Hour 2: Alan Hahn & Lollipop-gate

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 2: Alan Hahn & Lollipop-gate

Date: June 23, 2026
Podcast Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Special Guests: Chris Carlin, Anthony, Jacob
Episode Theme: NBA Draft Drama, Knicks’ Rise, and “Lollipop-gate” in Yankees Baseball

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Overview

In this wide-ranging and energetic hour, the trio starts with the NBA offseason’s seismic shifts — focusing on the monumental Giannis-to-Miami trade, the ripple effects for the Knicks and their rivals, and the shifting balance of power in the East. The mood then pivots as “Lollipop-gate” takes over: a quirky but telling Yankees controversy about Jazz Chisholm playing with a lollipop in his mouth. Through spirited debate and listener calls, the show explores where personality fits in modern sports, the standards for “Yankee behavior,” and how seemingly silly incidents can reflect deeper team dynamics.

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NBA Draft Coverage, Knicks, and Giannis’ Move (00:52–21:54)

Giannis to Miami — What It Means for the East

Timestamps: 01:34–11:39

• Hahn’s reaction:
  “The first thought I had was I told you he wasn’t going to Boston…the Boston one just felt like such a crazy swing…What you hear though, is that…it wasn’t Boston that wasn’t trying to get him or wasn’t serious about [it]; it was Milwaukee.” (04:00–04:21, Alan Hahn)
• On the Heat’s prospects:
  “Giannis…is a good fit for the Heat. But…such an incomplete roster, it’s still going to take them time to build something that is going to be a contender. I can’t believe Vegas has already put them third in the east…That’s insane. There’s no roster around him and Bam Adebayo that is, you know, credible enough…” (04:35–05:11, Alan Hahn)
• No Knicks Regrets:
  “Winning a championship means never having to say you’re sorry…no looking back now after this saying the Knicks should have tried to trade for Giannis—they got a championship instead…and they’re going to have to deal with [Giannis in Miami] for the rest of his career.” (05:12–05:32, Alan Hahn)

Who Are the Knicks’ Real Rivals Now?

Timestamps: 06:12–11:39

• Stability shaking in Boston:
  “Boston…now has some instability you’ve got to watch. How do they fix it, and can they fix it fast enough? Because I always looked at Boston as the biggest threat.” (06:13–07:18, Alan Hahn)
• Eastern Conference outlook:
  “Detroit’s still going to be searching for a second star… Cleveland already knows they’ve got more to do… Indiana’s got to come back from a Halliburton injury… Philadelphia is old, I don’t know.” (07:40–08:07, Alan Hahn)
• Boston’s Jalen Brown dilemma:
  “Not for what they’re going to do at pick 27, but…now that they put Jalen Brown on the table, because there’s no taking a guy like that off the table and saying, ‘Nah, we’re good, we want you here.’ Because he’s feeling a way about this now...” (06:53–07:16, Alan Hahn)
• Rosenberg on Celtics’ overhaul:
  “They obviously feel...the only way they see to do it is to get rid of Brown, to really restart... So that’s a great sign for the Knicks.” (09:19–09:37, Peter Rosenberg)
• Knicks’ core vs. the field:
  “You’re running back that starting five. Name a starting five in the East that’s better. Just the starting five. Now, depth is critical…” (09:53–10:03, Alan Hahn)

NBA Draft Night — What to Watch

Timestamps: 11:39–21:54

• Unpredictable #1 pick, deep guard class:
  “Who’s going number one? …This is one of the most talented draft classes we’ve seen in years...It’s a lot of guards…AJ DeBencer from BYU, Darren Peterson from Kansas…Caleb Wilson from North Carolina…Darius Acuff, Arkansas, very Brunson-like…” (11:57–12:59, Alan Hahn)
• Changing landscape for international prospects:
  “Not a lot of international players…college basketball is not only keeping its players to the NIL, you’re also drawing international players to go play in college, make money and then go into the draft…” (13:00–13:32, Alan Hahn)
• Post-lottery reform era:
  “Different feel…and the draft tonight also kind of ended an era because…new draft reform is coming next year, really lottery stuff...which is supposed to curb tanking…” (13:37–14:20, Alan Hahn)
• John Wall anecdote:
  “When John Wall first got to the league, that was how I felt about how fast he’d get up and down the court…dribble the ball twice and be laying it on the other end…” (14:54–15:07, Peter Rosenberg)
• Donny Walsh’s classic line:
  “It’s a convention of losers. Nobody wants to be here.” (15:42–15:47, Alan Hahn, quoting Donny Walsh)

Nets, Julius Randle, and New York Rivalry

Timestamps: 16:28–21:54

• Randle trade as a “mind blower”:
  “It’s less about the Nets getting Randle and more about Minnesota moving on from him…His bad games really took a lot out of the team…You had those quotes when the playoffs ended in Minnesota…‘aren’t moody from day to day’…Who does that sound like? Julius Randall.” (16:42–17:22, Alan Hahn)
• Brooklyn’s slow build:
  “I don’t know what the Nets are right now, but they have themselves an all star caliber player…But I don’t think they’re looking at him to be a leader, that’s for sure.” (17:28–17:40, Alan Hahn)
• It’s good for the NBA when both teams are competitive:
  “If they want to answer…I think it’s important and they’re not going to win a championship anytime soon. But if they could start building…having some of these deals work…It’s good for the NBA to have both of these teams competing for the same real estate again.” (19:17–19:45, Chris Carlin)
• Cap space and the future:
  “Look, they have a ton of cap space as well as these draft picks. That’s why you absorb a salary like Julius Randle…So they have to bring in players this way…” (19:57–20:10, Alan Hahn)

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“Lollipop-gate”: Jazz Chisholm’s Blow Pop Sparks Yankees Debate

Timestamps: 24:32–45:34

The Incident and Initial Reactions

Timestamps: 24:32–26:59

• Setup: Jazz Chisholm was seen playing with a lollipop in his mouth, apparently for the second time.
• Chris Carlin summarizes:
  “As we were talking about earlier in the show…I want to talk about…if you haven’t seen it by now, last night during the loss, apparently for the second time this year…but the first time that the manager noticed it, Jazz Chisholm came out with a Blow pop.” (24:38–24:54, Chris Carlin)
• Peter Rosenberg quips:
  “If you don’t know what a blow pop is, get your life together.” (25:17, Peter Rosenberg)

Manager Aaron Boone Responds

[Audio from Talking Yankees]
Timestamps: 26:50–27:04

• Reporter: “Jazz has a lollipop in his mouth…Is there anything that you care about there?”
• Boone (via Alan):
  “Oh yeah, that pisses me off. Because I didn’t know about it until after the game. So he and I talked about that…that won’t be going on.” (26:54–27:06, Aaron Boone)

The Debate: Is It a Big Deal?

Timestamps: 27:06–33:32

• Chris Carlin:
  “We’ve seen strange things on the ball field…We've seen sunflower seeds…oral fixation on the ball field isn't new…But here's why it bothers me: Boone’s gone because he's old school…he’s a little aggravated he got caught not knowing the first time.” (27:18–28:00)
• Boone inconsistent?
  “The manager that defends everything that goes on and all the things his players do, this is what you’re going to take a stand on?” (29:29–29:35, Carlin)
• Rosenberg’s take:
  “It sounds like to me, not that you’re defending Jazz…but you think it's weak that Boone wouldn't go at other people who do ridiculous things…when a guy comes out with a lollipop…it looks a little goofy. You could view this as no harm, no foul...” (29:35–30:05, Rosenberg)
• Carlin, neutral but skeptical about Jazz:
  “He just doesn’t feel like a Yankee to me…I’m not defending him…but really, this is what, where you’re going to go to war with…on the surface it looks like it’s no big deal, but dig a little deeper…it tells you the relationship that Jazz has with the Yankees. And it might not be the best.” (30:13–30:53, Carlin)

Listener and Team Reactions

Timestamps: 33:32–38:12

• Peter Rosenberg: “Men don’t have lollipops that often…You know, grown-ass men.” (33:32–33:49, Rosenberg)
• Anthony (caller/producer): “I was far more concerned with the fact that they were down…I didn’t care [about the lollipop]. But…that’s Jazz. That’s Jazz being Jazz…they needed something like that…But I think that what they were looking for is more what Caballero does, which is irritate everybody around against them, not irritate people on the team.” (34:57–35:58, Anthony)
• Jacob (Mets fan): “I don’t see any issue with the lollipop scandal…chewing tobacco, chewing sunflower seeds, those are things you could choke on while swinging a bat…With the lollipop thing, I’m not really jumping out the window for it.” (37:39–38:12, Jacob)
• Carlin: “What I’d like to get to the bottom [of]: why did Jazz do it? …Is Jazz that guy?” (38:15–38:17, Carlin)

Deeper Take: Is This About Jazz—or About Boone?

Timestamps: 42:21–45:34

• Tony in Tampa (Caller): “Every single picture [of UL Washington]…has a toothpick in his mouth…Was it a big deal?…No, it was talked about as a uniqueness…[UL] always did it…Jazz has done it twice…He does it as if to make a statement.” (40:55–42:21, Tony/Carlin)
• Peter Rosenberg: “When it’s occasional, it feels like there’s no method to it…you’re just like, don’t care about the game…” (42:21–42:36, Rosenberg)
• Show consensus:
  The lollipop incident feels less about safety or “Yankee standards” and more like a window into Jazz’s personality and perhaps a strained relationship with the manager.
• Carlin:
  “I think what we’re really doing is having a conversation about Boone’s relationship with Jazz…That, to me, affects the Yankees more…than the fact that Jazz was just being that guy.” (45:27–45:34, Carlin)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Winning a championship means never having to say you’re sorry.” — Alan Hahn quoting Brian Windhorst (05:08)
• “A convention of losers. Nobody wants to be here.” — Alan Hahn quoting Donny Walsh on the NBA lottery (15:42)
• “If you don’t know what a blow pop is, get your life together.” — Peter Rosenberg (25:17)
• “The manager that defends everything…is this what you’re going to take a stand on?” — Chris Carlin, on Aaron Boone (29:29)
• “Men don’t have lollipops that often…grown-ass men.” — Peter Rosenberg (33:32)
• “He just doesn’t feel like a Yankee to me.” — Chris Carlin on Jazz Chisholm (30:13)
• “The lollipop incident feels less about safety…more like a window into Jazz’s personality and perhaps a strained relationship with the manager.” — Show consensus (approx. 45:20)

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Key Segments and Audience Engagement

• Giannis to Miami: NBA landscape, Knicks’ rivals: (01:34–10:30)
• NBA Draft Preview: Prospects, new lottery rules: (11:39–15:34)
• Nets/Rebuilding Rivalry: (16:28–20:55)
• Lollipop-Gate rounds 1 & 2: (24:32–45:34)
  • Aaron Boone’s response: (26:50–27:04)
  • Team’s feelings and public perception: (33:32–38:12)
  • Listener/Caller input: (40:50–45:34)
• Memorable banter and playful analogies (e.g. barbershop lollipops, Techmo Bowl references): (everywhere, but especially 14:52–15:07 and 33:49–34:12)

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Tone & Style

• Sharp, fast-paced, and conversational: Authentic New York banter mixed with analytical depth.
• Candid, occasionally irreverent: Especially as the team pokes fun at themselves for deep-diving lollipop etiquette in pro sports.
• Engaged with callers and audience: Listeners included, feeling encouraged to weigh in on both serious sports moves and the lighter controversies.

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In Summary

Hour 2 of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg showcases the unique blend of hard sports talk and classic New York radio personality. From Giannis’ league-shifting move to Miami and the promising uncertainty of the upcoming NBA draft, to the surprisingly layered “Lollipop-gate,” the team weighs not just what happens on the field or court, but the personalities, traditions, and moments that define East Coast sports—and keep fans talking.

Transcript

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[Chris Carlin]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Chris Carlin]

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[Alan Hahn]

I'm good. How are you guys doing?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hi.

[Alan Hahn]

It's, it's, it's just Peter. It's been a, it's just cram session today, fellas. It's just been a lot of studying today and last night for a draft that, for the rare occasion in Nick history a draft is not that important but it's very important for everybody else.

[Chris Carlin]

Well I just, I just mentioned you're the one great thing about the draf is that all the congratulating teams are going to do for the Knicks. Every announcement is going to be we'd like to congratulate the Knicks on their run to their first 53 years. It's going to be, it's going to be fun for you. Like I, it's probably going to happen like 17 times tonight. But you know we talked about Giannis.

[Alan Hahn]

It'd be funny the teams that don't do it right. I might not you. You put that in my head. I never thought about that. Now I'm going to be like, all right, what team don't say we'd like to congratulate. That's a good one.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They mean they don't all. They're not all going to say it,

[Chris Carlin]

but the ones that don't are going to look bad. And what was the motivation? Did they just forget or.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you think. In which context are they going to say it?

[Chris Carlin]

Well, I'm just trying to interview.

[Alan Hahn]

No, they usually don't. Right. No, Don's right a lot of times. Although, actually, no, wait, Don's thinking of the NHL draft now, now that I'm going back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Because the teams don't say draft, right. Yeah. In the NHL draft, they have someone come up. Generally it could be the general manager, it could be an owner. And they announced the pick. In the NBA, it's just Adam Silver who announces the pick. We're not going to have that.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So unless Adam Silver just continues to congratulate them. Pick after pick. Once again, we'd like to congratulate the New York Knicks.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, I see. I. Yeah. Because that gets. Right. They do it the way the NFL does. Roger Goodell makes the announcement, but I'm sure it will be said, it'll be said by Silver. Right. When he introduces everything. And then it might pop up here during interviews, but not, not the same way. But just your thoughts on Giannis to Miami?

[Alan Hahn]

I think the first thought I had was I told you he wasn't going to Boston. The minute I saw that, I. Right away, because just the Boston one just felt like such a crazy swing. And then what you hear though, is that it really wasn't Boston that wasn't trying to get him or wasn't serious about was Milwaukee. It was Jimmy Haslam, the owner of the Cleveland Browns, who also is now bought into the Bucks, who said, I don't want to bring in Jaylen Brown and have this guy in two years say he doesn't want to be here. So he didn't want the instability of bringing in another star that would then hold the franchise hostage. So I found that. I saw a report about that and that really caught my attention. So him going to Miami is a move that feels very Miami, very Miami Heat, very Pat Riley very much. Also, I think Giannis, it's, I think it's. It's a good fit for Giannis, it's a good fit for the Heat. But that such now an incomplete roster, it's still going to take them time to build something that is going to be a contender. I can't Believe Vegas has already put them third in the east in the, in the third. Shortest odds, I believe in the east to get out of the east to go to the NBA Finals. I think that's insane. There's no roster around him and bam. Out of bayou that is, you know, credible enough to put up there with some of the other teams in the East. But at least this, this, this long wait over and for the Knicks, as we said yesterday, it was a bit of a gamble and risk to pass on him last August and they, they believed in what they had and it ended up in a championship. So as Brian Windhorst always says, winning a championship means never having to say you're sorry. So there's no looking back now after this saying the Knicks should have tried to trade for Giannis, they got a championship instead and Giannis is now in Miami and they're going to have to deal with him for the rest of his career.

[Chris Carlin]

And the other thing too, because we're trying to spin this all back to the Knicks. It's going to take Miami a while, as Wendy said, and you had just said, for them to be able to get things going so they don't become an instant threat despite what Vegas says. Wendy was on with K saying they believed, and this was the words of Wendy about the Celtics, Celtics believed that if they had advanced to take on the Knicks, they would have gotten boat raced. That was his words. So they believe they've got to change their roster to compete with the Knicks. So where do you stand right now? Like who would be the, the biggest threat in the east to upend the Knicks?

[Alan Hahn]

It's a great question. And the Boston thing, like I told you, that wasn't sitting well up there with them with this Knicks success and this Knicks run like that has them a little rattled right now. And that's why I'm very curious. I think they might be. They have like, they have a late pick, they have one pick, it's 28. No, not 20, 27. And to me, they're still one of the most compelling teams in this draft tonight. Not for what they're going to do at pick number 27, but for what they're going to do now that they put Jaylen Brown on the table because you know, there's no taking a guy like that off the table and saying, nah, we're good, we want you here. Because you know, he's not, he's feeling away about this now, so they're going to have to do something. And with that in mind, what do they do. And how does that advance the cause for them? How does that make them or keep them a contender? So all of a sudden one of the most stable franchises has now some instability that you've got to watch and see. How do they fix it and can they fix it fast enough? Because I always looked at Boston as the biggest threat. After that, Detroit's still going to be searching for a second star. They realized that what they've got is a regular season team, not a, not a long term playoff run, postseason team. Cleveland already knows they've got more to do because they certainly. You saw the warts that they showed once they got into the, deeper into the playoffs. Indiana's got to come back from a Halliburton injury with a different roster. I mean, guys, Philadelphia is old. I don't know. I got to be honest with you. I really don't know. Name me the team as you look at and say they are the biggest threat to the Knicks. It was Boston. I don't know if it is.

[Chris Carlin]

Well, I guess the two. For me. What did Detroit learn from losing to Cleveland and can they take that next step? And what do the Pacers look like with Halliburton being healthy? Because remember, they went to Game 7 of the NBA Finals last year, so if they could pick up where they left off, I think those are really the only two. I don't think Orlando's ready to take that kind of a gargantuan step. So I guess it would be between Indiana, Detroit. Right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And both have major questions. Like again, the Boston thing. Now if you're, you know, that's why this has become such a huge story. Because Boston was thought to be the team with. They have these two mega stars and they're going to build properly around them. They've been to two finals already. They've won a championship. And you're like, all right, well, they're going to reload and be back. They won 58 games last year. Yeah, of course you should put them ahead of the Knicks. How do you put them ahead of the Knicks now when you know that Jaylen Brown's not happy that now he knows they tried to trade him and how are you just going to just come back, Everything's going to be fine when everything wasn't fine before that?

[Chris Carlin]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, because they're obviously deciding suddenly change and things are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we're talking about this earlier, Alan, like, so I'm saying it, Don. You know, it's weird when I look around at what makes this team markedly different from the championship team. It's. It's Kristaps Porzingis and Al Horford. It's size, right?

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But obviously they.

[Alan Hahn]

Andrew Holiday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, Andrew Holiday, great point. And they obviously feel that they're far enough away from having the pieces they need that the only way they see to do it is to get rid of Brown, to really restart. Because you'd think the Allen. The ideal move would be we keep Brown and Tatum and just find, you know, find size and put together. But they obviously think we're not able to do that. We got to retool this whole thing. So that's a great sign for the Knicks. I mean, it really is. Because obviously the Celtics feel they're far away.

[Alan Hahn]

It really is. And that's why when you talk about what, you know, what are the Knicks going to do to try to keep this team intact as best they can. You know, that's the thing. You're running back that starting five. Name a name, a starting five in the east that's better. Just the starting five. Now, depth is critical, and we learned that this year. But, yeah, no. So, again, like, it is really interesting this Yanis trade, the tentacles and impact that it had on the east, because it didn't turn the heat, in my opinion, into an instant contender. Not yet. Now, they could still do some things, but it's very difficult to do it in a couple of months. This might take them one season to build it into something, but still, it didn't turn them into an instant contender. And in Boston, in not getting Giannis, it might have actually taken Boston from being a annual perennial contender into a sudden a team that has pressure now, that has to make a trade and change up their culture. So it's amazing what's going on around the Knicks right now. And that's why all of a sudden, this thought of, you know, repeat or this thought of still being the dominant team in the East, I mean, they very much can be that team as long as some of the young teams, where I'm looking at Detroit and you're looking at even Charlotte, as long as they don't have some in Orlando, too. A quantum leap, you know, Atlanta, you know, those are the teams that you look at as dragon slayers, but not necessarily championship contenders. Knicks just have to make sure they take care of business against those teams because there really isn't another heavyweight right now unless Boston does something dramatic between now and next October.

[Chris Carlin]

Alan Hahn is anchoring our coverage of the NBA draft tonight and tomorrow. You can hear tonight's coverage beginning at 7:30 on 10:50am and also catch it on the ESPN app. So what are some of the things that we could be looking for here during this draft, especially day one?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, the first thing about the draft tonight is going to be who's going number one. I mean, there's no given. This is one of the most talented draft classes that we've seen in years. And it's not necessarily a top heavy draft class. It's just, it's talented top to bottom, depending on what you're looking for. It's a lot of guards. Of course there's a lot of talk about the different guards but, but who's going number one I don't think is a given just yet. And you know that, that to me is the first thing you know AJ DeBencer from BYU. You have Darren Peterson, of course, from Kansas who's, you know, he's an interesting talent here because he's got a ton of talent, but there's a lot of things about him that's kind of shadowy. He's not working out for certain teams. He's played one half and doesn't play the second half. He's missed games. There's stuff going on with him, around him that you wonder, is it, you know, do you take a guy like that when there's other talented players that you know, you can just bring in and not have to worry about some of the extra stuff. North Carolina has a point guard and Caleb Wilson everybody loves. There's, there's Darius Acuff who if you love Jalen Brunson, there's a lot of people that say that Acuff, who's an Arkansas guy, is very Brunson like so you watch for that. Not a lot of international players we generally see a lot. And that's the sign of the times because college basketball is not only keeping its players to the nil, you're also drawing international players to go play in college, make money and then go into the draft versus coming in right away. And a lot of those international players would be second round picks. Now they go to college and they see if they can up their draft status. So different feel. And the draft tonight also kind of ended an era because we know that the new draft reform is coming next year, really lottery stuff. So the Wizards who had the worst record in the league ended up winning it. First time since 2018 we've had that. So now with the new reform for next year, some teams that are going to be picking higher than others might actually be Closer to contending. All based off of the new system, which is supposed to curb tanking, which is always a good thing. So different, like tonight could be the last feel of a draft that's loaded with teams that have been tanking and losing for years. And it's time for those teams. It's the Wizards, it's the Jazz. They got to stop that, and they got to start building teams that can win.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, shout out to my hometown whiz, because if you're going to end it, you end it with one of the great tankers of all time. You know what I'm saying? Do what they do best.

[Alan Hahn]

You want it to be, you know, a little more John Wall, less Kwame Brown, though, right, Peter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, I think they would love to get even beyond what John Wall was. Although his. From a talent standpoint, John Wall was obviously exceptional. Yeah, I always say that. John wall. Here's my 1. Stay on John Wall. You remember. You remember how fast Lawrence Taylor was in Tech Mobile?

[Chris Carlin]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Barry Sanders in Madden. Like that. Or Bo Jackson. When John Wall first got to the league, that was how I felt about how fast he'd get up and down the court. Like he would literally take it inbound.

[Podcast Host Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dribble the ball twice and be laying it on the other end. But obviously it didn't work out. We know now what they were doing with Trey Young Allen, you called it out right when we. When it. When it appeared that way, hey, he's kind of hurt. But more importantly, let's not bother playing. Let's lose these games. And then they signed them to a big contract to keep them around for four years and hope they can add a big draft pick to go with them. But it'll. I don't think these days of the draft will be missed if the new way works out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I think you're right, because you get tired of seeing the same teams at the top in that top 10. And I told you the old Donny Walsh line that he said to me years ago in 2008, when I. We were at the lottery. There was a lottery party back then, they added, at Secaucus, where they held the lottery. And I went up to him and I said, it's pretty exciting, isn't? He goes, no, it's not. And I said, why? He goes, this is a convention of losers. Nobody wants to be here. And it's an interesting how, like, from that point to, you know, fast forward into the teens of the 2000s, how all of a sudden it was a party. Hey, it's great. We're in the lottery. Isn't this awesome? Everybody was so happy to be there. And in fact, I'm coming back next year. You know, there was a thought you never wanted to be in the lottery meant you stunk. But that mentality suddenly became a badge of honor for some franchises in their fan bases. And Adam Silver said, we got to put a stop to this. So we'll see if this latest reform does that.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah. And that's again, another reason why just relish in what the Knicks did because it wasn't about tanking, it wasn't about getting some super player. It was just about, you know, building the way you should. Your thoughts on the Nets getting Randall,

[Alan Hahn]

that. Wow, that's a mind blower right there. Right? It's to me, less about the Nets getting Randall and more about Minnesota moving on from them. It is amazing because he played well in Minnesota. I remember the Knicks traded Randall for car Anthony Town. Randall went to Minnesota. There was some people who thought Minnesota won the deal because they also got Dante DiVincenzo. Well, that's not obviously accurate now, but Randle in the playoffs this year had good games and bad games, and his bad games really took a lot out of the team. And when they lost, when the Timberwolves lost, see if you guys, see if this sounds familiar to you guys. A lot of the players cryptically talked about how, you know, going forward, we've got to make sure we have guys that, you know, aren't moody from day to day and, you know, are just locked in every day and don't let negative things affect them and the way they play and if they're getting shots or not. I mean, who does that sound like they're talking about? Julius Randall. That's what everybody in New York said about him, too. So the fact that you had those quotes when the playoffs ended in Minnesota and then the first thing they do is move him out for. In a salary dump. It really suggests for Julius Randall that, you know, your career is starting to develop a reputation of a guy that definitely puts up numbers, but teams that are trying to win move on from you. And now in Brooklyn, it's a team that's. I don't know what the Nets are right now, but they have themselves an all star caliber player at least that can score. But I don't think they're looking at him to be a leader, that's for sure. So they still, with a young team, you're going to need to bring in a couple of vets in There along with Randall. But him back in New York is interesting because remember, KD did not join the Knicks in 2019. He went to Brooklyn and the Knicks had to pivot to Julius Randle. Seven years later, the Knicks are NBA champions and the Nets have Julius Randle.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, it's gonna be a slow burn for Brooklyn because What they got, 6 and 14 now is that those are the picks in the first round for the Nets.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I believe you're right.

[Caller/Listener]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they do have, they have two. They, they fell out of the top five. They had one of the worst records and they fell to six. So they already. That hurt them. You win 20 games and you get the six pick. That's not exactly a celebration. But yeah, they had five first rounders last year. I think they hit on two. They've got two more this year and they've really got to start accelerating their build too because Adam Silver is not going to put up with them sitting there in the lottery once again. As you know, the rules are going to be against them next year.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, and you know what? We've had a lot of fun at the Nets expense because of the Knicks championship and the irrelevancy of the Brooklyn Nets wasn't that long ago they were, you know, inches away from, from beating the bucks and making a run of their own. And it's, and it's fun when both teams are good. Right. And if they want to answer, I think it's important and they're not going to win a championship anytime soon. But if they could start building to where instead of, you know, how many losses they have to where maybe competing to get into a play in, you know, become relevant again, start winning some games and having some of these deals work, I think is, it's good, it's good for the NBA to have both of these teams competing for the same real estate again.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's important. Look, they have a ton of cap space as well as these draft picks. That's why you absorb a salary like Julius Randall. And that's again for them right now it's going to be tough for them to attract free agents to want to come play for them. So they have to bring in players this way and at least bring in veteran players and capable players and all star level players. And the only way to do it is to make trades like this. So they got one. I'm curious to see what more they can do to get a little bit older and a little bit more talented. Because again, there were some games last year where. And that Coaching staff. I will say this again. You're right, Don. We do, you know, have some fun at the expense of the franchise. But I will say that coaching staff led by Jordy Fernandez is a fantastic coaching staff. And I'm not. This is, you know, I'm not just. There's not patronizing. I'm telling you, that's a really good coaching staff they have there. They deserve talent because when Jordy Fernandez and that crew gets some talent, they're going to win games.

[Chris Carlin]

Well, you've got coverage. 7:30 on 10:50 and the ESPN app anchored by Alan Hahn. The NBA draft and we will see you, I guess, again on Thursday.

[Alan Hahn]

I look forward to it. Fellas, this is this time of year. I've never studied more than I have now in high school, in college, I never studied that much. And shows, I'm sure. Are you saying it's all just cramming right now?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you saying the last month you didn't have a ton of time to spend on prospective draft picks?

[Alan Hahn]

I was a little. A little distracted, yeah. I couldn't put it. Couldn't put the requisite time in to start learning all the things I need to do. But luckily I've got a great group with me. Seth Greenberg, P.J. carlissimo, Corey Alexander.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like you dream of.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys know it. This, this is. This is a dream team, I'm telling you. And they have all the answers. I just have to ask the questions.

[Chris Carlin]

All right, buddy, have fun. We'll see you in a couple of days.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks, boys.

[Chris Carlin]

All right, that is the great Alan Hahn coverage. 7:30 on the ESPN app and on 10:50.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Sometimes you just can't take it anymore. This is let's Talk About It Tuesday with Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Chris Carlin]

Here we go. Talk about It Tuesday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh yeah, I've been hyped up for

[Chris Carlin]

this one now because, whoopee. I know we're paid to give opinions. As we were talking about earlier in the show. I'm kind of right on the fence with this one. And I and I really want to talk about it. I want to talk about it with you. I want to talk about it with Jacob and Anthony. I want to talk about with the listeners.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about the people?

[Chris Carlin]

9193776 the people, our family. If you haven't seen it by now, last night during the loss, apparently for the second time this year, but the first time that the manager noticed it, Jazz Chisholm came out with a Blow pop. And if you don't know what a blow pop is, basically it's a lollipop that if you don't know what a

[Peter Rosenberg]

blow pop is, get your life together.

[Chris Carlin]

Listen, why can't we educate the people that don't know instead of just accepting the ignorance, right? Instead of, you know, the tootsie Roll. At the end of all the licks, you get some bubble gum. So he goes out with the lollipop. And he was on Talking Yankees, Aaron Boone today and was asked how he felt about jazz going out basically with a lollipop. And the first time I think anybody has ever seen that in the history of baseball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is that the history of baseball?

[Chris Carlin]

I've never seen it. And that seems to be the consensus that nobody has ever seen that. I've seen UL Washington with his toothpick. You know, I've seen quirky things happen. Or I grew up where you were able to chew tobacco, and I remember not knowing what chewing tobacco was. So whenever I would see somebody with the big huge wad of something in their cheek, I always thought it was a gobstopper. Because I was a kid, I only knew candy. I didn't know you could chew tobacco. I knew you smoked it. I didn't know you chewed it. You know, so listen, we've seen strange things on the ball field. You see, Jimmy Leland was smoking a cigarette. Keith Hernandez was caught smoking a cigarette in the dugout.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jim Leland with a heater like you dream about.

[Chris Carlin]

And we've seen sunflower seeds on the field, too. So it's not unique to have that oral fixation on the ball field. But here's what Aaron had to say earlier today on Talking Yankees Jazz.

[Anthony]

Has a lollipop in his mouth. Second time this year we've seen him play with a lollipop in his mouth. Is there anything that you care about there?

[Chris Carlin]

What are the analytics there? Oh, yeah, that pisses me off.

[Jacob]

Okay.

[Anthony]

Because I didn't know about it until after the game. So he and I talked about that.

[Alan Hahn]

That, that won't be going on.

[Caller/Listener]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, we, we both got uncles coming

[Anthony]

out of the woodwork that just don't like that. Second time.

[Chris Carlin]

There was another time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

In Boston when he was freezing cold with he, He.

[Chris Carlin]

He took an at bat with lollipop in his mouth.

[Anthony]

In Boston.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, that's not on that. All right, I. Again, I just told you. UL Washington, you know, look him up, infielder for the Kansas City Royals had a toothpick in his mouth. Matter of fact, if you go to Google, any picture, batting, fielding, always had a toothpick. And I don't remember ever running anybody before or since having a toothpick. You can understand the dangers of that even more so than a lollipop. Obviously a line drive, you end up swallowing, that could be a problem. But a toothpick, you know, Sharp edges. It doesn't take much, I think, you know, to bite the wrong way. You can cut your lip, your tongue. It just seems pretty dangerous now. This was back in the 70s when obviously we were at war and we didn't care about the peril of ballplayers about anything. I'm not. Here's why it bothers me now. Boone's gone because he's old school. He's third generation baseball. And I think he's a little. Honestly, I think he's a little aggravated that he got caught not knowing the first time. I think got a little embarrassed because he's the manager of the team and he's being told by John Boy. Yeah. That he went to an at bat, which I think is even more dangerous with a lollipop and he didn't notice. So I think that put him in a mood, but I can understand it being ticked off. He's a third generation ballplayer. It seems kind of childish to do it. I don't think it's that big of a deal, Peter. But what bothers me about it is I think the reasoning. Jazz just wants attention. You know, if there was a ball player that felt like maybe you all Washington, I never heard an answer why he had a toothpick, but maybe it was just something he felt like he needed to do. And he always did it like he constantly did. If there was a ballplayer that came up, it's like, I got to have a lollipop and you go out and you hit 350 home runs. Do whatever the hell you want. There's no rule against it. It just doesn't look great. But when you, when roguely do it, occasionally you pick a time when your team's losing their third game in a row. It just kind of. It makes me feel like it's a little bit of an attention grabber. So that to me bothers me a little bit, but piss me off. The manager that defends everything that goes on and all the things his players do, this is what you're going to take a stand on. So. So are you saying overall, I'm kind of on the fence about it, but you're leaning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's where you're leaning. It sounds like to me, not that you're defending Jazz, but that you think, because you do think it's nozzle y but you think it's kind of weak that Boone wouldn't go at other people who do ridiculous things, make terrible fielding decisions, are unprepared. It seems in a moment but when a guy comes out with a lollipop in his mouth, granted, it looks a little goofy. You could view this as no harm, no foul, relative. And this is the thing where he outwardly displays it pisses me off.

[Chris Carlin]

Right. Because it wasn't like, yeah, not a great look, I talked to him about it, but it's not a big deal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Which it seems like they would do if you cost them a game.

[Caller/Listener]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

With a bad throw.

[Chris Carlin]

That pissed me off all the, all the time that, you know, a player doesn't bust it down the first baseline. Oh, Walt's not that big of a deal. You know, I talk to him about it, it'll be fine, it won't happen again, blah, blah, blah. It's. Listen, I, I don't feel like Jazz is long to be here. He just doesn't feel like a Yankee to me. But at the same time, I'm like, not defending him. But really, this is the, this is what, where you're going to go to war with. You're going to, you're going to stand on this. It just seems, it just seems strange. So on the surface it looks like it's no big deal, but I think you dig a little deeper. Maybe it kind of tells you the relationship the Jazz has with the Yankees. And it might not be the best

[Peter Rosenberg]

one, just considering that he literally will defend everything that they do. I mean, if one of the players who it seems like he is on good terms with really just, you know, is completely abse minded, you know, forgot how many outs there were, you know, gets a ground ball with two outs in the ninth, turns around and just throws the ball into the crowd. It would be like, well, hey, we got.

[Chris Carlin]

You think of all those times we

[Peter Rosenberg]

got to clean that up. Volpe is the one who comes to mind the most. We got to clean that up. But this, it is so like, it's not so much that I'm like mad at Boone for it, but it's. It's telling to me.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah. And I just don't think Jazz is long for here. And I always hate to have these conversations with the listeners and the fans because the people that love Jazz are going to defend them. The people that hate Jazz are going to kill them. I'm not coming from any place of. I'm completely neutral. I mean, I have, I'm not a Yankee fan, but I've got nothing against Jazz. Doesn't. Not exactly my type of ballplayer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What do you mean when you say that?

[Chris Carlin]

Well, because I just think he's. He's flashy for the sense of attention. I, I don't like that he's going to hit 50 home runs and then what is he going to hit, like 15 this year? Like, I just don't like the bull. It's not very Yankee. Like, I don't, I don't, I don't dislike him as a person. He's just not the kind of ball player I love. And I think this is just another one of those. I'm going to just be that guy and go out there with a lollipop. It might be this. You could say it's similar to a toothpick and it's similar to sunflower seeds or tobacco.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, there's nothing childish about it.

[Chris Carlin]

There is something just like, listen, I

[Peter Rosenberg]

don't want to overdo it. No, this is, let me put it this way. If there was a guy who was playing great baseball and didn't have any, there wasn't anyone talking about anything with them, I don't think you'd really care very much. It would look a little funny and goo like, what was that about?

[Chris Carlin]

That's goofy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it jumps off a little bit more, obviously because people don't seem to be thrilled with, with.

[Chris Carlin]

He has, but this is kind of what the Yankees have become a little bit right now. You're allowed to wear the beards and you're allowed to have, you know, the personality you couldn't have before. But I would accept it a little more. There's no more old school managers per se. But if that happened and Buck was managing the team, I would expect Buck to react that way because he's Buck Showalter. He's called players out before.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Chris Carlin]

He holds players accountable. I would not, I would not say Boone is the hold, at least publicly hold players accountable kind of manager.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not his vibe.

[Chris Carlin]

And to not come to Jazz's immediate defense, to me, tells me that there's other issues. That's why I thought it was a little deeper. When you saw it, did you laugh? Did you bother you? Did you not even think about it? Like, what came to mind when you did it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I saw it under the context of look what Jazz did. So I was kind of like, well, that's interesting. If I were watching the game, I think, wow, lollipop in the mouth. You don't, you know, men don't, I mean, did you just leave the dentist's office? Men don't have lollipops that often. You know, grown, grown ass men.

[Chris Carlin]

So, you know, the only time I will Walk out and I will have a lollipop. Is my. My barber has them at the cash Barbers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dentist.

[Chris Carlin]

Like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what?

[Chris Carlin]

I'll grab one for the ride. Why not treat yourself.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What? Got Blow pop?

[Chris Carlin]

No, dumb dumb. They're the dumb dumbs. Exactly. I'm not a huge fan of lollipop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. Even though, let's be honest, the best lollipop in my opinion is a blow Pop or a Tootsie Roll. I probably prefer a Tootsie Pop.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it's not.

[Chris Carlin]

What if you have one of those big huge ones like the Kramer had and Seinfeld just run out of the field with like an all day sucker, you know?

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, that would be hilarious if today he did that. But what are like the multicolored gigantic ones.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, it's just a weird choice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, but what are the other. You know what? I want to go to a correspondent.

[Chris Carlin]

Yes. Let's go to the other room of correspondent.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'd like to go to a Yankee boy, number one. Aunt Pusick.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And get his thoughts. Ap, do you, do you have any thoughts on it? And for a two part question, number one, did you have any thoughts on the lollipop of all? And number two, where are you at with Yaz overall?

[Anthony]

Here's my thoughts. Huh. Is that a lollipop in Jazz's mouth? Followed by why can't Garrett Cole get out of the fifth inning? I was far more concerned with the fact that they were down. I think it was four to one at the time in the fifth inning and that the offense hasn't looked great over the last three days. Then Jazz having lollipop in his mouth. All right, I didn't care. Okay, but you know when I say but like that's Jazz. Like if Judge did it, I'd be like, that's kind of weird. But Jazz having lollipop in his mouth. I'm like, that's, that's jazz. Jazz part weird stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, part two though, like Don saying what he said. And again, he doesn't have a dog in the fight, but he just. Jazz doesn't give him Yankee vibes. Where are you at with that? Do you think Jazz has been fine as Yankee? You happy with him?

[Anthony]

I think Jazz is fine. I think that they, when, listen, when they traded for him, they knew the personality they were getting and they felt, I believe it was Cashman that said it, that they needed something like that. So he certainly came with. But I think that what they were looking for is more what Caballero does Which is irritate everybody around against them, not irritate people on the team. Because it seems like Boone might be getting irritated by it, which is probably not great.

[Chris Carlin]

Well, see, that's, See, that's the third part of it, Anthony, is no matter how you feel about it or how the rest of the fans feel about it, they're the opposition. But if he was brought here to kind of, for lack of a better phrase, jazz things up, is it a problem that the manager says, it pisses me off when guys that don't bust it down the line, guys that have made mistakes, mental errors he'll defend, this is the line he decides to draw.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, Lollipop.

[Chris Carlin]

Well, yeah, pisses me off.

[Anthony]

Well, that, that's, that's kind of odd. But we've seen, we've seen Boone get annoyed at certain things where you're like, really? That's the thing you're getting annoyed at? We see him get annoyed at check swings. They get him kicked out of games, which we think are.

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, but that's just, that's the competition of a.

[Anthony]

Sure.

[Chris Carlin]

Like, maybe sometimes they're performative, but I just think he's an old school baseball guy that wants to win.

[Anthony]

Maybe it was Boone's lollipop. Do we ever, did we ever consider that?

[Chris Carlin]

Yeah, maybe he was pissed off because that was. He stole his lollipop.

[Anthony]

Yeah.

[Chris Carlin]

But you know, what do you think about my theory of he was in a mood because he had to be told that it happened before and he didn't know?

[Anthony]

Well, I, I, here's the other thing. Now, this, of course, is the day after already, and he was on with John Boy and they do a great job with him.

[Chris Carlin]

They do.

[Anthony]

And they, and they asked him and he. Even the other stuff about. I didn't know that this was the second time that me and him talked about it. So clearly he knew about it last night. Nobody in the press asked him about it, but he felt the need to tell John Boy that he talked to Jazz about it after the game. So clearly he felt away about it last night and said, hey, we're not doing that anymore. Well, the fact that it happened again, maybe Jazz thought he got away with it the first time, but now that he knows, he's probably not thrilled.

[Chris Carlin]

Well, it's out there. I know Jacob's a Met fan, but you should be able to throw your two cents in, Jake, if you, if you have any.

[Jacob]

I don't see any issue with the lollipop scandal just because scandal. A lot of people gonna see it

[Chris Carlin]

like that lollipop gate. You gotta throw gate after it if it's anything.

[Jacob]

Lollipop gate. Just because baseball is coming from a sport where chewing tobacco, chewing sunflower seeds, those are things you could choke on while swinging a bat.

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[Jacob]

And fielding a baseball. So I mean, with the lollipop thing, I'm not really jumping out the window for it now. Do the Yankees in totality need to do better? Are these the type of distractions you want from a player on the team? Not really. But it wasn't something that was egregious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think Anthony and Jacob kind of nailed the general feeling.

[Chris Carlin]

But what I'd like to get to the bottom why did Jazz do it? Was he not finished with it and didn't want to throw it away or you know, I'm just going to be that guy. Is jazz that guy? 1-800-919-3776. Your thoughts on this obviously, and other things that we're going to be talking about today, including an en coming up at 6 o'. Clock. But just like the New Jersey Devils bring intensity on the ice, Viking Pest Control brings that same level of protection to your home. And I know this because I use Viking at my own home. The season may be over, but pests are always in play. So it's time to lock in your off season defense. As the pest control provider and proud partner of the Devil's, Viking delivers 45 years of trusted experience to keep ants, cockroaches, stinging insects, rodents, mosquitoes and more out of your zone. They've got a local team that builds a personalized game plan that actually works. And when you bundle pest control mosquito services, you score big savings. Just let them know what's the problem. Ants the problem. They'll focus on that. Rodent's the problem. They'll do that one call, one company. Total peace of mind. Visit vikingpest.com protecting your home inside and out.

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[Caller Tony]

Fellas, how we doing?

[Chris Carlin]

Good.

[Caller/Listener]

Good, Good.

[Caller Tony]

So, yeah, I got two quick questions for you. The first thing is, don, you mentioned UL Washington. Now, I'm 34, so didn't really know him. I went to the Google machine on the Pooter and I haven't. And, and every single picture of this man on the Google machine, he has a toothpick in his mouth. So I guess my question to you is because I'm 34, I don't remember. I mean, was it a big deal when UL Washington, like, was it talked about like, like this is.

[Chris Carlin]

No. I mean, it was talked about in a way of like a uniqueness, like, he's got a toothpick. It was never discussed. Now, this was before sports radio and Twitter and all that, but it was kind of, it was kind of looked upon as an interesting quirk. Now, here's the difference. He always did it. As you said, it's in every single picture. It's who he was. He wanted to have a toothpick, and he was a good enough player that I guess they let him do it. Jazz has done it twice. He. So it's not a thing. Like, if jazz came up and, and a lollipop was a thing and everybody was okay with it, it would probably be something that would be adored and liked and done by other players. But he does it sparingly. He does it as if to kind of make a statement. You all Washington, I'd love to do the work to see why he did it. Maybe he was trying to quit smoking, I don't know. But is there a difference, Peter, between just somebody that just always did it? Is it how occasional it is, make it more like jazz as being that.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It seems when it's occasional, it feels like there's no method to it. You're just like, don't care about the game, that it's stupid. But that's how people feel. I think it's like really just having yourself a lollipop, huh? When really it might have been. Let's look from jazz perspective. By the way, we have the most ridiculous job in the world. What's dumber than sports talk radio? We're debating a man eating a lollipop. But I get paid for it, so let's do it. Isn't there a chance it's just like he keeps snacks with them during the game and you feel like your blood sugar is low and you're like, I want a lollipop. That's what I'm. And then the inning ends and you go, I mean, I can play in the field. He's an infielder. I can go and play in the field and have a lollipop in my mouth. I'm not going to get blindsided and get hit in the mouth. Now it is weird. You get a really sharply hit ball that you have to run for. Are you sprinting with the lollipop in your mouth? Seems a little weird, but maybe he thought, I'm going to finish it in two seconds. How much do we know how long he kept it in his mouth? Did they go back to him several times?

[Chris Carlin]

I don't.

[Anthony]

It was in the whole half inning. It was there. It's not like he, like, you know, chucked it into the dugout at any point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's interesting because I would have thought you take a few sucks and then you bite, like kind of bite the whole thing off and say, let's move on now.

[Chris Carlin]

Oh, yeah, like he really worked it. Or, you know, maybe if he had said, listen, it's something I do between innings. I forgot that it was there and I went onto the field and didn't realize I was still sucking on it.

[Anthony]

If that was the explanation. Boone doesn't say today he doesn't love it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I mean, this guy's a Bella danger. He was going to work out there.

[Chris Carlin]

But no, let's not make the mistake of. All we were worried about. Is it just. Baseball's kind of quirky. There's some things that work and some things that don't. I guess a toothpick is, hey, this guy means business. A guy in lollipop is like, hey, we're losing the game and he's sucking on a lollipop like a. Like a six year old. Grow up. Like, now I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but I'm just saying that that's how baseball players probably look. Hey, there's all these unwritten rules. Some things work, some things don't. You. You taught me that. Hits different toothpick hits different than a lollipop. It's a completely different thing, even though it's kind of the same thing. Let's go to Stephen in Queens. You're on. Don Hanna, Rosenberg.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey, good afternoon, fellas. How you doing?

[Chris Carlin]

What's up?

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah, Don, how you doing, man?

[Chris Carlin]

Good.

[Caller/Listener]

All right, so I agree with you, man. Listen, you know, like, sometimes when you're a kid, man, you do so much that sometimes one. Sometimes it's not even that tippy over. It just, it's just so much, you know, I mean, I guess born and everybody's. Not really everybody, but, like, Boone is kind of tired of his antics and all that stuff. You know, he's always trying to be that guy like you say, you know, I mean, he's a grown man, but he's always trying to act some attention thing.

[Caller Tony]

I don't know.

[Chris Carlin]

But, but it is. I mean, Stephen, like, like Anthony said before, like, one of the reasons Cashman got him is he's kind of quirky and, and, and doesn't take himself as seriously. And they were looking as that as a positive, and now it's, now it's gone too far. I think the more interesting topic, to Peter's point about it, we're really talking about lollipop. I think what we're really doing is having a conversation about Boone's relationship with jazz, probably. And that, to me, affects the Yankees more going forward than the fact that jazz was just being that guy.

[Podcast Host Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the

[Podcast Host Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Podcast Host Don Hahn]

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