hawthorne, New Jersey is what we're going to do with a list coming up. Is it sports related?

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No, no.

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Thank God. Something that matters and something at 6. We've got an ENN and yesterday's ENN was off the charts. So I can't wait for nothing like a good Wednesday.

[C]

Well, we'll have some Olympic updates and.

[A]

In the end, at least Allen, it's not soccer. Because we. If. If this was us, Sweden in soccer at the World Cup. We lose Peter. Yep. But you might lose Alan and I. Partially because at 3:10, Sweden and the United States are going to.

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No.

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You nuts? I know. It's only fair. Hold on, hold on.

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It would be the right thing for you to do.

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Listen, that's the better seat. You're not.

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Why is this the better seat?

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Because I am blue in my seat.

[C]

You don't have white orbit in Allen's seat.

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You can't sit there.

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Yeah. On a regular basis.

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Mm. This one day. I don't know.

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Yeah, you can watch it on your pooter. All right, then we don't have to.

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Move your peacock on my pooter.

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That's exactly right. My peacock. Your pooter. Call it a day. This is veered off the road.

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Let's go through this.

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We'll work it out. I'm going to be interested. What round is this?

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Oh boy.

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This would be considered the quarterfinal. Quarterfinals.

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We're in the elimination.

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Semifinals are Friday and then the gold medal game would be Sunday. Canada's already advanced to the semifinals with an overtime win.

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What a game. Crazy game.

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And then, you know, Suzuki scores to tie it. Six guys on the ice for Canada. The six guys celebrate. I mean, they made it obvious, but whatever. That's. That's the officials. And listen, we all want USA Canada, but USA's got a little held up their end of the bargain. It's a really good Swedish team. So this should be very 10. Sweden.

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Let's see.

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Love it. Finland.

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Oh, that's the other one in that movie.

[A]

So we've got. We've got lots to get into, but we're going to get. Alan and I are going to get riled up early. We did a lot of Yankees yesterday.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

With judges comments. And then, you know, Giancarlo Stan had some comments as well. And it's been something that's been bothering me for a long time.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

And I've brought it up quite a bit during the course of the several years working with Michael, dealing with Yankee fans who I, who I do love. I mean, growing up in North Jersey, I was surrounded by Yankee fans. My next door neighbor, Glenn Vetragowski, God rest his soul, passed away a while ago. Big Yankee fan. When you lived in North Jersey, you were in Yankee land. Just like I'm sure if you lived out on Long island. Like we're Allen. A lot of Met fans, but I grew up with a lot of Yankee fans. You know, in North Jersey, you hopped on 208 Route 4 across the George Washington Bridge, there was Yankee State, Yankee.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

So I dealt with Yankee fans my whole life. So even though I don't like the Yankees, didn't grow up a Yankee fan, I, I respect the organization. Working with Michael for a long time. I went out with my friend Sam last night. We broke bread over at the stage house. He's a huge Yankee fan. I was like, you know what? Working with Michael, I, I know way more Yankees than I do Mets. Got to know David Cohen. Got to know Paul o'. Neal. Got to know Alex Rodriguez. I performed a Black Sabbath song. Right. Fairies wear boots and Bertie Williams was playing guitar.

[C]

Oh, yeah, sure, I remember that.

[A]

I remember. Well, so I to say I'm a grown man. I'm a grown ass man.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

To just say I hate the. Stop it. I'm grown. I'm a grown up now. I don't root for them.

[C]

No.

[A]

But I have no hatred in my heart for them. How could you? But I still think that there's a standard that is getting to the point of ridiculousness. And it was reiterated earlier by Giancarlo Stan. Reflection on the legacy with the Yankees. His legacy, his with the New York Yankees. Remember he came here in. I guess it was. It was December of 2017. Set up the 2018 season. Coming off an MVP with the Marlins. I remember it Lee Mash and it was 50 homer. And I remember because I was in the. I was in the NICU with the kids at the time, listening to the show. And Peter and Michael were doing the show in the tradehow and it was like, it was like just when Alex Rodriguez came, it's like, it's not if we win, it's like how many championships we gonna win? We just got John Licarlo Stanton for a song.

[C]

Him and Judge together should have been Mantle and Maris.

[A]

And you remember.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Had a commercial that involved all of the people that were on. Yes. And Michael, like, walking. It was like slow motion, all the announcements. Oh, yeah. And then Michael going like that. Oh, yeah. You know, because everybody was feeling it. Doing the bull dance, feeling the flow and.

[C]

Right.

[A]

All hopped up on Mountain Dew.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

And we're still waiting for the championship. Although they did go to the World Series. And you can't blame Stanton because Stanton has raked in the postseason, no question. But it's reflection on the legacy with the New York Yankees. The story's still being written, but at the end of the day, from. If you look back from now, the point of being Yankees, being a champion. So if you really. There's always going to be a stain there. Without that, whether good or bad, great or okay times, there'll be something to.

[C]

The side if that's not completed.

[A]

And I understand, as a player, he's right, you know, that there's that legacy. And Allen is right to say and point out that Giancarlo is right because Judge is going to feel it way more than Stanton. But Stanton comes here, you know, goes over four with, like four strikeouts in his first game, and he gets booed unmercifully because you're supposed to hit a home run every time you come up. When you become a New York Yankee, you're supposed to win a bunch of titles. Judge hasn't won, can't be considered great. Derek Jeter, as far, like a talent standpoint to me, is not in the same stratosphere as Judge. But every Yankee fan thinks he's better because he have rings and Judge doesn't. And I just keep thinking how unfair that stigma is, though. It's what the fans demand. It's what the organization demands. It's what everybody demands because it's what George said a long time ago and a standard that it was created. But we're talking about a team that has won once in 25 years. If Dak Prescott were to say the same thing about the Cowboys, you'd be like, dak, you haven't won A championship since 96. Team has been a Super bowl in 30 years. What are you talking about? Where are them Cowboys, though? You know, even if Tatum said it about the Celtics and the Celtics won a couple of years ago and they've been really good. Yeah, but they're not winning at the Bill Russell clip. If Nick Suzuki said it with the Canadians, you'd be like, nick, you haven't won since 93 got 24 Cups, but none of them come after 1993. So the Yankees are in much better shape than those forever teams. But they're not the warriors, they're not the Chiefs, they're not the Eagles. Right, but, but here's the thing. You don't say that when you're a chief because it's recent. You don't say that as a warrior because it's recent.

[C]

You, the guys who come in, if you're going to the Chiefs and you're a well known player, you know what you're there for.

[A]

Yeah. If you got Mahomes and Mahomes leaves, it goes away.

[C]

No, no, but that's the point is though is we have one of the best guys in the league. Do the Yankees have one of the best guys in the league?

[A]

No, they do, but they haven't won with them yet. Right, but I'm saying that's the point though. The Chiefs were in a relevant franchise for the longest time. Patrick Mahomes wins them Super Bowls, they become winners. Right. The Patriots, nothing. They get Tom Brady, they win six Super Bowls. But there was nothing before that. And there's been nothing after that.

[C]

Oh no.

[A]

So it's only that time, like, you know, you really think that Drake may can walk around say, we're the Patriots, we're supposed to win. That all went away when Brady left. When Belichick left, it was gone. True.

[C]

Right. But that's not the point. I know you keep equating this to the history of the franchise, I get that. But it actually also has to do with the expectations that a great player puts on himself when he puts on pinstripes. That's a real, that's a real thing. Aaron Judge is one of the best players in the sport. When you're one of the best players in the sport, all you care about at that point is winning the ultimate prize, of course, because you have one of the MVPs. And Stanton, I think to his credit, is also amping up the volume on this, just like Judge did. As if to say, which I don't think has been said enough in the last couple of years, but it's sort of putting the pressure in the clubhouse, bringing back the pressure that had gone away. Because I don't think the same thing was there, man. I don't think you're. Because I think you're right. I think guys came in here and was always about the ghosts and it was never about right now. Okay? So I think what they're trying to do, because the franchise didn't make major changes and add stars to build a super team like they did in the 90s to win. So I've got the best player in the world on my team, and I was once an mvp. And we need to start talking. We need to start talking the talk. Because they don't do that enough.

[A]

I know, but I'm saying that's the expectation.

[C]

It's for now. This is not about ghosts.

[A]

I know, but it is because that. Because the pressure he feels being a Yankee is coming from the ghosts. Listen, Stan wants to win. Judge wants to win. Every athlete, their dream, whatever sport it is. When they're playing in the backyard, they're thinking about scoring the goal, hitting the home run, hitting the basket to win the championship. They all want to win the championship. But when you become a Yankee, you feel it from the fans, you feel it from the media. You're supposed to win.

[C]

You're a New York nation.

[A]

That is coming from the ghost. I know, but because having the best player doesn't always equate to winning. Mike Trout has been the best player up until recently. Hasn't sniffed the postseason.

[C]

Right. Because the organization around him is not good. Don, again, I'm not the ghosts. The fan expectations of the media, that's a separate entity. What I've noticed about the Yankees is there was not enough in the clubhouse talk about it. There was not enough of that. There was always sort of the typical stuff of, yeah, we're trying to win. Yeah, that's the goal. But to talk about it the way they're talking about it is setting a tone. Not outside, inside. That. That pressure out there, we need it in here.

[A]

But I get that. But I don't. I don't like where it comes from, because it's coming from the ghost. When he's like, you're a Yankee. Point of being a Yankee, why don't you say, I look at that room. A lot of the same guys that were in the World Series two years ago, a lot of the same guys that were tied for the best record in the American League last year. All right? Forget DiMaggio, forget Barra, forget Jeter. This team right now is good enough to win. Let's go out and win. Forget the ghosts. Forget the name of the stadium for. Forget all the retired numbers. Forget about Monument Park. That's the past. That's dead. Right now. We're good enough to win. Right? So stop feeling the pressure of the stigma of being a Yankee. That should be okay.

[C]

How about.

[A]

How about a current. Whether you're the Yankees or the Yo Yos, whatever your name is, that clubhouse should win because we've got enough to go out there. Win. Let's go win. The Angels, they stunk under Mike Trout, right?

[C]

Okay, but.

[A]

So they didn't win. Had nothing to do with all the people, all the angels of the path. But the Yankees for some reason drag their history into the current time.

[C]

But the players haven't. And I think this is a sound off from two leaders in the clubhouse saying, we got to stop ducking this because it's outside the room and that pressure needs to come in the room. So, so let's say things like this. Let's bring back the idea that we're the freaking Yankees. Let's start acting like it. Let's start owning it. Because they haven't. Let's be honest, Donnie, haven't. We've been yelling about this. They aren't the Yankees anymore. Remember we said that they don't have this, this pursuit of excellence the way they used to. They don't go after the best players all the time. They have a style of play. No, no, but just. I'm saying the two leaders are like, enough. We got to stop ducking this and stop trying to soften the blow, which is what. What Cashman wants. We don't want any criticism. We can't rip our plate, none of that. And they're saying no. We need to dial it up on ourselves because we need to try to get one, you know? Why is Stanton going to the hall of Fame? Yes or yes?

[A]

I think yes.

[C]

The answer is yes. Right. Well, if you go into the hall of Fame and you know that, that, like, I've got an mvp, I've done a lot. I'm going to be in the hall of Fame. He's going to have 500 home runs before it's over with. What's left? Like his body's breaking down. He's probably. It probably takes him an hour and a half to two hours just to get ready to play a baseball game now because his body is so broken down, so what's left to do?

[A]

I just win it all. I get it.

[C]

So he's trying to send a message, Judge. Send a message. I want more guys talking this way.

[A]

But just talking about winning, not because you're a Yankee, but because you've got a team that's going to go out there.

[C]

But if you're. If you are a Yankee, though, don't you use that?

[A]

Yeah, I guess. But. But I just think it gets to be silly because you guys are having a semantic argument, though. Yeah, I agree. I agree with you. Allen's saying, I think they're using. They're supposed. They're using it because we're the Yankees. You're saying we're the Yankees doesn't mean anything anymore.

[C]

Right, but in the room. But that's just a team. And I'm not disagreeing with Don, Peter. I'm not disagreeing with Don. He's right. This thing has gone. This has been gone for years. We know this.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And I blame Cashman for it. But to say that you can't use this, this is to dial up the room and say, guys, look what you're wearing. There's a history here we've got to start living up to. We can't boot balls around. We can't be dumb on the base paths. We can't. We can't piss away games.

[A]

To bet I'd want that Motor. We gotta be lucky if they were an expansion team. If you're good enough to win, go out there and win.

[C]

I get it. But if you have pressure, but if you press, you can use it to your advantage against your own players.

[A]

But it's bad enough. Like, I almost feel bad for the Yankees in a sense that no other franchise do. You feel the pressure to win like you feel the pressure to win with the Yankees. And the thing that's odd about it is baseball's the toughest to do it as a player, you get four at bats and you catch what's hit to you. Right. If you're a quarterback of the NFL, you know what? If you're the best quarterback, you should go out there and win. If you're the best player in a basketball team, you better go out there and win. All right, so LeBron James needs rings. Jordan needs rings, Curry needs rings. Odd. If you're that good and don't win. But there's too many guys. So Tony Gwynn wasn't a great player. Ted Williams wasn't a great player. Mike Trout's not a great player. And so. But we look at Judge and just. He happens to be a Yankee. He's putting up numbers everywhere else. Yeah, you'd like to see him win. Of course those fan base would want to see him win. But now he's being devalued because he hasn't won. Mm.

[C]

That's been a thing. That's a new thing.

[A]

And I just think that's unfair. Now. He hasn't been good in the postseason up until this year. So that's One thing.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

If you want to say, listen, he spit the bit. In those key situations, we can argue that. But to sit there and say he can't be considered a great player unless he wins, that's a. That's tough to do in baseball. Well, that's because there's way too many great players that haven't won in baseball.

[C]

That's an opinion from the outside. But Stanton and Judge, that's their opinion from the inside is. It's not about criticism and facing and saying, well, I got a win. I'm feeling pressure. No. What he would. This to me, comes off as I want to win, because that's what Stanton said. That's my legacy. And if I don't, it's a stain for me. He's telling you what he feels about himself. Right. I love this.

[A]

I know.

[C]

But the judge also is dialing it up as well, because he's letting you know, you know what? I've been here now. I've been here for a long time. It's almost 10 years. And I know what I see it. Being a Yankee, we're about winning, and I need to win because I've won MVPs. I'm considered one of the best players in the history of the franchise. But I know none of that's going to matter if I don't get a championship. And so I like the fact that he's putting it front. He's not backing up. He's not saying, oh, play our best and see where we end up and all that crap. No, he is. He's laying down the gauntlet right now. He is telling his room, if you're not about this.

[A]

Right. But. But I. But I just. But I think you can do that without feeding the beast of, we have to win because I'm a Yankee.

[C]

No, you have to.

[A]

You know what? I'm the best player. It's time for this team to win. We went to the World Series two years ago. We had the tie for the best record in the American League. So whatever logo is on your hat, whatever building you play in, there's always the pressure to go out there and win and represent yourself. Don't make it about. Don't feed into, well, I'm a Yankee. I have to win. So if he was the same player in San Francisco, he wouldn't have to. He should feel the same pressure to win if he was in San Francisco.

[C]

The Giants don't have a winning tradition. They haven't won. They won World Series.

[A]

They've won World Series.

[C]

They're not a flagship franchise in baseball, they're one.

[A]

But I don't think when you go to the Giants, the feeling is, if I don't win, I'm nobody. Now, Barry Bonds is a very difficult conversation to have because of the steroids.

[C]

Right?

[A]

But if you found out, you know what? He didn't take the cream in the clean. She was completely clean. You wouldn't consider Barry Bonds one of the greatest players in baseball.

[C]

You would. But you'd also make note that, you know what, though? He won a World Series.

[A]

I don't know. You would. You would.

[C]

Don't know.

[A]

No, because you.

[C]

You got.

[A]

So you tell me, boy, Tony Gwynn was one of the greatest hitters I ever saw. He never won. You could say that to Dan Marino, because great quarterbacks in the NFL usually win Super Bowl. We don't. You shouldn't have to do this. In baseball. There's just too many great players that haven't won in baseball. Right. There's just too many.

[C]

That's another conversation completely.

[A]

Because you don't control the narrative in baseball the way you do in other sports.

[C]

But you can if you put the pressure on your franchise to make sure we are building a team that wins around me. You have me right now in my prime. We need to win while I'm at my prime.

[A]

Okay? And so. So the only. So I'm not defending Cashmen because I. I hear your complaints about him.

[C]

Mm.

[A]

We're not doing enough. You got the third highest payroll in baseball.

[C]

Yeah. Didn't spend well. Didn't spend well. Don't. Don't tell me that you're spending the money, but are you spending it wisely? We've done this.

[A]

You're in the playoffs every year.

[C]

Okay? And.

[A]

All right. And some of the times, let's be honest, some of the times they don't win because the players don't play to the back of their baseball.

[C]

Who's my left?

[A]

Not Stanton.

[C]

Who's my left?

[A]

I understand.

[C]

Exactly. But did we fill that? Did we fill that hole with the.

[A]

Texas Rangers, a complete team two years ago when they won the World Series?

[C]

Could we have.

[A]

Did the Dodgers two years ago when they beat you? How beat up was their rotation? How beat up was their bullpen? Did they have a great closer and they won. Right. I mean, but I'm saying is that I'm not defending Cashman. But you're making it seem like that poor standing judge have had to play for the sweet sisters of the poor with no payroll and no brains and complete idiots. And, you know, feel sorry for him. That's a really good team. And some of the times they didn't win was because Stan couldn't stay healthy and Judge couldn't hit in the postseason.

[C]

Okay, well, this is ringing very similar to Patrick Ewing. This sounds so. Everybody from the 90s remembers. It sounds very similar.

[A]

Ewing didn't win. Yeah. All right. Why. Why did we get up, Peter? He gets beat up because he was the first pick in the draft. Everybody assumed that he was going to be the greatest NBA player ever.

[C]

And teams that they built early on around him didn't win.

[A]

Went through a million coaches, but that. But never was. The fact is, he didn't win. He didn't live up to. The Knicks had nothing to do with it. Right. He didn't win.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So. But there wasn't a built in part. You got to wait. You're a Nick. You got to win. It's the Knicks. You got to win. It's the Knicks. That wasn't the case. You got to win. You know why? Because great players in the NBA win and great players in the NFL win. I don't know if that's a thing in baseball.

[C]

Here's something crazy back then. How many years since the Yankee World Series?

[A]

What's 09? So we're talking about 17 years.

[C]

Yeah. You know what it was with Patrick when he first started making playoffs?

[A]

1773.

[C]

Yeah. 1990. Crazy. Right.

[A]

But you.

[C]

Crazy.

[A]

But all I'm saying is, is that we talk about the Yankee way and we're all about winning. You've won one championship in 25 years.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

Sports are different now. The Yankees built all those championships, all right? I'm not taking anything away from them. A lot of those championships are won. Why? Because, you know, they were able to back in the day. Like, I got a lot of. I can go out and get Garrick. I can go trade for Babe Ruth. New York, because everybody wants to play in New York. There was no draft.

[C]

Right.

[A]

All right. That's how the Canadians won all their championships. That's how the Celtics won all their.

[C]

Teams in the league.

[A]

You had no teams. You went to the World Series, you won. You won a championship. But now it's a lot harder to win.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So don't hold the Yankees to the standard of Mickey mantle and Joe DiMaggio. That's a joke. And even holding them to the standard of the four championships in five years.

[C]

Do you know you were one of.

[A]

Four teams that spent money and you were able to take advantage of that?

[C]

You still don't see my point. Like the point I'm making. Is he there? They're using it because it's the obvious. The brand does, no matter how long ago it was. This is one of the few brands in sports that feels like it's a winning brand no matter how long it's been done. All right, The Yankee logo, Yankees, all that stuff just feels like that's winning and they're using that. And I'm telling you, this is about in the room. There was a standard here. We need to get back to it. That's what I heard.

[A]

But, but I, I just think you're a great player. You should want to win.

[C]

He does.

[A]

And go out there and win.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But it just feeds the beast of we're supposed to win. It's hard to win.

[C]

It is.

[A]

And I'm not going to sit there and take anything away. But it's the right mental Mattingly because he didn't win, which is I. Which is weird. The, the same fan base holds him in high regard and don't beat him up because he didn't win.

[C]

That's a fair point. That's true.

[A]

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Clock.

[A]

We got the list at 4:30, but let's get to the busy phones right now. Let's start with Al in the Bronx. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Al?

[B]

Hey, what's up, brother? Don, I love you, man. Alan, what's up, bro? How do I put this? I'm a kid from the Bronx. We're Yankees, like the Yankee. There's a difference between going to the hall of Fame as a Hall of Famer and going to the hall of Fame with a ring as a Yankee. Like, is it upper echelon? I used to work at the Onusaka, which is the hotel for the Baseball hall of Fame. Those guys have a different swag. Like, I mean, yo, Donald Mattingly is great, but he's not a Yankee.

[A]

He's also not in the hall of Fame. But, but, but Al, when does that change? Because, like, I'm sorry, Mickey Mantle played under a different system, a different set of rules. Joe DiMaggio, Yogi Berrett, even Jeter. I mean, right now, take a look at baseball. Every year, like the Dodgers have changed it and that's why there's probably going to be a strike or a lockout right now. You go from the Texas Rangers against the Arizona Diamondbacks to the Yankees taking on the Dodgers. Then all of a sudden the Blue Jays come about. Like, there's so much parity.

[B]

We adjust, we set the tone. We like people do what we do, but not anymore what it used to be. I know, but the reason why is because we're looking at it like we're the Mets, you know, say, oh, we're just happy to be the playoffs. No, no. If it was not the alcs, it's a failed year.

[C]

Let me see if I can look at it again.

[A]

But. But that. But. But that standard was set by George. Obviously. The Yankees don't think that way anymore. So why do you think that way.

[B]

When they don't to get to the stadium. We should be seeing a great product up there.

[A]

You do. Every year they go to the playoffs, Al. Every year pretty much, they go to the playoffs.

[B]

We go to the playoffs, but we haven't seen the championship since when, 2009? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It's not that long ago.

[C]

It depends on which way you're looking.

[A]

I'm just saying is that when you. 40 years old.

[B]

I watched us. I watched us got too great in the 80s and then 96 happened and we were the. Like people follow us. We are the Yankees.

[A]

Right.

[B]

We don't have that.

[A]

But they used to follow the Cowboys. But wait a minute. They used to follow the Canadians in hockey, they used to follow the Boston Celtics. In basketball, they. They used to follow the Dallas Cowboys and The San Francisco 49ers and the Green Bay Packers. These things are cyclical. The difference between the Yankees and everybody else that you seem to hate is they go to the playoffs every year. They've never bottomed out.

[C]

I think. What.

[A]

But at the same time, you're holding it to a standard that doesn't exist.

[C]

I think.

[A]

Let me.

[B]

But you know what, though? That standard should exist.

[A]

But it does. They go to the playoffs every year. So you're telling me. So you're telling me that the only way for the Yankees to win is to have the highest payroll.

[B]

You know what? If. That. If. Yeah, we got the money.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Why not?

[A]

So you want to buy championship. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Let me step in for a second.

[C]

Let me just. Let me jump in for a second, because I know what you're trying to. I know what you're trying to say, and I'm trying to help you say it. But what he said at the beginning of the call was the most profound thing.

[A]

Okay, I missed those.

[C]

It was the idea that winning. He said, when you go into the hall of Fame, you go in as a Yankee, it's different. And he's not from your perspective, not from a fan's perspective, from a player. Not because, oh, it's the Yankees. Because think about the fraternity that you walk into. It's just different. It's just different.

[B]

It's a different.

[A]

You can put your name next to what I'm asking.

[C]

That's a big deal.

[A]

But at what point Point. Do we say that standard has changed? Never.

[C]

Because those guys don't go away.

[B]

So Reggie Jackson. Reggie Jackson, I served him at dodo saga.

[A]

He is.

[B]

He has an aura about him that is so amazing. He's majestic. It's weird that I'm sitting there saying it, but like when he puts on that Yankee ring, he walks around with that. It's a different.

[A]

By the way. And guess what? And Mark Teixeira won a championship.

[B]

And.

[A]

And guess what? He's a toolbox. So not everyone walks around with the aura.

[B]

I'm just sitting there saying, not every.

[A]

You don't think that. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let's be fair. Let's be fair. But you don't think there was an aura around Ted Williams? Yes. No, no.

[B]

Ted Williams. Ted Williams is a different story. That. That's something else too. That's something.

[A]

You don't think Poppy's gonna have an aura.

[C]

It's alright. The best thing he said was the beginning. Because to me, that's what. That's what it's about.

[A]

That's still fan talk though.

[C]

No, no, no, it's not.

[A]

Like I said that was right.

[C]

It never does.

[A]

But. Because it's a historic. But I'm saying, like you laughed at. Like that's the way it was with Canadians. And the thing you said, well, Canadians haven't won since 1993. These things have an expiration date. You start going three decades without winning, it's like, you know, I guess that was the old way.

[C]

But when you do, you are still there with Guy lafleur and John Beliveau and all the great. You're still you. Then put your name. Me, nobody from the, you know, the 21st century and now forever. I'm linked to those guys because like them, I won with the Canadians.

[A]

I understand.

[C]

It just hits different. And when you're a Yankee and there's Monument park and all the ghosts are out there and you know, I've done everything, but I gotta get with them.

[A]

I know, because that cements your legacy as a Yankee. But those Canadians and those cell. I'm sorry, I don't want to take anything away from Bill Russell, but it was easier to win back then. It was a handful of teams.

[C]

It doesn't matter. It's still historic.

[A]

But it's so hard to sit there and judge the current Yankees against the Yankees from 80 years ago, 70 years ago, 60 years ago. The rules are different because if Mickey Mantle played today, he might not have won.

[C]

I understand.

[A]

So now he's not Mickey Mandela. And all the same thing.

[C]

I'm not arguing that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Do you understand me, Peter?

[A]

100%.

[C]

This is about being in a fraternity that happens to have history to it. A historic fraternity that's over 100 years old and has had a lot of success. And you're trying just one. If I get one, I'm in, Right?

[A]

Well, let me, let me, let me ask. Let me ask the question to Don't. Different. Let me ask a question. And by the way, I still think there was some yo yo and Al and some of the. Just my team's better than that. After that, it's just there's a little bit of we're special, we're different.

[C]

That's the Bronx talking.

[A]

But I will say this part. Is Aaron Judge the same level of star celebrity viewed the same way if everything is the same. But he's a Chicago White Sox.

[C]

Great question. Great.

[A]

You know the answer. Great question. You know the answer. It also helps to be in the question. Because the Yankees are different. Because it's different. I hate supporting this. Yankees are immensely popular. So he doesn't win. But it is more than being popular. But, but do you think it's fair, it's legacy too, that if he ends up having an amazing career, one of the greatest players who ever won, whoever play, but for whatever circumstances he doesn't win. Yeah. Then he can't be considered an all time great Yankee. He can't be considered an all time great player. You know how unfair that is. No, he will be. He. He'll be both of those things, but they'll always be an asterisk. Right. Is Charles Barkley not considered at all times? But you're great. That's my point. I think it's so unfair in baseball because I could set up Charles Barkley taking the last shot. LeBron can take the last shot. If Judge is on deck and the guy before him strikes out and the game ends, he couldn't do anything about it. It's still. But. But I would argue it's still unfair to Dan Marino. It's still unfair to Charles Barkley. Yes, they affect more plays. But.

[C]

But you can.

[A]

You don't. You're not the general manager. You do what you do, but you have a lot more control. And there's a way. Most, most of the great quarterbacks have won. Most of the great NBA players have won. Most of the great baseball players won. Ernie Banks never won. Ted Williams never won. Tony Gwynn never won. You got guys like Roger Clemens and Wade Boggs that joined teams late in their career to finally win. So if Boggs stayed with the Red Sox his entire career, you know, he would never want. But he'd be an all time great. Where there's an asterisk that says I don't. And this is our argument. I don't think there ever should be an asterisk next to a baseball player for not winning. But you're changing the argument a bit. I'm not changing the argument whether the argument was about Yank the way Yankees.

[C]

That's why when you name Ernie Banks and Tony Gwynn again, did they play for the Dodgers or Yankees? No. So the standard is different. It's just different.

[A]

And I'm asking you, when does that standard change? You just said the standards change for the Canadians. Right? Because you could be a great Canadian. Not win. Nobody's gonna kill you. They haven't won since 93.

[C]

But if they do win, you know, it becomes different. It just does because of the history. It's just a thing. It's just.

[A]

I could agree with you that it's different.

[C]

Right?

[A]

But the way that it's painted as negative that he can never be considered an all time great player unless he wins.

[C]

Well, that's.

[A]

The Jeter will always be considered a better ballplayer because he's got five different opinion. But. But that's.

[C]

That's where that's an opinion. But what the original part of this conversation is judge. And then then the next day stint, both talking, amplifying the idea that we're Yankees, we're supposed to be about winning. And I feel like we haven't had that spirit here since 1969. You know the song like they haven't been doing this. They have been very timid with that.

[A]

Kind of talk on how they've played.

[C]

Which is why I like it. And you're saying why does it matter that you're a Yankee? And I'm saying because it does.

[A]

But I'm saying that. But at what point when you've got one championship in 25 years, it's like all we do is win. You don't always win. And now it's hard to win. There are teams that spend more money than you.

[C]

No one said all we do is win. It was the point.

[A]

Semantics. Because you're saying the standard. Well, the standard changes when it becomes harder to win. And it's way harder to win. Now.

[C]

The point of being a Yankee is being a champion. That's what he's saying. What he's trying to do is bring the attitude back okay, because we all can agree that attitude was, was tamped down.

[A]

And I don't think the judge hasn't won because his attitude or Stanton hasn't won because of his attitude.

[C]

Again, not his attitude. The team, the group, the clubhouse, the franchise. Enough being timid. Start walking and talking like Yankees. That's what they're saying.

[A]

They think they are because they cuz everything Cashman's doing house not cheap. This is how they think you win. You might disagree with it, but it's not a lack of trying. You're not talking about the Yankees who've all of a sudden become the Florida, the Miami Marlins or the Tampa Bay Rays. Talking about Yankee team that's got the third highest payroll in baseball. Right.

[C]

They've got all stars and ran it back.

[A]

And they ran it back Instead of going, they chose to run it back instead of saying, you know what, Ryan Cash, we need to do better.

[C]

We need to move some pieces around. We need like, you know what, what the Mets do. They took a core, realized this ain't it. Your fans might love it, but this ain't it. But that's tore it up and rebuilt it.

[A]

But now we're talking about strategy.

[C]

Well, that's the problem here.

[A]

Do you think Brian Cashman doesn't want to win?

[C]

He wants to win, but he wants to win his way, Don.

[A]

But he, but he thinks his way is the way to win.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So the disagreement is strategy. It's not desire. You could look at some teams and go, I don't think that team wants to win.

[C]

It's not it, Don. Again, this is a clubhouse. Hey guys, raise your games type of speech. That's what this felt like to me. By two guys in that room that are the two most respected players in that clubhouse. That's exactly what this feels to me. It's a tone setter.

[A]

Right?

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[A]

Usa. Sweden scoreless after one from Italy. So keeping an eye on that. Canada's already won their game. So the semifinals are coming up on Friday. And then this kind of stinks. So I might deviate. I don't know. I might be up at 8:00 in the morning. Will be the gold medal game Sunday. On Sunday? Yeah. It's a little early. It's a little. It's like a lot of. Yeah. Because they do in the afternoon. You got everything over and then you got closing ceremonies. What time is it In Italy? At 8 o'. Clock.

[C]

A six hour difference.

[A]

The six hour difference. Right. So what is that? That's two o' clock to you and two round. That's usually when they do the gold medal team events. The basketball finals. Usually. That's. Yeah. Hockey finals.

[C]

Like five.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Local time, right?

[A]

Yeah. You gotta. You gotta be able to go have sex before the week before the game.

[C]

That's true. One more time.

[A]

One more.

[C]

Last. One more. Last one.

[A]

It is funny. Like they ran out of condoms like the first. Always. The story hasn't. Hey, the fact that they have the supply kind of.

[C]

Again, they're athletes, man. They get after it.

[A]

I know, but you're in the. No, I feel like it's all yo, yo. It's like just a good marketing story. I think that's a big part of it.

[C]

You really.

[A]

I mean, come on. People can't find. I get. Everyone's getting after it at college. They don't have to do that. Okay. I think maybe they should. But I mean I feel like people could figure it out. But I think it's great marketing for the Olympics. It's like, hey, just a reminder everyone. You may have not heard of the sports or the athletes or. But it's young attractive people who want to have sex. Yeah. I think it's like a little subtle marketing. So when you. So what they.

[C]

I don't hate it.

[A]

And also like the fact that when you get like two hot pair figure skating, you're thinking, well, they ran out of comments. So you know what they were doing before they got on the ice. Which by the way, aren't people supposed to like maybe avoid that in the middle of heated competition? I'm just saying you built your whole life so you go to the Olympics and just have non stop sex before you hit the.

[C]

Got to get all the bad out. Get it all out.

[A]

How that works. I thought you were supposed. I thought it weakened your knees. I thought you were supposed to stay away from that with the bad women.

[C]

We can lay. Mick would be disgusted.

[A]

That's why, you know, that's why Mick didn't get the nod to be the Olympic boxing coach. He wouldn't accept those ways. He was too old school. Let's go to John and Queens. You're on espn New York. What's up, John?

[B]

What's up guys?

[A]

How you doing? Good.

[B]

Hey, so obviously I'm calling in to talk about the topic you guys opened up with. And while, you know, I disagree with Don and couple a couple moments of that the discussion. Basically my biggest gripe with what Don was saying is the. While I don't disagree what he said.

[C]

The.

[B]

The saying that, oh, we're the New York Yankees, we're supposed to have this standard of winning. Yeah, right. So yeah, I agree that, that the Yankees, it seems like the franchise has not really prioritized that. But I don't see nothing wrong with Judge or Stanton or even fans saying like, no, there is a standard here. And the reason why I say this is because Yankees haven't won in I think it's 16 years.

[A]

Right? Yeah, this was this 17th year, I guess 17.

[B]

Excuse me. Thank you. Their football counterpart, the Dallas Cowboys, they haven't won in 30 years.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Their basketball counterpart, the Lakers, you know, you make the argument Celtics, Lakers, but I think the Lakers are probably more popular than the Celtics even though the titles disparity.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But the point is they have, The Lakers have one bubble title in 20 years or something like that. I think so three of those franchises, they haven't been winning lately. But I would, I would think people, I think those players would tell you, oh, there's a standard of winning here because of what's happened in the past. But, and I will say, yeah, back to Don's original point, things may have changed, the standards change over time. But we all know if those three teams were to whip off four out of five next titles that the headline is, oh, the Lakers, the Yankees, the Cowboys are back to their winning ways. So there is some sort of standard that is still held up among those right now.

[A]

But to hold, to hold this current team, all I'm saying is I think you got to be fluid. All right?

[B]

Oh yeah, I definitely agree with that.

[A]

Because I got news for you. Judge isn't going to win five titles. He's not going to win as many titles as Derek Jeter. But to me that does not make Derek a better player. But to a lot of Yankee fans, John, Derek Jeter is better because he's got five titles and Judge has none. And I just think that's unfair because I still think Judge is the better player. Can I say something?

[B]

So I'm a Yankees fan and Derek Jeter, my favorite player growing up.

[A]

Right.

[B]

I'd be the first to tell you that Aaron Judge is a better baseball.

[A]

Player because you're smart.

[B]

We're for. Without a ring. Yes. Thank you for calling me smart. I appreciate it.

[A]

But. But a lot of Yankee fans attack me whenever I say Judge is better. We fought them tooth and nail about this.

[C]

Jeter's better.

[A]

Oh, no, 75%.

[C]

There can't be a Yankee fan more than less. I think that will argue here's a.

[A]

Better baseball player, better ball player. They will say it.

[C]

God help me.

[A]

This is the argument that I'm coming at you with. This is. This is why I come at you with. This is that Yankee fans have made it all about the ring. There's no enjoyment in anything but the ring. We disrespect players who don't have rings. And all I'm saying is at what point do you kind of adjust the meter a little bit? Because the times dictate there are more teams, there are more rounds. Do you realize that if there was a wild card round, a divisional round, a league championship Series and the World Series, that the. Since the beginning of baseball, the Yankees would probably have half the titles that they have more room for error because there'd be more room to miss, to miss out on the World Series. So all I'm saying is what? Because what. Would you stop. They all have. What would George do? God love him. He's been gone for, you know, since 2010. All right, I'm just saying, why can't you shift it? But because the fans won't allow it. Judge and Giancarlo Stanton, they all pivot towards that because that was the standard that was made when it was way easier to win. Now it's really hard. All those teams. And look at all the great. The gold standard of teams to win even more recently. Cowboys, Packers, 49ers, they've all taken their dip. Spurs. Think of all the teams that have won titles. And now, you know, the Patriots, they did get back, but they're not going to go out and win at the same clip they won when they had Tom Brady. And the Chiefs are going to take a dip once Patrick Mahomes is gone. But the Yankees, you're not allowed to dip. You're not. You're not allowed to have a rebuild. You're not allowed to have a reset. You can't Go any length of time. I'm just saying, at what point point do the fans just say, enough?

[C]

Never. Well, never.

[A]

And. And that makes it really difficult because I think you're holding them to a standard that just does not. It can't possibly live that.

[C]

Each year goes by, though, without a title. I think it ramps up because it's just getting like it's all right. And you can say, okay, you might not win four and five, but can I get one in 17 years, please?

[A]

The Mets have no winning legacy. I'm still red hot. They haven't won for 40 years. And I don't care if you're a Padre fan. I don't care if you're a Winnipeg Jet fan. You have the right to be angry when your team doesn't win and doesn't live up to expectations. That's what you'd be mad at. That's what they are so not expectations that were set 100 years ago by the 27 Yankees. Be mad at the current regime. Be mad at what's going on now, whether they're the Yankees, the Red Sox, or, you know, like I said, the New York. Yo. Yoshi. Whatever it is, hold them to the standard of the now. And right now, they believe they've got a good enough team. Brian Cashman ran it back, so he must think it's good enough. You might disagree with Brian's strategy. You can't tell me he doesn't want to win.

[C]

Well, I know he wants to win, but as I said, he wants to win his way. Right, but don't know if I agree with it.

[A]

No, we'll see. Now what. What if he does win? What if they win the World Series this year? Then he ends up being right for once. All right, well, see, that's what now, that. And that's what's going to happen, Peter. They'll win the title. It's like, where's the next one? And I think.

[C]

I think you're not. It's not, where's the next one? It just becomes, all right, well, you finally got there. Yeah, the odds finally were in.

[A]

And I just think that, I guess if you. You'll. Peter, give him a few summers in this time slot, and I think he'll come around. Oh, yeah, he'll. He'll see. He's going to learn a lot. When. When. When the Yankees were winning 100 games and judges hitting 60 home runs and every Yankee fan's complaining that, you know, why is Gallo on the team? Why did they lose last night? Like, it's almost like it's no fun. You're missing a lot of fun stuff, man. Well, that's missing a lot of enjoyment.

[C]

That's the loud minority, though.

[A]

Yeah, well, they're the ones. I can only deal with the people we talk.

[C]

You're right.

[A]

They're loud, though.

[C]

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