Hour 2: Gary Myers, The List, Talk About It

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg — Hour 2 Summary (November 26, 2025)

Episode Overview

In this lively hour of ESPN New York’s Don, Hahn & Rosenberg show, hosts Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg, and Don La Greca are joined by veteran sportswriter and Hall of Fame voter Gary Myers. The trio dive deep into the ongoing debate over Eli Manning’s Hall of Fame candidacy, dissect the complexities of the voting process, touch on Giants coaching prospects, and share their most memorable NFL Thanksgiving moments. The show blends informed football analysis with personal anecdotes and playful banter, making it a quintessential slice of contemporary New York sports radio.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Eli Manning’s Hall of Fame Case & NFL Hall of Fame Voting

Timestamps: 02:12 – 17:12

• Eli’s Prospects & The Hall Process
  Gary Myers, drawing on his 15 years of voting experience, provides context on where Eli stands in the Hall of Fame race. He describes the current voting process, the impact of changes enacted after Deion Sanders’ comments, and explains why it’s tougher than ever for candidates to get in.

  "If Rivers gets in ahead of Eli, I kind of want to resign from the committee."
  — Alan Hahn (03:37)

  • Myers notes that while Eli’s 117-117 record is used against him, it fails to account for franchise dysfunction in his final years.

    "If Eli retired after his eighth season, he would have retired with two Super Bowl MVPs and a record of 69 and 50."
    — Gary Myers (04:40)

  • The show draws attention to how Eli’s poor record in his final years was a product of bad drafts, personnel decisions, and an eroded defense.

  "Since Eli retired, look at this dysfunction. So he caught the tail end."
  — Don La Greca (05:34)

  • Myers points out the disparity in perception and standards, comparing Eli to Drew Brees, noting both performance and playoff success.

    "I can make a case to you right now that Eli deserves it over Brees."
    — Gary Myers (08:45)

  • The hosts riff on how Eli’s nonchalance masks his competitive pride.

    “Outwardly, he's just going to let it... shrug his shoulders. But I know this is important to him.”
    — Gary Myers (09:23)

• Modern Voting Changes
  Recent changes to the voting process, largely inspired by Deion Sanders’ call for stricter standards, have reduced the number of yearly inductees, increasing candidate competition.

  "They're cannibalizing each other."
  — Gary Myers (11:25)

  • The dynamic between modern era player slots and separate coach/contributor/senior categories is explained.

Potential NY Giants Hall of Fame Bias

Timestamps: 16:29 – 18:45

• There’s a discussion about “New York bias” in Hall voting, with several Giants and Jets greats forced to wait extended periods for induction.

  "Is there a New York bias, too, when this is involved?"
  — Don La Greca (16:29)

  • Examples include Harry Carson, Carl Banks, and Tiki Barber, whose Hall credentials are dissected.

    "Tiki's last five years were as good as any running back’s five years in NFL history."
    — Gary Myers (17:37)

Giants Coaching Situation & Future Outlook

Timestamps: 18:45 – 22:45

• The gang pivots to current Giants issues: head coach job prospects, the role of continuity with the front office, and what’s needed for stability.

  "They need an adult in the room, they need a resume coach, somebody come in and has experience."
  — Don La Greca (19:47)

  • Myers feels strongly that the Giants need a head coach with NFL experience to reset the organization, rather than promoting from within.

    "You need to wipe it out and start over. You can't have any remnants except maybe if you want to keep a position coach."
    — Gary Myers (22:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“The List”: Top 5 Most Memorable Thanksgiving NFL Moments

Timestamps: 25:41 – 35:28

• Don’s annual Thanksgiving Day “List” of the most memorable NFL Thanksgiving moments sparks debate:

  • #1: Leon Lett’s infamous snow fumble (Cowboys-Dolphins, 1993)
  • #2: The “Butt Fumble” (Jets, 2012)
  • #3: The Phil Luckett coin toss blunder (Steelers-Lions, 1998)
  • #4: Lawrence Taylor’s 97-yard interception return (Giants-Lions, 1982)
  • #5: Dave Williams’ overtime kickoff return (Bears-Lions, 1980)

  "The Butt Fumble... it lives forever. It was so embarrassing... the guy started in two championship games and it's still the first thing you think of." — Don La Greca (26:49)

• Hosts reminisce about their own Thanksgiving football memories and react to the chaotic nature of “memorable” versus “great” moments:

  "Think about the list... nothing was particularly good. In fact some of it was downright awful. A coin flip issue, a butt fumble. And then of course Leon Lett."
  — Peter Rosenberg (34:33)

Lighthearted Banter, Beer & YouTube Chat

Timestamps: 41:54 – 43:15

• The hosts riff with the YouTube audience about favorite (and regrettable) beers, microbrew fads, and the nostalgia of mid-90s American lagers.

  “You’d be cool and find something microbrew style. And you pretend to like it, and you realize, I don’t like it.”
  — Peter Rosenberg (42:34)

“Let’s Talk About It Tuesday” – Social Media & Disinformation

Timestamps: 43:16 – 47:52

• Callers participate in “Let’s Talk About It Tuesday.” One venting about rampant misinformation on social media, specifically false rumors about Paul O'Neill.

  “Why do we do this? Why do people not have anything better in life than just posting these things over and over again?”
  — Caller Griffin (43:29)

• The hosts reflect on the consequences of losing the unique credibility of Twitter’s blue check, and how it’s fueling fake news — poking fun at Elon Musk’s business decisions.

  "To get the $7, to ruin it, was this built-in thing that made it awesome... It destroyed the credibility."
  — Gary Myers (47:22)

Thanksgiving Football Stories & Memories

Timestamps: 48:15 – 49:20

• Caller Eric shares a personal story about the Leon Lett play happening just as his future in-laws arrived for Thanksgiving.

  "Leon Lett play happens, doorbell rings, first time they meet my parents... you couldn't have set up a crazier scene."
  — Eric, caller (48:19)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:12 – 17:12 — Eli Manning’s Hall of Fame Debate & Voting Mechanics
• 17:12 – 18:45 — Debating New York Hall of Fame Bias (Carson, Banks, Tiki, etc.)
• 18:45 – 22:45 — Giants Coaching Search & Organizational Direction
• 25:41 – 35:28 — Don’s Thanksgiving NFL “List” & Discussion of Memorable Moments
• 41:54 – 43:15 — Beer Nostalgia & Banter with YouTube Audience
• 43:16 – 47:52 — Social Media Misinformation & Loss of Blue Check Credibility
• 48:15 – 49:20 — Listener Thanksgiving Football Memory

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Tone & Atmosphere

The episode is fast-paced, passionate, and loaded with both expertise and irreverent humor. Myers adds insider depth to the Hall of Fame discussion, while Don’s “List” inspires both laughter and nostalgia. The episode balances serious sports debate with signature New York attitude, inside jokes, and interactive audience engagement.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a quintessential showcase of NYC sports talk — detailed, opinionated, relatable, and unscripted. Football fans will love the Hall of Fame deep dive (especially on Eli), nostalgia for Thanksgiving games, and the candid honesty about the modern sports media landscape. Come for the analysis; stay for the banter and inside stories!

Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don LaGreca]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers. 403 in the big city with Don Lagreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. I want to shout out again the YouTube viewers who are there with us today and are pretty much a lot of you there with us every day. And we thank you and thank you. Dr. Van Nostrand points something out as Peter played the stranger pulls drop. Stranger things drops tonight. Boys. Season five. Yeah, that's the first couple of episodes. Eight p.m. i will be, I'll be, I'll be binging. I'll be watching it.

[Don LaGreca]

Really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love it. I'm really surprised.

[Gary Myers]

Season behind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think, Don, you would love this because it's 80s references on many levels, plus horror movie references on many levels. And then 80s, you know, like retro movie references.

[Gary Myers]

You'd like that part.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's, there's so much to it that you're like, you'll recognize things, all the Easter eggs throughout the movie and it's a pretty cool story as well. So they made us wait a long time for this. But season five dropping tonight, 8 o'. Clock. So I'm fired up for it was.

[Don LaGreca]

A lot of travel in my future. So I guess there's a chance.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah, you'll get into here. Don, I do think this year with the travel with the team, you should up your TV quotient. That's a good goal for you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a good goal for you. A good goal for us is to get down to business when it comes to hall of Fame voting and giants and everything more to do that you should be tuning in every Saturday on the Saturday Huddle with Gary Myers from noon to three right here on ESPN New York. He's kind enough to join us here today. So, Gary, welcome. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Alan Hahn]

Happy Thanksgiving to you guys. How's everything going?

[Gary Myers]

Good so far.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We had this debate yesterday as we do each year now with the, with the, the semifinalists that yesterday for the football hall of Fame and obviously Eli in now year two. And we're trying to figure out, like, when is the year that he makes it. And I'm wondering, you've been a voter for 15 years. You've broken this down many times on the air here and also on your show. What are your feelings about when you think Eli Manning would get in with a vote?

[Alan Hahn]

Alan, that's a really good question. I wish I had a definitive answer for you, and I wish I can say it was going to be, you know, this coming year. We just got the ballots yesterday to vote it down to 15, and we, the next step after that was when we have our meeting in January, we discuss each of the candidates and, you know, come up with the final, you know, the final group this year. I mean, we got Drew Brees, who most people think is a lock to be a first timer, Larry Fitzgerald, who may or may not be locked. I mean, he's, his numbers are incredible, but we have a glut of wide receivers. I think he's clearly the best of the group.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They.

[Alan Hahn]

They could cancel each other out. Philip Rivers is up for the first time. But I almost feel like if, if Rivers gets in ahead of Eli, I kind of want to resign from the committee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, listen, I really think he deserves it. I'm going to give you one stat, and I'm doing the presentation this year because Bob Glover, who had been doing the Giants presentations, has retired from the committee after he retired from Newsday. So I asked to switch from the Giant jets to the Giants, and we have Rich Smini. Buddy Rich is now representing the Jets.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, wow. Nice.

[Alan Hahn]

So, yeah, the only problem with that, I don't know the next Jet he's going to be presenting. I kind of wiped out all the jets in the last 10 years between Curtis and my. And Kleko and Revis, you know, so I'm not sure who's really left. But anyhow, one of the things that came up in the meeting last year is eli was only 117 and 117 in his career and. Absolutely true. But, Don, you might even know this because I know you're a huge Giant fan, but if Eli retired after his eighth season.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

He would have retired with two Super Bowl MVPs and a record of 69 and 50. Okay. He was 48 and 67 over the last eight years of his career. When we know that Tom Coughlin lost his magic touch.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

Evidenced by not taking OBJ out of that game. Then he went nuts against the Carolina Panthers and Josh Norman. So I thought that Coughlin kind of lost. Kind of lost it a little bit. The drafts were horrible, which led to Jerry Reese getting fired. The defense, let's just say that the personnel department down Eli in his last eight years and he really didn't have a chance. And so when people say, well, look at his Overall record of 117. 117, I can come back now and say, well, if you only played the eight years, he would have been 19 games over 500.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. And never mind that, Gary. I mean, I think I have the math correct because I did it yesterday. Just take out the last three years. I think it was 9 and 26 the last three years when they were a complete abomination, when they were trying to win another Super Bowl. But they had, you know, the second year of McAdoo after they went 11 5. After that 115 season, which was all he and Odell. After that, I think the record is 9:26. And it's aged well for Eli because look at this dysfunction. Since Eli retired, like, so he caught the tail end of the dysfunction. So if you just change the record and take 926 out of this 117 and 117, it's a completely different. So you didn't have to go back because eight years you could say, well, was he Sandy Koufax? But just the last three years changes the record.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, and I agree, you're right because that's part of what I had worked out yesterday. He was 3 and 12 in 2017, 5 and 11 in 2018. Then his final year, he's 1 and 3. I believe he was 02 when he got benched. And then when Jones got hurt towards the end of the year, Eli came back and won one game and lost another. But you know, Don, the other thing and Alan and Pete, the other thing that came up in the meeting was it was a Giant defense that won the Super bowl in 07 and 11. Now listen, we know that the Giant defensive line was unbelievable in Super Bowl 42 against the Patriots. I mean, they just tortured Brady. But it's not like that Giant defense was the 86 Giants and 85 Bears. I mean, he didn't play with a shutdown defense. And they played great in that game and they played good playoffs. But so did eli. And from 2000. Samini actually looked this up for me yesterday in the ESPN databank. From 2004-11, the Giants were 21st in the league, points allowed per game. That kind of shut down defense. Nope, the defense wasn't carrying Eli during those years. And one of the point I wanted to make here is that they're saying, well, Eli didn't make first or second team all pro. And they go, you know, hey, Myers, you didn't even vote for him. Well, until 2020, we only voted first team, and whoever made second team was got the second most votes, Right? So we voted first team and whoever was second team got the second most votes. Well, in the 16 years that Eli played, his brother was first team six times and Brady was first team three times. Now, that's nine out of 16 years that two of the three or four best quarterbacks in NFL history were getting all the votes. Drew Brees made first team all pro once, and he's going to get in. He's probably, as parcel says, you know, he's going to go in on roller skates. But I can make a case to you right now that Eli deserves it over Brees. Brees and Sean Payton were complete underachievers in the playoffs. They got to one super bowl despite being the first or second seed. It seemed like every year. And they kept getting knocked out early, but Breaves is just going to go right in.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah, it is interesting.

[Don LaGreca]

We said the exact.

[Alan Hahn]

Am I passionate enough?

[Don LaGreca]

Thank you. I'm glad you're representing. It was a tranny proud.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll tell you honestly, Gary, it was stunned silence because we were just taking that all in. There was a lot of evidence that you were bringing and.

[Gary Myers]

No, we. And we saw the same thing yesterday when we saw Breeze's name. You kind of just know it. But isn't it sort of perfect for Eli's career, given the way everyone always thought of him, that no matter what he did, we'd end up in this spot? And. And with that, Gary, how much does he care, do you think, one way or the other about this? It's hard for me to picture a world in which Eli truly gives a damn how long it takes.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Eli has that kind of demeanor that you think that he doesn't care, but when I had him on my radio show earlier in the season, we talked about it and listen, everybody likes to be validated, whether it's you guys, you know, getting in radio hall of Fames or, you know, maybe me, if I eventually would get into the writers wing of the hall of Fame. You know, we can downplay it all we want, but it's nice to have your career validated. And I have no reason to believe that Eli thinks any differently. You know, outwardly, he's just going to let it just Going to shrug his shoulders. But I know this is important to him and I know what he said on the show back in September, that it is important to him. The one who probably cares the most is Archie. I mean, I talk to Archie about it all the time and, you know, he would love to see this happen for Eli. And again, I'd like to be definitive and say this is definitely going to happen or this is when it's going to happen. But the voting rules, you know, have gotten much harder. I don't know how much you guys have paid attention to it, but they changed it last year. And just real briefly, before, we used to vote it from 15 to 10 to 5, and then when it got to 5, we both voted yes on each of the five so they all could make it. But because Deion Sanders opened his mouth a couple years ago and said, you know, there should be a separate room for the truly elite hall of Famers because they're letting guys in who don't belong. The hall of Fame Board of Directors. Now, they won't say it was a direct response to what Dion said, but I know that it was. They changed the voting rule. So now we voted from 15 to 10, and then from 10 to 7, and then you add the 7, you can vote for 5 and then whoever gets 80% gets in. Well, so the 7 are competing against each other. And last year, instead of five making it up from modern era, only three made it. And they're just knocking each other off. Yeah, it's like they're cannibalizing each other.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's become much harder. So even if Eli gets to the seven this year, he only made, he didn't even make the cut to 10 last year. Even if he gets to seven, then it's still a huge battle to get the 80%. So, you know, I think it's only the true no brainers who did it get on the first time around. And then I'm hoping to make a really convincing argument. Maybe I should just play. You know, maybe you guys can send me the tape of this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everything you just laid out is exactly what they need to hear. And it's what's also interesting too is those scenarios, right? And we also have coaches that now, now they. Coaches count in the number or is coaches in a separate category?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, see, Alan, there's a coach category, contributor category, and a senior category.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. So it can't impact how many. Like what I mean is, is they're not like.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, it doesn't affect the modern ear no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it doesn't affect the time, the. The amount of players or any of that stuff either.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There isn't a clash. Well, that's too many overall people.

[Gary Myers]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

No, because it could be up to eight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

So that would get in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you have.

[Alan Hahn]

I just want to explain this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Let me just tell you this, okay. I don't mean to cut you off, but in the past year, we used to vote on the coach separately. Get 80%, you're in. We vote on the contributor separately. Get 80%, you're In. And we used to vote on each of the three senior finalists separately. And if you got 80%, you. You get in. One, two or three could get in. Now, they've taken those three categories and put them together. So we have five among them, a coach, a contributor, and three seniors. And then you vote for three, and whoever gets 80% gets in. Last year, first year, the new rules. Sharp as a senior was the only one to get in. Mike Holmgren, who I thought was a lock as coach candidate, did not get in. So they had a class of four people last year. And I think it's counterproductive for the hall of Fame. That's their biggest weekend. It's the biggest weekend for the city of Canton and last year, and I wasn't there, but I was told the crowd was appreciably smaller than it had been in past years. Imagine how many people from Green Bay would have come if Homegrown and Stormstrong got in together, and they would have put the packers in the hall of Fame game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Donnie, you had a theory about this, right? When it comes to the Giants.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, because next year. Because I don't think Eli's getting in this year, and certainly Coughlin's not going to get in this year because Belichick, I'm assuming, will get the one coach that could it set up for next year where Eli and Kaufman go in together and the Giants can play in the hall of Fame game.

[Gary Myers]

And that's a great weekend for Ken.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Don, let me. And I don't know this off top of my head, and I probably should. What was Roethlisberger's last season? Is he up next year? I don't know, because Eli's last season was 19 and I can't remember if Rothlisberger's last season was 20.

[Don LaGreca]

I want to say it was 20. I want to say it was after. It was after Eli.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it was definitely after Eli.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it was definitely after Elo. 21.

[Don LaGreca]

21. So he's due.

[Alan Hahn]

21 was his last.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He'll be due, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. He'll be up. Yeah, obviously he'll be.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

The reason it wasn't 20 is because he would have been up this year. He would have got. Been on the ballot this year. So if he's 21, he'll be competing against Eli. If Eli doesn't get in and Rivers. So the three guys from the same draft will be fighting each other. And I can make a case again that Eli deserves.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah, you think. Do you think Ben would go into the potential first ballot conversation?

[Alan Hahn]

You never know. I mean, it's not.

[Don LaGreca]

You're gonna make Eli wait two years. You can make Roethlisberger wait a year, for sure.

[Alan Hahn]

I agree with that. And listen, I can make a case like with. With Kurt Warner. Kurt had like two or two or three, maybe just two amazing years for the Rams. He had a great year for the Cardinals when he got him to the super bowl and basically did nothing in between for like six or seven years. And he got in on. I believe it was either his third or fourth time. So I do think Eli will get in. But I want to tell you this, and Galabra would tell you the same thing, because we were texting during our meeting last year. I was blown away. I mean, it takes a lot to really surprise me in these meetings. I was completely blown away by the degree of negativity towards Eli. I don't know if that's. You know, people are tired of the Mannings, whether he's on too many commercials, you know, whatever. But the venom in that room just really was surprising. And that's what I have to try to overcome to help him, you know? And listen, it's kind of a weird position they put us in when we have to advocate for guys who we covered. Yeah. But all I'm really doing is stating his case, and hopefully people will see that he deserve it.

[Don LaGreca]

And you talk about the venom, and maybe it is the Mannings, and people are just tired of the Mannings and all that. But you also wonder about a New York bias, because look how long, you know, Coughlin deserves it. He's not gonna go in this year, we hope, maybe next year. How long George Young had to wait, you know, past his passing to finally get in? Joe Klekko took forever to get in. So is you're there. Is there a New York bias, too, when this is involved?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, yeah. I mean, it took Harry Carson 13 years.

[Don LaGreca]

I know. And the ridiculous argument. Well, Lawrence Taylor, he played from 75 to 80 without Lawrence Taylor.

[Alan Hahn]

That's exactly right. And you know how he was so disgusted that he wrote to the hall of Fame and asked him take the name off the ballot?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

How about Carl Banks? Carl Banks was an incredible player. And the argument is, well, he played with LT and Harry. Well, how about the Chicago Bears have three guys from their defensive line. Dan Hampton, Richard dent and Steve McMichael. They all played with each other. Yeah, exactly.

[Don LaGreca]

All those Steelers that played with each other.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly right. So I've been pushing really hard. Carl never should have made it through the 20 years in a modern era without getting in. Everson Walsh was another guy, and I covered almost his entire career because I was in Dallas for his first eight years and I moved back to New York and he followed me here for some reason. And he won the super bowl for the Giants with that tackle of Thurman Thomas. I can't make a case for him. I mean, he just. Neither one of those guys is getting very far in the senior vote. And then Tiki Barber. I mean, Tiki's last five years were as good as any running backs. Five years in NFL history. It's just his first five years were kind of ordinary. And Kiki says to me now, why didn't you tell me if I played another one or two years, I'd already been the hall of Fame? I said, kiki, when you announced in the middle of the season in oh, six that you were retiring, I said, hey, man, if you want to be in the hall of Fame, do not quit now. You're on a roll, but you need a couple more years. He wants Matt Lauer instead. Well, at least some parts of Matt Lauer.

[Don LaGreca]

Right. And he would have won a ring, too, probably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Well, that's the other part, what he missed. Gary, while we have you, let me talk some current Giant situation, if you don't mind. And you know, Mike Kafka is coaching for a job, but does it seem like this? I think some of us feel like he seems like he would be not a lead candidate, but that he's in line for it because it doesn't disrupt a lot of things with the Giants. If you keep Joe Shane, you know, you don't want to disrupt too much of what's going on. And obviously with Joe, John Mara and his illness and what he's battling right now with cancer, that, you know, maybe that's could be the best thing for everyone if it all works out. But I'm of the belief that you really, at this point, with a young roster with The I think there's plenty of talent here to win. They had enough games this year to prove to you they should have at least a.500 record. But these games that they gave away because of how bad the defense was late, that they need an adult in the room, they need a resume coach, Somebody come in and has experience. What side do you, what side are you on? Opinion wise and what do you know about what they'd like to do?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, no, I agree with you. They need a coach that has head coaching experience, you know, preferably in the NFL. The I'm throwing a blank on his name now. The defensive coordinator in Green Bay who used to be has head coaching experience from Boston College. I'm just drawing a blank on his name now. But I think that Joe Shane has a chance to stay because of what you said about not wanting to make a lot of changes. And when you change the general manager, you are change you are. When Joe came in, he mod and I'm not defending the job he's done. I'm just saying he modernized the whole scouting department which was behind the times with Jerry Reese and Dave Gettleman, especially with Gettleman, just in terms of, you know, getting everything on computer digital. Was it digitizing it, you know, turning everything digitally, you know, he really modernized it. And I don't think that John wants to go through that again, you know, particularly because of his health situation. On the coaching side, Phil Sims told me it makes no difference that Jackson Dart is smart enough. You will have the whole playbook down before they hit the field for the first time in the OTAs. And it doesn't, he doesn't need the continuity. And let's, let's look at this realistically. We've criticized Dabel for all the quarterback design runs that put Dart in, you know, in harm's way, just calling those plays. Mike Kafka.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay. You know, Gable could have overruled it and maybe he was the one who's pushing for it in the game plan. But Kafka is the guy who was calling the players and putting, you know, putting Dart in these vulnerable positions. And it's bad enough the kid, or maybe it's good enough the kid is so ultra competitive and thinks, you know, he can take on 240 pound linebackers like Josh Allen does and he'll learn because he's a smart guy. But the coach was also putting him in bad positions. And if it wasn't able, then it was certainly Kafka. And Kafka was the one calling the plays. I think you need to wipe it out and start over. You can't have any remnants except maybe if you want to keep a position coach. It's been so horrible for three years now. Why would you want to keep the guy who was the right and I'm not being critical of Kafka because he's had a lot of job interviews, but why would you want to keep the guy who was the right hand man of a guy who just fired in the middle of the season? I don't get that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

As if you need a fresh start. The defense quarter. You're talking about Jeff Halfley. He's a Boston.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's a New Jersey guy too, from Montville. So that's a bit of a homegrown situation if that's the direction they go. Gary, great stuff. We appreciate you coming on with us today. Have a great Thanksgiving and everybody, of course can hear you. Saturdays the Saturday Huddle with Gary Myers, 12 noon to 3 every Saturday here on ESPN New York. Thanks so much.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks Gary. Take care guys. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Gary Myers]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

And the list is driven by Ramsey Mazda. So Peter stepped on me a little bit.

[Gary Myers]

But that's all right.

[Don LaGreca]

We'll get through it. Sorry. Oh, the top five most memorable Thanksgiving Day moments in the NFL.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Please tell me the Butt Fumble's not on it.

[Don LaGreca]

No, no. So is that. So you don't want to guess it?

[Gary Myers]

Wait, so real quick, real quick, Don, Don, this is local or all time.

[Don LaGreca]

I went all time. There's just not enough local.

[Gary Myers]

No, can't be.

[Don LaGreca]

They almost never play on Thanksgiving and. And usually never win on Thanksgiving. So.

[Gary Myers]

I got to tell you, out of the gate, Allen, my initial feeling is, like, very stuck. I don't, like, have. I've watched so many duds, you know, in my lifetime, and I have the personal ones that are meaningful. I'm gonna throw the Butt Fumble out. I think we should throw it out there, Alan. Just on account of what. What else is there?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it was just so remarkable and it was. Everybody talked about it.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

Because again, the list is memorable moments, and how can it not be on the list? And I have it at number two, everybody still talks about that. It happened on November 22, 2012. It happened 12 years ago. How many years did it still end up in like the top five worst moments during like SportsCenter. Even after, even when it wasn't even in the same season. It's ridiculous. It lives forever. It was so embarrassing. And, and when you, and unfortunately, maybe you think about Mark Sanchez now and the trouble that he's in, but you couldn't. I mean, the guy, the guy started it in two championship games and it's still the first thing that you think of. I've got it at number two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number two.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Gary Myers]

Soon to be the second thing that.

[Don LaGreca]

You think, well, who are you taking out? We'll, we'll get into that. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don LaGreca]

Any other guesses.

[Gary Myers]

Al? Let's think for a second, shall we?

[Don LaGreca]

When you hear these, there might be a couple that you just don't remember, but I'm gonna bring these up and you're gonna be like, oh my God, yeah. Oh my God, yeah. But your silence.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I gotta feel like because the Lions play all the time.

[Gary Myers]

There has to be a Barry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's gotta be.

[Don LaGreca]

There was, there was an honorable mention. He did have 167 yard rushing game. But again, who are you taking out? I mean, there's one on this list I can see you debating, but it's memorable for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don LaGreca]

But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Lawrence Taylor.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I had Lawrence Taylor at number four.

[Gary Myers]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Don LaGreca]

Peter played the highlight. Yeah. November 25th, 1982, the 97 yard touchdown return against the Lions. So I have that at number four.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don LaGreca]

So the fact that I'm a Giant fan and I put that at four tells you there's other significant events that I have here. So you've got two and you've got four. So you need to. So you need one, three and five.

[Gary Myers]

All right, I'm going to be annoyed here, but just. I'm not. It's not common, so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don LaGreca]

All right, so you want me just given to you?

[Gary Myers]

Yeah, go for it.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, go. All right, well, number. I'm going to go number five. It was November 27, 1980. Believe it's the first time it ever happened where the Bears beat the Lions. Vince Evans scores a touchdown as the time's running out to tie the game. And then Dave Williams takes the opening kickoff 100 yards for a touchdown. I've got that at number five. That was a big. I remember being at my grandmother's house in Passaic for that one as well. Number three. Remember Phil Luckett, Steelers Remember Jerome Bettis?

[Gary Myers]

What would happen now?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, what happened was, you know, Phil Luckett screws up the coin flip.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, the heads or tails.

[Don LaGreca]

Remember that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God. I didn't. I forgot Thanksgiving.

[Don LaGreca]

And the cat. And the Lions end up winning the game. He says. He says tails. It's tails. But for some reason, Phil Luckett hears heads and the Lions end up winning. That was a big. Phil Luckett never lived that down. That was talked about forever. Please tell him you remember that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. No, no, the moment I remember. I don't know why I didn't. I don't know why that didn't resonate as a Thanksgiving Day thing. That's all.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, that was. Okay. That was on November 26, 1998. That's wild. And then. And number one. Come on. Number one with a bullet is Leon Lett against the. In the snow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's. Yes.

[Don LaGreca]

And listen, Leon Lett had another big moment in a Super bowl, but I think this was even bigger because it cost him the game. At least it cost him points in the Super Bowl. They still won in blowout fashion. But the block kick. And all he has to do is just let it lay there. But for some reason he dives on top of it and the Dolphins recover and they get a chance to. To kick an even shorter field goal in the snow. And this is so memorable, guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, the fact that it snowed in.

[Don LaGreca]

Dallas, snowing in Dallas on Thanksgiving, it's such a boneheaded play. Pete Stoyanovich was the kicker for the Miami Dolphins that won the game. That has to be number one for me. I remember being at sportsphone when that happened and God, Leon let never let that die. Matter of fact, I remember Rex Ryan saying that it was a play when he was with the jets and he called it let it be like in those situations, don't touch it. Let it be like the song from the Beatles, but let it be. Meaning Leon let. Don't touch the ball like Leon let. So I've got that at number one. So number five was the Williams kicker turn for a touchdown for the Bears in Detroit to win the game in overtime. Lt's 97 yard interception return for a touchdown. Number four. Number three. Three the Phil Luck it screwing up the coin toss. Number two, the butt fumble. And number one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Think about that though, because you. It was Texas Stadium, so it had that like the opening, right?

[Don LaGreca]

So God can watch his team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the fact that it was starting to snow. That. That's right. That, that was. What is that, 30 something years ago.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. That the date that was November 25, 1993.

[Gary Myers]

I got. I got a couple things to say here.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, let's do it.

[Gary Myers]

But I'm going to tell you right after I tell you about something else.

[Don LaGreca]

Let me just say this then, before you tell me about something else, that the list was driven by Ramsey Mazda. It's the experience of driving a new Mazda and buying a new Mazda from Ramsey Mazda. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda.

[Gary Myers]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, Guy. I'm sorry. Peter, we have. Ray Santiago's here.

[Gary Myers]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was seven years old for the Leon Let game. He said. You said this was your intro.

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

So that was the very first football.

[Don LaGreca]

Game that I ever watched in my.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Life where I had to have it.

[Don LaGreca]

Explained to me what the hell just.

[Alan Hahn]

Happened because I had no idea. I thought that was.

[Gary Myers]

Won the game seven. That's very confusing.

[Don LaGreca]

Like, what do you mean? He blocked it. We.

[Alan Hahn]

We won, right?

[Gary Myers]

It's over.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, listen.

[Don LaGreca]

Leon didn't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Leon didn't know.

[Don LaGreca]

Seven year old Ray didn't know either.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sorry.

[Gary Myers]

Making a really bad decision to stay with that team. Now here's the weird thing. I'm finding number one. I find it so odd that I don't remember that at all.

[Don LaGreca]

You don't remember that at all?

[Gary Myers]

I. I guess it literally had to be a thing of like that year. Whatever I did with my family didn't include me getting to watch the game. Because it seems like I'd absolutely remember.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, you would.

[Don LaGreca]

I do believe that was my first.

[Gary Myers]

Experience like really watching and taking in the Thanksgiving football.

[Don LaGreca]

And the. The two things that jumped out about.

[Alan Hahn]

That game were A how it ended.

[Don LaGreca]

And B the fact that there was.

[Alan Hahn]

Snow in Texas St. Oh, it's snowing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's crazy. That's so why is it snowing?

[Don LaGreca]

I thought that was a dome. You know I had to have all.

[Gary Myers]

That explained to me as well. Yeah. A lot of confusing stuff. And. And then the other thing I thought that was very telling about the list is based on the moments Don gave how horrible the football is on Thanksgiving. I mean think about the list of what he just gave us. Nothing was particularly good. In fact some of it was downright awful.

[Don LaGreca]

But.

[Gary Myers]

And some of the worst moments in history.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A coin flip issue, a butt fumble. And then of course Leon let well.

[Don LaGreca]

Remember it's not the greatest moments in Thanksgiving football history was the most memorable. Yeah but those are very, very memorable. Like I was looking Peyton Manning had a six touchdown game and I mentioned the Barry Sanders 167 yards rushing but I remember that's the Phil Luckett lift forever. He never got over that. That was something that was always, always involved with him. The Leon let deserve to be number one. The Buff Fumble guys that these are things that kind of live forever. Those three to me are untouchable. We can debate the Lawrence Taylor and maybe I'm biased because I'm a giant fan. And the Williams kick return for a touchdown. You never saw that in overtime. A guy a team winning on a kick return in overtime. Crazy. But those the top three I don't think could be debated as far as memorable are concerned. And they're probably remembered for all the wrong reasons. Right. But they're still memorable.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, right now on the, on the YouTube feed the lighting that's happening at the rock right now. Now while you're talking.

[Gary Myers]

Oh yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's really special. Like you it is a techno vibe happening right now with Don.

[Gary Myers]

Oh no. You, you, you. You don't even know what's there. We're gonna have days where do you remember the classic one Don? What. What stadium were you in where it was literally like you were a full on club with the lights and the music.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't remember.

[Gary Myers]

It was so bad.

[Don LaGreca]

Angel Vegas.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I hope they lose six one and.

[Alan Hahn]

They lost six to three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes it was. Yeah.

[Gary Myers]

I think Balor sending me video just dying.

[Don LaGreca]

It was Alan. You know I don't know if you ever covered A game in Vegas. I think you were done by the time they came into the league.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Only summer league they do this whole.

[Don LaGreca]

Like night sword fight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've seen it.

[Don LaGreca]

It's a big deal. So they're rehearsing and they're making all this noise and I'm. During the show, I'm screaming down, stop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Stop.

[Gary Myers]

Shut up. I hope you lose by six.

[Don LaGreca]

And they lost.

[Gary Myers]

It was.

[Don LaGreca]

It was close. They got killed. The Rangers killed them.

[Gary Myers]

I can't believe Don just asked if there's a chance Al around hockey for the Golden Knights.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, my. My last experience with hockey was he.

[Gary Myers]

Was with the Hartford Whale before.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Before the lockout. Sidney Crosby was drafted.

[Don LaGreca]

That's it.

[Gary Myers]

I mean, this is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is.

[Gary Myers]

The golden knights are what, 12 years.

[Don LaGreca]

Old, 10 years old, 20, 18. Yeah, they're. They're not seven, eight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They just already have a cup in their pocket which is unreal.

[Don LaGreca]

And you know, a Stanley cup final final appearance and a cop.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

And made the playoffs every year but one. And the one year they didn't make it was literally on the last day of the season. Right. No, it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the Sabres can't.

[Don LaGreca]

Can't get it right going on 15 years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We've got a nice staircase going right now. Staircase. Oh, wow. Yeah, we've got.

[Gary Myers]

We've got.

[Alan Hahn]

Peter.

[Gary Myers]

Oh, sorry.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There we go.

[Gary Myers]

That's my fault. I adjusted it.

[Don LaGreca]

I can end all of this by just flipping the light on in. In my boot. No, you're about. But. But I'm digging this. What do you think, Peter?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you go. You're like. You're almost in full darkness at some points.

[Gary Myers]

You really could do, baby.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You could do though, like a really good. Like Tullamore. Do you know it's Tully time. But with your. With the voice that you wanted to use yesterday that shook some people.

[Gary Myers]

Yeah, I don't know.

[Don LaGreca]

We're gonna. And you know what I said I got two more cracks at it. They. Anthony did not give me the Telemore du rig.

[Gary Myers]

Well, you could do, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll tell you what. It is Game time. It is. Brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey because Donnie, when it's game time, it's shutty time.

[Don LaGreca]

I was gonna do a new one. I was. Yeah, we're not on the same page anymore.

[Gary Myers]

It all fell apart, huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guys, Guys, put our hands in. Here we go. 1, 2, 3.

[Gary Myers]

Let's be good.

[Alan Hahn]

I think that happened at 2:30.

[Don LaGreca]

Listen, I'm not even sure good's on the table anymore.

[Gary Myers]

Oh, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's, let's be okay.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's be, let's be okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's just get through it. Let's be okay.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's get one two three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's get to seven or six thirty today.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. How about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, the Knicks visit the Hornets. Hey, you want to get excited? It's an NBA cup game. Hell yeah. I know. Coverage immediately follows us right here on 880 on ESPN. New York at 6 30. The Rangers, they take on the Hurricanes in Carolina at that coverage you can get on 1050. That's also at 6:30. You can also hear St. John's Auburn in the Players Era Festival on ESPN. New York's app at 7:40. That's right. Note the start time. 7:40. And then Don's Devils hosting the Blues at Seth the Blues making The Tri State era run. Here they are. That game is at 7:00'.

[Don LaGreca]

Clock.

[Peter Rosenberg]

7:08 putt drop down.

[Don LaGreca]

That's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And not to be, not to be done. We have a very busy slate last night. Nothing tonight everyone. Last but not least, the Islanders take on the Bruins out on the island. That is at 7 o' clock as well. Telemurdu. The original, original triple distilled, triple blended, triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemurdo or try the new Telemurdu honey during today's action. Glasses up to enjoying Tullamore Dew responsibly.

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Gary Myers]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want.

[Alan Hahn]

Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Sometimes you just can't take it anymore.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is let's Talk About It Tuesday with Don Hahnen, Rose Rosenberg. All right, let's talk about it with you at 800-919-3776. Something you need to get off your chest. I am looking into the YouTube chat here, and I'm realizing that we are getting close to five o', clock, right? And so some people are. They're calling it a day. And we've got Bruce having some ale. We have. Somebody opened up a pbr. I know they saw that on the chat somewhere. I'm trying to find.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When was the last time you had a pbr, man?

[Don LaGreca]

I don't know if I ever did. He's nothing against it. I just don't think I've ever had the opportunity.

[Gary Myers]

I don't know if I've ever had a pbr.

[Don LaGreca]

I've had a Milwaukee's Best.

[Gary Myers]

That's Beast, baby.

[Don LaGreca]

Not even an Old Milwaukee. Milwaukee's Best. I had a Stroz back in the day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, man. Remember the dog, Alex?

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Gary Myers]

Okay, so I didn't. I didn't drink. And of course, I didn't drink it all in the era of my friends drinking Beast. Like, I remember when that was a thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Beast. Don, do you remember the era of the. The microbrews when they first started coming through like Pete's Wicked Ale?

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, Anchor Steam and all these different, like, these different beers that came. I. I had a friend of mine. It's like, he would only, like that became like, you couldn't drink a Bud or otherwise. You were just a normal dude. Like, you had to be cool and find something that was more like microbrew style. And you pretend to like it, and you realize, I don't like it.

[Don LaGreca]

That wasn't very good. Yeah, and you stuck with the classics.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, and by the way, the boubong is also on its way.

[Gary Myers]

People are lighting well, you know, we are the show of high.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep, we are. We don't mind that. That's okay. We like it. It's actually, we probably are funnier that way. But let's talk about it with you at 800-919-3776. And Griffin wants to talk about it with us today. Hey, Griff, what's up?

[Don LaGreca]

What's up, baby.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, guys. First off, have a great Thanksgiving.

[Don LaGreca]

Oh, you too, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Family.

[Alan Hahn]

I need to get this off my chest. And Michael said this earlier today on the show, but the amount of people that take Facebook and Twitter or. And just post things that aren't true is driving me crazy.

[Don LaGreca]

That's terrible.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it's the Polo Neil thing. You got somebody yesterday, earlier, my mom was looking at Facebook and goes, she knows in the hospital. No, someone just decided to just post it for fun. Why do we do this? Why do. Do people not have anything better in life than just posting these things over and over again? Driving me crazy. Why we throw this false allocations out in this world. Why can't we be nice? And I do these type of things. It's cruel.

[Don LaGreca]

Stuff was bad. Anybody that missed it, I guess there was, I think originated on Facebook, according to Michael, and eventually got to other platforms on social media that was battling cancer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

And he was. And Michael reached out to him and Paul was ticked off and. And he wanted to make sure that everybody knew that that was not the case. I don't know why anybody would think that's funny or interesting.

[Gary Myers]

That's all the bad news in the world. And people decide, let's make up some more.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, again, it's to get the reaction. Like, you'd be. You'd be amazed now what has happened. Like, Facebook has become a waste of time because what you see are a lot of like. Like content accounts that put out false headlines just to get you to click on it. And I mean, I've seen things, like a lot of NBA stuff where you see something completely, like, outrageous, and you're like, that is not real. But there are people who think it is because it's on the Internet. It's got to be true. Right. They fall for it. It's almost as bad as some of the AI videos. But that's even worse because it's just. It's strictly clickbait. And so a story like that, there's somebody behind it that's just giggling like crazy, thinking it's funny that people fell for it and nobody got hurt. Nobody got hurt. Oh, so what? It's just some fun. I got a bunch of likes and it helped me get closer to whatever type of revenue I could get because Facebook now sees me as somebody that's a content creator with a big audience. It's so. It's. It's. It's dangerous, though, because there are people that don't know and they think it's real and they fall for it. And at some point there'll be something that will affect somebody negatively because of it.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, and I think one of the worst things was when they got rid of the blue check or didn't get rid of it, but all you had to do was pay for paying for.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Blue check on Twitter.

[Don LaGreca]

There was at least a chance that, all right, I can, I can kind of vet this to see if at least the person tweeting this is real, it's really them. And now you just look and the habit is, oh, it's got a blue check. And then you see the guy's got like three followers because he just paid the seven bucks a month or whatever it is to get it right. And that to me is when it ceased to become, you know, journalism or a legitimate news outlet. It still can be because. Yeah, but you have to.

[Gary Myers]

Adam, shelf careful.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, but you got to be careful. And it's so. Because all you had to do is you see that blue check and you knew, hey, there was at least some credibility to the person that was tweeting this. It could be, could, could still end up being wrong, but then it would be on them, Right?

[Gary Myers]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

Getting the information wrong. Now it's on you for not vetting it. And then if I got a vet it man, then it's obviously not a legitimate form of journalism.

[Gary Myers]

And by the way, now, now you, now you're making me turn that guy just into Elon Musk. Because doing that was such a ridiculous thing. Yeah, like the dude already has so much money and the platform already makes so much money by doing that to make a few extra bucks. Do you guys, like see the forest through the trees to get the $7 to ruin it was this built in thing that made it awesome.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It destroyed the credibility of the black.

[Gary Myers]

You can feel comfortable. Literally, like you look up and you say, oh, that's a big rumor. Oh, there's a check. And you knew they're from an outlet. They have some sort of standing in the world that should make them something. And now it's gone. And so you have to check every time. Oh, it wasn't spilled. And now everyone gets sports pickled.

[Don LaGreca]

Where?

[Gary Myers]

Oh, it's Sports center, but there's a zero in the middle. But you can't tell because there's a blue check. Yeah, it was just such a weird, stupid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It really did turn. It was one of the moments where a lot of things, media wise, did really turn. That was one. Because you're right, Peter. It was somewhere you at least had some semblance of trust. And now you really don't. But yet people do still fall for because they want to trust some of the crazy information because you want to believe some of the wildest stories. Eric in Great Neck has a story. It's about Leon Lett. Eric.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, guys. Happy Thanksgiving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Likewise.

[Alan Hahn]

So funny story for you. I grew up in Charleston, South Carolina. I was a lifelong Dolphins fan. In fact, my son Daniel was born on Dan Marino's birthday. We named him Daniel. And anyway, in 1993, on Thanksgiving, I was engaged to be married and my fiance was with us in Charleston and her parents were driving up or down from New York down to Charleston to meet my parents for the very first time. So Leon let play happens. About 10 seconds later, the doorbell rings and they enter my house into a bout of pandemonium. And this is their first time meeting my parents. It was like, you couldn't have set up a crazier scene if you, if you scripted it for months. It was absolutely out of control, wild. And, you know, we still got married and 32 years later, everything.

[Peter Rosenberg]

God bless.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, all's survived that crazy scene.

[Don LaGreca]

It was definitely one of those plays that you remember where you were. I know Peter doesn't remember it, but didn't even happen.

[Gary Myers]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Gary Myers]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Gary Myers]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Here, more of Don Allen and Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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