Hour 1: What Are The Knicks?

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 1: What Are The Knicks?

ESPN New York | Air Date: February 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode wrestles with the big, hot-button question surrounding the New York Knicks: Who are they, really? Hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg, fresh off an ugly Knicks loss to the Cavaliers, dissect the team’s maddening inconsistency, the differences in coaching philosophies post-Tom Thibodeau, and the perennial anxiety of Knicks fandom. Are the Knicks a legit championship contender, or just another team that teases and frustrates? Through caller insights, sharp banter, and trademark self-deprecating humor, the crew debates what it will take for the Knicks to get over the hump—or even just figure out what they’re all about.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Knicks’ Identity Crisis (00:44 - 14:00)

• Ugly Cleveland Loss and What It Means

  • The show launches with Alan Hahn’s scathing review of the previous night's Knicks-Cavs game:

    "If you never watched basketball and went to that game last night...you would think basketball is a horrible sport." (00:44, Allen Hahn)

  • The theme immediately emerges: inconsistency. How can a team that sometimes “looks like the best team in the world” (02:46, Don Hahn) turn in such lackluster performances against lottery teams and contenders?

• Championship Ceiling or Pretender?

  • Don is blunt about the team’s ceiling:

    "What they continue to prove to you in a big spot is they're not a championship team...they don't play consistent enough for me to believe this team can win a championship." (01:58, Don Hahn)

  • The crew jokes about the Knicks' unpredictability:

    "I'll lock. Lock it. They beat the Spurs Sunday." (02:46, Don Hahn)
    "Because that's a game, for some reason, they'll ratchet it up." (02:48, Don Hahn)

2. Mike Brown vs. Tom Thibodeau: Systems & 'Switch-Flipping' (03:41 - 09:16)

• Are Coaching Changes Making a Difference?

  • Alan asks if this version of the Knicks is any different than last year under Thibodeau, or if the team's problems run deeper than the coach:

    "Is it fair at this point to start looking at Mike Brown, or is this who the team was last year?" (03:41, Allen Hahn)

• Player Motivation vs. Coach's Style

  • Peter compares Thibodeau’s relentless, sometimes exhausting approach with Mike Brown’s more laid-back, veteran-friendly style:

    "One coach is driving them every night, the other coach is like, I'll push in April, this is not the time." (06:48, Peter Rosenberg)

  • Don cautions against thinking the approach can just “switch on” come playoff time:

    "When you keep flipping the switch on and off, at some point...the light's gonna go off." (09:16, Don Hahn)

3. The Carl Anthony Towns Disappearing Act & Offensive Struggles (04:17 - 13:22)

• Towns' Absence and Offense Stalls

  • Peter points out Carl Anthony Towns’ frustrating stat line:

    "4 in the first quarter. Doesn't take another shot until the second half...29 minutes, one shot." (04:30, Peter Rosenberg)

  • Third-quarter woes: failed to generate points, couldn't make threes, Towns disappeared, offense stagnated.

• Coaching Accountability

  • Peter wonders why Brown didn't force more involvement for Towns:

    "Doesn't there have to be a moment after this weekend...that you bang a timeout in the second quarter when he hasn't shot...and go, you here. You gonna play like you, you want the ball. Like, let's go?" (10:29, Peter Rosenberg)

  • Mike Brown’s own words:

    "We made some play calls tonight, but we didn't generate anything from the calls that we made." (12:28, Mike Brown via Allen Hahn)

  • The consensus: This team lacks a clear offensive identity and fails to press advantages, raising playoff anxiety.

4. Is the Problem The Knicks' Mentality? (13:22 - 17:53)

• Veteran 'Cruise Control'?

  • Don and Peter explore whether this is a veteran team intentionally pacing itself, or a group simply unable to deliver consistency:

    "But what if the inconsistency is not by choice, it's just something that's in them and they can't play consistently every night, then that's something that necessarily can't be corrected." (16:38, Don Hahn)

  • The hosts lament how NBA regular seasons are plagued by load management and “third game in four nights” fatigue, diluting supposedly “big games.”

• Fan Frustration & Expectations

  • Alan teases the notion of the "big game" being rendered meaningless by Knicks' unpredictability.

5. Callers' Insight: Fanbase Split, Optimism vs. Cynicism (19:02 - 36:33)

• Caller #1 (Jason, East Windsor):

  • Sees the team as fine, just needing OG to get healthy; chalks inconsistency up to a difference from Thibodeau’s era.
    • "I think they're going to be fine. OG's going to get back to shooting...I'm not worried about it." (19:38, Jason)

• Host Rebuttal:

  • Alan firmly pushes back:

    "But what has this team accomplished that they can take nights off? Plus they're not even guaranteed to be a top three team." (19:57, Allen Hahn)

• General Theme:

  • Some fans believe the Knicks are holding back, not showing their full hand before playoffs. Hosts counter that the team hasn't earned the leeway to coast.
    • "You have not won a quarter against Detroit this year. Not a quarter." (22:53, Allen Hahn)

6. The East vs. West & Star Power Disparities (23:13 - 24:21)

• Allen and Peter discuss the NBA landscape:
  • "You look at the top five teams [in the West], every team is either great, filled with stars, or both...The only true brand name team in the east is...the Celtics." (23:15, Allen Hahn & Peter Rosenberg)
• Acknowledgment that the East's lack of star power and clear identities makes the playoff picture wide open—yet also more unpredictable and suspect.

7. The ‘If You Don’t Know, That’s Your Answer’ Maxim (28:13 - 32:21)

• Alan brings up a classic maxim:

  "If you don't know the answer, that's your answer." (28:29, Allen Hahn)

• Discussion of what toughness means and why the Knicks too easily “settle” for threes instead of fighting inside, evoking Rocky Balboa:

  "Are you willing to take the hits and keep moving forward?... they're not." (32:05, Caller)

8. The Infamous “Blind Radio” Call & Comic Relief (38:35 - 49:52)

• A blind caller critiques radio play-by-play and color, not realizing who handles TV vs. radio; conversation veers off before becoming awkward and then hilarious:

  "You do color...on TV." (39:22, Caller)
  Hosts riff on culture, taste, and what listeners demand from broadcasts.

9. The 'Southern Accent' Running Joke (36:59 and throughout)

• Peter keeps unintentionally slipping into a southern accent, and the guys milk it for comic effect:

  "Allen became Trans Regional, which I didn't even know was a thing." (47:07, Allen Hahn)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Inconsistency:

  "Inconsistency is one of the number one killers of championships because you got to find some consistency, and they just don't." (09:48, Don Hahn)

• On Team Mentality:

  "Just when you're ready to bend a knee and show them the ring and make the commitment, they do what they did last night or they do what they did against the Detroit Pistons." (03:17, Don Hahn)

• On Coaching Styles:

  "Tom Thibodeau drove this team night after night after night. No nights off, back to back. Nobody's resting...Mike Brown comes in. I don't see him driving this team." (06:27–06:48, Peter Rosenberg)

• On 'Switch-Flipping':

  "When you keep flipping the switch on and off, at some point...the light's gonna go off." (09:16, Don Hahn)

• On Team Identity:

  "They're great and they're bad is the widest gap of any of the contending teams, in my opinion." (13:13, Peter Rosenberg)

• On Fan Cynicism:

  "I keep looking. I still haven't won a championship since '73." (20:50, Don Hahn)

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Callers' Takeaways

• Split Fanbase: Some are patient, trusting the team is holding back strategically. Others are jaded by decades of heartbreak and see fatal flaws resurfacing.
• Toughness vs. Skill: Multiple callers and hosts discuss whether the Knicks have the mental toughness to succeed in postseason, or if they're doomed to be a “good, skilled team” but not a “great” one.

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Tone, Language, and Chemistry

• Gorgeously New York: Fast-paced, sarcastic, and raw, the banter reflects classic NYC sports talk—equal parts complaint, wisecracks, and passionate, circular debate.
• Plenty of humor and inside jokes (southern accent, broadcasting jibes).
• Despite the heat, the tone is optimistic—no one's abandoned hope. The hosts and listeners are still deeply invested in figuring out what exactly these Knicks can (or can't) become.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:44 – Alan’s opening take on the Knicks-Cavs “ugly” game
• 01:58 – Don’s assessment: not a championship team
• 04:17 – Coaching comparisons: Brown vs. Thibodeau
• 10:29 – Towns’ offensive vanishing act, coach involvement
• 13:22 – Identity and inconsistency, skepticism about “switch-flipping”
• 19:02 – First key caller on fan optimism and expectations
• 28:29 – “If you don’t have the answer, that’s your answer” maxim
• 32:05 – Rocky Balboa reference about Knicks’ toughness
• 38:35 – Comic relief: blind listener critiques broadcasts
• 47:07 – “Trans Regional” accent joke

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Summary

This episode is a focused, honest (and very New York) therapy session for Knicks fans. The takeaways? The Knicks veer wildly between brilliance and ineptitude, giving fans whiplash. Coaching changes haven't solved the underlying issues—if anything, they may be accentuating the team’s lack of intensity and unclear identity. The core question, voiced explicitly and implicitly throughout the hour: if we're still asking what are the Knicks by late February, isn't that itself the answer? Despite all, fans and hosts still hold onto hope April will bring out a team with purpose—but for now, the Knicks remain New York’s most compelling sports puzzle.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

5:00am I'm up with a crisp Celsius energy drink running 12 miles today. Grab a green juice, quick change and head to work. Meetings, workshops. One more Celsius. No slowing down. Working late, but obviously still meeting the girls for a little dancing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Celsius live fit.

[Don Hahn]

Go grab a cold refreshing Celsius at your local retailer or locate [e-mail].

[Peter Rosenberg]

done.

[Don Hahn]

I'll be licking the television screen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Licking it like it's ice cream con. Oh, the type of music I listen to would make you and Rosenberg, I

[Allen Hahn]

expect to be called ball coach. This isn't North Dakota, this is New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Don Han and Rosenberg.

[Caller/Listener]

The best threesome I've ever heard on

[Peter Rosenberg]

ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube. 301 in the big city. There you go with Don Lagreca. Peter Rosenberg, I'm Allen Hahn. 800-93776 is the number. I said this last night on the post game show on msg and I just said if you never watched basketball and went to that game last night and at the end of that game I told you these are two of the better teams in the east and two of the best teams in the NBA, you would think basketball is a horrible sport. I mean, Donnie, that was an awful basketball game. Someone had to win it. Cleveland did.

[Allen Hahn]

We hyped up, we hyped up a hot heap of track.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you kidding me? Like we, I said, Peto said that he's like, we really hyped this thing up. And then getting two of the best

[Allen Hahn]

teams in the league.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh my God. Like you would think that they'd be playing for something. And it was like it was a, it was a throwaway game up in Rochester. Like it was just one of those nights that nothing was going right. Ugly basketball. And now I, I need other people to tell me what they see because I don't know anymore. This is the most mercurial team that I think I've ever been around.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I will say this and I believe and you guys can correct me if I'm wrong or if you disagree that I've defended this team and I believed in this team and I always talked about not same old Knicks and all that. And I do believe they're a really good team. What they continue to prove to you in a big spot is they're not a championship team. Now they may take advantage of Indiana and Boston situation with their injured players and maybe there's the feeling that the east is a little bit more wide open than it should be going into the season, but they don't play consistent enough for me to believe this team can win a championship. They just don't. You know, a no show against Detroit, a no show against Cleveland, but then they'll show up and look like the best team in the world. Like, I'll. I'll lock. Lock it. They beat the Spurs Sunday.

[Allen Hahn]

Lock. Lock.

[Don Hahn]

Because that's a game. For some reason, they'll ratchet it up, but they're just too many nights off. There's too much inconsistency to make me believe that they're going to be able to string together 16 wins and win a championship.

[Allen Hahn]

So are you. Are you feeling. Are you feeling last night was some level of vindication for what Stephen A. Said last week?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely added fuel now. I think he was more specific to they can't beat Detroit. Sure. What I'm saying is, yeah, now you

[Allen Hahn]

can't be Cleveland, but now.

[Don Hahn]

But. And I just think that they're just maddeningly inconsistent. Yeah, they. Too many. Like I said, they'll beat the spurs, they'll crush the Lakers like they did on national television a couple of weeks ago. But then just when you're ready to fall in love, just when you're ready to bend a knee and show them the ring and make the commitment, they do what they did last night or they do what they did against the Detroit Pistons.

[Allen Hahn]

So let me ask you. Let me ask question. Let me ask the question. I'm gonna ask it to both of you. Is it fair at this point to start looking at Mike Brown, or is this who the team was last year? That's.

[Don Hahn]

That.

[Allen Hahn]

That is the main question I have. Is this who they were under Tibbs? And then. And then, because this is who they were, they went and cried about it and got Tibbs up out of here.

[Don Hahn]

Great question.

[Allen Hahn]

Now they brought in someone else and they're the same group. Or is it Don that they are actually a worse team and unable to come up in big spots because of Mike Brown? Wow.

[Don Hahn]

It's a great question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It really is a great question because that's the. The biggest change that was made is that. And Carl Anthony Towns has a great weekend. Has everybody believing that maybe he's turned the corner. He has.

[Don Hahn]

Goes 4.

[Peter Rosenberg]

4 in the first quarter. Doesn't take another shot until the second half. Takes One shot.

[Don Hahn]

One.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's it. 29 minutes, one shot.

[Allen Hahn]

Well, the third quarter was 11 points, right? Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And he was playing. He was out. He was on the floor.

[Allen Hahn]

But when you have horrible Third quarters, if it's the NFL.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they don't. Now that's one thing I will say in general. What happened last night? Usually they're a very good third quarter team. What happened? I don't. Like I said, what did he say?

[Allen Hahn]

What did they do in there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. Here's his answer to what happened in the third quarter. Because honestly, it just looked like they couldn't make a shot. Again, our pace was not good at all, whether in the full court or even in the half court. I mean, they scored 23 points and we scored 11. And so, you know, there were some

[Allen Hahn]

things that we could have done better

[Peter Rosenberg]

defensively, granted, but our offense was non existent. And terms of the pace, our ability

[Allen Hahn]

to touch the paint, play off a

[Peter Rosenberg]

2 and spray the basketball, us making

[Allen Hahn]

quick, you know, decisions with it, whether

[Peter Rosenberg]

to shoot it or to drive it

[Allen Hahn]

or, or move it, all that stuff came to play in that third quarter for us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Offensively, that, that sounds like a team that didn't have enough intensity, didn't have the right intensity to play coming out of the half. Never mind how they looked throughout the first half of that. They were 1 for 10 from 3 in that quarter. 1 for 10 from 3. They couldn't make a 3. And I've. That's the thing I worry about the most when they don't make their threes. Something affects them a different team. But the question is fair because, you know, that's the only change they've made. So there's going to be a lot of people looking at Mike Brown. Now my theory is this. And you guys can tell me if I'm crazy. The only if you're. I'm going to try to find an optimistic theory. So here it is. Tom Thibodeau drove this team night after night after night. No nights off, back to back. Nobody's resting. We're playing. We play to win tonight. We worry about tomorrow, another day.

[Allen Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like that was always his way. Drove this team hard. And a lot of people thought in the playoffs that kind of hard driving during the regular season eventually caught up to them in the postseason. That was the theory about Tom Thibodeau. Mike Brown comes in. I don't see him driving this team.

[Allen Hahn]

No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, I mean, he coaches him, you know, it's not like he's being, you know, sitting back, but when they have nights like this, you know, you heard him, but you heard how he's talking, you know, we didn't do this, we didn't do that. Like, okay, you told us what didn't happen, what was going on mentally with your team. You know, is this him saying this is February might look like a big game on the board, but I need this team to be healthy and strong and this is a veteran team. Veteran teams do this where they're like, man, you guys think this is a big game. You know, I'm a week off from coming back from the beach, so I'm not right yet. I'm not ready to care every single night. Is this sort of the difference in coaching? One coach is driving them every night, the other coach is like, I'll push in April, this is not the time. So you're saying to push these guys. So that's all I got?

[Allen Hahn]

Well, no, and the annoying part about that, it's totally reasonable. But the annoying part is that means we can't really have the Mike Brown

[Don Hahn]

conversation until after the playoffs or Nick conversation or I'm wrong.

[Allen Hahn]

You might be, but still we won't know Don til we get to the playoffs and they're more up for it.

[Don Hahn]

The answer is never just one thing. The one thing to defend Mike Brown is I don't think he's doing anything wrong. It's just that maybe it's not about the coach. You know, maybe, maybe Thibodeau drove them because he knew, hey, I know this group and you got to do that with them because if you don't, if you're not on them, they're going to take nights off. And obviously that bothered them and it weakened them down the stretch. And then comes Mike Brown. And you always, when you fire one coach, the next guy that comes in is supposed to be the polar opposite, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

When you've got a guy like Thibodeau, you bring in a player's coach the next time around. But it's the same things happening. It's just looking different. It's not the same reasons, it's not the same breakdown. You know, they don't play as well defensively. It's a different system. So it's not really system, it's just that it's, it's about the players just deciding that they're not going to bring it every night and the same thing is starting to happen. Thibodeau's way of doing is drive them harder. Mike Brown's like, yeah, just lay off them. Come April, we'll hit the switch, we'll get on them and we'll find out to Peter's point, let's see if it works come April. I know from following sports as long as I have. When you keep flipping the switch on and off, at some point you flip it on and it doesn't come back on. You know, you short circuit things when you keep. If you go into a room, keep flicking the switch on and off, eventually the light's gonna go off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Circuit. Right.

[Don Hahn]

You know, because you go to turn it back on. Like I said, book it. They're beating the Spurs. Book it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Book it.

[Allen Hahn]

No, no, no. Don't say it. Don't talk about it. Go on Fanduel, and show us something.

[Don Hahn]

Do it.

[Allen Hahn]

You're. No, no, You.

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You.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're booking it.

[Allen Hahn]

You want me, I can do it for you. My account's active. You. You want to give me the money?

[Don Hahn]

Lock it, lock it, lock it. Three bills. Not $100.

[Allen Hahn]

Three bills or 300 bills. I mean, 300 or 100.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, feel that good about it. What is. What is even the spread?

[Allen Hahn]

I'm gonna tell you right now.

[Don Hahn]

It is a. Tell me. I'm not. Tell me. I'm wrong. It's a lock. And then they'll. And then they'll. They lose to Utah in a couple of weeks. Because that's what's crazy about this team is inconsistency is one of the number one killers of championships because you got to find some consistency, and they just don't. They don't do it.

[Allen Hahn]

And not only that, it's one of the number one signs that a team's not a championship team. Yes, we talk about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or they're just not connect. Like, whatever.

[Allen Hahn]

Something's off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Something's. That's. It. It's just something's off. Because the Towns thing, that's the one that really got me. Got off to a good start. Four for four or three, whatever it was.

[Don Hahn]

Three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, four for four. First quarter, you know, now, they weren't great in the first quarter, but it was all right. You were figuring, all right, they got to get some rhythm. Brunson wasn't good from start to finish. He just. He had a bad game, and all of a sudden it just. Towns didn't shoot. And that's when I think the coach thing comes in, because a lot of times the coach thing will be, hey, we're running our offense, and it's up to the player to be aggressive. But doesn't there have to be a moment after this weekend and seeing the numbers that he was able to put up and trying to get him right, that you bang a timeout in the second quarter when he hasn't shot the ball in three minutes. And you sit down and you sit right in front of him and you go, you here. You gonna play like you, you want the ball. Like, let's go. And maybe you do have to call his number. Maybe every now and then it's like, all right, I need to call his number. I need to get him on the post, and I need to get him going. And that doesn't happen. And that's so I, I, that's when I questioned the coach, like, so, so I was wondering this, what Mike Brown was going to say to that. The fact that four shots in the first half, only one in the second half, that they, they couldn't score. I'm not talking about defense because their defense held them to 49 points in the second half. I think it was 52 in the first half. Like, this was not a defensive issue. Scored 11 points in the third quarter. Like, this was a bigger issue with offense, flow and your best players not having. Remember what Shaq said to Towns. You got to be dominant every night. Brunson's gonna get all the credit all the time. Fine. But you have to be dominant for this team to win. And this was almost like a choice to just not be dominant against a team of two soft big men who also did not really have great games. So here's Mike Brown, when asked about, like, could you have gotten Towns more opportunities on offense? Yeah, I know. For, for sure. And, and, you know, we, no matter

[Allen Hahn]

what we did, we either turned the ball over or we had a tough shot. And so we made some play calls tonight, but we didn't generate anything from the calls that we made.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he's saying, I did call place for the guy. We got nothing out of it. So that's where this team is right now, still trying to find itself, and we're almost in March. That's the frustrating thing about this team is there, and I think I've said this before, they're great and they're bad, is the widest gap of any of the contending teams, in my opinion. It's such a large gap between those two extremes of who they are that you honestly don't know from night to night, what are you going to get? Even from half to half. Like, you saw the Rockets game from half to half, you didn't know what you were going to get.

[Allen Hahn]

So that's a, that's a problematic thing. It is a lack of identity.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hard to trust a team like this, is what you guys are saying. And I agree.

[Don Hahn]

And that Rocket game was kind of a microcosm of the Celtics series from last year because there was inconsistency there, too. But they found a way to fight back. And maybe they believed themselves a little bit too much. Maybe they're reading their press clippings. They believe they're a team that can play with their food because they're that good. Well, we'll see. Well, to Peter's point, we'll see come April.

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because now you're not going to be able to take nights off. No, it's the best of seven series, and we'll see. You know, this might cost them a chance to finish it with the two seed, or are they just looking at the schedule going, I will go five and five in the gauntlet, but look how easy the rest of the schedule is going to be. And we'll be fine. We'll finish as a two seed. You don't have to worry about us falling to the four. Maybe that's the case. Whoever they play, if you decide to take nights off and you lose games you're not supposed to, that's how you lose series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I've told. I can tell you, these guys don't look at the schedule. Half the time you're like, oh, next week when you're here, oh, I don't. I don't even know who we play next week. Like, they don't really do that.

[Don Hahn]

But do they? I agree with you. But do they know this is the hard part, but then it gets easier. Maybe they don't know where.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who. Right.

[Don Hahn]

But they've been told, hey, guys, these. These. These first 10 games coming out of the break are going to be a beast. But don't Worry, after those 10, it's, you can cruise.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going to.

[Don Hahn]

Could have been said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going to hate this. But what I think this team does is they see, wait, we got three games in four nights on the road back to back, and then we go play again. So that's. Now, what was that? Four games in six nights on the road. Yeah, it's like. Like, it's almost like that. That's the part where they want to, like, they rather dial back instead of fight through it because the toughness of the schedule wears you down. And they know. One thing I know this team felt when they left last year's series against the Pacers is they felt like we did not have enough in the tank. And that's probably one of the main reasons why Tom Thibodeau is no longer the coach. And that's something that I'm wondering. And that could also come back to haunt them, because you need to be sharp when April comes. Not figuring it out, not ramping it up then. So there's. There's so much about this team we don't know. And every time they do or they win or lose, we think we know. But it is. Like I said, I'm open to anybody else's opinion on this because I watch this team every single game. And what I watched last night, I just kept shaking my head like I. Like, not. Not a single guy's. Like, I'm. No. I'm not letting this happen. Not a single guy said, wait. The Cavs. Look at the way they're playing. They are ready to be taken. We could have easily won this game. Not one guy's like, I'm not letting us lose this game.

[Allen Hahn]

Isn't that supposed to be the Alvarado edge?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He wasn't good either. That's what I mean. Like, it was a weird. Everything about it was weird. Guys like him weren't punchy enough. It just. I don't know what to make.

[Don Hahn]

But if this is the case. And again, the glass half full of. What you're saying is that it's a choice. It's a conscious choice to not bring it every night. So don't worry. Come April, we'll be fine, and we'll turn it back on and we'll keep it on. But what if the inconsistency is not by choice, it's just something that's in them and they can't play consistently every night, then that's something that necessarily can't be corrected. Yeah, but if you're going to tell me that they're going to turn up, then stop. We got to stop with this Big game tonight. Measuring stick. No.

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah, I guess not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, I. I can't. Because for me, as a broadcaster, you have to do it every night. Like, I'm looking at matchups like, this is a good one. This is a good one. This should be a good one. And then it's like, nope, not. Not a good one either.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's what I'm saying. It should be. I mean, that's how we. Our instinct always is. You see a matchup and you don't think about when it is. You don't think if it's on national television like that. It's a good matchup today.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, throughout the years. Oh, you know, Cowboys, Giants, a good matchup. You know, Celtics, Lakers. That's a good matchup. Canadians, Maple, Leaf, that's a good matchup. But now I guess the way regular seasons are in sports, not football because there's only 17 games. But in the other sports it's, you know, who's playing the third game in four nights, who's playing in the second to back to backs, who's nursing some sort of an injury, who's load managing. It doesn't necessarily end up being a big game. And that's the shame of it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry. Knicks cabs. That's something to get excited about, right?

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Nothing else going on really. Last night. Olympics are over. Hockey still had another day off. Let me watch. Knicks Cavs big game. Right. And then you watch two teams that didn't seem like they wanted it. And that's disappointing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it absolutely was. And by the way, coming out of this game, so the Cavs feeling really good about life, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's six and one now since the Harden trade. Six and one tied. Tied. The Knicks now for third in the East. And then this little nugget from Sham Sharania.

[Allen Hahn]

Oh, here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

James Harden sustained a fracture in his right thumb during the Tuesday's win over the Knicks. Undergoing further evaluations and treatment like you dream about, like just when they think they're getting it right now, they lose him. Who knows for how long, depending on what the fracture is and what kind of, you know, results it's going to need. But it's on his hand, so he can't shoot. Handle the basketball, all those things. Watch them lose him now for a little while. NBA is weird, man. 800 now we're not. 3, 7, 7, 6. Let's get some calls on this because a lot of you want to sound off. Jason. And East Windsor is going to start us off. Jason.

[Caller/Listener]

Gentlemen, how are we doing today?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good.

[Allen Hahn]

Hey, bud.

[Caller/Listener]

So obviously Nick talk. I'm just. You guys started off by saying these big games and everything, right? I just don't think there are any big games in a regular season anymore. This coach doesn't demand them to be consistent. He doesn't demand them to give effort on a regular basis. It's different than what we're used to over the last five years with TIBs. That's why it's hard for us to figure it out. I think they're going to be fine. OG's going to get back to shooting the ball well again. He always takes a little bit of time coming out of the office. Injuries. Happens every year. I'm not worried about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, not worried about it.

[Caller/Listener]

I know you guys are.

[Allen Hahn]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

I hear you guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, listen, there's.

[Allen Hahn]

There's another angle. There's another angle to this, which is, hey, I don't have a sports talk radio shoot show to do every day. I don't need an angle to discuss it. I choose to go with. I'm a fan. I'm away for the playoffs and see how they do. I get it. It's not, that's not unreasonable.

[Don Hahn]

But what has this team accomplished that they can take nights off? Plus they're not even guaranteed to be a top three team. I would think any fan logically would want to try to avoid having to play Detroit in the second round. That game last night might have cost you a chance to do that.

[Caller/Listener]

I'm not worried about Detroit. Like, I know you. I know they're big, they're tough, blah, blah, blah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love it.

[Caller/Listener]

Everything they possibly can to beat the Knicks in three games. They have won at least seven different defenses at them throughout those games.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Caller/Listener]

The Knicks are playing vanilla Detroit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That is true. Yeah. That, that. We've talked about that, Jason. And thank you. Jason's got the optimism. He knows that Mike Brown doesn't run. Please. Not running plays. He's not showing his hand against Detroit. And Detroit is just playing all out because they just, they just want to kill.

[Don Hahn]

That's the narrative that Nick fans like to have. These games don't matter to us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is, this is copy.

[Don Hahn]

I keep looking. I still haven't won a championship since 73, you know, and I heard the same talk when they beat the Celtics last year. Oh, we're going to beat the Pacers. And then you don't beat the Pacers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, at some point it ends up rearing its ugly head. That's why I said this same team will go out there and end up beating the spurs, you know, because they can do that. That's what's so maddening. And it's the same with the playoffs. Everybody and their mother thought they're cruising.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

To the final and they're gonna beat

[Peter Rosenberg]

the Pacers and they blew a 10 point lead.

[Don Hahn]

Well, you know the same thing where they were facing the Heat. Remember Michael K on his show? I guarantee the Knicks are gone because, oh, you're gonna beat the Heat. No. And you didn't beat the Heat. You know, that's the inconsistency of this team. So, yeah, maybe Detroit is no concern. Maybe Detroit is everything the Cavaliers were last year. A great regular season team. And it won't happen in the Postseason. But maybe it'll be the Celtics that knock you out. Or maybe it'll be somebody you're not expecting to knock you out. Toronto. So you're not concerned about Detroit. So it sounds like he's just waiting for Spurs, Thunder, a team that has not gone to an NBA final since 1999. He's locking it down. Spurs, Thunder, final. He's not concerned. All right, I'll believe it. Okay, well, good for you. I wish I could be that optimistic about everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Same.

[Don Hahn]

You know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I wish I could too. But as Spike Lee always says, orange and blue skies for some people. That's what they see. I mean, listen, hey, I hope you're right.

[Allen Hahn]

I think I put some good money on dispersed under Western Conference final, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we need that.

[Allen Hahn]

But that would be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We need that.

[Don Hahn]

That would be fun. I love Nick fans.

[Allen Hahn]

Although Houston would be fun too, if they somehow getting to see KD going to give it a shot with.

[Don Hahn]

But the talk sometimes, and I love it. I love the optimism. I do. But you know, you're not like talking about the Golden State warriors dynasty here. You know, we're talking about a team that went to the third round for the first time in 25 years. I know now you're lying. No concern. Oh, it's all. And I agree. Alan agreed, too. They play vanilla. Detroit wants the game. You have not won a quarter against Detroit this year. Not a quarter.

[Allen Hahn]

That's. That's. Some would say last year you got

[Don Hahn]

dominated by the Celtics and took a game to overtime and actually won five of the 17 quarters in this series. You've lost all 12 quarters.

[Allen Hahn]

It's not great. Real quick, we got a break and we have much more calls to get to. We're excited to talk to all of you. Man, when you look at the west, they're just so much. The west is so much more intriguing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It always is. It always, always is.

[Allen Hahn]

I mean, just looking, you look at the top five teams, every team is either great, filled with stars, or both.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Allen Hahn]

And then outside of the top five, you still have the Lakers, the Warriors

[Peter Rosenberg]

and like other intriguing teams.

[Allen Hahn]

It's just crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Brand names all over the place.

[Allen Hahn]

The only true brand name like team in the east is. Is in terms of what they're built of is kind of the Celtics.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Allen Hahn]

Everybody else is kind of like they're a couple good players.

[Don Hahn]

All the players are out there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, all the players.

[Don Hahn]

Tatum out of the east, right?

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah. And Brown. You got to include Brown in that conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You take those two out.

[Allen Hahn]

Right, Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tatum and Halliburton are out right now. So there's two less stars.

[Allen Hahn]

Yes. Oh, sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're taking them out of the equation. And it's just. You're right again. Casual sports fan who doesn't really follow the NBA could name way more players in the west than they could in the East. That's the reality. But all you got to do is just win the east and there's your next step. But the Knicks right now looking like a team that again, they're. They're great and they're bad, are so far apart. It's. They could get to the finals. They could also be out in the first round. What's the issue that you see?

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[Allen Hahn]

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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. What are the Knicks? What are they? I keep like I can give you stats and tell you going into last night's game, in the last 15 games, they and the Cavs, the only two teams in the league that had 12 wins, 12 and three. The Knicks had the number one defense in the NBA in that stretch of games. Like I can give you all these things that make it sound like this is a really good team. And I've been trying to say that every time we really go doom and gloom, but here I am. I'm testifying right now. You can watch our postgame show MSG, go to YouTube. Our first segment is there. Me, Wally, Bill, Monica, and all of us unbelievably perplexed, all of us trying to figure it out. Like, what the hell was that?

[Allen Hahn]

Let me ask you a question.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's what we're trying to ask everybody. 800-919-3776 ton of calls. We're going to get to them momentarily right now.

[Allen Hahn]

Don, real quick. Don, my, my best line maybe I've ever had in the history of the show history of the show about quarterbacks, about finding a quarterback on a team. Do you remember what the line was? No if you don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I knew it. Oh, yeah.

[Allen Hahn]

If you don't have the answer, that's your answer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, right.

[Allen Hahn]

Do you start thinking that about this team?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the problem is you should know what they are.

[Allen Hahn]

So is this what they are?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's the thing is, are they a championship team? That doesn't look like it. It doesn't look like it. It doesn't mean they can't do it. It just doesn't look like it. I think that's the right answer. Bill and South Hold. Bill, what do you got for us?

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, what's going on, guys? How you doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good.

[Caller/Listener]

Good. Yeah, I'm with you guys. I was watching the game last night and I was just like, what am I even watching at this point? I mean, if you can't get up for a game like that where you're battling for playoff positioning, I know it's a regular season, but like, against a conference rival, I mean, when can you get up?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Caller/Listener]

It's just like really, really uninspired play. And I think it's just taking the lead from the head coach. I mean, Thibodeau would will them. And I was kind of fed up with Thibodeau myself after the playoffs last year. And I thought it was a fireable offense, the way he coached and the way that he played his roster. But when they hired Mike Brown, I was just like, that's it. That's the end right there. Like, that's going to be the nail in the coffin for this team because he's an awful coach, in my opinion. And I just. I'm not seeing how they're going to be able to flip the switch heading into the playoffs and all of a sudden become this, you know, powerhouse team. And I think it's like, these are the games where you need to test yourself. And if Mike Brown isn't going to test his own team, when's it going to happen?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a great question. And I think there have been moments this season he has pushed him. He has tested them. There are moments this season where they have flipped the switch. We have seen it in a lot of games. But that last night, and I'll add this, the atmosphere in that building, like that's normally a loud building in Cleveland. Very loud, and their team has been on a roll. You'd think that place would be raucous. Loud, it seemed on tv. Anybody watching last night, correct me if I'm wrong, but we had it on in the studio and it just didn't Sound like there was, like, this intensity, right? So I asked Tyler Murray, the great radio voice of the Knicks, right?

[Allen Hahn]

Fantastic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I just text him. I go, how's the building? He's like, it's a little quiet. So the whole mood, the whole thing, like, if I'm in Cleveland doing Cleveland radio, I'd be wondering about the Cavs right now. I would say, like, yeah, they won, but that. That was garbage, that game. They were terrible in that game. They won because the Knicks were awful. But, you know, and now you lost Harden for who knows how long, so. But anyway, the loss is the loss, and that's what we're trying to figure out is what is this team? Paul in Florida, you're up next, Paul.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, guys. Love the show. How are you today?

[Don Hahn]

Good, good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Trying to figure it out. Paul, help us out.

[Caller/Listener]

My opinion on it is that they're one of those teams that they have the skill all over the place, but they don't seem to have the toughness. Not just physical, but mental. The Detroit game, for me, was the most startling part, was when they went in the paint. They scored, whether they were jumpers or to the hoop. But when they settled for the threes, they just weren't dropping. And you could just see it. Every time they came down, they just launch a 3, launch a 3. Almost like what Boston did against us in the. In the playoffs last year, but they were scoring in the paint, so it would be one thing if you couldn't do it in there, but they can. They're just not willing to take the hits in there. Almost like you had on your old show. You had the Rocky Bob over there. Are you willing to take the hits and keep moving forward?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right? They're not.

[Don Hahn]

They.

[Caller/Listener]

They're not. And so will they develop that in a playoff series? That's. That's like our only hope. Or like what the other caller said, that Mike Brown's playing chess, not showing anything till we get to the playoffs. But I think they're that team. They're a good team, skilled team. But the toughness it gets to takes to get through three, four rounds. I just don't think they have it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, that's. Go ahead, Donnie. That feels like a common theme here, doesn't it?

[Don Hahn]

The positive is from that last caller who said that just, everything will be fine come April. They'll turn it on. They weren't showing anything against Detroit. They don't want to tip their hand. But the other is that they can't do it. They can't play consistently so maybe it is just a flip of the switch and they'll be fine. But I just. I don't feel. I don't figure that they've accomplished enough to play. That's. Usually teams that have won championships, they get bored in a regular season. Like the Florida Panthers in the regular season. They didn't win the division last year. I think they finished in third. It didn't matter to them because they know that they could do it. Does this team know they can do it when they've never done it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. How can you.

[Allen Hahn]

You can't. You can't say you can switch. You've never turned the switch on.

[Don Hahn]

It's convenient too, right, Peter, that. Oh, we'll turn it off against Cleveland. We'll turn it off against Detroit. Are you turning it off or like, hey, I don't want to really turn it on and then get beat by 10, so let's just put 10. Would it just be vanilla? Let's not try. So we could also fall back on the bat. We don't want to tip our hand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do we really.

[Don Hahn]

It is. I don't think we can beat him anyway.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do we feel about the fact, though, that when the threes don't drop for them, it's almost like it just, like the blood stops flowing and they just. You know what happens when the blood.

[Don Hahn]

But. But that's the league, right? But especially for them, because in all these bad losses, like just the numbers against Detroit and Cleveland. Ugly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, remember, they did win the first

[Don Hahn]

two against Cleveland, but last night and then against Detroit. Yeah, yeah, they beat Cleveland already.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But now this version of Cleveland, which seems to be better. I don't want to be duped again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to give Cleveland credit. I'm telling you, this is. This was not about Cleveland last night. That's what. See, to me, that's what alarmed me. See, Donnie, if. If Cleveland came out and just ran them off the court and I'm like, oh, my God, with Harden, like, with. With Schroeder and Ellis, like, their bench is different now. Harden's just changed their offense. This team's scary. Like, I would be the first to say we got a new team to worry about. Look, I watched Cleveland. I'm like, damn. Like, this ain't it. Like, they were just as sloppy, just as kind of uninspired. Evan Mobley was on a. He was on a minutes restriction, but, man, he was all like, just another reason soft, you know, like, it was not anything that blew me away. Harden didn't shoot it. Great. Donovan Mitchell had numbers but he didn't shoot it great. It's just they made plays when they needed to make plays and one ended up winning the game going away in that third quarter. But I'm telling you this felt more about the Knicks. I think that's what disturbed me more because I felt like the game was there to be had if they wanted it. And it didn't look like they either wanted it or care enough to fight for it. And I can't understand why Griffin and Connecticut wants to take on that optimistic caller we had just a minute ago. Griff,

[Caller/Listener]

I'm not, I'm just. My point is if this Nick team decides to just and just just have their fun little oh no big deal type games every single time in the regular season, well, you are two, two games away in the lost column from being tied for falling to the fifth seed where you won't have home field advantage in the first round at all. So I'm just saying that that's another point. It also did the Bucks a couple years ago Allen decide that they didn't want to play that last regular season game that all their starters because they want to play the Pacers. That was the team they wanted to play and how that work out?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not good.

[Allen Hahn]

Griff?

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, I don't think you just go into it saying that's the team I want. I just don't think you need to do that. So to me they need to start figuring out more consistently before they get to the playoffs because I don't think you want to go into into the playoffs being an inconsistent roller coasting team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's what they have been since basically since winning that NBA Cup. That's really what they have been. Thanks Griff. And they also by the way next week start actually. I'm sorry, starting? Yeah, starting next week. The week from Friday they go on a west coast trip. Perfect out 5 games on the road. And you know that again if you want to talk to my fatigue and everything else it happened.

[Don Hahn]

I think you did it again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What'd I do?

[Don Hahn]

We went Southern accent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which word did I do it?

[Don Hahn]

I think. Again.

[Allen Hahn]

Not bad again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Again.

[Don Hahn]

Go back and check.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh no. Did it just slip here?

[Don Hahn]

Peter.

[Allen Hahn]

I'm trying to find.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Peter was on the phone.

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah, I was looking at my phone. I'm trying to find where the. That's the half bad.

[Don Hahn]

Where do we have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's half not half bad.

[Don Hahn]

Anybody else here at Jacob Anthony?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No one's paying attention.

[Don Hahn]

I missed it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I got everybody's office.

[Caller/Listener]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

We're doing a hell of a show here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They checked.

[Don Hahn]

I gotta be honest with you. I don't know how good a show it is when we lost one host and our producer.

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah, 40 are on board, but I

[Peter Rosenberg]

didn't know the show started. Anthony's producing another show while producing this show.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, I know that. I know we're not an 880 yet, but come on, man. But we're not on 880.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was that bad. Testament to our listeners that you didn't know that we weren't on 880.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Allen Hahn]

I didn't know we weren't on 880.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about that?

[Don Hahn]

So do we have. Do we have. Can we go back?

[Allen Hahn]

We'll find it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't remember saying it was on the word. Well, yeah, we have to wait till we go back in a break.

[Don Hahn]

I'll grab it.

[Allen Hahn]

What word was it, Don, that he said?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I believe it was a game again.

[Allen Hahn]

I'm here with my family again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is happening. I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

I've known Alan for 25 years. I don't. This is new. This is.

[Allen Hahn]

It's unfortunate. I think it's a new thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what it is, is there's a lot of times I try to fight. The Long island accent always creeps out.

[Allen Hahn]

So you're compensating.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm almost like maybe I'm overcompensating.

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah. What's the opposite of a Long island accent?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's Georgia.

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah, Georgia.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's take Rich in Brooklyn to help us out here. Rich?

[Caller/Listener]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How are you? Good.

[Caller/Listener]

Let me tell you, I. I listened to your show yesterday, and I didn't listen to the Knick game because I was listening to other things that are going on in the world. But the Knicks were inconsistent from what, the little bits and snubs that I've heard. And the Knicks are not always inconsistent. They're always inconsistent because I listen to radio. I'm a radio guy. I am not a TV guy. I have a tv. I'm totally blind. And some of these announcers, even, you know, when Allen Hahn tries to do stuff on radio, I don't think, you know, you're different on TV and radio. You are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How so?

[Caller/Listener]

Well, at least because you're not descriptive enough on radio.

[Allen Hahn]

Not descriptive. But he doesn't call games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. I don't call games.

[Caller/Listener]

You do color.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You do analysts on TV on tv.

[Caller/Listener]

But sometimes you do stuff on radio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's Wally. You hear? I'm. I don't. I, I rarely do tv, national.

[Allen Hahn]

Does national radio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you, if you happen to listen to the game Saturday on national. Espn now. I did that one.

[Caller/Listener]

No, I didn't hear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I don't do play by play. So I don't, I don't. It's not descriptive.

[Allen Hahn]

He doesn't do describe it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's okay. It's fine.

[Caller/Listener]

Monica. Monica, you know, you know, I've heard Monica McNutt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep. She's great.

[Caller/Listener]

I love Tyler Murray.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep, he's great.

[Allen Hahn]

There you go.

[Caller/Listener]

Who I really don't like who because to me they're not descriptive.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait.

[Allen Hahn]

Oh, you don't like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, you don't like them.

[Allen Hahn]

Oh, this is.

[Caller/Listener]

Monica tries she and that. But the problem is.

[Allen Hahn]

Here we go.

[Caller/Listener]

Nobody. No, no. And I'm not going to criticize because if I criticize, they go to say I'm racist. No, I am not racist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're listening off to a bad start.

[Don Hahn]

A white guy and an African American woman.

[Allen Hahn]

You don't like either of them. You've been. You just have bad taste in radio.

[Caller/Listener]

But the point is she doesn't. It's a different culture.

[Don Hahn]

Oh boy. Oh, now, now it's getting. Listen, he gave him some rope he hung himself with. That's all.

[Allen Hahn]

I mean, happens, right? I give him a little rope. Give me, give me that rope over.

[Don Hahn]

Just wrapped it around his head.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I really was hoping because he said he's blind. Like so obviously for him what he's hearing is critical to the information. And so I was hoping he'd have something pretty profound.

[Allen Hahn]

You know what the profound lesson you learned is that blind people can somehow be racist. It's almost like a Dave Chappelle skit. Because why are we going into culture? There's nothing about culture to talk about with Tyler and Monica.

[Don Hahn]

Okay?

[Allen Hahn]

Either you like the way they call the basketball game or you don't. Am I wrong?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm going to guess that he just. He didn't like it. But what's weird is that just something like that somehow I'm not descriptive enough and I'm not even on that broadcast.

[Don Hahn]

I just like I haven't done a game this year. Last weekend. Well, but hold on.

[Allen Hahn]

He's blind, not deaf. Right. How does he not hear? How does he hear Allen in the wrong places?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Allen Hahn]

It's not like he's confusing your face. It's just the sound.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And also just for the play by play guy does the description knows this

[Allen Hahn]

better of course Color guy. Are you simply there to add information?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What you saw, like what else is going on in the game and you, you have to get in and get out real quick because it's radio. But we learned our lesson today.

[Allen Hahn]

On the upside, I just dropped one of my all time best tweets. You guys go check it out during the break. I think it's something everyone can agree

[Peter Rosenberg]

on and we're going to see if I once again dipped into a southern accent and maybe I should just stick

[Allen Hahn]

to it and maybe it wasn't bad,

[Peter Rosenberg]

maybe it wasn't half bad. Out five games on the road and you know that there it is. On the road.

[Don Hahn]

On the road. Peter, what is going on

[Allen Hahn]

the road again?

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Allen Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on end whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. I think this is probably this voice right here, Willie. I think that might be my natural voice and I just didn't know it because I grew up in the wrong region. It's almost like that's I. I fall to it. Well, apparently out five games on the road again, if you want to talk to my fatigue and everything else.

[Allen Hahn]

Was there more?

[Peter Rosenberg]

There was more.

[Don Hahn]

Weird that it kicks in the way that it does.

[Allen Hahn]

Let's listen in full. Let's listen in full because he keeps going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's listen here. Out five games on the road. And you know that again, if you want to start fatigue and everything else.

[Allen Hahn]

Oh, so you were right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He caught it right away.

[Don Hahn]

It was on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If he was that bad, you know it was. That was five games on the road.

[Allen Hahn]

And can I just get five games on the row? Can I? That's what I need right there.

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry I jumped it, but I was just so surprised.

[Allen Hahn]

No, well, listen, I got to come up with a good name for Southern. Huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I got problems now.

[Don Hahn]

If. If you had told me, what would it be?

[Allen Hahn]

And I'm working on it.

[Don Hahn]

You know, Alan, you know, grew up in Atlanta, Georgia, until he was 12. Yeah, I'd say. Okay, maybe that, you know, it does kind of creep out. No, no, no, that's not the case. You're Long Island.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I grew up in the armpit of Long Island. In the bosom of Long Island.

[Allen Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's where I grew up.

[Don Hahn]

Well, bosom's better than armpit, probably, but

[Peter Rosenberg]

it depends on the neighborhood in just

[Don Hahn]

about every way, every angle.

[Allen Hahn]

I belong firmly with bosom over armpit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what you would consider bosom or armpit when it can sit can when it has to do with where I lived. It all depends on Era.

[Don Hahn]

But, well, bosom suggests that it's like in the. In the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think I live in the bosom now.

[Don Hahn]

A really, really.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I live in a very tony area of Long Island.

[Don Hahn]

It's not a great place.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No armpits were. I think I was there.

[Allen Hahn]

Is it Don. It's when. It's when Alan Han turns into Alan Jackson. You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Five games down the road,

[Allen Hahn]

me, Alan Han, and your New York Knickerbockers come take you up and down the road. Can't. I can't wait till we get down to Houston play, then go play the Mavericks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Spurs gonna play that basketball.

[Allen Hahn]

You got to be excited when they head down to Texas. That's when you're at home.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, please. You kidding me?

[Allen Hahn]

You know, got Hawks game in there. Yeah, hell, you know, but really just the Texas run.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Atlanta play the Hawks, go to Charlotte,

[Allen Hahn]

play them Hornets here,

[Peter Rosenberg]

Get her done

[Allen Hahn]

a lot in the last 10 minutes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Allen Hahn]

Allen became Trans Regional, which I didn't even know was a thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if I'm comfortable with that.

[Allen Hahn]

He's Trans Regional. He can instantly become Southern. And then we had to have a. Out of the blue, a blind man declare I'm not racist before then sounding like he was about to go on a racist.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I felt bad for him because I think he was trying to make a point, but he was just so worried about being judged.

[Allen Hahn]

He just made no sense that you do it to yourself the second. The second you go, I'm no racist. But then, you know, the next thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, you know, culture.

[Don Hahn]

What?

[Allen Hahn]

No, no, sir. We were fine with you. We weren't even. We were listening. Now, listen, he had questionable. Apparently he has questionable taste in radio. He. He doesn't like Tyler and Monica, which.

[Don Hahn]

Not descriptive enough. And listen, if you're blind, I got to listen to what you have to say.

[Allen Hahn]

Yeah, I guess. I guess you're right. You know, in the sense that you. Whatever is not descriptive enough for you is whatever you say. I don't think that's a culture issue, but that's just whatever your style is. I consider Tyler to be pretty damn descriptive when I listen to him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I actually think he's phenomenal.

[Allen Hahn]

I think he's phenomenal. But again, I'm not blind, so I'm, you know, I don't know, your experience. But then he. They said that he's also called a couple of days ago complaining because he wants more Mets broadcasts on the air, so he doesn't want to hear our show either. Apparently, he'd rather have met spring training games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But aren't the Mets playing right now?

[Allen Hahn]

That's a great point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was upset that yesterday they were playing and we weren't covering.

[Allen Hahn]

But today they're playing and he's what listening to us on the app.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what's going on.

[Don Hahn]

There's a lot.

[Allen Hahn]

I'll tell you what's going on. A lot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot lots. And Jamal and Stanford wants to stand in up for Monica and Tyler.

[Allen Hahn]

Here we go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jamal.

[Caller/Listener]

Good afternoon boys. First time, very long time. Huge down the Greco fan. Peter. Love you, boss. Let me tell you, I am a MSC mix radio listener to at like many others. I'm sure now when Tyler first came out because again I go back job questioning like man, will this chemistry work as you. You guys took took the word out of my mouth. Tyler is phenomenal from punchlines, his jokes, his chemistry with Monica. I mean I love Monica, but Tyler and Monica, they. They need to be paired together more sometimes. I. I think them not broadcasting a game messes with the mojo of the Knicks. But that's a cat.

[Allen Hahn]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, they did call the game together.

[Caller/Listener]

Fellas.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I agree. Jamal. I agree. Jamal.

[Allen Hahn]

Jamal. Is he still there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Thank you.

[Allen Hahn]

I wanted to ask why he's not a Don. Not an Al Hahn fan.

[Don Hahn]

Don.

[Allen Hahn]

Peter.

[Caller/Listener]

Thank you, Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hope you make the team.

[Allen Hahn]

I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because he said working on it.

[Don Hahn]

Don.

[Allen Hahn]

I'm a huge fan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Allen Hahn]

Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Love you.

[Allen Hahn]

Love you, boss. Something like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then.

[Allen Hahn]

And then he just moved on. So I was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep. You know what? It happens. I'm just curious. I'm just here so I don't get fined. Justin in Massapequa. Justin, Hi.

[Caller/Listener]

I'm optimistic about the Knicks and my dad always tells me to hustle until the last whistle.

[Allen Hahn]

That's right.

[Caller/Listener]

If I was Mike Brown, I'd be lashing into those guys. That effort last night from the Knicks would not slide well with me if I was the head coach. I'd be lashing into them after last night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're right, Justin. And you know what? Here's something interesting. They have two days off before their next game. Wonder what kind of what that practice is going to feel like when they land in Milwaukee. Thank you, Justin, for the call. And speaking of landing, Monica McNutt is going to join us next. She does each week, but they are in transit right now. So she will be checking in once they have officially touched down and she is able to call in. So that's of course coming up and we'll see what she thinks of the criticism of the show. Never mind of the call, never mind the accent. I think she's heard me say crazy.

[Allen Hahn]

Not half bad.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not half bad. Out five games on the road.

[Allen Hahn]

I love it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers from 30 for 30 podcasts.

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[Allen Hahn]

Brian Patta, senior defense offensive lineman from Miami gunned down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The key to this case. It's Brian.

[Allen Hahn]

An hour before he died, he was on the phone arguing with somebody.

[Caller/Listener]

This might be a hit. You want the truth?

[Peter Rosenberg]

They just want a conviction.

[Don Hahn]

Being placed under arrest. We had a killer amongst us.

[Allen Hahn]

Murder at the U. Listen now.