Hour 2: Giants QB & David Bowie

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Giants QB & David Bowie
Release Date: January 8, 2025

Hosts:

• Don La Greca – ESPN New York and New Jersey legend
• Alan Hahn – Long-time sportswriter and New York Knicks broadcaster
• Peter Rosenberg – Hip Hop veteran and WWE personality

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1. Vikings' Quarterback Conundrum

Timestamp: 01:14 – 05:08

The episode kicks off with a deep dive into the Minnesota Vikings' quarterback situation, heavily influenced by insights from Mel Kuiper Jr., renowned for his expertise on NFL drafts and prospects.

• Alan Hahn praises Kuiper's knowledge:

  "No one works harder than him when it comes to the draft and prospects and understanding the NFL." (01:06)

• Discussion Points:

  • J.J. McCarthy, a highly-touted rookie quarterback drafted by the Vikings, faces uncertainty after an injury sidelined him during the last season.
  • Sam Darnold, initially a backup, emerged as the starter and led the team to a playoff berth, sparking debates on whether the Vikings should retain him or revert to McCarthy.

• Peter Rosenberg weighs in:

  "You would make a strong argument he [McCarthy] would be the number one quarterback in this draft if Sam Darnold rolls through..." (02:27)

• Alan Hahn adds context on Darnold's playoff performance:

  "Sam Donald, your quarterback, then you could potentially look at trading JJ." (02:58)

2. Giants' Draft Strategy and Potential Trades

Timestamp: 05:03 – 19:46

The conversation shifts to the New York Giants contemplating whether to trade their draft pick for McCarthy, referencing Kuiper's analysis.

• Alan Hahn underscores the critical decision facing the Giants:

  "They have to figure out who's going to be their passer next year, and they've got to figure out a way to do it." (07:40)

• Peter Rosenberg questions the Giants' inclination to prioritize McCarthy:

  "Why didn't they take a chance on JJ McCarthy? Why didn't they take a chance on Penix?" (07:40)

• Caller Interaction:

  • Mike Reese from Foxborough discusses Giants' quarterback options and criticizes the idea of overreaching in draft picks:

    "I don't want to trade the future to get one of these quarterbacks." (22:04)
    "If they land in your lap, fine, draft them. But you draft Hunter, you sign James Winston and you sign T. Higgins." (22:04)

• Group Consensus:

  • The hosts express skepticism about the Giants making a trade solely based on Kuiper's recommendations, emphasizing the need for a balanced draft strategy that doesn't jeopardize future prospects.

3. Listener Calls and Opinions

Timestamp: 07:40 – 24:39

Listeners contribute their perspectives on the Giants' quarterback dilemma and broader team-building strategies.

• Justin from Brooklyn voices frustration over potential draft capital trades:

  "I will be very upset if we give up some draft capital to move." (19:30)

• William from Manhattan challenges the idea of prioritizing quarterbacks over other positions:

  "I have a question about the Giants and what they could do with their quarterback." (19:19)

• Key Takeaways:

  • The importance of drafting versatile players like Travis Hunter.
  • Concerns over consolidating too much focus on the quarterback position at the expense of building a well-rounded team.

4. David Bowie – A Musical Dispute

Timestamp: 27:04 – 33:25

Transitioning from football, the hosts engage in a spirited debate about David Bowie's legacy, highlighting differing perspectives on his musical impact.

• Don Legraec initiates the discussion by referring to Bowie's legendary status:

  "He's great. He's great." (27:04)

• Alan Hahn contends the terminology used to describe Bowie:

  "You're throwing that name around. We're throwing Legend around like it's candy." (27:40)

• Debate Highlights:

  • Alan defends Bowie’s legendary status, emphasizing his global recognition and prolific career.
  • Don expresses a more personal disconnect, questioning the casual use of "legend" when describing Bowie’s influence.

• Notable Exchanges:

  • Peter Rosenberg supports Alan’s stance:

    "He sold over 100 million copies of his records. ... the legendary status is confirmed." (31:18)

  • Alan Hahn challenges Don’s perception:

    "The word legend is... not in question." (29:47)

• Conclusion of Segment:

  • The hosts reach a mutual, albeit playful, understanding to continue respecting each other's viewpoints while acknowledging the subjective nature of musical tastes.

5. Closing Remarks and Promotions

Timestamp: 33:25 – 37:06

The episode wraps up with promotional segments and light-hearted banter among the hosts.

• Fan Engagement:

  • Don Legraec mentions David Bowie's birthday and teases future segments.

    "David Bowie's birthday today as well as Elvis. ... taking a segment off in the 6 o'clock hour." (26:18)

• Promotional Content:

  • Multiple promotions for FanDuel and Jack in the Box are interspersed throughout the episode, though these are minimal and primarily related to betting and food deals.

• Final Thoughts:

  • The hosts emphasize the value of listener participation and tease upcoming topics, maintaining an engaging and interactive atmosphere.

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Key Quotes:

• Alan Hahn on Mel Kuiper Jr.:

  "No one works harder than him when it comes to the draft and prospects and understanding the NFL." (01:06)

• Peter Rosenberg on McCarthy's Draft Position:

  "You could make a strong argument he would be the number one quarterback in this draft if Sam Darnold rolls through." (02:27)

• Mike Reese on Giants' Draft Strategy:

  "I don't want to trade the future to get one of these quarterbacks." (22:04)

• Don Legraec on David Bowie:

  "He's great. He's great." (27:04)
  "But he's a great guy." (24:20)

• Alan Hahn on Bowie's Legend Status:

  "He's not Elvis Presley. ... The word legend is not in question." (29:47)

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Insights & Conclusions:

• Giants' Quarterback Dilemma:
  The Giants face a pivotal decision between retaining Sam Darnold, who has shown promising playoff performance, or investing in the rookie J.J. McCarthy, whose future potential could significantly impact the team's direction. The hosts and callers highlight the risks and rewards associated with each choice, emphasizing the need for strategic planning without compromising future assets.

• Vikings' Flexibility:
  The Vikings' ability to adapt based on Darnold's performance underscores the dynamic nature of NFL team management. Success in the playoffs could solidify Darnold's position, while underperformance might necessitate a shift towards McCarthy.

• Balancing Team Building:
  The discussion around the Giants also reflects a broader theme in team-building: the importance of not overcommitting to a single position at the expense of overall team strength. Diversifying draft picks to build a well-rounded roster appears to be the consensus approach recommended by both hosts and listeners.

• Musical Legacy Subjectivity:
  The debate on David Bowie's legacy illustrates the subjective nature of cultural and musical appreciation. While some view Bowie as an unequivocal legend due to his massive commercial success and influence, others may feel a more nuanced or personal connection to his work, leading to varying interpretations of his impact.

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Transcript

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Legraec]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3.

[Don Legraec]

On 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. Hi. With Don Leggraeck and Peter Rosenberg, I'm Alan Hahn. This is 880 ESPN New York, 800-919-3776, of course, is the number. Be part of this conversation with us as we'll take you now into what I found to be a really interesting story today, fellas. And we got to set it up properly so we all can. We all acknowledge Mel Kuiper Jr. No one works harder than him when it comes to the draft and prospects and understanding the NFL. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll take it a step further. No one I've ever talked to about anything, knows more about that thing than he knows about this subject.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a good. That. That's a nice angle.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. I don't know if I've ever met anyone who knows as much about anything as he knows about football prospects. It's. It's like you're talking to a human encyclopedia. So continue.

[Don Legraec]

Yes. Okay. So with that in mind, I want to play you something from about a week ago, because we know the situation in Minnesota, right. He was drafted by the Vikings, and J.J. mcCarthy is a player that Kuiper has always liked. In the draft last year, he was again one of the top four quarterbacks that you could take in the draft. He is somebody that got injured. And the Vikings, as we know, the story goes, they had to make a replace. They had Sam Darnold as a backup. Sam Darnold became the starter, and the rest is history. He has led them to the playoffs and he has had a great season, a renaissance season for Sam Darnold. And Kuiper believes that, like, if they have some playoff success, they're going to have a tough decision to make going forward. Do you keep Darnold, or do you go with the original guy who was supposed to start this year, the rookie J.J. mcCarthy. Right. So if they end up trading McCarthy, here's what Kuiper said last week about where he would rank when it comes to this year's draft of quarterbacks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's hard to say because you're doing kind of revisionist history based on what you know and what you don't know. We got a little more answer that.

[Alan Hahn]

You could make the argument he would be ahead of Sanders and Ward.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You would could make a strong argument he would be the number one quarterback in this draft. If Sam Darnold rolls through then trading.

[Alan Hahn]

McCarthy as Adam Schefter suggested, like Shefte.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Said, that's certainly a possibility. How are you going to cut ties with Sam Darnold if he takes you deep into the playoffs and he's had this great year and he's only 27 years of age and McCarthy is an unknown. So I think in this draft McCarthy.

[Alan Hahn]

Will be a very hot property for.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Vikings if they choose to trade him, believe me, because there's four or five teams need quarterbacks in the top 10. Only two guys that could quarterback in Ward and Sanders. Hey, hey. McCarthy's going to bring an awful lot in the trade.

[Don Legraec]

Okay, so have that now in the back of your mind as now and on Sportsmanlike this, the morning show on the national network. Our good friend Chris Canty with that Evan Cohen as well Michelle Smallman. They had Mel on and asked the simple question about the Giants and whether or not they should consider trading their pick for McCarthy. Here's what he said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, from the Vikings. I'm letting this wall work out, play out because you got a 27 year old Sam Darnold look really good for O'Connell if he goes through the playoffs and play really well. Sam Donald, your quarterback, then you could potentially look at trading JJ.

[Don Legraec]

Would you trade now? I think it'd be a pick swap. So you're not just giving up your first round pick. You're probably going to get Minnesota's or something like that. But is that something Don Peter, that should be on the table for the Giants if it plays out this way? Is it worth it to you to get a guy that you could have gotten in last year's draft but passed on to get a quarterback of your future instead of this year's draft, which those two might be off the table? What he said, Shador Sanders and Cam Moore, they might not even be there. They might, they might not. What do you do in this draft and do you think that Mel Kuiper is onto something here?

[Alan Hahn]

Can we just let's start with this though. This is an important piece. That, that Sam, that deep run into the playoffs thing for Minnesota I think is important guys because I really do think that obviously Sam Darnold's last game was not great. It's just one game but it was kind of. Guys, it was kind of, kind of was a playoff game against Detroit in a lot of way to end the season. They both needed that game badly and he, and he obviously didn't show up. I don't want to say he saw ghosts, but it was certainly close. So it definitely requires, I think, to get serious about this. Minnesota has to do something and they have to believe that Sam is worth it in spite of how good a year he's had. I really do think that if he were to poop the bed in back to back games, I don't know where havoc having this conversation but if he does, they win a game or two and he looks that good. I, I don't think you can move away from a quarterback who does that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think so.

[Alan Hahn]

Right Don. He has to open the door to move in McCarthy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Unless there's an arrogance within that organization that they can fix anyone and rather than pay Sam Darnold that they can get similar quarterback play out of JJ if there's that kind of arrogance with their system, that would be the only reason to do it. It's like, listen, Darnold's doing this because of me and if I bring in JJ McCarthy, he'll do the exact same thing and I'll have him on a rookie contract and I have to pay.

[Alan Hahn]

We only lost one year on the rookie contract. We keep him on that, we let someone else pay Sam the money. That that's true, Don, that would be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think that's the only way that that happens. But, but, but tying it to the Giants. Peter, this makes like zero sense because last year they could have taken not not only could they have taken J.J. mcCarthy, they could have taken Michael Penix. They passed on both of them because they were fixated on trying to trade up with New England to get Drake May. My assumption is that Shane happened to love May or of the three quarterbacks, the only one obtainable was May because they weren't going to make a deal with Washington and Caleb Williams was out of the picture. Chicago was not trading the number one pick so Drake May was available. I'm assuming he loved May because if it was just about trying to get a quarterback, why didn't they take a chance on JJ McCarthy? Why didn't they take a chance on Pennix. My only thought was, is that they didn't like either of those two quarterbacks. That's why they didn't, they didn't draft them. So now all of a sudden you went from not liking him, he misses an entire year because of injury, and now you're going to trade draft capital to move up to get him. I can't imagine the Giants would be interested.

[Alan Hahn]

We know, we know who the Giants liked at quarterback, who they didn't get last year. It's Jaden Daniels. We heard him talk about it on Hard Knock.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But that wasn't going to happen because they weren't going to make a deal in the division.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly.

[Don Legraec]

They also liked May. They also like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they like May. But they probably. But I don't know that they like. Did they like May 2? Did they or was May the only one available that they happen to like? They weren't going to trade with Washington.

[Don Legraec]

Daniels and May were the two. Yeah, Daniels, from what I know, Daniels and May were the two guys they really focused on. They knew they weren't getting Caleb Williams, so they knew he was already going to be off the table. So those other two, was there a way to trade up? Was there something that you could do to make it happen? But there was also a lot of affinity between McCarthy and Dable. You know, but I, I, you know, people have told me that, that, you know, Dable just liked anybody not named Daniel Jones at this point. But it is interesting to just see, like, you know, what do you do, though? If McCarthy's available, he's a guy you could have had. Now you got neighbors and him. Is it something they would, they would want to consider doing? And is if you're a Giants fan, are you, are you even okay with that? 800-919-3776 Sorry, Donnie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would just say the only. Let's try to paint a scenario in which the Giants would be interested in trading JJ McCarthy. The only scenario I can think would be they liked J.J. mcCarthy. They would have drafted J.J. mcCarthy, but they were just too enamored with neighbors and they just had. They had to take neighbors. So maybe it just came down to best the most talented player on the board. They couldn't move away from neighbors and that's why they didn't. That's why they didn't take a quarterback. Now they would have obviously bypassed neighbors had May become available because they clearly like May a lot more than jj. But they still like jj. But just neighbors was too intoxicating. Now they have neighbors. Now JJ becomes even more attractive to him and they're willing to make the sacrifice that. That would be the only scenario I can think of. Because if they really liked him, then they would have drafted him.

[Don Legraec]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So now they have. So they have to. They have to really like him. But you understand what I'm saying is, is that if you want to be was right there. You could have taken him sixth overall. Now, nothing happened this year that would have changed your mind. He got hurt. He never seen him. He never completed a pass.

[Don Legraec]

But they like, they did love him in preseason. That's the thing, that they really did like him enough in preseason to say that he would have been the starter before he had gotten hurt. So let's get some calls on this because I love that. I Love the topic. 800 now. 1937-776-ES. Let's go up to Foxborough and talk with Mike. Mike, welcome to the show.

[Mike Reese]

Hey, Alan, Don, Peter, great to talk with you. I love this discussion, the quarterbacks, but actually I was just calling, taking a little break from my reporting here at ESPN on the Patriots. I just want to wish Alan good luck, man, in the new role. This is all close friends.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Mike Reese.

[Mike Reese]

That's it.

[Alan Hahn]

The great Mike Reese.

[Mike Reese]

Oh, my buddy Allen, you know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now look, now I have a bunch of questions, but the one that everybody wants to know, have you ever met Alan or do you just know him through radio and the fact that you were a guest.

[Alan Hahn]

Have you ever.

[Don Legraec]

Mike, tell him, Mike.

[Mike Reese]

All right, so you know that Alan is a great dad and his son's out playing hockey all the time. So he comes up this way, meet up at Patriot Place, you know, all the businesses out by the stadium there. So, you know, it's so funny because all the times, you know, Patriots, Jets, Patriots, Giants through the years, you know, coming on the show, I have a lot of friends out in New York and they said, oh, the guys were talking about you the other day and they called you Mike Rice. And I said, come on, Mike Rice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no, no. They didn't petered it.

[Mike Reese]

I said, not my buddy Alan. Couldn't have been now.

[Don Legraec]

Now are you.

[Alan Hahn]

You and your family are a hundred percent confident the way to pronounce your name is Rice.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No reason.

[Mike Reese]

It's like what the substitute teachers in school used to do when they would take attendance. It was always Rice. And I had to correct him.

[Alan Hahn]

It is Reese. Okay, it is Reese. I believe you now, Mike. I apologize.

[Don Legraec]

I believe you now. As if you didn't Believe me, when.

[Alan Hahn]

I corrected you, we did. And let's be honest, Don, we're going to break this down later, after Mike is off the phone. When we asked Allen if he really knew him, isn't it surprising, Don, that he didn't bring up these, like, hockey kid meetups at all?

[Don Legraec]

Well, you said, when was the last time you saw him? And I said to myself, I can't remember.

[Alan Hahn]

That was.

[Don Legraec]

That was pre Covid, when we were going up a lifetime. The Patriots were great. We had them on all the time on ESPN radio, so it was like it was so common to see. The guy's always working. By the way, I swear he lives in one of those, like, one of the. One of the hotels over there. I swear he does, because his background is always the. The stadium.

[Alan Hahn]

Mike, since we have you here, tell me, tell me. You always knew that the Belichick story would end at unc, didn't you?

[Mike Reese]

Oh, my goodness. That came out in a blue to me.

[Don Legraec]

But how about. But how about Tom Brady now running the Raiders? They just fired their coach, and now there's some rumblings that the Belichick thing might not. Might not end up in Chapel Hill. Is. Could you ever see a scenario like that where Tom Brady was the boss and Bill Belichick was the employee?

[Mike Reese]

I would never rule it out, guys. I do. I do think, from what I hear, Bill's pretty committed to what he's doing now. But I've always said, in my view, he's an NFL guy, you know, first and foremost. So if he ever had the opportunity to come back, I do think he would do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you surprised that no one was interested in having him coach?

[Mike Reese]

So I was. I was surprised last year, and I just assumed this year he had his people doing the background on, hey, if this job comes up, would I be the guy? And I'm just going to assume that he did that due diligence and realized the answer was no, and that's why he jumped at unc. I am surprised a little bit, guys, even knowing that when you hire Bill, a lot comes with that, right? You're giving up a lot of control. But to me, I still believe in him as a coach, and I believe if you hire him, you're getting. You're going to start to win pretty quickly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Legraec]

Your gut feeling about the next Patriots head coach. Who's it going to be?

[Mike Reese]

I feel pretty strongly about Mike Rabel and that it would have to be a sharp turn in the other direction for something to change.

[Don Legraec]

It's great stuff, Mike. You're the best. See, it got back to him. I told you guys.

[Mike Reese]

Back to people like Reese's Pieces.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'll call you from now on, my friend.

[Don Legraec]

Well, that's the second he does. Yeah. No, and Mike's one of the best that we have at espn covering teams, and he covers for a very long time. Thank you, Mike.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was nice of him to call. Straighten that.

[Don Legraec]

All you guys believe me now?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I told you, I. I don't really think you've hung with them. I. I think you like them, I think you respect them. I believe all that, but I don't think there's any kind of relationship there. No.

[Don Legraec]

Why does it matter to you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it doesn't.

[Don Legraec]

Is it enough a relationship that he would call in like that randomly?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah, there's enough of a relationship. But you've never broken Brad.

[Don Legraec]

On the call in line, no less.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, you know him the way I know Jordan.

[Don Legraec]

Well, you know who?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jordan Renan. He's a guest and I saw him once at an airport.

[Don Legraec]

Wow. Jordan Renan showed up to beach bashes, like in consecutive years. Just hang out. You never. You never saw him at the beach bash?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I did, but it wasn't like we didn't hang. I had a show to do.

[Don Legraec]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right, Peter, do we need to go out drinking with him after?

[Alan Hahn]

I know. I've hung with him though. For sure. You know, I've had my moments with the run on. Really? Oh, sure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number?

[Alan Hahn]

Not. Not outside of. No, it's either a Giants camp or at the beach path.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, okay.

[Alan Hahn]

We didn't like road trip to College park together.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right? It wasn't like. You're the cutest jailbird I ever did see.

[Alan Hahn]

No, we didn't go full jailbird. Jailhouse rocks. Not yet.

[Don Legraec]

Oh, not Yet. Oh, that means it's a possibility.

[Alan Hahn]

Life is long. I don't know. Who knows?

[Don Legraec]

At least he's thinking about it. Justin in Brooklyn, what's up? Justin, hey, can you hear me? Oh yeah, yeah, we got you.

[Mike Reese]

It's jerks.

[Alan Hahn]

And it's happened before, but I, I reset that email. Peter.

[Mike Reese]

My last name is Gibson, but I haven't. I have a question about the, the.

[Alan Hahn]

Giants and what they could do with their quarterback.

[Mike Reese]

Oh, if they go one, two, quarterback Shador.

[Alan Hahn]

Cam.

[Mike Reese]

Or Cam Shador and the Giants pick three. What about say you take Travis Hunter.

[Alan Hahn]

Kid from Colorado and then wait till.

[Mike Reese]

The second round and then draft one of those.

[Alan Hahn]

Like take a flyer on the Alabama.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Quarterback or the Ole Miss quarterback just.

[Don Legraec]

To kind of like mix it up.

[Mike Reese]

And maybe not reach for a quarterback so early.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen, a second round picks not nothing. So if you, if you like the quarterback, you just don't think that there's value in taking him in the first round, then. Yeah, but I don't take a flyer on a quarterback. I don't go, well, I need a quarterback. So we're going to take a chance. Maybe this kind of works out. Maybe we find the next Tom Brady. No, listen, they do their due diligence and if they like a quarterback in the second round that they think would be taking too high in the first round, then by all means do that. I think, I think that would give them two legitimate wide receivers and then maybe a project they can work on. But I can't get in the head of Dable and Shane to know if they like that quarterback. But if it's just, hey, it's a quarterback, let's just take a flyer. Not, not in the second round. Maybe in the sixth or seventh round I take a flyer on a quarterback, but second round pick is too important to just take a chance. If I like the quarterback, then by all means, but I'm not taking a flyer on a second round pick.

[Don Legraec]

No, you're not just taking someone just for the sake of taking them because those are too valuable of a picks. But they, they have to either love someone in the draft enough that they put the work in and they feel like this is somebody we can develop. But even then you still got to know who's going to be your quarterback for the short term, who's that going to be? Because you don't know, like whoever. Let's say you do a third round pick. Guy like Dak Prescott was a fourth round pick, wasn't he? And he still had Tony Romo like that like if you're going to get something like that, different story. But you can't go second round pick and then just say, you know, and if it doesn't work, then what? Well, that these guys can't afford another bad year. They can't afford another mistake. They've got a hit this year in April. They've got to hit a grand slam in April.

[Alan Hahn]

The, the, the idea of a quote flyer on a quarterback to some extent, sort of like when Washington went out and grabbed cousins in the fourth round or whatever it was after they got RG3.

[Don Legraec]

There you go.

[Alan Hahn]

You can do that when you already have a quarterback in place. But like they would. They have a situation right now, guys where they don't know who their starting quarterback would be next year. So they have to legitimately find someone before you throw something at the wall like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know what they I don't.

[Don Legraec]

Think they love Milroe enough to take them third. I don't think anybody loves Milroe enough.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To go third and they don't have enough talent where they can take a flyer on a second round pick. They need to take a good player in the second round to kind of build up this roster. So you know, listen, I understand the quarterback position is really important, but can we all be honest guys? They're not a quarterback away. This is not the jets where they felt they had a lot of talent. They just needed the right quarterback to win. They need a quarterback but they need a lot of other things before they can start really being a legit contender, especially in that division.

[Don Legraec]

Let's take William in Manhattan. Hey William.

[Mike Reese]

Hello guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's up? I'm a Giant fan here.

[Mike Reese]

Yeah, we've been, we've been trash for a long time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ever since that second Super Bowl.

[Mike Reese]

@ this point it doesn't even matter. We stuck another year. I will be very upset if we give up some draft capital to move.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Move up in the draft or for JJ just get the best available player if you can move back that first round pick so you can get some access and really try to rebuild this team because either way it's going to.

[Mike Reese]

Be a tough schedule next year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And from what I'm hearing it's the following draft class must be better. So what you guys think? Well, listen, no offense to you or Mel Kuiper or Alan Hahn or Peter Rosenberg or myself, I don't care what anybody thinks about those two quarterbacks. I care what Shane and Dable think. And if Shane, let's say, loves Sanders the way Ernie of course he loved Eli. Then you do whatever you can to get him. But I don't know how they feel about him. So I don't know. Because right now it doesn't matter what we think. It matters what they think. And Ernie, of course he loved Eli, fell in love with him, and he did everything he could to get him. And that's what you should do if you're a general manager. So if Shane sees one of those two quarterbacks and says, I gotta have them, then you trade up. But if you're not sure, or just for the sake of taking a quarterback, or we gotta take a quarterback, but the fan base want. No, that's not a reason enough to do that. How do you feel about those guys? And then you go out and you do it. The same thing with May last year. I don't know if New England was ever going to trade him. But if they felt strongly about May, then maybe you give till it hurts to get them. But if, if you stop and say no, that's too much. Well, then I guess you're not completely in love with them and then you back off.

[Don Legraec]

I don't know. But if you're John Mara, like, you also have to keep an eye on this, Joe. Shane did say all the right things, like, I'm not going to try to hit home runs just to save my job. He said, I would never do that. Where you do risky moves stuff. Gettleman did, like he. He said, I would never do that. So he's not going to try to make the big splash just so he can get an extension on his contract and save his job. That's something that he has vowed. We have to watch it, of course, but that's what he said. But still, they have to figure out who's going to be their passer next year, and they've got to figure out a way to do it. And I'm with you. If you love the guy enough, you do whatever it takes to get him. Now what if. Is there any scenario, guys, where the Browns don't take a quarterback? Is there any scenario where they're like, you know what this is? Travis Hunter's a better play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're going to take him only if maybe they just don't like either one. Or is there some sort of a message that, that Dion would send to Cleveland a la Archie Manning and say, don't draft my son. He's not going to play there. I don't know.

[Don Legraec]

Interesting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I. What am I. What am I waiting on, Watson? I mean, I Know they invested a lot of money in him, but I think that ship sailed. I mean, if I don't know how they feel about either of these two quarterbacks, but I would think they'd be interested in one of them.

[Don Legraec]

See what Ted in the truck thinks. What's up, Ted?

[Mike Reese]

Hey, guys. Congratulations on the new spot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Alan Hahn]

Thanks, man.

[Mike Reese]

You know, listen, I could fix the Giants for at least a year overnight, okay? All they need to do is draft Hunter. I don't want to trade the future to. To get one of these quarterbacks. Okay, If. If they land in your lap, fine, draft them. But you draft Hunter, you sign James Winston and you sign T. Higgins. And then there's your offense. You're telling me that Jameis Winston isn't going to put up numbers and points. I get it. He's a disaster waiting to happen. But he's got a lot of talent.

[Don Legraec]

This is able to.

[Mike Reese]

If he's as good with quarterbacks as he says he is. But maybe he can get the best out of Jaden.

[Don Legraec]

Oh, boy. Listen, he would lose his mind coaching him. Ted will absolutely explode.

[Alan Hahn]

Ted, you gotta. Ted, in the words of my friend Stephen A. Smith, you gotta put down the weed, man. Really do. Listen, got to.

[Mike Reese]

Don't want to overreach for a quarterback. We need our six, our important.

[Don Legraec]

So like that's fair, but famous for.

[Mike Reese]

A season and see what you can get out of them. I'm with it. And you know, like you can even do that. Trade back in the first round, get a another first rounder for next year and then you have ammunition to trade up to get Arch. You know, I don't want to reach and destroy our future. You know, as I go to all the games. I'm a huge Giant fan. I have season tickets. I don't want to be bad for 10 years because we traded away the future. You know, Jameis Winston would make us exciting, at least.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here in town. His last year in Tampa, he threw for over 5,000 yards, but he hasn't done anything since. What is he, 33 years old now?

[Don Legraec]

30 interceptions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's not the quarterbacks, guys.

[Don Legraec]

Yeah, that's the thing. Like the problem there is. You know what? Jameis Winston is a guy you love to watch. As long as he's not on your team. That's what he is. He's a fun quarterback. As long as it's not your team's.

[Alan Hahn]

Jersey, it's 100% true. I hate that. It's so true.

[Don Legraec]

But he's a great guy.

[Alan Hahn]

But if you're going to give that.

[Don Legraec]

Whole deliver me from these turnovers.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. No. And by the way, I go back and forth. Don and I have talked about this. I go back and forth between finding him entertaining and just annoying. Like, just trying too hard to be entertaining but like, performative. It's very performative. But like, you know, listen, if you're going to throw out a wacky idea about go get another receiver and just bring in a quarterback. Give me a Justin Fields conversation. Give me a conversation that's a better one with someone who has a ceiling that we don't know yet. We all know what the Jameis Winston ceiling is.

[Don Legraec]

Yeah, we kind of seen it. Yeah, we certainly have. All right. We know what time of the show it is. And that, of course, is time for enn. Coming up at first, Peter's got more for us.

[Alan Hahn]

That's right, football fans, buckle up because for the first time ever, we've got five straight days of playoff football in college and the pros. And fanduel is celebrating with the great playoff. That's a no sweat same game parlay every day for all five days with a no sweat sgp. So you can combine your bets from the same game for a chance at an even bigger payout and if it doesn't hit, you get the bonus bets back. So not only do we get to watch five straight days of playoff football, but that's also five chances to win big. Just visit FanDuel.com Peter to be part of this epic run. That's FanDuel.com Peter all right, it's a great playoff payoff. And it's only on FanDuel, America's number one sportsbook. All you got to be is 21 and over physically present in New York. Opt in required minimum 3 leg parlay required refund issues now withdrawable bonus pets that expire seven days after receipt. Max refund five bucks unless otherwise specified restrictions apply. See terms@sportsbook fandom.com for the gambling problem. Call 877-8-Open Y or text open wide 467-369 thanks for listening to the Don.

[Don Legraec]

Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Legraec]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. David Bowie's birthday today as well as Elvis. Apparently I'm by myself just taking over the show.

[Alan Hahn]

That's troubling.

[Don Legraec]

Welcome everybody. Han Solo here with you. 880 ESPN. Don and Peter decided to take a segment off. I might take one off in the 6 o'clock hour. Anyway, so that is all good. 800 now. 193776, of course, is the number. Oh, yeah, I got in trouble making a little David Bowie comment this morning.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Don Legraec]

Apparently, like, you know, God, if you. If you disagree on a music take. You don't know anything about music, apparently.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, express the take again.

[Alan Hahn]

Say what you said. Why don't you just say.

[Don Legraec]

I just. I said it when we came. Came out of break. It's unfortunate you guys just weren't available for that. I simply said on David Bowie's birthday that. Because it said legendary musician, and I just said legend. He's great. He's great.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. By the way, you're cleaning it up.

[Don Legraec]

We're throwing that name around. We're throwing Legend around like it's candy.

[Alan Hahn]

You got it? You gotta stop. Like, this is, to me personally, I can only speak for me, but I think Don and I are in complete lockstep. I love you. When you say legend is a loose use of the term for David Bowie, as the kids say these days. You sound like a complete and total casual. And then you followed up the casual Don. This was even the worst part, when he goes his best is under pressure. The pressure, yeah.

[Don Legraec]

Nah, that's like, good stuff. That's like China Girl. Like, what do you like? You're naming his biggest changes.

[Alan Hahn]

You're naming all the pop stuff. You're not. You're not talking life on Mars at all.

[Don Legraec]

You're only talking. It's All Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Come on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Rebel, Rebel.

[Don Legraec]

Rebel.

[Alan Hahn]

Rebel's fantastic.

[Don Legraec]

That's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The whole. The whole Siggy Stardust stuff is amazing.

[Don Legraec]

Is it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it is.

[Alan Hahn]

He's not all right.

[Don Legraec]

One thing that I have made clear to you guys, that music does, right? It affects me. I've told you this. I get emotional, right? If a song hits me, it hits me and it hits me forever. I think the only song that ever really hit me, aside from, of course, the Little Drummer Boy duet that he did with Bing Crosby, which was amazing. It's. It's basically is Under Pressure. That's the one that got me.

[Alan Hahn]

It's good. But that's. That's. That's. I mean, that's. Respectfully. That's where I was for a long time in my life until he passed away, honestly. And then I, like, really started digging in. And that's. Respectfully, that's casual talk like that.

[Don Legraec]

Okay?

[Alan Hahn]

But if you go in further, he's just. Not only is he musically brilliant and so prolific, but in I didn't say.

[Don Legraec]

He wasn't brilliant, the guy. I'm just saying that it doesn't affect me.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, you know what? I'm pushing back on you too, Alan. You don't like let's Dance?

[Don Legraec]

Not really, but.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But now we're getting the preference everybody's going to look at.

[Don Legraec]

This is. That's it. This, to me, is taste. That's why when you came at me the way you came at me so aggressively this morning, I thought, Wait a second. Like, you might say that this seafood dish is amazing. And I might tell you I don't like eating fish.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but Dom, real quick. Sorry, I'll let you get. I'm sorry, Don. The one thing is, though, the word legend is. While I suppose it is subjective, you. It's also not like, you may say, he's not my cup of tea. But, but, but, but him being a legend is not in question. Like David Bowie. You can see a picture of David Bowie on a billboard. It could be a silhouette of him and you go, that's David Bowie. Like, the man is a legend.

[Don Legraec]

If I retreat on that one and I admit that that was a bad take. Yeah. Would you admit that it was wrong for you to jump all over me as if, like, I had something wrong with my ears and I clearly can't hear music?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, hold on.

[Don Legraec]

Because you know I can.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you love music. All right, listen, you are, you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're.

[Alan Hahn]

You're a man who clearly enjoys and cares for and gets emotional about music. If you will rescind that take. I will. I don't know if I'll rescind anything I say, but I will apologize. But you. You also made a mistake. You ended up sort of in bed with John Winthrop. You guys were both making bad music arguments together.

[Don Legraec]

Yeah, apparently.

[Alan Hahn]

And so once. So the direct comment that I made, if the audience really wants to know, is I said, maybe today on the show, Alan and John can exchange music thoughts and Don and I can look at. Can look on in terror, was what I said.

[Don Legraec]

That's right. That's the one that really pissed me off.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that got you that one.

[Don Legraec]

That one sent me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's always going to be subjective, right? I mean, listen, I like David Bowie, my wife loves David Bowie. So it's always going to be different levels depending on how much you enjoy the music. But I don't know, is there any generation that's. That never heard of David Bowie? I mean, so that's what makes him legendary. And he's. He sold over 100 million copies of his records. He was around from, you know, the mid-60s and basically making records until he died in 2016. I mean, the catalog is immense. Now, it might not be your cup of tea, I get that. But, you know, the legendary status is confirmed.

[Don Legraec]

Like I said, redaction. It redacted because that wasn't the right. That wasn't the right thing to say. It did spark a conversation, which is generally my job, but I like to do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It wasn't even close to the most moronic thing said on the thread today.

[Don Legraec]

Fair. Because you want to reveal that one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gotta reveal this one. So I. I had said, because you were talking about, well, he's not Elvis Presley. You know, okay, I. I get that he's not Elvis Presley, but I said, at least he. He wrote his own music. And Winthrop's like, comparing it to a director not having written the movie. Like, what?

[Alan Hahn]

That's two different.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Completely. Skill set, different skill sets.

[Alan Hahn]

Winthrop said, oh, I've never understood why people focus so much on writing the music. You know, I don't knock Francis Ford Coppola that he didn't write the Godfather. And Don and I, without even talking, we looked through the ether. We looked through space and time. And I looked him in the eye in New Jersey while sitting in Manhattan, and I said, what in God's name is this man talking about? It makes no sense as an argument.

[Don Legraec]

Yeah, it was a. Definitely. It was a take. And that's when I knew it was time for me to. To do the Homer Simpson into the hedges.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Don Legraec]

I realized that I had the wrong guy on my side.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I'm sorry. I did not mean to talk down to you musically. That was. That was rude. I was rude.

[Don Legraec]

Well, I apologize for. For that, of what I said about.

[Alan Hahn]

David Bowie, but I can't tell you.

[Don Legraec]

How I felt about his music. But it did spark a conversation, which, like I said, I am enjoying the interaction on this chat.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, the thing I was gonna say, I was gonna say, I. I can't guarantee it's not gonna happen again because with the amount of talk that has entered the chat in the Allen Hahn era, there's gonna be enough takes per day that if it's jarring, it's jarring and in the wrong.

[Don Legraec]

Now you guys know where I got it from.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, cuz, you know what? And Anthony so happy.

[Don Legraec]

I raised Anthony.

[Alan Hahn]

And Anthony now has someone who always responds to him, which is like a dream come true, because the poor guy was dealing with 33 consecutive unresponded to Texts to Michael K. So now he's excited. They're going back and forth.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Legraec]

You know, remember where I started, guys? I raised him. I raised him. This is what we were about. We had. What do we have? It was five different producers, right? Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

And frying.

[Don Legraec]

Yep. Joel. And it was all them and. And Brittany. And it was a phenomenal group chat. And the best thing. I mean, we weren't. What were we on, like, twice a week, sometimes during the winter because of the rain.

[Alan Hahn]

So it was mostly a group chat. More than a radio show. It was a group.

[Don Legraec]

Yes, it was. We actually had more activity on the group chat than we did on the show. But it was such a. It was a. It was such a fun conversation that would lead to things that you would realize, oh, this will be fun to talk about on the air. It's all about creative. It's all about the creative process.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God. I don't mean to lie.

[Don Legraec]

That's what we're trying to do.

[Alan Hahn]

What happened?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I. I got a DPA trot, and I. And I. I. I can't. I can't read it.

[Don Legraec]

So he texted you. So the first text went to you. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I can't. I can't say it, though. But it's about the building of the.

[Alan Hahn]

Crib, so let's act at.

[Don Legraec]

The first text went to you.

[Alan Hahn]

So let's just be clear.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Established that already.

[Alan Hahn]

So really quickly, in terms of if there'd ever be anything sacred that Rick would not talk about, that's clearly out the window. I mean, there's a chance he will make an inappropriate joke on the day of the birth of the child that's on the table now. Right. Like, is it. Is there a chance that Rick and I. I'd say there's two options between me and Rick. Option one, it will always be fine, and I'll always chuckle. Option two, you guys get to work. One day, the New York Post is sitting there, and it says, former Islanders goalie dead. And that's it. Wow. That's it. I mean, there's only two because you never. He's a habitual line stepper.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, I just sent it to you guys.

[Don Legraec]

You can read it on your own. We have a list to get to. We have the jets head coach search to get to. We have a lot more conversation to get to.800 now by 93776. Does Peter have FanDuel to get to?

[Alan Hahn]

I do. I have something to get to right now. I'm glad you brought that up. All right, guys, football fans buckle up because for the first time ever, we've got five straight. By the way, the text wasn't that bad. I'm not that offended. We've got five straight days of playoff football in college and the pros and fanduel is celebrating with the great Playoff payoff. That's a no sweat same game parlay every day for all five days with a no sweat sgp. You can combine your bets from the same game for a chance and even bigger winnings. And if it doesn't hit, you'll get bonus bets back. So not only do we get to watch five straight days of playoff football, but you also get five chances to win big. Just visit vanduul.com Peter to be part of this epic run. That's FanDuel.com Peter it's the great playoff payoff. And it's only on FanDuel, America's number one sports book 21 and over in fizzly present New York. Opt in required minimum three leg parlay required refund issued as non withdrawable bonus bets that expire seven days after receipt. Max refund five bucks unless otherwise specified restrictions apply. See [e-mail] for up with the gambling problem. Call 8778-Open Wire Text Open Y467369 thanks.

[Don Legraec]

For listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Here, more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.