Hour 2: Aaron Glenn, Thursday Rewrite, Senga Injury

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Aaron Glenn, Thursday Rewrite, Senga Injury

Release Date: June 12, 2025

Hosts:

• Don Hahn: First voice of ESPN New York and New Jersey, broadcasting legend.
• Alan Hahn: Long-time sportswriter and broadcaster for the New York Knicks.
• Peter Rosenberg: Highly opinionated Hip Hop veteran and WWE personality.

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1. Aaron Glenn and the New York Jets' Coaching Dynamics

The episode delves deep into the recent appointment of Aaron Glenn as the head coach of the New York Jets, with the hosts expressing mixed opinions about his suitability and media interactions.

• Alan Hahn initiates the discussion by referencing the Jets' recent performance and the departure of Kodai Senga due to a leg injury:

  "Mets Nationals done. Mets win 4-3, sweep the series, but Kodai Senga had to leave in the sixth because of apparent leg injury." (00:29)

• Peter Rosenberg offers a strong critique of Glenn’s media strategy, emphasizing the need for media training:

  "Aaron Glenn needs media training right now because this can go the wrong way fast." (02:19)

• Alan Hahn counters by suggesting that the Jets' media approach is intentional and part of their strategy to project a tough image:

  "This is exactly why they want Aaron Glenn to talk this way, is because it's supposed to be anti last year." (05:54)

• Peter Rosenberg draws parallels between Glenn and legendary coach Bill Parcells, advocating for a more personable media presence:

  "Tom Thibodeau treated the media with respect. Always great." (09:14)

• Alan Hahn remains skeptical, citing past coaching hires and their outcomes:

  "But all I'm trying to tell you is that it's all garbage until you actually go out there and do something." (06:56)

Notable Quotes:

• Peter Rosenberg: "Actions speak louder than words. I respect Darren Glenn. I think it's a good hire but... it's all garbage until you actually go out there and do something." (06:07)
• Alan Hahn: "It's complete anti last year. It's right out of central casting because it's all bs." (06:09)

2. Thursday Rewrite: New York Rangers' Alternate Reality

In the "Thursday Rewrite" segment, the hosts engage in a creative exercise to reimagine a headline and explore potential outcomes for the New York Rangers.

• Peter Rosenberg sets the stage by presenting a fictional scenario:

  "June 12, 2025. The headline in the New York Post reads, 'Bye to Broadway. Longtime Ranger star signs off on trade in end of an era.'" (22:05)

• Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg collaboratively rewrite the narrative, envisioning Chris Kreider’s pivotal performance leading to a series victory:

  "Natural hat trick. And the Rangers win the game and win the series." (23:00)

• They explore the implications of Kreider’s performance on the team’s future, discussing accelerated rebuilding processes and organizational turmoil.

Notable Insights:

• The discussion highlights how pivotal moments in playoff series can influence team dynamics and organizational decisions.
• They speculate on the impact of defections like Barclay Goodreau and Jacob Truba on team cohesion and future strategies.

3. New York Knicks: Coaching Changes and Player Perspectives

The conversation shifts to the New York Knicks, focusing on coaching changes and the perspectives of key players like Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart.

• Alan Hahn refers to excerpts from Brunson and Hart’s podcast appearances, reflecting on their views post-coaching changes:

  "Brunson on Tibbs: 'My first firing. Known him my entire life. Helped me become two-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA. So grateful.'" (38:53)

• Peter Rosenberg emphasizes the importance of leadership voices within the team:

  "But I think there's something to be said about just coming off as a human being instead of this... fake tough guy attitude." (09:56)

• The hosts discuss the potential fallout from coaching firings and how it affects team morale and player relations.

Notable Quotes:

• Reg: "Besides Bridges, I think Bridges is the one that we." (43:03)
• Peter Rosenberg: "I just want to talk like you're talking to people. Don't talk like you're a coach." (09:14)

4. Update on Kodai Senga’s Injury

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to updating listeners on Mets pitcher Kodai Senga's injury, analyzing its implications for the team's season.

• Mendoza provides a detailed update on Senga’s condition:

  "It's a hamstring strain. He's going to get an MRI tomorrow... he's going to be on the IL here." (33:32)

• Pete Alonso expresses his frustration and sympathy:

  "I still feel awful because... Senga, he's one of our guys here and it sucks." (36:35)

• Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg discuss the broader impact of Senga’s injury on the Mets' pitching rotation and season prospects.

Notable Insights:

• The hosts highlight the importance of Senga to the Mets' rotation and the challenges posed by his absence.
• They analyze how the team might navigate this setback, emphasizing the depth and resilience of the Mets' roster.

5. Listener Engagement and Player Podcast References

The episode concludes with discussions about player interactions with media, particularly focusing on the Knicks’ Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart's podcast appearances.

• Alan Hahn reads quotes from Brunson and Hart, emphasizing their gratitude and professional perspectives:

  "Josh always going to be changes. Tough one should be nothing but praise for him and his time in New York." (38:53)

• Peter Rosenberg critiques the depth of their responses, suggesting a desire for more substantive commentary:

  "I would want a little bit more than that. Well, like, you know, changes happen." (40:29)

• The hosts discuss the significance of player statements in shaping public perception and team narratives.

Notable Quotes:

• Reg: "How responsibility you feel about this? Like, were you able to do anything about it?" (40:29)
• Alan Hahn: "Especially since we don't know exactly who in the room wanted him gone." (41:42)

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Conclusion

Throughout the episode, Don Hahn, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg provide a multifaceted analysis of current sports topics, blending critical commentary with creative storytelling. The discussions on Aaron Glenn's coaching style, the speculative "Thursday Rewrite" segment, insights into the Knicks' coaching dynamics, and the detailed update on Kodai Senga’s injury offer listeners a comprehensive overview of the latest happenings in New York sports. Notably, the hosts balance skepticism with optimism, urging actions over rhetoric and emphasizing the importance of on-field performance over media narratives.

Notable Final Quotes:

• Alan Hahn: "It's all about the wins and losses, man." (09:01)
• Peter Rosenberg: "Actions speak louder than words." (06:07)

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. Yep. Come on. Big finish.

[Reg]

It's tele dime.

[Alan Hahn]

It's tolly time. Mets Nationals done. Mets win 4 3, sweep the series, but Kodai Sanga had to leave in the sixth because of apparent leg injury. We'll get more on that a little bit later on. Yankees will finish their series with The Royals at 7:40 and NYC FC hosts Atlanta at Yankee Stadium at 7:30. Tullamore Dew, the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cask matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew. Honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore dew responsibly. So 403 here in the big city. Coach of the New York jets spoke yesterday. Get a chance to do it yesterday, but we got it today. So I wanted to get your thoughts on this, boys, first. Aaron Glenn asked about attendance. Is everyone here on the roster?

[Aaron Glenn]

You tell me. There you go.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. On the culture.

[Aaron Glenn]

Culture is all about people. So you bring the right people in the building that determines what kind of culture you're going to have. Now, listen, I give the guys before this regime, before we got here credit because, listen, we don't have any. Just bad guys. I think we have a bunch of good guys on this team. So I give those guys a lot of credit for the guys they have here. So now our job is to make sure we steer them in the right direction, the way that we want to play football, the way that we want to operate, the way we want this building to be. And to me, that's what culture is. And the players know that. And they've seen the different type of guys that we brought in and they understand exactly what type of culture we trying to build. Just by those men coming in the building and even the people that we hired here as coaches and in other departments of this building also. So I'm talking about men and women.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm glad he specified that. He's also talking about women, too.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Reg]

He didn't mean just the men.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Reg]

Got it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Talking about the men and the women.

[Reg]

Oh, both. Yeah. Well, it would have been weird to just point out the. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just. I just want to say this.

[Reg]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I want Aaron Glenn to be the Best coach they've had since Bill Parcells. Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I want. And his connection to Bill Parcells makes me believe he should be successful. And I love them as a Jet. So all these things are now separate from what I'm about to say. He needs to drop the act now. Please. Don't address the media as if they're players. Don't do this. Don't go to the podium. And I know that's probably how he sounds when he talks to the players. This is how he's very direct. And, Reg, that's exactly how you should talk to your players. Don't do this with media. When you're asked a question like all the players here today are all the players on the field. Don't ask me what I think or what I saw. I'm asking you for a reason, not because I'm a moron and I can't count. I need you to say it like, he needs media training. Aaron Glenn needs media training right now because this can go the wrong way fast. This is all fun in games. This is great in preseason. This is great in training camp. But when we get to the season and your team loses a game or two, this act gets tired fast, and you're not going to like the questions you're going to get. So he needs to understand that when you go to the podium, the simplest thing you do is just answer the question and keep it moving. Don't do. Don't play this game of, like, now. You're my players and I'm going to tell you how. No, no, no, no. I'm asking you for a reason. I don't need you to start lecturing me and treating me like I'm one of your minions. I. I'm not. I'm a guy writing a story or covering your team with information that I need from you. And a lot of times, it's your voice I need because I know who's here, but I need you to say it because it's more important when the head coach addresses it. So please stop talking that way at the podium. Thank you.

[Alan Hahn]

That's all well and good, Alan, but this is right out of central casting. This is exactly what the jets want. Old ball coach, I am sure. And they've got one of the best media departments in the league. I work with a lot of those guys. They're all tremendous at what they do. This is the message they want out. This is exactly why they want Aaron Glenn to talk this way, is because it's supposed to be anti last year. Remember this time last year is where's Aaron Rodgers? Oh, he's in Egypt. He's running the show. They've got a kids camp out there with the Jets. Players could do whatever they want to do. It went from all gas, no break to hey, the players could do whatever they want. You know Salah's lost the room. Salah is weak. Salah is being taken advantage of. The jets are being taken advantage of. So what do you do? You hire a coach that's going to be all business. New sheriff in town. So that's exactly how the jets want their coach to sound. So I don't. I think they are coaching him up. They're coaching them up to sound this way. It's complete anti last year. It's right out of central casting because it's all bs. It all doesn't matter. Do you think I wish these teams. I would like to shake these teams and say you care so much about the message and winning the press conference and winning over the fans. Just win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Bill Parcells wasn't like that when he first started. Bill Parcells would play games with the media. He'd make the media laugh. He wasn't the ball coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

But everybody treated him that way because he had rings jingling and jangling and that's what gets the respect of the players, the media and the. But everybody wants to get the message out before the winning and they treat us like we're yo yos that we're going to buy into all this garbage. He may be this. He may be one of the greatest coaches of all time. Can I see it first? So excuse me for not buying in to the act because that's all it is until you actually go out there and do something. Actions speak louder than words. I respect Darren Glenn. I think it's a good hire but. But ultimately we're going to see by what happens on the field. So act like this all you want. Some people will buy it. I'm sure there's a lot of Jet fans that are gobbling it up with a spoon because they're looking for anything to grasp at. But it's all garbage until you go out there, you start winning games.

[Reg]

I'm going to step out there. You guys know I base a lot on these early press conferences and words. Yeah, it ain't happening with this guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry, I would not. I don't know if you can make the case that you can't coach Alan.

[Reg]

You absolutely can't. Based off of that, of course you can't. However, as of 409 on this, the 5th of February, Cinco de Mayo.

[Alan Hahn]

In the year of our Lord 2020.

[Reg]

In the year of our Lord 2025. Whatever. June 12th. I'm telling you, I'm not feeling it. I, I'm just sensing this is another one. That's what it feels like.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, guess what?

[Reg]

You guys are professionals. You shouldn't go there. I'm just a slack jawed yokel. I'm telling you, I'm not feeling. It's not going to happen. He's going to be Adam Gase. He's going to be another one that was here and it doesn't work. Good night, Good luck. I'd bet, I wouldn't bet my entire life savings, but I'd put a nice portion on it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All I'm asking is this. And Donnie, I'm sorry, I just, just to kind of encapsulate what I said a minute ago, all I'm asking him to do and you mentioned the part how parcels was the media and it's so right because that's how it works when you are dealing with the media, especially in the off season. Just talk like you're talking to people. Don't talk like you're a coach. The messaging thing you just said, Don, it's so true because it is an act. It's. I'm going to grab your attention and you're going to see that I'm in full control. And this is no put. You just talk. These are people, they come, they could be there every day. It's a million degrees. They're standing on the field like just, just talk to them like they're human beings and they will treat you like gold. But if you start doing this and there's a partition, you know, you're not going to see it. But if you're a superficial partition between you and them, you're going to see that the first chance. Oh, they're going to start you. They'll be, they'll be taking you down one step at a time. But even like, just talk like a human being. But not like that.

[Alan Hahn]

But even Alan, to me that doesn't even matter because if he wins and acts this way, the media will be eating out of his hands. It's all about the wins and losses, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I still feel. I know what you're saying that and I agree with you. This is literally what I've told you, I've told coaches that I've met. It's in several different Sports in New York, when I've met them on this, and they always will, like, pick your brain about New York. And I'll always say the same thing. None of it matters. You could be a raving lunatic. If you win, you will be loved. If you lose, you will not. Now, Tom Thibodeau won, and it still didn't matter. But the media treated him well. You got it. Treated Tibbs very well. Nobody went after him, and even after he was fired, people said it was a mistake. And Tom Thibodeau treated the media with respect. Always great. He was rigid at times, but he.

[Reg]

Was no great charmer every day. But he didn't have them like idiots.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he didn't also talk to you, right, like you were a moron. It's just he knew there were things you knew there were things he wasn't going to tell you. And every time he would say something that sounded like when he's like, if he was asked about a starting lineup, he's, oh, you know, could you make this? Could. But he'd do it with like a little grin. So you just knew, like, he knew you knew. And all that stuff was fine. But. So that. That's maybe one case that doesn't. Wasn't work here. But I do think there is something to be said about just coming off as a human being instead of this, right? This, this kind of like this, this fake tough guy attitude. That stuff works in the Midwest. Maybe, maybe in Texas, that doesn't work here.

[Alan Hahn]

But I wish guys would understand it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just, Aaron, you're a nice guy. Just be a nice guy.

[Alan Hahn]

But forget about, like, forget about the media. Fans don't care about how the media is treated. And that's irrelevant to me as well.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It does, though, lead to coverage, but.

[Alan Hahn]

I just don't like the whole idea of this. The jets feel like this is going to win the fans over after what happened last year, everything that they've been through the last two years, that now they're going to feel like we got a new sheriff in town and everything's going to be okay before we know it's going to be okay. And I'm telling you that I know fans, that they're eating this up. They love it. This is perfect. This is how we love him. He's great. He's not so fan loves this, but they love it. But all I'm trying to tell you is that it's all just garbage because it doesn't mean anything. It's all going to look like a joke if they start like 0:10 and he has no idea what he's doing. Now. If he ends up having a great season, then that'll be something to feed off of. But it's all going to be about how you go out there and play. And I think right now there's not anything expected of the Jets. They planned it that way so that there isn't any expectations on their young coach because they feel like this is going to be our next true leader. So no matter what happens on the field, I think people are going to be behind Aaron Glenn. But this is all just pap to try to cleanse what happened last year and the feeling of Aaron Rodgers walked all over us and now we got a new tough guy. And maybe they do, but I need to see it on the field because none of this matters unless you go out there and you win some games and prove to me that you can actually coach. He also talked about his approach to minicamp.

[Aaron Glenn]

So I pay close attention to the competes, on how we operate. I pay close attention to the discipline part. I pay close attention to the details of everyone's assignment and making sure that we have that laser focus on what we need to do to get better and not start to think about what's going to happen after this week's over with. So that's what's important to me. I talked to the coaches about that, and they've done a good job of making sure the players stay on track. And for the most part, man, we don't have to do that. Our players understand that they've been creating habits from phase one all the way to this year phase, and they understand it's the work that. That makes a difference, and they're doing a good job of that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't mind.

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I don't mind any of that. Yeah, when you talk about your players and stuff, that's fine.

[Alan Hahn]

No, that's. That. I got no problem with that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It was the message about, like, other teams have guys who aren't showing up at camp, but our guy. Do you have that one? Because that one also felt. That felt a little.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. The final one is on the player's commitment to minicamp and ota.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Aaron Glenn]

First off, I can care less about other teams, so I don't know what you're talking about with other guys not holding out, but our guys are coming to compete and that's who they are. And listen, I don't take that lightly either. So I'm. I'm appreciative, but I know how they're built, too. So those guys can work.

[Reg]

Do you know how they're built?

[Peter Rosenberg]

First of all, let's. Let's start with the fact that I don't know about other. Yes, you do. You're. You're the NFL head coach. You've been coaching in this league for a while. You absolutely know the teams that have guys holding out. And you know why they're holding out? Because it's a business. And guys hold now, like Trey, Henry Hendrickson, like all These other stories, T.J. watt, they're not there because of contracts. That does happen. And if you had a guy on your team that had a contract issue, he wouldn't be there. But you don't have that this year. See, that's what I mean. Like, don't get. Don't give me that. And also, our guys are built differently. No, come on.

[Alan Hahn]

We talked about. They were. They were quick to get rid of Rogers, and I really thought that that was all just about, hey, new sheriff in town. He's not taking that garbage. This would hit much differently if Rodgers was here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And attended OTAs as opposed to last year when he went to Egypt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really good point.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, so let's not mistake guys that, listen, you got a young team, you're starting fresh, and he could be that way. But you're so right. What if there was a veteran that was holding out? What was if, you know, this was the year that Aaron Rodgers was here and he wanted to go to Egypt? Or what if there was somebody that had a contract dispute? Like, all of a sudden you're going to change your tune. Like, I think it's easy to do that when everything's good and you've made sure that all your problems are gone, you know, and now there's a new sheriff in town and he ain't taking no bs. Well, I know the NFL guys. You know, the NFL BS is going to happen, okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Somebody's going to be unhappy with their playing time. Somebody's going to want a contract. Something's going to happen. And is that going to be how he's going to be? Because if that's how he's going to be, great, then you do have a new sheriff in town. But I saw the backpack, remember? All gas and no break. And then I saw Robert Saleh, like everybody else, salivating on the abilities of Aaron Rodgers and Aaron Rodgers doing whatever the hell he wanted to do. Because at the end of the day, you're trying to save your job and win games. Right. So, listen, I like him. I think he's going to be a good head coach. But believe me, in the 25 years I've been doing this in New York radio And for the 16 years I did jets, we were all excited about the new coach and we all feel like it's a new, new thing happening and it ends up going the same way.

[Reg]

They all go, right?

[Alan Hahn]

So I'm not buying into any of the garbage anymore. I'm not buying into the press conference, good or bad. Because you know what? The whole taco boy with the gase with his eyes flicking back and forth at his press conference, you know what? If he went out there and won games, it'd be funny. It'd be a meme. And all the Jet fans would be eating tacos at games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's true.

[Alan Hahn]

Turned out that he ended up not having any idea what he was doing. All gas, no break. How did that end?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

All the predictions with. With Ryan started out great and then ended badly. Like they all do, you know, genius.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everybody.

[Alan Hahn]

Genius.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everybody be wearing oversized suit jackets if Ben McAdoo was winning. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly. Man. Genius. Man. Genius on the Sopranos.

[Reg]

But you know what, though? But it. But the thing is, the reason it happens this way is because more often than not, the people who act like yo yos also turn out to not be good coaches. That. That's just how I want to be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know I want to be on record, though. I'm only being critical of the message. I get it. I think he's going to be a great coach. He did a great job in Detroit with that defense. I think he's going to be fine. He's got Parcells as a guy who's a mentor.

[Reg]

Hey, listen, this is all fine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just. Don't show me a great coach this way.

[Reg]

Show me a great coach, I'll show you a tree that turned out to be pure garbage. But, Alan, we hear you. You're very positive. I'm the one who's saying I doubt it works. It's just hunch. It's just because I've heard this sort.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of before and, well, your percentages are higher than mine, I'll tell you that.

[Reg]

But that's the thing. My percentages do look very good. Now, Don, something needs to be pointed out here today.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Reg]

And I need to say the only reason what I am doing right now is exacting a measure of revenge that I think you will agree is so on point and deserv based on how this person treats me, always. Did you see Michael's you saw the photos of Michael at the Met game, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I saw video.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's a video. I didn't get video. What do you got?

[Alan Hahn]

Did you.

[Reg]

Did you. Did you notice the sort of random baseball cap he was wearing?

[Alan Hahn]

I did not notice.

[Reg]

No. Anthony, you notice it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Mendoza]

Isn't it, like, Brunson's thing?

[Reg]

Is that Brunson's brand?

[Mendoza]

I think so.

[Reg]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a Brunson brand. What are you talking about?

[Reg]

It's a cap that says Siegelman Stable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've seen him wear it. Put it that way.

[Reg]

No, no. So that it's a brand he likes. It's not his. I don't think so. Now, Don, how often does Michael see me wearing something and then bring up what it must cost, and before you know it, I'm being yelled at by listeners for spending too much on a sweatshirt?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Reg]

How many times that happened? Countless.

[Alan Hahn]

Countless.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know how much those hats are, right? Like, that's a Michael.

[Reg]

Michael is wearing a $78 baseball cap.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's a brand. That's like a. It's another brand. It's not. It's not Brunson's thing that he wears that hat?

[Reg]

No, no, no. What? What?

[Alan Hahn]

What?

[Reg]

What. What Anthony accidentally pointed out is it's the brand that a multi. Multimillionaire ballplayer is wearing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Reg]

Well, it's like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like Kendall Jenner and Judge is part of this. So they all. Michael K. We're talking about. They all wear.

[Reg]

That's great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's. It's the same thing as the New York or Nowhere brand that everybody wears to. Or kith. Like, it's just part of.

[Reg]

It's owned by. It's owned by Max Siegelman. Max is the son of renowned harness racer Robbie Siegelman.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Reg]

And I just want everyone out there to know that the same man will call me out at any given moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, if you wore. Wearing that before he.

[Reg]

$78 baseball cap with a. With a picture of a horse on it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he's showing. So you're telling me that he was just. He can't hide his money? Is that what you're saying?

[Reg]

No. He probably got it for free. Knowing Michael, I just wanted to point it.

[Alan Hahn]

He knows what it's worth. He knows the statement that it's making.

[Reg]

And by the way of all the statements to make, though Michael K. Is wearing the hat with a horse. It. It's just so not his brand, though. He's a regular. He's an everyman. That's Michael K from the South Bronx, isn't it? How many times we hear about that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's not even. I think it's harness racing too, is it?

[Reg]

It's harness racing. If anything, Don should be wearing it. Do you have any horses Don has personally killed?

[Peter Rosenberg]

He go to Yonkers Raceway back in the day. Is that his. Is he really into harness racing?

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't know. You know what?

[Reg]

I guess so.

[Alan Hahn]

His bucket list is to go to Kentucky Derby and wear that hat. Probably the wrong hat to wear. Picking on him earlier. I think that entire wardrobe today that Michael is wearing is worth more than everything Dave Rothenberg owns.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't get the. What was his fit today? What do you have going on besides the hat? Yeah, I did not. I don't know why I'm not. I'm not getting.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, just go to ESPN New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Am I getting. Did I get blocked by.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that would be amazing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

New York.

[Alan Hahn]

Go to ESPN New York and slide four the fifth tweet.

[Reg]

K's wearing a white pair of khakis. Like he's showing up to, you know, a redacted white party in the Hamptons. All right, he's wearing a pair of white sneakers, maybe shell toe, Adidas. Can't quite see. A blue short sleeve, button down polo, you know, shirt. Nothing. Nothing fancy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Reg]

Then the overpriced harness racing hat and a pair of sunglasses. Don's not saying he's wearing a super expensive outfit. He's just saying that Dave is a disgrace.

[Alan Hahn]

So check it out on ESPN New York. And all the Met fans just clamoring to get pictures with Michael K. Obviously not the same ones that he had called fleas and moths just a couple of weeks ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did he get on the Jumbotron?

[Alan Hahn]

No. Dave and Rick did, as we know, with John Winthrop. But no, he was. I think he was gone by then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He left. So they didn't get.

[Alan Hahn]

That would have been interesting to see what the reaction.

[Reg]

He went into the game, right?

[Alan Hahn]

He did. I don't think he. I don't know if he was not in the shot or whether he left before. I don't know when they put him on the Jumbotron.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

The time continuum has been disrupted, creating an alternate 1985. This is.

[Reg]

Hey, Doc, are you telling me you.

[Alan Hahn]

Built a time machine?

[Don Hahn]

The Thursday rewrite.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, boys, we're not going too far back in time on this one. All right, we're going back to this morning. Okay. June 12, 2025. The headline in the New York Post reads, bye to Broadway. Longtime Ranger star signs off on trade in end of an era. Okay, so let's rewrite this headline. In fact, let's erase it. There's no headline. You know why?

[Alan Hahn]

Why?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because Kreider was already gone. Here's why. Let's go further back. May 16, 2024, game six of the second round of the playoffs. The Rangers had a 30 series lead, lost the next two games. Now all of a sudden, it's getting a dicey. They're playing in Carolina. It's the third period, they're down 3:1. Don, you remember what happens next, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why don't you tell the people what happens next?

[Alan Hahn]

Natural hat trick. And the Rangers win the game and win the series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Chris Kreider goes ballistic.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And there's no game seven. They move on to the Eastern Conference finals. And with that appearance, even though they lose to the Panthers with that appearance, the sense in the organization is give it another try. But if he doesn't do that now, again, Mr. Ranger, he's done this before, so it's not out of character what he did there. He's had big goals and big moments. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, Don, 48 playoff goals, that would be the most in Ranger history.

[Alan Hahn]

I believe so, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. So he has been a big time playoff performer for the New York Rangers. So the hat trick doesn't surprise you? It happens. They don't have to play a game seven, but if that doesn't happen, they play a game seven. That the momentum in that series swung heavily and it really did feel like down three one, that the Hurricanes figured something out defensively and they were about to take the series and be another one of these teams. It does happen in hockey. That comes back from a 30 to win a series. There was a strong sense that if this series went back to the Garden, they were going to lose. And so what if that doesn't happen and they lose? Does it accelerate the rebuild? I should say accelerate. It accelerates the rebuild where instead of waiting a year, it happens a year ago. And so all of a sudden he might be gone. Some of the moves that they wanted to or they started to make during the season and then now are making started happening sooner. And now instead of this being a reset, they've already started the reset. Where would the Rangers be right now if that didn't happen. Now you don't want to take away from Kreider and a Ranger moment. It was wonderful. It was glorious. You were there. You certainly covered it. You know what I'm talking about. It didn't lead to anything. They got to another Final Four. I believe it was their second in three years, but it wasn't enough to get to the Cup. So in the end, you ask yourself, did they waste a year? They kicked the can down the road a little longer than they needed to, and it caused so much turmoil within the organization. They fired the coach, they came close to cleaning house, and now you feel like they're kind of going through the angst and the frustration and the. That. What do they do now? And what can they do where they could have done all this last off season, then already been one year into the reset. So that's, that's. That's the rewrite. This, this, this week is. Kreider would have. Would Crider have been gone sooner than today if he doesn't do what he did in game six?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I'm going to dig it deeper, if you don't mind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Please do.

[Alan Hahn]

So this all stems from. From the treatment of Barclay Goodreau and Jacob Trooper.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To be fair, I didn't go that far because I think we all assumed all the things that happened after that.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I think you're right. You have to go that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does that happen?

[Alan Hahn]

But I think you got to include that, and here's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, go ahead.

[Alan Hahn]

They went to the conference final. They believed that they were close. And this is why I brought this up on the Michael K. Show. What's happening with the Rangers should be a cautionary tale to the Knicks because keep changing coaches, holding on the players believing that you're actually closer than maybe you are. Clearly they were not as close as they thought. Despite the two conference finals in three years and winning President's trophies and all that, they still were not close because all the conference final is. Is halfway. You got to win that series and the next series to win a cup. And they didn't do it in 22 or 24. But by going to the conference final, the team probably felt they were close. So why are you. Why are you messing with Barkley? Why don't you treat him better? Why are you trying to trade Jacob Truba and it fractured the room? Would it have been more. Would it have been easier for the players to understand had they lost in the second round, that, hey, guys, we're not that close? We've got to We've got to move Truba. Would Truba be like, it's more understandable. I'll waive my no trade clause because I see what you're saying. We're not that close. We got beat by Caroline. We blew a three nothing series lead. The Barkley Goudreau with the, with the, with the players have understood, hey, we got a lot of things. We gotta, we gotta move Barkley. We can't. We got cat problems. We just got bounced in the second round. Would all of this been more understandable? But the room fractured because they were probably thinking, chris, why are you doing all this? We were this close to a championship. Why you, why are you exiling Barclay Goudreau? Why are you trying to get rid of Jacob Truba? Now these guys don't want to have their no trade clauses waived. But why did, why did they, why did Chris wave it? Because they, he realized we're not close, right? We got, we didn't make the playoffs, we won the President's Trophy, we went to the conference final, we were two wins away from the Stanley cup final and we followed it up by missing the playoffs. So now Kreider waves his no trade clause. Now things are starting to make sense on why the whole core of this team had to be changed. Is it possible, guys, that if they had been bounced by Carolina, what they realized this year, would they have realized it last year?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

So, yes, I think the players would have been more understanding that it was breaking up. And yeah, maybe they did waste a year. All of the things that are happening now could have happened in that off season, but we don't know. Maybe Jacob Truba wouldn't have traded. Maybe everything would have went the same for Chuba, but I don't think the guys would have held on for dear life the way they did following a second round exit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it wouldn't have blown up. It wouldn't have blown up that room. I mean, you blow a 30 series lead, which is what you could assume just based on Momentum being down 3:1 in game six. Like you could assume, like, okay, that's that sign of. Yeah, we're, we're. I think this run is over. Yeah, and you're right. And then now you're not, you're not grasping to a team that you're hoping is like, no, no, no, this, this team, they just, they just ran into a good Panther, whatever it is. And so you don't have the. And when I said the angst, that's exactly. I was referencing the goodreau stuff and how everybody got upset about and bent out of shape. That room has a different feel to it. If they're bounced in the second round blowing a 3, 0 lead that, let's be honest, one of was one or two of them overtime that they won, they went up 3 0. I know game two was overtime, but I'm trying to remember was there another overtime there too? But anyways, that was the thinking. The Anthony and I were kicking this around earlier today. Is is it just is the reset rebuild accelerated without all of the controversy and the internal strife that went on that locker room and the players versus the front office stuff that really ruined this season.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, because now you have what ends up happening because they won that series. Barclay Goudreau scores an overtime goal in game two against the Panthers. So he becomes a part of forever. We find out that Jacob Truba was basically playing on a broken ankle. You don't think that that galvanized the room knowing their captain was going out there playing on one leg and now he's getting treated like now you're just shipping him out. Like it all just that run just galvanized that room. And you wonder if blowing a three nothing series lead that would have been enough to get the players to realize, all right, changes have to come here. Now Laviolette, I don't know what he. I don't think he gets fired last year because it was the first year of a three year contract.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is he still here? Right. Because now you're resetting already and why would you need to change out the coach?

[Alan Hahn]

It's so interesting you say that because I think Laviolette was brought here to win where I think Mike Sullivan and the contract that we believe he got a five year deal is to be part of kind of a regrowth. So it would be interesting. Would they have eaten the last two years of the contract or would they have let him, you know, coach and eventually move on? Because I do think part of it was making, you know, prying Sullivan away from Pittsburgh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what I just want to.

[Alan Hahn]

Which they could not do until he was actually let go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. You know what you just made me realize as we circle it back to the Knicks, because you said it is a cautionary tale for the Knicks. They don't fall too much in love with a team that maybe, you know, is what they are instead of what you think they could be. When you mentioned, right. Sullivan, Sullivan was not a free agent coach right away, Sullivan was coaching the Penguins. Right. But you knew you had some Information that they were probably going to let him go. But if I'm not mistaken, he was still technically working for the Penguins when Laviolet was fired. Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I think he was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He already out.

[Alan Hahn]

Was fired. But he had. Because he had years left on his contract. There was still compensation, but he was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So the timing of it wasn't exactly right. Wasn't exactly that way.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But when you had knowledge of, we know who our next guy's going to be, this guy's getting fired. So we're going for him. You know, did. Did the Knicks maybe think that kid. They, they heard. Kid wasn't thrilled with where he was, that kid might want out. Did they think that? And like, well, all right, we're going to move on from tips. We already know Jason Kidd. Like, he's got the relationship with the Brunsons. Like, we know, right, that we can get him. And then all of a sudden it's like, whoa, we thought he was going to be free. Chris Finch is back to back conference final appearances. They have new ownership. You know, they feel like that went too far. So maybe they just. Maybe they think he's going to shake free. And maybe that just didn't work out the same way it worked out with Sullivan, where Sullivan was set for it.

[Reg]

I'll tell you one thing, though. The Sullivan thing sure felt a lot cleaner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot cleaner. No doubt, but. No doubt, but.

[Alan Hahn]

And it's funny because, like, the Devils tried to get Sullivan the year before and Penguins will let him out of the contract, but we didn't find that out until way later. Like these. These teams seem very happy to tell Shams everything. It is, it is kind of. It is kind of crazy. I do want to get to this because it is topical.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But real quick, though, great job. You like the rewrite though? Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

No, of course.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Credit to Anthony Pusick.

[Alan Hahn]

I always go by, like, how. How many tentacles does it have and how many wormholes do we end up going down because of it? And it ends up being a really great segment. That was really good stuff. But Mendoza did speak after the Mets 43 win over the Nationals and he gave us an update on Senga.

[Mendoza]

Yes and no. So it's a hamstring strain. He's going to get an MRI tomorrow. We'll see the severity of it. But he's going to be an IL here, so we just got to wait and see what we're dealing with.

[Alan Hahn]

So Allen was right. He's going to miss his next start. So he's on the 10 day il for sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You saw the throw, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, I don't love the throw. And you don't like to say, you know, you just make a good throw. He doesn't get hurt. Right? Like, you don't want to say that, but there's a. How. How many fans are saying that? Like, come on, man, just make the. Like, why is the throw gotta be why you're not shooting a three pointer? Just make the throw.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Mendoza mentions the throw.

[Mendoza]

Not really, but I talked to him right away. As soon as the inning was over, I went up to him and it's like, hey, man, this baseball, you know, he happens. And then saying. Went in and he sent the translator and basically told him, hey, I felt it on the step before the jump, so tell him not to worry about it. And that's what really happened. He said he felt it on the last try before he had a jump, so it happens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, there you go.

[Alan Hahn]

So I guess it's not related, although it did look on the surface like it was. He also talked about on losing his star pitcher.

[Mendoza]

Yeah, I mean, look, you hate to see anybody go down, especially a guy like Senga, after what he went through last year and how hard he was, was it. But, you know, I keep saying it. Injuries happen. We feel for him, but nobody's gonna feel sorry for us. We got people coming, and the guys that are healthy now, they will continue to step up, and we'll feel good with our chances and with the guys that we got in that room, he's part of it. You know, every team deals with it. Like I said, we gotta keep going. You know, we'll get him back.

[Alan Hahn]

And he also was asked if he spoke to Sanga.

[Mendoza]

I just spoke with him, obviously frustrated, but I told him he's gonna be back and he's gonna be important role, important part of this team when he gets back, you know, so the main thing is waiting for the results, see what we're dealing with, and then we'll. We'll attack it, you know, and like I said, he'll be back. He's a competitor, you know, and sucks that he's got to go through it again, but, hey, we'll get him back.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, the Mets have been able to piece together a rotation, really, over the last couple of years that people have looked at and raised an eyebrow. Really? That's going to be competitive. And it has been. So I do think they can survive this, and hopefully it's not too long.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Pete Alonso]

I still feel awful because like, I mean for me I just trying to make a baseball play, just trying to make a play for my pitcher and I tried to make the best throw I could and it just sucks. I mean it sucks to be involved in that. I mean Senga, I mean he's one of our guys here and it sucks. You hate to see anyone go down and it sucks being a part of that. I mean, yeah, things happen during the season, but I wish, I wish it wouldn't have turned out like that.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you feel guilty because you still probably think even though Senga said he felt it pop before he got the first base, that that prob he didn't help matters much that the throw was not good and he's a leader on this team and they just lost their best pitcher for at least, you know, a couple of starts probably. Now the Mets have a margin for error, but they don't want to exhaust that margin for error by losing a pitcher, especially with two guys already on the il you're trying to get back. So listen, it's a long season. Everything's been coming up roses so far. So this is their first official speed bump, Alan, and we'll see if they can overcome it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, again, it's, it sucks. I've watched the play a million times and it just seems like it's not like Pete did anything awkward. He just stepped and threw. He just lobbed a little high and over overshot it. It's hard to tell that like when he says he felt it before. So he must have felt it coming off the mound then because there was no, he didn't take any missteps. Like there was nothing different about anything that was done there until he landed. And that's when it looked like that he, that's when he grabbed the back of his leg. We don't have to make this into a whole Zapruder film or anything like that, but it just, it does suck. But can I say with Senga, it's almost like you just start to expect things like this isn't sort of a guy that's become a little bit fragile.

[Reg]

It's hard. It's hard not to argue it at this point. And the hard thing is when everything's going well with the season and hopefully everything will be fine here. The one thing that can mess up even the best of teams is just injury. That's the thing you hate. But we'll find out.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, the other thing that I want to throw out there is, I guess Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart were on the Roommates podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's right.

[Alan Hahn]

And we do have quotes. I think we could eventually have sound. But I just want to read the quotes because that's what I have here. From Brunson on Tibbs, my first firing. Known him my entire life. Helped me become two time all Star, two time all NBA. So grateful. Josh always going to be changes. Tough one should be nothing but praise for him and his time in New York. And then Jalen said 100% okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love these guys.

[Reg]

Oh, I don't like to start.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't want to.

[Reg]

Whoa, whoa.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not that like, that's like he's your guy. Right, Right. We know the players, other players complained enough. I would want to hear if you're going to discuss it. And they decided to do a podcast here, which is. That's their thing. They got to do their podcast. They gave it a little time after the season ended, but don't you think you needed a little more then. It's almost like they were. Now again, you're reading quotes so there's no emotion in the words or any, any inflection. So we can't assume anything. But I would want a little bit more than that. Well, like, you know, changes happen. Like, come on, that's your guy. Like, is there any I'd want to know and I'll have to go back and watch now, but is there more responsibility? This thing's just. Everybody knows this is released on a Thursday, so we haven't had a chance to see it.

[Reg]

But what do you want to know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like what we spell? Like, how did. What responsibility you feel about this? Like, you know, like, were you able to do anything about it? Right? Not, not. Well, you know, changes do happen. So that's the way it goes, doesn't have to. If you believed in them, then you need to speak up. If you didn't believe in them and you felt like it was time to go, less is more, don't you think?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, especially since we don't know exactly who in the room wanted him gone. I mean, right, Peter, these are two of the most significant members on the roster. I mean, Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart are two important people. So if you were to rank the top five most important players on the Knicks, Allen, who would it be? Brunson, one five.

[Reg]

Brunson one with a bullet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I'd say heart's up there now. Of course, up there, he's got huge value. You know, obviously, car. Anthony Towns, you put so much into, into what he is. And are you now, when you say importance, are you talking about, like, voice and all that stuff?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. For, like, significance to that organization? Yeah, their words are going to matter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't, I don't think I can give you five.

[Reg]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but I think there's, I think there's, those two are, are the two most important, most significant voices.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would say Town's only because of the significance of who he is, but I don't even know if he's got a voice yet.

[Alan Hahn]

But it feels like, again, I don't want to assess blame here, but we're forced to. Like, I don't think it was Brunson or Hart. You listen to their comments. I don't think they want the tips fired. Well, then, if you're telling me, if you're going to tell me that it's Bridges, there's a chance Bridges isn't back. If you're telling me it's Robinson, well, there's a chance Robinson's not back. So that leaves OG and Cat. And I keep coming back to Cat because, correct me if I'm wrong with the timeline. Tibbs got the extension before Cat, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So they were all on board, they were all happy, and now their owner is going to eat $30 million of an extension. And the one guy that came after the fact that significant enough to have a voice in that room is Katie. So I'm left by doing just this, you know, psychologist, you know, private detective or whatever, that it sounds to me like Cat was probably the guy that had the biggest problem with Tibs.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Again, I, I, I'm, I'm saying what I'm saying.

[Reg]

Besides Bridges, I think Bridges is the one that we.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. He had a lot to say. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That's Their guy too, Peter. But there's a chance that's their guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which isn't back, but. But that's their guy. That. You got to keep that in mind. I'm not, I am saying this out of frustration more than anything because I don't. Like, like, for me in this situation. Now, member of the media, I want you to. I need you to talk. Right? I want you to talk. So I'm not saying they shouldn't talk, but if I'm, if I'm putting myself in the place of, you know, I didn't like the way this went down. I didn't think he should be fired. And then the, the two big voices on the team kind of give you a, hey, business is business. Really love the guy, but we got to move. Like, it almost feels a little too cold for me. And I, I'm. I don't know if I want to hear it right now. That's what I'm saying. But they have a podcast they got to do. They had. They were due to an episode. You can't do an episode, not say anything. You got to say something. So they kind of said there's something for now. So I guess that's what that's about. But does it make sense what I'm saying?

[Alan Hahn]

Like, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know if I really want to. Don't give me that. Like, if you're going to tell me, tell me something deeper. That's all.

[Alan Hahn]

They're not willing to go there. And that's. That's the frustrating thing about all of this. Big five o' clock hour. Enn's coming up at six. Don Han and Rosenberg right here on ESPN New York.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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