Hour 2: Giants Expectations & Thursday Rewrite

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast Summary
Episode: Hour 2: Giants Expectations & Thursday Rewrite
Release Date: July 17, 2025

Hosts: Don LaGreca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg
Focus: New York Sports, Giants’ Season Expectations, and Revisiting Historic Sports Moments with Modern Technology

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Giants Expectations

Coaching and Management Overhaul

The primary focus of this episode centers on the New York Giants' upcoming season, particularly scrutinizing the team's management and coaching strategies. Don LaGreca and Peter Rosenberg delve into the ongoing debate surrounding the potential replacement of both the General Manager (Joe Shane) and the Head Coach (Brian Daboll).

• Solid Ground for Coaching Transition: Don shares his perspective on the current standings of the coaching staff, stating, "[...] I think Shane's on more solid ground than Daboll's" (04:15). This reflects a growing sentiment that while both individuals are under pressure, Daboll's position appears more precarious given recent team performances.

• Draft and Free Agency Critique: The hosts commend Daboll's acumen in drafting players like Matt Fitzpatrick but express skepticism about his ability to sustain success, especially in light of his strained relationship with coordinator Wink Martindale. Peter asserts, "He did not manage, in my opinion, his relationship with Wink Martindale well at all" (05:35).

Season Performance and Win Predictions

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the Giants' challenging schedule and realistic win expectations.

• Challenging Schedule Analysis: Don highlights the difficulty of the Giants' upcoming games, mentioning, "everybody knows it" regarding their tough opponents, including teams like Washington, Dallas, Kansas City, Chargers, Saints, and the Eagles (07:18). This schedule sets the stage for limited win opportunities.

• Win Estimates: The hosts debate reasonable win totals, with Don suggesting that winning more than five games is crucial while acknowledging the difficulty, stating, "I do agree you got to win some games. You can't go out there and win three games again" (08:28). Peter counters with optimism, predicting, "I think the Giants are going to get 10 wins" (10:55).

Quarterback Situation: Russell Wilson vs. Jackson Dart

A critical aspect of the Giants' season outlook is the quarterback conundrum between veteran Russell Wilson and rookie Jackson Dart.

• Transition Timing: Don discusses the strategic decision of transitioning to Dart, especially in a challenging season, noting, "if you're 2 and 7 and going to the 24th overall pick in the draft to be your quarterback and then you're going to be at Chicago" (13:00).

• Impact on Future Seasons: Peter emphasizes the importance of establishing a long-term quarterback, stating, "but you also have to come at the end of the season and think to ourselves, this kid that we moved up in the draft to draft to be our next quarterback, he's the good and we feel good about it going forward" (19:17).

Organizational Culture and Priorities

The conversation extends to the broader organizational culture, highlighting the need for a cohesive team and effective management to navigate the tough season ahead.

• Focus Beyond Wins: Don advocates for a holistic approach, saying, "you go deeper than just the wins and loss and just how does it look? How does the team play?" (16:34). This underscores the importance of team dynamics and execution over mere statistics.

• Maintaining Stability: Peter underscores the necessity of stability within the organization, asserting, "you have to grade with a curve if you are John Mara and if you're a Giants fan" (15:59).

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Thursday Rewrite

Reimagining Historic Moments with Modern Technology

The "Thursday Rewrite" segment invites listeners to contemplate how contemporary technologies like instant replay and advanced analytics could have altered pivotal moments in sports history.

Notable Examples Discussed:

1. Immaculate Reception (NFL)

   • Scenario: The famous catch by Franco Harris that secured a victory for the Steelers.
   • Impact of Replay: Don speculates, "You don't see the ball disappears out of the screen... would have been able to see" (30:26), suggesting that modern replay technology could have clarified the legitimacy of the play.

2. 1996 ALCS Game (MLB)

   • Scenario: Jeffrey Maier's controversial home run call in the Yankees vs. Orioles series.
   • Replay Reversal: Peter and Don agree that replay would have likely overturned the call, potentially altering the Yankees' championship trajectory (40:27).

3. Dez Bryant Catch (NFL)

   • Scenario: The disputed catch in the 2014 NFC divisional playoff between the Cowboys and Packers.
   • Technological Advantage: Don remarks, "I think that is... reversed it because minimally, replay should have seen it" (44:49).

Listener Contributions:

• Jimmy from Connecticut: Points out the 1996 ALCS incident, advocating for video review that would have overturned perceived bad calls (40:29).

• Vinnie Rutherford: Brings up the "phantom foul" involving Hubert Davis in the Bulls' 1995 season, highlighting how replay could have provided clarity (43:00).

Implications of Technological Interventions:

The hosts collectively ponder the broader implications of these technological advancements, questioning whether altering historical outcomes would diminish the authenticity or spontaneity of sports. Don concludes, "it's so grainy, there's no way you even could tell" (35:08), emphasizing the potential for technology to refine but also complicate the unadulterated spirit of historic plays.

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Additional Conversations and Interactions

Beyond the main topics, the hosts engage in light-hearted interactions, showcasing their camaraderie and behind-the-scenes dynamics.

• Apology to Jordan Ronan: Don LaGreca personally apologizes to Jordan Ronan for mishearing his name during the morning show segment, leading to a humorous and heartfelt exchange (21:39).

• "Name That Tune" Segment: The hosts also introduce a brief musical challenge, where they attempt to identify songs quickly, adding an entertaining twist to the episode (38:35).

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Conclusion

In "Hour 2: Giants Expectations & Thursday Rewrite," Don, Hahn & Rosenberg provide an insightful analysis of the New York Giants' prospects amidst a challenging schedule and internal management debates. Simultaneously, their "Thursday Rewrite" segment invites listeners to reimagine pivotal sports moments through the lens of modern technology, sparking reflection on how advancements could reshape sporting history. The episode blends deep sports analysis with engaging, relatable conversations, making it a compelling listen for both die-hard fans and casual enthusiasts.

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Notable Quotes:

• Don LaGreca (04:15): "I think Shane's on more solid ground than Daboll's."
• Peter Rosenberg (19:17): "We have to come at the end of the season and think to ourselves, this kid that we moved up in the draft to draft to be our next quarterback..."
• Don LaGreca (07:18): "everybody knows it" regarding their tough schedule.
• Peter Rosenberg (10:55): "I think the Giants are going to get 10 wins."

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Note: All timestamps correspond to the provided transcript segments for reference.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I remember the Traverse City, but I.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

I already got a Lee board. How much do you expect me to do? Let me. Let me see how my. How my boy's doing. What was it again, Christian?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How chew.

[Don LaGreca]

What is it? Bizoot now? How we doing here?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think.

[Don LaGreca]

Wait a minute. I need to find out. No, it's really not about him. I need to know what's happening with our boy Harris English. And he's on 16. He's still four under. Come on, English. I need you to get on top of the leaderboard. So I just have to give your name and not list a bunch of people I don't know. Am I supposed to know any of these people?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

Jacob Skav Olsen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why. Honestly, other than Fitzpatrick, I don't know. You just read the names of people and you go from there.

[Don LaGreca]

Matt Fitzpatrick? Sure, I could say that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don LaGreca]

Christian Bizutnhout Scheffler's hanging around three under that's yeah, we need, we need Scheffler to all of a sudden care and get to like five under but we won't worry about that. That's a little bit later. That's a little bit later on. But earlier today you got to listen to our morning show. It is tremendous with Rick and Dave, but they do take an inordinate amount of time off and Rick is out this week or at least today he was out and Jordan Ronan worked and we had Jordan during the beach bash and he's not just a football guy but he's got a lot of other things on his mind. But of course Dave being good talk show host, wanted to tap into his giant expertise. So he said a couple of things on DNR earlier today which in case you wanted to catch up on everything, just go to the app and re listen to it. Jordan said John Mara knows he's doing a bad job. He willingly will admit to you. I mean when he talks to us as a media, he's basically like, yeah, I haven't done a good enough job putting the right people in place. That's why he didn't really want to turn it around again and be like I got another one which I get. But I mean he has, it's a bad look, man. He has confidence in the processes that he's seen. Could one go without the other? I think so. So they Shane is on more sturdy ground in my this is just my opinion based on things that you hear from when John Maurer and ownership talk and the actions over the past few years. Like it feels like he's more confident that the processes by the front office are fixed. Coaching to be determined you gotta do the Until I see the results I have a hard time fully believe like yeah it looks great. They, he, they put together a 3 and 14 team. Yeah. But I do agree with him even though he seemed to have doubts himself that Shane's on more solid ground than Dable. I think the resume is better for Shane than Dable now even though Dable was coach of the year in 2022.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What a shame.

[Don LaGreca]

Look at some of the talent that he's been able to. He had a couple of good free agent classes. I think his draft has been good. Everybody is praising him drafting back into the first round for Darth. If I had to think of one of the two of them are going to go, wouldn't you bet it'd be Dable over Shane?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would think. Well, I would think you'd just do all of it.

[Don LaGreca]

I know that I agree with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But John Maris already made it clear when he told us the story last year after they were promoting the documentary about the Giants history. And he saw that his father famously talking about patience and the importance of being patient and was something that he even admitted he wasn't. And John almost had an epiphany after seeing that and saying, you know, I got to give it more time because they have turned over things in the Giant organization. Just. It just feels like every two years they're just turning it over. So he bought a little bit of time for this group that you would think he would want to at least have some stability by saying to Joe Shane, all right, you stay, because these are your players. We got to find a coach that can coach these guys. Because I still say my knock on Brian Dable is not anything about wins and losses or what the offense looks like because they have not had enough talent on the field. My issue was he did not manage, in my opinion, his relationship with Wink Martindale well at all.

[Don LaGreca]

No, that was poor Wink.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wink was hard to deal with because he's bombastic and we know this. But that defense was good and he knew that at least I had a defense. And Wink had a problem with the offense and the way they did things. And he was going to voice his opinion because he's been around a long time and he's done some winning. So you, as a head coach, the CEO, can't take it personal. He did. And you got rid of a really good defensive coordinator and your defense went to hell after that.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, the ego definitely got in the way there. Hey, listen, I'm not telling you that it's solid ground that Shane's on. I just think it's more solid than the ground that Dable's on. And I'm with you. I think the odds are they both go.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If I.

[Don LaGreca]

If I had to rate, I'd say, one, they both get fired. Two would be Shane stays and Dable goes. I give almost no shot to Dable staying in Shane being gone, that doesn't make any sense to me. You don't keep the coach and let the GM go. Maybe you let the coach go and the GM stays and gets to pick another coach. So I think the third option, there's no shot of that. The likelihood is they have a poor season, they're both gone. But could I see a scenario where season's not great, but there's a ton of talent there, but there was a lot of coaching decisions that left a lot to be desired and the Decision is to let Dable going and give Shane another kick at the can with the coach. I think the odds are better that that happened than the other way around. This one I thought was interesting though. How many games do Shane and Dable need to win? The reason Russell Wilson is here and Jameis Winston are here is because they know they to a degree have to win some games and they thought that was their best option to be able to win some games this season. What's ultimately building? What's some games? Seven. Seven is good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Seven is good.

[Don LaGreca]

I think they had if seven dart plays and five is super questionable. But it has to. I feel like they know that they really kind of need to win more than five games. God, it's so hard to do that though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

More than five.

[Don LaGreca]

Wait a minute now think of that. I hate to have these conversations because I think you need to see what it looks like. I think it's just too lazy to just say you've got to win X amount of games. Well, I need to see what it looks like because sometimes you might play the best game of the year and lose and sometimes you might play awful and you find a way to win. Now, I do agree you got to win some games. You can't go out there and win three games again. But is there a world that they can win five games and just look way better than they did last year? When you take a look at their schedule, everybody knows it. At Washington, at Dallas, home against Kansas City, Chargers come in at Saints home against the Eagles. I mean, right there, six weeks, you're lucky to be one in one in five. Is it possible that you're one in five and you look great, you're in every game, the other team just happy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Don LaGreca]

But if you're going to put a.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number on it, the problem is the execution.

[Don LaGreca]

So you got to win seven games. Do you really think there's a world, especially if dart ends up playing a bulk of games in the second half of the season? Is there a world where the Giants are going to finish 7 and 10 with a rookie quarterback?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Probably not. That's, I think the more important part of it, don't you think the more important part of it is what does it look like once you make that move to dart? Because we can all agree that at some point this season they're going to make the move to dart. So that that goes beyond, I think, record. By the way, I'm looking here at the Giant schedule and just an overview of the odds in each game because the Buffalo Bills are the only team in the NFL this coming season is favored to win every single game. Every game.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're favored to win the Giants. I'm looking at here. I don't see a game that they are favored to win the entire season.

[Don LaGreca]

Because the, the quote unquote.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Commander, I'll just give you the lines real quick. I'll go through it fast and you tell me if you agree or disagree with any of them.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Commanders are right now favored by six and a half.

[Don LaGreca]

Although this has to be assuming, I guess Vegas is assuming that Russell Wilson is your quarterback, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

Because I have to believe if Jackson Dart is starting quarterback in Washington, the spread would be a lot larger than six and a half.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay. This is the current odds for every game this year. Okay, Commander? Six and a half.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cowboys four and a half. Chiefs six and a half. Chargers three and a half. There is nothing for at New Orleans. So I don't know if that's pick them or whatever, but there's no line for that.

[Don LaGreca]

There's probably not enough information. Home against the Eagles.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Eagles by seven at Denver Broncos seven and a half at Eagles. Eagles ten and a half. Home against the Niners. Niners three and a half at Bears. Bears five and a half. Home against the Packers. Packers four and a half at Detroit Lions eight and a half at New England. You don't know what they're going to be. It's a Monday night game, Patriots 3. So that's again, they've probably just given because of the home team.

[Don LaGreca]

That's the best odds.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, they're the home team.

[Don LaGreca]

Careful, Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want to be too negative about the Giants on this show. It's dangerous because if you say that they're not going to be good, you're too negative. Am I missing something?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys got on me last year when I said the Giants were barely.

[Don LaGreca]

Going to win five games because you're always negative.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is. You know what I think 10 wins this year. I think the Giants are going to get 10 wins. Now you're making fun of us. Maybe 11 undefeated commanders, four and a half. Vikings again at home. That's two and a half. Ooh, yeah. These are Raiders at Raiders two and a half. And Cowboys finished the season at home against Dallas and the Cowboys right now one and a half.

[Don LaGreca]

Because they're probably.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You have no idea who's going to.

[Don LaGreca]

Play that because they're probably thinking nobody's going to care. So. So the, so the best odds are the week 18.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, so they're favored in one game this season. It's the Saints.

[Don LaGreca]

And there was no line.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's no line that I can see. So they're not right. So they're not the underdog.

[Don LaGreca]

So how. So you look at that and again, if you are going to. And it's, it's folly to put numbers on in July and what things are going to look like in December.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's projecting.

[Don LaGreca]

But I think you're projecting and that's with Russell Wilson at quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. And you know, at some point that's not going to be the case.

[Don LaGreca]

And let's just say best case scenario, Jackson Dart has a phenomenal preseason, great camp, looks great in the preseason.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're going to give him every chance to do it.

[Don LaGreca]

All right, let's say. All right, so he does that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don LaGreca]

And I think it's on the table with, at Washington, at Dallas, home against Kansas City, home against the Chargers, at the Saints and then Philadelphia comes in that this could be a team traveling to Denver. That could be one in five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not the game though to me. You cannot, you can't play dart until at, at the earliest. November, week nine. Can't do it.

[Don LaGreca]

Okay, so week, because you're playing the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Eagles twice in a three week span, you're not having that kid.

[Don LaGreca]

But you got to find, you got to find a place like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, at Bears, November 9th might be your best place. So, so even though they're, they're.

[Don LaGreca]

The point, I'm saying is that if in week 10 you're going to Jackson Dark, you're doing it because you're 2 and 7.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

So if you're 2 and 7 and going to the 24th overall pick in the draft to be your quarterback and then you're going to be at Chicago, home against Green Bay, at Detroit, at New England, by.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, so what are you getting? He said, are you getting to seven?

[Don LaGreca]

Seven.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He said seven wins. He said no, he said five.

[Don LaGreca]

Didn't he say north of five? But he's like seven was a number. I'll play it again. Just so we have it. The reason Russell Wilson is here and Jameis Winston are here is because they know they to a degree have to win some games and they thought that was their best option to be able to win some games this season. What's ultimately building what some games? Seven. Seven is good. Seven is good. I think they had if 70 dart plays and five are super questionable. But it has. I feel like they know that they really kind of need To. So five is seven. So you're, you're looking at having to win north of five games. Schedules tough with that schedule. So you're telling me if this team went 5 and 12, but in the 12 losses, they're in the game, they don't embarrass themselves, they just lose to a better team. You know, they beat the Raiders, they beat the Saints, you know, they beat the Patriots. But you know what, you play it, you play a tough game in Buffalo, you lose the game 20 to 17. No, that's a precinct. I'm sorry, like commanders or like you go to Detroit, say, and you lose 20 to 17, you're telling me you're not going to take that as a win? If you're a Giant fan, you went to Detroit against a real good alliance team, you're an eight and a half point dog, and you lose the game by three. That's why I just think it's kind of just, oh, you got to win more than five games. I need to know what it looks like. I need to know the team's moving in the right direction. So I don't want to put a number on it. I want to know what it looks like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think you can.

[Don LaGreca]

I don't think it's fair. No, it's easy. I just. Listen, you could do it at whatever you want. I think it's lazy to just say, oh, they got to win north of. They got to win six, seven games, otherwise I'm blowing it up. All right, with that kind of a schedule and they, and they play their hearts out and they just happen to lose on last second field goals. Now the argument's going to be, well, if you're Brian Dable, you got to start winning some of the close games. But if I'm at Detroit, I'm at Dallas, I'm at Philadelphia, and I'm playing my heart out and I don't embarrass myself and I lose by less than a touchdown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I.

[Don LaGreca]

You're going to fire me?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, see, here's why. Here's your argument against it. And if you're John Mara, here's exactly why you have to take this stuff into consideration. The Giants have the hardest schedule. Strength of schedule, right. It's the hardest in the league. Okay, let's start there. Their opponents next season, a combined record of 166 and 123. Last season, 166 and 123. They're playing good teams. Yes, the Bears and the Lions have the second most difficult schedule Strength of schedule. And you play both of them and the Eagles are the next and you play them too. So the Giants on their schedules are probably why their schedules aren't as tough. Because the Giants are on their schedule.

[Don LaGreca]

Exactly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you have to understand that there, there is no other team that has a tougher road this season. So don't you have to grade with a curb if you are John Merritt and if you're a Giants fan.

[Don LaGreca]

But I also can't say seven wins.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When they have the toughest schedule and not the strongest 28th best roster in the league.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're not going to be.

[Don LaGreca]

I think it's getting better. I think their defense could be very good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It could be. Okay, you want to say what? They're in the bottom third.

[Don LaGreca]

I would think.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Roster.

[Don LaGreca]

I would think. Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don LaGreca]

Now, with all the football that we talk and consume as a country, we're just going to get lazy and just put a win total. The way that we dissect football, you turn on ESPN, they're dissecting. There's lists, the top 10 strong side linebackers we dissect into a fine powder, the NFL. So I can't look at the team that I root for and just go deeper than just the wins and loss and just how does it look? How does the team play? Is it cohesive? Do they turn the ball over? Are they making stupid mistakes?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is there a call other than just.

[Don LaGreca]

You got to win 6 games?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is there a standard developing? Is there a culture developing? Are we seeing momentum starting to turn here?

[Don LaGreca]

Because I would tell you, winning three games, you know, over the last couple of years the way that they have, they have looked like a dysfunctional franchise that had no idea what they're doing. Forget about the record. I didn't need to know what their record was. Even if they stumbled in a couple of other wins that they shouldn't have, I still would have been disgusted because they couldn't play the game of football. At times they looked like the worst team and in football history.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There were not a well organized offense, that's for sure.

[Don LaGreca]

But now I could be. I could be well organized. I can cut down on my penalties. I can get better quarterback play and still lose when I look at that schedule.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But what else is part of this year's priority?

[Don LaGreca]

Well, the priority has to be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Winning is a part of the priority. What you just said there, too. Now, let's take Joe Shane out of the equation because his work mostly is done right. The draft, free agency, continuing to build forward Advancing the cause. Right? That's all that stuff to me, he's already handled. This is now up to Brian Dabel to now start to have a team that can execute at a high level. Even though you might not have enough talent. Maybe you'll get out talented, but don't get out, execute out work all that stuff as a coach you want. Like you said, it's got to be the visual. It's got to be. I'm watching that. You know, that's a well coached team. You know, they play hard, they just don't have a talent, but they play hard. They don't have, they execute well, they don't make mistakes, they don't shoot themselves in the foot, they don't, they don't have a lot of like their own errors. Right? Yeah, the self inflicted, Self inflicted wounds. Exactly. So if you're, if you see all of that, that's a priority this year. Let's go forward feeling like we got the right people. That's one. But I don't think that's number one. I think for the coach, that is. But we also have to come at the end of the season and think to ourselves, this kid that we moved up in the draft to draft to be our next quarterback, he's the goods and we feel good about it going forward. Then you don't make any changes.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, I mean that's the best case scenario. What I was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We don't know about him.

[Don LaGreca]

What I was going to say is I want to know at some point during the season with confidence who my opening day quarterback in 2026 is going to be. Now the reason I'm not saying dart is because what if Russell Wilson finds it? What if Russell Wilson plays well? Is there a scenario that Russell Wilson wanted that too?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Denver and Pittsburgh wanted both those scenarios. Don.

[Don LaGreca]

Didn't happen. So I'm not, I'm not saying it's going to happen, but. Is there a but?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think there's.

[Don LaGreca]

Let's say he plays well and then you say, you know what, I don't have to rush dart. I'm not going to play him because we're winning games and that maybe Russell Wilson is found in the second act something to play that, that could be a scenario. Or Dart comes in, plays well and I was like, all right, I got my quarterback. You've got to be able to say I've got my quarterback. You're going nowhere in this league unless you know who your quarterback is. In all likelihood, that is Jackson Dart. I need to See that? And in order for me to see that, I probably have to lose some games to get him in sooner or later. So now you're shooting yourself in the foot again because now what you're hoping for, your ultimate goal is I want Jackson Dart to be my starting quarterback. That only happens if you start losing early and looking how tough their schedule is through the first six weeks. In all likelihood, you're probably going to be a 1 in 5 football team itching to get him in. And then I find the quarterback and the quarterback plays well. But because you only win five games, I'm going to now give Jackson Dart another offensive coordinator, another head coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why I don't think you.

[Don LaGreca]

That's why you can't attach to the wins and losses.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, you can't attach the wins and losses. It has to be attached to what it looks like and the vibe that you have in the organization. And if the kid doesn't, doesn't get to a point where he's playing where either you don't think he's ready or he's physically not able to or maybe even get sir, then you can make a change. Because be honest, if he hasn't played yet, the next coach can handle it. The next coach can take it from there. It's, you know, you can't keep all. There's too many different systems. We've seen this before, guys have overcome it. But I just think for Brian Dabel especially, but Joe Shane too, because this is part of the. You have to have yourself functioning like an organization that is heading in the right direction and that is clear as day.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm gonna do something unprecedented. Bear with me. Where do I put the phone when I wanna put it on the microphone?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Use the bottom. You're calling someone.

[Don LaGreca]

I'm calling Jordan Ronan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's a top. No, it's not the top.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, why am I hearing it better on the top? I don't even know what it is. Hello, Jordan, it's Don legrecker from Don Hahn and Rosenberg. Oh, hello, guys. We're just talking about the sound that you produced during the morning show. And great job filling in for Rick by. Thank you, I appreciate it, but I. But somebody alerted me to something and I'm actually disgusted with myself and I wanted to be able to reach out to you. I tried to get Anthony to call you to come on proper but you didn't answer the text. So I just decided to call you rogue on my cell phone, let him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Know he's on the air.

[Don LaGreca]

No you're on the air. He knows I'm on the air. He knows what time I'm on the air.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He doesn't know we're on the air right now.

[Don LaGreca]

So suffering Jim tweeted, oh, boy. We need the audio of Jordan ran on discussing this morning that he text Don Lagreca and got a response. Thanks, John. Oh, and my stomach sank.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, no.

[Don LaGreca]

I guess you congratulated me on the devil gig and I wanted to get back to everyone. I was inundated with text messages and I know your name's Jordan and I love your work and I think you're exceptionally talented. So you deserve better than that. And I was gonna text you, but I'm saying, you know what? It make for good radio. Yeah. But also I wanted to be able to just on person, live in front of anybody, everybody say, I'm really sorry. You deserve better than that. I shouldn't have text back. Thanks, John. I am saddened by this and I hope you accept my apology. An apology is definitely not. Not needed in this circumstance, Don. It's. It is a funny. It's a funny thing. You know, it's a funnier shot sometimes. You know, people make mistakes. It happens. You. You laugh it off and you don't take it personally, which I. I did not take it personally. Were you angry on the air? Was it at least performative anger? There was no anger on the air. Okay, I brought it up. I brought it up and I said. I, I, I couched it with. I know Don was probably had a thousand texts, but he did say John. And that is. It was. It is funny. It was funny. Like, if I was actually insulted, I would have. I don't know if you guys can appreciate this is that everybody was texting me, congratulating me. And I want to get back to everybody, but I don't want to just say thanks, thanks. So I want to personalize it like, thanks, Jordan. Thanks, Alan. Thanks. Thanks, Michael. Yeah, no, I. And I said, Dave actually was like, no, you need to personalize it, band. And I was like, honestly, I think that's actually fine in this situation because I know you're probably responding to a thousand things. And actually, here's the other thing. And I mentioned this too, so I'm clearly not insulted, doc. But I do appreciate the apology. That obviously shows what kind of man you are. But I said, you're so inundated with people at the time, and I didn't know. And that it really hadn't got out yet. I had just opened my phone and I. And I saw the press release, and so actually it was like a minute before you even went on air with it. And I didn't know. And then actually I had just gotten the car. I saw it. So I sent you a text thinking that it was already out for a while, not knowing this was like the minute that it was actually released. Well, you gave us a segment which we appreciate during this very busy time of the All Star break. Tremendous job this morning with Dave and we're looking forward to. I'm working. Forward to working with you in the future. I. I'm sorry. And I love you. We got, we got next week. No, no need for an apology. I love you regardless whether you call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Me John, you know, whatever.

[Don LaGreca]

Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it. So I, I just said to Anthony, I said, we got to get Jordan on because I screwed up his name and he couldn't get. So I just decided to go rogue and call him the Cell. I hope you're all right with that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm fine with it. Totally fine with it. I love that. No, we just go rogue. I thought, I thought Jordan had an opportunity, though, to have real, have fun with it. And he took the high road.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, he knows who he's dealing with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would have made you squirm.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. All right, I gotta admit, I'm gonna Full disclosure.

[Don LaGreca]

Back in time, Huey Lewis. That's two. Nothing. No, no, I'm joking.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, it doesn'. Guys, I love it. I love how jumpy you are, though. I love that he did it. And I'm so distracted because Don sitting here, he's. I think you've gone now. You've gone back for second helpings. I think John Winthrop has had at least three banana pudding that was made by Rosie that is out in the. The cap. The. The kitchen area. Out of this world. It's so good. I'm so distracted. So I spent so much time just enjoying that, that I said, oh, my God, the segments coming up, we got to rewrite history, right?

[Don LaGreca]

You take this seriously, ma'? Am.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I try to, but I gotta admit, like, there were a lot of things that, like, for me right now, what's going on in the world, there's not a lot of that coming up on my timeline or in my brain. But you know what has come up a lot with me, and since now we have the. We saw the abs in the All Star Game, right, Where you have the automated balls and strikes, where you can challenge balls and strikes. And it's fun to watch, it's fun to see, and it's nothing baseball is going to have next season. And I think I do this all the time. If you could take technology from today and go back in time to a game where, if we had that technology, there's no doubt in our minds, it probably changes the outcome of that game and maybe even the course of history in that sport for whatever reason, Champion again. We're not doing some regular, regular season game. So you're using this in a moment where, you know, I don't know, did the Titan, did the Titans break the plane? Like, like something, right? Something that Makes you say, wait a minute. We oorTurn this because 4K technology with our cameras or automated balls and strikes is another example where suddenly things have changed. So help me, Dom, because you are. You're so good with history, your recall is off the charts. It's one of the greatest I've ever seen. Do you have a moment that if I said you've got one that you can get into the DeLorean, the flux capacity, you could bring the technology to that time, then show everybody. No, no games. Not over. Watch this. What would it be?

[Don LaGreca]

Wow, there's a bunch of them that kind of hop to mind. You go back to the Immaculate Reception.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, right.

[Don LaGreca]

Great moments in Steeler history.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And the camera did not catch.

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The catch, though.

[Don LaGreca]

You don't see the ball disappears out of the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Out of the screen. But today we've got a million cameras are all 4k, so you'd be able to see. I wonder if AI could ever do that, just create a model of that play.

[Don LaGreca]

Probably could just look based on the angle of the ball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because there's.

[Don LaGreca]

That one certainly comes to mind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you ever wonder in the NFL in the 70s, mud all over the field, you can't even see the lines. And you know, running back is tackled and like, is it a first down or is it 4th and inches? How do you know? Right? How do you know? You just guess. It's a whole pile of humanity. I'm getting the ball and I'm putting it where I think I saw it, Right?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And how do we know that it's a first down or fourth and inches? We have like, you're just. That's all human error. So if you can think of it, and I invite everybody, let's do this together today. 800-919-3776. If you can think of a play.

[Don LaGreca]

That.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If I had today's technology, that play would have gone. It would have been reversed.

[Don LaGreca]

Well, the thing you think about, Game 6, 85 World Series, Don Denkinger, he was safe. Get called out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does.

[Don LaGreca]

Do the Cardinals come back and win that game and then they win the World Series. They don't lose in seven games to the Royals. So that takes a championship away from Kansas City. Right. The Immaculate Reception certainly comes to mind there clear confusion over that. I don't know if there's. Is there something. Well, in hockey, when you look at now that they can do the offside. Oh, yeah, you go back to the Islanders.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, 1980 butchering goal doesn't happen.

[Don LaGreca]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's offside.

[Don LaGreca]

And how Much does that change everything?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Leon Stickle.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. So maybe. Maybe the Flyers win that, steer that series. Right. That's game. That's the first.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Game six.

[Don LaGreca]

That's game six.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's game six. Yeah. That game was not decided, obviously, I went to overtime. But that was a big goal in the moment, because I think that's the goal that put them up two. Then they gave up the lead, which.

[Don LaGreca]

They had done a lot, but obviously it was overtime, so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but still the fallacy of the.

[Don LaGreca]

Predetermined outcome, then Bobby Nystrom doesn't score the goal. And listen, they might go on to win the series still.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Game 7 in Philly.

[Don LaGreca]

Game 7 in Philly, where nobody ever won.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don LaGreca]

You know, and now. Now. And think about. And think of the narrative of that, because now it's another year. The Islanders can't get it done right after.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now they were going to break that team up.

[Don LaGreca]

Goring scores the goal. And of course, Goring's part of the next three championships. So everybody looks at Goring joining that team when they couldn't beat the Leafs in 78, couldn't beat the Rangers in 79. Like they. They were the team that could win. They were like the Buffalo Bills of this era. And even the era where they lost four straight Super Bowls, just couldn't find a way to win. And then they rattle off four straight cups. But if they have the offside rule and they go to review and they take that goal away and the Flyers win that game six and then win game seven in Philly, do the other three championships just automatically happen? Or does it get in their head that they can't win?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, no, no, that's. That's one. That's a big one, that one. Because it. Does it stop a dynasty or start a dynasty that. That play? That's one. There's, you know, like, it's. There's the. You know, when birds. Bird steals an inbound pass from Isaiah Thomas, saves a game for the Celtics before. And they ended up beating the Pistons. The Pistons were right on the verge. They weren't ready yet. It's a famous play. You hear the broadcaster, Johnny, you know, he's like, yeah, Bird stole the ball, right?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you watch it quick, it does look like he steps out of bounds before he makes the pass. But you can't. It's so grainy.

[Don LaGreca]

There's no way to tell.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You just understand he's. He's clearly in bounds. But there's like little things like that. Like I always say, it's so grainy. There's no way that you even could tell. Even watching replays, like, you can't see it. But if you had 4K, it changes. There's so many plays in the history of sports that could be changed just because the technology is better. And how many things today that got overturned wouldn't if it happened a million years ago when you didn't have like. That's the part of sports. The technology of replay has changed so much of what outcomes could have been based on the past, which makes it so hard to compare present to past because of the fact that a play might not have been the same thing because they might have caught something that changed.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah. And it's so crazy because I'll watch games now and they'll replay. And it's such a part of our lives now, we just take it for granted. They're going to show the replay. Oh, they're going to overturn that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

But you ever, like, sit there and go, what if that runner was allowed to stay? It's how it would have changed the game. How would it change the season?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about a cold strike three?

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, that before the Hernandez strikeout against the Indians in 95. Right. That was like, way out the 97 when the Marlins won their first World Series. That was a foot outside, you know, another one. When you look at the replay of Don Larson's perfect game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, right.

[Don LaGreca]

That didn't look like a strike. Now, again, I don't remember what the count was. Maybe he strikes him out anyway. But if they had. If they had what they're going to institute now with the. With the strike zone. Does Don Larson have his perfect game? You know, and I'm not going to take it away from Zeb. He's on hold. We're going to go to him in a second. But the Galarraga perfect game, like, there's a lot of things that pop into my head, so if you've got any, give us a call. 1-800-919-37763.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What would rewrite history? If you could take today's technology and replays, like everything, they use the down markers in football, which, as you know, now they're going to be the rule. Like, that laser is going to be the rule where in, you know, the replays they have in the NBA to see if your foot's out of bounds, to see if there was a foul. You can now call for a review, and they can see if you fouled before the ball went out of bounds. They can see whose hand it went off of that never was possible. In the 70s and the 80s and most of the 90s, none of that stuff existed. How much would that have changed the game?

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don LaGreca]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don LaGreca]

I really. I mean just guessing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Eric Sermon yeah, I love this song too, but I haven't heard I don't think I've heard this in this has been a while well been a long time but it's a great I'm still a great sample though.

[Don LaGreca]

What we're doing is we're playing Name that tune coming into every segment and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm want to know Jake's playing everything Don knows and songs that I have heard once. Wait a minute.

[Don LaGreca]

He knew there was no shot I was getting that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's crazy because I thought you would.

[Don LaGreca]

Have had a shot at that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thought I'd have this one and I.

[Don LaGreca]

Had heard another song but scratched it because I'm like dunce actually gonna get this one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want you to set it up so that it's favoring one over the other. You should make it so that. Who can say it faster? Even John came. Like, for example.

[Don LaGreca]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is, I believe, what I saw. The anniversary of the movie Arthur famously. New York City movies with cross. Probably one of the greatest theme songs in movie history, would you say? Okay, so I was like, you know, like, that would be one. You and I, we'd fight over.

[Don LaGreca]

We'd be fighting over. But that one, that was all you, man. And you dropped.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I definitely was not. Because I'm too. I'm too locked into this thing right here. These different. So the Thursday rewrite today was simply. We're all trying to rewrite history. If we can get into the DeLorean flux capacitor and take today's replay technology, or what baseball used in the All Star Game, the ABS automatic automated balls and strikes, and go back in sports history, find a critical moment or historic moment that happened that our technology today might debunk, that might say, nope, calls reversed. And this history, this piece of history no longer exists.

[Don LaGreca]

All right, let's check it out. Let's go to Jimmy in Connecticut. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Jimmy?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Guys, what's going on?

[Don LaGreca]

So there's one I've always been curious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

About that's actually a local one game.

[Don LaGreca]

One of the 1996 ALCS. 8th inning jeters up at bat that the Yankees are down one run and the Jeffrey may happen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was it Tony Tasco who was the. Who's the umpire out there that. That called it. That called it a home run.

[Don LaGreca]

If you said it, I would know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Don LaGreca]

I was only two years old, but I'm well read on this stuff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So anyway, video reviewer, obviously.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah, apparently not. Yeah, video review would obviously have overturned that. And that was kind of the beginning of the Yankee dynasty. You know, if they lose game one, do they win that series? And I'm sure they win some championships, but maybe. Does it change the trajectory of how that all begins? It might. I mean, that just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's interesting.

[Don LaGreca]

They just. They looked like a team of destiny when that play had taken place. And if they reviewed it and took the home run away and they end up losing that game. Yeah, maybe. Maybe a lot doesn't happen. But I'll tell you what, Jimmy, it's so interesting. You said they would have reviewed it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Richie Garcia.

[Don LaGreca]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Somebody that we knew. Yeah.

[Don LaGreca]

And Jimmy said obviously they would have overturned it. I gotta tell you, I was. I just started working at the Fan July of that year. Mm. So doing updates in the overnight and, you know, the radio station would be beyond while I was doing updates. Yeah, like Joe Bidengo, beyond. Whatever. And of course, that was a major topic of conversation for days after. There were so many Yankee fans that called and said it was going to go out anyway, that Jeffrey Mayer didn't interfere. Tarasco never would have caught the ball. I'm like, the replay nuts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The replay clearly shows that Tarasco is camped out. You know what I did as a fan? I was. I loved it because for me, I'm like, yeah, screw them. We're the Yankees. We do this. You know, like, it's just. That was the sense I had. Like, you got one, put it in your pocket. That's.

[Don LaGreca]

That's just telling you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Felt like we got a gift all night. He's camped out and you see go over. Over him. There's no way real that they could not reverse that.

[Don LaGreca]

It was pretty crazy. And. And would that have changed the dynasty? You know, Pretty crazy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's.

[Don LaGreca]

It's a great one. How about Vinnie Rutherford? He's got a good one. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Vinny? Hey, guys. I got two for that. And then I got one more movie comment from yesterday. So for me, the replays are the foul on Hubert Davis and that Bull series the year Jordan was retired in 95. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I think the Bulls win that series. Oh, Hugh Hollins call on Hubert Davis you're talking about.

[Don LaGreca]

No, we lost.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is he talking about the quote unquote, phantom foul?

[Don LaGreca]

Are you still there, Vinnie? He got fouled. Was it the phantom foul you're talking on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On Hubert Davis? Yeah, because you. I've talked to Hubert Davis about this. We've had him on a couple of times on my other show. And he laughs when he says, of course I got fouled. All right, it's true. That's true.

[Don LaGreca]

He is the topic of conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's fair, though. I didn't have to say that. I could say, you know, I was talking to a former Nick about this. But no, he. He laughs and says, of course I got fouled.

[Don LaGreca]

When.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know. That's why he's laughing, right? Because he knows. Yeah, we got one. We got a call and they would review them.

[Don LaGreca]

God, there'd be a ton in basketball.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don LaGreca]

Because there was so many debatable calls back in the day that totally could have been turned around. You know, the one that I was thinking about when we went to break is the Johan Santana no hitter there Was a ball. That was a double. They called foul. Yeah, you know, that changed it. Now the Mets have pitched a no hitter since then, but it was a combined no hitter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but still that, that was a hit and they called it a foul ball. Yeah, you, you definitely have a review for that, Jacob. Had a good one in my ear. Jacob, take credit for it. Say it on the air because it's so true.

[Don LaGreca]

The Dez Bryant catch and no catch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

2014 NFC divisional playoff game, Cowboys, Packers. Was it a catch? Wasn't it a catch? They overturned it. But that was a fourth down play.

[Don LaGreca]

But that, but they had the technology and they still overturned it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think the technology was good enough.

[Don LaGreca]

No, I just know the problem is, is that they, you know, basically the NFL wants you to catch the ball, like put in the box, lock it for it to be a catch. So I don't think that would have been changed because they had replay and they still didn't change it because it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All catch and reversed it.

[Don LaGreca]

I think that is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah, they had a catch and it was challenged by Mike McCarthy and reversed. But I'm telling you, when you look at even the video then is not the quality it is today.

[Don LaGreca]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But anyways, thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know if. Good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don LaGreca]

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