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Don Hahn
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Alan Rosenberg
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Don Hahn
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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Peter Rosenberg
All right, here we go. So I told you boys it was a must win.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
It was a dicey.
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Caller
And I remember you also distinctly. You said. I remember this so clearly, Alan said. And I know that with everything that happened today, the, the game winner, it's going to be, it's going to be a season best effort and game winner from Mikhail Bridges. You called it.
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Peter Rosenberg
I did not. But that's okay. No, it's all right though. It was a win. And a win is a win is a win. Like, like, you know, you know, whatever. It doesn't matter what it looked like because it was kind of ugly for a while. It really was the game itself. Portland played hard, but that is kind of like, was that poetic? The fact that the day started with some controversy from Mikhail Bridges talking about minutes and in the final seconds, he makes the biggest play of the game and one of the biggest plays of the year. Knicks haven't had a buzzer beater in, in almost three years. Over three years. So that's a, that's a big one. And now you're two and two on the road trip. So they had to win it. They found a way. And I don't, I don't know if the, the conversation goes away about the minutes. Did you hear what Tibbs said before the game about when Bridges said that we had this meeting? You know, I talked to him about it.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
So Thibodeau was asked about the meeting and he said we didn't talk about it.
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Caller
All right, so do we get an explanation on that yet? Like, what is the, what gives here? Like, was there confusion? Did Mikal Bridges view something as a conversation that Tibbs didn't?
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Peter Rosenberg
Right.
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Caller
Did Bondi misunderstand, like, what the hell is going on, Alan?
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Peter Rosenberg
I wish I knew because I was surprised as well when Tom Thibodeau said that he didn't have, you know, we never, we never had that discussion. That kind of blew my mind. I wouldn't have expected that. And then he, by the way, he was also prepared pregame, chapter and verse about minutes, about why, like, he, he explained everything about why the minutes were the way they were, pointing out the injuries early in the season. They, they didn't have shamet. I had to play guys. And when you're playing against the really good teams, everybody has great wing players. Our wing guys have to play a lot because those guys, when those guys go in the game, our guys go in the game. And so Tatum's gonna play 36, 38 minutes. So, so are you. Like, he's doing it. He explained the matchup thing. And I almost feel like Tibbs needs to do more of this because fans never understand his decision making in rotations and he won't explain it. And I think the best coaches, when they are asked about things like this enough, you should just take that moment, pull out the chalkboard, pull out the chalk and put everybody in school.
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Caller
And yet if you feel like following along and you can do so, here's the explanation for it.
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Peter Rosenberg
Right?
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Caller
I just. So it's very clear that by the time we knew about the Bondi story yesterday, saying that Mikhail Bridges said he had this conversation with Tibbs by the time they got to pregame, same way we knew about it, Tibbs knew about it. He shows up to pregame prepared to have the conversation about minutes, but he's also matter of fact about the fact that the conversation never took place. I'm so confused.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah. Don't you as a coach, guys, don't you have to kind of just fake it and just say, you know, we, we've moved on. Like, don't, don't just call him out, call him a liar, basically. Like, what goods that do.
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Caller
Like, don't we, like, don't we. Don't we also appreciate honesty from, from a head coach? Not just feeding us nonsense, but, but, but doesn't.
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Alan Rosenberg
You're trying to extinguish this thing. But it just seems like, like egos are getting involved here where, you know, Tibbs is giving his side of the story, but also saying that the conversation never happened. Like, so now he's adding fuel to the fire here. Now, now he's making it seem like there's, there's something going on here. Your player had a complaint, claims he spoke to you about it. You're saying the conversation never happened. That's not exactly a way to end the story. It's kind of a Way to fuel and fan the flames of a controversy that I just don't think is necessary. He said anything.
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Peter Rosenberg
His quote exactly was, we never had a conversation about it. And if you go to what Mikhail Bridges said is that he said. And also talk to him a little bit, knowing we've, you know, like, what he was saying, because he said, sometimes it's not fun on the body. You know, Again, Peter, this is what you read yesterday, you know, but you want that as a coach and also talk to him a little bit, knowing that we've got a good enough team where our bench guys can come in. So basically he's saying, I told Tibbs we should be playing more of our bench guys. We've got good players. They deserve to play more minutes. And Tibbs is essentially saying, we never talked about this. So maybe that's a maybe. What Bridges is referring to is something from maybe days, weeks ago where he might have mentioned in passing. And Tibbs is, like, thinking, but yesterday he came up to me about minutes. No, he didn't.
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Caller
Is this the equivalent of when kids say they asked about doing something and the parents are like, wait, no, no, you didn't ask if you could go to the party. You mentioned there was a party on Saturday. Could it be that?
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Alan Rosenberg
So could be. So let's say there's a misremembering. Let's say there's a semantics issue with words. If your tib is just, yeah, we spoke. Why. Why do you have to make it seem like there's something going on? Even if there. There was no conversation? What are you trying to win? Are you trying to let the world know I. I'm in charge here, man? He can complain all he wants. I do what I want to do. There was no conversation. Because if there were a conversation, he'd be straightened out. Like, what exactly is the end game of now? Denying there was a conversation. Even. Even if there was no conversation, what good comes from.
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Caller
Yeah, I hear that.
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Alan Rosenberg
Having that be the last bit.
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Peter Rosenberg
So you're saying that Tibs. Tibs. Despite, like, whether. Because, you know, I mean, I know how I'd be. Like, we. Even if we had a conversation, you're gonna. Now you're gonna go public with this? Like, like, of all the things we can have a problem with, like, even if you just talked about the offense and your role in it, that's one thing. But we all know, like, every coach has that one thing that that is what will knock the stool out from under him. Okay? Like, that. Everybody. Every coach knows this is the one. This is the one that the guillotine will come down if you bring this up too many times. And for Tibbs, it's minutes. It's always been that. And so it's almost like the one thing you don't really want to talk about publicly about your coach is the one thing that. That Bridges did talk about publicly, and that's probably as a coach, you're like, really? That. Okay, well, no, I didn't talk to him about it because really, the right thing to do. You're right, Don. The first of all, the right thing for Mikhail Bridges to do is not go public with it.
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Alan Rosenberg
Exactly.
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Peter Rosenberg
But he did. So for Tibbs, does he. Does he try to, like, tamp it down? Now, remember, this is before the game. Does he tamp it down by saying, like, yeah, we discussed. You know, it's just, we're going to keep that in house. We hate that when coaches do that. We're going to keep that in house. That's a discussion between us, because the media, we want this. And fans now are intrigued and they want answers. So Tibbs, what he did, like I said, I think what he did was lay out exactly why. You guys want to know why? I played these guys a lot of minutes. All right, here it is. And this is the quote again from him. Pregame, facts are facts. Your wings play more so they're matched up with primary scores. That's the way it works. If Jason Tatum is in the game and Jaylen Brown is in the game, OG Will be in the game and Mikhail will be in the game. He said, you just try to keep the matchups. When you look at the league, all those guys are playing 35, 36 minutes. He mentions Durant, Tatum, Brown, look it up. It's true. All right? And so he said, that's the way the league works. But then he goes, but let me take it further, because you want to know why this guy was leading the league in minutes this season? Well, we started the season no Landry Shamon. He was hurt, so I couldn't play a wing off the bench. Then Deuce McBride got hurt, dealt with a knee a lot. We missed him. So there's another defender that we take out of the lineup that we didn't have and then had to work his way back. He didn't even mention Robinson. But that affects OGN and obi. So the front front court also was missing a key player. So he then points out, which is. Tells you he did the homework on this, that Brunson is 20th in the league in minutes. Towns is like 25th in the league in minutes. It's Hart and OG that play a ton. And he said Hart never wants to come out of a game. He threw that in there as sort of a little like a little dig, like, you know, a heart complains when you take him out. That's a way of saying, like, see, I got a guy that wants to play. And then I looked up something that I found interesting. Since the All Star break, where do you think Mikhail Bridges ranks in minutes in the NBA?
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Alan Rosenberg
Well, he was in the top three and not anymore. Right.
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Peter Rosenberg
So. Well, he's number one. He's tied with Josh Hart number one in minutes per game for the full season. 37.8, I think it is. Or 37, 9, whatever it is.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right. As of right now.
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Peter Rosenberg
As of right now for the full season. But since the All Star break, it's got.
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Alan Rosenberg
It's the last I checked, which was before the All Star break, I think he was third. So I guess they've gone up.
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Caller
He's one.
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Peter Rosenberg
No, yeah, down. He's. He's. He was 21st going into the game last night, played 41 minutes, now he's 18th.
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Alan Rosenberg
Okay, all right.
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Peter Rosenberg
In the entire league. So a bulk of his playing time was like December, you know, when they didn't have a lot of bodies. So he said, I've been scaling him back to like 35, 36, and that's where he's been. So he even said this. This is the admission by Tibbs, this is the quote. So are they playing a little more than I would like? Yeah. And he said, probably 35, 36. That's where Mikhail is if you look at the last 10 games. So I looked it up and that since the All Star break, and sure enough, 35 minutes a game. And he said in four of those games are overtime games, which is also accurate. So overtime, obviously you're going to play more. So it is amazing to me, but not so much. This was all shoot around conversation that Bridges had. Morning shoot around. It obviously got to Tibbs pregame, and he came with all the information and he made sure everybody understood this is what I'm doing. Like, I'm not some lunatic who's just ignoring the bench. I'm coaching a game. I see matchups and I know I got to have my best against their best. And so he explained it. Now my question is, after him explaining all this feeling like there might be tension and controversy, and then Bridges having himself a fantastic game, they needed somebody to take over in the in clutch time, he did. And he made the biggest shot obviously of the game, which was the buzzer beater, and he shot with confidence. Do we look at this like Monica McNutt last night in the post game, she felt like in pregame she said this. This is sort of like everybody. We always had these little quarrels. Like, it happens, we disagree, we talk it out, and then we figured out we go forward. Do you look at this as a blip? As like, you know, this was just a little something, but obviously, by the way Bridges played, there's no real issues. Or do you think that this is still something to monitor?
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Alan Rosenberg
Hmm.
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Peter Rosenberg
You know, because fans want people monitor.
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Alan Rosenberg
I think this is something that's going to be monitored. But do I think it's something that can derail things? I don't. It's interesting. It's. It's certainly going to fan the fuel of the fans who think that Tibbs plays these guys too much and all that. But I think it will be monitored because the Knicks get monitored. But I don't think it's going to be an issue.
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Peter Rosenberg
You don't think it's a real thing?
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Alan Rosenberg
It could be a real thing. Like, it's real, but I don't. If they don't win, it's not going to be because of this.
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Peter Rosenberg
Isn't it amazing? Winning is the best deodorant, right? Like, they lose that game last night, and I'm telling you, there were several times, like towns, it's two threes, they go up six with like a little over a minute to go in regulation. And in my mind I'm like, all right, they're going to escape this. Like, they're going to win this. Like, I knew Portland was a hard playing team. They're not very good when it comes to their record, but they do play hard. They give you a hard time. And they have given some teams recently a hard time, even though they lost four in a row coming in. But as I'm watching the game, there were times throughout the game where I said to myself, they're going to lose this game. Like, you could. You could feel it, that things weren't going their way. They couldn't shoot. They were leaving hard open. There's another thing we got to talk about strategy. Like, they're leaving heart wide open. They're not even guarding him. And he went. Where did he go? Oh, for. I think he was 0 for 6 or 2 for 6 maybe in fourth quarter overtime. Over three from three wide open looks. They aren't even regarding Him. And it's making it too easy to double team towns. And so once, once they employed that strategy and Hart was missing shots versus the other night in Sacramento, he couldn't. He couldn't miss. That's what I thought. They're going to lose this game. And then I was. That's. The next thing in my brain is, okay, that means now this Tibbs vs Bridges story gets even bigger because you're looking now at a. A road trip that could end up one in four. But now they have a chance to win it. If they can win Saturday night. The whole. To me, the whole perspective changes.
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Alan Rosenberg
Well, do you need. Even on a championship team, which this team isn't, but they're trying to get.
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Peter Rosenberg
To that point, they're still top five in the league.
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Alan Rosenberg
That everybody has to be on the same page. Everybody has to be thrilled and happy with their coach and their teammates.
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Peter Rosenberg
Some of the best Knicks teams was nothing but complaining.
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Alan Rosenberg
Bridges complained. It certainly was something that a lot of fans have had been complaining about. But at the end of the day, he was able to take the shot. Even if it was to stick it to Tibs, it still won them the game. You know, you've covered teams. I remember. You know, do you think all those. When the Devils were winning that everybody loved Lou. That everybody loved Burns and Robinson. And we talk about the Bronx Zoo with The Yankees.
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Peter Rosenberg
The 94 Rangers.
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Alan Rosenberg
The 94 Rangers.
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Peter Rosenberg
Half of them wanted to turn on Keenan.
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Alan Rosenberg
Oh, listen, he went after Brian Leach.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
When called out. Brian Leach, they also the most popular Ranger.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah. Because it's not always Kumbaya. Parcells would always get under. Too bad we don't have Carl in studio today. He'd tell you stories. I remember there's a time in 86 that Parcells called Banks out to the media. Carl Banks, nicest guy in the world. Great player, brought it every single day. But he wanted to motivate him, so he used the media to motivate him. We remember the screaming match with Phil Sims in Indianapolis. Go sit the blank down. And these were championship teams. I think sometimes we think that it's all supposed to be rainbows and unicorns, and if it's not, then it's a controversy and it's going to derail the team. This might actually be a good thing. Makes things less stale. Creates more motivation than just the Celtics in the second round. It created something yesterday in a game that you just said you watched and thought they were going to lose.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
And if it was the reason they won, good.
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Caller
Because Otherwise they would have lost.
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Peter Rosenberg
I mean, again, Tibbs called the play for Bridges. It was a brilliant side out of bounds again. I'm sure you guys saw the highlights by now. I didn't expect you to be up that late, but I'm sure you saw the high. That side out of bounds was as perfectly executed as you could possibly have a play executed. I mean, they. Bridges inbounded the ball. There was 3.4 seconds left, and the guy who scored the game winner inbounded the basketball. Right? So everything had to go perfect. You make one fumble, one misstep. Honestly, like, like, there's no play, there's no shot, there's no nothing. You lose. But it worked out perfect. Quick inbound, dribble handoff, heart with a good screen. Sharps guarding the. The inbounds. He gets caught on the screen, and Bridges gets right to his spot. Pulls up seven footer, who's got a seven se. A nine foot. What is it? Nine foot, seven standing reach. Basically almost can touch the rim standing. So there's not a lot to see if he's got his arm up.
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Caller
Right.
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Peter Rosenberg
And Bridges drills that three drills it at the buzzer.
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Caller
Listen, came off the screen, took his five or six steps, gathered himself.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, here we go. Are you new to the NBA? When it comes to traveling, it was a bad. Because, you know, seriously, like, you don't need a passport in the NBA. You can go anywhere you want.
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Caller
That was.
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Peter Rosenberg
You understand that works on like every, every, Every game. You're like, all right, that's four steps.
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Alan Rosenberg
Is there a rule where you take more liberties than. Than traveling in the NBA? Oh, it's any sport in any sport. Because they've gotten rid of the neighborhood play in baseball. Right. The neighborhood play was always something that.
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Peter Rosenberg
Right.
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Alan Rosenberg
But replay took that away.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yep.
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Alan Rosenberg
There's got to be. I can't think of one off the top of my head where you're like, that's football. That's illegal.
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Peter Rosenberg
Right. They don't, they don't give you anything in football. You can't even toe tap anymore. Football, like, did your toe touch the sideline? Wait, one blade of grass was white, you be out of bounds.
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Alan Rosenberg
Could you imagine if they. Because travel is not something that's reviewable, right?
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Peter Rosenberg
No, you can't challenge that. But there's things that they could see that, like if they're challenging something, if they see a travel beforehand, they could, you know, change a call. But, but, but no, you can't just say he traveled. I want to review the.
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Alan Rosenberg
Oh, can you imagine if they did that.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, Lord, no.
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Caller
There was, like.
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Peter Rosenberg
There was one time. I think it was. If it was, it was it. Celtics thunder. There was a game I was watching, and I swear Jaylen Brown was given the ball. And I'm not saying this, Peter, because you' Celtics fan. I mean, it's just one. I remember recently. I'm watching the game and it's literally just walking up the floor. There was no pressure, no nothing.
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Caller
Oh, yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
Handed Brown the ball and he took like, three steps before he dribbled. And then he just casually dribbled the ball up the court and nobody said a word.
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Caller
Yeah, that's become a thing for sure. Like, you see those highlights?
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Peter Rosenberg
It's a great question. I can't think of anything in any sport where it's. It's a rule that's broken but overlooked because it's almost like it feels menial. Like, whatever, right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
Tyrese Halliburton made the most incredible shot against the Bucks, a four point play on a three pointer where he literally ran to the corner, caught the ball, never dribbled and shot the ball. Like he literally. I think he took four steps before he shot the basketball.
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Caller
By the way, did you. Did you see the contact on the foul? As good as a play as it was. I couldn't quite touch his elbow.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, I know.
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Caller
Like, I didn't know if they were saying that Giannis took his. Didn't give him a place to land.
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Peter Rosenberg
No, it wasn't the land. I think his hand was. There's. There's always two hands. Everybody watches the hand up to defend the shot. Always watch the low hand, because that was in the 90s, that the low hand was how you really, you know, affected shots. Because, okay, I didn't make contact with. With his elbow when I shot, when I'm defending the shot, but my other hand might have pushed his hip and pushed him off balance or gave him a shot to the ribs. Like just a fingertip shot to the ribs. Little things that could affect. They watched the low hand now, and the most simplest contact, they're calling it, and that's where. That's where Giannis got him. I think he got him with the low hand.
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Caller
What a. What a crazy, weird, sad piece of news to start with in March that it is now being reported everywhere that the prolific sports and specifically college basketball authority, the great John Feinstein, passed away 69 years old.
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Peter Rosenberg
Was he sick? I didn't even know if he was sick.
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Caller
I don't know. He said his brother says he passed away at his home, his brother's home in McLean, Virginia. Cause of death not immediately clear.
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Peter Rosenberg
Okay.
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Caller
He had a column. He had his regular Washington Post column that came out today. But, I mean, I don't know, guys, it would. Across sports, he is about as synonymous a writer with a sport as you'll find, you know him in college. Basketball.
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Peter Rosenberg
No, of course, one of my, the. One of the first books I really dove into as a kid and like, voracious, I ripped right through. It was A Season on the Brink. That's the, the Bob Knight book, which.
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Caller
Led, which led to the Brian Dennehy movie.
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Peter Rosenberg
Did it? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow.
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Alan Rosenberg
Which didn't do.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, that's all about it. The book. The book's phenomenal. Like, just a phenomenal book. And so, you know, when you're a kid, like, I was. What was I. I'm kidding. In high school, I didn't want to read books. Right. But that was one that I, I got my hands on and I just couldn't stop. I was so caught up in just the details of it and the, the drama of Indiana, Indiana University and all that stuff. So. Yeah, you're talking about somebody that. You use the word prolific. Right. I mean, that's the. Probably the best way to describe.
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Caller
Oh, it's so many.
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Peter Rosenberg
44 books that he has written in.
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Caller
His life and some. Yeah. And you just pointed out Season on the Brink, which is huge.
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Peter Rosenberg
But I know I never saw the movie with Brian Dennehy, so. Never saw it.
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Caller
So that's, of course, a look at the 85, 86 Hoosiers.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Caller
I think his most recent or among his most recent was the Legends Club. Dean Smith, Mike Krzyzewski and Jim Valvano. He wrote that in 2016. But I mean, just, just a truly, truly legendary and incredibly beloved writer in college basketball. So, like, it's interesting, guys, because today, even more so than yesterday, today, the Thursday of the conference tournaments always feels like the true start of March Madness.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Caller
And. And what a sad thing to see.
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Peter Rosenberg
So. Yeah, that's a, that's an excellent point. All right, so 800-919-3776. We'll get to calls rolling here and we'll get started with you. By the way, speaking of, you know, as March, St. John's gets the win today, 7857 over Butler. So they have taken care of business. They'll be there in the semifinals tomorrow, 6:30 at Madison Square Garden. And we're going to march over there after our show. We're going to be right there. 3:00 tomorrow, the Irish exit Moynihan Train hall, which is literally across the street from the Garden. The Lir, you know, Penn Station, Moynihan, it's all the Same area now, 8th Avenue. Walk across the street after our show when you hang out with us and go in and see the Johnny's. I, I let me see that. Where three where are we at now? Because I haven't checked the score recently. Marquette, Xavier, right. Is the the winner of that game is who they'll end up playing. So we'll keep an eye on the scores and everything else, but we know St. John's will be there tomorrow. Certainly no surprise you're a big part of the show. See your calls. 800 now, 193776. More on the Knicks. The latest on the NFL and free agency. The new league year is underway and there's still question marks about quarterbacks, especially with the Giants. And we continue to wait for Aaron Rodgers. Is he loving this or what?
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Caller
I can't wait to discuss this because.
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Peter Rosenberg
It'S we got more to get to. But first, Peter, a message.
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Caller
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Don Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
All right, so the Knicks get the win last night. If you went to sleep and were not sure what happened, you missed a buzzer beater. It was pretty special. They get a win. They're two and two on this trip. They got two days off and then they meet up with Draymond Green and the warriors on Saturday. Another nationally televised game, by the way. Boys05 in their last five standalone, nationally televised games. There's that there, of course, is the ability to have a winning road trip, which would be something considering that they lost Brunson at the start of it. So you want to see if they can get that done. And they also feel like they should have beaten the warriors the first time. When they played them last Tuesday at the Garden. They blew it in the second half and they were angry about that loss. So there's a lot going into Saturday. And you know, with the whole Draymond story, wouldn't it be nice if PJ Tucker made his Debut as a Knick that night and see if he can mix some things up. But, you know, again, it's. It's. There's a reason, like, without getting to. I don't want to go all Nick's boy on you. Right? I know you guys probably roll your eyes at me sometimes, but I'm watching a team that I've watched for the better part of my life, right? And I've watched covered this team for 20 years. And what I see a lot of. Remember I told you I was watching last night? I'm like, oh, I think they're gonna lose this game. Like, you just get a feeling because you've watched enough that you get the spidey senses tingling, and you're like, hey, this is one of those games you lose. And I've had that feeling a couple of times this season. And just about, like, half the time, I'm wrong. Because there's just some resiliency that just comes up with this team, and they just find a way. And I know it sounds corny, whatever you want to say, it's fine. I really just marvel at the fact that this team finds a way a lot of times to, quote, unquote, steal a win that should have been a loss. And last night really was another one of those games. I really believe that.
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Alan Rosenberg
And that's why the championship or bust crowd that we got to get out of the second round crowd sometimes just can't enjoy what is a fun basketball team. That's really, really good. Just circumstances have it that you're going to have to get through the Celtics in the second round. So it's. But you just said it. They're. They're. They're in the top five teams in the NBA. But circumstances have it that one of the best teams is in their division and two of the best teams are in their conference, right? So that's why it maybe won't show up. Even if they end up being the fourth best team in the league, which they've been this year, it may not result in playing the conference final the way it should under normal circumstances. But that should not take away from last night. It should not take away from what's been a tremendously fun season.
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Peter Rosenberg
And it also tells you that there's something. And I think I said this the other day. I don't think it's this year. I'll be the first to acknowledge that. But there's something in the core of this team. And this coach, by the way, I'm going to add him because it's everybody wants to be so quick to. Like. There were some people that were sharpening the swords when they saw those quotes from Bridges from. From yesterday. They were hoping this was going to be it. Okay? Now a player finally spoke out against him and this will be the end because there's people that just can't wait to get rid of this guy. This guy who's been the best coach you've had since Jeff Van Gundy. They can't wait to run him out of town. And I'm. And I'm thinking, I don't want this to be that because the st. You know, when Tom Coughin left the Giants, the standard went with them and they've never been the same. When Jeff and Gundy left the Knicks, the standard went with him and they never been the same. Tom Thibodeau coached with Jeff Van Gundy, so he understands that. He brought the standard back. They have one and everybody that can't wait to kick him out the door understand the standard goes with him. Very dangerous place to be. So he's part of this resiliency of finding ways to win games that you are. You did not play well in. You maybe didn't deserve to win, but you found a way. And you have the type of players who won't let you lose. Brunson is that guy. And Bridges last night stepped in and played that same role.
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Alan Rosenberg
Now I want to get to the bottom of why they have it in for Tibs. I understand.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, wait till the call. 809.193776. Why do you hate the Tibbs crowd? Come, I need to hear from you. Because I'm telling you, I could hear you sharpening your swords yesterday when these quotes came out.
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Alan Rosenberg
Because, listen, I don't agree with it, but I kind of get where Yankee fans are coming from with Boone. Because you saw Girardi showing the door. And up until this year when they went to the World Series, Boone had never gotten farther than Girardi did. And obviously their championship or bust every single year with the Yankees. I mean, I get why Giant fans don't like Dable. I can understand why Ranger fans lose patience with La Violette. I get that because that team took a step back this year. So you're going to blame somebody, blame the coach. But what is the issue? And don't tell me, well, last year this and this year that. Since you. Since he's gotten here, you've had it in for him. Not everybody, but that in for the Tibbs crowd. I love to get to the bottom I was listening in this morning to the morning show. Somebody called up and luckily Dave and Rick jumped him. Well, he doesn't know how to develop a bench. He developed a bench last year. Circumstances meant those guys had to go. He doesn't have any players to develop on the bench. Like you're just coming up with excuses. It's the minutes, it's the lack of developing a bench. They come up with all of these kind of lame excuses instead of just enjoying what is a really good coach. He's a good guy. He's all about the team. The players really seem to like him. What is it that bothers you so much about this guy?
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Peter Rosenberg
Can I just jump in with about the bench? I mean, Manuel Quickley turned into a terrific player. A player that, you know, was really good off the. Off the bench. He was one of the top three in voting, I think in six man, maybe even runner up, I can't remember. And when it came time to pay him, which they weren't going to do, he wanted to be a starter, they got them. They used him to turn into a really good player in OG Anunoby. I mean like Deuce McBride. Guy's a second round pick, incredibly overlooked player. What they've turned him into, you know, Isaiah Hardstone, when they got him, he nobody knew who he was. Nobody had a clue they were calling him Hartenstein. Nobody had any idea who the hell this guy was.
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Caller
And when he left, he would have thought that they.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh my God. Right, like so you're going to tell me that that had nothing to do with coaching and figuring out how to use them the right way and all that stuff?
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Alan Rosenberg
Well, when they develop guys, it's the coaches. The coach doesn't get any credit. But if a guy doesn't do well while the coaches aren't doing enough, remember.
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Peter Rosenberg
How about this one when they traded Cam Reddish because apparently Tibbs. This is again, the belief was Tibbs hated Cam Reddish even though he could help them win, he just didn't want to play him. That's that. That was, I'm telling you, that was prevailing belief that it was on my timeline and I was laughing. And then they traded him for Josh Hart and people couldn't believe it. You get a talent like Cam Reddish and you get Josh Hart in return. Look at the Knicks record since Josh Hart became a Knick and how important he has been to their success and how hard they play. All the things that make them what they are. Right? And where's Cam Reddish? He's not even back he's not even with Portland. He ended up with the Lakers. He barely played. He doesn't play. Why? Because everybody who gets him all sees a guy that has some physical talent but can't put it together. So they fall in love with players and they blame the coach because the player you fell in love with really isn't as good as you think he is. It's so bizarre. And I can't. I'm trying to think, is Boone, is there anybody else that coaches in New York or has recently that has had success and the fans will never embrace him?
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Alan Rosenberg
Boone.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's got to be Boone, right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Because I hear more complaints.
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Peter Rosenberg
And Girardi heard about it too. They were killing Girardi. Now they miss him.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right?
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Peter Rosenberg
But I remember them killing Gerard.
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Alan Rosenberg
But no, and listen, they'll say, well, we didn't win the championship, but you've had a tremendous amount of success with him in the regular season and you know, just went to the World Series. And I think most fans can't stand them again. I'm gonna. I'm the one to lump in most. But the ones that we hear from.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, they're the loudest, right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah. For the team. That's really good. I hear a lot of complaining about tips.
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Peter Rosenberg
A lot of people, you know what the comparison was recently that I saw that someone tried to convince me of was that Tibbs is really just Buck Showalter. And you know, you've got to find, you know, somebody else to take them to the next step. That's all. For me, he's just Buck Showalter. By the way, Don. That's all he is. Is that a compliment or is that a figure that out?
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Caller
What's that supposed to mean?
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Alan Rosenberg
The did the dis is he can't get you there. He'll get you close. He'll get you to the doorstep. You're gonna need somebody else to knock the door down because that was. That was the thing that followed Show Walter is. Is that the second he left the Yankees, they won?
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Peter Rosenberg
Yep.
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Alan Rosenberg
You know, the second that he left, I guess it was Texas, you know, then they went to the back to back World Series and the Mets, right. And you know, and there was. There was another team. Why am I. Or Diamondbacks. Diamondbacks.
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Peter Rosenberg
One Diamondback too.
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Alan Rosenberg
You know, so there was that trail of. He kind of can set you up, but he can't knock it down. And they're just going back to his time in Chicago and Minnesota and saying, see this guy never won anything.
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Peter Rosenberg
800 now 193776. Don asked the question. We want to hear the answers. John is in la. John, you're going to start us off today. What's up, John?
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F
Hey, guys. How's it going?
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Peter Rosenberg
What's up?
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Caller
Amen.
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F
Love, love your new show. Love how you guys talk. Nick, Sally and I really appreciate everything that I learned from you on the, you know, on the radio. I got to say something to what Don said about, you know, enjoying the season or whatnot. You know, Don, last year we were going to go to the finals probably if we didn't injured.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, you know, you're going to be the Celtics.
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Alan Rosenberg
Why are you making the assumption you're beating the Celtics? Why?
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F
I'm saying it was more possible last year than it is this year because of Carl Karl, Anthony Towns. We knew that he wasn't going to be a starting center that could win games or, you know, take a team far as a defensive center. You see the difference in the team with Robinson on the team now, and you see that. You know, I don't blame Tibbs at all, by the way. I blame the setup of this team, how it was set up. We needed two centers that could, you know, play defense, but we don't have that right now. We have one that's kind of injured. But, you know, Tips could win with a team like that that has two centers that could play defense.
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Alan Rosenberg
So you're not having fun this season?
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F
I'm not having fun. You know, I'll tell you why. Because it's nice to watch him go for, you know, 40 points and get 20 rebounds or whatever. But it's just, you know, that's like a video game. I want to win games. I want to win a championship.
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Alan Rosenberg
Why were you winning a championship with what you had last year?
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F
Because that's how Tips wants to play. He wants to have two centers that control the defense. He wants to have ball control with Jalen, and that's what I want. I want Jalen to be taking those big shots, not going and beating a team by 20 points and scoring a bunch of points. That doesn't do it for me. And they tried this already with Fournier, with Kemba. Remember that good year they had? They went and they got those other new players in there.
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Caller
This is as good as this guys.
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Alan Rosenberg
Are 20 games above 5.
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Peter Rosenberg
John, John, all due respect, the team with Fournier and Kemba was terrible, Terrible. That was the one team that didn't make the playoffs under Tips. He eventually, the next season, had to stop playing Fournier, who they gave $72 million to because he could not guard. The guy was a traffic cone. Like. Like, seriously, like there were spillages courtside that did more damage defensively than he ever did. Like, he couldn't play him anymore. It is so Kemba. Kemba didn't let. Last half the season, he couldn't guard either.
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Alan Rosenberg
He let it slip. Then he tried to backtrack it, but his first words were, you know, that we're going to win a championship last year if they didn't get hurt. Well, wait a minute. You didn't make it out of the second round. Now, granted, I think you beat the Pacers if you're healthy.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
But now all of a sudden, just because you thought in the moment you had a chance against the Celtics, that all of a sudden became reality, that you were going to beat the Celtics, that you were going to win the championship. He didn't even get halfway there. Those injuries, Honestly, Alan, you watch every second of every game. Those injuries cost them a championship last year. A championship.
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Peter Rosenberg
Would they have beaten the Dallas Mavericks?
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Alan Rosenberg
Would they have beaten the Celtics?
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, I'm saying if. If we're going to play the game of hypothetical. Right, right. If they get past the Celtics. And look, I've had some people suggest to me that. And they're Boston people, that they did not want to see the Knicks in the conference finals, so they were thrilled that it was the Pacers. That's like, that's legit.
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Alan Rosenberg
Okay. But that doesn't mean they want.
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Peter Rosenberg
It doesn't mean. No, no, you're right. You're right. You're absolutely right. It doesn't mean that they. The Knicks would have won that series. In fact, again, at full health. It would have been fun to see it, though, right? At full health. But they weren't going to. They weren't at full health, so we never got to see it. So I don't. Again, fans play that game, Don. They play this game of, if all these things would have happened perfectly, we would have won. So it's someone's fault that I didn't get to have this perfect season. It doesn't work that way because that's.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, I'm a fan, so I'm speaking from experience. That's what we do. We take what our thoughts were in the moment and make them reality. It's the same thing with the Yankee fans. If Judge doesn't drop the ball, they beat the Dodgers. Well, maybe you would have won game five. That doesn't mean you would have won game six and seven. You might have felt like you would have. But that's not a guarantee. It's not a fait accompli at all. But that's the way you live. And now that becomes the reality. The judge cost them a championship. May it cost him. Game 5 didn't cost him a championship, but in your mind it did. In the Knicks mind, oh, if we're healthy, we beat the Pacers, we beat the Celtics, we beat the Mavericks, we win a championship, why do we break up that team? But that wasn't a reality, man. Same thing with like the jets in 2010, 09 and 2010. You think you're close, right? Oh, the Rangers last year. You think you're close, but you still had the Rangers still had to beat the Panthers, which they didn't. And then, oh, by the way, go to the Stanley Cup Final and beat Edmonton.
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Peter Rosenberg
McDavid, right.
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Alan Rosenberg
Oh, we would have beaten Edmonton. You might think so. And then that. Then over time, a whole summer on the beach in the pool. Now it becomes the reality. We would have beaten them, not maybe would. And now it's like, oh, we're close. I'm not getting on you. I get it. That's what kind of being a fan's about. But if that's going to stop you from enjoying this season, I think that you're really costing yourself a lot of fun.
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Peter Rosenberg
You don't wake up dreaming of McDonald's fries. You wake up dreaming of McDonald's hash browns. McDonald's breakfast comes first.
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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Caller
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Don Hahn
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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Peter Rosenberg
We don't talk about this band enough. Counting Crows. Fantastic. And the County Crows. By the way, they're bringing the Complete suites tour to PNC Bank Arts center on June 28 and Northwell at Jones Beach Theater, June 29. I'll be there. There's no doubt. I'll be there. It's a great venue, isn't it? ESPN New York has your chance to score tickets to the venue of your choice at the ESPN New York app. Of course, you have it on your phone, right? If you don't get it, then just find the contest tile and submit your entry. Brought to you by Live Nation. Tickets go on sale tomorrow at 10am Ticketmaster.com I saw counting Crows at Jones beach back in like 90 something. And you know Wallflower. Remember the Wallflowers?
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Caller
Oh, sure.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. They were Jacob Dylan. Yes. Right. They opened before and then there was this terrible, unbelievable, like, thunderstorm came through. It was summer, but just thought this concert was going to get rained out now. And so it's. But everybody hung out, like, just tried to huddle and stay dry and then go back to your area, wherever your seats were and stuff like that. Everybody soaked. Didn't matter at that point.
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Caller
Don, I had a. I had a text conversation with Ballard, who's.
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Peter Rosenberg
I'm gonna say sorry.
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Caller
Sorry, I thought you were wrapping that story. That was the end.
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Peter Rosenberg
Was I trying to finish the story? Was that text with Ballard that important?
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Caller
Well, it's about. It's about the subject at hand, so.
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Peter Rosenberg
Okay, well, I'll finish it quickly then, so we can get to this very important text. Anyways, got word that the concert would go on, and we had the set list, because you always get that. And the set list had a different set of songs to start. Instead, he starts with Rain King and it was like the most, like, just incredible. Just the way you open it up. Everybody's soaked, the lightning is still flashing in the background. And he comes out and sings Rain King right out of the gate. And, like the rest of the night was incredible. So they're a great show. Anyways, what did Ballard have to say?
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Caller
That we were texting about how bizarre your music taste is. And it felt. It felt nice to talk to a listener, Don, who could like, because Ballard's a real. He's a real listener and he's enjoying what's happening here with this. This dhr And I was just. We were just going back and forth about the randomness of Alan's taste.
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Peter Rosenberg
It really bothers people.
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Caller
It's not even about bothering. It's just like, sometimes it's, like, mind blowing. It's not a. It's not bad. It's not good. But you'll have a statement about music that will be, like, so great. And I'll be so in lockstep. And Don, the next thing he says makes me throw up in my mouth. Like, there's no consistency at all.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's like, here, for you, Peter. Just say. And Ballard, just so you know, I'm not here for you either, man.
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Caller
Oh, my God. I can't believe how much I love Come Clean by J. Ru the Damager. The only thing I like it as much as is is Oops, I Did It Again by Britney Spears. There's no way to follow this, man.
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Peter Rosenberg
I never said those words ever.
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Caller
You don't understand the point I'm making.
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Peter Rosenberg
I think I know the point you're trying to make. It's not going to disparage my taste of music.
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Alan Rosenberg
There's no disparaging.
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Caller
This is what. It's a clip.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's what I do.
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Caller
You played a cover yesterday.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yes. No, that was also, by the way, a parody. That was for fun.
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Caller
But, you know, you loved it in your house.
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Peter Rosenberg
I do love it. I love it because it's. Yeah, I love it.
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Caller
And I'm not saying it's even all.
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Peter Rosenberg
Bad, but I know it's awful. I know it's terrible, but that's why I played it, because it's so. It's. It's good and terrible.
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Caller
Good and terrible.
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Peter Rosenberg
Good and terrible. Like, that's. That's exactly why I played it. And I wanted to see how it would affect anybody.
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Caller
Don, you don't think this man has some of the weirdest taste you've ever seen in music?
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Alan Rosenberg
Oh, no, I wouldn't call it. It's eclectic. It's surprising sometimes to people because I think they pigeonholed Allen into being.
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Peter Rosenberg
Oh, I mean, white guy from Long Island. Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
And I rock with likes Iron Maiden.
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Peter Rosenberg
Sure.
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Alan Rosenberg
That he likes Counting Crows. Where it seems like on the air, at least I know Alan off the air. But like, on the air, it seemed like when you were talking about Bart, he always gave a lot more hip hop references.
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Peter Rosenberg
Mm.
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Alan Rosenberg
So I think it just surprises people. Just like it surprises people when Peter says he loves Paul Simon.
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Caller
No, but it's different. But it is different. You know what I'm saying?
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Alan Rosenberg
What what am I doing?
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Peter Rosenberg
What?
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Caller
Well, no, it's. It's that. It's that, yes, you're, You're. You and I are talking around things in a different way. What I'm saying is sometimes it's eclectically good, sometimes it is cringe and horrifying.
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Peter Rosenberg
That's what eclectic me. That's the definition of a collective. No, the whole idea is, is that it's. It is so all over the place that none of it makes sense and that doesn't appeal to everyone.
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Caller
But some.
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Peter Rosenberg
The whole point is, is that music is supposed to only appeal to me.
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Caller
But some.
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Peter Rosenberg
I'm not playing it for you. I'm playing it for me. Right.
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Caller
Some of it. Some of it's bad and people know and it's.
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Peter Rosenberg
So you're. You're suggesting Counting Crows is not good.
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Caller
Counting Crows. I'm not suggesting. Is. Is. No, listen, we're giving away tickets, right? I think it's tremendous, but.
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Peter Rosenberg
There you go.
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Caller
But no, I don't like, hate Counting Crows.
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Peter Rosenberg
What is that?
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Caller
I think you go into a whole story about the Counting Crows Wallflowers concert and the rain coming out like it.
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Peter Rosenberg
Was a tremendous night. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to share. Just sorry for you.
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Alan Rosenberg
I think what is being insulted here are the Counting Crows. They're not story worthy.
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Caller
No, no, it wasn't about the. The Counting Crows are not the worst things that. That.
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Peter Rosenberg
Alan, I don't know if maybe if you were there at the venue, soaking wet in the humid, humid summer of the 90s, not wearing a triple X T shirt because I didn't have to. And it's like, to me, it was a. Just a moment. That was awesome. And then he decides I'm ripping up the set list and I'm playing Rain King because these people are soaked and they stuck around for this show and we're going to give them a show. And it was intense. And if you know Rain King, you know how it begins, the first note and everybody's going crazy and it was a great night. It almost got ruined by weather and instead pretend I know it rains and tore it down.
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Caller
What if I don't know it rain?
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, if you don't, you know, that's why. Then later you'll just make a mental note and say, maybe I should play Rain King.
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Caller
Donnie, you a Rain King guy?
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Peter Rosenberg
Simple as that.
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Alan Rosenberg
I am not familiar.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, I have to be familiar with it. You don't have to.
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Alan Rosenberg
I respect my co host and his musical taste.
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Peter Rosenberg
And if there's somebody out There. That might be. Ballard does. Not that. Yeah, but. But if they know music and they know the Counting Crows, they might go ring. Oh, yeah. That's a good song. And that's all I'm doing.
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Caller
Ballard. Ballard just texted me. Counting Crows are a truly terrible band. I once heard them described as, quote, music for white guys who can't get laid. That is.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, which. Which, by the way, I can promise you, I don't fit that category well.
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Alan Rosenberg
But that ballad does.
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Caller
Well, that's. That's what. No. No, he doesn't. And by the way, neither is Alan, which is why you have to accept that maybe your music taste is cringe. It doesn't match the rest of you.
- [50:03]
Peter Rosenberg
That's what you have to understand now. It's cringe.
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Caller
Dancing in the Rain to Counting Crows is the most cringe nowadays I've ever heard.
- [50:12]
Peter Rosenberg
Now we're dancing now in the rain. That's what we're like.
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Caller
You were you there?
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Peter Rosenberg
You weren't even there. Here's the thing we're gonna do, Don. I'm gonna bring in a motion. All right? I'm gonna motion to the court. Ballard, text banned from the show.
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Caller
Oh, my God.
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Peter Rosenberg
Banned.
- [50:31]
Alan Rosenberg
It was. That's. That. It is aggressive. But Ballard, he kind of lost me on that, too, man.
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Caller
Come on, Don.
- [50:37]
Peter Rosenberg
You know, Done.
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Caller
If Don, if you weren't protecting. If you weren't protecting Alan, you would.
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Peter Rosenberg
Think that was funny.
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Caller
That is a funny text. Counting Crows being for white guys who can't get laid is a objectively funny text now, but they're not.
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Alan Rosenberg
A singer is of color.
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Caller
What does that matter?
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Peter Rosenberg
Huh? Interesting.
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Alan Rosenberg
I don't know what any of it matters. I think the County Crows are pretty solid. And I listen. I listen.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's fine. It's fine. We don't have to hear from Ballard ever again, which is awesome.
- [51:11]
Alan Rosenberg
If we put it to a vote, Ballard's in trouble. Yeah, but I love Ballard, so I'm going to not put it to a vote.
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Peter Rosenberg
Thank you. I just submitted a motion. It doesn't have to be passed. I just. Just. I'm on the record.
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Caller
Listen to all the audience out there. Who knows what I'm talking about. When Alan brings these bands up, you go, oh, my God, Alan, what are you talking about? I'm here for you. I'm here for you.
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Peter Rosenberg
Wow.
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Caller
You shouldn't be a.
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Alan Rosenberg
You're a music snob.
- [51:36]
Peter Rosenberg
And thank you, Don. Thank you.
- [51:38]
Alan Rosenberg
Yes.
- [51:39]
Peter Rosenberg
You're being that guy.
- [51:40]
Caller
I am.
- [51:41]
Peter Rosenberg
You are being that guy.
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Caller
I am that guy.
- [51:43]
Peter Rosenberg
I know you're that guy.
- [51:45]
Alan Rosenberg
This is. We all know you love the movie High Infidelity, the High Fidelity. Because they were music snobs.
- [51:49]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah, he's being Jack Black right now.
- [51:51]
Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Caller
I mean, I literally hang out at record stores. What? That's. That's kind of who I am now. I have my own bad moments. We all do, but I'm able to. I'm able to recognize them.
- [52:01]
Peter Rosenberg
He just won't stop talking. That's why you're fighting it.
- [52:07]
Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
- [52:11]
Peter Rosenberg
I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good.
- [52:13]
Don Hahn
Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.
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