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Cross your legs, hon. Get out of this. In it.
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Han, I didn't know you were a screamer.
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And Rosenberg, happy new Jewish New year. Not newish Jew year. This is in North Dakota. This is New York.
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This is Don, Han and Rosenberg.
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The best threesome I've ever heard on.
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ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube. 301 in the big city with Don Lagrego. Peter Rosenberg, I'm Alan Hahn. 800-919-3776 is the number you want to get on the lines early. Man, Yesterday, yesterday was a busy phone and I thought we got to a ton of calls and so we, we rack them up and we'll get to them. We'll talk with you. We got a lot to talk about today. Jeff Passon's gonna join us. What time for Jeff Pass?
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Four, I believe.
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Four. Oh, so in an hour.
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Yeah, Jeff right out of the box.
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It just got a nap basically after what we saw last night. Wow. I. I've been joking, like saying why passing today? That's interesting, you know, Right. But actually it was a good call by our producer, Anthony Busick, who brought it up yesterday as if he knew there would be an epic World Series game.
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And I want everyone to keep in mind something here that's coming in because he's doing that because he's a professional. Because on a personal level, when I tell you this man, Anthony Pusick, does not care about the World Series. I mean, he is completely checked out, zero interest, wouldn't watch on a bet. But because he's a professional and is aware of what's impacting the world, said we need Jeff Passen on the program. And he's correct. Because, guys, we are watching or sleeping through, depending on who the person is. Absolute history. And it continues tonight now that Shohei Otani will be on the hill for the Dodgers.
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What time or what inning did everybody tap out? Did anybody make it to the End.
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I didn't even make it to extra innings.
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I was. I think I got as far as 14.
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Okay, look at you.
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But it wasn't that I didn't. I didn't turn the TV off. It was on. In fact, I think I might have fallen asleep somewhere in the eighth inning and then woke up and I was like, damn, they're in the 11th. Like, seriously? And then stayed with it a little longer and then again, just out. So I did not get to see Freeman, but I saw so much of the madness. And of course, this morning, watched back as much as I could of highlights and everything else, and it just. It's Don. I mean, I don't want to be hyperbolic. Is that one of the greatest games when you consider the amazing defensive plays, that's the warning track shots and extra innings, the. The Ohtani performance. Kershaw coming in, maybe his last time on the mound at Dodger State, coming in to get a huge out. Walking, intentionally walking two players to get the bases loaded. Like, it's just crazy what happened in.
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This game to have, you know, plays at the plate, a play at third.
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Yeah.
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Great defensive plays, you said tremendous pitching performances. To be able to see the star power, I mean, that. That is going to be a game, and I really hope it's. It's a great series. I really don't care who wins, honestly. I don't have a dog in the fight. Maybe the Blue Jays, just because they haven't won in a long time, but I want to see a classic series. You know, game one was a bit of a dog. Toronto blew him out. Yamamoto was great in game two, but that was such an epic game three. I. I kept. Why? I finally tapped out after 12.
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Okay.
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But I was. I was like, all right, how. How are the Dodgers walking this off? I just felt like the Dodgers are going to walk it off. And as I did the same as you watched the replays and just consumed everything I could about the game. But the other thing is, this is going to age well, too, because there's so much star power in this series. And to be able to say Kershaw got involved in it, that's not nothing.
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All right?
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It's kind of like United's coming into game to Super Bowl 3. You know, like, to have that legend at least get a fingerprint on the game in some way shape or form is going to make that game age very well. And in Freeman doing it again and almost doing it a couple of times.
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Well, I thought when they loaded the bases to face him. When Schneider did that, I kept thinking, this is going to be Aaron Boone all over again. Yeah, he's going to walk this thing off with a grand slam.
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There's just so many guys, but really the ultimate guy is Ohtani. Nine for nine getting on base in a pivotal game. Three four for four, two homeruns. It's. It's just, it's astounding. It is just absolutely astounding. He had that base stolen, I guess just too well because he came off the bag otherwise.
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He didn't push him.
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I don't think so. I thought, I thought they got it right. He took him off the bag. He tried to change feet and a great job keeping the tag on the body. That's what you're taught. And he was out. But he did technically, you know, get to the bag first just to show his speed.
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But I can't have kept the ball, kept the glove on. I'm just waited long enough for him to lose his balance.
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We've seen this before, Barry Bonds judge. We've seen guys get walked. We've seen guys get walked leading off innings. We've seen guys get walked with nobody on base, but none of them guys. We're going to start the game the next day on the mound. No, that's what just blows me away. And we haven't seen a lot of it from Ohtani. We talked about it was 22, I think he made the most appearances. Was it 128 innings or something like that? So he hasn't given you a real full season of great Ohtani on the mound. But he's already had the forever moment against Milwaukee. And if he goes out there and pitches another gem tonight, I mean, it's. He starts being talked about in that rarefied era of, of Gretzky and Jordan and Tiger and Serena.
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He's get. That's a great. He is, he is edging. This is the playoff that could do it for him to where he is single.
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Single name reference.
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Single name reference and becomes at least temporarily sort of the. The Kleenex name of a baseball player. Like, oh, what do you. Who you think you are? Shohei Ohtani? Like, he's that. That name, by the way, has been. You could argue it's sort of been Babe Ruth for a hundred years.
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Right, right.
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With other ones that pop up and there are a few, you know, there are your Mickey Mantles, there's some others that are right there. But he is getting close to being that dude, Don. And this is something I was just talking about With Michael. And I know he was doing it on his show, but we do have to talk about it at some point. Does baseball need to do something about being able to intentionally walk a guy five times in a game? I mean, Don, if you got the word. So Don, I'm obviously locked into my football team getting trounced by the Chiefs.
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Well, you hung him for a while.
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We did. No trounced in the second half. Fun first half. Fun first half. And then I start seeing the text from Don going, oh my God, this guy. And I go, oh, God. What's Ohtani doing? From the moment I flipped the channel, I never got to see him having it.
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Bet.
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It had already happened.
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All the walks he had two home.
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Runs and two doubles. I saw nothing. Now it's that. That is a problem with this sport.
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Know what you do, though? I mean, because they could still pitch around him now. They try to pitch around him earlier and he had a home run.
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Yeah, the second home run. Schneider said they were not intent. They were pitching around him, but the ball just happened. He just didn't place it properly and he just absolutely crushed it.
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But you can't stop a pitcher from just throwing the ball in the dirt four times or bouncing it four times. If there's nobody on. The only thing I could think of, and I'm going to bring this up to passing, in the situation where there's nobody on and you walk Ohtani or anybody of that significance, I guess it was to go for Judge or any other big time hitter that the punishment should be in those situations they get an extra base. So if there's nobody on and you walk Ohtani, he gets second base automatically. And maybe that would make you think twice. Do I really want to put him in scoring position? I want to avoid him winning the game. But if I got, you know, significant batter after, would that stop it? Maybe not. But at least, hey, in those situations when you have the open base, give them to.
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Or like at least if it happens. Are you saying, Don, that would happen if it was the second time?
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No, I'm.
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At any point, if you walk them.
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In that spot, I don't know. I. We can't.
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I just don't know if you should be able to intentionally walk the same player over and over again.
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I understand why there's very few players in the history of the sport that you would do this with. These are the one of ones to change a rule for. The one of ones like, I don't know if we want to go.
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That is somehow that's sometimes how rules.
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Get made again, you build your team so that if you. If you say, well, I don't want to face that guy. You build your team so the next guy can beat you. That's what you do. You bet. And that's kind of what it is. That's why you protect the star, is you always make sure that there's somebody after him so they can't pitch around him. Yeah, but.
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And that they've done that and it still happens.
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Well, it has that. Well, the guy was. He's 7 for 7 in his last two home games. Like, he's insane right now. He's just on a heater. You're going to do this. You're. You know what? Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points. You know how he got to 100? Not because he kept scoring. It's because they couldn't stop him. So they kept fouling him because he sucked at free throws. And for one game, he made his free throws.
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That's what they did.
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That's how he got to 100.
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So they kept fouling, fouling him. What do you do?
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So he couldn't make a basket. It's what happens.
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But now just. Just humor me for a second and, Don, I think you'll see where I'm going here. So it happened last night, next trainings. If they were to come out tonight and just be like, we're not. Ohtani's not playing. We're not letting him taking the bat off.
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Like, he's not taking the shoulder the whole game. We're walking him every time.
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When would you draw the line and go, we can't, as a sport, allow this. People are tuning in to see the best ballplayers. This is historic. And sometimes, Alan, it.
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But wouldn't it get to a point, though, if you keep putting this guy on? Mookie Betts and Freddie Freeman are hitting after. And Will Smith said, like, te Oscar Hernandez, you're gonna pay. You're gonna pay.
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Yeah, it's.
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I guess you're right. No, at some point you'd write. You'd think that the risk would eventually not pay off.
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Look, when you're dealing with a taxed bullpen in the 15th inning or whatever inning it was, what inning was that? When they walked the bases loaded, it was the 13th. They walk Otani, then they walk Mookie. Beth, the bases are now loaded, two out. You know, like. Like, I got a tax bullpen. I am not going to have one of my weaker pitches pitched to a guy who's right now on an absolute heater. He's on a toot, like a great man once said. And. And then you say, well, let me get bets on there. So I got forces everywhere. I got to just get one out. And then you pitch to a guy like Freddie Freeman, who showed you last year in the World Series that he could be a hero. That took some guts, man. That was a major risk that a lot of. A lot of people would never do. So you got to make him pay. You won't see this as often as you think. No, but he's right now just so scorching hot. I can understand it. It's up to the other guys to.
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Do it, but it didn't take away, at least for me, how compelling the game.
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Oh, it made it so. It made it more dramatic, don't you think?
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Because it was just so. The only thing missing, I guess, is that it's only game three.
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Right. Right.
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That's why I want more of this. So I want to see more games like this. I just think it's just so fascinating and it's great for the sport.
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How do. How do the Blue Jays react to this? Because that's one of those games that afterwards it's gotta have a. Like. And baseball's the one sport that there's no game to gain momentum. But this feels like one of those. Like that's a demoralizing loss. Well, doesn't it, like, doesn't it have like that sort of feel to it?
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Well, these are. These are, generally speaking, I mean, Don, in hockey, these are the games that you say finishes a team in a playoff series. When there's like a four overtime playoff game, everyone seems to then favor that team that won that the rest of the series. I don't know if in baseball it's the same thing. What if Shohei is completely spent and pitches a dud to.
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Right.
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As a result?
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That's a major issue because their bullpen's already taxed.
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Well, and also.
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And that too.
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That's big.
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And when was that? I think was before we got to extra innings. It was. It was the at bat aft. Was it? I think it was at the at bat after the steal. So I guess we were maybe in the 10 9th.
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That was the 9th inning. The Otani. The Otani Steel.
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No, the at bat after the court stealing. Ohtani looked like he was a little. Little injured going to second base, remember? So I don't know if that's gonna affect him.
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He looked. He looked fine post game.
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I understand that. I understand that. I Got, you know, but they. But listen to Peter's point, there is a momentum that I just don't think exists in baseball because it's all about who's gonna pitch the next game. And it. And even in victory, look how many innings the bullpen, which isn't great anyway for the Dodgers, had to go. And if I'm the Blue Jays, I look at it and go, man, we had opportunities. Man, we ran ourselves out of a couple of innings and we hung with the best team in baseball who had a forever player have a forever game. And it took 18 innings to beat us. So I think there's enough there that if they're a strong enough team, and why wouldn't they be? You know, they dropped the first two games at home against Seattle and they were able to bounce back and win the series. So I listen, they may not win in the game in this series, but I don't think it'll be because of how they lost last night or this morning.
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I've got unfortunate news.
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What's that?
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Coming down the pike.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's.
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What level of unfortunate? Everyone's okay. Everything's going to be all right.
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All right, all right.
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Jeff Passon is no longer with us on the. On the show today. He's extremely apologetic and he's upset, but he says he's just absolutely beat right now and wants to come on tomorrow.
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I don't blame him.
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That's fine.
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I totally get it.
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His direct quote was, I'll wear it tomorrow.
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But if there's ever a time to. To do the What's. What's the game show where you get the wrong answer. Yeah, I listen to all of you to never praise me for anything. This is so.
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This was a win.
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You suck. Music we think this was a win. Better now, I feel.
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Yeah, it's like, all right, give me a passing. Give me a passage. No whammy. Oh, passing tomorrow.
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Oh, man.
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Shucks, he almost had it.
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Well, there'll be plenty to. All this is still on the table for tomorrow.
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Well, I. I had text.
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Certainly is.
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It came out in a funny way because I had text him in our meeting y. When you and I were discussing sh. Otani size and I.
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Excuse, can you let me.
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Is there a different way to say it?
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The girth.
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Height. No.
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Girth.
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No, sorry. The height. I was discussing Shohei Ohtani's height. Height.
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Very uncomfortable.
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And how, you know, he's. How he's such, like, physically such an imposing guy. Part of what makes him interesting in addition to his incredible play is that he's this gigantic Japanese man who is not in. When we think of the Japanese ballplayer, you don't think of a guy who's six' four, six' five.
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Right.
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And so he just stands out even more.
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Michiro, even Matsui, they weren't jacked.
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They weren't like, this guy's bunion esque. Yeah, he's a freak, physically. Yeah. So. And I looked it up on baseball reference, and it said 6, 3. I'm like, that's not right. No, it's not right.
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It's not right.
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Passing said 6, 4, 6, 5. He said, he's officially listed 6, 4. Could be 6, 5.
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He.
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And then he said. And then I said, you're a nice man. And he said, actually, I'm not feeling like a nice man. I just canceled on you guys.
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I'm so sorry.
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193776 is the number. Here's the thing, though. Pitching around Ohtani is John Schneider. Just, you know, on pitching around him after the two home runs we're trying to pitch around him, you trust Sir.
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Anthony to make pitches to do that?
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Sometimes for pitchers, it's.
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It's hard to do that, you know.
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When you're kind of trying to throw.
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A ball and didn't put it where he wanted to put it. But, you know, he had a great game. He's a great player. But I think, you know, after that.
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You just kind of take the bat out of his hands, and he's talking about the second home run. They were trying to pitch around him, and then he said, I forget it. We're not even gonna bother trying to pitch around him because if we make a mistake, he's gonna crush it. So instead you just put the four fingers up and let him go. So will he continue to do this in the Series? And not to give away secrets, but that's pretty much what we should expect going forward?
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Yeah, he's being honest. Why wouldn't you?
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Yeah, but. But Don, just think about your. Yourself. Put yourself in that situation with the rules the way they are, wouldn't you right now? I mean, he's. He's literally. He's red hot. This is a. This is a boxing one. That's what you're doing here.
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How can you live with yourself the way he's playing if he's the guy that beat you? Hey, Mookie Betts can beat you. Freddie Freeman beat him last night.
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Yep.
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They're loaded. You know, Max Muncie's got to walk off in his career in the World Series. They've got, you know, a ton of talent on that team, but he's the best. And don't let the best beat you. You don't let Curry take the last shot if he can.
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Right, Right.
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You try to get who isolate the best player on the ice or on the field. Hey, I'm not going to let Randy Moss beat me. I'm going to double triple team, and whatever I got to do. That's kind of the equivalent in baseball, is walking a guy. And the way it could be punitive is that the next guy beats me and Mookie Betts isn't nobody. All right, so there is a punishment.
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For doing it, but I find it amazing. Like, and you think about all sports, like you just mentioned, like, don't let Steph Curry beat you. Yet somehow, some way, this dude's got the ball and how did he get open? And, oh, my God. Three, two, one, let her fly.
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But there's a logo.
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You know, Ovechkin is going to be on the dot on the power play late in the game. And yet somehow, some way, he gets the shot and he's like, it's unreal, though, how these guys, no matter what you do, can find a way. Yet in baseball, Ohtani can't say no. You need to throw four pitches. And if you, you know, if you throw one close enough, I might step on the plate and crush it. Right. Like, think about it. That's the one thing. And so that's the one, I think, argument you can make. Don, if you want to argue against being able to intentionally walk somebody multiple times in a game, is that every other sport, a player still has control, even with a defense that is basically set up to stop you, to take you out of the game and make someone else beat you.
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Right, Right.
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Baseball, you can't. He can't deny the intentional walk. No, you have to pitch to me. He's just Got to accept it and go to first. What he tried to do, the impacted game is still second and that didn't.
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Work out and they threw him out, you know, so.
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Good.
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Tough spot.
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Yeah, well, it's, it's also makes it compelling. 800-919-3776. Let's begin with Chuck in New Jersey. Go ahead, Chuck.
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Big Chuck.
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Hey guys, I love the show. In the words of the great Michael K. You guys gotta pump your brakes with Ohtani being compared to Michael Jordan, the Serena Williams, the Tiger woods of the world. You're talking about the most iconic athletes in their profession, sports. When you say the greatest of everything. You mentioned Michael Jordan's name. You're the Michael Jordan of artists. You're the Michael Jordan of this. You don't say that about Ohtani.
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You guys got.
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We're heading to that.
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Chuck, this is just the beginning, but this is where it, this is where it begins. When you have a playoff like this. What, what he does tonight could, could decide whether or not we do have to pump our brakes or we can now go ahead.
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We are starting to have that conversation. Of course, the guys that I mentioned, the women that I mentioned, longevity they have on their side, they did it for a long time. For Tiger woods, he did it for decades. Jordan did it forever.
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Right?
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So, but we're on our way, man. We're on our way. This is what it looks like and also it just looking at it from the perspective of forget about who's better, greatest, it's like you look at Michael Jordan, you look at Wayne Gretzky, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams, say I've never seen anything like that before. You're saying that about Ohtani? Yeah, I've never seen anything like this before since Babe Ruth. Well, Ruth, ruth did it 100 years ago. There's nobody on this planet that remembers or was alive the last time something like this happened. So yeah, if we make a list, Ohtani would probably be at the bottom of it because he hasn't done it for that length of time. But I can tell you when I see him, I'm seeing something I've never seen before. And that's the same feeling I got when I saw Tiger winning major after major or Serena winning match after match or, you know, Jordan Gretzky slack jawed it like I've never seen anything like this.
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Well, listen, tonight it's at that level and the proof is in the pudding. You know, like with the exception of Anthony Pusick, who's out, a lot of people are going to Tune in tonight who do not give a rat's patoot about the Dodgers and Blue Jays. I am watching Shohei Ohtani pitch tonight. That is my plan for the night.
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Did I not? I mean, I kept joking. Oh, they're still playing baseball. Because I am also that guy that I have a hard time watching the playoffs after my team that I thought had a chance to win loses.
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Right.
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Especially when the team that knocked them out is in the championship. I don't want to say against the.
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Team that beat them on their field.
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Last year, but last night I found myself kind of like, all right, let's see. There was, you know, we had the Equinox. There was a lot going on. There was some NBA games that were interesting. But then I'm like, all right, let me check in. Checked in on Monday Night Football.
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Yeah, checked out.
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You know, it was the usual script and then.
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Script is the right word.
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Went over to the game just in time to see the. The second home run for Motani and was like, oh, my God. Like, we gotta. Okay, we got a good one here. And then it just got better and better. But I did not change the channel. So that's. Yeah, it's. It got my attention.
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I just saw that.
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Everyone's attention.
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I just saw Smith shot to the track in the 14th.
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Right.
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That was a bomb. That looked like it was gone.
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They hit three to the track and it shut. The ball would not carry. And then it finally did.
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And you mentioned a sports equinox. I don't know if anything special happened in the NBA, but you're watching a Monday night game that's got Patrick Mahomes in it.
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I think we had a 50 point game, right?
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You did have a 50.
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Larry Markkanen went for 51. The first 50 point regular season performance by a jazz player.
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Markkanen had 50 last night.
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Yeah.
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That's hilarious. You just made the statement yesterday about who comes up with 50s and Markkanen pulled the 50s.
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Who's gonna give you something dead?
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It was something did.
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Yeah. So he had that first one since 98.
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Yeah. What's it do? Crud. Crosby had three points, becoming just the ninth player ever to reach 1700 points.
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Okay.
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In his career. So there was a lot going on.
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Stuff was happening. And what happened in the. The commies game.
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Cyrunt.
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Yep.
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By the way, in the first half, I felt like when we got to halftime, I won the super bowl already. It was 77 and my team had picked off Mahomes twice. I'm like, oh, I love where we're trending well. And I literally said to my brother, we called Ruck. This is going well.
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Wow.
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But I said, listen, I said, even if they lose, I could feel good about this. As long as they don't, like now lose. Like 28 7.
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Huh?
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They lost 28 7.
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28 7. Look at you. Prediction.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Catch the show on demand whenever you you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. All right, so this is how Anthony Pic works. We lose passing now. He worked triple overtime last night, so he probably. He does need a breather. We got to give him. Yeah, I'm sure he was on all the shows and sports and everything else. Right. So. All right, so he can't make it today. He is going to try to join us tomorrow, which would be great. But so what do we do? So we just. We pivot and since we're going to talk some Yankees and some other things involving the sport, Mike Vaccaro, the award winning columnist of the New York Post. See? Join us instead.
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That's called a pivot right there.
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That's a good pivot. We love vac.
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And the reason for this is because Alan and I had a conversation earlier this morning. Spirited one.
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Yeah.
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A lot was going on on the thread this morning.
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Heavy texting.
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Yeah, I'm sorry, by the way. So there's one of those things where I was caught up. And so then I came back and it said like I had 50 missed.
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Messages, heavy texting this morning.
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And I went, oh my God, these guys were really getting after.
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Yeah, Don woke up. He was feisty this morning.
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Well, because of the two hour time difference.
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Yeah. But Hotel Don is a different guy. I'm learning this quickly.
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Very relaxed. Well, Hotel Don has time to respond.
A
Yeah.
C
You know, pancakes and. Oh, look at them enjoying the morning.
A
Yeah.
C
And God bless. Hey, listen, the Dodgers are two wins away from winning, you know, back to back World Series. And if you like to, and I guess it's fair to include 2020, there's a team that's going to win their third championship in six seasons. So so much for crapshoot, right? Just add another team to the list. Astros won multiple championships, Red Sox, Giants like all these teams with multiple championships, but the Yankees always seem to lean on. Well, the postseason's crapshoot. Well, then Alan mentioned that Mike Vaccaro had had an article saying that you really can't trace that quote to Brian Cashman. It gets attributed to him because of the analytics, but it's actually a Billy Beane quote. So we're gonna get for Carolina talk about that. Because I want to push back though. Even though Cashman, Peter, maybe never said it. That's definitely the vibe you get from the Yankees and their quotes from Hal.
A
And we have evidence.
C
Yeah, there's evidence.
A
Anthony also was up early this morning and he was working hard like he always does and he got receipts. So you don't want to miss that. Sick. Four o' clock coming up. Yeah, right now we have your calls. 800 now. 193776. Let's go to Rich in Brooklyn. Hey, Rich.
D
Hey, how you doing guys?
A
Good.
D
Okay. With the attention of walk. I don't like the four fingers. I think that you have the same way as it always was. But let me ask you a question because I don't know all the rules because I'm totally blinded. I don't See it. I'm a radio gu. I like radio. All right.
A
We do, too.
D
Yeah. Are you allowed to reach? You know, when. When they used to throw the intentional walk the old way. Okay. Are you allowed to step on the plate and hit the ball if you can?
A
Well, they don't throw four anymore.
C
Nobody's saying if they.
B
Oh, in the old way, could you step across the plate?
A
I believe there. There is.
C
I don't think you could step on.
A
No, not on the plate. But we have seen. It's.
B
We've seen it.
A
We've seen hits, unintentional walk pitches. We've seen guys reach out if. Especially if, you know, they're throwing outside the fourth time, but he. Maybe just one gets a little too close to the plate, guys got a long reach. I know. We've seen that.
D
Legal.
C
Yeah. You get in the box.
A
Yeah. You could swing at it.
D
Okay. You know the same thing on an intentional walk. It could be a wild pitch. I've heard that many times.
A
You know what? Here's. Here's what I would say, Rich, is that if you want to do anything with the intentional walk, the idea of just saying four fingers because we want to save the arm of the pitcher from throwing four times or just. Or speed up the game, all those things. No, throw four. Throw four, because. Why am I doing you a favor? Throw four. Don't miss one. Is that. Is that a compromise, Don?
B
It's not. No. That's not a word.
C
Listen, it's. It's.
B
It's a little something.
C
It's not really anything, but again, because of the fact that you made the mistake earlier pitching to him, but one got a little too close and he had a home run. If I'm a pitcher, I'm just. I'm just going to roll the ball to home plate four times. So I don't think it solves the problem.
A
All right.
C
I don't think it does. It slows the game down. And while pitch wise, it doesn't matter if he's being walked to lead off an inning or. Or being walked with nobody on base. That's why I said maybe. Would they do it if you awarded him second and you automatically put him in scoring position?
A
Doesn't that get. Now that we start getting into novelty stuff at that point? Right.
B
We got a pitch clock.
A
Right.
C
We don't have the man for man, obviously.
A
Thank God.
C
Postseason.
A
Because we wouldn't have had that. Right. We wouldn't have had. Although there were. There were no scoring position throughout that.
C
That was not a problem. During the course of the extra innings. But, but no, I, I, I, the idea is to try to see if there's a way to avoid having what happened last night. But if you look at it closely, you could make the case. It added to the drama of the game. It added to the folklore of the game that he was intentionally walked five times. So maybe you lost the entertainment of a third home run or the game would have been shortened, maybe didn't go to extra innings or whatever. But still, there's nothing wrong with a conversation. Was it all that bad that now we got to change rules because there's only a handful of people ever have.
A
I said I don't like the idea of changing rules. To me feels extreme. This is a rare moment.
B
But let me just say this. After last night, yes, of course bringing up a rule change would seem aggressive. However, if it were to like, hamper the rest of the series where now that the whole world is going, oh my God, this is our chance to see this guy and he were to get like only a few legitimate at bats the rest of the way, then I think you have to visit a.
A
Conversation Snyder already told you, yeah, I'm going to keep doing it. Yeah. Like, so they're already worried about him. He's going to like, think about it again. He's pitching tonight. We'll see how he does. But a good night tonight. He's mvp.
B
Oh, yeah.
A
It's in his pocket, right? It's already in his pocket after last night's performance.
B
Well, they'd have to win still.
A
Yeah, of course. But so that's the thing. But that's all one, but it's still all part of it, right? Like they have the next two games at home. Like they're. Him pitching tonight adds to the legacy of what he can be because they could walk him four times. But if he has a huge pitching.
B
What if he, if he saves his.
A
Saves his bullpen from having to be used after they played last night. If he has a, if he gives you seven innings solid. Yeah, that's like one, two games where you're die that you're talking and you're.
B
Talking about seven runs. Seven is less than two runs. May two or less.
A
Just, just, just have enough to win.
B
And enough to win even if it's three runs.
A
If he's strong enough and, and they.
B
Win five, three, and who cares?
A
I mean, it's, I think it's in his pocket. Will in North Carolina wants to talk about it. Hey, Will.
D
Hey, what's up? What's Happening first. First of all, let me just compliment Donnie. Don. You are like the king of transitions with that Ramsey Mazda earlier. You had me crazy.
C
Oh, thank you.
D
The other thing was.
C
Thank you for noticing.
D
Yeah, no, I know. Just some appreciation. Listen, I watched that game from start to finish last night. I was up to three in the morning. Awesome game. But I think that a way to speed it up in. A way to speed it up in the regular season is to just get rid of that stupid Manfred, man. And once you get into extra innings, there are no intentional walks. A lot, period. That way you give. Because like you guys were saying earlier, you know, in other sports, even if you double or triple team somebody, they still have the ball and they can still hurt you. Like in baseball, if they walk you, that's it. If you have no opportunity to drive in a run, hit a home run, whatever. So, you know, they want to change rules and stuff.
A
So. So what you're saying, Will, is once we get to the 10th, you can't intentionally walk anyone.
D
No, because, you know, like before, like. Well, Michael K. Has said it before where you go and you pick your three best hitters to hit an extra innings and this and that. That's a bit too much.
A
That's extreme.
D
But I mean, when you have a situation where you have a slugger up at the plate, it's extra innings. You want home, you want. You don't want to play 18 winnings, even though it was an exciting ass game last night, you don't want to go that far. So you have to pitch to everybody. You know.
C
Legislate it, though. I. I want to say you're not allowed to walk somebody. Just walk them.
A
It's part of the strategy of the game. It's been part of the strategy of the game forever.
B
Well, could it?
C
Could it?
B
Okay, how about.
A
And by the way, if I don't care if it takes 20 innings, I'm not. I don't want to go home. I want to win. Like, I don't care about 18 innings. I want to win. If it takes me 18 to win, I'm gonna do it. No.
B
And you don't care about walking guy either. Whatever you have to do, do you have to do.
A
Right?
B
This is about entertainment. Now, is there if you were to come up with a rule, Don, where you can only intentionally walk a player one time per game, and you're saying, well, how do you know if you intentionally walk someone? Let me just hear me out for the sake of argument. That could become entertaining. We're worried about Entertainment.
A
Yeah.
B
You could still be trying to walk that guy. But you have to do it in a way where it comes off as an. That was not the worst thing.
A
That was the bottom of the seventh. Literally.
B
What. Trying to go around him.
C
They were.
A
They were not pitching to him. But they. They weren't going to. You know, they weren't going to go for. They were going to pitch around him and the guy. And one of the pitches that were supposed to be around him ended up right in front of him.
B
Exactly. Right.
C
Well, because. Because the. I. Because the. The idea of pitching around someone is I'd like to get him out, but I'm gonna be very, very careful not give him a pitch to hit.
A
I'm out of the strike zone hoping he'll chase. Right. That's what you're doing.
C
But if I want to walk someone and I'm not technically allowed to just send them the first base with an intentional walk, how are you gonna stop me from spiking the ball four times? All right. Just got away from me. I threw four pitches in the dirt.
B
But that's what I'm saying.
A
That's a.
B
Exactly. That's a risk. And also. And also, guys, if it were an actual rule that you're not allowed to do it and it were then to be refs umps interpretation that they see three in a row in the dirt and they go and they wave it off and they. And you're penalized in some way like you're purposely doing it does add a little bit of entry to those at bats.
C
But I also think all this could be accomplished by. If you. If you. Because there's a lot of times nothing wrong with it. If there was a person at second base last night and you intentionally walked Otan. That makes sense. Especially if there's less than 2 odds. You want to set up the double play. You don't want to take that out of the game. There is. There is an element of strategy to it. But when you're walking somebody the first at bat, right. Nobody on, nobody out and you're walking him, then the punished in those situations. Wouldn't it just be as easy.
B
That is probably.
C
We're going to award him a second base. They did not have to be in scoring.
A
They did that in the ninth, if I'm not mistaken.
C
Yeah.
A
Wasn't it. Wasn't he the lead off in the night.
C
Now how would that have been if my. Because he tried to steal second. Got thrown out.
A
Right.
C
Right. But if the real. He would already be.
B
He'd be the man for man.
C
He would be second, maybe trying to steal third and put himself in a situation where they can win the game on a sacrifice fly. They may not walk him if they know it's two bases instead of they know they're.
A
If they know. Putting him right in scoring position.
C
Yeah.
B
A base that ends the game.
C
So all you have to do is put in a rule that if you intentionally walk somebody with nobody on base, that batter gets awarded a second base.
B
Okay, that could be enough.
A
I mean, again, that's one that'll have such minimal impact on the game because it's a rare occasion that it wouldn't be like this dramatic change to the game. Like the man for base.
B
Hold on. So what happened in all the. Again, I was. I was.
A
Well, no, the other.
B
Obviously the back of my eyelid.
A
The other after the big one. The big one that really stood out to me was when they walked him and then bets it was already somebody on base.
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Somebody was at first or somebody was at second.
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B
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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B
Well, here's what you use. You need to pound it.
A
Pound it.
B
And what's the other one?
A
Smash it, Don. Do we smash it? Do it? Slam it? Destroy. You want to just.
B
No, no.
C
Well, you want it to function. You have done.
A
Listen, if you want to destroy while watching the show, that's. That's up to you. Whatever you're into, we don't judge.
B
We. But no, we're in here right now. There's a good time. Always in the group chat.
A
Yep.
B
And you know, it's like a little community.
A
They really kind of talk to each other. They shout each other out.
B
No, they. They insult. They insult each other. Or me, more specifically.
A
That's all part of the deal.
B
It's all part of the situation. But no big shout out to have. We only started pushing this YouTube channel like six weeks ago.
A
It's like September, wasn't it?
B
It was the.
A
No, middle September, early September.
B
Well, what was it? It was week three of the NFL season where we had the, the couch cast.
A
All right, so that's five weeks ago.
B
Yeah. And we're up to over 20,000 people have jumped on and subscribed. Smashed. Subscribe.
A
Believable.
B
So it's great. It's nice.
A
So we appreciate.
B
And look how good a shot you see of Don in the hotel room right now.
A
Right up his nostrils.
B
Yeah, right.
A
Right up the nostrils. Don, you got a bear in the cave. Real quick. Right side, if you can get that.
C
It's close.
B
No, it's not too close, though. He's messing with you. It's not too close. How, Don, how was last night? Where did you guys end up?
C
Oh, there is a. A bar. It's like a Hooters rip off right across the street from the hotel.
B
It's called Ray Borks.
C
No, no, but it had all the games on. It was perfect World Series.
B
And who went?
C
It was just me and the crew.
A
So did you check? So did you stay and then realize this thing's going extras, I'm going back to the room to watch it, or were you. Yeah, like, no one wanted to go full. Like just. We're going all night.
C
The people that I left, it was Matt Lachlan who does the radio.
A
Oh, yeah.
C
Tom and Roland from the television crew. They hung. They hung out. You know, they're veterans.
A
Oh, yeah, yeah.
B
They've done this before. This is their life.
C
You know, I'm, I'm. I'll be all in on the time change once I get to San Jose tonight, because that'll be three hour difference. I'm trying to kind of stay on normal time, but it's tough.
A
Don't do it.
B
I gotta tell you, man, this is. I don't know how you feel, Alan. I think one of the number one most underrated things about getting older is that time changes get harder to adapt to. When I was young, cover from. And just to catch, like when I used to travel.
A
Yeah.
B
I'd go out west, Right. I was in my 20s. I'd go to the West Coast. It didn't matter. I was sleeping right till noon. No matter where I was sleeping.
A
Right.
B
Once you become of an age, and for me it hit like my late 30s where you start popping up on Saturdays at 9 o' clock and that's sleeping in. I now find it like the adjustment period is brutal. My recovery from Australia took like a full week. It's not like I could never sleep, but I'd have these weird moments where I'd pop up and then I'd be stuck awake again. It's just like sleep gets harder as you get older. So, Don, whatever rhythm you can set up for yourself now that you're gonna have this new lifestyle, how long are you away for?
C
I'll be coming back Monday.
B
And when did you leave?
C
I left on Sunday. Sunday night.
B
So how, how was that goodbye, by the way?
A
That's your.
B
That's the longest goodbye you've ever had with the kids? No.
C
Yeah, it was, it was a little rough, especially because I had a day game at one, so I had to say goodbye to them in the morning.
A
Sunday morning, they went straight from the game.
B
Oh, man.
A
You know, at home.
B
Any, Any tears or.
C
No, no, they were, they were, they're cool. Just wait because they, they also know they can see me because we could FaceTime in the morning and FaceTime at night, so. Because that's the thing, is that I'm up at like 5 here so that I can say good morning to them.
B
This isn't like the early days when Alan was following the islanders to Calgary. And the hope. Best his oldest children could do, his hope for is like an AOL chat room that night. You know, this is a different era. You didn't have FaceTime for the earliest.
A
I didn't have kids those days.
B
Oh, you didn't? No. What, your oldest is what, what job did you have then?
A
No, I, I, when I started, it was before I had kids. I was on that beat before kids. And then. So there was a couple of years where it was just. There was no, no need for any of that. Just. We're just, we're going having fun. That's out. We're on the road now. But you know, when they get older, what happens is you come home and they're like, oh, you were gone. Yes.
C
No, they, they knew. They, they were.
A
They gotta know it's seven. But I'm saying, like.
B
But now Alan saying they don't care.
A
They get to a point where they just look at you and you're like, hey, I'm back. But back from where? Like, I've been on the road for a week.
B
Didn't you miss me?
A
Like, I didn't even know you were gone.
B
So soak it in is the point. Don so good.
A
Yeah, exactly. Michael in Georgia has a fix for intentional walks. Michael, what do you got?
D
What's going on? Gentlemen, Big fan. How you doing?
A
Good.
D
Good. So bear with me. This might sound a little taboo, but you redo the whole situation of a walk in a baseball game. Hear me out. You walk a batter, he gets first base. If that same batter comes up in the game, intentional or not, you walk him a second time, he gets second. So now you want to walk Aaron Judge. Cool. He gets first base. But now you got to strategize because if you get bases second and third, and he comes up, what do you want to do? Walk him to load the base. But now you can't, because now he's going to get a run scores. And I say you cap it at three, because I can't justify four walks in a game giving the guy a run. But I say every walk per player in a game, they get first. The second walk, they get second. Third walk, they get third. What do you think, Don?
A
What do you think?
C
That's not awful?
A
I don't think it's terrible. Thanks, Michael.
C
They just got to keep track. Or that I intentionally walk around. It just makes you be a little bit more leery on. I'm not just going to waste it here. Right. Because I only have so many. So there is a strategy behind it for sure. Yeah, I don't mind that baseball such.
A
A strategy sport that I wouldn't want to take strategy out. This almost feels like it brings strategy in a different way.
C
Right, right.
A
Like, okay, so we made a rule to curb how many times you're gonna walk my guy, but you still can if you want it. Just know he's gonna be on second next time. Now the bases could be empty, but it doesn't matter. Now he's on set like, so you.
C
Can have something to the effect of.
A
Put him on third.
C
If it's a second or third time, he gets the extra base. If you walk somebody with nobody on, they get the extra base. And just make it a little more punitive. UA tweeted. Guys, no one has said this one yet. You get one intentional walk, and then after that, you must pitch to the catcher, and the catcher cannot stand and must stay directly behind the plate. Fine. There isn't the traditional intentional walk, but if I don't have anybody on base, I could still just throw four wild pitches. Nobody. I could throw it to the backstop.
A
You're right. I don't think it's crazy. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Episode: Hour 1: World Series Marathon
Date: October 28, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
This episode dives deep into the epic marathon Game 3 of the World Series between the Dodgers and Blue Jays—a historical 18-inning battle marked by jaw-dropping star performances, most notably Shohei Ohtani's dominance both at the plate and upcoming on the mound. The trio dissects the game’s drama, the ethics and strategy of intentionally walking superstars, and the enduring spectacle of baseball postseason heroics. The conversation naturally spins out to larger-than-life comparisons and lively debate over if (and how) baseball should respond to the “Ohtani dilemma.”
Memorable Moment:
"I think I might have fallen asleep somewhere in the eighth inning and then woke up and I was like, damn, they're in the 11th!" (02:19)
Notable Quote:
Peter Rosenberg on Ohtani’s legacy:
"This is the playoff that could do it for him... Single name reference and becomes at least temporarily sort of the... the Kleenex name of a baseball player." (06:19)
Debate: Is Ohtani already in the Jordan/Serena/Tiger tier? Don argues his emergence as "something I've never seen before" (20:52).
Notable Quotes:
Don La Greca on rule innovation:
"In those situations when you have the open base, give them two." (08:28)
Alan Hahn on team-building:
"You build your team so the next guy can beat you. That's what you do." (09:07)
Rosenberg, questioning the limit:
"I just don't know if you should be able to intentionally walk the same player over and over again." (08:46)
Quote:
"I just don't think [momentum] exists in baseball because it's all about who's gonna pitch the next game." (13:08)
Multiple callers offer ideas, including:
Hosts generally see most suggestions as overly complicated but enjoy the creativity and recognize the rarity of the situation.
Hahn:
"That's the one, I think, argument you can make, Don, if you want to argue against being able to intentionally walk somebody multiple times in a game." (19:29)
"Did anybody make it to the end?" – Don (02:09)
"Is that one of the greatest games when you consider the amazing defensive plays..." – Hahn (02:22)
"He starts being talked about in that rarefied era of Gretzky and Jordan and Tiger and Serena." – Don (06:09)
"I just don't know if you should be able to intentionally walk the same player over and over again." – Rosenberg (08:46)
"We're on our way, man. ... I'm seeing something I've never seen before." – Don (20:52)
"So much for crapshoot, right?" – Don (27:10)
This episode provides a riveting breakdown of a World Series game for the ages while putting Shohei Ohtani’s singular talent in both a historical and cultural context. The lively debate about intentional walks frames an underlying question about the balance between strategy and spectacle—leaving the audience both energized and reflective.