Hour 2: Giants & Talk About It

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast

ESPN New York – November 18, 2025

Episode: Hour 2: Giants & Talk About It
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Theme: New York Sports Culture, Media Details, and Organizational Management (with lots of humor and listener banter)

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into dynamics around the New York Giants, NFL media presentation, and a controversial moment involving a rookie’s TV appearance and team management. The trio also explores topics such as team injury management, nuances of television sports scheduling, and finishes with their "Talk About It Tuesday" segment covering everything from NFL stadium grass to heated UNO rules debates. Expect a colorful, boisterous glimpse into New York sports—and sports culture at large.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The TV 'Fonting' Controversy: Giants Rookies and Media Exposure

• Background: Cam Scatterboo (Giants rookie), Abdul Carter (third overall pick), and Jackson Dart are the focus of a TV segment that didn’t highlight Carter, despite his draft prestige. This prompts talk about internal team dynamics and media mishaps.
• Key Issues:
  • Media ‘fonting’ (graphic on TV) listed Carter as “and others,” sidelining his prominence while shining the spotlight on Scatterboo and Dart.
  • Potential for internal team resentment and morale problems arising from these media choices.
• Quotes & Banter:
  • "[Abdul Carter] is right now the third most popular rookie on the team and by a wide margin, third, like far in third place." – Peter Rosenberg (02:33)
  • "You know what Abdul ended up last night? He was what me and Don would have been if, God forbid, one of our flights to the Super Bowl had gone down...Michael K. And others." – Michael Kay (03:44)
  • "How is this going to be fonted? ... Avoid those situations and say, can you please identify our opponent players or don’t identify them at all." – Don Hahn (04:19)
• Insight: The players (and their agents) notice every detail, and when the team's big rookie gets reduced to 'others,' it can breed tension both in the locker room and with fans.

Timestamps:

• TV fonting debate: 02:19–06:47
• Organizational image concerns: 05:10–06:46

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2. Giants’ Player Management & Public Narrative

• Focuses on Abdul Carter missing practice (was refuted as an honest mistake, not laziness); yet, media and fan narratives escalate.
• Importance of clarity and communication from coaches; how lingering stories can harm reputations.
• Quotes:
  • "He reached out to Adam Schefter, strongly refuted that...it was a mistake, but it was an honest mistake." – Michael Kay (01:34)
  • "Let this story go away. Don’t let this keep going on...now we’re talking about he's been sleeping in meetings and all of this stuff." – James (Caller, 17:57)
  • "If they don’t address it, then what they’re saying is Carter’s lying." – Don Hahn (20:52)
• Insight: Former players and fans are quick to pass judgment, but teams must control the message; silence or vague discipline opens the door to rumor and damage.

Timestamps:

• Missed practice story: 01:34–04:47, 17:57–21:18

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3. Fan & Caller Reactions: The Balance Between Criticism and Empathy

• Listeners weigh in on whether public/media outrage is fair when young players are involved in extracurriculars or minor missteps.
• Relationship between athletes’ off-field activities and fan expectations (should a hurt or struggling player be “miserable”?).
• Humor and realness from callers on the culture of sports talk and the podcast’s dynamic.
• Quotes:
  • "People just want to be miserable. People just want to be upset..." – Kadeem (Caller, 12:17)
  • "You want him to just watch film for 18 hours a day?" – Kadeem (12:58)
  • "You want your players to be like Rocky in Rocky 1—live in squalor, wake up, have raw eggs, and do sit ups." – Peter Rosenberg (13:26)
• Insight: Sports media thrives on outrage, but fans may hold unrealistic standards for players’ devotion or suffering.

Timestamps:

• Callers debate on player expectations: 12:17–14:09, 15:21–17:37

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4. Comparing Organizational Styles: Giants vs. Yankees/Knicks/Rangers

• Discussion about how different New York teams safeguard their image and players in media.
• Yankees: Highly controlling, always aware of appearances ("somebody from Yankee security would have been in the scrum" – Don Hahn, 10:32).
• Knicks/Rangers: Similarly hands-on.
• Giants: Seemingly looser now—possibly organizational distraction or a shift in philosophy.
• Insight: The best organizations micromanage perception, but trends might be shifting towards letting players handle more themselves.

Timestamps:

• Media control comparisons: 09:17–12:10

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5. NFL Stadium Turf & Player Health

• Impassioned calls for MetLife Stadium (Giants/Jets) to install grass, given frequent injuries—especially after comparing with European (Real Madrid) stadium tech and prep for the World Cup.
• Dynamic of shared stadium responsibility—neither Giants nor Jets want to foot the entire bill.
• Quotes:
  • "These two football teams that use this stadium can’t come together and spend the money to take care of their players." – Michael Kay (33:03)
  • "At some point, they’re going to lose a lot of face off in free agency. Why would I want to play there and have my career cut short?" – Don Hahn (37:16)
• Insight: Injury reputation threatens free agency and long-term franchise health, but cost and bureaucracy stall solutions; NFLPA seen as toothless ("so weak" – Don Hahn, 36:29).

Timestamps:

• Stadium surface critique: 32:08–38:40

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6. Talk About It Tuesday – Riffs on Game Scheduling, UNO Rules, & More

• How late TV doubleheaders (due to national schedules) hurt local fan experience—e.g., Knicks/Mavs game set to start at 9:30pm+.
• Quotes:
  • "Is it fair to have fans sit there and then watch a game that starts at 8:52 local time on a Saturday?" – Don Hahn (26:48)
  • "All they care about is the networks…I get that." – Don Hahn (28:13)
• Massive tangent on time zones, daylight savings, and fantasy “one-time-zone” America (Don’s doomed campaign idea).
• UNO rules controversy: UNO’s official social media says you can’t stack draw twos; hosts universally reject and say “house rules apply.”
• Quotes:
  • "UNO has decided to really ruin the game by going on social media and telling you all the things that you thought were in the rules…saying, no, you can’t do that." – Peter Rosenberg (38:42)
  • "It’s your UNO." – Michael Kay (40:16)
• Insight: New York sports problems are often structural and institutional—but the things fans and friends shout about can be as trivial as UNO house rules.

Timestamps:

• TV scheduling and time zones: 25:13–31:12
• UNO rules: 38:42–41:11

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "You were treated like Matt Damon on Jimmy Kimmel. I was treated like Abdul Carter. It was Alan, Peter and others." – Don Hahn [31:56]
• "Cam’s crazy." – Andrew Thomas on Cam Scatterboo’s WWE debut [20:09]
• "You brought a great atmosphere from hip hop to sports…The best trio in sports talk, man. The best. Nobody, hands down. You guys have it." – Trucker Gill, Brooklyn caller appreciation [16:40–17:29]
• "I believe if I became president, I’m doing away with time zones in the United States…" – Don Hahn (30:15)
• "UNO is really no longer as fun as I thought it was. Does anybody agree with me?" – Peter Rosenberg (40:01)

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Episode Timeline (Timestamps)

00:13 – Michael Kay joins, details about NXT wrestling assignment
01:34 – Abdul Carter's missed practice and the narrative
02:19–06:47 – Giants TV fonting/rookie hierarchy debate
09:17–12:10 – Organization control: Yankees, Knicks, Giants, etc.
12:17–14:09 – Callers: Fan outrage vs. player empathy
17:57–21:18 – Carter discipline story and advice
25:13–31:12 – National TV sports schedules, time zones, and ratings
32:08–38:40 – Stadium turf debate: Giants, Jets, grass vs. injuries, NFLPA
38:42–41:11 – UNO rules and why the “official” game is wrong
43:12–50:54 – Music nostalgia, time zones, presidential aging tangents
51:05–End – Closing with humor, personal asides, vision for show dynamic

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Tone & Style

The episode combines classic New York sports talk radio energy—lively, irreverent, and cutting—with a layer of inside-baseball media analysis and genuine concern for organizational details. No one’s afraid to tease, commiserate, or debate both trivial and serious issues; listener calls are woven in seamlessly, amplifying the “talk amongst friends” energy. Show is peppered with quick-witted jabs, self-deprecation, and on-the-fly catchphrases.

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For New/comeback Listeners

• Expect: Deep insights into New York sports organizations, sharp-witted banter, and periodic detours into playful debates over pop culture and family game night rules.
• Don’t expect: Bland, straight-laced analysis or rigid segments. The joy is in the chemistry and the ability to go from serious NFL injury policy to “is UNO ruined forever?” in a heartbeat.

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Recommended Segments:

• Giants media mishap and team-building insight (02:19–06:47)
• Stadium grass debate & fan call-ins (32:08–38:40)
• “Talk About It Tuesday”—the NBA/TV schedule/time zones and UNO rant (25:13–31:12, 38:42–41:11)

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This summary captures the core energy, structure, and highlights of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg’s “Giants & Talk About It” episode for both avid fans and new sports listeners alike!

Transcript

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Don Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, yeah, baby. Don Han and Rosenberg on ESPN New York. I went and saw. So I'm joining the NXT booth tonight to call these Evolve matches. So NXT is the show above Evolve, and they, they're putting on this NXT special. They're taking the biggest stars that we have on our little show and they're giving them matches on the big show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nice.

[Michael Kay]

So I reached out and said, hey, it's going to be in New York. I'd love to be involved. They said, you want to be in the booth? And I went, that would be awesome. So I'm in the booth with my guys, Vic, Joseph.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So where's the.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, where is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Are you. Are you ringside?

[Michael Kay]

Ringside, Ringside.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's got to be amazing.

[Michael Kay]

It's gonna be fun.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

You're in the theater. Not Big Garden theater, but tonight's theater still, though. Oh, no. It's gonna be amazing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's great.

[Michael Kay]

So I'm sitting with Booker and Vicky. Vic is the play by Play guy. And I see Vic yesterday and I go, hey, what's the plan for tomorrow? And Vic is one of the biggest rivers in the business. Everything he says is a lie, Everything is a joke, everything is sarcasm. So he's like, he right away goes, we're going to. You're going to call play by play. And I went, no, I'm not. And he went, yeah, it's your matches. You can do play. And I'm like, I know he's lying. He's the lead play by play of the show. He's not actually going to have me call play by Play, but he let me play this game with him for a good seven minutes before he was like, I'm messing with you. I'll ask you questions. Don't worry. I got to play by play. You just fill in the spot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, listen, man, I'm running you over now.

[Michael Kay]

Well, listen, I said, I said, I said, listen, I just know you're bluffing. I said, if you drop dead, I will be able to do it, no problem. But I just know we're not going to do that, so stop playing this game. And he said, I hope we do an in memoriam. And I said, I think so, but then we'd have to take a break and finish the show. All right, let's. Let's talk to the people. 1-800-9193, 7, 7, 6. Yeah, we're talking about the cam scatterbo at WWE of It All. And we're talking about Abdul Carter missing practice, which it was originally being reported he slept through practice. He reached out to Adam Schefter strongly refuted that, saying that practice schedule time changed and he ended up in treatment at the time that had become the new practice time. He was unaware of it. It was a mistake, but it was an honest mistake.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, now, also, though, it is an amazing observation to make though, because you said it. It was fonted Cam Scatterboo and the New York Giants. This is the number two pick in the draft.

[Don Hahn]

Three. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Number three pick in the draft. He is like when usually a franchise, especially in New York drafts, that high player is like a really important player. He's part of your future. Everybody's excited about him. And he's right now third most popular rookie on the team and by a wide margin, third, like far in third place. And when do you ever see that? And I wonder how much of that is in the back of his mind because he hasn't been able to do much. Now he does have two guys, one really good vet, one star vet and another young vet, but still good player. So he's rotating minutes with these guys. He probably doesn't have nearly the amount of impact or ability to do things that he wants to do. They use him as a spy a lot, which is probably why he doesn't have a lot of sacks. He's kind of spying some of the running game a lot. And I wonder how frustrated he is about it, you know, like how he's seeing. Well, yeah, they love this guy, Cam. They love Jackson Dart. I'm nothing.

[Michael Kay]

You know? You know. You know, his friends definitely saw that on TV last night and were like, yeah, whoa. They're showing the fourth round fullback.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

And not Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You remember when Gilligan's island didn't say the professor and Marianne? Right. It was the rest. And the rest. You're the rest.

[Michael Kay]

I know. That would be that. You know what?

[Don Hahn]

That. You know what?

[Michael Kay]

You know what Abdul ended up last night. He was what me and Don would have been if, God forbid, one of our flights to the super bowl had gone down.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Michael Kay]

Michael K. And others. Parents. We would have just been others. That's Abdul Carter got othered last night. Michael.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Michael K. And others from his show.

[Michael Kay]

No, no, just. We're just in with everyone else from his show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Other from his show.

[Michael Kay]

The whole plane. Lauren with the other 274. Not even mentioning no Michael K and.

[Don Hahn]

Others Parry and another thing that the Giants could have controlled.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

If the Giants are involved in this.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, this is a good point.

[Don Hahn]

Are they saying, okay, how is this going to be fonted? Because we've got other stars on the team. It's all can't be about Cam Abdul. Carter is going to be there. He's the third overall pick in the draft. And whoever else is going to be there. Avoid those situations and say, can you please identify our opponent players or don't identify them at all. That could get worked out, too. Robert. These are little things that can cause problems. Why are you getting all the love? I'm a better player than you. These are the things that cause tension. That all could be just easily fixed. I'm sure the Giants were involved in this in some way. Would that be wrong for them to ask, all right, how is this going to be fonted? How is this going to be presented?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Attention to detail?

[Don Hahn]

Is all the attention going to be on camera? Are there going to be players that are going to be miffed because they weren't identified, that they were just grouped together? You got to think about stuff like that.

[Michael Kay]

By the way, you're exactly right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a really good point.

[Michael Kay]

If you're paying attention to that, you would say, we want to make sure this is how we do it. You know what I mean? Like, that's right. We want to handle it correctly.

[Don Hahn]

How are we going to be perceived as an organization? We're the New York Giants. Okay. Things aren't going very well for us right now, but we want to make sure that the end of the day, that our players and our organization come out looking well. Otherwise, we're not gonna let you do this.

[Michael Kay]

And it's. It's a. It's actually, when you think about it, a bigger deal than you think. Because realistically, guys, if things go somewhat to plan, because I hope nobody's ready to bail on Abdul Carter yet, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Michael Kay]

Assuming things go to plan, even if Cam Scatterboo has a great career, when the flashy moments and the friendship with Jackson Dart and the grills and everything else and the banging his head against the wall isn't sexy anymore, Abdul Carter is much more important to this franchise. Like, he, in theory, could be a piece that you're building around. Even your best dreamy fullback is not what you're building around. So it is a small thing, Don. That's kind of a big thing. You kind of played the guy, and I get it. He's had a Rough week. But then he. Then he shows up on TV and is a no name.

[Don Hahn]

It would. Because these things all can age differently, right? And the one thing we found out that these things live forever. So how would it look if Abdul Carter becomes the next Lawrence Taylor and Cam Scatterboo becomes just a footnote? And looking back that, that the next great Giant was fonted as. And others be like, really? You know, but it's.

[Michael Kay]

It's all.

[Don Hahn]

I know we think it's kind of petty, but it's kind of what organizations do, right? They think about stuff like that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Attention to detail.

[Michael Kay]

Let's go to Frank in Central Jersey. What's up, Frank?

[Caller]

Hey, Peter. Don Allen. How y' all doing today? To Don's point, you know, the Giants had a reputation and that was almost like a dog and pony show moment. John Mallor must have threw up in his oatmeal this morning. But how did the Giants allow him, allow him to get put into that situation? No big deal that he was at the match. That's fine. He's allowed to do that. But how do they allow him to get orchestrated into that skit? Don't understand it. Bad move. I'm sure the Giant statement's going to be from Kafka that it was handled internally, but I would like to get your take on it. And also, Peter, how about Maxine Dupree, huh? She has really turned into some dynamite wrestler, don't you think?

[Michael Kay]

Oh, yeah, no, it's been a great moment for Maxine. She won the Intercontinental Championship last night. It's been really fun to watch her come along. She's fantastic. I don't. This is an interesting piece to this whole thing is where did the buck stop here? And we have to also be kind of fair and I think empathetic to the Giants at the moment. There's a lot going on with them. Right. Like from a leadership situation on down, you have to imagine, Don, that at the very top of the franchise there are a lot of people distracted, of course, with what's going on with John Mara and understandably so. Right. Like there is a more important thing going on with this team than football. And then what people are doing, especially guys who aren't playing and what they're doing with their spare time. So I do understand it. But the fact of the matter is you have a gigantic, well paid staff whose job while John Mara is ill is to make sure everything's happening whether he's well or not doing as well. So the fact of the matter is, while I Understand there's bigger things they're dealing with, Don. They do have to have an eye on this. People are paid to do this stuff.

[Don Hahn]

They do. Unless it's just to the point now that it's, hey, whatever the players want, players want to do it, let them do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, God, no.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, you hate to think that because. Because I was. I was just thinking. I was thinking about the Hess toy truck and it's better than ever. Two racers, one amazing holiday gift. The 2025 Stock Car Racers are loaded with action packed features, including 67 animated lights, five realistic sounds, and a pullback motor. Available exclusively at hestoytruck.com 49.99 standard shipping and batteries included.

[Michael Kay]

Looking for the drop.

[Don Hahn]

Do you think that back in the day the Giants had to approve the Eli Manning script on Saturday Night Live?

[Michael Kay]

Probably. I would think they'd want to see it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I don't think that would have. Listen, there were some risque moments there, but I'm sure they're like, and it's Eli and he can handle it. And Eli was a big star at the time, but I'm sure Pat Hanlon and the Giants at the time were getting involved in making sure that Eli and the Giants organization was not painted in a poor light. All right, that's the stuff you got to think of from last night. Is anybody watching over what the heck is going on here? It ends up being kind of important. But maybe Alan, you know better than anybody that organizations are trending away from making the players partners and letting the players do what they want to do. Spread their wings. Is it a case of, hey, we've got. We can't be that heavy handed anymore. Well, kid wants to do it, let them do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How would the Yankees handle it if that were Anthony Volpe? Would the Yankees have no clue that Anthony Volpe was there?

[Don Hahn]

Okay, I would. The reputation of the Yankees is that they knew everything that was going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They would know everything. They'd have somebody there, somebody there, somebody.

[Don Hahn]

I would go as far as to say, maybe Michael can answer this. Somebody from Yankee security would have been in the scrum.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Like ultimately protecting Volpe. Like when I. Oh, when the body started flying. There's some.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's a shield Zillows jumping in front.

[Caller]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so there's one team. If this were the Knicks, that's their building too, by the way.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we saw that already. We already know Bronson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We already. Brunson has a steel chair in his hand. Yeah, but we already know like that there Was literally there. Like the whole. Everybody was around that they were paying attention to everything there. Right. Okay. Then Rangers are obviously the same thing as well. Okay, we know how this usually is handled. So you got to believe that the Giants were aware of whatever this skit was supposed to be and approved it. Probably had their concerns, but made sure, wanted him to know. Like, these are the things. Like, just make sure you don't do anything stupid. I'm sure the. The trainer was made aware. Like, this stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum. They know where their players are. In fact, the team. Like, think about it. If he got hurt, he could have jeopardized his contract. Yes, he could have. Let's say if something bad happened and he got hurt and he could never recover and he could never play again. Right. He doesn't. That guaranteed money's gone. Gone. So there had to have been. There had to have been some involvement by the team. Had to have been.

[Don Hahn]

And. And the way that it is been. It happened. It was. It was probably a mistake to let him do it because it's probably been more negative than positive. Do you need it at least?

[Michael Kay]

At least. Well, it has Giants for Giants fans.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. I mean, maybe the rest of the country. People really liked it and thought it was fun, but here, certainly. Let's go to Kadeem in the car. What's up, Kadeem?

[Caller]

Gentlemen, good afternoon. This subject is. I'm annoyed, Don. I believe you said it in one of your famous rants. I don't remember the gentleman's name. A couple years back. People just want to be miserable. People just want to be upset. I mean, how soon we forget this is the same guy that. What was the Giants by week four, Week five.

[Don Hahn]

They haven't had a buy yet.

[Caller]

Huh?

[Don Hahn]

Giants haven't had a buy yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's coming up.

[Don Hahn]

It's coming up.

[Caller]

What was the. What was it? It was a week that they were like, ask. I think it was like a. Maybe they had a Thursday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thursday. It was a Thursday. Yes, it was a Thursday.

[Caller]

Cam. Yeah, they asked Cam. They were like, so what are you gonna do? He's like, nothing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Caller]

Exact. Exactly. And now the guy got a fractured ankle. People forget. Like, the kid's a 21 year old kid in New York. He can't play. You want him to just watch film for 18 hours a day?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

No. You. You just answered your own question. Yeah, the. The. The general Giant fan wants him to be miserable watching film and completely 100 dedicated to get back on the field and win. I'm not saying it's right, but you answered your own question. That's what the fans want. They want him to be.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They want him. They want your players to be like Rocky. In Rocky 1, where you live in squalor, you wake up, have raw eggs and do sit ups.

[Caller]

That's why Rocky.

[Don Hahn]

You're right. It's ridiculous. But I'm just telling you, that's how fans are. I know. When you're a loser, you're supposed to be depressed. Only winners get to smile. Only winners get to go to Studio 54 and dance. Right? Back in the 70s, you know what? You know the Rangers went to the cup in 79. They got to go to Studio 54. You ever hearing about any giants going to Studio 54 in the late 70s? No, because they stung.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They weren't allowed in.

[Don Hahn]

They weren't allowed in. You think Joe Pisarcik was boogieing down at Studio 54?

[Caller]

No.

[Michael Kay]

Roger Bear.

[Don Hahn]

Forget about it. He retired already. He's still kidding me. Ron Dugay, man. Oh, the 79 Rangers own that place.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were ringing them out, right?

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, please. Oh, by the way, Don, here you go. This was turned around for you. He cared for me to stop crying in the corner and start being funny on the show again, like little yo, yo, monkey boy. He wanted me to jump up and make the jokey jokey so the people go laugh time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jokey, jokey. So the people go laugh time. That is. That's some pros, man.

[Don Hahn]

That's the equivalent of me love you long time, right?

[Michael Kay]

It's the new version. Chokey jokey, so the people go laugh time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Monkey boy. Jokey, jokey. People go laugh time.

[Michael Kay]

He cared for me to stop crying in the corner and start being funny on the show again, like little yo, yo, monkey boy. He wanted me to jump up and make the jokey jokey so that people go laugh time. May have lost, Don.

[Don Hahn]

We lost.

[Caller]

Don't.

[Michael Kay]

I knew it was gonna be great. All right, let's go to. Let's go to Trucker Gill in Brooklyn. Hey, Gil.

[Caller]

Yo, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You guys.

[Caller]

You guys are the best, man. I'm serious. I'm dying over here. I'm dying with God, man.

[Don Hahn]

I'm dying.

[Caller]

Pete. Pete. Han. You're the best with. You're my man, bro. I ain't got to talk about it. I only watch you. I don't care who else is, you know, broadcasting the mix. I only watch you. You're the best.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, there he is.

[Caller]

Don, you the man, man. Your name says it all, brother. And your Your gig with. With the hockey team, bro, no one deserved that more than you with the Red Wings, man. Nobody deserved that more. More than you. But, Pete, this is for you, man. And I'm pretty sure the guys are gonna agree with me. Okay.

[Michael Kay]

Go ahead.

[Caller]

You are a real fun dude. You really are.

[Michael Kay]

Thank you.

[Caller]

When you do things like that that are not scripted or not even thought about, you just going off the top of your head, not taking it too long, you move through, man. That's the glue. This is what Michael K was telling you about. The monkey boy. Clang, clang. People laugh. You are, dude. And there's no insult. You brought a great atmosphere from hip hop to sports.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you.

[Caller]

You know what I'm saying? And you got an innovative way of talking about the marriage and talking about the owner and incorporating all that in. Now that's going to lead to my collaboration. The NFL and pro wrestling have done collaborations since the 1980s. Tell those guys, like Han said, stop being hypocrites. They were 23 at once and they love doing even worse things. Okay. I wish somebody involved me at Madison Square Garden and just do a little gig with a push and shove. Come on, man. And give me 50 grand. Guys, keep up the good work. Like the God says, thank you. I said all the time. The best. The best trio in sports talk, man. The best. Nobody, hands down. You guys have it.

[Don Hahn]

I think the quote is the best threesome.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

Thank you, Gail.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There's not many other three men.

[Michael Kay]

There could be some good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We are the best. Since there's no others.

[Michael Kay]

I'm not Mike Brown. That's a good point. I'm not Mike Brown. Sure. And I'm not paid to edit stuff. But that end there, he had some good stuff to be used in a promo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would. I was going to say the next GKB meeting we have can. Can kill. Just represent us.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. And by. Instead of us going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That'd be great.

[Michael Kay]

Let's go to. Let's go to James in Pennsylvania. James, what's going on, buddy?

[Caller]

Dhl.

[Don Hahn]

How are we doing, boys?

[Michael Kay]

Good, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

James, good.

[Caller]

Listen, this Carter story, it's really bothering me because I don't think it should be a story. And it can easily go away because, as you know, as you see, he's defended himself real hard. And the coach can step in and help him out. Just say, well, he was at, you know, he was getting treatment and he. We changed his schedule. It's up to him to keep his schedule. But he missed it. So he got punished for. And that's it. Let this story go away. Don't let this keep going on. It didn't. Now we're talking about. He's been sleeping in meetings and all of this stuff.

[Don Hahn]

That's a good point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very good point.

[Caller]

Which is it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very good.

[Don Hahn]

Because, listen, you've invested something in him. The third overall draft is not nothing. Right. His reputation is. Is been. Has been damaged here. And if it didn't happen, then what would be the harm? Allen, if Kafka just said, I want to set the record straight.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

He would. He was. He was. He sat out there for first drive because there was a miscommunication. To my knowledge, he has not been late. To my knowledge, he has no. There's been no issues. I was just disciplining him for that, saying we've moved on or saying anything other than that is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is.

[Don Hahn]

Is giving it fuel that it happened. And now you're damaging your own product, man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I completely agree. And now I don't believe he spoke today, so maybe that's. Unless. I thought they usually do a conference call with the coach, though, on Monday.

[Michael Kay]

Well, they.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm sorry. Tuesday. Yeah, usually the yesterday. But yesterday you got confused. Like Abdul Carter. Yeah, exactly.

[Michael Kay]

You got to be careful.

[Don Hahn]

All right. Sit out next segment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So willingly.

[Don Hahn]

The.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I just, like, he had enough opportunity post game. He didn't want to do it there. Fine. Yesterday, like, where was the opportunity? And I'm sure he's going to be asked about it, but I'm with you. This is now where you say to the head coach, let's just. Let's put an end to this narrative by just saying what happened and we move on and that's it. Instead of let the speculation grow and now this kid's reputation is really starting to take a beating, whether he deserves it or not, in fact.

[Michael Kay]

And where is it? Oh, Andrew Thomas was asked about Scatterboo on Raw. By the way, if you're wondering what'd you think of Cam's wrestling debut?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cam's crazy. All right.

[Michael Kay]

That's not bad, though.

[Don Hahn]

I think that's the answer you'd get to a lot of questions about him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now.

[Michael Kay]

He was. Thomas was also asked, what did you learn from a benching as a rookie for being late to a meeting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's just a rookie mistake, obviously. Accountability, and then you just making sure that never happens again.

[Don Hahn]

But it's coming to question exactly what he was disciplined for. You got to clear that up. You do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's exactly it.

[Michael Kay]

They're not all the same thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What and how often was this, like this gets two questions. What was it discipline for? And was this a recurring issue that needed to be addressed? That's it. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because now I'm gonna think, and maybe I'm wrong to think this, that if they don't address it, then what they're saying is that, no, Carter's lying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We don't want to tell you the truth because the truth is worse than what you ever. You're speculating.

[Don Hahn]

Because if Carter is lying, what should the Giants do? Own his lie or just keep quiet? So that's what I'm left with now. I'm left to assume that if the Giants don't say anything that Carter's lying. And do you want your third overall pick to be looked upon as a liar?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, he is what he is, right?

[Don Hahn]

No, but understood, at some point you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gotta, like, grab public relations the truth, right?

[Michael Kay]

Well, yeah. No, that's why it's really important, because I, I. You could definitely see a world in which one thing spread and it's just not accurate.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not gonna hold it up for you guys, but I'm gonna hold it up for the viewer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Don Hahn]

This is on the jumbotron here at. In Tampa. You're not going to see it till later, but it's hands juggling. Six, seven.

[Michael Kay]

It's out of control. Hey, listen, fortunately, it's almost dead. That's the only thing we can.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the fact that hockey's messing around with it kind of tells you from just a relevant standpoint that it's. It's near death. Yeah, hockey's been known to pick up the things a little later than.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, once it makes. Once it makes it to the big screen in hockey.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, there it is. Yeah. Can you see it?

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Michael Kay]

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[Michael Kay]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Michael Kay]

All right, ladies and gentlemen, talk about It Tuesday. As you just heard, we do it every day around this time. It's sponsored by our friends at BetterHelp Mentor. Mental health is health.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for telling me about the cowlick, by the way.

[Michael Kay]

I didn't even notice. Sorry, man. I don't have hair. I don't notice people's hair problems sticking up like crazy. You know what I'm saying? Don, I can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Got a haircut today and it's a mess.

[Don Hahn]

That's a yp, not an mp.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, that's a big time yp, not an mp.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Decipher.

[Michael Kay]

It's your problem. It's a you problem, not me problem.

[Don Hahn]

Your problem, not problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. That's how we get down.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's how we get down. Don was gonna start, but that's how we get down.

[Michael Kay]

You want to talk it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I don't.

[Michael Kay]

No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We don't talk about these.

[Michael Kay]

We file it away.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We just. We just. This is another thing. Now I'll have to stuff down into that.

[Caller]

No, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Builds up. This is why we talk about that one day when it comes out.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, it's ugly. Oh, it's ugly when it comes out, Johnny. All right, what do you got done?

[Don Hahn]

It's going after our network, but it's going after all the networks, so I'm Having lunch today, minding my own business. Right. Right across street from the arena. I wanted to get a bite to eat. So I'm leaving and I look and I see the promo for Knicks Mavericks.

[Michael Kay]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

I believe it's tomorrow. Correct. Alan, when did the Knicks play the game?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wednesday night. Yep.

[Don Hahn]

And that's a 9:30 tip.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Correct.

[Don Hahn]

Which will probably be a little bit.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Closer to 10, 9:40ish.

[Don Hahn]

Waiting for the first game of the doubleheader to end.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now remember, they only wait a certain amount of time. Then they just got to go.

[Don Hahn]

Because it happened to the Devils last Wednesday on tnt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was crazy.

[Don Hahn]

Where the second game of the doubleheader is Devils at Blackhawk. So people who don't know geography. Chicago is in the middle of the country in central time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

An hour away.

[Don Hahn]

An hour away. So which means when it's seven o', clock, it's eight o' clock and you know it's eight o' clock for us back East. So the. It's the second game of the doubleheader on tnt. The first game was Lightning and the Rangers, that game faced off at 9:52. So essentially it became a West coast game. The Devils in Chicago became a West coast game. And the poor people in Chicago, they get an 8:52 face off. The people in Dallas are going to get in what, an 840? Maybe an 8:45 tip. I understand there's only so many west coast teams and these networks want to have a second game of double hutter. But especially for the Chicago with the hockey island, is it fair to have fans sit there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

And then watch a game that starts at 8:52 local time on a Saturday?

[Peter Rosenberg]

On a Saturday, sure.

[Don Hahn]

Absolutely.

[Peter Rosenberg]

On a Friday even. Like I know you worked all day. Everybody works all day. Go to school all day. Maybe that's a long day. Saturday is fine, but not on a Wednesday.

[Don Hahn]

On a Wednesday and the same thing. Listen, I get. What do I care about Dallas fans or Chicago fans, but it's still. And then the Devil fans are the Knick fans on the East Coast. It essentially becomes like a West coast game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you're up late when it's happening.

[Don Hahn]

In the middle of the country for these games in the regular season. I understand you want the double header and all that, man, but there's enough west coast teams. The NHL just added two west coast teams in Seattle and Vegas. Okay, maybe you can get away with it in Colorado and Edmonton where it's a two hour time difference. But for an hour to have a game start at almost 9 o' clock I just thought was completely fair to the locals. It's unfair to the east coast side. I just, I saw that today and I'm like, damn fans are going to have to sit there and wait until maybe, maybe like quarter to 10 for a game in Dallas. Just see on a Wednesday again, you accept it when they're out in California, what are you going to do? It's a three hour time difference. But doing this in central time I think is unfair by these networks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And we're side by side tomorrow night msg, we're doing the game side by side vehicle. Side by side vehicle. So we will have a pregame show. We don't know when it's ending.

[Don Hahn]

And you know what's so interesting too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then the post game is that.

[Don Hahn]

All they care about is the networks. I get that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, what rules the world, Don?

[Don Hahn]

Right, exactly. But that's gonna hurt. MSG's local rating for a game that usually would start around like 8:30. Now after 9:30, you don't think that's gonna affect the number?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, I like to think, well, yes, it will affect the number because it's a side by side and some people when they see it's on ESPN don't think we're doing it right. So we lose an audience that doesn't bother to check if we have it. But what I also like to think is the late games. So it starts, you know, around nine, Right. Pregame and all that stuff. If you fall asleep watching the game, TV stays on, doesn't it? So I kind of hope for that.

[Don Hahn]

But, but, but there's also people like I gotta go to bed and you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just turn it off.

[Don Hahn]

I got a life. I gotta shut it off. Because yeah, again, I know it's all about the network and what they feel helps the network.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

Get the better rating. But honestly, even in basketball, which is way more of a national sport than hockey, is all right, that the needle mover is going to be the local teams.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

The large majority of people that watched Blackhawks Devils on TNT were from New Jersey and Chicago.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

So to cater to the rest of the country that doesn't care, they're going to affect the number. Back in New York.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a good point.

[Don Hahn]

You know, and even more so in the NBA with the side by side, you, you're trying to get a number on msg. MSG didn't have that game. It was a standalone televised game. So it doesn't matter from that standpoint. But you are affecting the local market to help the people that don't care. I understand you're trying to expand your national footprint, but at this point, honestly, the majority of the people watching Knicks, Mavericks in the middle of the night on the Wednesday are going to be Maverick and Nick fans. And those are the people you punish for it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a great point. It's been going on. It continues to go on. It's going to, it's never going to stop. But you would think that it's sometimes that the league would say we can't do that. And I think It's, I think NBC's worse. NBC's doing games where it's like 11 o' clock on the West Coast.

[Michael Kay]

I know. And by the way, some of, and.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Some of the games Eastern when, you know, I mean, even, even, even locally, that's a late start.

[Don Hahn]

I got. I gotta tell you again, if I became president, I get, I'm doing, I'm doing away with time zones in the United States.

[Michael Kay]

At least let me know how you feel.

[Don Hahn]

No, but, but think about like. Because first of all, you know, cry me a river. I get it for a lot of people, but these regional sports networks are all in trouble, right? They're. Because between the cord cutting and everything else and you're doing all these things that affect the regional can. I was having a conversation with people like in San Jose where the majority of their games are starting at 4:00 in the afternoon. Like, how are you supposed to get a number? They got a 3:30 pregame show when the Sharks are at the Rangers. Like you have like a whole audience of people that are still at work. Yep, we've got electricity, people. There are lights on every street corner. Stop it already. Can we just modernize, for God's sakes? The Farmers will figure out a way.

[Michael Kay]

So wait, are we, why can't we.

[Don Hahn]

All just have the same damn time?

[Michael Kay]

So is our talk about it turning from NBC, ESPN schedule to time zones to now the full on daylight saving?

[Peter Rosenberg]

There should be no, not even daylight savings. There should be no time zones. But here's the thing, Dodd. Whose time are we taking? Because we can't take east coast time.

[Don Hahn]

I'll take all Central.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You think it's Central, not Mountain?

[Don Hahn]

No, it's all Central Central. I'll even live with Mountain. Now wait a minute, Peter. If I, if I am on betterhelp, do I only get to talk about one thing? Like if I all of a sudden I move on to something else, do they say no, no, no.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Therapist is not a.

[Michael Kay]

Good point.

[Don Hahn]

You've only won one thing at a time.

[Michael Kay]

No, it's a great point by you. If the floor is your second session.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you want to. Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

You had some backup there, so you got to get it all out.

[Don Hahn]

Well, yeah, that's right. Four weeks. I'm supposed to be a member of a team here.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. And you were treated like Matt Damon on Jimmy Kimmel.

[Don Hahn]

I was treated like Abdul Carter. It was Alan, Peter and others.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

And other.

[Michael Kay]

Well, I do have something as well.

[Don Hahn]

Please.

[Michael Kay]

And I won't spend a lot of time here because I think we can get to this on the show. I think it's worth discussing because on a day when people are going to obsess over what Cam Scatterboo could have done to himself from this little push with a barrier between him and the wrestler, and they were so concerned about the injuries, yet no one's lining up to protest their team. And really, two teams, the Giants and the jets, cannot come together to create a safer environment for their players. Real Madrid takes their field.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Michael Kay]

And when the football game got played last week, their field went to an underground greenhouse to be protected. Hold on. I'll go further than that. When the World cup comes here next summer, they're not playing on that Repug field. They're building a pitch with proper grass because they don't want their players to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Die.

[Michael Kay]

Like Malik Neighbors. I'm going to go over some names who have. Who have broken their ish on the field here at MetLife over the last few years. Just on the Giants, Malik Neighbors. Andrew Thomas, actually. Let's go, Jets. Also Aaron Rodgers, Wanda Robinson and Sterling Shepard, both with ACLs in 22. Jabril Prep. Jabril Preppers. An ACL in 21, Nick Bosa in 2020. These are just the big ones, by the way. That's not giving you the ones like Josh Jacobs this past weekend where it might just be out a couple of weeks because you basically bounced off cement. So we can all get up in arms about Cam Scatterboo risking injury, but, guys, these two football teams that use this stadium can't come together and spend the money to take care of their players. And by the way, I don't know if you're aware of this, when you want to sign players like free agents, run other teams, if they've played there, they don't want to play there. Again, this is a problem and it needs to be dealt with. Like we're looking at all the. All the small problems, trying to figure out the little minutia this is a big picture problem here that needs to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Get solved, which also shows you that the ownership in New York doesn't care enough about it. Because what they'll tell you is that we've already replaced the turf there. We have this new turf, and this turf is better turf. But it takes a couple of years for it to settle in. It takes time for it to pack in. And once it does, studies show that it's better. And it's better for us and for this stadium that neither one of us own, right? We both share. We both. It's 50, 50. It shows you neither one of them wants to take the responsibility to say, you know what if you don't want to do it? I'm doing it because I'm doing it for my team and nobody's doing it. But here's the other problem. The NFLPA has been trying to get this to become a thing where every stadium is natural grass, every stadium natural grass. This is what we want. And the NFL saying, no, it's up to the individual owners, the stadiums, and there's all types of reasons, why should it be. You know what it sounds like?

[Michael Kay]

Huh?

[Peter Rosenberg]

There was a time where cigarettes had commercials on tv, I remember. And they said, yeah, it can cause things. But you know, there's other problems too, that cause that. So, you know, you can't really just blame it on cigarettes, right? And so, like, like, let's, let's. We distract you from really the problem because we don't want to stop taking that money because it was a lot of money from the tobacco industry. We didn't want to stop losing that income. So we kept finding reasons to defend it because I was killing people. But you know what? You know, car crashes kill more people than cigarettes do. Like, they were trying to find ways to show you that your outrage was an overreaction. And they're doing a strategic thing in the NFL. And so that's the problem. It's how much is it going to cost us? It's not worth it for us. And then you see that field in Real Madrid, in Spain, and what they do, the painstaking attention that they put into when they built a stadium to say, this is how much we value the surface of the field is we want it to be this perfect what our players.

[Michael Kay]

This is how much we value these guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Your team is building a new stadium, is it not?

[Michael Kay]

It is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How is your team not going to be the first one in the league to say, you know what? We're doing that.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, they have. I pray there's technology that shows me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We can do it.

[Michael Kay]

And they've been doing it. And Washington's been terrible. Washington has real grasp. It's just been a terrible field forever. Poorly maintained, has been hurt a million times. You have to. You have to get this right. And they're not leaving MetLife Don, anytime soon. So this needs to get done.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it just shows you how powerless the NFLPA is, because if this were baseball, they would, you know, threaten to strike to get something done and get something done. But unfortunately, the players association in the NFL is so weak, and the owners take advantage of that. Also, let's not forget, and it's the reason why MetLife Stadium got a Super bowl is because the jets and Giants pay for their stadium. So the NFL probably doesn't feel like we'll spend even more money to fix your turf. But if you really cared about your players, to Peter's point, that would get it resolved, regardless of how much money it costs. But look how slow they were with concussions. Forget it. Smoking cigarettes. Look how long it took them to finally convince the world or be convinced by the world. The concussions were a problem.

[Peter Rosenberg]

CTE was an issue with their place.

[Don Hahn]

So they're slow to this. But bottom line is, you made a great point, Peter. At some point, they're going to lose a lot of face off, some free agency. Why would I want to go play there and have my career cut short, my season cut short?

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, listen to the guys who play there. Listen to the people who just show up there. I mean, players say it literally hurts just to land on it. It really feels like they're not landing on grass, because they're not.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they downplay it and act like you're the one that's just outraged over time.

[Michael Kay]

That's grass there in Vegas in the new place.

[Don Hahn]

And they talk about how. Because it's multipurpose because two teams play on it. Well, last I checked in Hines Field in Pittsburgh, if it's still called Hines Field, I don't even remember two teams play on that. The Steelers and the Pittsburgh Panthers in college football. And they have grass. So why can't that life.

[Michael Kay]

Listen, there's a cost to it, obviously.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You talk about the amount of demolition that would need to be done. That's an all. Like, you're starting that in January because they all know they're not playing in February and they're. You're not finishing it. Like, you'd have to be done by August. Can you do something that dramatic? I think in that short Amount of.

[Michael Kay]

Time I have to imagine, by the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Way, the World cup is coming there. You know what they're doing? They're putting down real grass.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then they're taking it up again. Don't understand it.

[Michael Kay]

You have one also, Alan. I have.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I have one. I can be. I can be quick. Because there's nothing like you guys brought up real world problems. I'm bringing up something that I feel like really bothers me, and I'm wondering how many other people feel the same way.

[Michael Kay]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So UNO has decided to really ruin the game by going on social media and telling you all the things that you thought were in the rules or maybe you just created on your own, saying, no, you can't do that. And so one of the things that was confirmed that someone asked, because UNO has, believe it or not, a social media thing, real UNO game that you can ask questions to.

[Michael Kay]

Oh.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So somebody said, if you put down a draw, can the person who had a draw to put down a draw two card and make the next person draw for the response? You cannot officially stack a draw to on a draw two. Now, I don't know about you.

[Michael Kay]

Go ahead.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But we have played games where draw twos, because if you have a small group, like four people, everybody could have a draw two in their hand at one time. You can get a draw eight going here. Like, you can get dramatic, you can get aggressive, and that makes it more fun.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You take that out of the game.

[Michael Kay]

It's not the game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's boring. Like, I feel like a wild draw four. Put that down. If I have a wild draw four, boom, that's eight. You next.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. That change.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I mean, you talk about that gets rowdy. It gets. It gets aggressive. People get mad.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, yeah. There's passion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that makes it fun.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I need to talk about how UNO is really no longer as fun as I thought it was. Does anybody agree with me?

[Michael Kay]

This is official. They've issued this rule.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Real UNO game was. Is the Twitter handle. And that was the answer to a question. It was. It was asked.

[Michael Kay]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I've always played that way. And by the way, I'm still going to play that way. Don't care what you do, what you want.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know what?

[Michael Kay]

It's your uno.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. But some people, you know, they're like, no, the official rules are you can't don.

[Don Hahn]

Are they.

[Michael Kay]

Are you guys.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's how you get kicked out. Out of the house. Are you go.

[Michael Kay]

Are you at the age of playing Uno in the house yet?

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So much fun.

[Don Hahn]

We play Clue.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's fun too.

[Michael Kay]

A different kind of game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, but when you play Uno and like again, the kids are older, you.

[Michael Kay]

Know, you can play Uno when you're like six, but then you can also play when you're 16.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

It's got a different, it's got different things.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Especially when my mom, Stephanie.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is just giggling because she has terrible poker face and you know what's, you know, something like bad's coming. Like a draw four. Something's coming because she just has this look on her face and then the kids start laughing. It just gets crazy.

[Michael Kay]

But people do take their Uno very, very seriously. And that will do it. For let's talk about a Tuesday sponsored by better help, visit betterhelp.com timeout for 10 off your first month of therapy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Michael Kay]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your PODC podcasts.

[Michael Kay]

One of my all time favorite records right here.

[Don Hahn]

Is it wrong I only know this from all.

[Michael Kay]

No, that's most people. Most people know this from Office Space.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I.

[Michael Kay]

So good. I fell in love with this song. It was when the Ghetto boys had a greatest hits album called Ghetto Boys Uncut Dope. You know how you do a greatest hits album and you throw one new song on it?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

That was the one new song that they threw on their greatest hits in like 92 or night, maybe a little later. 95. And I loved it. And nobody, I didn't know anyone playing that record. And then Office Space, it went crazy after Office Space. I mean that scene is so iconic. What a great tune. By the way. Game Time brought to you by. Tell them more. Do Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time. Yeah, it's Tully time. It's Tolly time. Ranger Rangers, Golden Knights in Vegas with coverage following us following Dan Grasse at 9:30 right here on 880. Don's in Tampa for Devil's Lightning at 7. Of course you can watch that on the MSG networks. The Nets hosting the seas at 7:30. I didn't realize the Celtics are in town. Isles face the Stars in Dallas at 8. And coverage of the Champions Classic will be on 1050 at 6 o'. Clock. Tullamore do the original triple distilled triple blend in triple cast mature Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemore do or try the new Telemore do, honey. During Today's action glasses up to enjoying Telemore responsibly. And of course, nxt, if you're a wrestling fan, is at the MSG theater tonight at 7 o'. Clock. That card gets started.

[Don Hahn]

It's not called Hulu anymore. I don't remember.

[Michael Kay]

I think it is. I think it's called Hulu Theater. I'm just calling it the theater.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I think it's.

[Michael Kay]

It's always safely the theater.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes, very.

[Michael Kay]

By the way, I want to tell you, Don, because you got some traveling to do. I fired up just the beginning. Like the first 10 minutes of the Eddie documentary.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

And it's like indescribably good.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Michael Kay]

I. For some reason, the way he opens up from the second it starts, your heart is just immediately like, first of all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So he's serious.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, it's. Well, no, he's still like, he's still being Eddie.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But is it. Is it, Is it like childhood and all that stuff?

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. Like, he has a moment where he walks up to this. I won't give much away, but he has this moment early on where he walks up to a picture on his wall and it's a kid's picture. Like you would take it a department store. I saw this.

[Don Hahn]

And you saw the clip.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

And it's of him and Charlie. And he's like this picture of me and my brother. This is the reason my parents got divorced. And then he tells the story of his parents divorce and remembers the exact moment and then gets into some stuff about Charlie, which, of course, we lost Charlie back in 2017. He was such a New Yorker.

[Don Hahn]

Hard to believe that long.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. And then they have interview stuff with a lot of great people, including old stuff with Charlie. But just out of the gate, you're just sort of floored by his entire story.

[Don Hahn]

And what's it on?

[Michael Kay]

It's a Netflix view.

[Don Hahn]

It's a Netflix.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, you'll love it, Don. Right away you'll be like, you got 90 minutes of your flight done. Now, Alan, you have something to pick up with Don, don't you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, Don, you. You set off the teacher and Stephanie, she's just firing off text at me right now about your, your, your time zone take.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She said, you can't stop the time zones. Then it'll be afternoon in some countries will be dark. Silly, she said. Silly.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, so it's loving. It's loving, Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then she said, it's the do away with spring forward and fall back. And then I just said, well, why don't you just use Central Mountain as the standard. And she said, but what would the other side of the world do?

[Don Hahn]

Why can't we just do it ourselves and not worry about the rest of the world?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What about Canada?

[Don Hahn]

Well, but they're still in the same continent, Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like so time would be different there.

[Don Hahn]

Not only it's tomorrow in New Zealand. Right. They're in the middle of what time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's of the world.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. And everything there. They're all operating in their own way, all the way over there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just don't think you could do it.

[Don Hahn]

I think you do anything you want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you could do anything you want, but it wouldn't work.

[Don Hahn]

Why New York City?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because again, you're talking about light. You're talking about all the things that do happen when the earth does rotate.

[Don Hahn]

Understood. Adjustments, Right. Do I like the fact that I did. Some people go to work on the east coast in the dark and then go home in the dark.

[Michael Kay]

But 8p, 8pm in LA always sun all the time?

[Don Hahn]

Basically, yeah. Do you think they complain about that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'd complain here. I wouldn't like that. Constantly just like again now. But there is something about though, the earth's tilt, all that stuff that has to do with time and also daylight that's also important.

[Don Hahn]

Well, we'll adjust. I don't think it'll be that big of an adjustment.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I do understand the whole spring ahead fallback thing that everybody feels like is, you know, obsolete. That I understand.

[Don Hahn]

Where is it like on it doesn't do it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Indiana. Right? Indiana doesn't do it. I don't think.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah, there's one place Arizona does. Arizona.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I thought it was Indiana too. Like Indiana doesn't care. They don't bother.

[Don Hahn]

No, Indiana. What the cool thing about Indiana is, is that you get more light because you're so close to central time zone, but you're still on the east coast time zone.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

It's all. Well, somebody explained to me one time, well, you don't want kids, you know, waiting to go to school in the dark. Then we got light. Now I understood why we did it back in the day when we didn't have electricity.

[Michael Kay]

What do you want this to be?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, is there a place in China? Right. Isn't there a city in China where they tried to create like enough light there would be like a sun? So at night it's this gigantic light that lights up the city when it's dark out. Have you seen that?

[Don Hahn]

But we don't have to get that crazy. Like how do they live In Alaska. In certain places where it's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, they don't. Not very well. They don't really love it there. Well, some people just have to fight through it then.

[Don Hahn]

Just tell your wife not to vote for me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, you're not gonna win.

[Michael Kay]

Well, you're not not there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're not getting the teacher vote done. And that's a very big vote.

[Michael Kay]

You know, it is important. You're gonna have to at least talk to them, teach through it and see where you guys land.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

You can't just go writing them off right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. You need them on your side.

[Don Hahn]

I got to show them examples and how we'd make it work.

[Michael Kay]

All right. I'm worried about where things. Things seem to be picking up. Business picking up.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're here. We're here in Tampa's getting ready for a big one tonight. Seven, by the way, on the six seven thing. The Ottawa 67s had a six seven night. Of course they did.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I'm saying. Hockey finally got it. That's when you know it's dead. You know how I love hockey, but hip is not a way to describe the sport.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. It's usually late on things. Yeah.

[Michael Kay]

Some of the music. And some of the music, too. Like, it'll be a straight playlist from 77.

[Don Hahn]

And also.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And when spring training starts in baseball, because they're late to it, too, they're going to start doing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, they'll be doing. No doubt about it. Absolutely.

[Michael Kay]

No, no. That we will definitely have, like, stupid things with 6, 7 during the baseball season. It's happening.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Yeah. And by then. No, everybody be sick of it. The Mets love is six, seven.

[Michael Kay]

You know, by the way, if anyone is listening with their kids right now, you force your kids to listen to the program. Maybe like. Maybe like 10, 11, 12, 13. That range love for to have the kids call in and tell us is six, seven dead as a result of what's going on with the adults.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, that'd be a great perspective.

[Michael Kay]

You got to have kids in the car right now. 1-800-919-3776.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Eye rolling. If you're eye rolling. If your kids in the backseat listening, eye rolling at us talking about 6, 7, saying they've ruined it. We need to hear.

[Don Hahn]

I got to get the timeline. But I suspect if you remember laughing. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sure.

[Don Hahn]

Peter may not remember. I don't.

[Michael Kay]

But I know soccer to me, the.

[Don Hahn]

Sock it too me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Did it die when Nixon did it? Like when Nixon went on and said socket to me, it had to die three seconds later.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's it. Nobody said it anymore. It's square now.

[Michael Kay]

Well, Nixon at no matter and no matter what the age. Richard Nixon was the oldest man of all time. I've never seen him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He was old when he was young.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, yeah. He. From the second. There's visual footage that he existed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes. He was 80. He had turkey neck and long years. He was 20. And he.

[Michael Kay]

I don't know when, but he was always old.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They called him Unk when he was in high school.

[Michael Kay]

It's like the opposite of Clinton. Clinton was very young for a very long time. And then really like the rock and roll now. Now, let's see. Let's see how fast Jacob is talking to me. Let's see how fast Jacob is. And Clinton stayed young for a long time, and then when he left office and became a vegan, Clinton became, like, 80 overnight.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Got real, like, drawn.

[Michael Kay]

Oh, yeah. Really?

[Don Hahn]

I only saw clips because, you know, I don't watch the Manning cast, but.

[Michael Kay]

George Bush, talk about Nolan Richardson and my Razorbacks.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's pretty good.

[Don Hahn]

W. Got old pretty quick, too, but.

[Michael Kay]

Not as old as Clinton.

[Peter Rosenberg]

W. Always had a young, like, way about him.

[Michael Kay]

Kind of like, he does look like an older guy now, which he is, but, like, he still looks like a young, older guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, out of all the most recent presidents, isn't W the one that looks like he'd probably be. I have a great time.

[Michael Kay]

I mean, I think he'd probably just.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, hang with you, crack a beer, have a great.

[Michael Kay]

I don't know if you know this. He survived a presidency based on that. That was his number one thing, no matter how he went. But don't you want to have a beer with. You know what I mean?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But still, when you think about all of them, though.

[Michael Kay]

Yeah. No, him. Him and Barack seem like they'd be a hang. Like, you could hang out. I mean, Barack's a narrow. Too smart for you. No, you want to be able. Because you want to. You want to have George.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, you want to be able to make fun of him.

[Michael Kay]

You want to be able to rip on him.

[Don Hahn]

I want to.

[Michael Kay]

Let's talk about George Brett.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You want, like, you want to rip on him and he'll. And he'll take it.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he had a funny line, because I think it was Peyton that asked him, did you always want to get to serve? And he's like, well, did you see me in college? I wasn't really thinking about politics back then, getting in trouble.

[Michael Kay]

And by the way, he's changed a lot over the years. That w. That's this is me, Paul.

[Peter Rosenberg]

O', Neill, thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Michael Kay]

I don't want to know how the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sausage is made, but I just want to know. It's good. Here, more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers.