Hour 2: Giants OC Search & Fraud Friday

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

Episode: Hour 2 – Giants OC Search & Fraud Friday

Date: January 30, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

Overview

This episode delves into the New York Giants’ ongoing search for an Offensive Coordinator after losing their top candidate, the psychology of long-suffering Jets fans, musings on switching sports fandom (“Fraud Friday”), classic New York sports heartbreaks, and the fun of sports conspiracy theories. The crew also takes listener calls, debates the boundaries of loyal fandom, and concludes with some Royal Rumble predictions from Peter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Giants’ Offensive Coordinator Search

(00:04–04:55)

• The Situation: The Giants are unexpectedly back on the hunt for an OC after Todd Monken takes the Browns’ head coaching job, leaving Jim Harbaugh without his expected play-caller.
• Candidate Names:
  • Shane Day (Chargers QB coach, ties to Jim Harbaugh)
  • Jim Bob Cooter (Colts)
  • Davis Webb, Alex Taney
  • Charlie Weis Jr. (currently at LSU, strong Giants connections)
• Discussion on Attractiveness of the Job:
  “I’m confident that they'll find someone that'll be able to do the job. …I think it's an attractive job… If you have, you know, a dominant six, seven years, maybe someday you might be able to replace [Harbaugh] down the road.” – Don (03:35)
• Organizational Stability: The group draws a contrast between Harbaugh’s calm, stable track record and less proven coaches, implying Giants fans can have confidence in the process under his leadership.

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2. Raw New York Jets Fandom

(05:36–13:51)

• Caller “Bobby” Laments Decades of Jets Pain:
  “I’m 75 in March. I’m turning blue… I deleted everything this year. I just couldn’t watch the games.” – Bobby (05:53)
• Hosts Reflect on Fan Loyalty:
  “The man's broken. You know, he's damaged.“ – Don (07:01)
  • They agree: after decades rooting for a losing team, it’s almost impossible to simply switch allegiances.
  • “It’s not going to feel the same. And it won't even be worth it.” – Alan (07:54)
• Rule for Fan Transitions:
  “You're not a fraud if you quit on your team and don't pick another. If you're going to tap out, say, all right, I’m done with football… but you can’t just pick up a new team.” – Don (08:02)
• Misery Olympics:
  The crew and a caller recount infamous Jets heartbreaks (e.g., playoff collapses, 15 years without the postseason), drawing painful parallels to Islanders and Sabres fans.

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3. Sports Conspiracy Theories

(14:22–22:18)

• Caller Anthony on LeBron’s Rookie of the Year (18:00): Proposes the NBA handed LeBron James Rookie of the Year over Carmelo Anthony as a consolation for missing the All-Star Game.
  • “LeBron was 18 years old and did not yet have any clout in the league.” – Alan (18:54)
  • “It’s easy to say that now when you see what LeBron James has become… but an 18 year old kid having that kind of sway? No.” – Don (19:05)
• Creating a Recurring Segment:
  The guys pitch “Conspiracy Mondays” and brainstorm about fun ways to bake conspiracies into the show’s DNA.
  “I think maybe it should simply become a new thing on our show that whenever we're talking about a topic of the day, callers just hit us with the conspiracy theory that we're not even asking for.” – Peter (20:34)
  • Banter about using classic paranormal/unsolved mysteries theme music (X-Files, In Search Of).

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4. Fraud Friday: The Ethics of “Switching Teams”

(23:35–36:57)

• Hypothetical: If the Jets Move Overseas, Can Fans Switch?
  • “Is it fraudulent behavior then for me to say, ‘Well, the Jets are gone, now I will root for the Giants?’” – Alan (24:48)
  • Don’s Legal Ruling:
    “It would not be fraudulent… They betray you. They leave. Was my dad a fraud when the Dodgers left for Los Angeles?... I can't call somebody a fraud if they pivot that way.” (25:07–27:37)
• Historical Context:
  The group discusses how fans adapted when the Dodgers left Brooklyn or Colts left Baltimore.
  • It’s more forgivable to switch to a local team when your team abandons you (less so if there were deep rivalries).
• Real-Life Examples/New York Fandom Nuances:
  • Many older fans switched allegiances simply because of ticket/unavailability issues (“The business forced you out.” – Alan, 30:30).
  • Having secondary loyalty to local teams for entertainment is “progressive,” but true loyalty shows when teams clash (33:09).

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5. Listener Letters & Real World Scenarios

(30:58–35:13)

• Antonio from Phoenix:
  Raised in Arizona by a North Jersey family, roots for Yankees, Knicks, Jets—but also enjoys D’Backs, Suns, Cardinals.
  • “Am I a fraud for being a fan of both NY and Arizona sports teams?”
    Don’s Ruling: “No. Fraud…But he cried when the Yankees lost to the Diamondbacks, so he shows his allegiance when it’s necessary.” (32:10–33:47)
• Hosts elaborate: If your “side team” is just entertainment and you’re consistent in big moments, it’s not fraudulent. “It's like the wife that lets you go to the strip club… but when my girl comes in from New York, I take her out nice.” – Alan (34:25)
• Station Fraud Example:
  A colleague “breaks up with the Jets,” boxes up all memorabilia, and roots for both NY teams…
  Don: “Fraud. Goodbye. He soiled himself… right in the middle of the email.” (36:21)

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6. The Emotional Reality of Lifelong (and Disillusioned) Fandom

(40:07–45:47)

• What’s the Point of Remaining a Fan?
  • “It’s almost like you stay in a loveless marriage for the children.” – Don (41:49)
• Alan’s Response:
  “I love Stephanie so much that if I ever lost her, I would never marry again... Nothing would compare. Right? So for me, I can't possibly root for another team now.” (41:49)
  • Alan admits emotional disconnection after Aaron Rodgers’ injury, but says he could never fully let go; quitting on the team “feels like quitting on my wife.”
  • Rosenberg predicts, “I think they start putting together a season, you start little by little, falling back in love again and… before you know, the flame is ignited.” (46:48)
• Don pushes:
  “It feels fraudulent. Like there. Get out. Well, why, why, why, why not just get out. You're obviously not completely in love. It's not, it doesn't define you. It's not who you are.” (43:43)

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7. Fun & Closer: Royal Rumble Predictions

(47:56–50:16)

• Peter's Picks for WWE Royal Rumble:
  • Men: “Chalk pick—Roman Reigns… but Obafemi [from NXT] would be a great swerve.”
  • Women: “Hope is Bianca Belair returns… but Becky Lynch actually has a chance to win this whole thing.” (48:20–49:33)
  • Quick wrestling banter and jokes about Rosy’s WWE scrapes and Don’s broadcasting family.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “The man's broken. You know, he's damaged.” – Don, on a caller’s lifetime of Jets heartbreak (07:01)
• “You’re not a fraud if you quit on your team and don’t pick another. If you tap out, just say I’m done with football… but you can’t just pick up a new team.” – Don (08:02)
• “If your family tree doesn’t fork, you might be a redneck.” – Peter, joking about coach names (02:37)
• “It’s almost like you stay in a loveless marriage for the children.” – Don (41:49)
• “I love Stephanie so much that if I ever lost her, I would never marry again… Nothing would compare. Right? So for me, I can't possibly root for another team now.” – Alan (41:49)
• “He soiled himself right in the middle of the email. Just all over himself.” – Don, about a fan’s ‘NY football fan’ fence-sitting (36:21)

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Notable Timestamps for Segments

• 00:04–04:55: Giants OC Search and John Harbaugh’s effect
• 05:36–13:51: Jets fandom agony; “Can you just switch teams?”
• 14:22–22:18: Conspiracy theories in sports—LeBron vs. Melo rookie year
• 23:35–36:57: Fraud Friday: what is "fraudulent" fandom?
• 40:07–45:47: Fandom as “loveless marriage”; existential fan crisis
• 47:56–50:16: Peter’s Royal Rumble picks

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Tone & Vibe

Spirited, irreverent, and deeply knowledgeable. The conversation blends humor (“If your family tree doesn’t fork...”), heartfelt confessions (Alan’s sports heartbreaks), New York bravado, and a passionate desire to define the ‘rules’ of true sports fandom. The hosts juggle nostalgia, therapy, and sports talk radio energy, making space for reflective banter, rulemaking, and listener engagement.

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For longtime NY sports fans and casual listeners alike, this episode delivers catharsis, camaraderie, and a touch of conspiracy-fueled fun.

Transcript

[A]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[B]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[A]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. All right, 402 in the big city with Don Lagreca and Peter Rosenberg. I'm Alan Hahn. We're having conspiracy theories today because it's just fun. Somehow, some way we got to this. Probably talking jets. Of course it was talking Jets. And we'll continue to talk jets with you and other conspiracy theories at 800 now 193776. Before we get back to the calls, though, on the giant side of things with Todd Monkin getting the Browns job. Now, the Giants are still looking for because everybody thought he was coming along with Harbaugh as the offensive coordinator, but he somehow some way got the job in Cleveland. And by the way, before we even go dive deeper, here is him having this interesting exchange speaking of conspiracy theories with Shador Sanders when he got the job. Listen.

[B]

How you doing? Welcome back to the States.

[A]

How we doing, man?

[B]

Good.

[A]

We tried to draft your last day.

[C]

It's all worked out. You remember that, right?

[B]

Someday we'll get a chance to talk about that.

[A]

Yeah, someday we'll get a chance to talk about that. Now, there was reporting, if I'm not mistaken, and correct me if I'm wrong, that the Ravens were going to draft Sanders. And Sanders said he didn't want to go to Baltimore, obviously because there was no opportunity to play with Lamar Jackson there. I believe that was part of the story there. But it is interesting about how someday we'll sit down and talk about that. So that happens there. The Giants now don't have a coordinator. They're still bringing in different names. Shane Day, who's the quarterback's coach with the Chargers, worked with John's brother, Jim is one of the names. And Peter, one of my favorite names in football, Jim Bob Coder from the Colts, he's another one that they are talking to along with Davis Webb and Alex Taney. So they're still looking for somebody.

[C]

Jim Bob Cooter is actually second cousins with Freddie Kee.

[A]

Of course he is. He has to be. He has.

[C]

I made it up, but I think.

[B]

It could be true.

[A]

I love it. No, he has. I mean, anybody named Jim Bob Cooter, he's gotta be related.

[C]

What's our, what's our other guy's name again? What's my. What's my other guy? Freddy's guy again?

[A]

That's right. We did have another in Biff. Biff.

[C]

Biff Poggy oh, come on. Poggy.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Biff. Yeah.

[C]

That's the family. That's the. That's the family right there.

[A]

The Holy Trinity.

[B]

If your family tree doesn't fork, you might be a redneck. And also another name you didn't mention is Charlie Weiss Jr. Well, I didn't.

[A]

Because it doesn't sound like he's leaving Ole Miss now. He's going to be the right hire.

[B]

Well, he's. Well, he's at lsu. Was that Ole Miss?

[A]

My mistake. Of course, he went with.

[B]

He ended up moving to LSU with Lane Kiffin.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But if he's offered an OC job with the Giants, I'm sure he can get out of his contract.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And of course, you've got the quarterback. Right. That dart that. That worked with him at Ole Miss, I don't love it because he's. His whole body of work is in college, but he worked directly with your quarterback, so. And he obviously has got the talk about family tree.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, with his dad and the relationship with the Giants there. So you wonder if he'll stay at LSU or is that a possibility?

[A]

So is there concern, though, Don?

[B]

No. I mean, I know that there's people that, you know, how do they lose out among them? Well, he went. He got a head coaching job. I know it's a head coaching job in Cleveland, but it's a head coaching job, you know, you got to take it. They'll find. I'm confident that they'll find someone that'll be able to do the job. I'm not that worried about it. I think it's an attractive job. That coach came here because he loved the quarterback. I'm sure there's ocs that feel like working with him is going to be something that's going to help be helpful. And also as good as I think Harbaugh is going to be, you know, he's a guy. Was he 63 years old? I mean, if it works, hey, maybe you're the oc. And when he decides to retire, if you have, you know, a dominant six, seven years, then maybe someday you might be able to replace him down the road somewhere. So I still think it's an attractive job. I don't think the Giants are overly worried about it. There are good names still available.

[A]

Peter, you think it's like when you're John Harbaugh, like, you have a sense of calm that you put around an organization. Like, we are just, you know, you're in panic mode about Aaron Glenn because there's no track record there's no credibility yet built up. But it's John Harbaugh. So is that it? Does it make you have less anxiety? Because he'll figure it out. Whatever he hires, you know it's going to work because he has gone through a lot of coordinators in his time in Baltimore because a lot of them do end up moving on to better jobs.

[C]

Yeah, but that's exactly right. Part of the reason that you feel like you scored so big when you get a John Harbaugh is you're getting someone who comes from a stable situation. Part of a stable situation is bringing in good coordinators. And even better, they're good enough to leave and you find other ones. If you've been able to do that multiple times, obviously that gives you a ton of confidence. Most people don't come with that sort of cachet. And respectfully to Aaron Glenn. Yeah, I don't know that anyone was thinking, hey, Aaron Glenn, can you be a head coach of a football team? Oh, can you also like hire like eight people in the off season? I don't know that anyone felt good about that.

[A]

No. No. So we'll see where all that goes. But they are still in the process there. 800-919-3776 we have another pained jets fan. This is Bobby in Port Washington. Bobby, where are you at right now with the Jets?

[D]

Hi guys. Thanks for taking me on. If you remember not to remember, but last year, some months ago, I went on quite a bit from Titans Polo Grounds until Joe Willie happened, yada, yada, I'm the broken guy. I don't know if you remember that, but I've had it. I'm 375 in March. I'm turning blue. You know, I've always kind of. I didn't. I deleted everything this year. I just couldn't watch the games. And I gotta tell you, I love that Jason Dart. I think he's a winner. And I just need to. I don't know if it's a vacation or full time. I'll never totally get the green out of my system. But my focus, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna watch when Jason Dart' who I'm going to watch quickly into the Knicks. Please don't go for Giannis. We won the Cup. Don't tell me those games weren't hard fought. It was real at the end. During. They didn't really give a as much at that last playoff. Then they won.

[B]

We should have disconnected after the second Jason.

[A]

Yeah, but you know, Jason Darts, that was the first indication.

[B]

So forget about his little.

[C]

He's a broken man.

[B]

The man's broken. You know, he's damaged.

[A]

He's turning blue.

[B]

The fact that he's called. He called him Jason Dart. No. Tells me that.

[A]

Didn't get it. No, no. To me, the first one was when he said he was turning blue. I thought, yeah, that can happen when you've been waiting a long time for something.

[B]

Yeah, but he's 75.

[C]

Oh, really? Really, Alan, Why is that all you think about?

[A]

He's been waiting a long time for the Super Bowl.

[B]

God, doesn't work anymore.

[A]

Turn him blue.

[B]

75. But he wouldn't be all in because you know, he's like, I'm going to become a Giant fan. And you can't even say the guy. The quarterback's name tells me you wouldn't be all in. Yeah, anybody that want at this stage of his life. I'm not telling him not to give up on the team if he wants to quit. The reason you don't divert to another team. It'll never work. All those years of being a Jet fan, you think you're going to muster any passion for some other team.

[A]

It's not going to feel the same.

[B]

It's not going to feel the same. And it won't even be worth it.

[A]

So you'll feel weird, too. It'll feel. You can't do it.

[B]

I'm not. I'm not giving my ruling. This is a different kind of topic. Okay, but I've always said that you're not a fraud if you quit on your team and don't pick another. If you just. If you're going to tap out, say, all right, I'm done with football. I'll watch it as a casual fan.

[A]

But you have to abstain.

[B]

I'll bet the games. Right. But I'm not going to be passionate.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think you can be. You'd be faking it if you. If you were. Andy's in. Villanova. At Villanova. Andy.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Okay.

[B]

What's going on, fellas?

[A]

How are you?

[B]

All right. Well, you know, it's doing the best I can.

[D]

That 98 game, there was a couple.

[B]

Of things that were like, oh, my goodness.

[C]

The.

[D]

In the first half, one key play.

[B]

It was. There was a ser. There was a two play sequence where buyers.

[D]

I believe it was buyers went into.

[B]

Motion and then a ball rolled out onto the field. When that happened, Romanowski stayed in the middle of the defense gets come back. So the referees. The ball rolled out onto the Field.

[D]

And the referees stopped the play gets come back and they seems like they're.

[B]

Running the exact same play. Byers goes into the motion to the right.

[D]

Then he throws it in the flat to Byers.

[B]

But this time Romanowski follows him when.

[D]

He goes out to the flat and he gets hit, fumbles.

[B]

And Romanowski is there to recover the ball. Right. Right on the sidelines.

[A]

Yeah, you know, it was one of.

[D]

Those things just like.

[B]

Oh, you know, just things that happen. Yeah, that only happens to the Jets.

[A]

No, it was it the fact that it was like I said 10 nothing and then 10 seven and it just felt like all right, but I mean you're up 10. Yeah, but, and, and you didn't score again the rest of the game and you gave up, you know, 23 unanswered. But 10 nothing. Dom was like that last moment. You've. It's all these experiences. It's the last moment you feel something but. But you knew it was just something always happens and I used it. I wore this one out for years with Bart. Lucy pulling away the football. Every time as a Jets fan, you think that she's not going to pull it away this time. I'm kicking it to kingdom come and every time it gets pulled away. That's the life of a Jets fan.

[B]

Yeah, I get it. But boy, those were the glory years compared to what's happened over the last 15. And by the way, I don't know how many football fans follow hockey. The Sabres are really good, so it looks like they're going to end their streak at 14. So the jets will be all by their lonesome 15 straight years of missing the playoffs. But you know what? The Broncos were better in Denver. That's a tough, that's tough win in Indianapolis against Peyton Manning and the Colts.

[A]

That's tough.

[B]

You know, winning Pittsburgh against Ben Roethlisberger. That's tough. You know, I can't talk about those losses.

[A]

They, they won in New England against Tom Brady and, and, and the Patriots. It's not like to say that those teams, that those, those Rex teams couldn't have won there. Was it Chris Jenkins, they were missing him. They, they. I know one of the games they like, I didn't like how they would. And I know opposing defenses would make Mark throw. Cause they were a ground and pound team. They were a run the ball team for whatever reason. I thought it was the Colts game. They wouldn't run the ball. And I, you know, like little things like that, that stay with you.

[B]

The killer thing is they, they would have beat the Falcons in the Super Bowl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and then that's the thing that's got to kill you.

[A]

Like next year they were the best team in the league and.

[B]

Right. Because you're an Islander fan too. Islanders beat the Lightning in that Covid year.

[A]

Oh, God.

[B]

They're beating the Canadians.

[A]

They're beating the Canadians and they're winning the Cup.

[B]

Well, that's what kills you.

[A]

Well, I'll go back to. If you go back to 93, they win the fifth cup before the Rangers end the 1940 thing in 93. If. Think about it. If Tertan doesn't get hurt. If he doesn't get hurt, they go to the final, they win, they beat Gretzky again.

[B]

And you might, you might be Gretzky. But those, but just, just talking about those three championship loss, especially 98.

[A]

That one stays with.

[B]

But lumping it in with what we see now is insulting to those teams.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like those are good team teams. Well run teams. They.

[A]

Different franchises do it. They feel like franchises.

[B]

Donnie, there's a difference between like failing on the field because the team that you played was better or it wasn't your day. But to 15 straight years of missing the playoffs, you know, 15 straight. And it doesn't look like it's going to end anytime soon.

[A]

Anytime soon. No.

[C]

Sweet 16 and, and, and only. And if we're being fair, the Patriots were only truly the Patriots for half of that 15 years. The second half. The second half, they haven't been the Patriots.

[A]

Yeah. 2018 is when the run ended. Right. For New England.

[C]

And then the Bills. And the Bills jumped in.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And, and so. But you can't blame it on Belichick and Brady. Like they actually found a way.

[B]

This isn't during the prime of Belichick.

[C]

And Brady to get to championship games.

[B]

You know, Jordan was in the way of the Knicks. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then, and then Elij. Yeah. You know, like that's, that's a little different. You're right. Because a lot of this run it. You can't, you know, you blame yourself. Heck, you haven't been in the game. The only One of the 15 years they've been in the game was the Bulls. 10 and six year.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Otherwise it's not even close. That was the only heartbreaker. You lost. You lost the final game of the season. You had a chance to go to the playoffs. Everything else has been under 500 out of it by the time we got to Halloween.

[A]

And that team was, you know, for the most part that season, you had Fitz, Magic. Like there was a lot going on that year to make you feel like that that might have been something. But to be honest with you, don, in this 15 year run, they have had one winning season. It's the one you're talking about.

[B]

That's it.

[A]

A couple of times they had the 500 because you could do the 8 and 8. But man, but even that was a once they had eight and eight. I'm sorry, once.

[B]

And that was a decade ago. We were talking about 2015.

[A]

Like that. That's again, we do this as we act like 2015, I feel like it was two years ago.

[B]

But we all know that's why we're talking about, you know, having a 17 to 6 lead in Indianapolis in the championship game and kind of lumping it in with this pap, you know, it's like throwing flaming on on a turd.

[A]

Do you guys want more conspiracy theories?

[C]

Wait, wait. I do. I do. I just want to say one thing.

[A]

Please do.

[C]

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[A]

How are your mentals right now, Peter? I mean, you. You got to start feeling it now. The time difference. You're doing a lot of media now. How thrown off do you Feel right now.

[B]

Let's call attention to it. Go ahead. You weren't thinking about it till now.

[A]

No, no, no, no. It's clear his brain is not fully functioning on American sports right now.

[C]

Well, because I forgot who they were playing. I think that was another couple of seconds and I. Seattle, That may be a drop. We may hear that again. I feel my brain is actually not fried.

[A]

Good.

[C]

I will tell you that like ever since the flight my, my stomach has been not great. I haven't felt like physically great. I was talking to chat GPT about it. Apparently this is something that can happen on like a 12 hour flight to them being in a different time zone. So like you get bloated on the plane, then you're eating at the wrong times and your body gets like thrown off. And I've just kind of felt like stomach achy and not awesome. But mentally I'm, I'm actually okay. Tomorrow though, I, I have to take the bus to the venue in the morning and then the show doesn't air until 10 o' clock local time. So my countdown show starts at 8 o'. Clock. Royal Rumble's at 10 o' clock local. That's 2pm Back in New York. I'll do the post show at 1am and then not to sound too much like Don Lagra, we then go straight to the charter and take off at like 5am oh, so tomorrow is going to be the back breaker.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then at the risk of I'm not going to say anything publicly, but then there's an event that I'd like to go to on Sunday evening when I get home. I don't know if I can pull it together. I'm gonna have to see because we land in Philadelphia and then I'll get in a car and come back.

[A]

Wow. That's why you get paid surviving. But you gotta, you know, you gotta battle through.

[C]

That's right.

[A]

That's hashtag Peter Strong. We're with you though.

[B]

That's right, we're with you.

[A]

We love conspiracy theories. Anthony in my birth town of Ronkonkoma is on with us now. Anthony.

[D]

Hey gentlemen, thank you for calling, for taking my call. Alan, Peter, Don, thank you so much. So I have an NBA conspiracy. We all, you know, we've all heard of the frozen envelope, but my conspiracy theory is about how LeBron James won rookie of the Year despite Melo winning Rookie of the Month every month.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Now people, I have heard this conspiracy theory that LeBron James gave a stink about not making the All Star Game in His rookie year. Now he was a rookie, but he was the phenom. He was the next big thing. And they acquiesced and gave him rookie of the year to appease him. And then he didn't miss another All Star game until this year. So I just want to hear your thoughts on that. Love the show, guys. Thank you so much. And Peter, after you guys answer this, if you can give me your Royal Rumble predictions.

[B]

Guys, have a great one.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

Do that before we let Peter go. For sure. I don't like this conspiracy theory because LeBron was 18 years old and did not yet have any clout in the league.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Your thoughts?

[B]

I think that's it. You know, it's easy to say that now when you see what LeBron James has become. And everybody knew LeBron James was huge. But an 18 year old kid having that kind of sway?

[A]

No, he didn't think so. Not yet. Especially in that league at the time when you still had people who, you know, who had some clout, who were swinging it. So I love sports.

[B]

Conspiracy theories are so much fun. No, they're great.

[A]

I really think. You know what? This gives us a new list. List idea. Maybe for the summer.

[B]

I might.

[A]

Five conspiracy theories that we can create. Not that are out there, that we curate ourselves. Five conspiracy theories you've never heard, but.

[C]

We'Ll believe there could be something to it. Or it's just a funny thought.

[B]

Hang on, everybody.

[D]

Post NFL draft, we're going to need.

[B]

Something to replace the NFL binge.

[C]

So a different conspiracy theory.

[B]

Conspiracy Mondays.

[A]

I don't mind that I like it.

[B]

That's a lot of conspiracy, not alliterations.

[A]

Well, you don't have to do a five every Monday. We could do one.

[B]

Just create. Now you're saying.

[A]

And then debate it.

[B]

Or just, hey, something that's happening and then like with what we're doing today with the conspiracy theories on, it could be either.

[A]

What do you think, Peter? I think we could do it either way. It could be something in current events that we could create into a conspiracy or just one from the past that we could say this happened. I have a conspiracy theory about it.

[C]

I think we may be like over planning it. I think maybe it should simply become a new thing on our show that whenever we're talking about a topic of the day, callers just hit us with the conspiracy theory that we're not even asking for.

[B]

That could be what we do every Monday and it could be monspiracy instead of con mon seracy.

[A]

Okay, what do you think? Now we can sell it. We definitely have to have fun.

[B]

Oh, we're gonna sell it.

[A]

And we could use like what, what. What would be like this? Like what.

[B]

What.

[A]

What shows like a. Like not a Ripley's Believe it or not or a.

[B]

Unsolved Mysteries. What was the one with the Leonard Nimoy narrating? Was that the one Unsolved Mysteries?

[A]

No, that was. I was just thinking of that one. Don.

[C]

Mythbusters.

[A]

No, that's.

[B]

That's more modern. But the one with Leonard Nimoy, that was Loch Ness Monster.

[A]

Oh, there was no. There was so many.

[B]

What was the name of that? Oh, it's gonna bother me now. I'll find it. Leonard Nimoy In Search of Find.

[A]

Find. That's the. The theme song or the theme. They would play that. Or the Twilight Zone.

[B]

Yeah, but. But I have a feeling that In Search of Theme will be perfect for this.

[A]

I'm almost.

[B]

See if you can find it, Jacob, before we go to break. It should be easy to find. Yeah, well, Leonard Nimoy In Search of It'll pop right up. They'll have the opening credits, The Music Bang. YouTube. Love it. I love it because I'm on YouTube. I love it because it has all the answers.

[A]

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[C]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[A]

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[B]

I'm A fraud with a capital F.

[A]

Is your friend a fraud?

[C]

I have been a complete and utter fraud.

[A]

Are you a Frau? What is fraud? Let's ask Tom McGregor.

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[A]

Brought to you by D' Agostino Law. Well, this is Friday, and before we get into. Peter. All of the fraud submissions, the honorable Donald legreca is agreeing to advise us.

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[A]

Offer us free legal advice on this topic that we brought up earlier in the show.

[C]

What if, as we speak of legal advice. By the way, it's. It is Fraud Alert Friday. Brought to you by d' Agostino Law. Continue.

[A]

Can't do it without the song. So we had a caller suggest in our conspiracy theories that what if there was this idea that Woody Johnson just wants to have the jets be so bad that they can then move to the UK and be the first NFL team to play in Europe? Right. We thought that was kind of silly, but it brought up an interesting point.

[B]

What?

[A]

Let's just say that happens. And now I'm a Jets fan. I don't have a team anymore because it left the country, literally. Is it fraudulent behavior? Then don't. For me to say, well, the jets are gone now. I will root for the Giants.

[B]

I will rule. And my ruling is, it would not be fraudulent. Wow. Because Agostino, what else are you supposed to do? All right, now, we live in a world where you could still follow the team, right? Because we've got the NFL package and you got serious satellite radio. You got the Internet, so you can miss a beat. But they left you. You became a Jet fan. Because why? Most people, because they were born in New York and they happen to fall in love with the jets, they betray you. They leave. Was my dad a fraud? When the Dodgers left for Los Angeles, I mean, he tried to continue to follow the team. He couldn't. It was hard. And then when the Mets came in, he became a Met fan. Would he have been a fraud? He felt he would have been a fraud if he became a Yankee fan.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But they were rivals. He couldn't do it because the Dodgers and Yankees played in the World Series all the time. There is no real rivalry between the jets and the Giants, except for the geography, the fans getting on each other. They've never met in a Super bowl, they've never met in the postseason. They've had a couple of big games here and there, but there isn't any real rivalry. Dodgers, Yankees was a rivalry that was like almost Yankees, Red Sox, it was almost like Rangers, Islanders, it was that kind of Rivalry couldn't do it. But if, let's say there was no rivalry between the Dodgers and the Yankees and the Mets never came to be. And it was just going to be the Yankees. Would he be a fraud if he just decided, all right, I'm going to be a Yankee fan because I love baseball and I don't want to stop following the sport? I don't think it'd be fraudulent. They betrayed you, they left you. You didn't choose to leave them, they left you. And now I've got to adjust. Why should I be punished and not follow a team because my team got greedy and decided to leave New York? Because that's what.

[C]

Yeah, they're the frauds.

[B]

That wouldn't be, hey, we're not drawing anybody. We're losing money. We gotta go. It was all those greener pastures out there in the uk. We're going to leave you flat. I can't call somebody a fraud if they were to pivot that way. I mean, I would honor the person and I would respect the person that says, I'm done with football. I'm not going to root for the Giants, but I'm not going to stick a label on somebody who says, you know what? I got left flat. I got left to the altar. I can't remarry. I can't marry the neighbor.

[C]

The hotel marry the neighbor.

[B]

Neighbor wife with a brand new coach and a nice quarterback.

[C]

She's got a. If she's a wife, I mean, that's tough.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, no. Well, not. Why. I mean, I'll make her my wife. She's single, she's available, she's got the brand new head coach, shiny new quarterback, different court. Different court. That's actually, Actually we live in the same house.

[A]

That's true. You don't even have to change your address. Okay.

[B]

No fraud.

[A]

It's a great. No, it's a great example of the. Because that was my mother. My mother was a Brooklyn Dodgers fan. They left. She couldn't root for the Yankees, but she did tell me that she went to Yankee games because she loved baseball so much that she would go to Yankee games. But she wasn't really a Yankees fan. And when the Mets came around, it immediately was, well, I'm a National League fan. That's my team. So now I'm a Mets fan. That's what that was about. I also wonder if, like, when the Colts left Baltimore, like, and now you're in Baltimore, and then the Ravens come around, you become a Ravens. You're not a fraud. Right.

[B]

You know is, that's a good question, Peter. How many cult fans became then Redskin fans because the Colts were gone?

[C]

It would be, We've had this conversation.

[B]

It was a dozen years later that the Ravens, so for, for over a decade they had done something. What did they do?

[C]

Well, it's, it's funny that you say that because I know what happened. A lot of them did become Redskin fans. And by the time the Ravens came back around, the Redskins were on the fall off. So then what did the frauds do? They jump back to the Ravens. Ravens are in the super bowl now. The second the Ravens show up, they get in the Super Bowl Bowl. They're done with the Redskins again.

[B]

Now I've got a question for you guys before we get to the calls and emails. Do you realize I don't know the percentage, but there are a lot of Jet fans that became Jet fans. You'd have to be older, like way older than me. Like there's probably a lot of Jet fans that are in their 70s or 80s or 60s that were giant fans could not get tickets. And that was back in the day when the games were blacked out at home. And then when the jets came, tickets were available and they said, you know what? I want to go see football. I'm going to become a Jet fan because I can buy the tickets and I can go to the games. Are you a fraud? If you did that now again, you couldn't, you couldn't watch the games then if you didn't go to the game, my father would rent a motel room in like Connecticut and they drive with a bunch of buddies with a, with pizza and a six and a case of beer. At least that's what he watched the game.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[C]

Just, I mean he might have left.

[B]

Some things out, but those are the parts that he told me.

[A]

Yeah. It's a good story though.

[B]

Is that forgivable or is that fraudulent behavior?

[A]

I, I, I feel like it's because the business forced you out, didn't it?

[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

Team wasn't available to you? How can I root for a team that's not available to me? I can't get a ticket, watch it on tv. What do you want me to do?

[B]

A team representing New York and. Yeah, and I can go to the games.

[A]

That's emotional abandonment.

[B]

But just, just a thought, but we got today, Peter. Anything good?

[A]

Let's go. Peter.

[C]

Are you kidding me? Of course we do. Every, every week people send us their emails. Dhre espn mail.com Am I a fraud. Hi, guys. Antonio and Phoenix here. Big fan of the show. I'm writing to the honorable Judge Lagreca to get an official ruling on my sports fandom. I was born in Phoenix and have lived here essentially my whole life. My entire family's from North Jersey, and I was raised a diehard Yankee, Knicks and Jet fan. On the other hand, here we go. Since I grew up here in Arizona and still live in Phoenix, I do also consider myself a fan of the D backs, Suns and Cardinals. However, I always give my New York team's number one one priority. And whenever they're in town playing the local teams, I will attend the games in full NY gear and root for them to win without question. For example, when the D backs beat the Yankees in the 2001 World Series, I was a young kid, but I remember crying my eyes out because the Yankees lost. My fiance likes to poke fun at me and call me a Frogs. I've never lived in New Jersey and says the Arizona team should be my number one. Am I a fraud for being a fan of both NY and Arizona school sports teams?

[B]

No. Fraud. Wow.

[A]

Did not.

[B]

Honoring his family by rooting for the Jets, Knicks and the Yankees. They take priority when they play one of the Arizona teams. But being somebody from Phoenix, I can understand him having affinity for those teams and going to those games because he just can't, you know, Travel, you know, 2,000 miles every day to go see those teams play. But he cried when the Yankees lost to the Diamondbacks, so he shows his allegiance when it's necessary. But he's a sports fan and he's representing that area. And let's face it, there is. Really. Other than when the Diamondbacks play the Yankees, there's no rivalry between the Phoenix, Arizona area and the New York area, right?

[C]

No.

[B]

So how are you feeling about this? I say no for fraud.

[C]

I. I love this. I think this shows an evolving in our judge, a grow. It's a more. Listen, it's a more progressive ruling. I would say that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But I will say I think it shows empathy because to live in a place like Arizona, you're so far away, but your whole family's from North Jersey. Like, don't get me wrong, it does reek of a little bit of fraudulence. But if he had said, oh, I switched here, but now I. But he didn't.

[B]

He's.

[C]

He's consistent. I. I kind of like it.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like. Like we're. We're being lenient because the idea of crying when your team lost to the team that you normally have watch regularly, it. It kind of suggests that's the team you care about more.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

So it's sort of like. Yeah, so, yeah, I. I see why you're being lenient there, but so I guess what the. What his Arizona teams mean to him is just. It's just entertainment. It's just something to do. So see, he's going to the club, but the dance that, you know, she's on the pole. I don't, you know, like. Yeah, it's. It's entertaining me, but, you know, when my girl comes in from New York, I take her out. Nice. Like this is. It's special sort of like that keep me busy. I go to the club, just watch. No big deal.

[B]

Wow. So it's the wife that lets you go to the strip club.

[A]

Well, because she's. She lives in New York for some reason.

[B]

So if you got that, like a progressive wife that says, listen, I'm on the road a lot.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not home enough.

[B]

So I'm not home. I'm not there to be with you and to take care of you. So if you feel like you want to go to the strip club. Yeah, just go to the club.

[A]

Don't worry about it.

[B]

You don't want to, you know, you. You want to get, you know, take the laptop, you know, go. Go to town. I'm. You're good. We're good. I get it. But when I come home, it's better me home.

[A]

Yeah, it's just me.

[B]

You better shut that laptop.

[A]

Yeah, I think it's like that judge.

[B]

We don't.

[D]

We don't have a lot of time.

[B]

What are you trying to say? Jacob has in station fraud that needs to be brought to you. Is it te worthy? Can we bring it back? I think we should bring it back.

[A]

All right.

[B]

Cuz I want to be able to give this time. It's station fraud.

[A]

Yeah, station fraud.

[B]

That's a new kind of fraud. What happened, Peter?

[A]

I'm sorry.

[C]

It is. Well, no, I don't. I was gonna say I don't know if it's tease worthy.

[B]

No, I don't think so either.

[C]

It's not one of the. Yeah, it's not one of. It's not one of the on air talents from.

[B]

All right, well, you know, quick then let's just do it quick. Go ahead.

[A]

Get to it.

[B]

Go ahead.

[C]

It's. It's. It's from our friend Michael Navara.

[B]

Okay. Big fan.

[C]

He said. This is the note I sent to jets fan Friends and family. Let's go Giants. I'm done with the jets guys.

[A]

Oh, boy.

[C]

The end of season presser with Glenn and Muji finalized it for me. After that, I felt devoid of any fandom I ever had. I was astonished at how I felt. It was something I've never felt before. So I took it as a sign to move on. I vacated any semblance of fandom I've ever had and relegated it to a box. Jerseys, hats, picks, yearbooks, lanyards, ticket stubs, gone. Wiped. Any social media too. It's over. Back in 1998, I was an NY football fan. Jets and Giants and my NYC friends.

[B]

I love you, Mike Fraud. Goodbye. Now we're done. That's the same thing I told him. Oh, disgusted right there. Just really. He soiled himself right in the middle of the email. Just all over. All over himself. Here's the. We were just talking about the wife that lets, you know, let you think outside the box when she's not around.

[C]

I got a Rick, this is okay.

[B]

I think I can read it on the air. I believe. Do you want.

[C]

Do you have to.

[B]

I believe the Rosenbergs refer to that as the Amazon guy.

[C]

That is.

[A]

While he Amazon a million miles from home.

[C]

That's the thing.

[B]

No.

[C]

And listen with child.

[B]

And he's got no reason to think she'd ever stray.

[C]

You know what? You know what, though? I want to hear the siren for Don. Let's be honest. Fraud. No, no, there you go. Because he, because Alan, sometimes he acts like the one who defends me and goes, no, it's too far. But he's the one making the choice to read the emails.

[B]

These are his choices. Because I've always told you, Peter, I am a slave to good radio. And sometimes that had to be heard because while you were reading Navarro's Pure Fraud Pap, I read that text and I laughed out loud. And people saw me on YouTube. I had to share.

[C]

Navarro really killed it, by the way, when he said I knew the line that killed Don. I'm an NY foot ball fan.

[A]

I, I, I love all New York teams. I want all New York teams to win.

[C]

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[B]

But I do have, I do have a message for Jet fans when we come back. If, if you're Interested.

[A]

A message for jets fans.

[B]

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[A]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[C]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[A]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[B]

I thought about it with Navarro's, you know, giving up on the jets.

[A]

Wait, wait, is this the Nimoy theme? This is in search of.

[B]

Yeah, but this. This doesn't sound right though, does it?

[A]

Don't love this. We could do better.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Yeah, we're gonna do better and better.

[B]

Like the Twilight Zone might be just too Twilight Zone, but too obvious. It would be better than that. Yeah, just a little.

[A]

What was the. What was the David Duchovny show? What was that called? X Files.

[C]

X Files.

[B]

Oh, that. That might be.

[A]

That. That'd be perfect.

[B]

Isn't that.

[C]

Dude, I used to use the X Files all the time.

[A]

Oh, you did the.

[C]

On the old radio station. That will not be mentioned. Oh, but it still works very well.

[A]

Works here.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. But with everything that's going on, if you As a Jet fan, just. If you said you were done and you just didn't pick up another football team, I. I could completely understand at this point. Wouldn't you? Like, because, Alan, you were talking about, you're 10 toes down, you know, But. But what are you gaining from that? Like, it's almost like you stay in a loveless marriage for the children. You're staying in it for the children. Right. So there's a reason, you know, I'm going to stick with this because I believe that one day they're going to win. You've admitted you don't think that's ever going to happen. So what exactly are you accomplishing by toughing it out, ruining your life? Sticking with this team? What ultimately is gained? What, with a slim chance eventually they'll win?

[A]

Here's how I'll put it. I love Stephanie so much that if I ever lost her, I would never marry again. Never. Not even. Not even a thought in my mind. Doesn't mean I wouldn't. It's that. That's just how it is. Because nothing will compare. Right? So for me, I can't possibly root for another team now. I can. I could take breaks, which I'm going to do, which I did this year. You saw, I was emotionally disconnected from this team this year.

[B]

But.

[A]

But it doesn't mean that I still keep an eye on it. I still. It still matters to me. And there's just no way I could have the same feeling just. Just suddenly, at my age, after everything I've been through since 1980 with this franchise, for me to then just go, I'm gonna root for the Giants now.

[B]

Or I'm gonna root for whoever.

[A]

Now I agree. Do it.

[B]

All right. So I'm telling you to do that. I'm telling you to just quit it and not pick up another team and just say, I'm done. I'm not a Jet fan. I'll watch football casually. I'll bet on the game.

[A]

That's how. But the.

[B]

But it's kind of like what I'm.

[A]

Doing is more than just shutting it down. No, because I don't want to declare that. I don't want to do that.

[B]

Why not? What? What. What you said you're 10.

[A]

Because it's easy for me.

[B]

It's.

[A]

First of all, I'm not, like, I am not what some of these fans are, which are so die hard. It's in their life. They have season tickets. They go to every single home game in tailgate. They built a bus and painted it green. And drive it to the games. Their license plates are something jets related. Their whole lives are Jets. They're way in. And I get it. I'm not that. So I can easily just walk away for a while.

[B]

What I'm saying is those people that drive the bus, that have the tattoos, their reason is it's my life and I'm not giving up on it because it's who I am. It's my identity. Being a Jet fan is my identity.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's not you, right? And to walk away, just to come back to me, that feels fraudulent. Like there. Get out. Well, why, why, why, why not just get out. You're obviously not completely in love. It's not, it doesn't define you. It's not who you are.

[A]

But I'm not that kind of a fan. I've never been like that in anything. It's not like Nick's. I, it's, it's my job, so I care, but it's not, I'm not like, I'm not that historic. I've never been a jersey wearing face paint kind of fan. I don't have a room in my house dedicated to a team. I've never been like that. But it doesn't mean I don't have emotions and care about teams and want to see my teams win. And I'm not the type of person that can easily just say, like, again, I root for all New York teams. Like, I, I don't, like, I don't exist in that world either. So that's why I can just say, you know, they're on. But this season, after watching two or three games, I just said, you know, they're not going to consume my energy this year. They're not worth.

[C]

But haven't we all? I know what it's like to have a season. My team is by far the most important part of my football love. I'm not a fantasy guy. I, it's my team. But on the, in the years in which they were terrible and don't make the playoffs, I'm still, I still want to be dialed into football every weekend. I still in, I still find a way to enjoy it. I don't want to give up on the whole thing altogether.

[A]

You do? I watch. I still watch every weekend. I still watch, I still care, I still talk about it, but I'm not going to have the same kind of energy. And you know what? After 15 years, I don't remember what it's like to be that fired up for the Jets.

[B]

But what I'm Saying is, I guess for you, then. Then why even just, Just be done. Like you, You're. Because what you're describing with the wife, right? You're. You're what? You love your wife. It doesn't sound like you love the jets anymore. You're not gonna fall back in love.

[C]

Well, no, he would. That's the difference. You know what it is. But you know what it is.

[B]

You know how easy it is to be a fan, Peter. If I just got to tap out there in the bad times, when they get good again, I'll go climb back and forth.

[A]

No, no, I was. I was there with Roger. I was there with Rogers. I really was. I was all in. That was Camelot. And then the Achilles happened. And I. I'm tell. I don't. I can't describe it. That moment I sat on the couch, everybody was. My kids. My wife kept saying, did he get hurt? I couldn't hear anything. It was just white noise because I just hit this point of like, oh, my God. Like it always happens. I just don't know what it was. And I haven't been the same since then. Right?

[B]

And I don't. And what I'm saying is I think that I, I, I think you're done. I think if they ever got back.

[A]

It wouldn't feel the same.

[B]

Hello. But not follow it the same way you did before.

[A]

Because dead. I hate that Dead's dead. Yeah. I hate.

[C]

No, it's. No, but here's last thing I'll say. I won't know until I think Don is wrong. I think Don is wrong. I think. I think they start putting together a season. You start little by little, falling back in love again. And then a couple of moments happen and before you know, the flame is ignited. I. I just had Janet Jackson away.

[A]

All the way over that Janet Again song again. That's exactly the song. All right. We don't have much time.

[C]

A friend today.

[A]

What a great.

[C]

She said you were in town.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Sorry about it.

[A]

No, I could sing it with you.

[B]

Miss Janet, if you nasty.

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But that's. Yeah.

[B]

For Miss Jackson, I guess.

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Absolutely.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That's a good one, too.

[B]

Before we lose Peter, learn to like this. I always thought that was really sexy when she said that I can learn to like this. I thought that was dead sexy.

[A]

It's a great point.

[B]

What do you think, Peter? You're you, you right.

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I think. I think everything about the woman. Well, 1985, right to 2002, right after the greatest things we've ever seen.

[B]

I. I get It. But just. But there could be level, right? There could be levels.

[C]

Yeah. But to me, my Prime Janet is 93. It's the Janet album. The, the song that Alan was referencing. That was the period when I'm going to the concerts. I'm. I was so in. Oh, my God.

[B]

I can learn to like this.

[A]

I can learn the.

[B]

Like.

[A]

This was a Tom.

[C]

We'll give you a moment during the break. You got your towel off a little bit.

[A]

Yeah. Don might need a towel. In the meantime, he's going on the road again. Peter. So we have Royal Rumble. We can't let you go without getting some. Some of the names here, by the way. Roman Reigns, Cody Rhodes, Rey Mysterio, Brock Lesnar. I know you were making a big deal about that this morning. Give me a. Give me a little feel of what, what, what should we expect and what are you anticipating?

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Well, let's see, they have. There are still 13 spots on the men's side that haven't been announced. 14 on the women's side. So there will be some surprises. The level of those surprises, you know, we won't know until tomorrow when that music hits. That's the beauty of the Royal Rumble. My pick for the men's side is. Is pretty chalk, in my opinion. Okay, I'm going Roman Reigns. I think it's. It's been two years. With Roman Reigns now sort of removed from the top of the card in wwe, I think it is fully time for Roman to take back over. I'm taking Roman there, although obviously Brock wouldn't shock me. And, and the sleeper that I would love is the. Is the new guy from nxt. Obafemi. I would love that. That if they wanted to just throw everything on its head, Obafemi wins the Royal Rumble. Doubt it'll happen. Would be sweet. As for the women's side, my hope is that Bianca Belair returns. However, we don't know if that's possible. So if I have to make a pick. It kind of makes me sick to say this, but like I sort of woman who's been attacking me day in and day out, Becky lynch actually has a chance to win this whole thing.

[A]

You'd have to say nice things, you.

[C]

Know, and happy birthday, Becky, by the way, even though she attacked me again and Don's brother yesterday, you guys are like, don, I had a great.

[B]

Right.

[C]

You had a great chat with your brother today.

[B]

Oh, you did?

[C]

I did. I did. I did. Like a. I did like a 25 minute segment today with your brother and, and Bubba Ray. It was a great time. We spoke about you. Bubba Rates or Bully Ray, depending what you want to call him. Spoke about you breaking your brother's, your brother's leg. We had a great, great chat. But either way, it's going to be awesome. Tomorrow countdown show starts at 12 noon. And then the rumble on ESPN Unlimited, 2 o'.

[B]

Clock. I love you like no other.

[A]

Perfect. Perfect. Get some rest.

[C]

I love you watching. I'll see you Monday.

[A]

All right, Peter Rosenberg, thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[C]

I don't want to know how the.

[A]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.