Hour 2: Greeny & Talk About It

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Greeny & Talk About It

Date: November 4, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Special Guest: Mike Greenberg

Overview

This episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg dives deep into a landmark day for the New York Jets, dissecting the team's blockbuster trades, the state of both the Jets and Giants, and the emotional life of New York sports fans. Mike Greenberg (“Greeny”) joins for an extended segment, providing an expert’s perspective with honest, passionate energy. The show also covers memorable sports moments, broadcasting superstition, and a bit of movie nostalgia.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Jets' Transformational Trades: Mixed Feelings and Deeper Frustration

Segment: 00:14–04:20

• Jets Trade Blockbusters: The Jets have traded major stars, including a $100 million cornerback and Quinnen Williams, for a substantial haul of picks and promising young receiver AD Mitchell.
• Greeny's Take:
  • Positive side: “At 1-7, this is the right thing to do. What's the point of having $100 million cornerback on a terrible team?” (Greenberg, 01:28)
  • Negative side: “It's one of the great indictments on leadership that I've ever seen that they are forced to break this group up before it... accomplish[ed] anything.” (Greenberg, 02:36)
• Cultural Reflection: Greeny argues that this roster should have accomplished much more, and the necessity to tear it down is a sign of systemic failure.

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2. Is There Hope? Comparing Jets & Giants Rebuilds

Segment: 04:20–07:22

• Alan's Jealousy: Alan expresses envy as a Giants fan that the Jets get a true fresh start—new regime, new picks—while the Giants risk stagnation with the same leadership.
  • “You're given a fresh start with a fresh general manager... maybe this is day one of what's going to be the beginning of a new era of jets football.” (Alan Hahn, 05:14)
• Greeny's Counter: The Giants have two things the Jets don't:
  1. Jackson Dart, a promising young quarterback ("I would trade every pick the jets got today for Jackson Dart." – Greenberg, 05:55)
  2. Coaching Uncertainty: Greeny would rather face unknown coaching than stick with Aaron Glenn, who’s been “underwhelming” (“I've gotten nothing but a terrible feeling since this season began watching Aaron Glenn coach.” – Greenberg, 06:11)

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3. Jets’ Rebuild Path: Quarterback Search & Draft Realities

Segment: 07:22–12:08

• Moving Forward: Acquiring picks enables the Jets to target a top quarterback, possibly trading up, with Greeny citing scouting from his “First Draft” podcast.
  • Key prospects: Dante Moore (only true blue-chip), Fernando Mendoza, Ty Simpson
• Draft Challenge:
  • Many available QBs are inexperienced; Greeny is particularly high on Jackson Dart’s toughness and ceiling.
  • “He has spunk and he's got spirit and he's got all kinds of talent... He is exactly what successful quarterbacks in the 2020s are.” (Greenberg, 09:16)
• Cautious Development:
  • “You can't play [Dante Moore] immediately... Under no circumstances could he be the starting quarterback for the New York jets or any NFL team Week 1 next season.” (Greenberg, 10:25)
  • The priority: Bring in a veteran bridge QB, don't rush a rookie.

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4. Big Dreams & Burrow Speculation

Segment: 12:08–17:14

• Alan’s Dream Scenario: Could Jets trade for a star like Joe Burrow, using draft and cap assets?
  • Greeny’s take: Tempting, but “why the actual heck would [Burrow] say, yeah, I think I'll go to the jets next year?” (Greenberg, 15:21)
• Problem of Perception:
  • “Right now, the jets reputation... You're not starting in a place you're in a franchise that right now the jets reputation there is not a young player...old enough to remember the last time the jets played in a playoff game. My son was 9. He just graduated college.” (Greenberg, 17:14)

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5. The Woody Johnson Problem and Coaching Outlook

Segment: 17:14–19:10

• Ownership as Root Cause:
  • “Woody Johnson is where the problems begin. There's no other way to say it...” (Greenberg, 17:16)
  • Bad reputation makes Jets a tough destination for star players or elite coaches.
  • The only hope: Draft right or “catch lightning in a bottle with a Dan Campbell type.”

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6. On Not Trading Within the Division

Segment: 19:10–20:28

• Alan shares new info: AFC East teams inquired about Jets trades, but New York refused to bolster rivals.
• Greeny disagrees:
  • “I'm not at all cool with that. What the hell difference does it make whether it's Buffalo or New England or Miami?... You get the best piece you possibly can.” (19:31)

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7. Baseball’s Epic Week: World Series and Sports Vibes

Segment: 20:28–22:53

• Peter asks Greeny on World Series Game 7:
  • Greeny: “That was a night even if you had no horse in the race, it was hard to breathe at times... The whole night felt like overtime hockey in a playoff game.” (20:48–21:20)
  • Baseball “had about as good a week as it's had in a really long time...an absolutely outstanding World Series.”

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8. Back to the Future Movie Nostalgia

Segment: 24:02–27:36

• Peter discusses re-watching Back to the Future in theater, noting new details appreciated as an adult, especially narrative subtleties and impact on confidence.
• Banter about other movie experiences and changes in theater-going culture.
• Alan shares he almost saw it alone (“I've never gone to the movies by myself, but I would have done that.” – Hahn, 26:42)

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9. The Cross-Sport World Series Effect

Segment: 28:01–34:54

• Alan describes surreal experience calling an LA Kings game as the stadium erupts for a Dodgers World Series homer (30:28).
• Edmonton Oilers players distracted by Blue Jays game being shown in arena.
• Discussion of how Canada and the US rally around single national teams, especially when making history.

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10. Debate: Broadcasting Jinxes and Superstitions

Segment: 36:02–42:19

• Alan and Peter analyze the “announcer jinx” when calling out a team or player’s perfect streak (e.g. free throws, no-hitters).
• Mike Breen’s stance: “I'm supposed to say what they're shooting from the free throw. That's my job.” (36:35)
• Alan: “If anyone had that much power, like, first of all, you're not paying us nearly enough money.” (37:08)
• Alan’s personal anecdote: Caught a ball to save a high school no-hitter, not realizing the stakes; wonders if he’d have succeeded knowing the pressure. (41:18)

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11. Jets Fans’ Struggles: Callers Weigh In on Rebuild

Segment: 42:32–47:56

• Gene from Jersey City expresses deep skepticism in the organizational ability to rebuild—“It's pretty daunting. I feel like we're copying the Nets... None of their picks are any good.” (43:04)
• Alan & Peter explain: Fresh regime deserves a chance; skepticism is normal but giving up entirely undercuts fandom.
• Alan: “If you're going to have zero faith in anything that they do, then why do you bother?... it's hope, but what else you got? You're a 1 in 7 football team.” (44:23)

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12. Practical Realities of the Rebuild

Segment: 47:56–48:51

• Alan: Tearing down a failed team is the “easy part,” rebuilding successfully is the “hard part.”
• Peter: “Today could have easily ended with those players gone and...not nearly as exciting...they got a nice haul.” (48:06)
• Alan: “I could have done that. But now is the hard part.” (47:56)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Greeny: “You have to hope. As Jet fans. We have nothing to do but hope.” (05:32)
• Alan: “This is what new regimes do...maybe this is day one of what's going to be the beginning of a new era of jets football.” (05:14)
• Peter: “Do you view any of them [Moore, Mendoza, Simpson] as a potentially franchise changing quarterback that you would absolutely be psyched if the Jets were able to get?” (09:48)
• Greeny on Trauma: “The Jets aren't the worst team in the NFL, they just play like it.” (03:39)
• Greeny on Ownership: “Woody Johnson is where the problems begin. There's no other way to say it.” (17:15)
• Alan on Superstition: “If anyone had that much power, you're not paying us nearly enough money.” (37:08)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Jets Blockbuster Trades & Rationale: 00:14–04:20
• Jets vs. Giants – Rebuild Perspectives: 04:20–07:22
• QB Draft and Future Hope: 07:22–12:08
• QB Speculation & Dreaming Big (Burrow): 12:08–17:14
• Ownership & Destination Drama: 17:14–19:10
• Not Trading in Division/GMs Philosophy: 19:10–20:28
• Baseball’s Magic Week: 20:28–22:53
• Back to the Future Special Segment: 24:02–27:36
• Crossover Sports World Series Night: 28:01–34:54
• Announcer Jinx Debate: 36:02–42:19
• Jets Fan Callers & the Root of Skepticism: 42:32–48:51

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Tone & Takeaways

• Raw Honesty: Hosts and guests don’t sugarcoat—the state of New York sports, especially the Jets, is tough. Hope coexists with skepticism, and the emotional baggage of fandom is on full display.
• Balanced Perspective: The episode doesn’t dwell in despair; they highlight strategic logic behind the rebuild, celebrate the silver linings (draft returns, potential for a new quarterback), and amplify the communal agony and humor of being a New York fan.
• Relatable Anecdotes: Stories about broadcasting superstitions and childhood sports drama provide a lighter, human counterpoint to the business and heartbreak of professional sports.

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For Fans Who Missed the Episode

This episode offers a comprehensive, intelligent, and heartfelt assessment of a major turning point for the Jets with honest debate about whether hope or history will win out. The conversational energy, expert opinions, and humor make it essential listening for any New York–area sports fan.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers, 402.

[Alan Hahn]

In the big city. Don on in Rosenberg. Big, big jet day. And if you're gonna have a big jet day, have one of their biggest fans and one of our favorite people, Mike Greenberg, is gonna join us here. I'm Don Hunter. Rosenberg. How are you, man?

[Mike Greenberg]

I've been kind of running around and busy today. Did I miss anything? Anything going on?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I mean, just not that you'd care about, but humongous deals, what Rich.

[Alan]

Samini called potentially a transformational day in jets history. End quote. Would you agree with that, Greenie?

[Mike Greenberg]

Of course it is. And I have extraordinarily mixed feelings now. I have been, you know, like everyone else is, frantically refreshing my Twitter app for the last few minutes. They did not trade Breece or Germain, right?

[Alan Hahn]

No. And Rich said he didn't think they were going anywhere.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Mike Greenberg]

So finish that thought, Alan. I'm curious to hear, because I. That seems to be the last or those seem to be the last pieces that could potentially have gone here.

[Alan]

Yeah, it was that they were looking for a second for Jermaine and that the 49ers might have been a team that would have done it. Obviously with Solid, There is the D.C. and with Breece, they were looking for a third. So it didn't look like anybody was willing to pay that price.

[Mike Greenberg]

Yeah, they'll get a compensatory pick of some kind for Breece hall if he leaves this off season. Probably not as good as what they would have got now if they wind up signing any free agents. So here are my thoughts. And I've just been sitting here like everybody else watching what everyone is saying, and I have mixed feelings. The positive ones are basically stem from the fact that at 1 and 7, this is the right thing to do. What's the point of having $100 million cornerback on a terrible team? What's the point of having Quinn and Williams and his seventh season on a team that isn't looking like it's going to do any significant winning anytime in the near future? And I think what they got for both of those players is more than I expected. I had heard people speculating maybe they would get a two for Quinn and Williams. They got a one. Maybe they would get a one for Sauce Gardner. They got ones plus A.D. mitchell, who I must say, I loved coming out in the draft. Now, obviously he has not done a lot in Indianapolis. But he was a, he was a very, very good college player and I think has some potential either way. I think they, they did well with the trades that they made. So those are the positive feelings to have today. I think the negative feelings to have today are this was a team that just did this not long ago and I believe, and will always believe, put together a very talented young roster, a young core of players that should have accomplished so much more. And it is one of the great indictments on leadership that I have ever seen that they are forced to break this group up before it has, before it is able to accomplish anything. When you look at the draft they had a couple of years ago and you throw in Quinn and Williams and you throw in a few others, I mean, this is a team that Aaron Rodgers, say what you will about him, identified hand picked as the place he thought was a quarterback away from winning a championship. And frankly, many of us, myself included, didn't think he was crazy for thinking that these were very talented players. So much young talent on this team that has just been completely wasted and so now just sort of reshuffled again. And we'll sit here and we'll wait and we'll see if they make good picks and what they're doing in 2027. I have absolutely confidence that they have the right coach in place to guide and mold whatever this team becomes in the next two years. So those are the negative feelings that I have. I have a feeling, like most fans probably of enormous frustration that does it sort of finish this thought. And I think I said this to you guys when I was in studio a few weeks ago. The jets aren't the worst team in the NFL. They just play like it, or at least they weren't as of this morning. They had too many good players to be as bad as they've been. And that is an overwhelming indictment on their leadership.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, listen, I think you have respect for me, so maybe this will make you feel better. As a Giant fan, I'm envious of you right now because you've got a new regime.

[Mike Greenberg]

You're right.

[Alan Hahn]

You might not have the coach, we're going to find out. But if this was being done by Joe Douglas, I could understand your apprehension because a lot of negative had happened. It's the old regime wasting the talent, then trying to replace it. This is what new regimes do and you're not getting these picks unless you give up talented players. But they were talented players that weren't doing anything for you. And the reason I'm envious of you, Mike, is because I look at the Giants and I see talent there, but I see the same regime which they're actually contemplating bringing back and maybe extending during the off season to what? To double down, to just start seven and two again for the next two years in a row, like so you're given a fresh start with a fresh general manager. I understand there's apprehension because the jets never seem to get it right. But eventually it's decisions like this, Mike, where organizations finally do turn it around. And maybe this is day one of what's going to be the beginning of a new era of jets football.

[Mike Greenberg]

That's 100% right. You just have to hope. That's all we have is hope. As Jet fans. We have nothing to do but hope.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not blind hope.

[Mike Greenberg]

Finally, the time, it would be blind.

[Alan Hahn]

Hope it was Joe Douglas doing this. I don't think it's completely blind hope. Here.

[Mike Greenberg]

Here's what I think the Giants have that the jets don't have. The Giants have two things the jets don't have the overwhelming one is Jackson Dart. I would trade every pick the jets got today for Jackson Dart.

[Peter]

Wow.

[Mike Greenberg]

So that's. Or I mean, some facsimile thereof. You know what I mean? I would much rather have Jackson Dart than have traded for all of these draft picks. So that's first. Second, the Giants have the unknown. I still. I will be surprised if Brian Dabel is their coach next year. Now, you follow it minute to minute more closely than I do, Don. I believe they will have a new coach next year. And I would rather have uncertainty at coach. I would rather be waiting to find out who my next coach is going to be than have the coach right now. I think the jets have. I have gotten nothing but a terrible feeling since this season began watching Aaron Glenn coach. And I. That makes me sad to say that because I am inclined to root for him, not only because he's the coach of the jets, but because he played for the jets and was a terrific player for the Jets. And from everyone I know who knows him, everybody loves him. But I've not. I've been, to put it mildly, underwhelmed by, with what I've seen. So I think the Giants have the quarterback in place who looks like he has a chance, I think, to be really good. And I think there is the possibility that they go out and they get themselves the next great coach or some great coach or some new coach. So right now, if you ask me, would I trade places with the Giant fan? The answer Is yes, I would, I would rather be the Giants right now in their future situation.

[Alan Hahn]

In order, in order to get to where the Giants are and you need that quarterback, you need picks, you're going to need ways in order to be able to get that, whether it's a veteran or whether it's, you know, getting the picks to move up to get them in the draft. That's what you need to do to get there.

[Mike Greenberg]

That's correct. And so they did that today. Yes, I have no quarrel with what they did today. Being where we were when we woke up this morning, this was exactly the right day for the jets to have. And to that point, I host this first draft podcast with Mellon Field every week. So I'm as acutely up to date on the quarterbacks who may and may not be in this draft class as you can possibly be. The three names that I think you're going to be hearing a lot are going to be Dante Moore, Fernando Mendoza and Ty Simpson. And Mel Giper's opinion right now, Mendoza has no more college eligibility left. Simpson and Moore do. Mel thinks both of them should go back to school. Neither one of them will have had. I think more will have had 17 or 18 starts by the end of this season. Simpson is just a one year starter. That's generally a sign of disaster. You need more starts than that. So it comes down to Mendoza. He may be the only real blue chip, whatever the word I'm looking for is legitimate number one pick in this draft. And I think there's a real chance the Titans are the worst team in the league and wind up with that number one pick. They have their quarterback, I assume of the future in Cam Ward, so they'll probably be willing to trade that. So, yes. What the jets got today hopefully is the ammunition to move up from number three or four, wherever it is we wind up picking. Package that together with one of these picks and move up to number one and you take Mendoza or whichever quarterback you identify and you hope. If you told me right now, and I would love to be wrong, but if you told me right now, I could either have whoever that person is or Jackson Dart, I would take Jackson Dart.

[Peter]

Wow, you are that high on Jackson Dart, huh?

[Mike Greenberg]

Are you not? I think he looks, I mean, I think he's terrific. I think under extremely adverse circumstances, he has performed extremely well. His best receiver got knocked out immediately. His running mate and buddy is out now. It's a team that has a lot of holes, obviously, and I think he's got spunk and he's got spirit and he's got all kinds of talent. I think he is exactly what quarterback successful quarterbacks in the 2020s are with his size and his athleticism. I am very high.

[Peter]

I guess I'm like, I'm one notch behind you. I think he seems very good. I think it's going to be a tough year here because the Giants now have kind of found their place being whatever and I think the next it's going to be a bit of a slog over the last couple of months of his rookie year, but I do think he seems to be on paper and what we can see from him, fantastic. Also, Greeny, I wouldn't give up on the jets being absolutely the worst team in the league and getting that number one pick overall. So let me ask you if it was any of the three guys that you just mentioned, even if Mendoza is the most likely, do you view any of them as a potentially franchise changing quarterback that you would absolutely be psyched.

[Mike Greenberg]

If the jets were able to get yes, Dante Moore. But you can't play him immediately. You cannot do the thing that these teams, including the jets, always do. They drafted Sam Darnold and they had veterans in the building, including Teddy Bridgewater and they chose to start the kid week one and that was an enormous mistake. And they did the same thing with Zach Wilson, only worse. They had absolutely no one there to guide or mentor him at all. So that was a disaster. So yes, do the thing if you're going to be patient. If we've just traded for, you know, we have three first round picks in 2027. So if you're going to do that thing, if Dante Moore comes out, take him and get a veteran. I don't care what veteran is. Get whatever the next iteration of Andy Dalton is and commit to playing that guy. Commit to that guy being your quarterback no matter how bad it gets and no matter how much the fans boo and no matter how much people chant we want more or whatever it is. That kid is 20 years old right now. You bring him to New York and you stick him out there, you are absolutely going to do to him what you did to Donald and what you did to Wilson and what has happened to all of these guys. So if you're asking me what I would like. Dante Moore is, has got all of the tools that you could ever possibly want. But he's a 20 year old kid. Under no circumstances could he be the starting quarterback for the New York jets or any NFL team Week 1 next season. So that would be What I would like, I would like to see if more comes out. I would like to see the jets draft him and then bring in whatever veteran you want to be the bridge quarterback and commit to sticking with that no matter what happens.

[Alan]

Well, I got two things for you. First one is it's obviously Joe Flacco. That would be like, that's a one year guy. Look at the way he's playing.

[Peter]

It's Allen's dream.

[Alan]

He still got it. But. But the second thing is, is that your whole mentality, this is your motto, is less is more. You draft him and you say we don't. You don't want to see him. The less you see him, the better. Dante Moore. Less is more. But I also want to dream, Greeny, because I look at draft picks in cap space and they have, by the way, they're at $117 million in cap space after these moves. I am looking at this and saying, this is the currency of hope. This is what you hope. Now you have things that can buy you a dream. But I want to dream big. Like instead of drafting a quarterback in drafts that don't seem to have the next franchise changer, can you find somebody like other teams have gone. Baker Mayfield, what he's turned into in Tampa with Sam, what the jets did have, what he's turned into in Seattle, what we saw in Minnesota. You know, I won't say Daniel Jones yet, but we're still, we're seeing it around the league. Is there someone. What did Detroit do? They traded Stafford, but they got back Jared Goff, who was. They were. They wanted to jettison him from LA and they said no, there's still value there. There's still a player who can play there. Is there a name now I got a name that I'm dreaming about that I think is a long shot, but it's a dream. And do you have anybody in mind that if you could go shopping with all that money and a team is may think about moving on from somebody because for them it's. The timeline's not right anymore or that quarterback may want out of there. You got anybody in mind if you want to dream?

[Mike Greenberg]

I'm trying to in my head, figure out who you're thinking of. Are you thinking of Joe Burrow?

[Alan]

I am.

[Gene]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Mike Greenberg]

I mean, here's the concern you have with Burrow. Yes. Would I do that in the blink of an eye? I mean, that would be a miracle.

[Alan]

And you have all the assets to do it.

[Mike Greenberg]

Yeah, perhaps. I mean, look, Joe Burrow has had three really bad injuries.

[Alan]

Yep.

[Mike Greenberg]

In his career, he has been very poorly protected. Frankly, right now, the jets would be the best offensive line he's ever played behind. The Cincinnati Bengals have gotten him killed. I mean, have gotten him beat to shreds. And I can see where his frustration would be. And that team is obviously like a cauldron waiting to explode for a variety of reasons. You saw all the nonsense that happened last week after the Chicago game. And so, look, if they could find a way to make that happen. Burrows seems like, candidly, Burrow seems like the kind of young person, I don't know him personally, who would love the idea of coming to New York. Now, the bad side of this is that I don't think anyone right now, let's just be honest, is excited about the idea of coming to play for the jets off Woody Johnson. And I don't think anyone is excited about the idea of coming to play for Aaron Glenn. And that goes back to what I was saying before about to Don about the Giants. If the jets were too higher. Just throwing names out there now, even Cliff Kingsbury or, you know, Clint Kubiak, who was the next one in the line of all of these, you know, the Sean McVeigh, you know, coaches.

[Alan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Greenberg]

If the jets had one of those guys, if they had some offensive mastermind that everybody had high regard for, I mean, that's who Zach Taylor is. He was from the McVeigh group. Then I could see Burrow being interested. But in all honesty, Alan, I mean, look, I love you and I love him, and I would love to see it happen. But if you're Joe Burrow, why the actual heck would you say, yeah, I think I'll go to the jets next year? Like, that does not strike me as it would make any sense at all.

[Alan]

You know, it's funny. I'm trying to convince these guys of that. When we talk about the jets and the Hope and all that stuff, I keep saying that you guys are missing. The point is, like, this is not a destination like most other teams would be. And when you. When you bring up Aaron Glenn, it makes me think that New England went through this with Gerard Mayo. Right. There was a guy who was there. He played for them. It was his first opportunity to coach, and he was clearly over his head and they got out of it quick. But they had another guy who had blood in the ground, which is Mike Vrabel was a perfect fit. And, I mean, it's working out famously now up there in New England, as if they ever get it right. All the time. And I'm looking around saying, well, who would be that guy for the jets when it comes to coaching? They need to bring in, I don't know if Woody Johnson would ever do it. Bring in somebody with actually a resume who's coached before. He always wants to try to find the next. The next coordinator who's going to be, you know, the next hot guy that turns into the coach. When the problem is it's also because you probably don't want to pay him a lot of money. But go out and get the Pete Carroll, go out and get somebody with a resume who at least can get you back on track. The Tom Thibodeau of the NFL. Like that's what I'm saying. I don't know if he'll ever do it.

[Mike Greenberg]

I completely agree with you. I don't know why anyone would disagree with you. Look, Woody Johnson. We just have to be honest here, right? We just have to say what the truth of it is. The Woody Johnson is where the problems begin.

[Alan]

Thank you.

[Mike Greenberg]

There's no other way to say it. There's no point in trying to pretend otherwise. Now there are other bad owners and every once in a while bad owners wind up making good hires. And it still can work out. So Woody Johnson's presence doesn't mean the jets have no chance, but it does mean you are starting from a position of weakness. You are not starting in a place you're in a franchise that right now the jets reputation there is not a young player in the National Football League old enough to remember it. Old enough to remember the last time the jets played in a playoff game. Last time the jets played in a playoff game. My son was 9. He just graduated from college. So I mean the jets history right now, their short term history, which is all that matters in sports these days, is as bad as that of any franchise in any sport. So you're going to have a hard time convincing people with options to come here. So what I think you have to do is you have to patch lightning in a bottle. You have to guess on someone like Dan Campbell and be right. You have to guess on, you have to draft somebody and for the first time in a long time get it right. I do know that the offensive coordinator the jets have, Tanner Angstrom, is very highly thought of. I know people who think he's really good. Now, we haven't seen a whole lot of reason to be excited or practically any reason to be excited about it through eight games, but I'm not sure they don't have a good offensive mind there. They just need the right pieces, obviously for the remainder of this season. They have almost no pie pieces and so we'll see what happens. But I have a reasonable feeling that he might be a good coach, so I think you're going to. Alan, as much as I would love to do what you're talking about doing, I don't know how realistic that is. I think their best bet is to draft somebody and finally get it right.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, one last one for me. Diana Rossini just tweeted out. AFC east teams reached out to the jets about potential deals, but New York was reluctant to trade with division rivals, sources say. So would you be okay that maybe you could have gotten a second round pick with Johnson but didn't want to make the Patriots or the Bills better? Are you cool with maybe leaving something on the table?

[Mike Greenberg]

Yes. No, I'm not cool with that. I am not at all cool with that. What the hell difference does it make whether it's Buffalo or New England or Miami? Obviously there would be no reason for Miami to be trading for our players right now, but what difference does it make? You get the best piece you possibly can. I've never understood that at all. The New York jets are saying to us with their actions, the jets are telling us as the media and they're telling us as fans of the team, we're going to be bad for a while. We accept that we are a year away from being a year away. That's what today was and that's fine. We have no choice but to accept that under the circumstances, it was the right thing to do. So what the hell difference does it make if Jermaine Johnson goes to Buffalo and they win a championship or if Breece hall goes to New England and they win the championship? It makes no difference. If they could have gotten a second round pick for Jermaine Johnson or a third round pick for Breece hall, they should have done it regardless of where they were trading them.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I'm with you.

[Peter]

Quick, quick, quick, one on the way out. Just because I always love getting your thoughts on major sports moments because you're such a quintessential fan. Where did you rank Saturday night with just all time sporting events? You have no dog in the fight and you just sit back and are mesmerized. Where do you put that? World Series game 7?

[Mike Greenberg]

I thought all of it was magnificent. I mean, I thought, you know, the 18 inning game really set the tone. Like the first two games of the World Series you thought to yourself, okay, we've got a good series with two really good teams. And then the third game came along, and that obviously was the stuff of legend. And it set in motion the series of events that gave baseball, I think, in the big picture, about as good a week as it's had in a really long time, taking the teams and all the rest of it out of it. And clearly the Dodgers are as big a team as the sport has, basically, and Ohtani is by far the biggest star the sport has. So I thought it was an absolutely magnificent week for the sport from top to bottom. Saturday night was one of the best night. I mean, to your point, that was a night even if you had no horse in the race, that it was hard to breathe at times. And you don't get that in the baseball postseason all the time. That's usually something you get, you know, Don, to put it in your wheelhouse. The whole night felt like overtime hockey in a playoff game. You know, any minute now, the whole thing is going to just explode. So it was a magnificent week for baseball, and I'm thrilled for it, I think. Look, I think baseball has done a lot of things right. They are easy to criticize. They've become an easy target in the big picture, But I think they've done a lot of things right for which they get probably less credit than they deserve in the last few years. And I thought it was a. It was a great postseason, frankly, from top to bottom, and an absolutely outstanding World Series.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, we thought of you when these trades went down. Really appreciate. Give us a couple of minutes, man. Have fun. Good luck.

[Mike Greenberg]

Thank you. I'm sorry I'm all the way uptown or I would have come by the studio.

[Peter]

I would love to.

[Mike Greenberg]

You know, it would have been fun to be in again and hang out with you guys. But thanks for having me on. And for the Jet fans, what can you say? I mean, we'll just. You know, when I posted that video of that kid who walked out of the stadium that day saying, I hate this team, that kid's wearing a Quinn and Williams jersey. And get that kid a new jersey. He can't even wear the jersey anymore. If that isn't a perfect microcosm of being a fan of this team, I'm not sure what is.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, have a good one, man. Enjoy it.

[Alan]

Appreciate you, Granny.

[Mike Greenberg]

See you, fellas.

[Peter]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

Well, you're darn right it's sponsored by Better Help. And let's talk about it. Mental health.

[Alan Hahn]

Health is health.

[Peter]

Now, I know you guys both have things to get off your chest, so I'll keep it brief. I went out Sunday, and I wanted to prioritize doing it. I managed to go take in the 40th anniversary of Back to the Future in the theater. And I just here to let everyone know. Just as good as ever.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh, really?

[Alan]

In the theater?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Now, is it big screen, digitally remastered?

[Peter]

No, it has a couple of extra things that were not the original, but they're very small.

[Alan Hahn]

Like.

[Alan]

Like things that they caught that they just put back in.

[Peter]

Yeah, but, like, you're, like, searching to find. Very subtle. No. To be continued at the end because they'd yet to confirm the sequel.

[Alan]

Oh.

[Peter]

But I'll tell you, I think Don, I can't remember if I mentioned this to you.

[Alan]

So it ends with, we're going. We don't need roads.

[Peter]

But then it just ends.

[Alan]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Peter]

But you can. It's pretty clear.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

You know, that they want that.

[Alan]

Well, because he's going somewhere.

[Peter]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alan]

The next movie's about where he goes.

[Peter]

Now, I may have mentioned this to you, Don, last time I saw it, when Natalie and I saw it at the drive in during the pandemic.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay, awesome.

[Peter]

But I. It was one of our first dates. But there's one part that I just love that I never noticed as a kid, which is that when Marty shows up at. To find Doc at the end of the movie. And one of the things you notice about the movie, by the way, is that when you're in the theater watching it, it feels, you know, the Biff punch is such a big moment. And it's also so far from the end of the movie, like, that's like a climax, but there's 25 minutes where he needs to still get back. When he. Then after that gets to Doc, who's, You know. And they're unsheathing the car to do the whole thing and get him back to the future, he goes, doc, the old man did it. My dad laid out Biff with one punch. And he goes. He's never done anything like that. It's so subtle. And then Doc goes, never. And Marty goes, no. And then Doc gives this look of like, uh.

[Alan]

Oh.

[Peter]

And then you realize it's such a.

[Alan]

Little subtlety, the space time continuum.

[Peter]

It changed in that moment where Doc's worried it could go bad.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

It's what, in the end, makes Marty's dad come back as this confident, different person. Because now he's the kind of guy who, when he was pressed in a bad moment, manned up. Now Biff works for him.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Everything changed.

[Alan]

Confidence comes from demonstrated performance. That's what that was.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

And I just. If you just pay attention next time you watch it. It's such a quick little thing. They included.

[Alan]

Wow.

[Peter]

But beautifully done.

[Alan]

I like it.

[Alan Hahn]

If I didn't have a Dinner plans Friday when I was in la.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Wind up going to this great restaurant called the Perch. I don't know if you ever know what it was. 15th floor of really, really good French food. That right next to the hotel where we stayed. They were playing Back to the Future right next door. And I was like, I think I would have gone by yourself. I've never gone Jury by myself. You've never gone to the movie by yourself, but that would have. I would have done that.

[Alan]

All right.

[Peter]

And I don't mean Pee Wee Herman. I just mean regular. Go to a movie by yourself. You never done it.

[Alan Hahn]

No. And I never did the Peewee Herman.

[Peter]

Well, that's old school, baby. That's old school. Now people do the Pee Wee Herman, but they do it at home. You don't have to go to a theater.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't even call it the Pee Wee Herman.

[Peter]

It's called Tuesday.

[Alan]

Those theaters don't exist anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

Because who needs it? Why would you need to go there?

[Peter]

By the way, speaking of theaters like that in Back to the Future, I also never noticed that when he's standing in the Hill Valley town square, that there's a porno theater.

[Alan]

Yes. Yeah. In real time, in 85, it says.

[Peter]

The name of the movie that was playing on the screen again. It's big, so you see more. It says, no pun intended. It says American Orgy is the movie that's really. And then. And then when he gets back and he's like, oh, I'm so happy to be back because he's in the decrepit Hill Valley and they have the porno screen. All right, so what do you guys want to talk about?

[Alan]

Why don't you go down? Because mine has audio and it's all right.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a big deal. I didn't get a chance to talk about what happened to me on Saturday. So I'm calling the Devil's Kings game. It's the only win that they had on the road trip, which was terrible, is everybody's talking about game seven. And everybody's paying because the game's in la. So everywhere you went, Dodger hats, everybody's going court, of course. But the building was pretty full. Wasn't full. But they didn't change the time of the game. The game was 6 o', clock. Local King's Devils, and the World series was a 5. I thought maybe they changed it. They didn't change. So it's a pretty interesting building, even though. Because not everybody's a Dodger fan. Maybe they're angel fans or just not interested in baseball, whatever. But during intermissions, before the start of the game, they'd have the game on. On the jumbotron. I figured they would do that. Nobody just. I was able to follow you in the third period as the game's starting to heat up. They've got it on the Jumbotron during the game. They split the screen. So they're showing obviously what's happening on the ice, but then also showing game seven. As I'm calling the game, I've never. I've never dealt with it during the game.

[Peter]

I don't think I've ever seen that during the game.

[Alan Hahn]

So fans are reacting to things that have nothing to do with what's happening on the ice. Now the Devils are winning three nothing.

[Peter]

Who's.

[Alan Hahn]

Metco scored for the Kings. Make it three one. They get a power play. They're. They're. The Kings are buzzing, but, like, nobody's paying attention. They're watching the game, but I gotta pay attention. I'm calling the game. And all of a sudden, when Rojas hits the home run, the place, I'm telling you, explodes, like, way louder than when the King scored the goal. Like the building shaking. Fortunately, just at that moment, I'm calling a Markstrom save. So I had to elevate my voice. Otherwise, I don't know if I'd be able to hear myself talk and it was so lava. They just, they did. They hit a World series home run in the bottom of the night. The place went nuts to tie the game. And then. Alright, so the game ends and you see like the players reluctantly stalling to leave the ice cuz they're staring up at the jumbotron watching the game. And then because we're. I know if you've ever been to Crypto many times. Right. Well, we don't. I don't know where basketball called. We're not way upstairs. We're like in the mezzanine, there's a middle which is cool for hockey. That's a really good spot.

[Alan]

NBA radio is there.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. And that. That's where we do. Yeah, that's where all the. The games are called.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So I've got to leave through the concourse. Right? The concourse like a half hour after gate is still packed because they're showing the games on all the tv.

[Peter]

I've never seen anyone stay.

[Alan Hahn]

They stayed and I left and then I went into the truck and I saw the Will Smith home run. I stayed for the end of the game because we were going to go to Anaheim right after. So we didn't have a plane to catch or anything like that. It was. It was such a surreal moment. Then I find out, I don't know if you brought this up yesterday on the show, that in Canada, in Edmonton, which if you don't know the geography of Canada is not close to Toronto.

[Peter]

No.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Alan]

No, it's like Toronto. It's like Minnesota is to New York.

[Peter]

There you go. Well.

[Alan Hahn]

Like for Toronto's above Buffalo, so you get an idea of where it is in the United States. I'm saying that because I mentioned to Jacob I was flying to Toronto like a month ago and he's like, how long is that flight? Like four hours.

[Peter]

So there are.

[Alan Hahn]

People have no idea. Sure. So Edmonton is. What would you say? Like above Montana?

[Alan]

Yeah, maybe it's Montana.

[Alan Hahn]

Like so it's not close. They were showing it in Edmonton. Like Connor McDavid talked about how he was distracted during the game because he was watching.

[Peter]

Well, the Blue Jays are the national team. There's no exposure, just the Blue Jays.

[Alan]

Yeah, it is.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't. Honestly, it was so cool, so surreal. It's something I'm never going to forget. I don't know how to legal audit. Like why would the league allow that to happen? It could be distracting.

[Alan]

There's no way. Now again, Edmonton, it shouldn't matter. But in L. A, that game should have been moved.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, it probably would have been moved if the game was in L. A because I guess from a security standpoint.

[Alan]

Well, they're not. Yeah, okay, but security.

[Alan Hahn]

Right, but, but I guess with New York, New York wouldn't move. I remember big, you know, the Giants playoff games where the Knicks were playing and the Rangers were playing.

[Alan]

I mean.

[Alan Hahn]

They could have moved it. The game was at six local.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, the Devils had a five o' clock game in Anaheim the next day. So they would have benefited by making it earlier. They played it at 1 o'.

[Mike Greenberg]

Clock.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm sure the Devils would be all for it. We played in San Jose on Thursday, so we still had a day off. I don't know why they didn't do it. But this is where, you know Connor McDavid talking about game seven going on the game seven of the world Series going on in Edmonton while he's playing the game.

[Class]

That was really, really strange. Obviously we're all on the Jays bandwagon and everybody's wanting them to win and it's so disappointing, obviously, but strange. Strange to have it on during the game. Listen to the crowd was distracting for sure. I'm glad they shot it off there for the third. Yeah, it was bizarre. It was bizarre. I found myself watching the Jays game, sitting on the bench, listening to the crowd while I'm on the ice. You know what just happened? It was very strange. But you know, what historic moment couldn't be more gutted for those guys. You know, obviously we know what that feels like. It's for it to be the way it happened. You know, just completely gutted for those guys. Been a fun run and been a lot of fun. They've given Canada a lot of to cheer about and they should be very, very proud of themselves.

[Alan]

I'm curious, class, when he was In a game 72 years ago, Blue Jays would have been playing, right?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, probably.

[Alan]

I'm wondering.

[Alan Hahn]

No, because Edmonton, they don't care about Edmonton in Toronto, they care about the Maple Leafs. But the Blue Jays, that's why you talk about small market. First of all, Toronto's nothing.

[Alan]

Anybody in Canada cared, but they, the.

[Alan Hahn]

Whole country cares about the Blue Jays. Maybe not Quebec because of the whole.

[Alan]

Country cares about a Canadian franchise winning a Stanley Cup.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but I don't think they were playing, not at that level.

[Alan]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

I, I, I, I don't think so.

[Alan]

It still is something you'll never forget, right? It's one of those.

[Alan Hahn]

Are the Raptors like that too or is it not?

[Alan]

I'm trying to remember 2018 and if it was the same kind of.

[Alan Hahn]

You remember at all?

[Peter]

Well, I was in Toronto, only I have no idea whether I got.

[Alan Hahn]

I wonder if the whole country was invested in that.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

When they got that far, it's a long time. So since Vancouver had the Grizzlies, I think people have moved on.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that was my team.

[Peter]

I know. He had a moment.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Did. You knew that.

[Alan]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the. I. I figured Big Reeves guy. Listen. Yeah. Because I had him. Oh. Because I finished second in my NCAA pool when Oklahoma State made the run and he was on the team. They lost in the final. And so they. So the Grizzlies draft them. I'm like, I needed NBA team. The Nets aren't doing it for me. It's Canadian. No. I sleep right till noon. I'll make it my team. I'll stay up late watching the Grizzlies. It lasted for maybe the first month of the season.

[Alan]

You had done.

[Alan Hahn]

Because I'm just not a basketball guy.

[Alan]

It was bad basketball.

[Peter]

That's not a great way to get into basketball.

[Alan]

They were bad to begin with. Can we have a debate as we talk about it?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes. It's your turn.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

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[Alan]

About it is something that, like, I think you guys have discussed, I think once or twice on the previous show. It is something that comes up a lot, and it came up last night or no. Came up Sunday night. Mike Breen and I were doing the call on MSG. The Knicks were playing the Bulls. The Knicks went 22 for 22 at the free throw line.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan]

And at one point in the game, Mike told the audience what was happening. And this is what it turned into, this conversation.

[Alan Hahn]

I know I'm going to take abuse, but the Knicks are perfect from the free throw line. Right now they're 14 for 14.

[Mike Greenberg]

But that's my job.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm supposed to say what they're shooting from the free throw.

[Alan]

I don't believe in the broadcaster.

[Alan Hahn]

J. I don't either.

[Alan]

My wife does, though. She gets very upset. So the next free throw is made. Town says.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it.

[Alan]

And you know, because he said it.

[Alan Hahn]

And if it was going to be.

[Alan]

A miss, if he missed that free throw, forget it. Right. So. And yes, Stephanie always believes in it. Anytime an announcer says something as they're watching a game, she will get so mad because she believes in it. She thinks it's a real thing that you just. You don't talk about. You don't say it. I think it's insane because if anyone had that much power, like, first of all, you're not paying us nearly enough money.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Alan]

If we have that much control over a game. But how do we feel about this idea of. So you could say you don't believe in jinxes. And I know, but when you're sitting with friends and you're watching again, I felt like I was sitting and watching a game with a friend as I do a broadcast with the hall of Famer, and Mike says what he says, when you're with a friend and you're not on the air, do you look and go, why would you say that? Like, it's like, so it's your favorite. It has to be your favorite team. You know, Jaden Daniels is. He's made 15 straight throws. Peter.

[Peter]

Yeah, I.

[Alan]

You'd be like, why would.

[Peter]

Unfortunately, it was Sam Darnold who had that experience.

[Alan]

You're like, why would he do that? Right? Like, Don.

[Peter]

Like, it's the kick. To me, it's more like right before a big kick.

[Alan]

The Devils have killed off 17 straight penalty kills.

[Alan Hahn]

I said it.

[Alan]

Yeah. Like, they.

[Alan Hahn]

They. At one point, I think they killed off, what, like 22. You got it now, I could let the graphic tell the story, but I did it.

[Alan]

That's different. You know, you're working. I'm talking about casually. This is our listeners who are following along with us talk about it. If you're just chilling Watching a game on the couch, friends, whatever it is, and someone just says it, you know, I think that's like seven in a row.

[Alan Hahn]

Does everybody go, Yep, they all do it.

[Alan]

So do we all react that way or do. We don't care?

[Alan Hahn]

I think most people react to it, especially if the next pass is incomplete or the next shot is missed.

[Alan]

And why is that, you think?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, because you're calling attention to just. It's superstition. It just, it's normal. Like, don't bring it up. Like there's certain things you don't want out there, right? That you're, that you're not just gonna. Not just in sports, but like in everyday life. Like she's, you know, I haven't had the flu in three years. But you wouldn't say that out loud because you'd feel like, all right, well, now, like, it's stupid. But I think we all live with that, right? But to ask your announcer to play that game.

[Peter]

Now we're still. Now we're in.

[Alan Hahn]

Yo.

[Peter]

Yo.

[Alan Hahn]

Because Mike, Mike Brain said it's his job. He wants to inform people. Now it's tv, so I guess technically you can show the graphic or just.

[Alan]

Wait till he makes both free throws. But he said it after the first one, knowing there was a second one coming.

[Alan Hahn]

Michael always brought this up with the no hitter. Yeah, like, but you got. But you want to get people that are flipping around going, oh, the Yankees are in a no hitter. What, you're not going to tell anybody?

[Alan]

No, I agree.

[Alan Hahn]

That's stupid.

[Alan]

Again, I agree.

[Alan Hahn]

You can't do it and don't see the reason people get on in baseball. It's a thing. Don't talk to a pitcher during a no hitter. That's what it is. Nobody said anything about. Don't bring it up. Fans can't talk about it. Announcers can't talk about it. That's not a thing. The only thing. And not that it's really a thing, but they made it a thing. Don't talk to a pitcher during a.

[Alan]

No hitter because it gets in your head thinking about it. Right? That's where that started. It started from there. Don't put it in my head. I don't want to think about it. But if you have no control over the game or the outcome, why is it that we react this way?

[Alan Hahn]

Quick story. I know we're up against it. So I'm in high school, Don Bosco Tech. We're playing in Hinchcliffe Stadium, which is a famous stadium in patters, but they made it into a football stadium. So playing. It was almost playing like the polo grounds. So at a short right field instead of left field.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And like the football lines are there was really difficult to play. John Serrato is the pitcher for Don Bosco Tech. He's got no hitter, but there was no scoreboard. There's no. I didn't know he had a no hitter bomb. To me in right field, I've got to like literally go up the stairs because again, it's like a football field to lean over to catch the ball. I make the catch, game's over. I'm like, that's a pretty nice catch. I'm jogging back to the thinking, people are going to swarm me. They're swarming him. I'm like, why are they jumping all over him? I made the catch. Then they come over to me, they're high five. I saved the no hitter. Like. But if I knew that was a no hitter.

[Peter]

You took away a home run to save a no hitter.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Peter]

I mean I was right. But you don't see a lot of home but you're taking away in high school baseball.

[Alan Hahn]

But here's the thing. If I knew it was a no hitter, would it have been in my head? Would I been able to make the play or would I been all nervous, my knees knock and thinking I got to make this catch.

[Peter]

Well, because otherwise. Otherwise the game wasn't on the line. It wasn't like a super close game.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it was just a nice catch.

[Peter]

Got it right.

[Alan Hahn]

So I thought they'd be celebrating with me that I made a nice catch, which they eventually did when I got there. But like, why would you mob the pitcher? You almost gave a home run.

[Peter]

I'm the hero.

[Alan Hahn]

So I eventually did get the hero's welcome when I got back to the infield because I made the cat. But if I knew that was a no hitter, my knees might have been knocked. I might have dropped the ball.

[Peter]

You know what I learned about by the way, that's going to do it for better for. Let's talk about it. Sponsored by BetterHelp. Sure. BetterHelp.com timeout for 10% off your first month. I just learned that Don plays high level high school baseball from a lot.

[Alan Hahn]

I was. I'm pretty proud of that. Yeah.

[Peter]

Let's continue it on the other side.

[Alan]

Stairs to get it to get out.

[Peter]

Wow.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Alan Hahn]

We like to have Bart Scott coming up at the top of the hour. Talk about what happened with the jets today. Let's go back to the phones, talk to Gene in Jersey City. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Gene?

[Gene]

Hey, what's going on, guys?

[Alan Hahn]

It's all going on, buddy. How are you?

[Gene]

I'm good, man.

[Mike Greenberg]

I got issue with something you said.

[Gene]

Earlier in regard to the jets and how we should just keep going with them regardless of what. Like, because I feel like if the regime like going to the season, I had more faith than I did now. But the general manager, I feel like we're kind of this following him and he got all these picks to pick from, right? You don't know how it's gonna pan out. Like this guy, this guy brought in the quarterback who's not any good. There's no wide receiver depth. The old. I mean, the D line is. There's no depth there. So it's pretty much like we're going there with a new guy and it's pretty. Like it's pretty daunting. Like, I feel like we're copying the Nets. Like we brought in a veteran, like say Kevin. Kevin Durant. Same thing. We got all those picks. None of them are any good.

[Alan Hahn]

Remember, he's trying to clean up the mess that was left him. Right? So. And he needs a quarterback now. He knew he couldn't get a quarterback last year. They weren't drafting high enough because they had five wins. So now you got to go out and you got to get picks. You got to give yourself options. What are you supposed to do?

[Gene]

He gave softer money.

[Mike Greenberg]

And then let me ask you this.

[Alan Hahn]

If they didn't give Sauce the money, do you think they would have gotten two first round picks for him? They got two first round picks for him because he's under contract. And now Indianapolis traded for somebody that they have this year and next year and for the foreseeable future. That's why they gave up two first round picks. So it was good they gave him.

[Gene]

The D. Milner is all I'm saying, man. I don't want D. Milner and Quentin Copels again, man.

[Alan]

That's what you worry about.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm saying.

[Alan]

Ptsd.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I'm saying is if you believe they're going to screw it up, why do you root for the team? You've got to get out from under. You've had this talent, you haven't won with it.

[Gene]

They haven't shown us Nothing, though, this year or any years to give them that blind faith.

[Alan Hahn]

This is his first year. He's had. He's had the draft, right? And now he's got. This is his first off season, or I guess, second off season with the team. It's a new regime. If Joe Douglas did this, Gene, I can understand you going, why do I have faith in him? He picked Zach Wilson, all right? He has a one. Muji's got a chance here to put his imprint on this team. Now, it may not work. It never seems to work for the jets, but at some point, it's got to. Maybe this is the time. But if you're going to have zero faith in anything that they do, then why do you bother? I understand it's hope, but what else you got? You're 1 in 7 football team.

[Alan]

I think what you're. You're confusing is. It's like it's not giving up. It's. You have a hard time believing. You have a lack of faith.

[Alan Hahn]

But why?

[Alan]

What do you mean, why? Because of the. The track record, all right?

[Alan Hahn]

But the track record changes when you bring in different people.

[Alan]

No, it doesn't.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, then if it. Then what are you doing? No, I'm really asking, what are you doing?

[Alan]

I'm trying to explain it to you, all right? The track record never changes, okay? New people come in, and the same things continue to happen.

[Alan Hahn]

And you're a dope, so.

[Alan]

No, you're not a dope.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes, you are.

[Alan]

No, you are. You have every good reason to be skeptical, and that's what you are right now. When you are a Jets fan, you are skeptical because you're waiting to see is, are we ever going to get somebody that gets it right? But because the past three regimes since Mike, 10 of them, have gotten it wrong, you are skeptical that this one's going to go, right? So you sit back and you go, I'm not getting my hopes up. I'm not going to fall for the banana tailpipe, but I am going to watch and see what happens.

[Peter]

Well, that's what I want.

[Alan]

That's what a fan does.

[Alan Hahn]

But you still got to take the shot.

[Peter]

What else would they. I just don't get if you're. If you're like, oh, I'm nervous about it. I don't know what this moji is going to do, but would you have been happier if they didn't do anything? You go, oh, let's hold on to Quinn.

[Alan]

And Williams has nothing. One Greenie said it, too. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Peter]

Right. So they're just.

[Alan]

This was. And I said from the very top today was the obvious thing to do. It's the easiest thing to do. You move into a house. It's from the, it was built in the 40s. Right. It's, it's, it's a. Beyond repair. So you tear it down. That's what you do. That's the easy part. The hard part now is building it back up and making it safe, secure and strong.

[Peter]

Of course.

[Alan]

And the problem is in the past when they have tried to renovate, but they have another, you gotta tear it down. And that's what had to be done today.

[Peter]

I agree with the sentiment about the hard part is the draft, but can.

[Alan]

You at least end free agency? Of course, you got $117 million to spend. But.

[Peter]

But I just. What I'm trying not to do is completely skip past Allen. Sort of act like it was a foregone conclusion that today was going to end with three first round picks. I think that's still something to go.

[Alan]

No, I keep going.

[Peter]

That's the easy part. But that's not. Alan, shake your head if you want. You've said it over and over again. That's a good.

[Alan]

Because when you are being offered like when you have players and you put them on the market and you get two first for a corner. Yeah, I'm taking that. That's easy. They didn't, they didn't ask or they didn't negotiate. They didn't beg. They had an asking price and someone met it because they would have moved Breece if they would have gotten a second. They would have moved Jermaine Johnson if they would have gotten it. Or I'm sorry, a second for Jermaine Johnson, a third for Breece.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Alan]

But they didn't get that. So asking prices were put and some were met and that's a no brainer. Of course you do it. That takes no skill. I could have done that. But now is the hard part.

[Peter]

Building from here. I feel like today could have easily ended with those players gone and that what they would have had was something else. Not nearly as exciting. And we're treating it as nothing. They got a nice Peter.

[Mike Greenberg]

I got a great home.

[Alan Hahn]

I think you're kind of underrating the job that he did because if he doesn't give Sauce a contract, which was certainly up in the air because I disagree with.

[Peter]

You can't get that, then you can't get the two first rounders.

[Alan Hahn]

I do think part of the reason they gave Sauce the contract was, hey, either he's going to be great for us or at least we can move him if he's under contract. That's a good move, right? Because for me, just showing what I know, I wouldn't give Sauce the contract. I'm like, show me sauce. And you haven't been good the last.

[Peter]

Couple of weeks and guess what? You would have gotten a fifth round.

[Alan Hahn]

Or two and then, yeah, and I would have gotten something not way less than this. And that's why I think that you got to give a little bit more credit to what they've done. Eventually they got an opportunity to take a shot and we'll see if he drains the shot. But it seems like some of these callers are like, don't even bother taking a shot because we know you're going to miss. Yeah. If that's the case, then what are.

[Peter]

You bothered at then? Just lean.

[Alan]

That's what they've been through.

[Peter]

Now. Would I bet on them to do well next year? I don't know. But if I was going to bet, tell you where I do it.

[Alan]

Where'd you go?

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan]

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[Don Hahn]

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