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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg
Hour 2: Dave Maloney & Thursday Rewrite
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Don Hahn
You know that one friend who somehow knows everything about money?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
Now imagine they live in your phone. Say hey to Experian, your big financial friend. It's the app that helps you check your FICO score, find ways to save, and basically feel like a financial genius.
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Dave Maloney
And guess what?
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Don Hahn
It's totally free. So go on, download the Experian app. Trust me, having a BFF like this is a total game changer.
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Podcast Announcer
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Caller
That sounds like heaven to me.
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Podcast Announcer
Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers, 403.
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Caller
In the big city. Don on and Rosenberg with you until 6:30. Then it's Mets baseball, Mets and the brewers concluding their series over at Citi Field. Well, July 4th is tomorrow, but hockey's on the minds of a lot of people, including myself and Alan pretty much all the time because we're puckheads. And if you're a fan of the New York Rangers, you know the voice of our next guest, Dave Maloney. He does the color with Kenny Albert. Of course, Kenny moving on to television and we wish him luck. And of course Dave does a great job on the radio and he's got a really important charity he wants to be able to promote. The Shoulder Check Showcase is returning July 24th at Terry Connors Rink in Stamford, Connecticut. NHL players in attendance already includes Chris Kreider, Brett Pesci, Frank Vetrano, and Kevin Hayes. He's Dave Maloney joins us here on Donjon Rosenberg. How are you, sir?
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Alan Rosenberg
Not too bad, boys. How are you? Happy 4th as we kick this thing off. And it's hard to believe we're at the fourth already despite the fact that the Rangers were dusted out in mid April. But things have flown by here and we come through the free agent signing. But yes, it's great once again to be able to talk up Shoulder check the events entering its third year. And it's just been a, it's been a terrific story from the get go, guys. I know we've talked about it and once again they'll be putting on a show on July 24th at Terry Connors arena in Stanford.
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Caller
Yeah, we'll get to all of the, the hockey stuff, Dave, but just tell us as much as you can about this and how did it start and why is it so important to you?
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Alan Rosenberg
Well, it started with a tragic event. Hayden Thornson, a youngster who was a an up and coming netminder, took his life and his dad and mom and dad tried to make and have made Something terrific happen in Hayden's memory out of that tragedy. Right? And like a lot of times, I think we can all agree we are going to get knocked around a little bit. And when you get knocked down, what are you going to do? And the Thorsten family has taken on an initiative to continue to build awareness to mental health, teenage mental health. You know, Covid was a disastrous time for kids in those vulnerable ages, right. 13, 14, 15. And the Thorson family with the Shoulder check initiative have taken upon themselves to raise awareness, raise some funding, raise some funding with the eventuality of continuing to delve and, and urge people to reach out. And I think that's the biggest message. And the two events that we've had, guys, it's just, it's been terrific. I mean the spirit of cooperation and the spirit of recognition with those who have attended has been really heart rending. To think that something so tragic has led to a movement that has really taken roots in a lot of communities, a lot of hockey programs. National Hockey League is involved, the NHLPA is being involved. It's just a great story for the Thorson family.
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Dave Maloney
You know, Dave, when we talk about mental health, sometimes you'll get like, some people will give you an eye roll. You know, you sometimes get that kind of reaction because look, sports is about being tough and fighting through and, and enduring and all that stuff. But you know, people also do forget like sports is also about camaraderie and teamwork and looking out for your teammate, sticking up for your teammate, doing things that are not easy to do sometimes. And you know, that's kind of what this feels like, is to remind people with it and to have hockey involved. To me it's like some of the toughest guys who play the toughest sport. Letting people know that, you know, the idea of checking in on somebody's mental health is not considered a weakness. It's just considered support like you would if somebody had a, like a physical injury.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right?
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Dave Maloney
It's the same kind of thing. And so it's great to see the hockey community get involved in this thing. And I'm sure you have seen and this is now three years with this game, right?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yes, it's the third one, Allen. And thanks. That was really well said. I mean there was an era of sport or generation of athlete where being tough was saying nothing, being tough was grinning and bearing. And I still think there's a certain amount of credibility to that attitude. But the recognition that, you know, people are going to handle things different ways and there. And it takes a brave soul to admit that he needs help, let alone a mate, to recognize that somebody might be struggling a little bit. So I think we just hopefully society, despite some of the rhetoric that's going on now, hopefully societies become a little more sympathetic to those who, you know, life looks a little bit differently, feels a little bit differently, a kid learns a little bit differently, their identities, who they think they are is a little bit differently. But at the end of the day, everybody has a right to health and happiness. And shoulder check is really just a great initiative for me personally to be involved in. And you're right, I think long gone is the days where an athlete is looked at disparagingly when he admits he needs help. They are advocating and have been encouraged to advocate for long term health. And I just think we improve as a community, as a society as a result.
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Caller
Talking to Dave Maloney and of course, let's talk some hockey as we get deeper into the summer. Before you know it, we're gonna be dropping the puck. And one of the guys that are gonna be at this event on July 24th is Chris Kreider. And it's gonna be odd not to see him. He, you know, the third most goals in franchise history, time for the most power play goals. Dave, he was kind of an enigma following him throughout his career. There were times he was dominant, there were times where he wasn't. But I thought he was a great Ranger. And it's going to be kind of strange as much as it probably had to happen, it's still going to be strange not to see him on the Rangers.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, it really is. I mean, he's been a really, you know, a homegrown guy that went about his business his way. I know we've got, you know, you and I both got times to kind of get to know him a little bit better over time. And there's no question there was a time where more was expected from him. And then. I know, I think we both agreed at some point we just got to sign off on him, who he is, because he's pretty good as a player and he's better as a human being. And I'm not sure Chris did himself any favors by not just kind of showing that side of him a little more often. It's not that he was abrupt of any stretch of the imagine. He's a deep. He was a thinker and all those things. I'm gonna miss him. I'm gonna miss him. But that being said, I can't help but think that he wasn't the first Nor will he be the last homegrown Ranger that moves. Gets moved at a certain point in his career where he doesn't quite think his career is at that point. But I do think he's going to be a very good player in Anaheim. He's going into a situation that's coming and Joel Quamville is behind the bench. So there's going to be a culture there. And really good, good luck to Chris. I hope I'm all the best. There was a time for a change. Chris's contract kind of put him in that spot where he was one of the guys might be attractive and a little more easy to move. But that being said, there's no question, absolutely no question, as Chris Terry said, he will always be remembered as a New York Ranger.
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Dave Maloney
I mean, things have to move forward. And even on the defensive backline, you know, you're seeing some changes as well. They bring in Gabriel Cop, which is again, for the money. It's a terrific signing. Is this sort of a replacement for Lindgren as Ryan Lindgren? He got real beat up. He gave up his, his body for the team over the last couple of years. And how much does Gavrikov almost help Adam Fox going forward?
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Alan Rosenberg
Well, you have to hope so, right, Alan? I mean, it makes a lot of sense. He was, he was. If not, he might have been the top free age defenseman out there. And what he brings is really a solid, a solid pro game, right. That's going to defend and defend with big minutes. And I think that the Rangers have to calm down a little bit in their own end. Right. And I think, I think Gavakov is going to. From all. You really don't know a guy, do you? See him day in and day out, but you have an opinion of him when you see him once in a while. And to me looks like a guy that just is going to play his big minutes. He's going to block shots, he's going to do the things that are within the capability of his game. And I do think that the Rangers desperately need just to calm down and have the personnel that plays with the experience to be able to say it's okay, I don't have to make a brilliant play every time. And that being said, make no question, Keandre Miller is moving to a franchise that has a certain identity with a wonderful coach and a wonderful structure in Brindamoor. So hopefully both franchises benefit. But Gavikov seemed to be one of the top dogs in the defensive zone and he's now a Ranger and the.
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Caller
Other thing that Chris Jury had to do was to get under the cap, find some flexibility. And I think he's done a great job. Gets Gabakov for a lot less money than people thought it would cost. Getting Cooley for under $4 million. They got to get a third line, Dave, and I think that's really going to help to be able to have him at 3.9 million. And the other thing that got lost in the shuffle to me, Dave, I'm not sure how much you thought about it either. Some people raised an eyebrow when he re upped with Borgn. And when you look at the money these defensemen are getting, they got him in a bargain, too. So I think Chris Drury has done a really good job with the money that he's doled out to these players.
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah, I mean, the thing with Borg and the guy that gets lost in the shuffle here is Braden Schneider.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
You know, again, Schneider sounds like Schneider's going to move over to the left side. And there's no question if you, if he's a top four on your club at 4 million, you know, he's making some good, you know, that's good money spent, I think, also having to move, you know, the contracts that he's been able to move without keeping money in house. And that goes back to Jake Truba and now with Chris Kreider. So Chris has done a terrific job. And I think there's, you know, again, it, okay, if you have money, how are you going to spend it? And you look at Florida and you talk about that third line. That third line might have been, might be one of the best third lines in history with Marshawn playing with Lindell. Who's the random? I talked, I talked to Mike Sullivan a couple days ago over at the Ranger development camp and to him that amongst the many things that Florida brought to the table was that ability for March on to slot in that position. So your suggestion at Cooley, is he there? Is that where he is? Should he be up in the lineup? You look at the personnel, maybe. Maybe that is where he ends up. And if he's there, you're going to be a really good team.
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Dave Maloney
You brought up Mike Sullivan, the new head coach. What, what does he bring? What changes? What difference in the Rangers can we expect this coming season with him now at the helm?
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Alan Rosenberg
Well, I think first of all, I don't think you can underestimate both he and Mike Sullivan or David Quinn coming back and having experienced life in New York, what the franchise is about, how long Franchises has been without a winner. And understanding the culture here of what it takes to really get a run at things here in New York. That being said, I think Sully's two Cup wins with elite players is, is important because you can say what you like. You need your lead elite players to be elite players to have any chance. Now, there was a question this past season, for whatever reason, I think the top end of the Ranger lineup just wasn't good enough. And I just think that Mike Sullivan brings the pedigree now. He's a winner. He's dealt with probably arguably one of the greatest NHL players looking out in history in Sidney Crosby. So I think there's a real ability there to recognize what's important. He, you know, he spoke about, you know, depth being key. So I just think there are a number of intangibles here from a leadership standpoint that he and I really like his staff. I'll tell you, it takes a lot for David Quinn to come back. Yeah, right. And he admitted, he admitted that much to me. But you know, Chris Terry reached out. They come to some sort of agreement, you throw Joe Sacco in the mix. Oh, they're all Boston guys, you know what I mean, Johnny? I don't care about that, but I just, I really like the staff. I really do. And Mike and David Quinn haven't had a chance to meet Joe Sacco yet. But Mike and David Quinn are two of the nicest guys, as I think you would attest to, Donnie, that we've come across in the past, in the game.
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Caller
Yeah, David was, was a really good guy. The circumstances unfortunately didn't work out with him, but in the comeback, I think he's going to do a world of good for this team. And even though it does feel like, and I've been using it because it's kind of a garden thing, a reimagining of the roster. If you got Panarin, you've got Trocheck, you've got, you know, Zabanajag can kind of get going. You've got a world class goaltender. Can you, can this still, can this team still find its way in the playoffs?
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Alan Rosenberg
You forgot one guy who might be the most important guy outside of Shosturkin.
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Dave Maloney
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
J.T. miller.
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Caller
Yeah.
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Alan Rosenberg
And I thought again, there has been conversations and observations that the culture, the culture had to change. And the guys that had been significant parts, Chris Kreider, Mikasa Benejad, Adam Fox, you know, had developed perhaps some sense of false security in the fact that they got there but didn't quite get it done right now. I think J.T. miller, the Batman and Robin in the new organization, he And Trojek, when J.T. miller is an old school guy, he practices hard. You know, he, he expects a lot. You know, he's one of those guys. I think Trocheck, it will be really good for him just to kind of keep the edge as smooth as it needs to be. So do I think there? Yes, I do. I really do. Because the key position is goaltending and we saw how important it was once again in the finals going in. I think the number one question, who had the advantage in goal, let alone everything else they had going well, Bobrovsky proved it once again. So you have Shusturkin, you have maybe you put the Banajad on the outside, you have Miller in the middle, you have pro check in the middle, that third line rotation, who knows that's going to look. But I think you do have key elements to make you a legitimate playoff contender.
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Caller
Well, it's the shoulder check showcase. You can follow it at the shoulder check. Doors open at 4 o'. Clock. You're going to get a game at 6:30. Trevor Zegras, Chris Kreider, Spencer Knight, Matt Rempe, Kevin Shatton, Kirk, Frank Vetrano. There's so many really good players. Mason McTavish is Shane Gostispare. Dave, tell us how we can get more involved. Tell us how we can get tickets. I know you sent me a QR code. I can probably resend that through my social media. But is there a way that you get tickets?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yes. Shoulder check certainly is on Instagram, is on all social media networks out there. There's access. Social media has a, a website also. So. And I believe tickets can be purchased through those social media outlets. And once again, what if, if once a year we can revisit with you guys? That means you guys are still doing well and shoulder checks doing even better.
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Caller
That's right.
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Dave Maloney
Shoulder check. Shouldercheck.org is the site. I do know that. As you know, my son plays his alma mater, the Taft School in Connecticut. They are a partner along with a lot of the other prep schools in Connecticut. And I love to see that involvement because that's the age you're talking about when it comes to this. So it's important that those programs are involved. And right there it's very easy for anybody to go to shouldercheck.org that's where you can get your tickets and all the information you possibly need, including if you want to get your program involved as A partner in it as well.
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Alan Rosenberg
Terrific. Alan And I know Rob and his group, Rob Thorson, who really is the factor behind. And perhaps next year we can have Rob on to talk a little bit about his experiences and what they're doing. And I know the initiatives have gotten to the prep school levels. I also know, I had a coffee with Rob yesterday, that the American hockey is taking it to basically every franchise there. So this is the thing, I think if you listen to the story, understand what the initiative, how it is, it's really a nice story to kind of make awareness for kids at a certain time of life where maybe life is throwing a curveball at them. So it's all good stuff. So thanks for the time and you guys both enjoy the rest of your summer. And I guess at the end of the day, let's go Rangers.
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Caller
We'll see at the rink.
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Dave Maloney
All right, man, Appreciate it.
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Alan Rosenberg
All right, let's go. Shoulder check. Thanks, guys. Appreciate it.
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Caller
All right, that Dave Maloney. July 24, 4 o', clock, the lots open over at the Terry Collins ice Rink. Connors Ice Rink, excuse me, in Stanford, Connecticut. And the Lots open. They're going to have activities, food, raffles, plus learn how you can bring the shoulder check to your community. 6 o', clock, inax program begins and there'll be a skills showcase and at 6:30 will be the puck drop of the third annual event. So definitely check all of that out. And you, you said it so well, Alan. You know, you go to the doctor or you can ask a teammate for help when you hurt your shoulder or your elbow or your knee or something's bothering you. But when it comes to mental health in professional sports, you feel like you can't share it with anybody and nobody knows what to do. And it ends up the quiet and the, the ignoring of it ends up doing a lot worse. So to be able to open up about what you're going through with your teammates and eliminate the stigma of weakness that seems to stick to mental health is going to help everybody in the.
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Dave Maloney
Long run normalize talking about it. That's it, that's, that's really what you're trying to do here, is normalize talking about it. And the young man, you know, if you think about it too, you know, again, relative to a parent, because you can just think about his parents, you know, he played mid Fairfield, which is a terrific hockey program in, in Connecticut. This is all things that, like my son played against midfield. Like it's, it's, it feels very close to home when you, when you Read the story and you see it and you say to yourself, okay, if all it takes is just to eliminate the stigma of having a kid, not feel like if I say something, they're going to think I'm weak or they're just going to tell me to, you know, toughen up and all those things. No, have, have a conversation, talk about it, get, just think about it. You, you can't ever go back, right? So just eliminate it now. Eliminate that stigma. Like you said, the fear to say something because you don't want to face ridicule or feel like you're weak. And that's a tough sport. And all this, really, all of sports is tough. Life is tough. But just to be able to talk about it in today's day and age is important. And these types of events bring you that ability to send the message out to not just adults who should know what your kids talk about it, but also understand that there are kids that go. And they understand too. Like, it's all right if I say something, it's not a sign of weakness. So it's important. So that's why I support this. It's on a Friday, Friday evening in Connecticut. It's a great week. It's easy to get to. I really like, I want to take Callie. I think she'd have a great time at this event.
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Caller
The Thursday rewrite is next here on Don Hanna Rosenberg on ESPN New York.
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Podcast Announcer
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Caller
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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Podcast Announcer
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Listener
The time continuum has been disrupted, creating an alternate 1985.
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Podcast Announcer
This is.
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Alan Rosenberg
Hey, Doc, are you telling me you.
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Listener
Built a time machine?
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Podcast Announcer
The Thursday rewrite.
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Dave Maloney
Well, the referencing is perfect for the intro to this, Don. As Thursday rewrite is going to celebrate an anniversary today. It is the 40th anniversary of Back to the Future.
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Caller
That's crazy, man.
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Dave Maloney
Isn't it? Think about it. 40 years is the larger distance between when that movie came out to now than it was to when he went back in time to 1955.
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Caller
By 10 years.
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Dave Maloney
It's crazy, but true. So, anyways, so I thought, let's have some fun. Now everything has to be about sports. No, it doesn't. Not on a day like today. Let's have some fun. So Thursday rewrites going to ask this simple question. What if Doc never taped back together the letter he tore up that Marty wrote to warn him that he was going to get shot by Libyans because he stole the.
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Alan Rosenberg
What?
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Dave Maloney
Plutonium. Whatever it was. Yeah.
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Caller
Plutonium. Yes. So, yeah, remember.
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Dave Maloney
Remember, he tore it all up right in front of him, told him, no, we cannot mess with the. The time continuum or whatever. Space, time continuum. Right. Refused to. You have to let fate take its course and all that stuff. So if Doc doesn't. If Doc never tapes it back together, and if you're wondering, the letter. I'm trying. I have, like, a copy of. It's amazing that people actually have a copy of these things online, but it's almost impossible to read. On the night that I go back in time at 1:30am you will be shot by terrorists. Please take whatever precautions necessary to prevent this terrible disaster. Your friend Marty, So he tears that up, never sees it, never knows that he's going to be shot by terrorists, so never wears the vest. I have a theory of what happens next. Okay. Okay. Because as you remember, he disappears because he's chased by the terrorists until he hits 88 miles an hour. Right? And then that sparks the DeLorean to become a time machine, and he ends up in 1955. And then all hell breaks loose in 1955. He's got to fix the Problem? Anybody by now has seen the movie. But at the end, they figure out a way to get him back to 1985. Right.
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Caller
Mm.
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Dave Maloney
Doc's up on the clock. He's gotta put the extension course together. I mean, the whole thing's hysterical. So he hits 88 miles an hour. The DeLorean becomes a time machine again. He doesn't return to the mall parking lot, remember? Don't. Because he's on Main street in town, at the town square. Right. Because they needed the lightning bolt to hit that they knew would happen. So when he returns to 1985, he returns to Main street in town. Mm. I think the DeLorean appears. Somebody sees it, the police come, pull him over. He's arrested because he's a prime suspect in the murder of Doc.
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Caller
Oh, yeah, right.
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Dave Maloney
Doc Brown is dead. And the only person anybody ever saw him with is this kid Marty McFly, who stole his car and left. Correct?
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Caller
True, but there's something. There's a piece you're missing.
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Dave Maloney
You mean the. The VHS video? No, no, not that. Because he took that with him. The.
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Caller
And it always bothered me watching it. What happened to the terrorists? They hit the little Kodak stand.
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Dave Maloney
Right.
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Caller
I don't think that impact would have guaranteed killed them both.
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Dave Maloney
No, no. They kept going. They got out of there. Remember? The gun jammed. That's why Marty's alive.
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Caller
Was the gun. See them smash into the Kodak shack there?
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Dave Maloney
The photo.
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Caller
Right, the photo mat.
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Dave Maloney
Yeah.
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Caller
And we don't know. Did they escape? Were they killed? Were they knocked unconscious?
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Dave Maloney
So I would met. They were in a van.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right?
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Caller
They were in the. They were in that Volkswagen.
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Dave Maloney
Right? The vw.
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Caller
Right. They were in the microbus.
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Dave Maloney
Yes. Right.
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Caller
And then they collide into that. What happened to them?
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Dave Maloney
They disappeared. They took off. They left. Because. Because.
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Caller
How do we know that?
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Dave Maloney
Wait a minute. First of all, Don, if you're flying around trying to kill some kid. And all of a sudden the car disappears in smoke, are you hanging around the hell out of there?
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Caller
But I killed the guy.
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Dave Maloney
I'm done.
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Caller
They never. But you're. You're just. You're taking the leap that they were conscious. They freaked out and they escaped.
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Dave Maloney
They ran, okay? Yeah.
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Caller
I don't know where they could. They believe they were knocked unconscious, and then they wake up not remembering the whole DeLorean thing. The police show up, and it's easy to figure out, I guess. The microbus that collided with the. What did you. But what was it again?
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Dave Maloney
Photo.
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Caller
Yeah, the photo. Matt, they must have something to do with this. Man being dead in the parking lot. Or did they wake up? Did they. Were they able to make the microbus still run, take the body so there's no evidence of it happening. We never know what happened to the terrorists. That could be a whole movie in itself.
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Dave Maloney
Wow.
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Caller
Because if they died, then you look and say obviously this is some kind of deal that gone wrong. The terrorists obviously were the ones that shot the doc.
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Dave Maloney
Now let's.
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Caller
If they were able to escape, you'd still see the microbus. So the microbus must have had something to do with it. They can get prints off of that. Did they run with the. The rocket launcher?
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Dave Maloney
That's where they did have a rocket.
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Caller
I don't think. I don't think he would have been arrested because I think there would have been enough evidence at the scene to solve him of the crime.
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Dave Maloney
It's a small town. It's 1985. Yeah, right. So Doc Brown is dead. Whole blood, just dead. The kid he was with that hung around with him disappeared. So did the very expensive stainless steel DeLorean. That's gone too.
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Alan Rosenberg
Right.
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Dave Maloney
And they don't think, hey, maybe this thing just disappeared. No, this kid jumped in the car and stole. He took. He's killed. Killed. He killed professor and stole his car. I don't. Then all of a sudden he returns. He returns to town and in the middle of the night. And they catch him.
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Caller
I don't doubt that he's a person of interest. He clearly is a person of interest.
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Dave Maloney
So now there's no future two. There's no three. And by the way, Biff, who. Who stole the. The almanac, as you remember, that was in two, right? Biff now becomes the billionaire. Yes, because there's no going back in time to take the almanac back from him. Think about all the crazy stuff that ended up happening. Because McFly comes back, gets arrested, gets thrown in jail and they think he's crazy because he keeps telling the story about how he went back in time. I know, like you're nuts. It didn't happen.
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Caller
No, but it's crazy.
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Dave Maloney
In a sane asylum. Think about it.
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Caller
How do you tell that story again? But he would be able to tell the story like they wouldn't believe him, that he went back in time. That's foolhardy to believe that.
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Dave Maloney
Exactly.
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Caller
But he could say that Doc was killed by terrorists because he purchased plutonium from the terrorists. There's a microbus. There's evidence that a rocket launcher was fired.
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Dave Maloney
You hear yourself? But what is more plausible, that the teenager iced the Dock and stole his sports car.
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Caller
I'm asking you.
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Dave Maloney
Or terrorists were chasing me around the parking lot of our mall and they're the ones that killed the doc. And the car disappeared into time. Into the time space continuum.
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Caller
That. That I get. I'm not saying he's not a sheriff.
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Dave Maloney
Is listening to that.
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Caller
But where did this microbus come from? And when they dust it for Prince they will see that he had. He was not in the bus. He did not drive it into the Fotomat. So where did that. That had to have something to do with it. And he tells the story that they.
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Dave Maloney
Were terrorists saw the shooting and they got scared and. And drove.
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Caller
But he's going to tell them I was in a time machine. You need plutonium in order to go travel the time. Yeah. It sounds ridiculous. But there's evidence. But there's evidence of plutonium. Right? There would be. They would be able to trace that. There's evidence that terrorists. They'd find out who registered the car was registered to. They would dust it for Prince that he was not in the car.
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Dave Maloney
Right.
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Caller
So they could trace.
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Dave Maloney
The bus is stuck there. They never drove through the photo map.
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Caller
I believe that first of all we never found out what happened to them. You're making the assumption that they ran on foot.
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Dave Maloney
Right.
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Caller
They could have been killed. They could have been knocked unconscious and still be unconscious when the police showed up. And then that's it. That. That's a perfect day to be. They had something to do with it like a.
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Dave Maloney
Like a. Like a sequel on Just, just.
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Caller
I want to know what happened to the terrorists. And the other thing that bothered me in two.
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Dave Maloney
Yeah.
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Caller
Is that the almanac was what from like 1950 to night to 2000.
- [31:26]
Dave Maloney
Yes. Like all the one that predicted the Miami team winning.
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Caller
It's not thick enough to hold every score over a 50 year span.
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Dave Maloney
Yeah. He rolled it up and put it in his back pocket.
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Caller
Yeah. He made. It's a magazine. Like come on. The fine print would be way too. You'd need a magnifying glass to be able to read those scores. But listen, sometimes you got to suspend disbelief.
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Dave Maloney
But how do you. This is.
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Alan Rosenberg
This is.
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Caller
I, I listen. This is the best one yet, man. Because I think we've got unresolved issues here. I believe that we can get somebody because Hollywood's completely ran out of ideas. Right. Like they. They're remaking movies. And why not with the popularity of that movie that they can't trace something from what happened to the terrorists.
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Dave Maloney
That would be interesting because anything the Only the. Only if you wanted to take that. Now this is a. This is a trilogy. Right. There's. They only had to make. And the third one was.
- [32:17]
Caller
Just got three there because they made one. They made two and three at the same time.
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Dave Maloney
Yeah.
- [32:21]
Caller
And then the three was when they went back west and that was a bad one.
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Dave Maloney
Awful. And if they were going to make a fourth, you could make it now with Marty's son doing the same thing. Like maybe stumbling over something and figure and going back to 1985 and using a lot of like, you know, stuff that hit the cutting room floor. Like different. Different things you. Scenes that you could use that have Marty and everybody like and find a way to make a movie out of that. And it might be interesting because going back in time and that would be 40 years or even more now by the time they make the movie. But first of all, your kids aren't old enough yet. But it's amazing to me how like Gracie, she's 17. I can get Gracie to listen to songs from the 80s that sound a lot like. Or there are covers that are made today by her favorite artist and we listen to the same song. We love it. So this there. There always are these crossovers of generations that you could do that and do like an 80s flashback. It'd be kind of fun. But there are people calling about this. Don, do we want to have anyone's input on today's Thursday rerun?
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Caller
Yeah, man, it's the middle of the summer. We're having fun. And I again, I would love any theory what happened to the terrorists.
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Dave Maloney
Okay. Yeah, the theories on the. On the terrorists would be.
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Caller
Well, I would love to know they die. Were they wounded and still there on the scene because who knows when, like at what time. We don't know what time was it again? I think it was 1:30 or something. So yeah, it's probably another six hours before people start getting to the mall to open up the shot. Like that body could have been there a while. So they. They could have been knocked unconscious and still escape.
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Dave Maloney
Driving by. Is that a guy in a security car just driving?
- [33:59]
Caller
I don't know. Again, we never really got a chance to see the area eventually did deteriorate from the way it was in 1955, as we know.
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Dave Maloney
We did notice that too.
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Caller
And I just loved it. Went from like Twin Pines to Lone Pine. It was all such a great movie. But that's the thing that's been bothering me for the last 40 odd years has been what happened to the terrorists.
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Dave Maloney
Yeah.
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Caller
I mean, it's 40th anniversary of back to the Future.
- [35:45]
Dave Maloney
Just want to remind everybody that, that when he returns, he crashes into the.
- [35:49]
Caller
Movie theater, which is a porn theater, I think at that time.
- [35:53]
Dave Maloney
I think by that point. Yes.
- [35:55]
Caller
Yeah.
- [35:55]
Dave Maloney
And what they did to the town, by the way, it's so sad. And there was like a, a homeless guy sleeping on the bench. He wakes up, reacts like it's a, it's an abandoned town. Now somebody I got, I want to give credit because look, we're all, we're all doing this stuff on the fly. We try and have fun. Blue and orange. Blue and orange tells me, and I get it, one of the things that we forgot, actually, another one says soldier also said that when McFly went back to 1985, he dialed it back 10 minutes so he could, he could stop, like save Doc from the shrine. Right. Understand he's crashing into this thing. Now if the guy was found dead, it's a different story. They'd already know somebody was dead. If he went back 10 minutes early, the shooting hadn't happened yet, right?
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Caller
Yeah, but he did. He didn't get there in time.
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Dave Maloney
Anyway, that's my thing is he doesn't get there in time. So he's got to DeLorean. What does he do then? So I still think there is a. There's a. There's a world that he has the DeLorean. He's the last one seen with him and he becomes a person of interest. And then what?
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Caller
I just think. But the police still have to address the micro boss.
- [37:18]
Dave Maloney
You. You are so.
- [37:19]
Caller
No, but they have to know there's a dead. All right. We do have this kid who. Who obviously is his friend. Right? You always look at people. It's always the ones you know, right. So he's obviously a person of interest. But if you're doing an investigation. There's a microbus that's crashed into a photo mat. No. Like 50, 100 yards away from the murder scene. They go and check out the microbus. Even if they escape, did they escape with the rocket launcher? So there could be an empty microbus with a rocket launcher. You don't think that has something to do with that? Because he was machine gunned down. Does Marty McFly have a machine gun? Listen, and they can also. Even in 1985, they could still do the work to see if he fired the weapon, right? Forensics. They still had the forensic operation. You know, I. Listen, I'm not saying he's not going to get arrested. He's going to get.
- [38:12]
Alan Rosenberg
No, no.
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Dave Maloney
He's. They're bringing him in.
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Caller
But there's not any evidence at all to charge. But he doesn't save him.
- [38:18]
Dave Maloney
He doesn't save him if he doesn't.
- [38:20]
Caller
Get there in the letter.
- [38:20]
Dave Maloney
The whole point is if he tears up the letter, he's dead. He's dead. The Doc is dead.
- [38:27]
Caller
But here's the other thing. I'm.
- [38:29]
Dave Maloney
That's what the rewrite was that he doesn't. He tears the letter up and doesn't tape it back.
- [38:32]
Caller
But here's the thing that bothers me. He. Because he gets there late, he gets there a moment too soon. He sees Doc get shot and then he sees himself go to 1955 which.
- [38:44]
Dave Maloney
Must have been if he gets there.
- [38:45]
Caller
30 seconds before he saves Doc. But now they're both. They see each other. Right? How does that affect the space time continuum that the two Marty's are now in the same place. They're looking at each other.
- [38:59]
Dave Maloney
It's the Spider man thing.
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Caller
But. And what was his plan on saving him?
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Dave Maloney
I don't know. What was he gonna do? Jump in front of him.
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Caller
Because if he gets there 30 seconds sooner, right. He gets shot.
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Dave Maloney
Good point.
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Caller
He needed. Listen, I know he was in duress. He didn't have a lot of time. But going back 10 minutes was just foolhardy. He should have gone back an hour.
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Dave Maloney
An hour?
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Alan Rosenberg
Yeah.
- [39:19]
Dave Maloney
He could have done two deloreans.
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Caller
Really, if you really think about it, if you really, truly wanted to save him, don't. Don't give him 10 minutes. And you barely got this. So even if you went back 15, you're probably not enough time to not get shot.
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Dave Maloney
But you bring up an amazing point. He comes back to see himself, then what? Because if everything's messed up, because if he gets.
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Caller
I guess he. I guess he comes back, right?
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Dave Maloney
Yeah.
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Caller
And then he can tell. Tell the two of them, right, that we got to get this done before the terrorists come. Because Doc's gonna get shot. But he still has to let his other self go.
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Dave Maloney
What's he telling him I'm from 10 minutes from now? Like, how do you explain this?
- [39:57]
Caller
Well, they are working with a time machine, so this will all make sense to them.
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Dave Maloney
I don't know.
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Caller
They're gonna have to let McFly go. Otherwise the. The. The current one disappears, Right? Because he still has to go back to 1955 to make everything happen.
- [40:12]
Dave Maloney
No, the whole idea was going to 1955. Made.
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Caller
Also, there's just gonna be two McFly's.
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Dave Maloney
That's my point. Being back there 10 minutes is. That doesn't make sense. There's a. There's a huge hole in the story right there. Alone.
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Caller
Now, what they can do if they had the mind to think about it, because you can't have two McFlys, right? So then you dress up McFly, Marty as the Doc. The terrorists shoot him. Now you get rid of the one McFly, right? So then everything kind of goes back to normal. Now it'll be awkward to say, well, he's dead. No, he's really alive. Never happened. That. That would be easy. Harder to explain than the time travel.
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Dave Maloney
I don't know how you would. We have some other people that want to chime in on this. You want to grab some of this?
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Caller
Yes, please. Let's do it. Let's go to Rob and Nyak. You're on. Don Hahn and Rosa.
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Listener
What's up, boys? You had me cracking up, yelling at the radio. All right, I made notes. I made some notes. So, first off, in the beginning there, it seemed like Alan misremembered the crash. Don is killing me, calling him the Doc. Like I Always just picture his nickname as Doc. But calling him the Doc is killing me.
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Dave Maloney
I'm sorry. Right, right.
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Listener
The Doc is killing me. And then. I know. I know Don well enough from listening over the years to know he wants like a true life style, Die Hard style spin off movie about those terrorists, which would be interesting. And he's wondering how long the body's laying there. When they made this movie, they must have been thinking, as long as nobody does exactly what you two are doing right now, this thing holds up.
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Caller
I don't know why I was saying the Doc, but I was just trying.
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Dave Maloney
It doesn't matter.
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Caller
It's still funny.
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Dave Maloney
Like, it's just. It makes it funnier, though.
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Caller
It makes it fun.
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Dave Maloney
Russell's on the lie, probably sitting in God awful traffic. So God bless you, Russell. What do you got?
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Listener
All right, so you're missing a whole other point to this. You got to remember that Doc, at some point in his life, meet this kid Marty, who he's already met 30 years ago. And he's got to act this entire time knowing that he's got to send Marty into the future, into the past, because he's already seen him.
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Alan Rosenberg
That's right. Twist.
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Dave Maloney
Oh, my God. And also my brain. But you're right.
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Caller
The other thing that all these things are flooding to me, Russell, is that. So that's your plan? A bulletproof vest? When you knew for 30 years that you were going to get shot by terrorists? How about not making the deal with the terrorists? Find plutonium someplace else.
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Dave Maloney
Someplace else?
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Listener
How about having other people there to protect you?
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Caller
Right? I mean, what if he got shot in the face? This whole thing. Thing doesn't matter.
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Listener
Hey, I'm about to get shot. Hey, maybe I should have people protect me. No, there's a.
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Alan Rosenberg
Wear a vest.
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Caller
Yeah. I just don't know how. What Marty's plan was, if he got there.
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Dave Maloney
I love it.
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Alan Rosenberg
I love it.
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Dave Maloney
Bill.
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Alan Rosenberg
How about one more?
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Dave Maloney
Bill. In Pennsylvania. Good. Bill.
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Listener
Hey, guys. So just on hold. You guys blew my mind with all this logic. But my thought is you're not thinking fourth dimensionally. Okay, so the second Marty goes back, that timeline in 1985 doesn't exist. So the. The Libyans, they disappear. It's done. That doesn't exist. When? Mark. The whole fact that Marty returned at the same time Marty was still there, that's mind blowing, actually. I never thought about that. It didn't. It. Yeah. It didn't do Marty's. It didn't happen. So he comes back 10 minutes early and. You're right. Doc knew for the past 30 years that he was going to get shot. That other Marty wasn't there. He knew they knew it all. So that didn't exist. That. That previous timeline didn't exist. You got to think fourth dimensionally, like the Doc. Right.
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Dave Maloney
The Doc. Thank you, Bill.
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Caller
We got to revisit.
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Dave Maloney
Thank you. We got to revisit this, Don, because there's so much more to this to discuss.
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Caller
It is so good, but it is.
- [43:58]
Dave Maloney
There is. Like, I did not realize this was an onion. As as much of an onion as this is. And the more we peel, I know. The more interesting it gets.
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Caller
I feel bad we don't have Peter because this is, like, Peter's favorite movie. He must have theories about this, too. Yeah, but this is good. It's really. This is. This is great. So I don't think we put this to bed.
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Dave Maloney
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