Hour 2: Damien Woody, That Guy & Rachel Herzog

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Damien Woody, That Guy & Rachel Herzog

Date: January 22, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Guests: Damien Woody, Rachel Herzog, Anthony Pusich

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into recent NFL coaching drama, controversial playoff officiating, and the culture-building approach of John Harbaugh with the Giants. Sideline reporter Rachel Herzog joins to preview Don La Greca’s first ever sushi experience, while the crew breaks tradition with classic “That Guy Thursday.” The chemistry among co-hosts is lively as they mix hard sports analysis with trademark jabs and banter.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Buffalo Bills’ Coaching Search & Franchise Culture

(00:52–04:45)

• Brian Daboll Interview: The Bills completed an interview with former Giants head coach Brian Daboll, a rare move for a team to rehire a recently fired head coach from another franchise.
  • Don La Greca: "It would be the first Giant coach fired that was hired by another organization, Dan Reeves nearly 30 years ago." (01:21)
• Damien Woody’s Perspective on McDermott’s Firing:
  • McDermott is credited for transforming Buffalo’s culture but seems to have “hit his ceiling.”
  • Damien compares McDermott to Andy Reid in Philly and Tony Dungy in Tampa—coaches who built up teams but didn’t reach the ultimate goal.
  • "Sometimes the message can get stale. You hit your ceiling." (02:40)
• Who Should Replace McDermott?
  • Woody leans toward Mike McCarthy as a better fit than Daboll due to his Super Bowl credentials and quarterback development history.
  • "Going from McDermott to Daboll, how do you sell that to the fanbase?" (04:03)
  • McCarthy’s experience makes him an “easier sell in Buffalo.”

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2. Officiating Controversy: Was It a Catch or an Interception?

(06:59–08:53)

• The crew reacts to a hotly debated playoff call—a would-be receiver catch ruled an interception.
  • Damien Woody: Agrees with the officials by the letter of the law, but believes the play "was too big not to have some type of replay at that very moment. The fact that Sean McDermott had to blow a timeout…is egregious." (08:23)
• All agree poor officiating and the need for more reliable replay is a growing issue.
  • "The NFL has an issue with refereeing right now." (08:53 – Woody)

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3. Playoff Previews: Seahawks vs. Rams & Broncos’ Chances

(09:04–11:19)

• Rams vs. Seahawks: Woody expects a tight, defensively driven rematch where execution, not surprise, will decide the winner.
  • "You're playing a team for the third time within your division. You're not fooling each other…It's who's going to out execute the other team." (09:45)
• Denver’s Shot: Despite their QB situation, Woody gives the Broncos a chance because of their defense and home field.
  • "If you just play turnover-free, you will have an opportunity to win." (11:19)

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4. Coach-Driven Turnarounds & Most Exciting Super Bowl Matchup

(11:19–13:45)

• Discussion of Harbaugh’s effect on win totals and whether a coach like Sean Payton is “the most important player left in these playoffs.”
  • Woody: "Sean Payton's not on the field…But he's going to have to earn his money now."
• Woody’s ideal Super Bowl: New England vs. Seattle—calls them the two best remaining teams.

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5. NFL Parity & Perennial Contenders

(13:09–13:45)

• The hosts remark how the AFC title picture has been dominated by the Chiefs and Patriots “for the last, what, 15 years?”
  • Damien Woody: "We talk about parity all the time and here we are and the same two teams have basically dominated the AFC."

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6. John Harbaugh’s Team-Building Philosophy

(14:03–17:02)

• Harbaugh’s viral press conference: Emphasized bringing in players who “love football”—all-consuming effort and culture.
  • Harbaugh: "If you don't love football, you're not going to love it here, because we'll be doing football…all the time, every day." (14:35)
• Damien Woody’s Take:
  • Draws distinction between guys who “love the game” vs. those who “love what the game does for them.”
  • "Guys who love what the game has done for them, get them the hell out of the building." (15:01)
  • He’s played with plenty who didn't truly love football—says it's crucial to "weed out those guys."

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7. Show Banter: Group Chat Camaraderie & Giants Fandom

(19:12–22:56)

• Lively debate about internal text groups, loyalty, and how press conference "football isms" influence fan perception.
  • Anthony Pusich notes excitement about “bloodbath” staff changes, that real organizational overhaul is happening with the Giants.
  • Peter Rosenberg: “Anthony is happy about the bloodbath, and he should be.” (22:41)

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8. That Guy Thursday: The “I Win, Google Me” Coach and Mark Cuban

(25:22–36:06)

• Kurt Signetti (Indiana Football Coach) recognized for his bold claim “I win, Google me”—now validated as Google auto-suggests “Yep, he won.”
  • Alan Hahn: “He was being that guy when he said 'I win, Google me.' And he won. Now Google said, 'yep, he won.'” (27:29)
• Mark Cuban’s Hot Take:
  • Cuban calls Indiana’s football championship the “most unlikely in American sports,” even above the Miracle on Ice.
  • Don LaGreca (mock outrage): “Nothing will ever touch ... There will never be an upset that will ever compare.” (32:44)
  • The crew debates, citing “Leicester City,” the “Miracle Mets,” and even the Revolutionary War as upsets.

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9. Rachel Herzog Joins: Don’s Sushi Adventure

(40:19–50:26)

• Rachel Herzog (MSG Networks) joins to prepare Don for his first sushi experience in Vancouver—he’s very nervous.
  • Rachel: “I’ve been eating sushi since I was, I think, seven years old ... We make it at home and everything.” (42:59)
  • Recommends starting with California roll, maybe shrimp tempura; “You’re gonna have to try the raw fish at some point tonight.” (44:28)
  • Don: “This is not performative at all. I am legit nervous about this.” (45:18)
• Lively planning for documenting Don’s reaction and jokes about his wife’s influence on dinner choices.

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Highlights & Notable Quotes

• On McDermott’s Firing:
  Damien Woody (02:40): "Sometimes, you know, you hit your ceiling. I kind of liken the situation to Andy Reid in Philadelphia and Tony Dungy in Tampa."
• Officiating Critique:
  Damien Woody (08:23): "It was malpractice by the refs... that is egregious."
• Harbaugh’s Team & Player Philosophy:
  John Harbaugh (14:35): "If you don't love football, you're not going to love it here. Because we'll be doing football. That's the plan."
• Giants’ House Cleaning:
  Anthony Pusich (21:50): “Red Wedding. Game of Thrones.”
• On Greatest Upset Debate:
  Don LaGreca (32:44): “Nothing will ever touch [Miracle on Ice]. ... Don’t even have the conversation.”
• On That Guy Thursday’s Subject:
  Alan Hahn (27:29): “Now Google said, yep, he won. He won.”
• Rachel Herzog on Sushi:
  Rachel Herzog (42:59): “We make it at home ... If we got good grades, we’d have a big sushi night.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:52 – Daboll interviews for Bills job; historical context
• 02:40 – Woody breaks down McDermott’s firing
• 04:03 – Woody compares McCarthy and Daboll for Bills
• 06:59 – Catch vs. interception playoff controversy
• 08:23 – Referee “malpractice” and NFL replay woes
• 09:45 – Rams-Seahawks playoff preview
• 11:19 – Broncos playoff chances
• 14:18 – John Harbaugh’s “love football” speech & Woody’s reaction
• 21:50 – Giants’ Red Wedding analogy
• 27:29 – “That Guy Thursday”: Signetti's "I win, Google me" now reality
• 31:09–36:06 – Mark Cuban vs. Miracle on Ice greatest upset debate
• 40:19–50:26 – Rachel Herzog’s sushi intervention for Don; detailed planning

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Tone & Banter

The show maintains its trademark blend of New York sports wit, sarcasm, inside jokes, and honest analysis. Listeners feel the camaraderie and the real friendship behind the mics, especially with recurring bits like “That Guy Thursday,” internal jabs over text chats, and food adventures.

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For New Listeners

This episode is balanced: deep-dive football analysis (especially on coaching drama and officiating), debates that span the history of sports upset lore, and a friendly window into the hosts’ off-air friendships. Rachel Herzog’s segment offers a fun pivot from sports to lifestyle. This hour is a spirited slice of sports radio, rich with insight and memorable moments—no need to have listened before to enjoy the ride.

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don LaGreca]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. 403 in the big city with Don Lagreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. 800-919-3776 is the number. So we were just looking up. Is NFL Network doing this right. They're showing a little Brady versus it's got Brady Manning AFC championship game from Broncos Patriots. So sort of the throwback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of course they're warming us up this weekend. Although I got news for you.

[Alan Hahn]

What do you got?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tom Brady and Peyton Manning aren't walking through those locker room doors. You know what I mean?

[Alan Hahn]

You don't think so?

[Damian Woody]

No, no.

[Don LaGreca]

Quite the opposite.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Not Bo Nix isn't even walking through the locker room doors.

[Alan Hahn]

He cannot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good lord.

[Alan Hahn]

But it's going to be this an interesting weekend. First and foremost on NFL News, Brian Dabel just completed a interview for the head coaching position with the Buffalo Bills. That's an interesting situation right there. Isn't it like that whole thing, how that plays out? Do they really go to him, bring him back and make him the head coach? So something to watch. But the Bills did just announce that that they have completed their head coach interview with Brian David.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't think about it. Gary Myers did and tweeted it out earlier. If the Bills hire Dable to be their head coach, it would be the first Giant coach fired that was hired by another organization. Dan Reeves nearly 30 years ago. That's the last time a Giant coach was fired and rehired by another team. Was Dan Reeves by the Falcons.

[Alan Hahn]

It's amazing, but it's true because TC ended up. He worked for another organization but he wasn't a head coach.

[Don LaGreca]

Wasn't a head coach. Fossil never got another chance to be a head coach. And obviously we know the litany of guys that were fired previously.

[Alan Hahn]

Where did Reeves go after the Giants?

[Don LaGreca]

Atlanta.

[Alan Hahn]

So he was super bowl, you remember? So we were talking with Booger and Booger said nobody ever gets a third third time around. Right. He was talking about McCarthy.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, yeah. I mean.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, well, we talked with Booger yesterday. Let's talk with our good friend Damian Woody who's with us right now. And why don't we just dive right into what's happening up in Buffalo. D. Wood was firing Sean McDermott justified and all the things have now come out after all that stuff. What is happening up in Buffalo in your estimation?

[Damian Woody]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I look at the Sean McDermott thing. And I think Sean McDermott is an excellent coach. Obviously, he changed the culture up there in Buffalo. He's done a lot of really good things, not only on the field, but off the field in the community of Buffalo. But sometimes, you know, you hit your ceiling. And I kind of liken the situation to, you know, in a couple situations. Andy Reid in Philadelphia where he knocked on the door but he could never break through, and Tony Dungy in Tampa, where, you know, those teams in Tampa were good, but they never broke through. And then obviously Jon Gruden comes along and obviously wins the Super Bowl. So I just feel like, you know, there was, it was time for a change. Sometimes the message can get stale. You hit your ceiling. But I think that, I think what's really important now is this hire. Because going from Sean McDermott, like, you're going to have to have a hell of a hire. I don't know who that person's going to be, but there's some stuff going on in Buffalo that draw that gives me pause right now.

[Don LaGreca]

You know, we asked Booger McFarlane yesterday about Mike McCarthy, like, what is it about McCarthy? Almost an identical resume to Harbaugh. Couldn't seem to get a sniff there. I mean, wouldn't he be a good fit in Buffalo? He's worked with big time quarterbacks before, won a Super Bowl. Or do you think Dable would be a better choice?

[Damian Woody]

Oh, man. Like, listen, I think, I think McCarthy would probably to be, you know, the better choice because again, you go from Sean McDermott and I. Brian Dable is a friend of mine. But going from Sean McDermott to Brian Day Ball, how do you sell that to the fan base? Can you really sell that to the fan base? I can say what Mike McCarthy, he's one super Bowl. You can say a lot of different things about Mike McCarthy. He's, he's developed quarterbacks, he's won a Super Bowl. He was pretty successful in Dallas, so. And in Green Bay. So I think that would have a. That would be an easier sell in Buffalo than Brian Dabel, in my opinion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, we're obviously reaching the end of the conversation now. It's Thursday, but we haven't, we haven't spoken to you yet. Damien did.

[Damian Woody]

The answer is no. The answer is no. I have, I have. Not yet. No. That wasn't what I was going to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ask, but thank you for hurting our feelings. I was going to ask you catch your interception, but now you just threw it in our face. You still, you still.

[Alan Hahn]

I know you know, it's on his mind. So he knows.

[Damian Woody]

I've been sweating this for a while, man. Like, I've been sweating.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Damian Woody]

I'm like, you know what? Let me just. Let me just get ahead of it now.

[John Harbaugh]

Yeah.

[Damian Woody]

And so that's. That's just what I did. I just got ahead of it.

[Alan Hahn]

I respect that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I respect it. I respect it. I think Don. Don's finished with you. He might have checked out, but it's okay.

[Don LaGreca]

Rephrase the question. Do you respect. And the answer would have been the same. No, I don't.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

And the fact is that you are a liar, too, because you're not sweating this one bit. Because if you. If you had any sweat over it, you would have watched it. You have no intention of watching it. You have no intention. And I'm gonna keep asking. I'm gonna keep asking, knowing what the answer is going to be. Bad guy.

[Alan Hahn]

This is sad.

[Damian Woody]

You know, I'm so. I'm so hurt that I disappointed Don, but some of this stuff you got to take up with my wife, man. Like, no, it's. It's. It's like. It's like that, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like, listen. Don't know.

[Damian Woody]

There's no hold me hostage.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, there's no Don. I say this respectfully. There's no one more whipped than Don, okay? The man can't make any free choices in his life. But if you asked him to watch a movie, he's watching the movie.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Don LaGreca]

That's the bottom line. Or maybe very early on, you could have just been honest and say, listen, there's no shot. I'm watching this movie, guys. I've got no time. I've got no life. I've got football to watch. My wife dominates the tv. You could have been honest up front. You're like, okay, I'll watch it, knowing damn well you were never going to watch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is so tough, man. Well, Damon, we're going to keep this thing going because I want to see. I think one of these weeks, he's going to surprise us. He's going to jump on the air and just start quoting Napoleon Dynamite.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But until then, let me ask you.

[Don LaGreca]

Was it vote for Pedro T shirt next time?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was it a catch or an interception in your eyes?

[Damian Woody]

I actually agree with the call, to be honest with you. And I know in the. We don't know. We don't know what a catch is, but according to the letter of the law, that was an interception because he didn't finish the process of the catch. Like, Literally, he. It was bang, bang when he hit the ground and the defender from, from the Denver Broncos had the ball. And so like, to me, it's just, we can cry and moan and do all this stuff. But he didn't finish the catch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's how Don. Now you've won Don back over and you've lost me. I'm a catch guy. I just. You know what, you know what it was for me.

[Alan Hahn]

Everybody has a different opinion on it, which is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know it is. It is so split.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Booker said it wasn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Booger's with Booger's team catch.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

For me, the problem, Damian, was, was I can't sit here and tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt it was a catch, obviously, because it ended in the defender's hands. What I can tell you is, and this is where me and Don really disagree, your eyeballs as referees are not good enough to have been 1000% sure of that. That they forced the coach to call a timeout that should have been looked at for a couple of minutes instead of them just walking right back out to the line. That was my biggest issue, the whole thing.

[Damian Woody]

I totally agree with that. And I thought it was malpractice by the refs in the NFL that that play was too big not to have some type of replay at that very moment. And the fact that Sean McDermott had to blow a timeout, just so they look at it, that is egregious. Agreed. And I think for a bigger, a bigger point, I think the NFL, NFL has an issue with, with refereeing right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They do.

[Damian Woody]

I think that's something that they, they really need to address because I think it's going to be a sticking point, sticking point with fans.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, let's get into the games this weekend, if we could.

[Anthony Pusich]

I'll move on.

[Alan Hahn]

D. Wood. Yeah. I want to ask you about a rematch. Anytime division opponents face each other in the playoffs, but especially at a, you know, this, the penultimate game, Rams, Seahawks, and we remember how wild of a finish that was back in December when they were last in Seattle together on a Thursday night. Like, do you expect this to be another one of those, you know, high scoring, high flying games? Do you, do you think Sam Darnold can orchestrate another type of game like this against the Rams defense?

[Damian Woody]

I think he can. I will say this, the Seahawks aren't asking Sam Donald to do a lot because they've been running the ball really well. And so, you know, if you can minimize the chances of turnovers by playing Complimentary football, running the football, playing great defense and your quarterback just got to go out there and manage and not turn it over. You know, they're a hard team to beat. Now with that being said, you're playing a team for the third time within your division. You're not, you're not fooling. Either side is not fooling. They're not fooling each other. You've seen it all. They know the personnel, pretty much the plays that they're going to run. It's just going to be who's going to out execute the other team. And I think playing up in Seattle with that crowd noise and that defense, that's going to be a tough, tough place for the Rams to get a victory.

[Don LaGreca]

You give Denver a shot.

[Damian Woody]

Of course I give him a shot. I give them a shot because they're playing at home and they have that defense. They have a fantastic defense that can get after the quarterback. They got guys that can take away the football. And so when you have that playing for you, you're going to have a shot. Now obviously the quarterback situation is definitely not ideal for Denver, but again, if you just play turnover free, you will have an opportunity to win that, to win that football game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This, to me, this playoff is sort of opened up the question, I guess we've been talking about a lot with the hiring of Harbaugh as well, because I don't know if you saw men, but the, the win total for the Giants went up to eight and a half when they got Harbaugh. And this is a team that, you know, cannot win more than four games in a season it seems. So. We were thinking so much about quarterbacks and Josh Allen and then it got me to thinking, is Sean Payton the most important player left in this playoffs? And is he, is he the man so much so that he could will this team to victory against New England?

[Damian Woody]

Well, I mean, listen, at the end of the day, Sean, Sean Payton's not on the field. The players ultimately got go out there and execute. But I will say like he's going to have to earn his money now because you know, you're an offensive minded guy and you've done a lot of really good things, but now you're going up against this Patriots team as well. Listen, when we talk about the Patriots, not all people talk about the fact that the Patriots have one of the best defense in the league. Yes, the Denver Broncos have a great defense, but the Patriots defense isn't a slouch either. So how are you, Sean Payton, going to manage your Your backup quarterback, Jared sent him. How are you going to get him to play good for. No, get playing good football knowing that he's going to be. He's playing opposite a potential league MVP in Drake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's exactly right. That's what makes us a very, very tough spot. What do you think's the most exciting potential game left for Super Bowl?

[Damian Woody]

You asked me if what kind of super bowl matchup? Yeah, I want, I want to see New England Seattle like, I want to see New England Seattle like, I think. I think those are the two best teams remaining right now.

[Alan Hahn]

Does it make like, does it blow your mind as we talk so much about parody in the NFL that the Chiefs of the Patriots have been in a championship game for the last, what, 15 years? That's crazy.

[Damian Woody]

It is crazy because like you talked about, we talk about parity all the time and here we are and the same two teams have basically dominated the afc. So I love that we're getting fresh new blood. But it looks like the Patriots are back at it again. Once, once again.

[Alan Hahn]

It's like the NCAA tournament. It's different players, but the blue bloods are always going to be there. You always expect to see them somewhere in the tournament. All right, so we mentioned John Harbaugh, D. Wood, and he had a press conference and Peter felt like the press conference was grade worthy, B plus.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought it was very good, which.

[Alan Hahn]

He says is very good. But I want to ask you, D. Wood, if you heard him say this, I'm going to play it for you. You got to tell me whether you're. You're one of the guys that would stay or one of the guys that would go.

[John Harbaugh]

We need guys that love everything about football. They love the games, they love the practices, they love the weightlifting, they love the meetings, they love the dining hall. You know, they love every part of football, man. And if you love football, guys, if you love football, you're going to want to be here, you're going to want to drive in that parking lot every single day. You're going to want to walk in.

[Don LaGreca]

That through those doors, you're going to.

[John Harbaugh]

To walk up in those halls, you're going to want to get in front of that tape and watch tape every single day because you're going to be around a bunch of guys that love what you love. They love football because that's what we're going to be doing. Football, football, all the time, every day. And if there's guys, you know around that don't love football, Joe, we're probably Going to let those guys go play somewhere else. Because if you don't love football, you're not going to love it here. Because we'll be doing football. That's the plan.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. Football.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They love football.

[Don LaGreca]

He loves football.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you love football?

[Damian Woody]

Well, listen, some guys don't love football. They love what the game of football can do for them. And so, like, I like, I love it. I love what John Harbaugh says. Like, we need a bunch of dudes up in here. We need a bunch of guys that love the game, that sleep the game, eat the game, all of that stuff. Because once you get a bunch of guys like that, that's how you build a winning culture. So, yeah, like, I'm with that. Guys who love what the game has done for them, get them the hell out of the building. And make sure you. You're filling up the building with guys who just loves the game.

[Alan Hahn]

So you had to. And I won't ask you to name names unless you want to play with guys that didn't love football. And I would think anybody in a sport like that that's around that doesn't love the game like, that much as you just heard what Harbaugh said about. You love coming to the practice. You got to love watching film. You got to love just sitting in the cafeteria. You got to love it all. That's dangerous. Did you have guys where you looked and you're like, he does not love this. You can tell. And how did you feel about it?

[Damian Woody]

Oh, absolutely. I mean, I think everyone who's played has been around guys who love what the game has done for them. Not necessarily loving the game of football. And, you know, that's just the nature. Nature of the beast. You're going to have guys like that. The whole point of it is, like, you want to make sure that you, you know, get enough guys who love the game of football that you ultimately weed out those guys and they. And they move on elsewhere, man. But, yeah, man, there's guys that get caught up in, you know, the money, the attention, and all the wrong thing. All the wrong things that. That at the end of the day, doesn't even matter. Like, when you win, everything else will come with it. And I think there are some guys out here that. That prioritize the wrong thing. Instead of winning, they would always get.

[Alan Hahn]

To talk to you. Enjoy the games this weekend, and we'll talk to you next week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We hope you prioritize, you know, film, at least.

[Alan Hahn]

Uncle Rico.

[Don LaGreca]

Our friendship.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, and our friendship.

[Alan Hahn]

I do.

[Damian Woody]

I do. Prioritize the friendship. And I'm just. I'm not going to say anything else about Napoleon Dynamite. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna surprise you guys. So I'm gonna just leave it at that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right? All right. All right. Well, it would be a surprise.

[Alan Hahn]

Appreciate you, man.

[Don LaGreca]

Tune in next week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He won Don back, though, with the interception.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It didn't take.

[Alan Hahn]

He sided with Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. That's all.

[John Harbaugh]

Once.

[Alan Hahn]

Once he did that, we're all easily fought.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm rooting.

[Don LaGreca]

I take him as they come, you.

[Alan Hahn]

Know, that's all it's about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don's rooting for Don.

[Alan Hahn]

It's about that.

[John Harbaugh]

And that's what we're gonna be doing, football all the time, every day, so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So real quick. I'm glad you played that. We have about a minute here before we break.

[Alan Hahn]

Every day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just every day, every stinking day. I do want to say this.

[Alan Hahn]

It's coming out of your ears.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, like, in hearing that again, though, I really do think it's funny. It's a funny clip, and I'm sure it comes from a sincere place.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I really don't think that, like, I sound crazy if I think that even just clips like that where he's kind of just going on with these somewhat silly football isms.

[Alan Hahn]

Do you hear him at the end?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Kind of brings you down to a B for me.

[Alan Hahn]

When you hear him at the end.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

At the very end of the clip. He chuckles. Yeah. He knows what he was doing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he knows he's being a goof.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I can't fast forward it because I don't want to play the whole 36 seconds. But at the very end, as he's done, he's like. He knows. He just said football 10 times.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So, Anthony, you loved it. You said you.

[Anthony Pusich]

I couldn't disagree with you more, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why?

[Anthony Pusich]

The last 24 hours have shown you. I don't think even we understand how bad this is. You think it's easy to say, we want guys in this building that love football, and we think, well, duh, and John Harbaugh's going, no, there are guys in this building that either don't know football or don't love football, and we need to get rid of those people.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But how could he?

[Alan Hahn]

Haven't you noticed that already? They've already starting to make changes within the organization. Have you? Look, we. Our beloved Anthony Pusick. We love him. We do.

[Don LaGreca]

Right?

[John Harbaugh]

How?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Doesn't make him out of sight.

[Alan Hahn]

How broken was he during the football season?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Completely. And he's been every broke.

[Alan Hahn]

He's broken during the Rangers season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's broken during every season.

[Alan Hahn]

Rangers, all of it. Have you seen his attitude involving the Giants over the last couple of days?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's buying in.

[Alan Hahn]

He's all in and he's buying in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, he's in and he loves that they're firing people because he said, Anthony.

[Alan Hahn]

Tell him what you told me this morning because we had to go side chat because we knew you guys always side chat. No, we had to because the phone buzzing, especially with Don on the west coast.

[Anthony Pusich]

Listen, on Sunday when John and Peter were going back and forth, I thought to be like, hey, guys, a little too much text.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, you guys, there's too much camaraderie.

[Anthony Pusich]

And like, and people liking each other in this chat. We should probably dial back for the record.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hold on. So this is. Now you brought it up.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm way too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don just.

[Don LaGreca]

He overdid it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, because. Let me explain.

[Anthony Pusich]

No, no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Me and. Me and John jumped in in the middle of like a football moment that the entire sports world is watching. Oh, they're going back and forth. Alan and Anthony will have a full on podcast, you know, at 2:30 about God knows what.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is a different kind of conversation.

[Anthony Pusich]

Podcast for 500 people for three years.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So why not do it for four on our. On our group chat?

[Alan Hahn]

Why not?

[Anthony Pusich]

Listen, Peter, you won't hear from me helping.

[Alan Hahn]

That's not.

[Don LaGreca]

See, this is what happens with Anthony now.

[Alan Hahn]

He just completely records for the record.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why he's so in on what the Giants are doing. He wants destruction. So let's see what he lives for.

[Anthony Pusich]

What would you like?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, hang on. I want to get back on track because now we're all just yelling at each other. But you said something in our sidebar that I found to be. That's exactly what. So the Giants have started making moves like John Harbaugh has looked at. Not the front office, but the entire office. And they've already started making decisions on some coaches and personnel. A trainer who's been there for 45 years making some moves. People that have been there forever and, and saying how very doge of him. We're all set. Well, but what he's saying is though, is we're gonna make some changes here. And Anthony, what you said about what if he didn't do any changes? Right. You'd be more concerned.

[Anthony Pusich]

Well, there's a couple things. One, if he didn't make any changes, said, yeah, this all looks good. I'd be A little concerned. Second thing is, everybody thinks that when John Harbaugh said, me and Joe are on the same page, we're getting along great, I might actually agree with him, because I bet Joe Shane was sitting in meetings with John Harbaugh one on one, going, I got to tell you, man, I can't. This guy, I know he's been here forever. I don't like this guy, and I can't get rid of him. John loves him. Steve Tisch loves him. I can't do it. And John goes, why don't you let me worry about that? Gone.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Anthony Pusich]

Red Wedding. Came of thriving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At the Red Wedding. I don't recall at the Red Wedding, them giving them other jobs and moving them to a different room. It's not exactly the same thing, but.

[Anthony Pusich]

That was also clarified, Peter. They didn't give him a different. Ronnie Barnes is still going to be the VP of the training staff.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Anthony Pusich]

It's just that there's going to be a new head trainer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. That's what I'm saying. It's Red Wedding.

[Alan Hahn]

He ain't.

[Anthony Pusich]

He ain't here anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, he's gone. Remember how Rex Ryan came in and brought a lot of Baltimore people with him? He brought a lot of Ravens people with him because he wanted that Raven's blood in the building. Harbaugh wants to do sort of the same thing. He's already being told, well, you can't talk to any of our coaches. But they won't let him bring lateral move coaches over with him. So that's not happening. But he did tell the defensive coaching staff, we're good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know we got a break. We're talking about two separate points, though. Anthony is happy about the bloodbath, and he should be.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, he's happy.

[Damian Woody]

No, no, no.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, he is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, don't change it. He wants changes in. I get it. That's what I'm saying. Is this started about the press conference? The only thing I'm arguing with Anthony about is the mumbo jumbo football. Love football. That had nothing to do with cutting people.

[Anthony Pusich]

Perfect way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's two separate things.

[Alan Hahn]

We have that guy Thursday coming up, but here's John Harbaugh at the end. Great job by Jacob here. Listen. You hear the chuckle? He knows what he's doing here.

[John Harbaugh]

Let those guys go play somewhere else, because if you don't love football, you're not gonna love it here because we'll be doing football. That's the plan.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. He knows I just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Either that or he's just out of his gourd? It depends.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think outside of his gourd.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know. I read his note when he left Baltimore. No, I listen, it's a very good hire. I'm very excited about it. I'm not going to tell you guys it's an A plus because it was a B plus.

[Alan Hahn]

All right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the bottom line. The Stone Cold said so.

[Alan Hahn]

See if he changes his grade by the end of next season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us. Wherever you get your podcasts. We all have that one friend.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm talking about the yo yos who.

[Don LaGreca]

Set themselves themselves on fire and bathe in pork and beans.

[Alan Hahn]

Or know that one person I'm here with, my family who can't help but be. He's not cool.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His voice is weird. He's kind of a dork. His brother's a tool. His girlfriend's annoying that guy.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't know it was banner night.

[John Harbaugh]

We won't be out for that.

[Alan Hahn]

It's time for that Guy Thursday. Hey, guys, anyone want to play some ball with Don Han and Rosenberg?

[Commercial Narrator]

He's just being that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's that Guy Thursday. And I don't know if this counts as a that guy, but it's sort of a being that guy comes full circle. I think that's probably the best way I could put it, right, because as we all know, on Monday we had a. An epic national championship, right? Kurt Signetti, who's the head coach at Indiana, who has done something remarkable with basketball school turning into a football school and 15, 0 national champion. But you remember a few years ago when he said, I win. Google me, right? Which sounded like that guy kind of thing to say, because in everywhere else he was. As a head coach, he did win. But it's one of those, like, where. You know what I mean? So Anthony went to Google and he googled Kurt Signetti. Okay, you want to read for me what it says at the very top of the page? At the top of Google, when you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Type above everything in a place where you'd normally never see words, it says. It says, yup, he won.

[Alan Hahn]

Go ahead and Google it, folks. Those who might be near a computer, have a phone in your hand. Whatever it is, go ahead and Google it. Go to Google, though, and type in his name. C, I, G, N, E, T, T, I. And it says.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It drops down. Yep, he won.

[Alan Hahn]

So he was being that guy when he said, I win. Google me. And he won. Now Google said, yep, he won. He won.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, you have to admit that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's kind of cool, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And also that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

I love it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can it be both?

[Alan Hahn]

It's. That's why I'm asking. He was being that guy. But the fact that. That now it actually says it is phenomenal, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just. I'm just looking up his overall stats. This guy. I mean, it is pretty inspirational. This was IUP, is where he started. The hell's IUP?

[Alan Hahn]

Indiana University of Pennsylvania.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

That's Division 2.

[Peter Rosenberg]

IUP.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, Division 2, that's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was at IUP from 2011 to 2016.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, 2011. That's 15 years ago. So he was late. He was in his late 40s already when he got that job. Did that for six years. So you're 49, you get your first college head coaching job. At 49, you go to IUP and you win. There he was 53 and 17.

[Alan Hahn]

Think about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At IUP.

[Alan Hahn]

Indiana, University of Pennsylvania, Penn. And then he goes to the actual Indiana University.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's crazy, too. Didn't think about that.

[Alan Hahn]

Isn't that funny?

[Peter Rosenberg]

2017, he goes to Elon College.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure. Elon.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, I know. Well, because underachieving kids from my high.

[Alan Hahn]

School would go there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I say that respectfully.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. Respect.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I added respectfully. Don, when you say respectfully.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. You know, when you say no offense. Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

You mean offense.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So at elon, he was 8 and 4, and then 6 and 5. And then in 19, he ends up at James Madison. Stays there for five years. And over that time, at James Madison, he was 52 and 9.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. Keep in mind, in between, he did spend some time at Alabama working under Bama. Nick Saban.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, there's not really any time.

[Anthony Pusich]

2007 to 2010, before he got head coach, he was a wide receivers coach and recruited a man named Julio Yones.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've heard of Julio Yon.

[Alan Hahn]

Pretty good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. So, okay, so that's important.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It led to getting the IUP job.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, yes. Right. He wanted to be a head coach. So that was his first opportunity.

[Peter Rosenberg]

52 and 9 at James Madison. And he's just grinding Indiana.

[Alan Hahn]

Just grinding. But. So he's introduced at Indiana, right? It was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did he say, I'm here with my family?

[Alan Hahn]

So signing day press conference, December 20, 2023. And that's when he uttered those.

[Damian Woody]

Who are you talking about?

[Don LaGreca]

The high school guys, the transfers, Who.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All of the above.

[Don LaGreca]

I mean, how do you. It's pretty. Yeah, it's pretty simple.

[Commercial Narrator]

I win.

[Don LaGreca]

Google me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, that. Don, that is. And then to go. I drive a Dodge to end up from that to the national championship.

[Alan Hahn]

I have great respect for this man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now it's. It's hard not to because.

[Alan Hahn]

Especially because Google decided to go. You know what I mean? We should probably acknowledge this. There you go. Have you checked the page, Don, Just so you can confirm that.

[Anthony Pusich]

I did.

[Don LaGreca]

I did. I saw it. Pretty cool. Yes, I did.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep. He won. So that's my. That guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, do you have a guy?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, I'm going to stick with the same theme. Indiana football. Oh, and I'm going to call no Mark Cuban. That guy Mark Cuban was asked after the championship win, was this the most unlikely championship in American sports? His answer was ever, Ever. Even the Miracle on Ice. I don't think there's anything that compares to this.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. You get that?

[Don LaGreca]

Really?

[Alan Hahn]

That lost me.

[Don LaGreca]

Stop it. Listen, I'm just going to file it under maybe. Maybe it's not that guy. Just. You don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, he's being that guy.

[John Harbaugh]

He is.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. Because. Let me just educate people. Indiana, you know, thanks to Mark Cuban, was able to go out and get significant players, and that's why they were able to jump from basketball school, the national championship. They didn't break any rules. It's all cool. I mean, I don't. I don't love that that's what college football has become. They were a 9 1/2 point favorite in the championship game. All right, now, nobody had Indiana winning a national championship, but when you see the roster that Cuban's money was able to procure, it's not that surprising. If you want to try to find that equivalent of what Mark Cuban did with Indiana would be like, I don't know, the USA team having NHL players on its team. Oh, yeah. An all star NHL team played the Russians before the Olympics and got creamed. And then that same team took on students, as the Russian players called them students, and they beat them and then go on to beat Finland and win the gold medal. Nothing will ever touch. Listen, it's just not being a hockey guy. This is not being pro America. This is logic. There will never be an upset. There will ever compare. Don't even utter. Don't even have the conversation. Don't tweet me and say, what about Super Bowl 3? What about the Giants beating the Patriots?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

What about the Revolutionary War? Whatever you want to bring up.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, hold on. The Revolutionary War was. That's a massive upset.

[Don LaGreca]

We have no footage.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about this one? Now you going team sports only, Don you on team sports only.

[Don LaGreca]

Don't even go Buster Douglas.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It has to.

[Don LaGreca]

Can't touch it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can't say can't touch it.

[Unidentified Speaker]

You can't.

[Don LaGreca]

I just said it.

[Unidentified Speaker]

You can't.

[Don LaGreca]

I just said it.

[Alan Hahn]

He just went MC Hammer on you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You can't.

[Don LaGreca]

No, he did MC Hammer because they were both boxers. They were both professionals.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was Buster Douglas. I mean, he was.

[Alan Hahn]

Of course he was.

[Don LaGreca]

He was a professional fighter.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, you mean he was a professional.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Fighter, but it was.

[Don LaGreca]

He was tomato amateurs against paid professional athletes that had paid under the idea that they were in the military.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

No, no, listen, I'm just telling you, you can have your fun. You can tweet me, you can write me. You can. You can have your Fun.

[Alan Hahn]

Call in 800-919-3776. Bigger upset than Miracle on Ice. We dare you.

[Don LaGreca]

It just can't do it. I won't have it. Have your fun. What's your breath?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I'm sure we can look up the odds.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, we can look that up.

[Don LaGreca]

So Mark Cuban is that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

So Mark Cuban. Mark Cuban's a good one for saying that when he knows. See, again, you're being that guy when you know it's not right, but you're saying it because you want to, you want to like, kind of fluff your story. And so you're going to do that even though you know, you know you're wrong to know he's wrong.

[Don LaGreca]

But you know what's interesting? He, he, he makes my point about the upset by going there. Like, Mark Cuban's not a hockey guy, right?

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

And, and, but he's old enough to know, right? He's old enough to know. But I'm saying we're talking about something that, like, literally happened going on 46 years ago. It's still the go to.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. So even for Mark Cuban, like, if you're going to come up with an upset, if you're going to try to go there, you always naturally go there.

[Alan Hahn]

Did anyone say miracle? When Indiana won the championship, when they got the interception that closed the game? Was miracle uttered no, no. A miracle championship. No, no.

[Don LaGreca]

You know what? The miracle. Here's the thing. You know what the miracle would have been on Monday?

[Alan Hahn]

What?

[Don LaGreca]

Had Miami won? They were the nine and a half point dog. They were the ten seed. Indiana was the one seed.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, they were. Yeah, I agree.

[Don LaGreca]

Now I understand he's talking about the overall.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, the fact that most losses for a college program and all that stuff.

[Don LaGreca]

Like, I understand he's not saying Miami was the upset. I get that.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

But let's not, let's not. Again, no rules are broken. He did, he did right by his school. But let's. There's a reason why Indiana became great. If Indiana had been the typical Indiana that was never competitive and then all of a sudden won the national championship, then we could have a conversation, Right. If Boise State ever won the national championship back all those years ago on the blue field, where they go into the playoffs and get beat by 48 points to the point where they had to change the system. Please don't let Boise State back in again, then we'd have a conversation. Well, that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

Not that I want to disagree with you.

[Don LaGreca]

Interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

But coming up, there is one that might be in the conversation. And when I. Oh, and let's not.

[Don LaGreca]

Let'S not forget, I, I booked this. We got Rachel Herzog.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, Rachel Herzog. Is coming up next.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, but you have one that beats Miracle.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know, but I know it'll you will absolutely blow your top when I see it.

[Don LaGreca]

Me getting the devil's job.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I would never do that to you.

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[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Rachel Herzog, the terrific, the terrific talent from MSG Networks on the Devil's broadcast, who basically carries the broadcast, but you know, we'll get into that for another day, is going to join us momentarily. But before we bring her in, Don, I just wanted to offer to you one potential on the level of a miracle on ice type of thing. Are you aware of Leicester City in the Premier League?

[Don LaGreca]

I've heard this, yes.

[Alan Hahn]

5,000 to 1 odds to win the league championship and then they beat Tottenham to win the league champion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, I remember it. And it was on the Case show. We were 26 covering this.

[Alan Hahn]

Remember Don, 5,000 to 1. It's like pretty massive. Were they going to get relegated or something like that? Yeah, the year before they were. They were going to get relegated. Like, come on, that's like you were about to be sent to hell and they won the whole damn thing. Don't you got to give them. If you're not letting them in the room, you got to at least acknowledge.

[Don LaGreca]

Them through the window because they're in the same league. What about the Miracle Mets?

[Alan Hahn]

They call Them Miracle Mets for a reason.

[Don LaGreca]

Black Cat 100 loss team to a team that wins 100 games. And as embarrassing as they were for the first seven years of their existence and then winning the World Series. Amazing.

[Alan Hahn]

The Mets. They look like the Mets. Remember that. Come on, that's a pretty good story.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, I want to argue.

[Alan Hahn]

More with all that aside, but yes, let's bring in the. The lovely and talented Rachel Herzog from MSG Network, who has not only got a lot of work to do on this long trip to carry a broadcast with Don Lagra on it, but now we are asking her to do something this evening as the group goes out to dinner. Don has never experienced sushi before. He has told us you are a sushi connoisseur, in fact, that you dared to have sushi in Winnipeg, of all places. So with that in mind, like, can we get an idea of what you think would be. I suggested take it slow. Little Gateway would be like California roll. Peter says no, you got to go a little bit harder than that. What would you say?

[Rachel Herzog]

Yeah, well, first of all, thanks for having me on, guys. This is a pleasure, of course, all of you, but this is something Don brought up when we were in Calgary, I think, and you've probably mentioned it earlier on in the year, but I didn't know that you had never even had a lick of sushi in your life. And I almost shed a tear. I've been eating sushi since I was, I think, seven years old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, your culture.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go. Right? Yeah.

[Anthony Pusich]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You were raised, right.

[Rachel Herzog]

I was a kid in second or third grade that said my favorite food was sushi, and all the kids were like, ew, she eats raw fish. She's nasty. No, we make it at home and everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wait, hold on. The Herzogs are chefing up sushi at home?

[Alan Hahn]

I love this.

[Rachel Herzog]

Oh, yeah. I make it in Jersey, too. It's something that once you get a rhythm with it, it is super easy to make if you take the time to do it. So. Yeah, we've been doing that our whole life. When we were growing up, if we got good grades, we'd have a big sushi night, whether we went to all you can eat or we would make it at home. So it's been a fan favorite for us, her dogs back in Minnesota.

[Don LaGreca]

So she's like Molly Ringwald and Breakfast Club Club. They're bringing it to school for lunch.

[Alan Hahn]

That's all right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But Rachel, let me. Let me ask you this. So. So tonight, do you know the place you're going like, have you been there before? The place you're going tonight?

[Rachel Herzog]

So last year we went to this place called Miku, and it was delicious. But I'd like to try something different. I'm sitting here at the Devil's Morning Skate. I was looking up some restaurants near our hotel, trying to find the best fit for Don and his first experience.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, this is big.

[Rachel Herzog]

You need a wide variety, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, yes.

[Rachel Herzog]

I was thinking you got to start small. The generic California roll, the crab, cucumber, avocado.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, that's perfect.

[Rachel Herzog]

Then maybe a shrimp tempura. And then we're gonna. Don, you're gonna have to try the raw fish at some point tonight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, listen, Rachel, here's my theory. This is what I'm saying. I think that Don. This is my respect for Don. He's never done it, but I believe if he's going to do it, wants to do it right, I think you can get to. I think he'll. I think he'll be able to do, you know, a yellow tail spicy tuna. I think he'll be fine. I really, I mean, listen, I don't. I wouldn't go eel with the guy, but I think he'll be good with the regular spicy tunas. The yellow tail shrimp tempura, certainly not a problem. I really think you'll be okay.

[Rachel Herzog]

Oh, yeah, I 100 agree. I know. I'm. I'm a big salmon fan and salmon is big here in Vancouver, so I think that's a must try today. I don't know. Don Roland's favorite sushi is eel. He might be forcing. Forcing your hand in that.

[Don LaGreca]

So now I'm being. This is not performative at all. I am, like, legit nervous about this. I'm really legit. I'm legitimately nervous.

[Alan Hahn]

Rachel, we need a camera on this, please.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, we need pictures.

[Alan Hahn]

Rachel, we're going to need post, we're going to need video, but please help me.

[Don LaGreca]

If this does go, send them your way.

[Rachel Herzog]

It's going to be on the broadcast. I already got this all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. There we go.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, this is going to be fun. Tomorrow, stay up late, drink your coffee. 10 o', clock, start local. But if this goes sideways, can I. Is there a steak? Is there something I can have for dinner? If this is just something that doesn't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rachel, he hasn't heard of anything on the menu. Just so you know, we were saying earlier, like, oh, you could have some, like, rock shrimp or tempura or. Or, you know, get some edamame or gyoza Nothing. Rachel, he's heard of none of it. Doesn't know anything.

[Alan Hahn]

Understand. So Miku. Miku is actually a Japanese restaurant. So they have steak there, right?

[Rachel Herzog]

Yes, yeah, I believe so. They're very well known for their sushi too. But yeah, I think we had Gabby, our social media girl for the Devils, So I think she had, like, fried rice and steak or chicken of some sort. There's always a options at these restaurants. Kind of look like a loser if you're not ordering sushi.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's right. That's right.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't want that. Make sure you let them know, like, side eye him, like, come on, let's go, like, get in the game.

[Rachel Herzog]

I honestly like those basic rolls you're gonna like. I mean, if it's not raw. You like crab, right? Have you had crab?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

Crab. I can eat crab then.

[Rachel Herzog]

Yeah, Yeah. I think those will be just fine. I think you're gonna be pleasantly surprised. It's not overly fishy. It's not gonna smell bad. I think it's a very neutral flavor, honestly. So I think you're gonna be pleasantly surprised with the experience. And then you're gonna get your wife to try it out. I know you said she doesn't like it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Before you know it. Before you know it. Before you know it, Don and Nancy jumping on the first thing, smoke into Tokyo.

[Don LaGreca]

I guess that's my question. Like, what, what odds would you put on? All of a sudden, I become a sushi guy?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, you guys, I love the odds. I, I honestly, I, I, I truly will be surprised if you don't come away.

[Alan Hahn]

You're gonna love enjoying it. At least one thing you're gonna go, I like that for.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's gonna dig 100%.

[Alan Hahn]

You're gonna like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now are you gonna. Rachel, are you. What's your soy sauce wasabi sort of situation? You're gonna coach him that way as well?

[Anthony Pusich]

Oh, yeah.

[Rachel Herzog]

I mean, I love everything spicy. I, Everything that I eat has red pepper flake hot sauce. You name it. All the good stuff with you, Don. You like spicy food?

[Don LaGreca]

Yes, yes.

[Alan Hahn]

You're in good hands.

[Rachel Herzog]

You can either put it right on the sushi, the classic way, or you can mix it in your soy sauce to make it like spicy soy sauce.

[Alan Hahn]

This is amazing. One thing we need to do, though, Rachel, when you guys do get back from this very, very long road trip that you guys are on, is we're gonna have to figure out a way on an off day where you can make us some sush. Come in and we have a nice meal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Makes us the sushi. You want to try her sushi?

[Alan Hahn]

I want to see how good it is. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. I'm down for Herzog Sushi lunch.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm all about some Herzog Sushi. I think it'd be great as long as you're okay with it.

[Rachel Herzog]

Or maybe that loves to host. I love hosting family dinner. I try to do it all the time. I love to cook like it's my favorite pastime. So on my off days I'm always, always cooking something new. I'm sharing it with my neighbors across the hall in my apartment building. So you guys, we find a day you're welcome to come over, you get to meet my cats. If you don't like cats. I don't want to hear the slander and we'll have a great time.

[Alan Hahn]

There'll be no cat slander and we might just bring some Comrexes over over and just have do the show.

[Rachel Herzog]

All right, well make sure the highlight of the year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Make sure you get some good video and photos and we'll all be following along on social media and on the.

[Alan Hahn]

Broadcast or tomorrow night.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, thank you Rachel.

[Rachel Herzog]

You've been a photograph every stage staring it down wide eyed mid bite and the reaction he got the whole.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, the best.

[Don LaGreca]

Thank you Rachel. It's been great joining the team. You've made it a lot of fun to work with and she's terrific at what she does, guys because she brings to the table as a sideline reporter. What a lot of people don't is that she played played at St. Cloud State. She knows the game, she was a defenseman. So she puts in the work and she's really made a really fun transition from radio to television for me. And we got a great team of people, you know, behind the scenes people, you know, Roland Dratch, one of the best producers in the business. Tommy. And then obviously working with Bryce and, and Kenny. But Rachel's been terrific. Thank you, Rachel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks Rachel.

[Alan Hahn]

And Rachel, I have to send you, I have to. My 10 year old daughter plays and you got to see her, she's a rip. It's a lot of fun. So we got a lot of hockey to talk.

[Don LaGreca]

Absolutely.

[Rachel Herzog]

Send it my way.

[Alan Hahn]

You got it.

[Rachel Herzog]

Yes, 100%.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Rachel Herzog]

I appreciate you guys having me on. This is a lot of fun.

[Alan Hahn]

Great to have you. We'll talk to you again.

[Don LaGreca]

You got it.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. This is going to be fun. This is gonna be fun tonight.

[Don LaGreca]

Rick DiPietro chimed in.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you sure you should read this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think you should lay out here and move forward.

[Alan Hahn]

There's a lot of tiptoeing and there's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A lot of sushi and fish chalk.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just don't think this is a great place.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm gonna forward it to you guys, and then you decide whether you, whether this is something that should be right or not.

[Alan Hahn]

I just.

[Don LaGreca]

You just should be receiving it now, yet.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I don't even understand it.

[Don LaGreca]

Again, I'm not sure either.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter, I'm with you.

[Don LaGreca]

Like, I, I, I'm. I, I think I know, but I'm not.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah, no, I know. And it's, it's not. No, don't say don't.

[Anthony Pusich]

Even if I don't know, it's not worth saying on the.

[Alan Hahn]

Once you say it out loud, you're gonna go, oh. And just. Oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I liked it. You know what? That was more. More creative than his usual.

[Alan Hahn]

It was really good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was actually pretty good.

[Don LaGreca]

For people that might be confused that it was all about Peter going after.

[Peter Rosenberg]

God forbid.

[Don LaGreca]

God forbid.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers before you go.

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