Hour 2: Giants & NFL Binge

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Giants & NFL Binge

Date: October 27, 2025
ESPN New York Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

This lively episode is a classic blend of sports banter, heated New York football analysis, and a full-throttle NFL binge. The trio dives into the perpetual Jets' "fret," dissect the battered Giants' season and Jackson Dart’s leadership, rage at NFL officiating, break down recent standout NFL performances, and engage in rapid-fire sports trivia and debates—all with their characteristic blend of humor, sarcasm, and exasperation. The second hour seamlessly weaves between in-depth football talk and the hosts' trademark personality-driven tangents.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Jets' Emotional Dysfunction: Tanking vs. Competence

[00:41 - 05:32]

• Jets First Win & the "Jet Fret":
  • The group comments on the Jets finally getting a win, but Peter Rosenberg captures the fanbase malaise:
    Peter: "You always worry about the bad result of the good things happening. Because we don't deserve good things." (03:02)
  • Debate over tanking for draft picks versus rooting for actual progress and competent coaching/management.
• Don’s Tough Love:
  • Don: "How about rooting for knowing what you’re doing? And when you know what you’re doing, you win. So stop with this BS tank and garbage, all right?" (02:26)
• Alan: Criticizes the consistency of dysfunction, regardless of who gets drafted:
  • “How many teams they don’t know what they’re doing…the Jets don’t know what they’re doing.” (02:07)
• Peter: Shares the wounded resignation of Jets fandom:
  • "As a Jets fan, we've seen a million quarterbacks and we've messed them all up. We've wrecked them all, right?" (04:51)

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2. Giants Grit, Injury Woes & the Future of Jackson Dart

[05:32 – 14:01]

• Injury Catastrophe: Cam Scatteurbeaux’s rise and awful injury gets spotlighted.
  • Peter: "The poor guy, that injury was gruesome. When you dislocate the ankle and you get emergency surgery…that’s really concerning. I feel bad for the kid who was having just a hell of a rookie season." (05:56)
• Dart’s Resilience & Offense Woes:
  • Despite five sacks, Dart is commended for battling on, but the offense is depleted.
  • Don: "You’re not going to win any games. There’s just too many guys that have walked out the door. The defense isn’t any good…right now you’ve got no running game." (07:52)
  • "All this season is about right now...is watching Jackson Dart mature and become a better quarterback." (08:16)
• Coaching & Coordinating Future:
  • Consensus that defensive coordinator is “dead man walking” (07:05).
  • Outlook: likely blowing everything up except possibly Dart as the franchise centerpiece.

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3. Officiating Controversy: The Tush Push Outrage

[09:10 – 15:16]

• Tush Push Debate:
  • Controversy over a play where Giants’ Kayvon Thibodeaux forced a fumble that was negated for “forward progress”—infuriating for Giants fans.
  • Alan: “Could you call. Read the room. I don’t. I can’t believe…this play is impossible to stop. And there you’re going to have a bam, bam, instantaneous strip and you still give them forward progress.” (09:45)
  • Don: “If you can’t officiate it, you’ve got to get rid of it. Mike Pereira has said it. Officials have come forward to say it...it can’t be officiated. That’s how you bring it to the table.” (11:11)
• Broader Officiating Issues:
  "The officiating part has really come off the hinges this season..." — Alan (11:21)
• Fairness & Replay Deficiency:
  • Questioning why forward progress isn’t reviewable: “If the whistle didn’t blow, how can they rule forward progress for sure?” — Alan (14:14)
  • Railing against the NFL’s inability to modernize rules for clarity, safety, and fairness.

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4. Jackson Dart: The SWAGU Leadership Debate

[16:00 – 22:36]

• Alan’s Critique (with timestamps):
  • Criticism of Dart’s reaction to Cam’s injury (“the screaming…gave very high school college energy,” 16:00) and his post-game “nozzle glasses” at the podium (“the whole swag thing…only plays well if you’re playing exceptionally good football,” 17:33).
  • Suggestion: Show more “quarterback leader” demeanor at the podium, especially after a loss.
• Rosenberg & Don: Uncle Vibes and Changing Times:
  • Peter: “This is like the uncles coming into the living room and saying, son, sit down a second. We gotta talk to you about something.” (18:15)
  • Don: Acknowledges that the message matters more than the look, but optics can affect perception, especially in a city like NY. "Isn’t the fact that he said the right things more important than the decision to wear the glasses or how he looked at the podium total, rather than him walking out there looking perfect?" (20:33)
  • Players now have more individuality, and not everyone will be “buttoned up” like Eli or Jeter.
• Analogy: Rosenberg recalls being chided for wearing a backwards hat on CNN—a metaphor for presentation affecting message perception.

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5. Around the NFL: The Binge Segment

[27:02 – 38:51]

Buffalo Bills Blowout

• James Cook’s Breakout:
  • 216 yards, 2 TDs - best since O.J. Simpson (1976).
  • Josh Allen: "He’s playing outstanding. I think the more times we get the ball in his hands, the better we’re going to be." (29:34)

Ravens Without Lamar

• Tyler Huntley Gets a Rare Win:
  • Ravens beat Bears with Huntley at QB—a rare non-Lamar win; Harbaugh clarifies injury status confusion.
  • John Harbaugh: "It really is an honest mistake. I can tell you this. Nobody’s trying to hide anything." (30:03)

Colts Keep Rolling

• 7-1, Jonathan Taylor Dominates:
  • Taylor: 153 yards, 3 TDs.
  • Stat from Peter: “After Week 7, the team with the best record in the NFL eight of the last 10 years has gone to the Super Bowl.” (33:36)
  • Alan: “Why can’t he have his moment?” (33:10)

AFC Contenders Debate

• Don poses a Super Bowl question: "Are you taking the Ravens or the Colts to come out of the AFC?" (31:03)
  • Peter: Colts. "Their defense is so bad." (31:16)
  • Don: Leans Ravens with Jackson’s return.

NFL Trivia Fun

• Which QBs have beaten all 32 teams? (Favre, Brady, Manning, Brees)
  • Fun back-and-forth as the crew struggles through the answers, riffing on NFL history and player movement. (From 37:33 onward)

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6. NFL Jerseys & Throwbacks: Too Much Nostalgia?

[41:03 – 49:30]

• Steelers’ 1933 Throwbacks:
  • Strong disdain for the “repulsive” Steelers’ throwback uniforms.
  • Don (Passionate Rant): “This is why you’re trying too hard, bro…honor the ’70s Steelers, right? Nobody cares about the 1933 Pittsburgh Pirates that finished 3, 6 and 2…What are you honoring? You’re honoring nothing.” (48:07-49:30)

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7. End-of-Episode Banter: Hibachi & Road Life

[50:23 – End]

• Don’s road trip to Denver, team dinners, and their thoughts on Hibachi etiquette (the ‘kid sake’, squirt bottles, and sake fun).
• On drinks at Hibachi:
  Alan: “I don’t like the idea of someone…sprays liquid into my mouth. It’s not…not my favorite thing.” (52:19)
• The three riff on group meals and holiday parties before wrapping up.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Don (on tanking): "Stop with this BS tank and garbage, all right?" (02:26)
• Peter (on Jets fandom): "You always worry about the bad result of the good things happening. Because we don't deserve good things." (03:02)
• Alan (on Giants’ outlook): "All this season is about right now...is watching Jackson Dart mature and become a better quarterback." (08:16)
• Don (on officiating): "If you can’t officiate it, you’ve got to get rid of it." (11:11)
• Alan (on Dart): "...be a regular dude. I just don’t...the whole swag thing that Dart is rolling with only plays well if you’re playing exceptionally good football." (17:33)
• Peter (analogy): “This is like the uncles coming into the living room and saying, son, sit down a second.” (18:15)
• Don (on Steelers’ throwbacks): “You’re honoring garbage…nobody cares about the 1933 Pittsburgh Pirates that finished 3, 6 and 2.” (48:07)
• Fun sentiment: "We're gonna rub football all over ourselves today." — Alan (27:02)

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Key Timestamps for Major Segments

• Jets Fret & Tanking Debate: 00:41 – 05:32
• Giants Injury Crisis & Dart Fire: 05:32 – 14:01
• Tush Push/Officiating Outrage: 09:10 – 15:16
• Jackson Dart SWAGU Debate: 16:00 – 22:36
• NFL Binge Segment Starts: 27:02
• James Cook/Bills: 28:24
• Ravens Without Lamar: 29:47 – 30:55
• Colts Win/Stats: 32:23 – 33:47
• Beat All 32 Teams Trivia: 37:33 – 40:27
• Steelers Throwback Debate: 41:03 – 49:30
• Final Banter/Hibachi Talk: 50:23 – End

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Tone & Language

The episode is rich with classic New York frustration, self-deprecating fandom, blunt honesty, and quick-witted humor. The trio is candid—often sarcastic, sometimes exasperated, always passionate about their teams and the state of the NFL.

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For New Listeners

Even without having heard the episode, this summary captures the thematic whirlwind: the despair and hope of NY football fans, hilarious debates on style and substance, frustration with NFL officiating, and first-hand accounts of sports culture—both on and off the field.

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Transcript

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Damn. Like you can't even enjoy a freaking like Don said. Please, I know you're mad at me, but this is what we do, so just let me do it. I know it's wrong, but it's all I got.

[Don Hahn]

But here we are, late October, so the next time we play college football, although they'll probably be games on Thursday, but by next week we're already going to be into November.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

All right. We don't even know who the number one pick would be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, we don't.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I have to start watching, Don, so I have to start watching.

[Don Hahn]

You're going to have a high pick. May not have the first overall pick, but why are you going to fret when you don't even know who you want? And you also want to know you have a coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, because you want to make sure whoever it is, it's the best one.

[Don Hahn]

But you don't know if it's going to be the best one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You might by the end of the.

[Don Hahn]

Year, you might not. Still waiting for Trevor Lawrence. When's that ship coming in?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, really?

[Don Hahn]

Oh really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What as Baker Mayfield looking now?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, the team that drafted him one. Where is he exactly?

[Alan Hahn]

How many teams they don't know what they're doing.

[Don Hahn]

I know they don't know what they're in. The jets don't know what they're doing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You are right though, because jets don't.

[Don Hahn]

Know what they're doing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Having the third pick in the second pick didn't land you the best either.

[Don Hahn]

Let me tell you something, Alan. I'm going to. I'm going to educate you.

[Alan Hahn]

Smart.

[Don Hahn]

He knows this. He just. He won't pay attention.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's got me by the collar. He wants to lay smarter than I.

[Don Hahn]

Come on, I could have handed you Patrick Mahomes. You would have screwed him up. All right, they don't know what they're doing. So the hope is eventually they will know what they're doing. And if you root for the jets to win, that means they've got a coach and they got a coordinator and they got a general manager and then maybe they won't screw the kid up. But if you go 1 in 16 and you don't have a coach and you don't have a general manager, I could hang you, unite us. And you'd throw up on them like a fly regurgitating food because you don't know what you're doing. So how about rooting for knowing what you're doing? And when you know what you're doing, you win. So stop with this BS tank and garbage, all right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Words hurt.

[Don Hahn]

Don't get your words.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Words hurt.

[Don Hahn]

But you know I'm right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know you're right. I know you're right. But I can't help it. I don't think this way with any other team.

[Don Hahn]

Let's lose all the time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't say let's.

[Alan Hahn]

New quarterback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. You're miss my point.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm. And I'm being dead serious now. I'm not saying that I'm rooting for the losing, okay? Because we all know that the coach needs to show me something or else everybody's going to freak out and think they got a fire guy after one year. So I'm aware that you got to show something. I get it. But I'm talking about the Jet fret, which is no matter what, when good things happen, you always worry about the bad result of the good things happening. Because we don't deserve good things. That's. You just feel it deep down. That's just what you feel. So all I'm saying is, is that with the win, you still go, wait, the Saints, they already got rid of Rattler. They got Chuck in there. Now he stinks like they're gonna go, they're gonna want a quarterback. So here we go now in the battle for last, just to see who can get the better quarter. Like that's the problem is it hangs over you. That's. I'm not saying let it. I, I. Did I already tell you I'm emotionally detached.

[Alan Hahn]

I.

[Don Hahn]

Well, if you're detached and what are you worried about?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because I'm bringing up something that a lot of jets fans are feeling. That's all.

[Don Hahn]

Jet fans feel it because they're misguided.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, then I should guide them better is what you're saying.

[Don Hahn]

Should guide them better into realizing. Just root for your team to function. And once you do that, what does it matter? You've had high draft picks, you've had quarterbacks come in here and you don't know what to do with them because you don't know what you're doing. But they're still young, right? You still have Aaron Glenn, very young. Young offensive coordinator, young general manager. You might have gotten it right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe.

[Don Hahn]

History says no, you'll never get it right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, as a Jets, as a Jets fan, we've seen a million quarterbacks and we've messed them all up. We've wrecked them all, right?

[Don Hahn]

Because you haven't had the right people on board, so you got to root for having the right people on board. So how do you know they're right? Well, because they win, because they do things. Right. Now, so far, that has not been the case, but it's still early on. So you want to see if you can feed off of what happened yesterday. So don't sit there and be, you know, typical Jet guy and say, well, yeah, with every, with every rose, there's a thorn. And the thorn is while the Saints lost, they lost their quarterback and now they're going to steal the first overall pick in the draft. Who cares? We don't know who the first pick is. Like, I don't know why you have to skew negative.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's positive. It's in our DNA. Meanwhile, on the Giants. Yes, can you skew positive? Because Cam Scatter Boo is the latest now key piece of the offense. And who knew that, who knew we'd be saying that in the, in the, in training camp? But we all, we were. Because look, the kids scored a touchdown early in the game. He and Dart clearly have magic together. They have, it's a thing together.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a one plus one equals three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really does feel like that even head buttered him after the injury. But the poor Guy, that injury was gruesome. We all know, and we know we won't see him for a while because that's one of those. When you dislocate the ankle and you get emergency surgery, which means they immediately had to do something that's, that's really concerning. I feel bad for the kid who was having a. Just a hell of a rookie season, but really, when you look around like who's left? And yet here he is. And I know he took five sacks, I get it. But there he is, still just battling through, trying to find a way. Even though the defense, they couldn't stop a nosebleed, they could not stop the run to save their lives, but trying whatever he could do to just keep them in it, keep them in it, make plays, all those things. As much as the loss is maddening because it's to the Eagles. Did you really think you were going to take two from them anyway? What is, what do you take now out of these games? And what is there going forward, knowing there's no neighbors now, there's no scatter Booth. Like, what do you have to watch the rest of this season other than to see if this kid can just continue to be. To emerge as the leader of this franchise?

[Don Hahn]

Well, it's got to be nuanced, right? Because I don't. You're not going to see much 300 yard passing. You're not going to see four or five touchdown games. He lost his best wide receiver, he lost his best running back. All right? He's got a defensive coordinator that right now is basically enjoying his last meal before he's taking the walk. The dead man walking. Right? It's over for him. Right? Can we all agree on that? It's over. That's the way your defense responds.

[Peter Rosenberg]

My God.

[Don Hahn]

That's the way your defense responds. You know, I understand Philadelphia is good, but you know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wasn't that the second. Was that not the second time you played the Eagles? Where in on the first drive, Saquon just breaks one open on the outside.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like I said, it almost looked like. I don't know if it was the same play. I'm not that smart, but it sure looked like the same play. Amazing.

[Don Hahn]

We're just going to have to. First of all, you're going to have to try to keep him upright and just. And hope that he, he learns from all of this. But like, you're not going to win any games. There's just too many guys that have walked out the door. The defense isn't any good, right? Now you've got no running game. I mean, you still have a running game. You don't have your best running back, you don't have your best wide receiver. I think it'd be foolhardy right now to pull off a deal because it probably won't make that big of a difference.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah. And they're not, they're not going anywhere now.

[Don Hahn]

But not just to go anywhere, but just to give him some weapons so he can mature. All this season is about right now. You're not even watching the Giants if you're a Giant fan. The rest of this season is watching Jackson Darth mature and become a better quarterback. Because when it's all said and done, it's probably all that's going to be left. But that's your future.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

I think they're blowing everything else up. And you hope that what he's going to be standing there and you're going to build around him. They'll make a decision on a general manager. But even if Shane stays, you bring in a coach that works the Jackson skill set. Bring in a defensive coordinator that can work through what I still think has talent on it and just go from there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well put. Put more talent on that offense because you're looking around the league and you're seeing when you have skilled players, your quarterback could be. Could be pedestrian or it could be 45 years old. And you just.

[Don Hahn]

You can.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. And you can win that way now. We didn't feel like they could win this game because you knew the Eagles, they, they had, they were in a bad place the first time you met them. They're a better team. And you're playing in Philadelphia. They haven't won there in 12 years, whatever it is. But I'll tell you what, Don. Peter, I don't know if. Did you see the 77 early in the game? Tush push. Oh, I saw an unbelievable play by Kayvon Thibodeau.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they called forward progress.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. You know what, you know what it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is like, I'm sorry everybody lost their mind.

[Alan Hahn]

Read the room. Could you call. Read the room. I don't. I can't believe you. You guys already know this play is impossible to stop. And there you're going to have a bam, bam, instantaneous strip and you still give them forward progress.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was reaching forward when they clearly ball out. I don't know how they call it. I don't know how they call it.

[Don Hahn]

I've seen quarterbacks reach forward and get the first down because of that reach. Exactly how can you tell me that there isn't forward progress? I've been saying it and I'll keep saying it till I'm blue in the face. They screwed up the whole tush push to try to get rid of it in the off season. So it came across like we were all jealous of the Philadelphia Eagles. They don't know how to officiate it. They don't. Guys are constantly jumping the forward progress can't be determined. They've got to get rid of this. Forget about the competitive imbalance or forget about, oh, jealous of the Philadelphia Eagles. It can't be officiated. They've got to get rid of it. They have to. It's embarrassing. Every week they will show you chapter and verse of offensive linemen that are completely false starting, jumping off sides, moving before the snap. Now we've got the forward progress thing in issue. If you can't officiate it, you've got to get rid of it. Mike Pereira has said it. Officials have come forward to say it. We've seen chapter and verse example after example that this should not be allowed. And instead of attacking us, I don't think it's fair. I think guys might get hurt. The Philadelphia Eagles want a Super Bowl. It. It can't be officiated. That's how you bring it to the table. I don't care who does it. If you've got a play that the officials don't know how to officiate, how do you keep it in the game?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's gotten worse this year, though. The officiating part has really come off the hinges this season, so I would hope they bring it right back next year. Well, they're going say, yeah, you have to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What really. What really was surprising is there was such a conversation about taking it out of the game or just bringing the old rule back. And then when it came time to vote, was stunning that all of a sudden all the people that were against it wouldn't vote against it.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like why? What happened? Was there some type of lobby going on? Was there some type of deal?

[Don Hahn]

No, because they felt. I'm going to tell you why, okay? Because they all felt a. We don't want to come across like we're jealous of the Eagles and we want. We want to do it. We want to figure out how they do it and make it work for us. But right now, give the Eagles credit. They know how to do it. They've done it longer than everybody else. Other teams have tried it. The Giants tried it, got two players Hurt on it a couple of years ago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

The Bills tried it against the Chiefs last year, and they couldn't get a first down. So it's not even the case that it's unfair. It's just that right now it can't be officiated. And I think that's what they're gonna. They're gonna have to work on something or start calling the penalties because the Eagles will stop doing it if they keep drawing penalties because they do it on 4th and 1. But if they call the false start like they should be fourth and six and they can't do it, the official.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can'T see it with his. He can. They can't see it. That's the problem. You don't know what's going on there. But I felt like the play that Thibodeau made, everybody saw it. Like, it felt that. That felt like the most obvious call to make. Hertz is reaching forward with the ball.

[Alan Hahn]

The ball is available. It wasn't like we just. It wasn't like, made a great play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Credit the defense.

[Alan Hahn]

It wasn't like some play where, like, it grinds to a halt and you can clearly tell progress has stopped. It wasn't that at all. No, it was really a bang, bang.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was still churning his legs, if I'm not mistaken.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. That's a very. And by the way, game changing moment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Early in the game. Now, again, you can't cry over this kind of spilled milk because later in the game, they're just getting smoked. The defense couldn't stop anybody. So we're not saying that. That if they could have gotten the ball back there, because, remember, they score right after that to make it 14 7. They had Barkley, Remember, he danced into the end zone. Like that was a moment for the Giants, that maybe they get the ball and they can do something, take a lead, have some momentum. Who knows how the game ends. But it's more about the Tush push and a call, because there was another call later in the game, the one on Slayton that they called offensive Opi, which. How the hell is that? So if you're a Giants fan, you were frustrated by some calls, but the Tush push, because it's such a conversation, this is one that goes beyond unfair to the Giants. It goes to. This is why the Tush push has just become a maddening play in the NFL that people just don't want to see anymore.

[Don Hahn]

But, guys, we've all watched football. What signifies a play being over the whistle? Yep. So forward progress was stopped. You would have heard the whistle way sooner than you did. I didn't hear the whistle until the ball was already recovered.

[Alan Hahn]

That should be it though. If the whistle didn't blow, how can they rule forward progress for sure?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because they watched it back.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, when you watch it back, you can't tell that that was clearly out.

[Don Hahn]

And they can't view forward progress because I guess it's considered in the eye of the beholder. But then if that's the case, what should be able to be reviewed? We see this in hockey all the time. When did the whistle blow? Because the forward progress was stopped. There should have been a whistle. And I can understand if it's a split second later, Peter, because you still have to put the whistle to your mouth and blow. But that was way after the fact. It's just, it's a joke. And again, this is not coming from jealous Giant fan. Giants were going to lose the game anyway. Giants are as good as the Philadelphia Eagles. I get it. But I'm just as a person that enjoys competition and fairness and also the ability for officials to see what's going on in the field. That alone should make it illegal. If the official can't see the play out. That should be more than enough to say we can't allow this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, we'll see what happens in the offseason. Here's Brian Burns on that play the Res made.

[Don Hahn]

They call. You know, it is tricky.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Two weeks ago, you know, they allowed.

[Don Hahn]

Them to push the pow and now we stopped the surge and you know, they blow the whistle quick and you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Know, Tibbs had a heads up play.

[Don Hahn]

By getting the ball out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I really feel like that should have.

[Don Hahn]

Been a turnover, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Weird play, weird call. Weird play, weird call. Hey, YouTube TV customers. You could lose ESPN. That's right. And the sports you love, including college football, college game day, Monday night football tonight, NBA, which is just underway, college basketball and more. You got to take action. Go to keep my networks.com so you can keep ESPN 800 now. 1937-761 other thing I just want to.

[Alan Hahn]

Throw into the Giants conversation. I don't want to derail us. We got to get some calls.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We got lots of jam.

[Alan Hahn]

There's lots of them. I just want to put this out here. I've been holding back a bit because I'm just. I know this sounds crazy and, and maybe this makes me a bad sports talk show host. I don't want to, I don't want to poo poo the Giants all the time just because they're a team I hate in the division, I want Giants fans to be happy. So I've been trying to, like, give the benefit of the doubt, but there were two things yesterday about Dart that irritated me. And I know I'm being nitpicky. He's a kid. There's time to grow. But listen, in order to grow, sometimes you might have to hear these things. Don. The two things that bothered me, the reaction to Cam's injury. I understand you're upset by it. I understand you're close with him. The screaming over and over again, like, gave very high school college energy. You're the leader of this team. It's a shocking moment. I get it. No one wants to see it. I want to see you pull it together and be the leader of men in that spot. And I understand it's super emotional in that moment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's his guy.

[Alan Hahn]

And it's his guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like.

[Don Hahn]

No, I know.

[Alan Hahn]

They're boys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They are.

[Alan Hahn]

And they're. They are the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're the.

[Alan Hahn]

They are the core of this team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's a moment.

[Alan Hahn]

Cam handled it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I understand.

[Alan Hahn]

No, but like, that was big. That, by the way, that guy is an animal. He tapped his helmet immediately. He was conscious enough to know I just broke my whole. Ish.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Tapping my helmet.

[Alan Hahn]

Come get me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Come get me. He's.

[Alan Hahn]

He's a different breed. But more than that, because that's in.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The moment and whatever.

[Alan Hahn]

You never know how you're going to react. Alan and I were talking during the break. Maybe after such a bad loss where you lose your best friend on the team. Don't come out with the nozzle glasses like you're trying to come off as the fake fancy intellectual. Like, maybe just be. Wear a sweatshirt at the podium and be a regular dude. I just don. What I'm saying is the whole swag thing that Dart is rolling with only plays well if you're playing exceptionally good football. If things aren't perfect, you're just safer being the low key quarterback leader. I don't know. We need the full SWAGU every single week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is like the uncles coming into the living room and saying, son, sit down a second. We got to talk to you about something. Is that what you're doing?

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm trying to do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay? I. I gotta admit, I didn't care. The scream. Like, he was emotional. I'm fine with.

[Don Hahn]

You're giving that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, I'll give him that. Because what, the first way through the ball. Second of all, that's his guy. Sure. Right so there's some. There's some guilt, there's some frustration, but. And he saw it, which is also jarring. Podium. Okay, I could. I can get with you on this because, like, you're. You've reached a point now where you've elevated yourself to. And I don't care. I know you're young and you want to be that fun guy. I get it. That's who you are. You got to be yourself. But you also have really become as close to the very, like, a leader of this franchise. It's the New York Football Giants. And you've become that very quickly. Like, does Tom Brady. Like, does he do that? Like, did you. You grew up watching guys go to the podium after games, especially after losses, and there's a certain way you probably want to carry yourself. And I'm kind of with you in that one. You might, like, save the glasses. Like, save the. Like, don't. I don't need you to be a character at the podium after a loss when a key player is hurt and.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, and you got blown out by a rival and you just wasn't a good game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like, I get that, and I understand what you're saying. And you're hoping sooner rather than later. He looks around and sees the other quarterbacks in the quarterback club, the real ones, and just like, yeah, be more like that.

[Alan Hahn]

The big boys. The big boys, Don, in this league, they may show up to the tunnel.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Dress cool, walking in. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

But when it's time to sit and talk like people, just relax, because this will not. It's still so early in this story, and I. Giants fans, you're probably getting mad at me and thinking I'm a hater, but I promise, I'm trying to diffuse this early.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But here's the problem. Because you know what gets lost when you're looking at them and you get the message? That is pitch perfect.

[Don Hahn]

We got to start figuring out ways to win, because I do. I hate it, and I'm not used to it. I'm not just going to accept it. I'm not going to be okay with it. We as a team can't be okay with it. And we got to figure. Figure this out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, do you understand? Right. The visuals don't match the audio.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't mind what he said at all. It's the right thing to say.

[Don Hahn]

But in a work in progress, that not only what happens on the field, but how you handle yourself in the media. Not everybody could be Eli Manning, who gets it immediately, Derek Jeter who gets it immediately. It's a work in progress for a lot of us. Isn't the fact that he said the right things more important than the decision to wear the glasses or how he looked at the podium total, rather than him walking out there looking perfect?

[Peter Rosenberg]

In today's world.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know what people see before.

[Don Hahn]

They hear, well, you know what? But I still want to know. He's got a good heart. I want to know that his heart.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't want it overshadowed. No, because your eyes are seeing something so you're not hearing because you're so caught up in what you're looking at. And there are a lot of people in the world that do that. And. And I just. I don't want it for him. Like, this is. This is like. I think this is us saying, we love you, kid.

[Don Hahn]

Don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, you don't need this.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't need that.

[Don Hahn]

I don't. I don't disagree. But I'm saying from a work in progress standpoint, I, I want to work with him, and I think I can work with him because he does get it. Because the visual maybe wasn't perfect, but the message was the right message. And that's the hardest thing to do. Because if he didn't care or didn't say the right things, I got a lot more work to do. Oh, he actually has it.

[Alan Hahn]

It is in him to be that dude. You're right. And if. And. And if you don't have that, you don't have it. He definitively has the good stuff. What I'm saying, and I'm looking in our chat, bad take, Peter. Not everyone could be a nerd like Jayden Daniels. Okay? What I'm saying is the more you chill out on your attempt to be swaggy, the more grace you will get. You are speeding up the judgment by carrying yourself with a certain level of swag that you may not need.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's your example. Joe Burrow, who loves to do the Joe cool stuff, right? He'll go fur coat. He'll do the whole thing.

[Alan Hahn]

No, we've seen it all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't normally see that at the podium. No, don't normally see that at the podium. Not after a loss. He's pissed. He's direct, straight. Then he gets away from podium, Then he'll put the costume on. That's.

[Don Hahn]

I know we're. I know we're up against it because.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got the binge, but this is.

[Don Hahn]

What we were trying to tell you, Peter, a decade ago when you went On CNN with the backwards hat. And we were saying, listen, nobody's gonna pay attention to and what you have to say because they're just going to look at this tool that's dressed like he's 12. And you fought us and said do it again. Well, I'm just saying you had. You were now arguing with yourself because you're talking about the message not being seen because everybody is looking at.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's why.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're seeing yourself in the mirror.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, it's terrible. You're going to hate this because I was. Because I went on CNN real quick. I've done this 50 times. I'm gonna do it 51st. My. The Chiron under me. The reason they had Me on was third Hot 97 DJ on New York election. I wasn't supposed to be a leader of men presenting myself to the world. I was there as the Joe Jabroni New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Did you need to have the friend kit though? Did you really?

[Alan Hahn]

Not a red baseball hat.

[Don Hahn]

There are a lot of people are like, why would I take this guy seriously? He didn't even dress seriously.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

I hear you, but I don't like the comic.

[Don Hahn]

Like Frank Zappa when he went for fighting for the PMRC and all that and he went and spoke on the trial, he wore a suit and tie because he wanted to be taken seriously. And then he was able to say all the serious things and not just dress like a typical rock star. Like sometimes you're right, you've got to dress the part. And as a leader in a big moment, you want to be able to dress the part. And that way your message can be heard. But unfortunately we live in a time, Peter, where we have to look at quarterbacks differently because they're not all going to be buttoned up. You brought up Tom Brady. Well, Tom Brady, Tom Brady is a 50 year old man. He, you know, he played recently, but he started playing, you know, 20 some odd years ago, things were a little bit different. Now we got to get used to a lot of these athletes not playing the role that we're used to. That doesn't make them less leaders.

[Alan Hahn]

Sure, I hear you, but I mean, I'm just saying I think my boy is the same age as Jackson Dart and you do not see it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're also two different people for sure.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

By thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

This is we're gonna rub football all over ourselves today.

[Don Hahn]

I did consume a lot of football back in the day. Pre kids in my underwear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The NFL binge.

[Don Hahn]

You watch every game.

[Alan Hahn]

Are you watching you? You did an intro and then I was talking through it. But I heard it. But I heard it and I like it. I don't know if you did.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love the Are you watching?

[Alan Hahn]

Can I hear it again? Can we run from the top? Bring it Back. Rewind.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why does everybody else have to hear it again? Because you missed it.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way. Is it really going to be that much of a chore for people to hear this again?

[Don Hahn]

Listen, I think it was really good. I'd like to hear it again.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you very much. Run it back.

[Don Hahn]

This is.

[Alan Hahn]

We're gonna rub football all over ourselves today.

[Don Hahn]

I did consume a lot of football back in the day. Pre kids in my underwear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The NFL binge.

[Alan Hahn]

You watch energamy, baby. Are you watching? See, see, see? Don, Aren't you glad I complained? Now last week, look what we got.

[Don Hahn]

That was really good. That was going after an Islander guy. Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What? What are you watching?

[Don Hahn]

Are you watching?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Every. Everybody that is a. That a fan of just one sport and takes in no other sport. That's their big thing that that's their go to all the time is you don't watch all the games. Like no, no one, no one can possibly watch all the games.

[Alan Hahn]

Can't watch all the games, Jeremy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. All they can watch is maybe like, you know, one or two in a night and then catch up on the highlights on some others that might stand out.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, guys, let's get to the Bing. Shall we do it? Man, James Cook had quite the day for the bills and they're 40 to nine route of the Panthers. Why didn't I pick that pitch to James Cook? Straight ahead 10, five touchdown. The bills are pouring it on Carolina Ro right now and making it look easy. James Cook, have yourself a day. He is over 200 yards rushing today and we haven't even started the fourth quarter yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's pretty crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

Josh Allen spoke. I mean, just to be specific here, 216 yards and two rushing touchdowns. That's more rushing yards by Bill since O.J. simpson had 273 in 1976. Josh Allen records his 46 career game with a passing touchdown and a rushing touchdown. That breaks a tie with Cam Newton for the most in NFL history. Respectfully, I think he'll end up on a different plane than Cam Newton altogether. Well, it depends.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Maybe he's gonna start wearing hats.

[Alan Hahn]

I was gonna say Cam. Cam's crushing him in the bad hat department. Let's hear from Josh Allen on Cook's day.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's playing outstanding. I think more times we get the ball in his hands, the better that.

[Don Hahn]

We'Re going to be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Same thing with. With 10 with Khalil just again getting.

[Alan Hahn]

The ball in his hands and letting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Him make some plays for us.

[Alan Hahn]

But yeah, I mean, I'D love hand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It off and getting to throw my hands up from 50 yards out, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, the Ravens kept their season alive with young Tyler Huntley at the helm. 30 to 16 win over the Bears. But what the heck happened with Lamar Jackson's injury designation this week? John Harbaugh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's an honest mistake. I mean, it really is an honest mistake. I can tell you this. Nobody's trying to hide anything. I mean, there's no advantage with that. He practiced. His status was what it was. He was questionable. I do think if we'd have had the old status, maybe they would have said doubtful. Maybe. I don't know. But questionable or out, you know, we.

[Don Hahn]

Weren'T going to say how because he.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wasn'T out until Saturday when that conversation was had on the medical side.

[Don Hahn]

I can believe that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, totally. I don't think they're playing games there at all.

[Don Hahn]

It's just the way they get fined for it because, you know, now it's.

[Alan Hahn]

The Ravens first win in a game without Lamar as the starter since 2022.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Which is funny because Huntley's not terrible.

[Don Hahn]

No, no.

[Alan Hahn]

He's a serviceable backup.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Decent.

[Alan Hahn]

But honestly, I think that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who started that game, the one. The last time they won without Lamar?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. It's because it's post Flacco RG3.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Was it Huntley?

[Alan Hahn]

It might have been Huntley.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Feels like he's been there forever.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

He's been there a while now. Before you move on to another game. Yeah. I want to throw this question out to you right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I know what you're doing.

[Don Hahn]

Are you taking that as a better chance to go to the super bowl, representing the afc, The Ravens of the Colts? Who are you taking right now?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You got to take the Colts. Yeah. I mean, I can't trust the Ravens at all. Their defense. It's not even about Jackson. Their defense is so bad.

[Don Hahn]

I know, but if they get Jackson back, they could. They could still win this division. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know, the Steelers are starting to circle.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So.

[Don Hahn]

So we are talking about a team that you still feel pretty good can win this division if Jackson comes back.

[Alan Hahn]

And I. I don't. I don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are you answered? Give me your answer.

[Don Hahn]

I would say the Ravens.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're taking the Ravens. You don't trust the Colts at all. Their running game, their defense, their offensive line. Don't not trust them.

[Don Hahn]

I. I would say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is it just because if. If the starting quarterback wasn't named Daniel Jones, would you trust them?

[Don Hahn]

No. It has nothing to do with that. It just. That you don't go 0 to 60 like that. That. That's too quick a turnaround.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Man, 7 and 1.

[Alan Hahn]

I know. Well, listen.

[Don Hahn]

But the.

[Alan Hahn]

The Ravens haven't been able to be one be. Win the big one in the playoffs even in the best of season, let alone in a year when they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Garbage.

[Don Hahn]

I just said, listen, if I. If I were to throw Kansas City, you'd all say Kansas City, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Of course.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's all right. So I wanted to make it a.

[Alan Hahn]

Little bit more challenging. Smoke them tonight.

[Don Hahn]

Look at that.

[Alan Hahn]

I like my guys. I like my guys. The colts improved to 7 and 1 on the year with a 3814 route over the Titans and were propelled by Jonathan Taylor, who finished with 153 yards on the ground and three tutties, two rushing, one receiving. Here's Jonathan Taylor on a little toss in front of a good sweep left. Taylor breaking tackles and taking it in for his third touchdown of the day. That is a touchdown receiving on that little pitch forward. And boy, Roger McCreary is gonna see that one in his sleep as he tried to wrap him up. And Taylor just shed him like a cheap sport coat. Unbelievable call.

[Don Hahn]

Sport. Sport coat instead of suit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I love it.

[Alan Hahn]

Unbelievable. Why can't he have his moment?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let him have it.

[Alan Hahn]

One call. God.

[Don Hahn]

And that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's.

[Don Hahn]

You know, that's Jacob. That's underrated.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You had to see the sinister grin on his face when he played that. You're a bad guy, Jacob. Put him on the YouTube. Make sure people can see that look on his face, that sinister little grin. Look at you. Poor guy. You know what? Carlin's had a year, by the way. He's been.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, he's been great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Week after week, he's coming up.

[Alan Hahn]

Not to mention he was mvp. The couch cast. He's done it all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He definitely was that, too. May I remind you, too, with the Colts, for those who are the doubters, I told you the stat. After Week 7, the team with the best record in the NFL eight of the last 10 years, has gone to the Super Bowl.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a good stat.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Good for you. I said that on Friday. Thanks for listening.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I was super busy Friday. Now, speaking of the couch cast, I have. I see pinhead suit. John Winthrop's in the other room.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's there.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, John, let me ask. Has anything been.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's your Disney host, if you notice, he's got the.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, well, he's a quarter zip, by the way. He would think if you pay attention to how much Disney clothing he wears.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's almost as if he works there and can show you around when you go on a tour. No, no, welcome. Let me show you your suite.

[Alan Hahn]

And I don't mean like works at Disney the way we all work at Disney. Like Disneyland. Like tearing tickets. Now, now, real quick.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's too big to be tearing. He's like more of like how about.

[Alan Hahn]

A one of the nice restaurants? Like oh, welcome. Like the seafood restaurant.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Higher end than that. Now he welcomes in like the big. The high rollers.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, John, has anyone bantied about what a possible future couch cast could be? Have we. Have we considered. Is there anything on the horizon?

[Don Hahn]

He's thinking.

[Alan Hahn]

He's coming towards the microphone, nodding. He's taking headphones now put his handsome.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Face on the YouTube. I don't know how this would work for Alan, but we have kicked around Knicks.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I knew it eventually will be in the playoffs.

[Alan Hahn]

You would think y like a Nick playoff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you'd have to do a national game. One that we're not doing.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but wouldn't you still have post? Pre and post.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What are you talking about?

[Alan Hahn]

You don't do any of the national games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, you don't really do any of the playoff games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, not anymore. No, no. First round's out. We're done. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. So I would have to leave the cow. You'd have to get off the couch at start of the fourth quarter. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And make it for the poster.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you can do it. I can do that.

[Alan Hahn]

We thought Nicks would. Because Nick's is like the ultimate unifier in the city.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep. Like everybody will be, but it's like.

[Alan Hahn]

There'S nothing between then and we can't do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Something else.

[Alan Hahn]

Like not a playoff.

[Don Hahn]

NFL game.

[Alan Hahn]

Monday night playoff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How about a devil's game? You really want to watch Don calling it. We all just like critique Don throughout the game.

[Don Hahn]

That was a nice effort, Alan. I appreciate it. It really.

[Alan Hahn]

See I. I'm not even entertaining it. Don, do you like that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like I scared of me?

[Don Hahn]

Like I have more respect for you.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you respect me more. No, I'm not gonna do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We can't do a couch cast for hockey.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, I didn't say that. Arranger playoff game conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll tell you what, Peter. You know What?

[Alan Hahn]

We'll do one of 162 Yankee games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we'll have you leave.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, you know what?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Early April.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm always down for one of 162.

[Don Hahn]

Do you think it could work with the how popular the NFL is if we did a non local NFL game.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm saying. Like, why not a playoff game? Like. Like it would have to be a week. So don't we do the first week of the playoffs? They do the Monday night playoff.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. What about.

[Don Hahn]

That's a good one. Yeah, that's a good one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Put that down. Let's think about fairing Monday wild card.

[Alan Hahn]

Monday wild card Monday together. Is that.

[Don Hahn]

That's thinking, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. And lastly, the packers outscore the Steelers 216 in the final 15 minutes to spoil Aaron Rodgers return to Green Bay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's a snap to love.

[Alan Hahn]

Rush on, throws the middle. Got his man cutting left to the 5 in the end zone. It is Tucker Craft having a knife.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow. Touchdown Green Bay.

[Alan Hahn]

They beat Chuck Clark on a crosser. 24 yard touchdown reception. Now, can I just tell you guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Where was the game?

[Alan Hahn]

It was Pittsburgh, wasn't it? It was.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, but there were a lot of Green Bay fans there.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, it was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. But I said that wrong because it was. The game was. What's that, Alan?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, we just checked the schedule.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We cannot do a wild card Monday couch cast.

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's holiday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don won't be here.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Don has a. Yeah, there's a game that night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's. There's a game in Minnesota that night.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, Minnesota.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Back to back.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, there's a chance that we'll have a couchcast and not everyone can.

[Don Hahn]

Make it, you know, we all can't, you know, be together. We didn't have Bart Scott.

[Alan Hahn]

We didn't have Bart last time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We didn't have Dan.

[Don Hahn]

So there's no. No me.

[Alan Hahn]

Thank you, Don.

[Don Hahn]

Now Rogers had a chance to become the fifth quarterback. Here we go. To beat every team in the NFL. Can you name the four that did it?

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I've beaten every team well in their era. Right, because what else would it be? Well, I'm just saying, like, every team in the league wasn't around for some reason.

[Alan Hahn]

Every team that existed during your time. So. So how about give me, give me, give me Joe Montana?

[Don Hahn]

No, Joe Montana would be incorrect. But it's a great guess. Kansas City for a while.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Bad guess.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, so what that he was in here? Oh, he just didn't.

[Don Hahn]

He would have to beat the 49ers. You can't do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, he'd have to beat the. He wouldn't have had enough time to beat the 49ers. Got it. You got to switch up enough to be able to beat.

[Don Hahn]

So you need longevity and to be able to play.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Farve's a good guess.

[Don Hahn]

Red Farver is a great guest. And accurate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well done and accurate. So there's one. So we have three more.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, what. What era are all these guys from?

[Don Hahn]

Actually, they're all pretty much the same era.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, in the same year?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So 90s.

[Don Hahn]

Farve is the oldest. How about that one?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Farve's the oldest.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Joe Flacco.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's a good guess. I thought maybe Flacco. Flacco had two opportunities to beat the Ravens and lost both games, so. No, no, no. Joe Flacco.

[Alan Hahn]

Farr is definitely the oldest.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

I considered Randall Cunningham.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You gotta think again. You gotta think of something.

[Alan Hahn]

We gotta think multiple teams having some success on multiple teams.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But from Tom Brady, there's.

[Don Hahn]

I'll tell you the one. One. You're going to be a little surprised.

[Alan Hahn]

Did Brady beat the Patriots?

[Don Hahn]

Brady did beat the Patriots. So Tom Brady, Brett Barb and Tom Brady.

[Alan Hahn]

There you go, Alan, you're two for two and one's going to surprise us. Why? Because they're not that great?

[Don Hahn]

No, because he didn't spend very. Spent little time with that team, but it was enough beat the team he eventually played for. So he did it first. He beat the team and then went to the team where everybody else beat the team after he beat the team. Like far went back to beat the Packers. Rogers Brady went back, not Aaron Rodgers. He would have been the fifth if he had done it last night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, that's right. That was his first game.

[Don Hahn]

So Brady. So Brady went back to beat the Patriots. This guy, one of the guys did it.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, first Peyton Manning.

[Don Hahn]

Peyton Manning is. He did it last, but Peyton Manning is the three.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they're all. They're all making faces like the fourth one is obvious.

[Don Hahn]

It's not.

[Alan Hahn]

No, they meant Peyton Manning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, it took us a second.

[Alan Hahn]

So Peyton was the. They thought the obvious one.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

But that's amazing how they just stare.

[Peter Rosenberg]

At you like you're a moral.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't.

[Don Hahn]

Don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I will come in through live radio.

[Don Hahn]

And temporary of these individuals.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay, Temporary.

[Don Hahn]

He. He beat a team early in his career when he was with that team, but he's with that team briefly, then eventually went long term with the team. We know him as the team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We.

[Alan Hahn]

He then went.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Drew Brees.

[Don Hahn]

Drew Brees.

[Alan Hahn]

Great. There you go. That's good stuff, buddy.

[Don Hahn]

Breeze was able to beat these Saints as a child.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Everybody. What do you mean you hear Jake? He's a bad guy. We're going with that guy Thursday. He's that guy.

[Alan Hahn]

Remember that.

[Don Hahn]

Write it down. What did he do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But in my ear he's like, great recovery. I'm sorry, did we spend a half hour on this?

[Alan Hahn]

Three of the four I only got, man. He did three. That was pretty good.

[Don Hahn]

And breezes tough.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Think about his time with the Chargers now.

[Alan Hahn]

I. I would just like to say I knew I was getting that game right last night. The second I saw the jerseys the Steelers were wearing. They lost the game, Dom. Before they took the packers too.

[Don Hahn]

Can I ask a question? Seriously. When you get traditional teams like the packers and, and the Steel, can't you just keep it real?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just wear your jersey.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but let the, let the Jaguars and. And Panthers have their fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is why the Reindeer games. This is why you'll never see a third Yankee jersey. The Yankee jersey is classic. They don't need. They don't need to have some fancy third jersey so they can sell more. You're going to buy the Yankee jersey.

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's the Yankee jersey. But the funny thing is like the Steelers are kind of Yankee a jace. And yet those are the most repulsive jerseys I've ever seen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A black and gold, black and yellow, whatever you want to call it. That, that's. That's repulsive.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no. What they wore last night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, last night. Oh my God.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm saying in general, it's not as.

[Don Hahn]

Bad as the bumblebee ones from back.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, I thought last night might have been the worst one I've ever seen.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What was the logo?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't even know. Who were they paying homage to? Like, like. That's the thing, Don. The Steelers are known from the 70s to now. They've had a 50 year run of greatness. They've had the same jersey and helmet the entire time. Who are we paying homage to?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's find out.

[Alan Hahn]

That'll do it for your NFL binge on this week. Eight in the books almost. After tonight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

After my commie shocked the world of Marcus Mariota.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We still have nine weeks to go, thank God. Plus the playoffs and. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And we're somehow still close in our picks because we're all so off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh God, what a week.

[Don Hahn]

What are you saying?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Terrible. We're all bad. That's what I'm saying.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, I'm the worst.

[Don Hahn]

I'm creeping. I'm starting to creep a little.

[Alan Hahn]

You're finding it is what you're saying.

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Before we get back to the calls, I do want to explain that. So so what the Steelers were wearing last night, for those who were too lazy to google, was a throwback Jersey, obviously from 1933. Their, their very first year of football there in Pittsburgh and the proud Steel Town legacy. I don't know what the design was about.

[Alan Hahn]

On the front, it's repulse.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But there are just some things that just should stay in 1930.

[Don Hahn]

Here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's what I think. If your team is wearing a jersey, a throwback jersey from an era, I think the coaching staff has to wear whatever the fashion was in that era.

[Don Hahn]

Kind of like what they did with the Winter Classic. Yep. You know where the old, the old timey fedoras and the jackets.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wouldn't that be amazing to see? Like, like Mike Tomlin wearing knickers with socks up and like I like that. Like, like a tweed sport coat but we don't need. And the old newsy hat but what we don't need.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, this is exactly what you talked about with The Giants a couple years ago. Why do we need to pay homage to a time that no one cares about?

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it's a first year of the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Steelers history franchise, but it's repulsive. The idea is to say this is what we wore when this franchise began.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not about the time more than it is about the legacy of the franchise.

[Alan Hahn]

Their helmet was also made of leather.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Well, why weren't they wearing leather?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, where the leather helmet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's with what?

[Alan Hahn]

You put the gold.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They weren't wearing yellow helmets. Why is the helmet yellow exactly. Brown.

[Alan Hahn]

Put the goalpost in the front of the end zone. I want to see all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who's the college team that did the leather helmet looking helmets. And it looks so lifelike. It looks so real. When you see it from a distance, it looks like they're wearing leather helmets. It's crazy. Here's. That would have been cool.

[Don Hahn]

This is why you're trying too hard, bro. All right. You want to honor the Steelers tradition in history, then you honor the 70 Steelers, right? Nobody cares about the 1933 Pittsburgh Pirates that finished 3, 6 and 2 were in fifth place in a five team league. They didn't become the Steelers till 19.

[Alan Hahn]

He looked at.

[Don Hahn]

They didn't have a winning record until 1947. So we're honoring garbage, right? It's the same thing. Like when you think of the Giants history, if you want, depending on what age you are, you're probably gonna be thinking about, you know, the championship years, you know, in the, in, in the 30s and the 50s. And if you want to go to the 80s, the Pittsburgh Steelers, God love them, were nowhere. They're the team that cut Johnny Unitis and then finally Mean Joe Green and Franco Harris and all the great players came. And you think about those 70 Steelers teams, you think about those jerseys and the terrible towels and Three River Stadium and all that. That's their history. Honor that. Oh, you don't have to because they still wear the same jerseys. Trying too hard, bro. There's nobody alive from that time. And the people that are alive don't care because they were the Pittsburgh Pirates. What are you honoring? You're honoring nothing.

[Alan Hahn]

Now real quick, I'd like to honor you, Don.

[Don Hahn]

In what sense?

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

Why should I want to win an absolute wagon?

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

I did too as well. Time.

[Alan Hahn]

Where are you again, Don?

[Don Hahn]

Denver.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, Denver. The Cowboys leaving when you arrived?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Now what's the plan tonight? What are we doing?

[Don Hahn]

I'm sure dinner somewhere. But I have not. I have no concrete plans.

[Alan Hahn]

So what do you mean dinner somewhere? Like the broadcast team?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, we'll all get together. We're pretty tight knit group.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I mean. Hold on now.

[Don Hahn]

Someplace to eat.

[Alan Hahn]

This is your second road trip?

[Don Hahn]

Third. But the second one was I had to leave the day of and then I left right after the game. So now this is my second like trip.

[Alan Hahn]

So you imagine. So when you say the crew will all get together, who does that? Who include Dano.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Danico, Bryce, Salvador.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don Hahn]

Rachel, Herzog.

[Alan Hahn]

The whole squad you think will get together somewhere for a meal like gentlemen and ladies.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Now if the night takes it there, will you drink seven or eight Old Fashions and then attack a doordash driver and possibly end up in the hospital?

[Don Hahn]

That's not the plan. I mean I. The only thing I'd be attacking is a garbage can if I had eight.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. I think more than two Old Fashions. He's asleep.

[Don Hahn]

No, I've never had more than two.

[Alan Hahn]

Two's your limit. You've never had more than two?

[Don Hahn]

No. Matter of fact we went out because I'm going to be gone all week. So we went hibachi Saturday night.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nice treat yourself. Sure.

[Don Hahn]

And they overdo it with the. With the old fashioned.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So I kind of feel. And then we did the, the. The sake.

[Alan Hahn]

Wait, do they do the kids sake?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but it's water or.

[Alan Hahn]

I know it's. I know it's not actual.

[Don Hahn]

You never know. I don't know what goes on when.

[Alan Hahn]

They go kid saki. Kid saki that they're actually spraying booze in the kids mouths. Do the kids love it?

[Don Hahn]

They love it. They think it's fun. And so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But.

[Don Hahn]

So I had a little. And I'm not a big fan of sake. I like the whole idea of it.

[Alan Hahn]

I know it's nasty.

[Don Hahn]

And. And so, you know.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what I don't like the idea of, Don? Can I be honest with you?

[Don Hahn]

What's that?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't like the idea of someone. You're like, ah, socky. And then I'm sitting there with my mouth open as a strange man sprays liquid into my mouth. It's not. It's actually not my favorite thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not exactly a photo you want.

[Alan Hahn]

It's just like. When you do it, I'm just like. I'm picturing someone else looking over, like, what is Rosenberg doing?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Why is his mouth wide open?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And why does it look so natural?

[Don Hahn]

But if that was at a McDonald's, I'd say, what is he doing? If it's at hibachi, it's what they do.

[Alan Hahn]

I know it's what they do, but it's. You've had it before, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I haven't done that.

[Alan Hahn]

Really? You pass on the sake?

[Don Hahn]

You pass on it, or you haven't done the vibe?

[Alan Hahn]

No, sir. Thank you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm all set.

[Alan Hahn]

He's all set.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't need anyone spraying or shooting anything.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you know what? Shooting anything in the mouth is not what you want. And also, Don, let's be fair. How many great drinks are made in the same distribution system that you get ketchup with? I mean, it's a spray bottle. It's like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's something about it.

[Alan Hahn]

Condiment bottle. Shooting alcohol at you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Imagine. How good is it? Imagine the horror on K's face.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, he would die.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A bottle that looks like it's holding a condiment.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you're trying to convince him. No, no, no. That's a drink. It's great.

[Alan Hahn]

He would never.

[Don Hahn]

I can't imagine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me just squeeze it here. Open your mouth, but stay like 10ft away from it.

[Don Hahn]

I can't imagine K would ever do hibachi, ever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, just the whole thing.

[Alan Hahn]

And by the way, it's the. The funniest thing. You're right about that. He wouldn't eat it. And it's so funny. It's a meal like children love. It's so basic. It's. It's rice and some chicken.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just throwing food bits at you like you're a dog.

[Don Hahn]

So you're not. You're not. You're not on board, Alan doesn't sound like, I have. I have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have taken part in Hibachi many times. It's fun with a group. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

We're having a good time, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just putting down some. Some k. Ichiban. Like something like that, but not too bad.

[Don Hahn]

But it's a good time when there's a holiday dinner. Let's. Let's do Hibachi. What do you think?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm all right with that. I'm just not gonna do.

[Alan Hahn]

That would be fun.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Spray sake. Maybe Peter can. I'll hold the camera.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's discuss.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We will discuss. Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know what sounds good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8.

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