Don Hahn (2:17)

If they gave you a seventh round pick, I think you do it well.

Peter Rosenberg (2:21)

Seventh is tough because really I know every pick is sacrosanct, but it's a seventh round pick. I still see value in Wilson being there to help the kid out, but if I can get like A third round pick.

Don Hahn (2:34)

That's the value of Russell Wilson as a backup. Because I don't see him in that. Like, he's not. That's not who he is. Right. He's there to start, he's there to play. Like, he's never really been that mentor type. It's not. He's never been known like that. He's somebody that, because of his background, experience, it's good for Dart to watch him, but not the other way around. My opinion, like, I think that's, you know, Winston is more of that, you know, the. He's the cornerman. He's good because he can back him up. But once you move to Dart, it's. That's. There's no going back. Like, that's it. The door's closed.

Peter Rosenberg (3:15)

Seven.

Don Hahn (3:15)

So Russ is. It doesn't make sense to have him. Well, we want to keep him around. I don't think Russ wants that.

Peter Rosenberg (3:20)

No, probably not.

Don Hahn (3:21)

You could trade him. You could, you could give me a 20. You can give me a 21 58th.

Peter Rosenberg (3:28)

Round pick because by then you'll probably create another round. Right?

Don Hahn (3:32)

I'll take that.

Peter Rosenberg (3:34)

Listen, I don't think it'll happen. I mean, it could. First of all, we're going to be asking the Giants to function offensively for the foreseeable future and not winning games. So a lot would have to break, but you'd have to really consider it. And if I'm Cincinnati, I mean, I got a quarterback that, you know is playing well on a lousy team and I'm going nowhere, my quarterback's likely not going to come back this season. I might be able to salvage something here and win. Right. And get. Find a way to get in the playoffs in a year in which I lose my starting quarterback. So I guess it's something that's possible. Remember, you'd have to go out and get another one. You're not going to have your quarterback room be a kid and Jameis Winston. So they'd have to get another quarterback off the scrap heap to bring him in. But that should be easy enough to find.

Don Hahn (4:13)

There's always somebody. So let me throw this at you, though.

Peter Rosenberg (4:16)

Yes.

Don Hahn (4:17)

Just because if we're talking in football, like, what did, what did last night's loss mean for Miami?

Peter Rosenberg (4:24)

Well, they hung. I can't. I don't think it was a disgraceful performance. I mean, it wasn't. It wasn't great. And obviously the roughing, the punter turned the whole game around. But it's 21. 21 right in the start of the fourth quarter and they're in Buffalo. So. And again bad teams end up.

Don Hahn (4:39)

They're going down the field. They're down. They're down 28, 21 going down the field. Right. And to it and to it throws.

Peter Rosenberg (4:45)

Like not awful how.

Don Hahn (4:48)

Like how he's not seeing it. Well, how do you see that? That. Well, again he's trying to move people. Whatever it was he looked. That's a perfect example of Tua. When he looks so good and then has a moment like that where it's a face palm. Where do you go from here? Well, they thought they had their quarterback.

Peter Rosenberg (5:05)

At the beginning they thought they did and then they don't. So. But I guess what I'm saying is we were talking about like them getting humiliated and maybe, you know, firing.

Don Hahn (5:13)

Firing coach.

Peter Rosenberg (5:14)

They're not going to do that. I thought that was a. That was an effort because again, they play that way next week they'll beat the jets by like they. If they're going to play like that in Buffalo, then they certainly can. Can win some games. That. That's an effort. That's going to win a decent amount of games to save jobs. But no, I don't think they've got a quarterback. Then you throw on top of the fact he's got the concussion history. It's tough, man. That's a, That's a. That's a tough spot. But I was pretty. I was pretty proud of the way they played considering how a mess they've been and had them on the ropes. That's why I didn't want to touch the game.

Don Hahn (5:51)

Nope.

Peter Rosenberg (5:52)

And we ended up being right not touching 11 and a half and Peter did and ended up losing out. But that game was in question, you know, deep into the game. But that's what the NFL is. There's a lot of these teams are not that far apart. But that's a mistake a bad team makes. They have a. Roughing the path. They throw the bad pick right. Like the Giants. They couldn't finish off a bad cowboy team or not a bad Cowboy team, but a bad defensive team. Because the little mistake, you know that you just can't. In winning time, you can't do it.

Don Hahn (6:23)

Well, it's a, it's. It's the pick. It's the yolo throw by Russell Wilson that just needed there.

Peter Rosenberg (6:29)

The backwards pass that loses you 14 yards on a second and three that messes up that drive. And then the Hail Mary that shouldn't even have been attempted.

Caller (6:38)

Right.

Peter Rosenberg (6:38)

In my mind that the little things that, that you just don't know how to win games. And that's what both of these teams are going to have to learn. So there's, there's functioning as a franchise and then once you get there, then you got to figure out, am I going to be able to win games? You know, so that's where, that's where these teams are at. And that's Miami for you because you're.

Don Hahn (6:58)

Going to start your first season where you are the main play by play guy. So you're calling every game, you're traveling. You're going to be so embedded in Devil's hockey like it's going to consume your life. Does that help you? Because that's coming in a week and then you're, you're in it. That the Giants could be in a, you know, another vortex of losing. And you don't really have to like you, you pay attention because it's for our show. But you know, you're not going to be as invested and, and you don't have to be. I think it'd be harder if, if like Dart's playing great and he's, it's a great story and you're like, I gotta tell you, yeah, I'm on the road. I can't. Like it'll be harder for you to keep up. It might be better. Like if they suck, it doesn't matter because you're gonna, you have the ability to lose yourself in your job. Most fans can't, but you escape.

Peter Rosenberg (7:52)

Listen, it'll be a nice healthy distraction away. I mean, it already is, right? Because camp is open. That I've been there every day and doing the work. But I'll give you, give you a quick example and then we'll get back to the calls. When the Giants played the Aaron Rodgers packers in the 2011 season in the divisional round of the playoffs, it was a rare Sunday Ranger Canadiens game in Montreal. I was calling and I'll try to find the picture and I'll tweet it out and I'll send it to you. It's a picture of me. I'm in the booth and on the, on the TV that's supposed to have the Ranger game on for highlights. I've got Giants packers on, you know, and I, I want to multitask that way. I'd rather have that. Okay, I'll make it work. As entrenched as I'm going to be on the Devils, it would be nice doing that and also having my team winning games, you know, but yeah, it's I think everybody's looking for something. We're going to have baseball here soon. Like, wake up NFL. The Mets and Yankees are in the playoffs. Guess what we're going to be talking about?

Don Hahn (8:51)

Yep.

Peter Rosenberg (8:52)

If you're not going to be winning games and then the Knicks are going to start and guess what we're going to be talking about. It'll be funny to have like the piggyback, right where, where we had Knicks to open up the baseball season and we're going to have Knicks to close the baseball season.

Don Hahn (9:04)

I start, you remember. So last October, obviously the Yankees went on their run and I was, it was my first year doing sideline for msg. So, you know, you're, you're live in a game as you were and I'm locked into the game. Right. But because the Yankees were in the World Series, I had on my iPad the game while the Knicks were playing and even had one of the security guards at the Garden. If I, you know, if I'm like doing the job like he would if something big happened. Stanton again, like, he'd yell it to me and I'd quick like look down at my, my iPad to see it. It's like that's that, that's what you want, you want to have. There's a lot going on instead of, you know, just check the jets score on a Sunday because I don't have to watch it because they're God awful again. Well, I just, we have a lot going on. Like you said it earlier, I love it. There's a lot going on. We don't have to be caught up in you if your team sucks.

Peter Rosenberg (10:01)

But I love when the fan. Because that's what's great about New York is that we can be consumed by a team's run, but the other sports going on still kind of matter. So like they'll get. Listen, if the Yankees are running to the World Series, a lot of the things going up against the World Series are going to be a distant second.

Don Hahn (10:19)

Sure.

Peter Rosenberg (10:20)

But it's not like people aren't going to go and it's not like people aren't going to care about their other team.

Don Hahn (10:24)

No. You're still getting 20,000 in a at the Garden, 20,000 at the Rock.

Peter Rosenberg (10:28)

You're still getting another great. I forget who they were playing, but you might even have been there when the Giants beat the Cowboys in 07. In the 07 playoffs Divisional Round Giants beat the Cowboys. Romo throws a pick to seal the game. It was at the half of a Nick game and Gus Johnson was doing the play by play off the jumbotron. I don't know if he got fined for it, but like coming out of the half, he was able to kind of call that interception. And the Garden still had, you know, 19,000 people in. They're all watching on the Jumbo truck. Like, like it's not like people aren't gonna go.

Don Hahn (11:02)

No, the score updates are the best part.

Peter Rosenberg (11:04)

That, that, that's cool, right?

Don Hahn (11:07)

That's part. Yes, that, that's. We remember that happened at. Didn't happen at Citi Field when they put, put a Knicks update up on Citi Field. Yeah. Oh, no, they actually put. It was a rain delay. Didn't they put a Nick Nick game up.

Peter Rosenberg (11:18)

They put it up on the. Yeah, they put it up on the jumbotron during the rain delay.

Don Hahn (11:21)

That's right.

Peter Rosenberg (11:21)

That's because that's the thing. Like, you know, we may do it occasionally in New York. Not too often, but like you see where they'll move games in other markets to not go up against the big. You know. But yeah, we. I'm still, honestly, I'm still floored. When I was doing Ranger games where the Rangers would be playing a 1 o' clock game on a Sunday, NFL Sunday, and there's not an empty seat at the guard, you know, because people care.

Don Hahn (11:47)

Yep.

Peter Rosenberg (11:47)

You know, and, and now, now it's not that big of a surprise because like how meaningful of the jets and Giants game has been at 1 o', clock, you know, so it's interesting stuff. 1-800-919377 says Muhammad in Long Island. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Mohammed?

Caller (12:04)

What's going on, guys? No, I love the show, man.

Don Hahn (12:06)

Mohammed, tell him. It's on Long island, right? You're not in Long Island.

Caller (12:11)

No. You're never in Long Island. Cut it out, man.

Peter Rosenberg (12:15)

You're in Staten Island.

Don Hahn (12:16)

Right. Because that's a borough.

Peter Rosenberg (12:17)

But you're on Long Island. And I know that if I misspoke, I apologize.

Caller (12:21)

I heard you guys speak about this a while back that, you know, Long Islanders know that you're always on Long Island.

Peter Rosenberg (12:25)

Very personal for us.

Caller (12:27)

Exactly.

Don Hahn (12:27)

Yes.

Caller (12:29)

I wanted to. With the jets, right. We're looking at two of our first round quarterbacks go on and one of them have, you know, go to the playoffs. The other one just missed the playoffs. And Geno last year, I think in like the last week of the season they got eliminated.

Peter Rosenberg (12:41)

But.

Caller (12:42)

And that, that's to me says either the people that we had here couldn't evaluate the talent or didn't know what to do as far as like X's and O's with the talent that we had. So I'm more concerned with do we have the coach instead of do we have the quarterback? Because I feel like we know what Justin Field is. If he gives us a flash, then fine. But I feel like we know what he is. I'm so I really want to ask you guys on a week to week basis what, what put a report card together for me of things I could check off to say Aaron Glenn is doing this right, this right, this wrong is he's to make me believe he's the guy. Thanks for taking my call, man.

Don Hahn (13:17)

Yeah, no, thank you. A really great question. Right. And first and foremost, like Geno Smith is a different situation. I can't blame the jets for him. You remember he had a teammate punch him in the. Punch him in the jaw. Right. Broke his nose or broke his jaw, remember, because of whatever was going on.

Peter Rosenberg (13:32)

Okay, yeah.

Don Hahn (13:33)

So he was not mature and he even admits that too. Like he needed that time as a journeyman, as a backup to kind of ref figure it out. And then he had that athlete nirvana that Rick always talks about where you know, you're physically still able to do it and now you're mentally smart and it comes together and now you become the player that, that's your potential because he's become a much different player. Sam Darnold, that was a decision they made. They had it, they came to that, that fork in the road. They had a number two pick in the draft and their choice was to reset the clock and draft a guy like Zach Wilson instead of keeping Sam Darnold, which you weren't sure yet what he was. So that was a faithful decision. But when it comes to Aaron Glenn, Don, you know, again, you and I have covered a ton of sports. So we've seen new coaches, we've seen coaches and all that stuff. So I'm curious how you would grade a coach in a week to week basis for me in your first year with a franchise that is going through, as he said, turning, turning the ship around. I think I need to see a, a weekly basis a team that is well prepared and competitive. You might not be talented enough to win some of these games. You might get exploited in areas where you aren't good. Like again in secondary you have sauce, but you know, Steven's not very good and Michael Carter is really not a, a corner. He's more of a nickel. So they might get exploited defensively in the Secondary. Just because Sauce can't guard everybody, I can't. There's nothing you can do about that. As a coach you do your best, but if they're competitive, like last week, you weren't competitive and that bothers me. So that's what I want to see right now. It's the small things. Disciplined, competitive, good game plan in place and you just get out talented when you lose. I can accept that in the first year. Those are the boxes that I would want checked. What about you?

Peter Rosenberg (15:30)

Discipline, cut down on the penalties, the mental errors that cost you the win. So that kind of falls into the competitive category. But it's one thing to not be talented enough, but don't be your worst enemy. Don't beat yourself, Play a clean game. That would be number one. Then I would like to see when they're competitive, are you making the right decisions? You know, how is your team, how's your team adjusting coming out of the half?

Don Hahn (15:55)

Yes.

Peter Rosenberg (15:56)

Third quarter, how, how the decisions you make. Do we go up for it on fourth down? Do we kick the field goal? Little things like that that are, I want to be able to say, listen, they didn't lose because of the coach. That's what I want to see. Because he's in his infancy, he's been in an assistant, he's never been a head coach. So these are the little things. Eventually we'll get to a point where we don't have to grade him that way. But that's what I want to see. I don't want to see them lose the game because of a dumb, a dumb roughing the pass or a procedure penalty that that costs them or we're sitting there going, why did Glenn do that? That was a, that was ridiculous. Why didn't he take the points? Why did he go forward on fourth? Those are the things that I look at. Because that's what's been killing the jets for years.

Don Hahn (16:35)

Isn't that Dan Campbell in that second year when towards the end of that season they just, it started to turn and you could see that they were real hard nosed, competitive team and you know, golf was really starting to, to click with, with Ben Johnson. Like, like, you know, like that's what, that's what you're looking for. Something tangible that tells you it's not all there yet. But I can see it, I could start to see it. And with Glenn, that's, you know, that's what you're looking for. And that's why I look at this game as if this is a very important game. For him because week two was embarrassing. So I want to see how's your team responding against a very good, very competitive Bucs team that has a lot of confidence but does have some injuries, has issues with their offensive line, Things you can exploit, too. So this is a very big coaching game for Aaron Glenn early in his career.

Peter Rosenberg (17:24)

Yeah. So those are the things that I look for. And just. And you'll know it, if we come on the air and we say the jets lost that game because of Glenn, that's a problem.

Don Hahn (17:32)

Yeah, I agree.

Peter Rosenberg (17:33)

If they lost that game because of a lack of talent, hey, that's. That's not Glenn's fault. Or they lost that game because the Bucks are just better. Yeah, that's a different story. And that's. That's what you need to see more often than not with a young coach. Let's go to Reggie and Hoboken. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Reg?

Caller (17:49)

What's up, fellas? First time caller. I'm a big fan of you guys.

Don Hahn (17:53)

Thanks, Reggie.

Caller (17:53)

I got two questions. One, football, one baseball. My baseball question is, if the Mets decide to throw the young kids in the postseason and they are somehow successful, meaning they go at least to the nlcs, how big would that be for baseball? And my football question is, if the Cowboys get overshone and blame back, will their defense improve?

Don Hahn (18:19)

Well, the second question is easy to answer. Yes. Yes, their defense will improve exponentially, especially with Bland. They missed him dearly against the. Against the Giants.

Peter Rosenberg (18:31)

Yeah, for sure.

Don Hahn (18:32)

You know, again, Diggs. Diggs was just coming back from injury. He wasn't going to play every snap, and whoever else they were throwing out there was just getting roasted. Yeah, but so, yes, getting Bland back is.

Peter Rosenberg (18:42)

But they don't get much of a pass rush, you know. You know, certainly since the trade. And that's something that's different. Like the Chiefs are not going to have that great of a secondary, but they're going to get a rush. You know, Wilson's going to have to get rid of the ball a lot quicker. Jones going to get in that backfield. So can't see a little bit different than Dallas. But as far as Allen's been saying it about the Mets, the one silver lining and what could be a very disappointing end to the season is that it looks like they've got three kid pitchers that you can legitimately get excited about. You know, Generation K was, in theory, you know, these three have gone out there and have pitched and pitched in September and pitched in big games. So if they go into the playoffs, win or lose, you're going to have that. Now, if the Mets make a run because of them, Alan. Oh, it's going to be through the roof. It's going to be nuts next year.

Don Hahn (19:27)

That's the next big story.

Peter Rosenberg (19:28)

Having that. But that's a lot. That's a lot to ask.

Don Hahn (19:31)

What'd you, what would you call? Well, you got Generation K. That didn't turn into anything. No, right. Like, there's always, there's always something. There's a phrase, you know, there's always something like that. If these three guys all of a sudden become, you know, again, what he's suggesting you get a little run going here. Don't you have to give them, like a little nickname? Little something.

Peter Rosenberg (19:57)

Oh, they should. That's what New York's about, right? From going, like, to the gag line to Big Blue wrecking career, like. But what would.

Don Hahn (20:05)

What do you think? Can we get creative? Generation K was really good. It's just too bad it never really materialized.

Peter Rosenberg (20:12)

Too bad his name's Tong and not Zhang. Because then you'd have MSG, right? You'd have McLean Sproat, and now you have Tong, so.

Don Hahn (20:22)

Well, you want his name to be Gong.

Peter Rosenberg (20:23)

Yeah, Right, Right.

Don Hahn (20:25)

That's right.

Peter Rosenberg (20:26)

So that's, you know, that was unfortunate, but if we could come up with, like, MST isn't good enough. Gotta be something with the names, right?

Don Hahn (20:37)

No, no. Yeah. I, I, that.

Peter Rosenberg (20:41)

I can't believe you just.

Don Hahn (20:42)

That was great. I don't know. I don't know. Like, there's always some. What is it? I mean, you know, somebody's gonna say cardiac kids, which is annoying.

Peter Rosenberg (20:51)

No, that's, that's.

Don Hahn (20:52)

But I don't know, we can leave it open. Something has to happen first. But fans are very creative with this stuff.

Peter Rosenberg (20:58)

No, they are. And they. They for sure.

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And it is driven by Ramsey Mazda. Ladies and gentlemen, the first time here on a Friday, we welcome in Peter Rosenberg.

Don Hahn (23:12)

There he is.

Alan Hahn (23:13)

What's why.

Peter Rosenberg (23:15)

You know Marco's in the kitchen right now listening to it? Oh, yeah, because he loves that he's on the air and he wants another attempt at it. Because that was several months ago. He thinks he can say it better.

Alan Hahn (23:26)

Did you. Did you explain that that would make it a less fun drop to play?

Don Hahn (23:30)

Yes.

Alan Hahn (23:31)

Anybody Better he does it, the worse the drop. That's the problem. They're conversely related. And also, it's unfortunate, that was the number one intro up until two weeks ago when that guy Thursday debuted. What is flawless. That's right.

Don Hahn (23:45)

It's too perfect to replace.

Alan Hahn (23:48)

One day he'll understand. It's.

Don Hahn (23:49)

Yeah, he'll get it. Peter, saw you on Sportscenter. Fantastic spot.

Peter Rosenberg (23:54)

Thank you.

Don Hahn (23:55)

Just need to know why we went without a tie.

Alan Hahn (24:01)

Everyone's vibe today from the powers of B at ESPN was like, it's not meant to be. It's the day before the event. We're outside. It's low key. It's 85 degrees. It felt like Tyrese Halliburton's wearing a zip up jacket.

Don Hahn (24:15)

Notice that?

Alan Hahn (24:16)

It felt like I come in. I. I asked everybody. No, everybody was going to be less dressed than me.

Don Hahn (24:21)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (24:21)

So me coming in with the complete button, like, I'll have a tie tomorrow. It just felt like it would have been one notch too aggressive.

Don Hahn (24:28)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (24:28)

For what everyone else was doing.

Don Hahn (24:29)

So for the 6 o', clock, can I give one recommendation?

Alan Hahn (24:32)

You want tie?

Don Hahn (24:33)

No. Okay, one more button.

Alan Hahn (24:36)

There's no more open.

Don Hahn (24:37)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (24:37)

Oh, come on.

Don Hahn (24:39)

One more. Just one more. There you go. I like it. No, you don't. Yeah, you didn't have. You don't have to pull it open. Just a little less. Well, I mean, now you want me.

Alan Hahn (24:49)

To go RJ like this?

Don Hahn (24:51)

Well, yeah. Dare you to do it. Yeah.

Alan Hahn (24:55)

No, I don't like it.

Don Hahn (24:55)

Just a little more cash.

Alan Hahn (24:57)

I would sooner go all the way.

Don Hahn (25:00)

It's not. Not like. And it. This is not about you. It's more about what it look like. You look like an IBM worker on lunch break. Like you don't want. You have the white shirt on, but it's buttoned too high. It doesn't seem enough for that kind of a mode. I'm just saying that's what I'm throwing, by the way.

Alan Hahn (25:17)

You're not wrong. You're not wrong. And for the record, I just have to be honest with you. I'm not a fan of the. The no tie look. I. I prefer the tie look. I just felt like it would have been aggressive so I ended up in the mushy middle. I hear again.

Don Hahn (25:30)

I get it.

Alan Hahn (25:31)

See, then I look.

Don Hahn (25:32)

No such thing as overdressed in my opinion in certain situations.

Alan Hahn (25:34)

I do agree with that. That as well.

Don Hahn (25:36)

But if you want a little cash, just, just again, just open it up a little. Not crazy. Not Richard Jefferson. Just a little bit. All right, this is a good.

Alan Hahn (25:45)

I'm gonna, I'm gonna produce some thinking about this because I still have a. I still have the 6 o' clock L. Duncan hit.

Peter Rosenberg (25:50)

Yeah, don't go. 1977. Ro.

Caller (25:53)

Dougay, take it off.

Peter Rosenberg (25:55)

Take it all off. You know you're not trying to get into Studio 54 in the 70s, right?

Don Hahn (26:00)

Why don't you take the collar and put it out over the suit, Jack, if you really want to go.

Peter Rosenberg (26:04)

By the way, speaking of that guy.

Alan Hahn (26:07)

Did you guys see Cam Newton today?

Peter Rosenberg (26:09)

Oh my God.

Alan Hahn (26:10)

The tie was. I don't even know it's a tie. I don't know. I don't know what.

Peter Rosenberg (26:13)

It was like a nest on his hat. I. I look away. I had to look away.

Alan Hahn (26:17)

And then it looks like a scarf as its item. Welcome to fraud Alert, everyone. Let's get right to the emails. Here we go. Christopher says, I played high school football in North Jersey for a Catholic school team. Now I have Zero affiliation to any college football team. Let's just make that note. Anyways, the team I played for had the same team colors as Notre Dame. Same color helmets and jerseys. We even had the same fight songs. Notre Dame never really was into college football, and this was way back in 2004. I decided to get into college football around then, and I chose Notre Dame because of the jerseys and the fight song. We used it in school. Is that a fraudulent way of becoming a fan of a school? Since I don't have any other connects to a college. P.S. go Devils.

Peter Rosenberg (27:03)

Other than the fact of rooting for a college you didn't go to. It's just my thing. But a lot of people do it. There's no fraud there. He wasn't a collection college football fan. You fall in love how you fall in love, you become a fan. However, you become a fan whenever you become a fan. There's nothing fraudulent about that. Now, he's got to stick with it, but I got no issue with that at all. No fraud.

Alan Hahn (27:26)

Yeah, I just love how reasonable you are, you know, that's the thing I enjoy. Here we go. Giovanni writes us. Says this JP from Queens. Oh, sorry, it's not Giovanni. Maybe they're using someone's email address. Anyways, JP Says I'm a lifelong die hard Mets fan. I literally have not missed an inning in close to a decade.

Peter Rosenberg (27:45)

Virgin.

Alan Hahn (27:48)

It's not nice. But. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on. This is gonna. This could set Alan. This could set Don off. Get ready.

Don Hahn (27:56)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (27:57)

Literally have not missed an inning close to a decade. Including the day my wife gave birth to our firstborn.

Peter Rosenberg (28:05)

Well, it might have been in the room just as a distraction.

Alan Hahn (28:08)

Right before the baby was born.

Don Hahn (28:10)

In the morning.

Alan Hahn (28:11)

Yeah, exactly. That's what. Yeah, exactly. They were sitting up at night, doing nothing, waiting. So, yeah, who knows?

Peter Rosenberg (28:15)

Yeah, but if he's in, like, if he's in the lobby and the doctors are saying your wife's giving birth, he's like, wait, it's three, two. Cross your legs, honey. Let's get out of this inning. And he's a bad guy.

Don Hahn (28:25)

Hang on to groms on the mount. Hang on.

Alan Hahn (28:29)

I don't. Mr. Grom starts. All right, here we go. I went to school in Baltimore, Boston, and ran a few marathons. So I always love the Red Sox City Connect jersey honoring the Boston Marathon.

Peter Rosenberg (28:38)

Everybody universally hates that uniform.

Alan Hahn (28:41)

I'm already out. I don't understand. By the way, fashion alert Friday. I resisted buying any of the apparel, but when Devers was traded, his jersey went on sale for 30 bucks when I already had a $25 Fanatics gift card. Am I a fraud that I bought another team's jersey? Of note, there are no names on the back of the jersey, so it's just the number 11.

Peter Rosenberg (29:11)

Thanks JP I have rules for jersey purchasing. It is not fraudulent to buy a jersey of another team that's not a rival. So that means you don't buy in your division. So as a Met fan, you don't buy a Philly jersey or a Marlin jersey or a Brave jersey or a national jersey. But if you want to root for, if you want to buy a jersey because you like it and it's in another league and there's no rivalry, got no problem with that. I mean, I grew up a Devil fan. I got a Trevor Linden jersey hanging in my man cave.

Alan Hahn (29:44)

There you go.

Peter Rosenberg (29:44)

Because I love the Canuck jersey. I always thought it was a sharp looking jersey. I have zero issue with that.

Alan Hahn (29:51)

Wow.

Peter Rosenberg (29:52)

No fraud.

Alan Hahn (29:53)

Wow. I didn't know which one.

Don Hahn (29:54)

Now do you have issue with buy like buying an ugly jersey?

Alan Hahn (29:57)

Yeah. What about that taste?

Peter Rosenberg (30:00)

That is going to be something we're going to do. We're going to. We're going to toy with maybe changing it up down the road where it's Fashion Alert Friday. That's because I think that is a disgusting looking jerk. And I understand it's honor. I get it. All right. I understand it. It doesn't make it any less ugly.

Don Hahn (30:14)

Right? Have you seen the Green Monster jersey?

Alan Hahn (30:18)

This is a long one, but it looks good.

Peter Rosenberg (30:21)

Okay.

Alan Hahn (30:22)

All right. John from Glen Rock says may it please the court to determine if this is fraudulent behavior.

Don Hahn (30:27)

All right.

Alan Hahn (30:27)

The Giants are my favorite team from all sports, but I'm a collector of all sorts of jerseys of all sports. I remember discussion on fraud Friday in June concerning wearing enemy gear. So I need help on this one. In the fall of 1995, I dated a girl who was a casual cowboy fan. Of course, they were on top of the world at that time. We got serious and eventually got engaged. During that time, I bought her a personalized cowboy jersey. But more importantly, she noticed my love for jerseys and sportswear. And together we bought an Apex cowboy jacket for $29.99 at Marshalls to wear. Blue is my favorite color and I wore it despite hating the Cowboys. That's already such a tough look line. I though I respected Aikman and Emmett Smith. It's getting worse and I wanted to please her. Of course the Cowboys won the super bowl that year. Eventually I broke the engagement. She was not the right person for me, and I married a wonderful lady a year later. Yeah. By the way, marriage fraud over time. Over time. I began right through that.

Don Hahn (31:28)

You know, she wasn't the right one, but we bought wives. Later, we bought an apex Dallas Cowboys from. From where? Marshalls.

Caller (31:38)

Right.

Peter Rosenberg (31:38)

They didn't buy a car together or a house. They bought a jacket together.

Alan Hahn (31:42)

Over time, I began noticing the decline of the Cowboys. And while wearing that jacket, occasionally they face great challenges, as we know. I became convinced that my wearing and keeping the jacket continues the curse to this day. All of my friends are aware of it, even students in my class that I teach in middle school and high school. I vowed to keep the jacket until they won the super bowl, which then I would burn it due to the curse being over. When every season ends and the Cowboys are eliminated, I send a picture of the jacket pictured below on social media to remind everyone of the power of the jacket. By the way, I'm starting to turn on this. I have had Cowboys fans offer to buy the jacket from me, but I've refused. I worry it might end the curse. My wife has even told me to throw it away because of how old and dare damaged it looks. But I've had to convince her of this curse being intact 30 years later. Question 1. Am I a fraud for wearing and keeping a Cowboys jacket as a Giant fan? If I believe it's the reason for the Cowboys suffering all these years? As an addendum which may influence your verdict, here's another issue which also affects my superstitiousness. In 2011, I was in a store and saw a Giants jacket. It was December. They were 77 at the time. I planned to wear it when they won more, but then they made their run to their last championship, and I wore it proudly. I still have this jacket, too, and I am now concerned that I have placed a curse on my own team and that I'm the reason for their misery since it worked so well for the Cowboys. Question what should I do with this jacket and if I were to get rid of it, am I a fraud Giants fan by keeping the jacket, the Cowboy jacket to continue the curse? Your Honor, I await your verdict and will accept your consequences.

Peter Rosenberg (33:19)

All right, forget about the the Fluky curse thing stuff, all right? He didn't curse the Giants. The Giants curse themselves. Okay, so wear the jacket. Do whatever you want with. He pivoted to this really classic story. He bought the jersey that made him the fraud right there. He'd like the color blue. He bought A jacket with his. With his now ex fiance. But how is you, as a Giant fan, buy a cowboy jacket and he originally wore because he thought it looked sharp. Then he started they lose. And then I think he started to pivot to, hey, look at this jacket. I'm using it to curse the Cowboys. That's not why he bought it. If he bought it to curse the Cowboys, then I probably would say no fraud, because at least his motivation would have been to benefit the Giants. It was only after he bought it under fraudulent circumstances. Circumstances that he then pivoted to this whole curse thing. So fraud.

Don Hahn (34:17)

That's a brilliant call. Brilliant call by you, Don.

Alan Hahn (34:21)

So he's gonna have to accept the consequence. So you think he should just get rid of the jacket and keep it moving?

Peter Rosenberg (34:26)

Yeah.

Don Hahn (34:26)

Well, you're saying that it all started like. Like the way this started wasn't genuine?

Peter Rosenberg (34:33)

No, he didn't.

Don Hahn (34:33)

Then he turned it to favor himself for having it and.

Peter Rosenberg (34:37)

Yeah, listen, I don't know. He's not a fraud.

Don Hahn (34:38)

He's a narcissist, by the way, because he feels like he has these powers over both teams.

Peter Rosenberg (34:42)

Right, Peter, turn Back to page 15 of the email. When he said that he bought the jacket with his girlfriend because he thought that it looked sharp and it was the color. But he didn't say, let's curse the Cowboys and buy this jacket. He bought a cowboy jacket because he.

Alan Hahn (34:56)

Thought it looked cool.

Peter Rosenberg (34:57)

And again, it was the. What was the phrase I used a couple of weeks ago? The zipper thing was. I forget now. It was so brilliant. I forgot it. A zipper key. He used it as a zipper key. Right, that nothing to do with any curses. Then he figured, I have this and they're not winning, so maybe I'm cursing them. And now I'll pivot to that fraud.

Don Hahn (35:15)

Interesting too, that he liked that shade of blue when the Giants are also blue.

Alan Hahn (35:20)

Yeah, that's an interesting thing. You know what, listen, I thought it was a very interesting story and I do believe in the random, not. I don't believe in it, but the OCD makes me sometimes observe superstitiousness, so I respect it. But I hear Don's point that it was really superstitiousness out of convenience. Yes, yes, That's a great. That's a great call. Now let's. Let's keep going with the theme of the day. One more same thing. Judge Don, what are the fraud rules on wearing another team's gear?

Don Hahn (35:48)

Oh, boy.

Alan Hahn (35:48)

I'm a die hard Yankee fan, born and raised on Long Island. I've been a die hard fan my entire life. I moved to to Northern Virginia after college. I maintain my die hard Yankee fandom, but being just outside of the Capitol, I go to a Nats game usually once a year. I wear Nats gear when I go and I root for them. Except if I am there while they're playing the Yankees, which in that case I hope the Nats lose in blowout fashion. I liked the Gnats before I moved here as I enjoyed watching a young Straussberg and Harper while in college. This is only a baseball thing as they are not division rivals such as the Caps, who are rivals with the Rangers. And I never do this for any other stadium I go to. I consider this absolutely no fraud. But something you said last week made me think you feel differently. So in your opinion? Fraud.

Peter Rosenberg (36:32)

All right. No fraud. A little odd that he's wearing the jersey and rooting for the Nationals. It's a little much, but whatever. Whatever floats your boat. Again, rule. I'm going to repeat the rule, but I'll be specific to Yankees. If you're a Yankee fan. No Blue Jays, no Red Sox, no Orioles. And who am I forgetting?

Don Hahn (36:51)

Dodgers.

Peter Rosenberg (36:53)

No Dodgers. Nobody in the division. No Dodgers. No Astros.

Don Hahn (36:57)

No Astros.

Alan Hahn (36:58)

No Roger. No rerun. No Rent.

Peter Rosenberg (37:01)

I would say that's probably missing anybody Allen.

Don Hahn (37:05)

I mean Dodgers.

Peter Rosenberg (37:06)

Because of the history.

Don Hahn (37:07)

I think that covers it.

Peter Rosenberg (37:09)

I think Dodgers, Astros.

Don Hahn (37:10)

Outside of the razor in the division. You got to include that raise.

Peter Rosenberg (37:13)

I forgot nobody in the division. No Astros. No Dodgers, no Mets.

Don Hahn (37:20)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (37:21)

So those. Those are the jerseys you're not. You would make you a fraud if you bought.

Don Hahn (37:25)

Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (37:25)

So Nationals are okay.

Don Hahn (37:26)

I think that's a fair. That's a fair collection of teams that. That are banned from you.

Alan Hahn (37:31)

Yeah. Here's the one thing I would say, and this is super nuanced and Don may dump on this, but I think it's a nuanced point that makes sense. I think all of it's good. And I relate to this goat. Living in a different city. And it's fun to go to a game and root for a team in the city. And. And by the way, you end up feeling an allegiance to the team in the city you've lived in for years and years and years. It's just how it happens. I think T shirt. I think T shirt over jersey. I think jersey is what makes it like, I'm a fan of this team. Whereas, like they gave out a Yankee shirt at a Yankee game and your wife's a big Yankee fan. So when you go, you throw on the T shirt you have and you clap. The jersey to me is a little too far.

Peter Rosenberg (38:11)

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Alan Hahn (42:17)

Oh, yeah, I've seen it.

Peter Rosenberg (42:19)

Now, the reason I had that hat was because they. They just came into the league and I thought it was gorgeous because I love Teal because you guys know how I feel about the San Jose Shark.

Don Hahn (42:28)

Jerry.

Peter Rosenberg (42:28)

Yep. So I got the hat because I thought it looked cool. And listen, they were an expansion team, and at that time, I hadn't completely formulated all my rules for being a fraud. It was 32 years ago.

Alan Hahn (42:39)

That's a long time ago.

Peter Rosenberg (42:41)

Now, obviously, that hat's long gone. I would never even touch it now because the Marlins kill the Mets in every big spot. And by the way, they're closing out the season with The Marlins in Miami for three. That still might end up costing the Mets a chance to go to the playoffs. Can't stand the team, but somebody will find the picture, put it up on social media. Don's a fraud. So where was that? I don't even know where it is anymore. I'm not big on throwing stuff out.

Don Hahn (43:09)

That's a problem.

Peter Rosenberg (43:10)

Well, you know, like is it.

Alan Hahn (43:12)

I still paid for it.

Peter Rosenberg (43:13)

I relate. You know, it's still somewhere. I'm not a hoarder, but I don't know where. I'm close.

Alan Hahn (43:18)

I walk the line of hoarder.

Peter Rosenberg (43:19)

It's probably gone, but. But you. I have not worn that hat literally in 32 years because it's like I had it look cool and then it just. Then they became a rival and all that. So I. I did break my own rule before. I actually formulated the rule before I even. Yeah, you know, fraud became a thing. So if you want to kill me for it, kill me for it.

Don Hahn (43:40)

Do you think maybe this hat is the cause of the curse and that you need to destroy the hat?

Peter Rosenberg (43:44)

It might be lifted. It might be, but it was again expansion team was teals. Really nice looking.

Alan Hahn (43:49)

Listen, I. I don't. I don't want to get into a whole thing because. Because honestly, if. If you missed the time. The San Jose Sharks time was a time. I mean everyone.

Don Hahn (43:56)

It was a time.

Alan Hahn (43:58)

By the way, throw Raiders in. Throw. Honestly, even the Earl Tampa Bay Lightning was even in Orlando Magic or the expansion stuff was big. Okay.

Don Hahn (44:07)

Yes.

Alan Hahn (44:08)

On the LA Kings was a monster dude.

Don Hahn (44:10)

I saw yesterday they went to black. Yes.

Alan Hahn (44:12)

Yeah, I saw yesterday one of the vintage sites I follow posted a Raiders like pullover. Like I have a Penguins one. The starter pullover. Literally I was tempted to get it now. I was like, oh man, a Raiders pullover. That's hard. It's built into us. At that time some of those teams were just seen not as having to do anything with fanship but just about cool sports related gear. The one Don picture Alan that I don't again. I could see this going left and I don't want to. It's a big day for me. I don't want to have a big fight. I'm dealing my button. I still think the Red Sox photo is tough for Don and I know he says it means nothing and the timing makes sense. He loved the style of hat, but I don't know, it always did. There was a feeling that I had about the Red Sox hat that I.

Peter Rosenberg (44:57)

Thought was odd but doesn't break my Rule, though.

Alan Hahn (44:59)

It doesn't. It doesn't. What year were you wearing the hat again?

Peter Rosenberg (45:02)

97.

Alan Hahn (45:05)

I guess. So much time has passed and you beat them.

Peter Rosenberg (45:08)

So.

Alan Hahn (45:08)

I mean, I hear you. What do you think, Al? Does it bother you at all?

Peter Rosenberg (45:12)

It was the. I don't know if we. You saw it. I was in LA. It was that 75 Red Sox hat. The Red hat.

Don Hahn (45:19)

I'm aware. Are you.

Alan Hahn (45:20)

Strempsky hat.

Don Hahn (45:20)

But your. Your reasoning is, is that you beat them in the World Series. They're. They're not a rival of yours. No.

Peter Rosenberg (45:29)

And they're a rival of a team I didn't like in the Yankees.

Don Hahn (45:31)

It would be as if I put on a Phillies hat because I just like that red. And we beat them in the World Series. I don't care.

Peter Rosenberg (45:39)

Exactly the same.

Don Hahn (45:41)

It's literally the same.

Alan Hahn (45:43)

Yeah, I know. I guess I. You know what it is? It's at my childhood brain because I didn't understand rivalries yet. Like the Red Sox and Mets were such a thing. Because the 86 World Series is one of the biggest first sports events. I remember. Like, my whole family was watching it. My. The same family friends who made me a Celtics fan that they. I. They were huge Red Sox fans. The Red Sox were on in my house all the time. It just feels like a big deal. But I think you're right. I think it's fine.

Don Hahn (46:08)

You know, Don, you don't have the New York Boston thing like everybody else does.

Peter Rosenberg (46:12)

No, because you don't.

Don Hahn (46:13)

Again, Giants beat the Patriots twice. You care, and you're not really a basketball guy. Like, you don't love basketball. So, like, the Celtics thing doesn't mean anything to you? Bruins, I mean, not really.

Peter Rosenberg (46:26)

The Devils beat him in 94. They beat him in 95.

Don Hahn (46:28)

Yeah, but there's like, it's not like. That's not a thing. So you don't really have the New York Boston hatred.

Peter Rosenberg (46:35)

No, I got nothing.

Don Hahn (46:36)

Yours is more Philly.

Peter Rosenberg (46:37)

That's why I thought one of the biggest flaws in Entourage was that episode where Turtle refused to play golf with Tom Brady because he hated the Patriots because he was a Giant fan. That made no sense.

Don Hahn (46:47)

Made no sense. Yeah.

Peter Rosenberg (46:48)

You beat him twice in the Super. Why would you hate Tom Brady in the Jet fan. Then it would made sense.

Don Hahn (46:52)

Yeah, but you'd love to play golf with Tom Brady because you're like, I'll beat you again.

Peter Rosenberg (46:57)

Yeah, I really. I didn't have any problem with it.

Don Hahn (47:00)

I get that. Yeah. I understand it. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

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