Hour 2: Burrow & That Guy Thursday

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

ESPN New York | Hour 2: Burrow & That Guy Thursday
Air Date: December 18, 2025
Hosts: Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, Don La Greca

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Episode Overview

This episode blends classic New York sports banter with hot-button topics, focusing on growing speculation over Joe Burrow's future with the Cincinnati Bengals and the potential implications for the Jets and Giants. The hosts dive deep into the discourse around Burrow’s apparent dissatisfaction, the realities of NFL quarterback trades, what the Jets or Giants could offer, and whether either is an attractive destination. The show's second half shifts to "That Guy Thursday," where memorable player antics and personal stories about “that guy” in everyone’s life bring laughs and inside NBA and NFL color.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New York Sports Update

[00:43–01:46]

• Knicks play the Pacers; Rangers face St. Louis Blues after tough losses—“You gotta get two points.”
• Alan gets nostalgic about his past as a radio update guy, sharing the "Pavlovian" urge to jump in when he hears Rangers intro music—“There is this twitch that I feel when I hear the introduction music and I think I've got to say something.” (Alan Hahn, 01:10)
• Adapting to being out of the booth—"Dan's doing a wonderful job. But it's an adjustment. It is certainly an adjustment." (Alan Hahn, 02:30)

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2. The Joe Burrow Situation: Will He Stay or Go?

[02:55–17:29]

The Hosts’ Case for a Burrow Move

• Alan and Peter claim their show was first to 'sniff' the Burrow unrest story—“We just happen to notice the smoke before everybody else. Now it's starting to burn.” (Rosenberg, 03:41)

League-Wide Rumor Mill

• Dan Graziano & Dan Orlovsky (via clip) [04:24–05:11]:
  Speculation that Burrow could "pull an Andrew Luck" (retire from injuries) or "Carson Palmer" (force trade), or have off-field issues citing his “uncharacteristically glum” demeanor.
• Reaction:
  • “Glum” becomes a running joke—“Glum had kind of like been out of our lexicon for a long time, but I think now it's forcing its way back in.” (Rosenberg, 05:23)

How Real Is It?

• Mike Tannenbaum (clip) [05:38–06:18]:
  “He's not saying this stuff just to share it in a diary. He's saying it publicly to make a clear declaration… How many teams should call? …So every team basically in the NFL outside of, let's give it eight to be high, should be having conversations right now.”
  • Alan: “So it's a reality now.” [06:25]
  • Rosenberg: "Now do you believe us?" [06:26]
• What do the Jets or Giants have to offer? Multiple first-round picks, possibly even the no. 1 overall, but few franchises are really positioned to outbid.
• The dilemma: “If I win a game or two here and I end up with like the fourth or fifth pick… It is not as valuable as having the number one pick.” (Rosenberg, 07:36)

Would Burrow Approve a Trade to NY?

• Rosenberg: “Joe Burrow doesn’t want to be a Jet. He’d be going from the frying pan right into the fire... He’d want somewhere with a history of winning, a good coach—like Matthew Stafford to the Rams.” [09:38]
• Alan: "Jets are a dumpster fire as far as wins and losses are concerned, but they treat their players well. They've got a world class facility..." [11:18]

The No-Trade Clause Conundrum

• Raises question of how much power Burrow actually has over destination.
• Rosenberg notes: “He does have the no trade. So… if you're the Jets... he could look at you and go, that's not where I'm going.” [13:58]
• Alan: “If he wants out, maybe the Jets aren't the most attractive place, but really, it might just come down to anything but Cincinnati.” [12:25]

What Should the Jets Do?

• Rosenberg: “If you're the Jets… you may never need to even have that type of recruiting video. But it doesn’t mean you don’t prepare—because that 1% chance tells you you have a chance.” [16:00–17:29]
• Alan: “That means maybe having to live with the embarrassment of being told, no, I don’t want to play for you.” [17:22]
• Rosenberg: “Shoot your shot though.” [17:29]

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3. Jets/Giants, Aaron Glenn, and Fans' Disappointment

[17:48–21:53]

• Caller Brad (Montclair) debates with Alan about the disappointing tenure of Aaron Glenn. Brad believes Glenn should be out due to the defensive collapse, while Alan argues expectations were already lowered after the Aaron Rodgers injury and unjustified optimism:
  • “How when you go from Aaron Rodgers to Justin Fields? What were your expectations?” (Alan Hahn, 19:03)
  • “There was nothing to me more overrated than how good this defense was.” (Alan Hahn, 19:57)
  • Rosenberg: “They should have been a better defense... That’s on Steve Wilks.” [20:26]

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4. That Guy Thursday

[24:00–38:36]

The Theme

• Exploring the concept of "that guy"—the friend or teammate who is always doing something mischievous, embarrassing, or just comical in group settings. Parallels drawn to NBA/NFL “characters.”

Josh Hart: Memorable Antics (NBA, Knicks)

• Josh Hart publicly jokes about Jalen Brunson's lack of athleticism—then riffs live:
  • "Not physically impressive, not athletic, but he's able to manipulate defense... inch for inch, I think he's probably the best one." (Josh Hart/Alan Hahn, [26:14])
• Brunson takes the ribbing in stride, culminating in the “check the oil” prank during the Knicks’ post-win celebration—moment captured on TV.
  • Rosenberg: “We all have that one friend. Josh Hart’s that one friend. And in a couple of cases while the Knicks were on the national stage, he was being that guy.” [28:42]

Puka Nacua: NFL Rookie "That Guy"

• Alan’s pick: Rams rookie WR Puka Nacua, for controversial podcast comments claiming NFL officials want TV stardom and intentionally throw flags:
  • "These guys are lawyers, and, like, they want to be on TV, too, bro." [33:36]
• Further criticizes Nacua for suggesting concussions are "all in your head"—highlighting the dangers of “just BSing” as a sports celebrity.
  • Rosenberg: “You can be extremely physically talented and still be a dumbass.” [34:40]

Referee Showmanship

• Discussion about sports officials who “make it about themselves,” especially during televised moments—examples from NHL (Wes McCauley), NBA (Bill Kennedy).
  • Alan: “There are times, I do think that they try to get attention, you know, whether it's a home plate umpire with a grandiose strike call.” [35:35]
  • Rosenberg: “Bill Kennedy, when he gets the chance to do the review ... he has one of these radio voices. Like, he's really good, not only with the sound of his voice, but the inflection and how he uses it. … He does make it about him in that moment.” [37:21]

Personal Stories: Everyone Has "That Guy"

• Stories about friends who can’t resist causing a scene—embarrassing or confusing their buddies for laughs.
  • Alan recalls a “grabby” prank when doing a lottery voiceover: “For that brief moment, it could be her... knowing Tim, he did it because he wanted my mind to be split in that second.” [31:58]
• Both hosts reflect: “You can’t really get mad at me because we’re best friends.” (Alan Hahn, 29:52)

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5. Pop Culture: 30 for 30 and Tarantino

[40:44–48:59]

Why No 30 for 30 on the Islanders Dynasty?

• Fans’ suggestion: “why no 30 for 30 on that Islander team that won 19 consecutive series?” [40:44]
• Alan and Peter debate ESPN’s programming choices, audience size—“That’s not a big enough fan base” vs. recognizing greatness regardless of market size.
• Childlike excitement at seeing themselves or friends on TV:
  • “It is something to see someone you know on TV and it's like Jumbotron…” [44:31]
  • “Still get a kick out of…a spot that runs on MSG…never do, because it's such a cool thing.” [45:46]

Tarantino Movies Mini-Rankings

• The hosts riff on Quentin Tarantino's films, bemoan "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" being underrated by IMDb, and joke about Tarantino's newfound grumpiness:
  • "He's got old and angry, I guess." (Rosenberg, 47:29)
  • “Don’t be a little bit angry.” (Alan, 47:37)
  • Quick rundown of favorite films: "Pulp Fiction" usually ranked #1, “Reservoir Dogs” high up.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Early Scent on Burrow Rumors:
  "We just happen to notice the smoke before everybody else. Now it's starting to burn. There's some embers. This is a fire now." (Rosenberg, 03:41)
• The Power of Assets:
  “If I have five first rounds, including the number one overall pick, who's got more than I got to give you...But if I win a game or two here…I end up with the fourth or fifth pick… it is not as valuable as having the number one pick.” (Rosenberg, 07:08)
• Is New York Attractive for Burrow?:
  “The Jets are a dumpster fire as far as wins and losses, but they treat their players well...they’ve got a world-class facility...” (Alan Hahn, 11:18)
• Shoot Your Shot:
  “If you're the Jets…you can't just dismiss it. He's not going anywhere. He has a no trade. He won't want to come here. No, when you're the Jets, you can't think that way. You have to be prepared to do whatever it takes to get him. Make him say no. If he does, hey, you tried.” (Rosenberg, 16:00-17:29)
• That Guy Thursday (Josh Hart’s Antics):
  "Not physically impressive, not athletic, but he's able to manipulate defense... inch for inch, I think is probably the best." (Josh Hart via Alan, 26:14)
  “You could see Brunson stops and turns around, real quick and stares at him. … In that moment, you saw his face, like, really here. Right here in front of all these people. Tremendous.” (Rosenberg, 28:17)
• Puka Nacua on NFL Officials:
  “These guys are lawyers, and, like, they want to be on TV, too bro...I think he's...texting his friends in the group chat, like, yo, you guys just saw me Sunday Night Football.” (Alan Hahn, 33:36)
• On Celebrity Dumb Comments:
  “You can be extremely physically talented and still be a dumbass.” (Rosenberg, 34:40)

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Timestamps for Select Segments

• 00:43–01:46 – NY sports update, Rangers optimism, Alan’s radio nostalgia
• 02:55–04:24 – Show claims "first" on Burrow-to-NY rumors
• 04:24–05:11 – Dan Graziano and Orlovsky on Burrow rumors
• 05:38–06:18 – Mike Tannenbaum: Every NFL team (but 8) should call about Burrow
• 07:08–09:14 – Pick value, Giants/Jets tanking scenarios
• 09:38–11:18 – Does Burrow want to be a Jet? The “destination” argument
• 13:58–14:28 – Burrow’s no-trade clause
• 17:48–21:53 – Caller Brad bashes Aaron Glenn; hosts debate expectations and defensive performance
• 24:00–38:36 – That Guy Thursday: Josh Hart, Puka Nacua, and best-friend/prankster stories
• 40:44–48:59 – Islanders 30 for 30 debate, seeing yourself on TV, Tarantino movie rankings

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Language & Tone

• Banter-filled, irreverent, warm New York sports radio conversation
• Hosts blend insider knowledge with relatable personal stories, humility, and ribbing
• Willingness to “play out the hypothetical”—even if it’s low-probability
• Occasionally earnest when discussing sports history and legacy

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode offers a thorough, entertaining deep dive into the possibility of a Joe Burrow trade as a real NFL domino—especially for New York’s teams—while recapping key talking points surfacing around the league. If you want to understand how sports rumors gather momentum and how local media debates them with unique candor, plus enjoy a segment celebrating sports personalities who are magnetic, annoying, or both, this is a quintessential Don, Hahn & Rosenberg hour.

For NBA and NFL fans, the “That Guy Thursday” stories are a light-hearted but revealing look at team cultures and friendships, while the sports movie and documentary discussion closes things out with a dose of media nostalgia and fun.

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Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

Game time is brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time. Alan. Yeah, it's Tully time. It's Tully time. The Knicks visit the Pacers with coverage immediately following us on 880 at 6:30 the Rangers are in St. Louis to battle the Blues. That's not a must win, but after a couple of tough losses, you lose to the Canucks. Blues aren't any good.

[Rosenberg]

How about must score?

[Alan Hahn]

The Rangers are on the road, which has been a haven for them. You got to get two points. There's going to be conversation tomorrow if they don't get two points in St. Louis. And so coverage will be on 1050 beginning at 7:30. And I'm assuming Dan Grasse will handle that. And the Nets host the heat at 7:30. You know when I, when I listen to a Ranger game, and I do a lot of times in the car listening to a Ranger game, sure. There is this like, like a twitch that I feel when I hear the introduction music and I think I've got to, I've got to say something.

[Rosenberg]

You got to jump in.

[Alan Hahn]

And then they say, you know, Dan Gross. And I'm like, okay, I'm good. They don't need me. Right? I'm not doing that anymore. That used to be when I did updates for a long time, you know, at the Fan. Because when I did updates at the Fan, the responsibility of the update guy was to give a little 10 second update during the ID, like so I would give the idea, but I would give like a Met score. Not a Met score because they had the Mets. But you know what I'm saying, the Yankee score or something going on. And for years after leaving the fan, whenever I hear let's pause 10 seconds for Stacy to identify, I would be like, my head would go up. I go, wait a minute, I don't have anything. I'm not in the studio.

[Rosenberg]

You get so used to Pavlovian. Right? That's what it's become for you.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, because you get used to it, man. And I did the pre and post and I didn't do the pre and post. I did the games. But Dan's doing a wonderful job. But it's. It's an adjustment. It is certainly an adjustment. We'll get back to your calls because a lot of people are really hot on talking about Aaron Glenn, really down on. Glenn want change. They got excited, they got movement when they heard Mike Florio say that he could be one and done. I don't get it.

[Rosenberg]

But it's.

[Alan Hahn]

I never hang on the rim. It's not my thing. And if anybody should hang on the rim on this, it's Alan. But we, we started the conversation about Burrow way before Burrow ever even said anything. So I feel like if it ever does happen, this show deserves its flowers and Alan Hahn deserves flowers for starting the conversation. And listen, you take the slings and arrows with it because a lot of people just thought we were ridiculous. Mel Kuiper on the morning show, who's talking about Joe Burrow to the jets or the Giants, you know, but now Burrow keeps talking. And now people are starting to pick up on something. They're just. They're getting a scent. You know, it's been in our nostrils for like a month. But. But now people are starting to pick.

[Rosenberg]

Up the scent where there's smoke.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

We just happen to notice the smoke before everybody else. But now, now it's starting to burn. There's. There's some embers. This is, this is a fire now.

[Alan Hahn]

And there were some allegations. Whoever smelt it, dealt it. I get that. That people thought we were just making stuff up. And no, that's a great usage of.

[Rosenberg]

That old phrase, by the way, in this context.

[Alan Hahn]

There's people like that. So. But I should say before we continue, Tullamore Dew, the original triple distilled triple one did in triple cast mature at Iris Whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew, honey. Oh, Today's action glasses up to enjoying Tullamore due responsibly. But now it's a thing. It was a thing on SportsCenter earlier today and it was a thing on getup. Dan Graziano, who we both really respect, said lots of speculation as to Burrow's future.

[Dan Orlovsky]

This has been a big talking point throughout the league for about the last week because people want to try and figure out what it all means. Is Joe Burrow starting to sound like he could go down an Andrew Luck path? Remember he retired early because he got sick of rehabbing injuries so often, and Burrow has had a lot of those. So some think it could be a Carson Palmer situation where he didn't like being in Cincinnati and forced his way out of there and got a trade a long time ago. And then, of course, you know, Ja' Marr Chase, his teammate and friend, said after the game Sunday, you never know what's going on in someone's life. And that has led to some speculation. Is this football related at all? Does Joe Burrow have something going on away from the field that is bothering him and causing him to be this sort of introspective and uncharacteristically glum?

[Alan Hahn]

There you go. We heard glum. That was the big, big word in the spring. Remember with Soto?

[Rosenberg]

That's right there. Soto was glum.

[Alan Hahn]

So glum's making a comeback. You could make the case that that was a word that wasn't used for like.

[Rosenberg]

No. Glum had kind of like been out of our lexicon for a long time, but I think now it's forcing its way back in now.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, Dan Orlopski was on Get Up Burrow saying he wants out or wants change.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

One, come get me. Two, I'm not staying here. Presently constructed. I don't care what anyone says. He's not saying this stuff just to share it on a diary. He's saying it publicly to make a clear declaration of this is not going the way I wanted to. Losing sucks. It sucks. And then you're getting hurt all the time. How many teams should not call or have the plan to call Cincinnati and say five? So every team basically in the NFL outside of, let's give it eight to be high. Sure should be having conversations right now. How do we package this together? Are we going take our quarterback and two or three first round picks and call Cincinnati and say here? And I understand it from the Cincinnati fans perspective. If I were the Cincinnati Bengals, I wouldn't want to get rid of him either.

[Alan Hahn]

Duh.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

But there's a reality where he's making a very clear declaration. It's not going to continue to go this way with me as the quarterback.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's a reality now.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, now do you believe us?

[Alan Hahn]

And now if you've got as many as 24 teams making phone calls to Cincinnati, who's got five first round picks that can dance in those conversations?

[Rosenberg]

Only the Jets. All right.

[Alan Hahn]

The Giants, who I'm less high on to do this, but if they say, hey, we, we might have the first overall Pick and Jackson dart.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You can get a quarterback and get the first overall pick in the draft where you can do whatever you want to give a star player to Jackson. So all I'm saying is.

[Rosenberg]

But wouldn't this if you knew like I want to add to it. I'm sorry, I know you're saying. All I'm saying is. So I should let you finish that before I go. Go.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no, please.

[Rosenberg]

I apologize because you. What you just did though, is like you just like quick twitch just happened. It almost. If you had an idea, even if you didn't. Actually, I'm losing every damn game the rest of the season. I want that number one pick now because if I have five first rounds, including the number one overall pick, who's got more than I got to give you, you can get your next quarterback and you're getting extra picks as well. That's what. Who else has that to offer? But if I win a game or two here and I end up with like the fourth or fifth pick because of tiebreakers, everything else that is not as valuable as having the number one pick.

[Alan Hahn]

But it's more realistic for the Giants to get the first overall pick than the Jets. And the Giants don't have it. Have to have it be the first overall pick. Because if they. If they attach Jackson Dart to it and both Allen and I are in agreement, we wouldn't do this.

[Rosenberg]

It's hypothetical. I would never.

[Alan Hahn]

But we're just saying when Dan Orlopsky is tapped in, is saying there could be as many as 24 teams making phone calls. You know, the jets and the Giants, maybe not the Giants, but the jets are definitely in that conversation. Of the 24 that we'd be making that phone call. The less attractive thing about the five overall picks, the five first round picks is none of them will be the first overall pick to get Mendoza. And Mike Tannenbaum told us they're going to want a quarterback in return. Well, the jets don't have a quarterback on their roster. The only way it could become a quarterback for Cincinnati if they were to then take those picks and trade up with the Giants, with Tennessee to get Mendoza, the Raiders are going to get the first overall pick. Let's be honest. All right, So I don't think the Jets. You could tank all you want, Allen, you're. You've got too many wins. The Raiders are not going to win another game. The only game they might win is the Giant game. And you know, it's typical Giants. This is the game they're going to win just to freak out their fan base.

[Rosenberg]

All right, it's fair.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't care. You know, that's the thing. Forget about the Giants should lose. I don't care anymore. I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm dead inside when it comes to the Giants, and I want Jackson Dart to play well. And if that means they win the game, then they win the game. That's where I stand.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

But the jets, there's no scenario, you have to agree that they're going to end up with the first.

[Rosenberg]

No, no, I know I did. Like, this would have been like three weeks ago when we first started talking about it. Like. Like you got to. Internally, you'd look around at each other and go, wait a minute. If this guy's available, we need the number one pick. But, like, there's a. What. What Dan said is maybe eight teams that, that don't need a quarterback. Right? Or at least that wouldn't try to make a deal like this.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

Everybody else would. And what was I just saying an hour ago about the jets and coaches and all that stuff? Nobody wanted the job, right? Now, you would argue that if you're Joe Burrow and you have the choice, like, you know, Giannis wants to be a Nick, right? Right. Joe Burrow doesn't want to be a Jet. Like, he'd be going from the frying pan right into the fire. Like, why would you do that? He'd want to go somewhere where it's like, there's a history of winning. There's a coach there that's like a good offensive coach. Like, get me somewhere where again, Matthew Stafford went to the Rams and that was a perfect place. He left Detroit, which was just for him misery. And he went to a place where not only was the weather amazing, but the head coaches of savant and, you know, the team was great and he was the finishing touch. That's what Burrow wants to. Burrow sees the Stafford thing and said, let me do something like that.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Rosenberg]

The one, the one way the jets can. Can get around it is to say, well, he's under contract. I don't believe he has a no trade, does he?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think so.

[Rosenberg]

So he can't. He can't say, I'm not going to the Jets. It's not like there's an extension you have to worry about. He's locked so that, like, would he. Would he come and say, I don't really want to be here? Like, would he make it a problem? He Can't.

[Alan Hahn]

So I don't think it threatened, but threatened to retire. All right, well, let me tie and we'll see. But like.

[Rosenberg]

And if they got a caveat. If he retires, we. This trade is over.

[Alan Hahn]

The jets are not an attractive place to play. No, comparatively speaking.

[Rosenberg]

I'm trying to say it to people like. Like, we love having these dreams, but.

[Alan Hahn]

You got to depends on how much he wants out of Cincinnati. Like if he just hates Cincinnati. And listen, the jets are a dumpster fire as far as wins and losses are concerned, but they treat their players well. They've got a world class facility, you know, that's all he's looking for.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's a better.

[Alan Hahn]

So if he just wants out, get me anywhere. Well, I'm not going to win. The organization has no appetite to spend money. Every time we get a good player, they're holding out. I got across a highway to get to practice when it's raining. There's no indoor facility. Get me the hell out of here. Any place is better than here.

[Rosenberg]

That's still a wild story.

[Alan Hahn]

So it might not even be a case of I want to win. Yeah, you want to win, but you also want to go someplace where you feel like I could stay upright and that I can at least join my experience. Maybe he loves New York. Like, I don't think it would be a destination, but I also don't think he has much of a say. And if Cincinnati says, okay, we're going to trade you, but dude, I'm not going to take less to make you happy. Go ahead and retire. I got the jets on the horn. They want to give me five first round picks. If you want out of Cincinnati, it's going to be New York or, you know, you're not going anywhere. Is he going to say no? I don't know. But he's got to call their bluff, right? I mean, so if he wants out, maybe the jets aren't the most attractive place, but really, it might just come down to anything but Cincinnati. And I'm not gonna walk away from my contract.

[Rosenberg]

I'm curious.

[Alan Hahn]

Then where's he go?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, look, this is a real story we brought up a couple of weeks ago as like a hypothetical because, you know, he looked miserable and he wasn't playing and the jets got all these picks. And I said, what are you gonna do? That's what you do. You call Cincinnati and see if they, if they dare to say no to you. Cause we know they're cheap. And for them to get out of that contract, you could see it. But now he's starting to give you the smoke that I'm not happy here. Orlovsky's now believing it. The bus with the boys guys were also talking about it on get up. This is. This is not going away. Oh, do we have them, too? Let's hear them talking about. Oh, yeah, let's hear. What do you want first? Will or Taylor, Whatever. You know what. Dealer's choice.

[Will]

When he's talking about everything going on, and then they kind of ask him, like, do you see a world? Then they kind of zero in more on like, hey, have you ever thought about it? He kind of takes a moment to think about it and he's like, yeah, man, I think about a lot of things. To me, I feel like Joe. I feel like Joe wants to get out of Cincinnati. I feel like he wants a better situation. And whether or not his strong arming the front office to make something happen around him that he wants to see or he's trying to tell everybody else that, hey, I'm. I'm trying to figure out a way to get out of here. Hand up my agent right now.

[Rosenberg]

All right. And then Taylor, we're talking about lineups of Joe Burrow and two, like, two of Tuna. Vailoa is not Sperry Farms.

[Alan Hahn]

Joe Burrow.

[Rosenberg]

That's Disney World, buddy. That's the kind of lines you're looking at with Joe Burrow.

[Alan Hahn]

Like Grand Floridian.

[Rosenberg]

Every. Every team that needs a quarterback will give up the world for Joe Burrow.

[Mike Tannenbaum]

No question.

[Rosenberg]

Joe Burrow understands that. So now the Bengals have two choices. Make drastic moves in the off season or get rid of their franchise. Generational talent quarterback. See, and Don, I remember saying this the other day when we talked about this. He does have the no trade. So that. That's again, if you're the jets again, you are one of the sad sack organizations and you're looking for a savior and he could look at you and go, that's not where I'm going. I'm. I've already played. I want to get away from that kind of madness.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, well, if he's got a blanket no trade, then he doesn't want to go anywhere. But now he wants to go somewhere. So you can wipe your behind with it then, because what does it matter? You. You'd wave it for certain teams. But I'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face. You want to go someplace that team can't offer me, anywhere near where the jets are all for me. Why am I going to do that. Why am I going to accommodate you? You want out, Go ahead, retire. See, if you're going to walk away from that money, you're going to the jets or retire. What is he going to do now? I don't know if it'll get to that, Alan. And maybe there are teams that maybe won't have exactly what the jets can offer, but close enough where they'll go, okay, we'll do it. But if they have, they're hot for those five first round picks. If that's what the jets offer, I don't even know they would go that far, but if they did, I just don't know how. If you're Joe Burrow and wanted to be out of there so bad that you're going to play that game and say, no, I'm not going there. Well, you don't want to be here. You don't want to go there. What are you doing, Joe? Look, you're telling everybody and your mother how unhappy you are.

[Rosenberg]

What are you going to do when the season's over? They're going to have to have that exit interview. They're going to have that meeting of the minds. They'll have to figure all that out, right? That all that's going to have to happen. I'm just saying that if it ever came to a point where, I mean, I shouldn't even say what comes to a point where it already has come to a point. He's. He's floating it out there as a gm, it is on you. And Mike Tannenbaum told us this when we had him on last week. I said, what would you do in the viewer in this situation? And what he would do is make sure that they are prepared for anything, which includes the possibility of having a conversation with the Bengals about making a trade you want to be in. You want to have everything prepared and everything ready to go, how you can sell it to him and all that stuff. You may never ever use that approach. You may never need to even have that type of recruiting video. You need to do whatever it is that you. But you have to have it ready anyway. Prepare it already. You might 99% probability you'll be throwing it all in the garbage and it'll all be wasted time that you put into it. But it doesn't mean you don't Prepare because that 1% tells you have a chance. That's what you have to be doing right now if you're the Jets. And that's really all I'm trying to talk about here, because what you don't want is all of a sudden it comes out at the end of the season and now you're not prepared for it. Instead of being ahead of the game, you're chasing it. That's, that's why I feel like if you're the jets, the probability is low, but it doesn't mean you don't try because you do have the assets to do it. That's why you have to be in on this. You can't just dismiss it. He's not, he's not going anywhere. He has a no trade. He won't want to come here. No, when you're the jets, you can't think that way. You have to be prepared to do whatever it takes to get him. Make him say no. If he does, hey, you tried.

[Alan Hahn]

And that, and that means maybe having to live with the embarrassment of being told, no, I don't want to play for you.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, Shoot a shot, though.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't, don't, don't do what you did with Ben Johnson. Say, oh, we're not interested because you know he's going to say no. Let him say no. Okay? And I'll just use that as motivation to try to get better and make you regret not coming here. 1-800-919-3776 Brad in Montclair. You're on ESPN New York. Hi, Brad.

[Brad]

Hey, what's up, guys? Hey. I just wanted to respond quickly, Don, to your absurd statement that Aaron Glenn has not underperformed expectations this year. And I get there's probably like a little trolling mixed in here, but I mean, done. The team is a complete disaster. I mean, they are disaster on every single. In any type of criteria you can think about. I mean, the guy comes in here, all right, they won five games last year. They were, you know, they had a good defense. I looked it up there a third in the NFL in yards per game. All right, they had a good defense, had all the same guys back. The guy supposed to be defensive coach, they just get ran through every single game. He just fired his defensive coordinator two thirds through the season. I mean, the offense is a total disaster. You know, I mean, as far as I know, he was the guy that sat down and called Aaron Rodgers out right across country to for a 50 minute meeting where he told him to.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't buy that. I don't, I don't buy. I think that was all performance.

[Brad]

Well, okay, but whatever. But I mean, okay, okay.

[Alan Hahn]

What were your expectations? They had future hall of Fame corps, right?

[Brad]

I mean, is it, is it Not a legit expectation for the team to be better than it was last year. I mean, is that not a better.

[Alan Hahn]

How when you go from Aaron Rodgers to Justin Fields? Right there. You right there. What about Aaron Rodgers was a good quarterback in the second half of the season.

[Brad]

The defense was good last year.

[Alan Hahn]

All the same players back. He's a defensive coach. They were all terrible.

[Brad]

The defense is terrible.

[Alan Hahn]

They were. I'm just saying. Listen, their defense was fine early in the season. They just couldn't score. If they had kept Aaron Rodgers. I remember having that conversation. If they had kept Aaron Rodgers, they'd probably win that Carolina game. They probably. They win that Miami game on Thursday night. They didn't have any quarterback play. Now, if you want to blame him for that, okay. But don't tell me there were expectations when you went from Aaron Rodgers to Justin Fields and Tyrod Taylor. Once Aaron Rodgers got over his Achilles, he was a good quarterback. In the second half of the season, you still only won five games. And this. There was nothing to me more overrated, Alan, than how good this defense was.

[Rosenberg]

Well, they were good and were.

[Alan Hahn]

They had talent.

[Rosenberg]

They were. No, they. They were. And then they made the coaching change and they got bad. Like when they. Again, this all goes back to Woody. He fires Salah and that defense that was doing really well to start the season ended up falling.

[Alan Hahn]

It was a mess. But there was a. Sauce was overrated. Let's be honest. That was a good move trading him away because he was getting two picks.

[Rosenberg]

For him for the money. Yeah, no, no, that. That's fine.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, but you remember they were.

[Rosenberg]

Getting Jermaine Johnson back this year. They would thought that's going to be an impact player.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

They should have been a better defense.

[Alan Hahn]

They should have been a better defense.

[Rosenberg]

That's on Steve Wilkes.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, that's on Steve Wilkes. And if you want to say that's on Aaron Glenn. I'm not saying he doesn't have flaws, did make mistakes, but. But to Brad's point, they didn't live up to expectations. What were your expectations?

[Rosenberg]

I agree.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, how many wins did you think this team was going to have when you go from Aaron Rodgers to Justin Fields? Now, Justin Fields ended up being awful. And if you want to believe that that was all on Aaron Glenn and he was the only one that wanted Justin Fields. Come on, really, honestly, a defensive guy in Detroit, he came in and I want Justin Fields. I think he was told, you're not. Aaron Rodgers is not an option for you. He's gone and they thought they'd catch lightning in a bottle with a guy. And I'll be honest, I was wrong too. I thought, hey, he's only 26. Did some things in Chicago and Pittsburgh, you know, give it a try. It's, it's kind of like a draft pick adjacent, right? Young enough kid that maybe. And it didn't work out. And they also had, you know, no weapons. They couldn't stay healthy. It was just a mess offensively, and that was why they were losing games early on. That Carolina game, it was just back and forth, three and out, three and out, three and out, three and out. Both teams, there were so many opportunities to win and they didn't have a quarterback to throw the ball downfield. So when you say, what were your expectations? How many wins did you think this team was going to have? Now, maybe he wasn't as good as we thought he would be, but enough to get fired.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. We all have that one friend I'M.

[Alan Hahn]

Talking about the yo yos who set themselves on fire and bathe in pork and beans.

[Don Hahn]

Or know that one person I'm here with my family who can't help but be.

[Rosenberg]

He's not cool.

[Alan Hahn]

His voice is weird. He's kind of a dork. His brother's a tool. His girlfriend's annoying.

[Don Hahn]

That guy.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't know it was banner night. We won't be out for that.

[Don Hahn]

It's time for that Guy Thursday.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, guys, Anyone want to play some.

[Don Hahn]

Ball with Don Hahn and Rosenberg?

[Alan Hahn]

He's just being that guy. I think that drop with Alan really makes the open for that Guy Thursday. You want to play some ball? That Guy Thursday is driven by Ramsey Mazda. Would you like to start?

[Rosenberg]

I. I would, if you don't mind. Yeah, because this is more entertaining. It's. I think this is a. You know how our intro starts. We all have that one friend.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

Jalen Brunson has that one friend, and we all love him. But what he brings to the. What he's brought to the team since the Knicks got him on the court. Phenomenal play, all the things you love, but, man, there are times where Josh Hart can be that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay?

[Rosenberg]

And again, he's. He's a great guy, but there are times where it's like, did you really have to do that one? So two cases this week. The first one is. Is more just kind of like typical stuff we even do on this show. Somebody was asking Josh about Jalen Brunson and, you know, just how great of a score he is. And talking about that he's, you know, he's not really that tall. And yet in a sport of tall people, at six foot one, he's one of the great scorers. So Josh, of course, takes it and runs with it. Yeah. Not physically impressed. I'm quoting him. Not physically impressive. Not athletic. Right in front of Brunson. So Brunson's, like going, hey, I'm right here. And he says, but he can know he can manipulate a defense. Then he goes, oh, you have the kind. All right. Do you have the exchange of this? All right, play the exchange Here. Listen to this, Don. Now, this is only part of the story.

[Alan Hahn]

Josh, I want to ask you this because I think you would answer honestly.

[Rosenberg]

When you factor in his height and.

[Alan Hahn]

Not the most athletic.

[Rosenberg]

Jesus, you've said it. You've said it.

[Alan Hahn]

You didn't have to say it, though.

[Rosenberg]

How many guys in the NBA do.

[Alan Hahn]

You think score the basketball better than he does? Probably not many. You know, he's Barely six foot guard.

[Rosenberg]

This is your fault.

[Alan Hahn]

Not physically impressive, not athletic, but he's able to manipulate defense, obviously, big head. So he has a big brain. He's able to, you know, figure out those angles and find himself in positions to be successful. So, you know, inch for inch, I think is probably the best. Best one.

[Rosenberg]

Hey. Oh, he went inch for inch. Probably the best.

[Alan Hahn]

So that's.

[Rosenberg]

That was a couple of days ago. Then came the end. The Knicks won the game on Wednesday, and they had the celebration. Of course, the NBA brought out the cup and the whole thing, and they want the team to lift the cup. The confetti's coming down. So it's a moment where you're only focused on, like, all right, we're celebrating. We're going to pick up this cup. Brunson lifts the cup up. I think other players also put their hands up with it. They're holding it up in the air. To his left is Josh Hart, who proceeds. And if you're watching, everybody sees it, to take his thumb and do, you know, like, check the oil on Brunson.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

You know what I'm talking.

[Alan Hahn]

Did he need any.

[Rosenberg]

And Brunson, you could see Brunson stops and turns around, like, real quick and stares at him. Like, it's almost like, you know, when you're. You, obviously you have your son. When my son was little, there were times I was like, not here. Like, you just let him know, like, you're acting up and I know you're probably funny, but this is not the place. He turns and he looks and so heart's face as he pulls his thumb away. He's almost embarrassed. After the game, he's like, man, I got caught in 4K. Like, that's just, you know, again, we all have that one friend. Josh Hart's that one friend. And in a couple of cases this week, while the Knicks were on the national stage, he was being that guy. And all I know is that if the Knicks do ever win a championship, the first thing Jalen Brunson is going to make sure is Josh Hart's nowhere near him. Yeah. Because when he's at the podium trying to accept an award, right.

[Alan Hahn]

If the NBA cup that happens, what would the actual championship be? I don't even want to think about it.

[Rosenberg]

You don't want to think about it. But that, like, him in that moment, Don, aren't you, like, going, are you really thinking about doing something like that in that moment? In that moment, you're like, what happens if I take my thumb and just poke Poke Jalen right in the butt. What would happen? Well, why would he think that? Why would that come to mind in that moment?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

I don't understand it.

[Alan Hahn]

The. The NBA cup. You're checking the oil. An NBA championship. What are you, like, facing the transmission?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, God.

[Alan Hahn]

What are you doing? You know, Complete engine overhaul.

[Rosenberg]

But there's a carriage. How's your uncle?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, there's. There's an example of. That guy is not necessarily bad guy.

[Rosenberg]

No, it's not. Again, it's not bad guy. It's just. Just that. That guy. Everybody. We all have that one friend. So when I heard that intro, I'm like, oh, we all do. Jalen does. It's his best friend. And in that moment, you saw his face, like, really here. Right here in front of all these people. Tremendous. I have a friend like that. My buddy Ben.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he would be.

[Rosenberg]

He would literally. He'd be there for me no matter what. He would save my life if I came to him and said, I got a shovel. Come with me. Don't ask any questions. He would be in the car with me, wherever we were. Like, he didn't. Wouldn't ask a question. Let's go. But I also know that in certain moments, like special moments, he definitely would find a way to make it embarrassing for me for his own enjoyment.

[Alan Hahn]

I have. I have friends like that, too. That it just becomes like, what can I do to just really cross the line? And you can't really get mad at me because we're best friends.

[Rosenberg]

You know, I'm like that. Yeah, exactly.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm gonna tell you a quick story. I don't even know if it's on brand, but it's Thursday, and you could dump it if you want. YouTube People have seen and heard worse.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

So I'm working at phone programs, and that was the 976 numbers. They own sports phone, but sportsphone was a sample branch. So before I could get the sports phone, I had to work at phone programs and, you know, the Dial a Joke and the Samantha Fox channel and all that stuff. One of the things I had to do that I got to voice, which was cool, was some of the lotteries at different states, and there was the Pennsylvania Lottery, and I had to voice the lottery for. So I get the numbers, and I put the numbers down. And you.

[Rosenberg]

You were Yolanda Vega.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but it was just thought you'd have to call the. The 976 number to hear me. And I didn't introduce myself or just these Are the numbers okay? So the way phone programs was right behind PJ Clark's third and 55th, I think so. So that's where it was located. Building still there, but it's phone programs. It was like on the 15th floor. And we kind of had the place to ourselves, like after hours. And sometimes we'd invite some friends up and all that. And so my buddy's there with a girl he was friends with that was a smoke show. Okay. And she was flirty, and I was single. Who knows, right?

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

I had no game. But she didn't know that at the time. So my back is to the two of them, and I'm doing the Pennsylvania Lottery, given the numbers, and all of a sudden someone goes there. Big handful, then let's go. And I'm praying. I still don't know to this day who it was. Well, I do know. But still holding out hope that maybe it wasn't my friend Tim gave you a handshake, but for that brief moment, it could be her.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. You never know. Only one way to find out.

[Alan Hahn]

Knowing Tim. And Tim wouldn't have done that if it was just him. He did it because he wanted my mind to be split in that second. Like, oh, maybe.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah. He had an audience.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe Don's getting lucky during the Pennsylvania Lottery. So I know exactly what you're talking about, because he would go there. He would go there just for the story. You know what I mean, sport?

[Rosenberg]

Just for the exact. For the story. Exactly.

[Alan Hahn]

So to be on national television and, you know, checking Brunson's oil, that's, you know, that. That's.

[Rosenberg]

It was such a. Like, it was. I think it's one of those if, you know, you know, moments, because those of us who have been around these two for the last couple of years in the locker room, the stuff that they say to you, like, you know, like the minute he did it, I'm like, what the hell did he just do? And I had to rewind. Like, did he? Yeah, he did. And we all laughed about it, but the Internet didn't laugh about. The Internet was like, you know, like they were unsure. But no, that's just Josh being Josh. And it was hysterical. But he's also being that guy. We all have that one friend.

[Alan Hahn]

Mine is going to be puking a 2. Of course, the wide receiver for the Rams. And listen, he. I'm not going to get into the one thing he apologized for, but I'm going to get into something a little bit more mundane. But still frustrating him still being that Guy, he was on the Aiden Ross podcast talking about the officials being against the Rams and how they're just looking for attention sometimes. Oh, 100. I'm like, yes. The rest are the worst because there's just some of the rules aren't. And, like, these guys want to be. These guys are lawyers, and, like, they want to be on tv, too, bro.

[Rosenberg]

Like, I think he's.

[Alan Hahn]

He's texting his friends in the group chat, like, yo, you guys just saw me Sunday Night Football. Like, that was.

[Rosenberg]

No way.

[Alan Hahn]

Like, that wasn't PI. Like, but I called it.

[Rosenberg]

Seriously.

[Will]

They do that.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, these guys are normal human beings, too, bro. Like, cheaters, bro. I don't care.

[Rosenberg]

He's making that up.

[Alan Hahn]

I hope so. But it's still. Why would you go there? You think you're gonna get calls now when you're calling the officials, that they're throwing flags so they could be shown on television Sunday Night Football? Listen, I. Like, he said they're humans. So is there a little bit of attention, I guess. Right. That goes into that. But it's a Siri. It's a serious allegation. And really, the Rams are in first place in the conference. You really want to. To upset the officials kind of being that guy. Right. And why would they be against the Rams, for God's sake?

[Rosenberg]

It's bizarre. Well, he was on quite a tour this week, huh, with some of the stuff he was saying on these things. But what. What. What I think we keep learning, of course, is that you can be extremely physically talented and still be a dumbass.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I'm sure the Rams talked to him about that. Right?

[Rosenberg]

Like, you know, everybody wants to hear from celebrities and wants to hear, like, what do you think of politics and what do you think of raising children? And what do you think of this? And what do you think of and all. And it's like, you know what? No, you don't really need to know. Just because you're famous or just because you're athletic, it doesn't mean that you have this command over what's. What's great in the world or what's right in the world or have any idea what the hell you're talking about. Like, that's him. You know what he's doing there. He's just BSing. He's just. That's all. He's just shooting it. You know what I mean? That's all he's doing. And we all do it sometimes, and you just kind of like. But he's also doing it as a Famous person and it's being recorded and it being put out in the world wasn't very smart.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I don't think that was the. That was the way you wanted to handle it. Now, I do believe that he also.

[Rosenberg]

By the way, said concussions are all in your head. You just can't think about it. I don't know if he was trying to have his, you know, pun intended or what.

[Alan Hahn]

Probably not very strange. There are times, though, I do think that they try to get attention, you know, whether it's a home plate umpire with a grandiose strike call.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, you're right. I agree.

[Alan Hahn]

Wes McCauley in the NHL, you know, he just longs to just announce. Mike's always on, right. And he's. He's always so proud to give those penalties. There was one official. I was just trying to look, I can't remember who it was. It was a Devil game where he was the. There was the Devil game, the Columbus game, where there were like four fights.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So, you know, he would go to the. Say he would announce the penalties and for people on YouTube and I'll try to describe it for the people listening, order wise, he would say, you know, five minutes for fighting and he would. He would really big time start, like, put the. Put the dukes up. Then he would say, five for fighting and start.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, he would.

[Alan Hahn]

He would start, you know, you know, jab, cross, jab, cross, jab, cross, like three or four times, like. And I picked up on it and I said something to Kenny and he didn't notice it. And then there was another fight and I said, what? He's like, oh, let's see. Because he knows the cameras on him and it wasn't anything wrong. But that's my. That might be where they get their. Their 15 minutes where I. Who was the official with Marty Lyons with the Jets. He was giving him the business. Like, I think on those moments when they've got the whole nation watching, they're on the mic that they might give it a little extra, but they're throwing a flag to do that when they're evaluated constantly and could miss out on playoff games if they lose jobs.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, you lose jobs because of it. So, yeah, I.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's not.

[Rosenberg]

Bill Kennedy in the NBA is similar to Wes. Wes McCauley, Bill Kennedy, when he gets the chance to do the review. Because now, you know, you get on the. They hear you in the arena, but you're also on tv. You look into the camera and you tell the audience in the building and on Television and radio. What the result is of the review of the coach's challenge. And Bill Kennedy, he has one of these radio voices. Like, he's really good, not only with the sound of his voice, but the inflection and how he uses it. He could do voiceover work. He's really good. And he likes to put a little flare, right? So he, with the reviews, he'll, he'll say, you know, that this is what happened. And he'll have like, dramatic pause. And then at the end he'll say, challenge successful. Like, and he'll make faces with that little. It's so funny. But he does kind of do, he does make it about him in that moment, but it's not affecting the game and he's not the one making the call. It's what they're telling him in his ear, right?

[Alan Hahn]

But he's, he's being a little performative.

[Rosenberg]

But he's definitely being performative and he definitely is kind of like, you know, feeling himself in that moment. So it does happen. They are human. But PUK is being, being that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

And that guy. Thursday is driven by Ramsey Mazda. It's a good one experience of driving to Mazda and buying a new Mazda from Ramsey Mazda. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow. Nothing else matters off the Metallica Blackout.

[Rosenberg]

The Black Album.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a monster album.

[Rosenberg]

That's a no skip album, my friend.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's very, very good. They got a lot of heat for this because it's a ballad. It's not even a power ballad. It's just a ballad. But it's kind of what Metallica is about.

[Rosenberg]

This is a great. Obviously it's off the album, but the S M version.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, with the orchestra. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Fantastic of this song. Unreal.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it is really, really good. Unreal. Before we get back to your phone calls, 1-800-919-3776 I saw a tweet and I could probably dig it up to give credit for who asked about it, but somebody had asked us earlier on why there has never been a 30 for 30 about that Islander team that won 19 consecutive series. And listen, I know it's the Islanders and they don't have a huge fan base, but, you know, 30 for 30 doesn't have to like tap into only Islander fans watching something that's never happened before. You know, 19 straight series and the hall of Fame players and the great stories and all that. And you had mentioned that there was the, the Spano one. So there has been the big show. But that's more.

[Rosenberg]

Kevin Connolly did that. It was his passion. He, he based it off the book that Peter Boddy and I did called Fish Sticks, and he took, you know, a big chunk of that book and turned it into an incredible 30 for 30. That is unreal. Entertaining as all hell.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah. Well done.

[Rosenberg]

No, I know, I know I dropped a little bit. But I, I will say this, though, Don, because I did also do a book called Birth of a Dynasty, which is about the Islanders dynasty. And I tried to make that into I tried to sell that as a 30 for 30 option as well as the last real dynasty in sports for straight. And I don't think it'll ever be done again because it's just too hard to do, especially in the cap world. And there's and that's the, what you said is the reason why I got like that it's probably not going to happen because it's not a big enough fan base and they already had one about them.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And I say this is a sports story, though.

[Alan Hahn]

But think about what you just said about the, you know, listen, Kevin Connolly is a big name, so that probably was Attractive to sell that. But again, it was an interesting story, but it doesn't paint the Islanders in a very good light. And yes, there are not a ton of Islander fans across the country, but I will tell you, those names pop in the hockey world. They pop and it matters. And it's something that always get. Those teams get talked about. The current Islanders or the state of the Islanders or the Islanders as a whole may not get talked about a lot around the league, but you start talking to historians, you start talking to people that love hockey. Bossi, Popvin, Smith, they know these players, and that was a big deal. And just to see 19 straight series, like, I just love documentaries, any subject. So it's not even really the subject of the Islanders, per se, just for a team to be able to go that many. So four straight cups, 19 straight series wins, five straight finals. Definitely something to talk about. Now, on that note. Yes, I went out to dinner with a couple of buddies of mine last night.

[Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Alan Hahn]

And there wasn't really anything going on. So the Devil game wasn't until 10, but we were at the bar and we were having some. Some dinner. And who do I see there? Yeah, there it was right around the time they were asking me, so what's it like to work with Alan Hahn? Is Alan Hahn a nice guy? And as I was telling everybody that how great you were big. The big TV in the restaurant at the Stage House. It's you. And it was from msg had done. I don't know what the name of the show or whatever it was, but specifically talking about the Santa Claus night at the Coliseum.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And everybody dressed as Santa Claus on the ice. And then Ranger fans got on the ice and they got pummeled. And like, you were prominent in that. And the other thing is, I don't know whether you got pulled from something else or you weren't prepared, but you had like a. Like a beard going. But it wasn't a full beard. It's like you just. You didn't shave, but you had like stubble on your face. And I had never seen you like that before. You don't remember that?

[Rosenberg]

No. Well, I mean, I remember doing that. I don't know what that was. That a short. Whatever that was. I remember doing that.

[Alan Hahn]

I. I just. I looked up and they had MSG on because they were showing me the New York Sirens was on msg.

[Rosenberg]

I covered that game. I. So I was. That's one of the reasons why they probably pulled me in on. I was doing Nicks at the time. That we did that. We recorded that. It wasn't too long ago, but I don't remember having. Having a beard. Normally, I wouldn't do that for tv.

[Alan Hahn]

It is. It is something to see someone you know on tv and it's like Jumbotron, like, full screen. Your face.

[Rosenberg]

It was.

[Alan Hahn]

It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool to see.

[Rosenberg]

But you didn't take a picture and send it to me like everybody else does.

[Alan Hahn]

I did.

[Rosenberg]

My cousin. My cousin, God bless her, every time she sees me on tv, she takes a picture of it and sending to me.

[Alan Hahn]

That's cool.

[Rosenberg]

Well, my God, look at that. I know, it's just funny, like. But you didn't do that.

[Alan Hahn]

I still. I still get a kick out of there. There's a spot that runs on MSG about the Gotham sports app, and they do real quick. You see a flash of me and Kenny, and I thought that was kind of cool. That, like, yeah, I'm on there. I'm on.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

On the commercial, you know, like, I still don't get over little things like that. You know, like, stuff like that doesn't get. Never do.

[Rosenberg]

Never. Because it's such a cool thing.

[Alan Hahn]

It's always, man. Listen, anytime I just hear you boys.

[Rosenberg]

On MSG or like, they should have commercial, I'm like, look at my. Look at my two boys. Yeah, I know that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Rosenberg]

It's the way it's supposed to.

[Alan Hahn]

It's cool. Point at the screen.

[Rosenberg]

Like Leo DiCaprio and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

No reference, but I'm missing it. No, I'm trying to do it. I'm trying to do it. When he liked the movie, when he sits back and then he points to the screen. Yeah, I know when you talk that.

[Alan Hahn]

About that, that that's a great scene or a gif or whatever. He's like, yeah, because.

[Rosenberg]

Fired up. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And so there you are. That's a guy. That was the. The characters on the COVID of Mad magazine. He had been in movies and I mean, still got a kick out of him doing a guest spot. And what was the TV show again? Forget what the TV show was.

[Rosenberg]

I don't remember it. But the whole movie was so bizarre. But it's so entertaining.

[Alan Hahn]

I love. They. They came out. Somebody I think was IMDb tweeted out, like, the top 10 Tarantino movies. Mm. And they had Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, like, seven. I'm like, that's got to be higher, man.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I agree.

[Alan Hahn]

That's got to be higher. She was One. Of course they had.

[Rosenberg]

No, that's not in the top five.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, come on.

[Alan Hahn]

Just trying to, off the top of my head, I think was Pulp Fiction was one.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Was it Inglourious Basterds 2?

[Rosenberg]

All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just. Maybe. I could probably try to find it. But he's got some really, really good movies. He's, he's making a lot of. I don't know whether he's just get. He's. He's become that guy where now all he's doing is like criticizing other actors and stuff and getting, you know, he's ripping people just got.

[Rosenberg]

Got old and angry, I guess.

[Alan Hahn]

He's gay. He's got old and angry. And I think what are you doing that for, man? It's not nice.

[Rosenberg]

Old and angry.

[Alan Hahn]

Angry.

[Rosenberg]

But just don't, don't be a little bit.

[Alan Hahn]

I guess it's working for him. 1-800-919-3776. We got a big five o' clock hour.

[Rosenberg]

Reservoir. Reservoir Dogs.

[Alan Hahn]

How do we forget Reservoir Dogs was four, I think.

[Rosenberg]

Four.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that was his first movie.

[Rosenberg]

That was good though and still holds up today. I took my IMDb's list. Yes. Number two was Inglourious Bastards. Three was Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Three wise, I saw something different. I think that that deserves to be hot. Yes. Seven was a Jackie Brown. Jackie Brown.

[Rosenberg]

I like Jackie Brown. That was a good movie.

[Alan Hahn]

The problem with Jackie Brum is not a problem, but I think it was his first movie after Pulp Fiction. So it wasn't gonna live up to the. Because Pulp Fiction was just a monster.

[Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

But that's a very, very good movie too. But reset the 5 o' clock hour. Damian Woody's gonna join us. Coming up at 5:30. And at 6, Donna Rosenberg on ESPN in New York. But I got to let you know there are many reasons why people buy at ram. Sure, it's their selection, it's their customer service, and it's their savings during the more to move you event. Lisa New 2025 Mazda CX5 2.5s all wheel drive for 229 for 36 months. Start shopping now at Ramsey Mazda dot com. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Call 833-853-2970 for details. Vin S. 077-5503 MSRP $30,920 0 security deposit ends 1226.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good.

[Don Hahn]

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