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Don Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
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Don Hahn
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Peter Rosenberg
This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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Don Hahn
That sounds like heaven to me. Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3.
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Peter Rosenberg
On 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New.
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Don Hahn
York app and your smart speakers. Game time is brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, all right, it was fun while it lasted. It's game time. Yankees host the Phillies for the start of a three game series at 7:05 and the Mets will visit the Giants with coverage following Pat O' Keefe right here on 880 at 9:30. Tullimore Dew, the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cask matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew Honey during today's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly. Just want to correct my I said Ron Washington won a World Series. He went to a couple of World Series. Didn't win either one in 2010 and 2011, but did go to the World Series with the Texas Rangers and now managing the Angels. So the Mets and the Yankees make deals and the Yankees and the Mets preview is driven by Ramsey Mazda. So the Yankees start a series with the Phillies tonight and the Met fans should be rooting for the Yankees, right? Because you're trying to catch the Phillies for first place in the National League east and oh, no doubt. Yeah, no, it's, it's tough to do, I'll admit that. But you got to do it.
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Peter Rosenberg
What's, what's more important to the Mets right now? The Mets fan, you got to it's a division, right? That's the number one priority.
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Don Hahn
Got to try both these teams have to try to win the division and.
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Peter Rosenberg
For three days you got to root for the Yankees. It's not the end of the world.
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Don Hahn
Ryan McMahon comes over in a deal with the Rockies. So the Yankees have their third baseman and the Mets they pick up a reliever in Gregory Soto. So he comes over. Mets are going to be in San Francisco to take on the Giants later on tonight. As we mentioned before, the Yankees Mets preview is brought to you by or driven by Ramsey Mazda. It's the experience of driving a new Mazda and buying a new Mazda from Ramsey Mazda. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Before we go to Florida. Fraud alert. Friday at 4:30. Let's get back to the busy phone calls at 1-800-919-3776. Let's go to Rich. He's down in South Florida. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Rich?
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Caller
Hey, gentlemen. I had only one point when I got on the phone, but I've got about three now. But I'll just stick to the main point before going to. Where you going? As long as you let me go. I jumped on board when the caller, either the caller or Don, mentioned that Scott Brocius was a deadline acquisition.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, it was during the office. It was the off season of not going into 98. Right.
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Caller
They traded him. It was the player to be named later. They just wanted to get rid of Kenny Rogers, so they traded Kenny Rogers to Oakland for the player to be named later, eventually being Scott Brocius.
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Don Hahn
That's a nice player to be named later, I'll tell you that.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
Wow.
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Peter Rosenberg
I didn't even remember that. It's true.
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Caller
It's 300, 398. Rei's batting ninth and as you said, Don won the World Series MVP. So I don't think I'm much better than that. I'll take McMahon at third base because of his defense. Suarez, you know, you're not trading a top guy for a three month rental. And I think the only scenario that you can, I think Lombard's off the table because if they trade him, then they got nowhere to go if they decide to give up on Volpe. But I think if they, if you get a package, a solid package back with a starter, a reliever or two, and, or perhaps, you know, another solid middle infielder along with a starter, then maybe you consider it. But right now, you know, there's nobody looking to give the Yankees any discount. So what they did today, hey, you know, they've got guys in that rotation, that own pitch to contact left and right, and they need solid defense at third base. And ever since Cabrera went down, boy, that defense has bitten them hard and that.
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Don Hahn
And that's what really showed, Rich. And thank you for the phone call against Toronto. Toronto doesn't strike out, so they put the ball in play. You put the ball in play, you make errors, you extend innings, and Toronto's just a good enough offense to take advantage of it, just like every playoff team you're going to face. That's what we talk about, being a contender. If you're kicking the ball around and giving good teams four outs, five outs instead of three, they're going to take advantage of it. So the Dodgers did, right, Jordan, I mean it just 100%.
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Peter Rosenberg
And you can't do that against good teams. They'll take advantage of it.
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Don Hahn
And listen, one player, you know, replacing McMahon, listen, McMahon's not going to improve the defense because Perazza is a good defender, too, but you're hoping he's going to have a little bit more pop so that you're not sacrificing offense to making sure you've got good defense.
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Peter Rosenberg
You can't have zero homers and one RBI since.
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Don Hahn
Right. That's the thing.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yeah. I think he brought up a good point, though, by the way, about the. When you're talking about the third base and they had Cabrera, like, this is. This just shows you how badly they misjudged the situation from the start. Like, if you had Cabrera as your, you know, backup option, then you would be. You wouldn't have been in this situation. You would have been able to sustain a loss, right? Like, but instead, now the. Cabrera got hurt and you left yourself with absolutely nothing. Like, literally zero. You left yourself with one RBI in basically 20 days. Don. Zero, 128, like, nothing. You were basically forfeiting the position at the, at the bat, at the plate. Whereas if you, if you plan correctly going into. See, look, we all knew they needed a third baseman, right? We set it all off season, right? If they had a third baseman and you had comprehensive contingency plan, which is basically what he should be, then they would have been fine and be able to be able to like, hold themselves over in the meantime.
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Don Hahn
Cabrera wasn't a great bad either, but he was better than what they had.
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Peter Rosenberg
He's a serviceable, right, but he's a guy you can get by with as your starter, right? He's, he's like that level kind of player for a little bit, for maybe, maybe not for 162 games, which even shows you how more flawed the that line of thinking was.
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Don Hahn
And let's go to Bobby and Belmore. You're on espn, New York.
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Caller
Yes. Yes. Hi, guys. Listen, I understand it's an upgrade defensively and you know that a little Perazer hitting wise also, you know, but I'm looking at his numbers. It's like having the shortstop again. I mean,217, he's a little popping his bat, like 16 home runs. It sounds like the shortstop. And, you know, maybe he'll come over the Yankees and, you know, get some juices for maybe a little bit better. But I'll see if this could, you know, you hit.189 on the road. It's a boombox in Koi's field. So I don't, you know, I don't think it's, you know, we'll see what happens, but I don't know if it's such an upgrade. I know he was an all Star.
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Don Hahn
Here's.
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Peter Rosenberg
Here's what I'm willing to say. Like, I'm willing to discount his numbers this year and look more at his career numbers, at least, because they're so. So incredibly bad. Right. That I'm willing to say, okay, he's a.240 career hitter. Like, he's more likely to be in the.240 range than the.217 range that he was this year. A.323 on base percentage.743. Second, he's 717 this year. Like, I think we should look, at least given the benefit of the doubt and look more at his career numbers than this season specifically.
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Don Hahn
But you said it earlier in the show, all right, 217, that's still 100 points higher than anybody was, you know, playing third base outside of Jazz. Right? Home runs, 0 to now 16. He's lefty, so he could take advantage of the short porch. It's not Suarez offensively, but he's not Suarez defensively. That's the good news. All right, so that just shows you how bad the lack of production they were getting at a third base. Now he's going to have to do better than what he's doing so far because, you know, the caller's right, shortstop, you're not getting that. A ton of production there, you know, so you can't have the whole left side of your infield being Punch and Judy hitters. That's not going to work. So you're going to. You're going to have to hope that he hits for a little bit of a higher average. They hit so, you know, consistently hits the home runs that are going to be needed and gives you a lot more than what he's given you so far in Colorado. That's going to be the hope. Suarez would have been better, but you would have taken a step back. Defensively, they can't afford it.
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Peter Rosenberg
I agree. I don't think they could afford to. I think for them, this is probably the better move. A little cheaper on the price. Right. And a player who doesn't add to their weakness already. Right. They couldn't get any worse defensively, they're already, you know, you're already concerned about them defensively in the playoffs. So I think for them, this is the Right move. Even though he's probably not the better. All, like, if you just say, here, here's two guys, you're starting a team, which guy would you want? I think I'd, I'd want Suarez.
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Caller
Right.
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Peter Rosenberg
Yanio Suarez has a trait that very few guys have. He's going to hit 40 plus home runs this year. And so there's not a lot of, a lot of guys that do that, but for who they are. And we're talking about yesterday, we were, you know, complaining about the composition of this team. I think this is the right move for them. I really do.
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Don Hahn
Let's go to Rob and Nyack. You're on. Don Hanna, Rosenberg.
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Caller
What's up, guys? Shout out to all the homies in traffic right now.
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Don Hahn
A lot of them.
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Caller
So yeah, yeah, there sure is.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's going to be me.
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Caller
Things number one, enjoy, enjoy. It'll still be there waiting for you. So a couple of things. Number one, the two examples that come to mind with the whole, like, you can't, you can't like publicly get on players too much. I think of Glaber at the step of the dugout last year. Oh, what do you know? He kind of turned it around after that. And Mike Malone a few years ago when Denver came out flat in the playoffs, he went in hard on them in the press conference. I don't remember exactly what he said, but I remember being surprised. What do you know? They win a chip. Obviously that's not always going to work. You need to know when to push the right button. The second point I wanted to make is, Yankee fans, if your main problem is Aaron Boone, I'm sorry, you are a simpleton. This is a Cashman issue. It has been a Cashman issue. I don't want to hear Michael used to frustrate me like crazy with the whole making the playoffs, finishing above.500. This isn't a level playing field. They have the highest budget over the last 25 years. Let's say the last 15 years. They have over that span. They've had the highest budget over that span. You don't make it to the finals once until last year in a field of 15 in the American League. You got to represent the American League in the World Series three or four times every decade if you easily have the highest budget. Right? So whatever it is what it is. And then the last thing is with Cashman, the whole, like, the Yankees don't believe in hot and cold. I wonder the psychology behind that. Like, do not believe in, like literal depression. Like, do you not Believe in confidence or doubt where, like, right now, Volpe would be doubting himself because of how he's doing with the bat. And when someone doubts themselves, it affects them across their whole life. Professionally, it'll affect your personal life. Sometimes you're telling me he can't bring some of that doubt into the field. So, like, I just wonder where Brian Cashman and this Yankees analytics team, which, by the way, is no longer nerds from mit, You've got AI running this stuff. It's not as complicated as we make it seem. Fifteen years ago it was. But listen, where do you draw the line? Like, psychology is. Is. Is a fake science to Brian Cashman. Like, humans have emotions and feelings. That matters.
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Don Hahn
But you're. You're so right, Rob, because, you know, managing with the gut sometimes is having that sense of, you know, who's having marital problems. I mean, who, you know, has this or that going on. But you can't quantify that numerically. And I think they accept the fact that there are some things like clutch, like, hot, like emotion that gets factored into it, but it's negligible to them. The numbers are the overwhelming majority of the time that it's gonna work. So they're gonna go by the percentages. Yeah, there's a fraction of the time that the emotion of the moment might be key, but the overwhelming majority of the time it's going to be about the numbers. So that. That's what they're playing with. And as far as, like, getting into players, Jordan, it's interesting you brought up. Mark, brought up Malone, Mike Malone, who goes after the team. They win a championship, but the second it got bad, where did the. He's gone. Right. The players are going to remember it. All right, so they'll live with you being bad to them. And even if it results in a champion, at some point, they're going to ask you, do you want him to be your coach? And now he's out of a job. Like, the players ultimately are going to have the power and the say so. I get that. But if the organization has the head coaches back, the managers back, a lot more can get done. It just. It's the way that the Yankees want to go about things. And I don't want to have the same conversation we had yesterday. How's it working out for him? That caller put a standard of, oh, you better go to the World Series three, four times in a decade. You got the highest payroll in baseball. Well, that's how you have decided to distinguish what success is. The Yankees look at it and go, we're in it every year. We make, we make trades at the deadline every year. We're never irrelevant. So.
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Peter Rosenberg
But how's it working out with having high standards, Don? Like what's, what's wrong with having high standards?
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Don Hahn
But like you said, the high standard for you and a lot of Yankee fans is winning the World Series. Maybe the high standard for the Yankees is what they are good every year, full ballpark print money.
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Peter Rosenberg
That's just disappointing.
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Don Hahn
What are we doing wrong?
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Peter Rosenberg
That's just disappointing. Then that's the case.
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Don Hahn
It's very disappointing. But tell me I'm wrong. Actions speak louder than words, Jordan. You can play me back any George Steinbrenner quote or Hal Steinbrenner on with K saying, we're really disappointed we didn't win the World Series. We're just as disappointed as you that we didn't beat the Dodgers. But the actions tell me general managers never held accountable. Managers never held accountable. Players are rarely held accountable. They seem to just run the same formula every year. They had it was told, it was told to us that it was blown out of proportion. But didn't they have this self audit? They were going to figure all out what's wrong. And I still see the same thing. Nothing has changed. So they must think it's working because morons not on the table. Right. These are bright people. They wouldn't have the jobs if they weren't.
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Peter Rosenberg
So it's just disappointing. If that's, if that's the case, it's like banging your head against the wall doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result, like, but where's, where am I supposed to, you know, come up with some hope out of that?
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Don Hahn
Well, you're going to. The hope is, is that, hey, look, last year they went to the World Series.
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Peter Rosenberg
I hope everything, I hope we get.
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Don Hahn
They still might win this year. They still could win with all the negatives. It's not impossible to believe and wrap your mind around the fact, as much as we don't think they're contenders, that this team might be in the World Series again and might win it. All right? Who knows? Stranger things have happened. Nobody had The Texas Rangers vs. The Arizona Diamondbacks a couple of years ago. Nobody had the Mets playing in the league championship series on their bingo card last year. Right. So it still could happen. And they're probably telling you, Jordan, what is your problem? Your team's we're good every year. We haven't won yet, but we still have more championships than anybody else in the history of baseball. We're still running out some of the best players ever to do it. Come to the ballpark and you'll see. Judge hit a 500 foot home run, might hit 65 of them this year. You never know, you know, and we're good every year. And we're buyers of the deadline, not sellers. And look, is there an empty seat in the ballpark? So I hear your disappointment, but I'm just saying, tell me I'm wrong.
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Peter Rosenberg
You're not wrong, but that's. I did want to bring something up this week and I wanted to hear what you had to say about it. He was talking about the psyches of players and we've seen Anthony Volpe. It looks like he's kind of, you know, a lot of this, I think we could probably agree, is mental. Have you noticed even on ground balls, he's been going to his knee a lot?
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Don Hahn
Yeah.
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Peter Rosenberg
And you're like, wait, what is it like you've been taught at such a young age, like, not to field the ball like that. It's got to be a confidence thing. Right?
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Don Hahn
I can't imagine the pressure that this kid's under. And I remember saying it at the time, before they even called him up, I said, there's going to be more pressure on Volpe than anybody else, considering the shortstops they could have signed or got that. They didn't because we were waiting on him and he's playing Derek Jeter's position.
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Peter Rosenberg
And he's a local kid. Derek Jeter's position, big prospect. They didn't make moves because he was in the system. They were touting him as this great player. So, yeah, look, his numbers, I said this to someone recently, aren't all that different from Austin Wells. Right. But there's such a. And obviously the defensive part of it is adds to it because if he was playing fine defensively, I'm not sure we'd hear this much noise about Anthony Volpe. But it's just that he came in with all that, like everybody, he was supposed to be the guy. Like Wells didn't come in with that expectation, right?
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Don Hahn
No.
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Peter Rosenberg
So he could hit.220 and, you know, be a pedestrian hitter and, you know, an average fielder. And it's not a big deal. But it's different because Anthony Volpe, that everyone wanted so much from him, they wanted so badly for him to be that next guy, and he was supposed to be the next day. So it makes him the easy target.
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Don Hahn
And there's no getting up from that. Right. I mean, last year in the postseason, he hit.286 with a homer and six RBIs. It's great in the World Series, right? World Series. His first ever, you know, World Series.
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Peter Rosenberg
He was great until the big error he made.
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Don Hahn
But, yeah, he was five RBIs, and.
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Peter Rosenberg
He was very good in the postage. He was one of their best hitters in the postage. You trusted him to put his bat on the ball.
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Don Hahn
That's it.
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Peter Rosenberg
And he was getting base hits. He was getting on base. He was an absolute plus in the playoffs. And that's, that's the amazing part, is how quickly the, you know, the, the tide has turned for Andy Volpe.
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Don Hahn
But that's what's interesting about it, right? Like in any other market, because we're talking about McMahon coming from Colorado, right? If you're in your second year in the bigs and you're one of the best hitters in the postseason for that team, and you've already won a Gold Glove and you had a big home run in the World Series, and you're doing all that, you think you catch.
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Peter Rosenberg
A break, you probably get the benefit.
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Don Hahn
Of the day when you struggle the next year, right? No, no, no, no. What happens here with the Yankees and in New York is now, now, now you'll not only do. You got to do it on a consistent basis. You've now in your third year, you got to do better. And so there's no getting up, there's no break. We're relentless here in New York. Were relentless. Yankee fans are relentless, and rightly so. They expect a certain standard, especially that position where Derek Jeter kind of set that standard. Derek Jeter ate up pressure. Derek Jeter loved it, you know, and so I can't imagine the pressure he must be under. So when you talk about him taking a knee or struggling to throw the ball to first base, which I told you, I think that's all mental when you can't complete the throw from shortstop to first or some sort of arm problem all the time. Yeah, right.
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Peter Rosenberg
Because we're talking about all throwing errors. Almost like none of these are like his glove type. For the most part.
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Don Hahn
No, because I think that's the. The quick twitch, just the instinct of catching a ball. And now what happens? You have it.
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Peter Rosenberg
The think.
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Don Hahn
And now you're thinking about, I've got to throw this properly. I can't throw this in the dirt. And that's exactly what you end up doing.
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Peter Rosenberg
But if you go on your knee, you're also waiting. Now you have to speed up your process a little bit because everything takes long.
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Don Hahn
Why are you going to your knee? Because I'm, I don't have faith that just my glove on the ground is going to be enough to get ball and I can't bobble it. And you look what happened to Mackie Sasser and Steve Sachs and Chuck Knobloch. It was all in there. But I gotta give the kid, he's a good kid, but I just can't imagine the pressure that he must feel on a day in, day out basis. But unfortunately for him, until he rakes and they win a championship and even then it's gonna be all right. We'll do it again. Let's see you do it again. And it's, it's just unrelenting, the pressure that must be on this kid day in and day out. More baseball coming up Next. We've got ENN at 6. But you know what's coming up next, Jordan.
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Peter Rosenberg
What's that, Don?
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Don Hahn
Fraud alert. Friday. I'm looking forward to.
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Peter Rosenberg
You have anything in mind?
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Don Hahn
No. It comes to me.
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Peter Rosenberg
I'm the judge.
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Don Hahn
I take them as they come. I don't know what pitch is coming. I just, I swing it and maybe we'll make contact. We had a lot of non fraud last week. We'll see if we can change that this week. So if you got 111-800-919-3776, Jacob's already going through all of the emails. We've got that coming up next right here on ESPN New York. This is an ad by BetterHelp. Workplace stress is now one of the top causes of declining mental health. With 61% of the global workforce experiencing higher than normal levels of stress. To battle stress, most of us can't wave goodbye to work. But we can start small with a focus on wellness. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp is the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. And it works with an App store rating of 4.9 out of 5 based on over 1.7 million client reviews. It's convenient too. You can join a session with a therapist at the click of a button, helping you fit therapy into your busy life. Plus switch therapists at any time. As largest online therapy provider in the world, BetterHelp can provide access to mental health professionals with a diverse variety of expertise. Unwind from work. With BetterHelp, our listeners get 10% off their first month at betterhelp.com timeout. That's BetterH E L P.com timeout.
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Caller
Again.
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Don Hahn
Thanks for listening to the Don.
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Peter Rosenberg
Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Don Hahn
I didn't listen to anything you just said. Catch the show on demand whenever you want.
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Peter Rosenberg
Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Did you or someone you know participate.
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Don Hahn
In fraudulent fan behavior? I'm a fraud with a capital F.
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Peter Rosenberg
Is your friend a fraud?
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Don Hahn
I have been a complete and utter fraud.
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Peter Rosenberg
Are you a fraud?
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Don Hahn
What is fraud?
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Peter Rosenberg
Let's ask Don McGregor.
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Don Hahn
Screw. Go scratch yourself. I've been looking forward to this all day long. Fraud alert Friday. First time Jordan's in studio for it. Take it away, Jacob Perry.
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Jacob Perry
Oh, one of my favorite segments. I can tell you that right now. Donnie. This and the list. Always look forward to it. But fraud Friday is here. We have one, Tina. She says Russell, the Yankees fan who wears a Mets raincoat is closeted Mets fan and that he loves the jacket. I have firsthand knowledge because I'm his ex wife and he got that jacket in the divorce.
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Don Hahn
No, you hate to hear from the ex wife. Jordan, there was this guy a few weeks ago on fraud alert Friday that said, is he a fraud? That. You know, when it would be raining out, he would wear his wife's raincoat that had a Met logo and he would engage people on the street that were fans of the Mets as if he was like a Met fan. And we're like, dude, just get another raincoat. What are you doing? And now we find out ex wife calling him a fraud. Wow, that's. That's tough to live with, isn't it? We're gonna.
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Jacob Perry
We're gonna keep going. Cause Russ brought the jacket for me years ago and I never even wore it out the house. I tried it on once. The material was too Heavy for me, which would have. He would have already known because he knows I have a spinal injury.
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Don Hahn
Oh, boy.
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Jacob Perry
He wears that thing when it's even not raining. It's his go to jacket in the fall. Once at the dentist, I was the. Wearing this. She was wearing the Mets jacket while getting X rays done, Russ was out in the hallway chatting with the surgeon about the Mets playoffs and the. And all their accomplishments last season. Don, are you. Do you have a verdict already?
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Don Hahn
No. Well, no, obviously it's all. Well, she's not a fraud.
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Jacob Perry
No.
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Don Hahn
And she divorced him, so she got rid of the big problem. Boy, that. That is.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, the jacket's gonna go to waste if he doesn't wear it, though, right?
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Don Hahn
Yeah, but he's a.
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Jacob Perry
He's a fake Yankees fan wearing a Mets check, so.
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Don Hahn
Dude, don't. Well, then he's not real or something, man.
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Peter Rosenberg
Is it. Was he claiming to be a big Yankees fan?
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Jacob Perry
According to his ex wife. And I think she would know more than anyone if he's a real fan or not.
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Don Hahn
He.
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Jacob Perry
If he claims to be a Yankees fan and told her he was a Yankees fan, but wearing Mets paraphernalia everywhere you go, that's a little bit fraudish.
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Don Hahn
You know, this is. Was this the technicolor dreamcoat? Like, is it something we just can't give away? Makes zero sense. What else do we have?
- [25:54]
Jacob Perry
Oh, we also have. Why don't we go to a couple callers here, because I think they would have a lot to say. Let's go to Billy in the truck.
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Peter Rosenberg
Hey, Billy.
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Caller
What's going on, guys?
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Don Hahn
All right, what do you got?
- [26:08]
Caller
Good evening, your honor. Yeah, so all my life, my dad never pressured me on any team besides the Yankees. Well, football. Football has always been my number one sport. And my mom's side of the family is a lot of jets fans. My dad roots for the Giants. And I. I grew up and I. I went to. I went to both games with different family members. You know, always watch both games at home. And it never dawned upon me till maybe about six, seven years ago, like, damn. If it came down to it, which. Which one of these is my team? I wrote, I root for both of them. And. And I don't. I don't think I could get rid of one of them at this point.
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Don Hahn
Wait, Wait a minute. How long has this been going on?
- [27:01]
Caller
I mean, ever since I was watching football. Ever since I first started watching football. I never, you know, I never, like.
- [27:07]
Don Hahn
Just occurred to you years ago.
- [27:11]
Caller
What.
- [27:11]
Don Hahn
Did you do when they played each other?
- [27:16]
Caller
I watched the game. I enjoy, enjoy the game. I mean, what, every, every four years? I mean, you know, it's, it's not like, it's not like I've ever had to worry about a Super bowl for.
- [27:25]
Don Hahn
But there's got to be one. Have you ever declared or just you're saying your whole life you've rooted for both teams and you never declared being a fan of one or the other?
- [27:37]
Caller
I, I mean, I know, you know, I, I want, you know, I watch just about every game I can on, on Sunday and every other one. But yeah, when, like when those two games are on, I'm locked in. I want to, you know, and I, you know, and I listen to, I listen to stuff all day long, so, and you know, I only did, you know, with my dad too, growing up. So I'm hearing, you know, I'm hearing things all the time about both teams and getting updates and I want to, you know, I want to see what happens with this guy. And, and.
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Don Hahn
How old are you?
- [28:08]
Caller
I'm 22 now. But you know, I, I, this, you know, this, it's been a long time. This question's been in my head. Six, seven years.
- [28:18]
Don Hahn
Yeah, but you're only 22, so I don't think that that's, if he was.
- [28:21]
Peter Rosenberg
35, you wouldn't, you wouldn't listen. I'm, would have accepted.
- [28:25]
Don Hahn
I don't, I, I, I'm gonna declare like, I, I don't pick a team. I can't even call him a fraud because he hasn't picked a team. I, I just don't understand how you haven't picked a team. Now I understand you're 22 years old, so that would have mean you were born what, 2003, so we're, you were probably two. Do you remember 2011 when they, when the Victor Cruz 99 yard touchdown run, I mean that was a big game for both teams. You had to have had some feeling on who to root for. You just can't sit there neutral your entire life. And then it dawned on him like 7 years ago I might have to pick a team when they played big games against each other like Jordan.
- [29:05]
Peter Rosenberg
It's so, it's Don. This is why I would say he's.
- [29:07]
Don Hahn
Actually not a fraud.
- [29:08]
Peter Rosenberg
It's because in my mind he's not an actual die hard fan of either team.
- [29:12]
Don Hahn
That's, that's, you know what I mean?
- [29:15]
Peter Rosenberg
He's just a casual fan of both teams.
- [29:17]
Don Hahn
It must be because again, that's the.
- [29:19]
Peter Rosenberg
Only way for that to make sense.
- [29:20]
Don Hahn
So he was 8 years old in 2011, if I'm doing the math correct. If he's 22 now in 2011, that, see that game between the jets and The Giants at MetLife Stadium When Victor Cruz had the 99 yard touchdown, he was eight years old.
- [29:33]
Peter Rosenberg
Yeah.
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Don Hahn
And that was a big game. Both teams needed the game and he just sat there and just enjoyed the game. Like, what did you do when Victor Cruz was running for the touchdown? Just staring at the screen. So it's hard to just call him a fraud. It's almost as if he's, it's like mind numbing. Like I, I, I've never encountered anything like this before. That you're, you're not even really a fan of both teams. You just consume the product and feel no emotion. Like you know how hard it is to have two teams play in the same city and you watch the game and have an equal feeling for both. There are one team ahead of the other.
- [30:09]
Peter Rosenberg
No, I don't really respect it, but there are people out there like that. I bumped into people who just say no. I root for all, both, all the New York teams. Like there are people like that. But I just, the way I view those people is. And you're not really, you're not really a fan of either team.
- [30:22]
Don Hahn
If he was 35, I'd call without a question for fraud. But at 22, it sounds like he's a work in progress. But he's on his way to being a fraud. Hopefully, hopefully there's some clarity moving forward now. Well, him, maybe this is a turning point for him.
- [30:38]
Jacob Perry
Well, hopefully, Don, because I got this next fraud or he's not a fraud until you consider it. But I got this next guy. He has a question similar to that. His name is Ian. Hey guys, I'm a huge fan of the show and I can't wait to see you at the beach. Bass, obviously we did not get to you when we got.
- [30:55]
Don Hahn
Sounds like it.
- [30:55]
Jacob Perry
Yeah, but I'm a 32 year old die hard Dolphins fan. I got into a Twitter argument. My fault, I know. With another Dolphins fan who called me a fraud for saying I trade Miami's perfect season to guarantee a Super bowl win in my lifetime.
- [31:09]
Don Hahn
I think, I think we, we did, we did do this one. I think we did it at the beach bash, if I'm not mistaken.
- [31:14]
Jacob Perry
Oh my God. See, Bad job.
- [31:16]
Don Hahn
I mean, so let's, let's check out George in Washington. I want to hear from George in Washington. What do you got, buddy?
- [31:23]
Caller
Hey, Judge Labreka. Thank you for taking my call. I am a lifelong Yankees fan, was born in the Bronx. I just took a job working security for the Tacoma Rainiers, the Triple A team for Seattle. And I was on the field at the end of the game watching the dugout, and I saw the catcher went into the dugout, put his bats away, then he cleaned the dugout out, and then he signed every ball and hat for every single kid who was staying there until the last. So I was really impressed by him. My fear is, and I haven't learned his name, and I wouldn't until I called in and found out. My fear is that if I become a fan of him, I might become a fan of the Rainiers. And would that make me a fraud?
- [32:14]
Don Hahn
I'm gonna say no fraud, because, listen, I don't know what's going to happen to this player, but I go to Somerset Patriot Games. They're the Double A affiliate of the Yankees. I'm a Met fan. So a lot of the guys that I'm watching at the Somerset Patriots, I don't want them to do well, end up being New York Yankees. But I can. I can distinguish between the two. It's minor league baseball. The kids like going, this is a minor league team for Seattle. Now, if you end up becoming a Mariners fan, that would make you a fraud. But if you want to follow a minor league team, I could see. I could see the difference between the two. So I'm going to say no fraud, George.
- [32:48]
Peter Rosenberg
I'm going to say no fraud. But I also think that, you know, once upon a time in a different lifetime, I actually wrote a book with Joe Beningo. Unlike Rules of Being a New York Sports Fan.
- [32:56]
Don Hahn
That was you?
- [32:57]
Peter Rosenberg
That was me.
- [32:58]
Don Hahn
Okay.
- [32:59]
Peter Rosenberg
And I actually think if you have, like, a friend or a family member and they're on a team where in this case, it's just someone that he. He's met and he likes because he knows he's a good person. I think you can root for that person and you could root for that team. It doesn't mean you should dump your own team. But I think those are special occasions where you can. Like, if. Even if that guy then goes on the mat for the place for the Mariners, you could root for him because you like the individual and you like the person. Now, if, like, I don't think that's a fraud.
- [33:25]
Don Hahn
If that guy that he's talking about gets called up to the Mariners and the Yankees are playing the Mariners in the postseason, and he's up with the bases loaded in a one run game, you shouldn't root for him to get a hit.
- [33:36]
Peter Rosenberg
You can't dump your team for it. But if it's, if it was a family member or a real friend, someone that you knew personally, I think that's a different story. But yeah, I agree.
- [33:46]
Don Hahn
I don't have any problem being a fan of other players or liking other players. That happens, right? If you follow sports, they're going to be guys that you like. But when it comes to that guy, then playing your team, that's a different story, you know, but right now, him liking a minor league affiliate for Seattle or me liking the Somerset Patriots, I don't think that makes you a fraud.
- [34:10]
Peter Rosenberg
Obviously a little different. But I think you'll understand this, Dom, because you're in the business, you know, the broadcasting business in regard on the team side. Like, I'm not a fan of any team anymore because, you know, my job is to be non biased, right? So I don't root for a team anymore, but I do root for individuals that I have personal relationships with. Like I want people that I'm friends with to succeed well. So therefore you, and you're. I'm sure you're the same way. You can then go root for people that you like.
- [34:36]
Don Hahn
There's a rare, we were in a rare situation we decided to do where you're going to build relationships beyond like the fan situation. But this is, this is different. When you're like an actual fan of a team, I think there are certain rules that you have to follow. Dave in Westchester Fraud Friday what do you got?
- [34:54]
Caller
Hey, this is what I got from birth all the way up to about 1980. I'm 62 years old. I've been an incredible Giant fan.
- [35:02]
Don Hahn
Okay?
- [35:03]
Caller
But then There was a 10 year span from like 79 to 88 where I was in love with the Jets. But you're not going to call me a fraud. I guarantee you that. My next door neighbor was a disabled guy with braces on his legs and partial paralysis with. And he had to take me everywhere he went and couldn't get in and out of the car. He became an NFL agent. He had 19 players on the jets as his client. Okay, this is back from 89. I'm sorry, 79, 88. So every time he went to the Jet practices, all the players came over. I got to know them personally. One of them you can call Marty Lyons. The guy's name's Irving Marks. Okay, I got to know Steve Survey. I got to know almost everybody. I went to every super bowl all those 10 years. And in super bowl, you name one for free. So I was a mad Jet fan because I knew the players personally. Schaefer Suggs, coach. You don't even know what Shaffer Suggs is. He coached a team with me, a baseball team in the summertime and we won the hole. We won the championship. So it was an article about me and Schaefer Suggs when they handed him out at the, at the Jet football games. I know Burgess very well. He's a. He's a congressman out in Utah. Me and him still talk. Marty Lyons knows who I am. Or you can say Marty Lyons, who's, who's the Italian guy who hung around with Irving Marks. So I say, oh, I think it's Caputo. That's so. I love the Jets. Even if the jets played the Giants. I knew the player wasn't like, I like John Elwood, I like him. But I never met him. I don't even know who he is.
- [36:25]
Don Hahn
So you rooted for the jets when I played the Giants?
- [36:29]
Caller
Yes, I did. I knew the guys personally. I was at their house.
- [36:32]
Don Hahn
Here's the thing. Here's the thing, Dave. I mean, but you gave up on the Giants and became a Jet fan. So that, that makes you a fraud. I mean, I don't know what else to say. I think you're a nice guy. You did all the. You probably did the right thing. You probably did what a lot of people would have done. But you, you were a Giant fan for a long time and you threw it all away to be a Jet fan. Now are you still a Jet fan?
- [37:04]
Caller
No way. I can't stand them. I hate them. I don't like the Jets, Dave. I'm Yankee fan, but I don't hate the Mets. But I hate the Jets. I don't.
- [37:12]
Don Hahn
Can't stand the Jets. Dave, I love you. I get it. I get. Good person sounds like he's a good hearted person. He's a fraud. He said, I guarantee you, you're not gonna call me a fraud. I guarantee I will. Listen, I love Marty Lyons, right? I mean, he's a great guy. So that, that's enough to throw away your fandom because you became friends with Jet fans or Jet players, Right, Jordan?
- [37:37]
Peter Rosenberg
Am I wrong? This is, this is. That's an easy one.
- [37:39]
Don Hahn
That's too easy.
- [37:40]
Peter Rosenberg
I have an easy one for you too. Can I submit one?
- [37:43]
Don Hahn
Yes.
- [37:44]
Peter Rosenberg
I know you're not going to call this a fraud.
- [37:46]
Don Hahn
What's that?
- [37:46]
Peter Rosenberg
So, Saquon Barkley, do you know what team he grew up rooting? For?
- [37:50]
Don Hahn
Well, he had to root for the Jets. His dad played for the Jets.
- [37:53]
Peter Rosenberg
Not played. But he's just a big Jet fan.
- [37:55]
Don Hahn
I mean, Jeff fan. Yeah, right.
- [37:57]
Peter Rosenberg
He was a boxer. He had two of the jets on his body.
- [38:02]
Don Hahn
Yes.
- [38:03]
Peter Rosenberg
Okay. When the jets played the Giants several years back, Saquon Barkley's father, Alabay Barkley, showed up to the game. And guess what? His son, by the way, is a star player on the Giants at the time.
- [38:19]
Don Hahn
Yes.
- [38:19]
Peter Rosenberg
He shows up to the Jets, Giants game in a Jets jersey.
- [38:25]
Don Hahn
Now, bad guy, not a fraud. Right. You see how it goes? Like, definitely not a fraud. I mean, definitely not a bad guy. That's a bad guy.
- [38:35]
Peter Rosenberg
You're not wearing a Giant.
- [38:37]
Don Hahn
Yeah, right.
- [38:39]
Peter Rosenberg
That's stupid.
- [38:40]
Don Hahn
Now, that's just stupid. But that's a bad guy. No, honestly. Yeah, because that's where I remember stories. That was the boxer. That a good person would wear the jersey, but that would make him a fraud. So everybody looks at fraud as being pejorative. Like, you could be a great guy, like, like our last caller. But that's fraud. He was a fraud. And Saquon Barkley's dad, although a terrible human being, not a fraud.
- [39:05]
Peter Rosenberg
Say this jokingly. He is a good dude. He was a good guy.
- [39:07]
Don Hahn
He's a good man. How do you. But listen, your son. Listen, listen, I, I call for. If Marco played for the Dallas Cowboys. I'm. I'm flying to Dallas and I'm wearing cowboy because my son's on the Cowboys. What am I gonna do?
- [39:20]
Peter Rosenberg
I understand. That's why I brought it up. I couldn't believe that he wore jets.
- [39:25]
Don Hahn
But you know what? Not a fraud.
- [39:27]
Peter Rosenberg
Definitely not a fraud. You're not going to question his jets fandom, that's for sure.
- [39:32]
Don Hahn
We've got a few more to get to, so let's do that. Coming up at 1-800-919-3776. A lot of people want to continue with the fraud stuff, so we'll do it for another segment. Eric Church is coming to Barclays center on Saturday, September 20th. ESPN New York has your chance to score tickets on the ESPN New York, Apple and ESPN New york dot com. Just find the contest tile and submit your entry. Tickets are on sale now. Head to ericchurch.com for more information. Don Hanna Rosenberg here on ESPN New York. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile.
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Don Hahn
Tomorrow, cloudy with a high of 85 and sunny or slight chance of rain on Sunday with a high of 79. That is the weekend weather report, which is brought to you by Schoenhoffer. Schoenhoffer. Grapefruit. Here comes the happy. So a few more people want to get on the fraud alert Friday? Why not? Having some fun, Danny? Long island has one. This should be interesting. What's up, Danny?
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Caller
Afternoon, sir. You know, funny you mentioned the weather. I'm driving to the gym and my phone starts beeping and alert. I'm in bright sunshine about thunderstorms come out of the gym. An hour later. It looks like the end of the world here in Massapequa.
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Don Hahn
I know. And now 20 minutes later, I'm back.
- [42:19]
Caller
Yeah, blue skies again. Thank goodness. But I guess I'm gonna water my garden tonight. So listen, I got a little different kind of a flaunt on here. Okay, so I'm watching my all time favorite game show last night, Family Feud, and I get to the final round. We all know the Setup, they're gonna answer two people the five questions, you know, and usually the questions have several different options of answers. So you're trying to accumulate the 200 points. We all know the game. Here's the question. Name something you need to start a baseball game with that begins with the letter B. I said, what does all. How is that? That's not a question with numerous possibilities. So one person said bat, another person said ball. And then they have the hundred points between the two of them. It was the only two possible answers.
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Don Hahn
That was terrible.
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Caller
The money, I mean, you know, that's not a Family Feud question.
- [43:11]
Don Hahn
But wasn't that Celebrity Family Feud? They dumb it down.
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Caller
That was a regular Family Feud, you know, it was the final round when they were trying to win the 20,000. And of course they won it because that put them. Those two questions alone got them exactly 100 points. And I thought, well, I'm glad they won. But it was probably the weakest Family Feud question I've ever seen. But before I go, I'd like to thank the Major League Baseball scheduler who's giving me a Friday night 10 o' clock game. After a long week of work, the wife will be unconscious by the time the first pitch comes along. I get to sit on the couch undisturbed, unmolested, as I head to the refrigerator. No dirty looks. If I want to make myself a night Sammy at 11:30 at night, I could do whatever I want. I love, I love the late coast games when I don't gotta go work the next day. So thank you, sir, I appreciate that.
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Don Hahn
You know, it brings back a lot of memories for me, Danny, and thank you for the phone call. I wonder if Jordan thinks the same way is that I used to love when the Mets and even the Yankees played out the west in the west coast during the summertime because like I didn't have any bedtime in the summer. I didn't have anything to get up for. And I would have an old black and white TV in my room and my parents would go to bed and It'd be like 11 o' clock at night and Mets, Mets would be in San Francisco or la, or the Yankees would be in Seattle or, or wherever on the West Coast, Oakland. And it would just be so cool to be watching baseball past midnight. It was just, it was just awesome as a kid to be able to. Couldn't do it during the regular school year. You'd have to go to bed. But I used to live for that stuff. The other thing I'd live For Jordan, too.
- [44:44]
Peter Rosenberg
What's that?
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Don Hahn
You know, they didn't. The Giants and Jets preseason games, you didn't watch them live. They were tape delayed.
- [44:53]
Peter Rosenberg
Tape delayed.
- [44:54]
Don Hahn
And it would always come on, like after the news at 11 o'. Clock. So you'd watch the game on tape delay, like at midnight. And again, that was fun because it was in the summertime and then I.
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Peter Rosenberg
Have to get up and actually played back then.
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Don Hahn
Oh, exactly. So there was a lot to the lot to watch and get into. And then my first ever Giant game was a preseason game in 1980. They were playing the Colts and we got home from the game after all the traffic and everything. And then I watched the game again at home in the. In the tape delay.
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Peter Rosenberg
I remember going to two preseason games. One was actually, I guess Vinnie tearing his Achilles was the opener, right? So it was. Yeah, so just one. The one I remember is the Seahorn tearing his knee. Kickoff, though. Jets, Giants and Seahorn. Or his knee trying to return a kickoff. And yeah, that.
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Don Hahn
That didn't work out. And the other thing I've told.
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Peter Rosenberg
But I love west coast games, by the way, in general. I'm a stay up. I don't sleep very much. I'm late at night now.
- [45:57]
Don Hahn
But I used to love, like, the late games. The other thing that I remember from preseason, and Michael would always laugh at me when I bring this up is this is probably before your time, Jordan. But what they would do during the broadcast, if you want to house a Giant, and they would give you, like an address or a number to call if you had, like a spare room for a Giant to stay in.
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Peter Rosenberg
Stop it.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, no, they would do this because, you know, the Giants would train at Pace back then.
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Peter Rosenberg
What if you're a serial killer?
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Don Hahn
No, I guess they would vet you once you showed interest, I guess. But I guess they only had.
- [46:34]
Peter Rosenberg
The vetting process was extremely thorough.
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Don Hahn
This. Listen, again, this was during the 70s, where Vietnam was going on. We didn't try again. We were at war. And so they would put the address up and it was. It was always for, like, the ancillary guys that probably weren't gonna make the team anyway. They were training over at Pace and I guess they just didn't have the room. So there'd be a few guys that might have to stay, like, in the area.
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Peter Rosenberg
Could you imagine, like a billet situation?
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Don Hahn
Like it. Like juniors in high. And I would like. I'd say to my dad, dad, maybe John Mindenhall can stay at our house. And my father's like, John Mindenhall's not staying at our house. It's gonna be some fourth string center that's gonna get cut in five minutes that's gonna be coming by our house. We're not going to do it. But I was thinking, oh, this would be great. Trying to think like maybe George Martin would be able to stay at our house. No, George Martin's got his own house to stay in. Okay. Some guy that was drafted back then, they had like more than seven rounds. It was probably some guy that was taken in the 12th round that's got no chance to stay on the team. He's going to eat all our food and then leave the second he gets cut.
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Peter Rosenberg
And you're, you're holding out hope that all your favorite players are going to come stay in your house. Yeah.
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Don Hahn
So this is like, you know, were.
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Peter Rosenberg
You willing to give up your room?
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Don Hahn
Oh, absolutely. I'm just trying to think of like, this is like, you know, this is like late, like 76, 77. So like who are the stars on the team would be.
- [47:52]
Peter Rosenberg
They were bad.
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Don Hahn
Larry Zonka, John Minden Hall.
- [47:58]
Peter Rosenberg
You know, I'm not that well versed in the 70s giants because they're just known the other one. It's like the forgettable era, you know.
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Don Hahn
Should be in your book. One of the great giant players that never was sad story was Troy Archer. Troy Archer was an. Had an amazing first few years of his career and he unfortunately died in a car accident in North Bergen, New Jersey. He was like 24 years old. So sad. But he was a great defender. They, they were awful, but they had great defenses with, with George Martin.
- [48:29]
Peter Rosenberg
All I know is George and Harry were kind of.
- [48:30]
Don Hahn
George and Harry were.
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Peter Rosenberg
They were the, the leftovers from the teams, the holdovers into the new team. And they were, they were always like, hey, we got to get this right. You know, we got this. This is embarrassing. You know, what we become here.
- [48:43]
Don Hahn
Oh, absolutely.
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Peter Rosenberg
And they really, they were, A lot of the guys always said they wanted to win for those two guys because they know what they had been through.
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Don Hahn
But Mindenhall, Troy Archer, Brad Van Pelt, Brian Kelly. Not the Brian Kelly from Notre Dame.
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Peter Rosenberg
Van Pelt and Kelly were the linebackers in the room. And they kind of jettisoned them eventually with LT&, and banks were there and.
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Don Hahn
You know, well, that was a big story you probably have in your book, like, why are they drafting a linebacker? In 1981, they didn't need a linebacker. But when you saw Lawrence Taylor play, that was. Harry Carson would say, why are you drafting a linebacker. We got so many. And then they saw him the first day of practice. Go. Okay. Yeah, Now I know why you drafted them.
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Peter Rosenberg
Well, Harry wasn't that happy at the time with that. Those were his buddies that they basically had gotten rid of.
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Don Hahn
No, it was pretty amazing stuff. All right, coming up, five o'. Clock. And to get back into the baseball, both the Mets and the Yankees make deals. We got ENN coming up at 6 o'. Clock. Take you up until 7 o' clock. And then it's Pat O' Keefe right here on ESPN New York. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know.
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Peter Rosenberg
It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.
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Don Hahn
Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app.
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Peter Rosenberg
And your smart speakers.