Hour 2: Helsley Struggles & Lists

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Helsley Struggles & Lists

Date: September 3, 2025
Podcast Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Network: ESPN New York

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Episode Overview

Hour 2 of today's episode brings the classic Don, Hahn & Rosenberg blend: fiery sports takes, classic New York lamenting, tongue-in-cheek banter, and their signature forays into “lists.” The guys dive deep into the latest Mets bullpen woes—especially Ryan Helsley’s struggles, what to do with Kodai Senga, and broad issues with the Mets’ pitching. Later, the trio lightens the mood, riffing on the most iconic football movies of all time, and the all-important "Gentlemen’s Club (Stripper) Anthems" list.

The hour is packed with sharp sports analysis, big laughs, and plenty of memorable moments in true DHR style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Yankees & Mets – Recap & Pitching Analysis

• Yankees & Astros:

  • Yankees get a win in Houston despite some odd choices (bunt debates, questionable execution, pitchers’ health).
  • Max Fried’s performance is dissected, with kudos even though he struggled physically:
    • “Freed was fantastic…he was nauseous…he was making the Astros hitters look sick.” (Alan, 02:15)
    • Noted improved ERA (0.90 over last 3 starts).

• Mets’ Lethargic Game & Bullpen Disaster:

  • Mets lose to the Tigers, failing to sweep due largely to an implosive bullpen outing:
    • “It’s just the way that it is, right? Bullpen gives it up again. I don’t know how you pitch Helsley…” (Rosenberg, 04:30)
    • Helsley’s disastrous line: two-thirds of an inning, three hits, three runs (all earned), one walk—a critical three-run homer given up.

• Worries About Kodai Senga:

  • Mets seem poised to send Senga down to the minors to fix mechanical woes.
  • Alan: “He’s worthless out of the bullpen…He can’t start anymore, Peter. I can’t.” (Rosenberg, 07:46)
  • Discussion around potential rotation shifts for the upcoming games.
  • Holmes also cited as likely destined for the bullpen due to lack of longevity.

• Media & Fan Pressure in New York:

  • Explores the psychological weight of being a closer in NYC:
    • "Now the questions become: Can he [Helsley] handle New York?" (Rosenberg, 19:32)
    • Alan suggests Mets pressure isn’t as intense as Yankees, but scrutiny is still real.

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Meticulous Mets Meltdown: Analyzing Helsley's Collapse

• Troubling Stats:

  • Alan: “His ERA with the Mets…over 11.45. 14 earned runs in 11 innings. With the Cardinals? 12 earned runs in 36 innings.” (Alan, 18:42)
  • Further presses the “New York Effect” debate—do certain players just not have the stomach for NYC?

• Don’s Take:

  • Offers real-world examples of New York media/fan intensity.
    • Tells story of ex-Mets GM Steve Phillips receiving death threats and public harassment during bad streaks. (Rosenberg, 23:20)
  • Concludes, “I’m not proud of it…In St. Louis, when they’re mad, they just don’t go [to the games]. Here, they’ll go and they’ll scream.” (Rosenberg, 24:03)

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Classic DHR Banter: Chainsaws, Masculinity & DIY

• Tree Removal & Suburban Tools:
  • Spirited, hilarious debate over who’s ever used a chainsaw. Alan shocks the others by owning two chainsaws (“What are you, Leatherface?” – Peter, 11:46).
  • Don shares near-death “timber” story from his youth. (“We’re very, very fortunate to be alive.” – Rosenberg, 11:39)
  • Musings on the satisfaction of manual labor: “If you’re covered in that kind of sawdust—you can’t get it off. But it feels so good.” (Alan, 12:35)
  • Classic DHR: blending sports talk with blue-collar suburban rites of passage.

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List Time! – The Legendary DHR Top 5 Segments

[26:05] Don’s All-Time Top 5 Football Movies

• List Format: Peter and Alan try to guess, Don confirms.

• Final List:

  1. Rudy
     • “It’s inspirational… The football—it’s quality!” (Alan, 28:00)
  2. Brian’s Song
     • “TV movie, so it takes a bit of a hit…but it’s good.” (Rosenberg, 27:14)
  3. Varsity Blues
     • “Old school...great movie. I don’t want your life.” (Alan, 29:15)
  4. The Longest Yard (Original)
     • “Original Longest Yard. The remake’s not bad, but the original is a classic.” (Rosenberg, 32:27)
  5. Draft Day
     • “I love that. And I understand it’s controversial…but known for his sports movies, Kevin Costner.” (Alan, 35:31)

• Honorable Mentions: Any Given Sunday, North Dallas Forty, All the Right Moves, Wildcats, Best of Times, Heaven Can Wait, Remember the Titans, We Are Marshall.

• Memorable Quotes:

  • “Remember the Titans? Now that we know the truth, that movie no longer holds water.” (Alan, 31:20)
  • “Any Given Sunday—people pan that movie, I get it, but it’s still really cool.” (Rosenberg, 30:54)

[38:01] Alan’s Top 5 “Gentlemen’s Club (Stripper) Songs”

(Motivated by Def Leppard Hysteria anniversary)

1. [39:10] “You Shook Me All Night Long” – AC/DC
2. [39:47] “Closer” – Nine Inch Nails
3. [40:29] “Cherry Pie” – Warrant
   • “They wrote this for that in mind—for the club.” (Rosenberg, 40:44)
4. [40:58] “Pour Some Sugar on Me” – Def Leppard
   • “This comes on and you know, it’s just getting started.” (Alan, 41:04)
5. [41:52] “Girls, Girls, Girls” – Motley Crüe
   • “A song that was literally not just made for the club, but made about the club.” (Alan, 41:39)

• Honorable Mentions: Lenny Kravitz “American Woman”, Poison, Whitesnake.
• Classic DHR Banter: Outlandish jokes and mockery about Alan’s suburban “Leatherface” persona; discussion about the LA glam scene and music videos as formative experiences.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “What do you need two chainsaws for?” (Peter, 11:53)
• “He’s Leatherface. Allen Leatherface.” (Rosenberg, 11:47)
• "Pour Some Sugar On Me...this comes on and you know, it's still early in the night, but it's just getting started." (Alan, 41:04)
• “They did for Southern accents what The Departed did for Boston.” (Alan, 29:55)
• “You can’t rule out the possibility that maybe he just doesn’t have the stomach to play where there’s gonna be a lot of scrutiny.” (Rosenberg, 23:20)
• “Now the list is Draft Day, Varsity Blues, Longest Yard, Brian’s Song and Rudy…You don’t have Any Given Sunday, North Dallas Forty, All the Right Moves, Wildcats, or The Best of Times.” (Alan, 36:16)
• “We’re very, very fortunate to be alive.” (Rosenberg, 11:39)
• “It was way too erotic for what we were talking about.” (Rosenberg about Alan’s sawdust description, 13:40)
• “City dweller. One day…maybe go upstate and get a place that’s on the mainland, so at least we have one home that’s not on an island.” (Peter, on prepping for global unrest, 15:56)

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Timestamps of Core Segments

• 01:00: Yankees & Mets recaps, Fried’s gutsy pitching
• 04:30: Mets bullpen collapse; Helsley’s blow-up
• 07:08: Senga’s demotion debate
• 10:52: Chainsaw, DIY, suburban banter
• 18:42: Helsley’s dire Mets numbers and New York pressure debate
• 26:05: Football Movie List segment begins
• 27:05 – 36:25: Football movie list reveals & debates
• 38:01 – 44:03: Alan’s strip-club anthem list; music, nostalgia, banter

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Tone & Personality

• Full of sarcasm, New Yorker honesty, and good-natured ribbing
• Seamless mixing of sports with personal stories and pop culture
• Always keeping it fun, accessible, but with sharp sports insight

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This hour is a quintessential DHR experience: hardcore Mets/Yankees reporting (Helsley’s collapse, coach/media pressure, and pitching puzzles) paired with unfiltered, hilarious detours (chainsaws, masculinity, and iconic club rock). The list segments—Don’s top football movies (with fierce debate and sharp NYC takes) and Alan’s tongue-in-cheek strip club anthems—bring variety and laughs, with tons of music and movie hot takes to incite arguments at your next tailgate.

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Recommended for: New York sports obsessives, movie/rock fans, and anyone who loves irreverent, thoughtful radio that’s as likely to break down a bullpen as it is to break down Def Leppard’s “Pour Some Sugar On Me.”

Transcript

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Alan]

I like when he holds it.

[Rosenberg]

Tigers beat the Mets 6 to 2 this afternoon. So the Mets have to settle, taking two out of three against the Tigers while the Yankees will continue their series in Houston versus the Astros at 8:10. Telemore due. The original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish Whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemore due or try the new Telemore Due, honey, during today's action. Enjoy Telemore due responsibly. So the Yankees beat the Astros. And yeah, it was kind of. Griffin brought it up like, you know, bunting the first bun. I didn't have a problem. I know Michael destroyed it today when I was driving. He's like, why would you bunt first and second?

[Alan]

Well, he went the wrong way because you're right. You don't want to bunt towards third when there's a runner on second. But he should have bunted the first right.

[Rosenberg]

It was poorly executed, but it's two nothing. It's early in the game. You want to move the runners in the scoring position. I understand the batter's over 300. I understand that Freed is a really good defender. I wouldn't do it, but I'm not going to kill him. But, you know, in. What was it in the sixth or seventh inning? You're down 6:1. I mean, what are you doing to me? Whenever I see that, that's telling me I just want to get all. I can't make. I can't get a hit here. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna fake it and sacrifice so I don't look embarrassed. Like, that's what I look at.

[Alan]

So we saw Volpe do that a couple of years back to Soto did it.

[Rosenberg]

Remember Soto when he was struggling? He did it too.

[Alan]

Sorry. Taking punts. Right. But yeah, the it's funny. The Astros really didn't look like themselves, and it looked like they were trying to get the Yankees to make mistakes. And those are the types of ways you get him to make mistakes. Freed was fantastic. Even when he was struggling. He lost control of the sweeper for, like, a couple of pitches. He ended up hitting someone. But I thought overall, though, and he said he was physically ill throughout the game. He was nauseous, which is. Which is odd because he was making the. The Astros hitter. Hitters look sick. He was really, really good. And by the way, don't look now, but remember when he was struggling for a bit and we were worried about the innings count and whether the fact that he was. Was it fatigue that he was dealing with, that he's getting this deep into the season. So his last four appearances, his last time. So one of them was the one nothing loss, no decision, but he's won the other three. But his numbers are actually fantastic. If you just look at his last three starts, two. And, oh, his ERA is 0.90. 18 strikeouts to eight walks, two earned runs total. That's pretty good stuff. And he's averaging. He's getting into the sixth inning. He's not getting to the seventh, but he is averaging into the sixth inning in these. In these outings. So that's showing me that whatever it is that he had lost for a little while there, he's getting it back. He's pitching like an ace.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. And that's what you want. So they, you know, this gauntlet, as they call it, of these 12 games, the Yankees get a win, and that's good, but you got to win. Yeah, that's the thing, is there are certain pitchers. You got to win. Freed's on the mound. You have to win. So we'll see what they do the rest of the series and then this weekend against Toronto. I still stand by the fact that the games against Toronto and Boston are more meaningful because they're worth two, because they're in the division. Um, but let's not forget, Red Sox won last night. Blue Jays won last night. So the had to get the win to kind of keep pace with everybody else. So we'll see what happens tonight. On the Met side of things, they lose. Okay. They took two out of three. Just want to win series, but kind of a lethargic day altogether. Holmes doesn't make into the fifth inning again. Four and two thirds, three hits, five runs, two of them earned.

[Alan]

You're not getting walk three.

[Rosenberg]

That's just the way that it Is right. Bullpen gives it up again. I don't know how you pitch, Helse. I mean, you had Soto come in. He gives up a couple of hits, and then Helsley comes in in two thirds of an inning. Three hits, three runs, all learned. Walked one. Did have a couple of strikeouts, but he gives up a home run, the big three run home run that broke the game open. This is a three. Two came. He came into. Yeah, and then it gets, you know, busted all open.

[Alan]

He put himself in a bad spot right out of the gate because he gives up the leadoff single and then he. Then he walks Gleyber Torres. So now you got two on and he's trying to be aggressive against Kerry Carpenter and he takes him deep and all of a sudden the game's over in a blink. It's three, two. Like if you're Mendoza and you're looking at an opportunity that they had to get a sweep, right. And to keep it, keep it rolling. Now, obviously, because they had been. I mean, they've been mashing the baseball lately, they weren't going to get to 10 runs in this game. It's clear. It's three, two. All right, so this is a game where you're a little more under control. I don't know how you're putting gunpowder on the mound right now, but what do you guys literally like? Honestly, he's a powder keg. You don't get him right when it's a one run game in the seventh. You get him right when you give him a little bit of a cushion to come into a game. That was a dangerous decision by Mendoza.

[Rosenberg]

But what are you supposed to do? You can't hide a relief pitcher.

[Alan]

Well, you're not hiding him. You just don't use. Don't use him.

[Rosenberg]

Don't use them. But again, you're four and two thirds. So, you know, you got to go deep into the bullpen. McLean was great last night, but he only gave you six, so you had to get nine outs out of your bullpen. You do have a day off. But they thought they cleared it up, right? They thought it was because he was tipping pitches.

[Alan]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

All right, well, maybe it's not tipping now. Maybe he just doesn't have it. It's ridiculous. He's a. He's. He's throwing, you know, gasoline on a fire right now. It's really pretty embarrassing.

[Peter]

How long do you. Do you wait to get super aggressive with all the kids?

[Rosenberg]

I mean, it feels like every Interesting you bring that up because the other topic of Conversation with the Mets is that they laid out their rotation for the Cincinnati series coming up.

[Peter]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

And they've got a four and a half. It's four and a half now, game lead. All right, so Peterson is going to start on Friday. On Saturday, they're going to go with Tong, makes his second appearance. And Sunday is going to be the opportunity. They say it's tbd, but it looks like it's. It's going to be because McClain pitched. Yes, Tuesday. So McClain's going to pitch again on Sunday. No, Senger. That's Senga's day. And they. The talk from the Mets is that they're thinking of sending him down to the minors. Now they've got to get his permission.

[Alan]

That's wild.

[Rosenberg]

So he can decide to say, no, I'm not going anywhere. I think he's worthless out of the bullpen. First of all, his legs aren't great. So the whole up and down stuff. And then also he's not great in the first inning. So if it takes him a while to kind of get going and lately he hasn't been able to get going at all, I don't understand how he's going to be held in the bullpen at all. And what do the Mets do if he doesn't go to the minors because they're trying to fix something? Does he. Is he the bigger guy? And just say, you know what, we got to get this fixed. The games are too important. We can't do it in the big leagues. I'm going to go. I'm going to go down. But what if he says no?

[Peter]

What are you going to do? So then the roster spot is just wasted.

[Rosenberg]

Well, obviously you put him in the bullpen, but he's not going to be good at the bullpen. And I can't start him anymore, Peter. I can't. Sproat's going to come up at some point and you're going to have your rotation. I just cannot have Kodai Senga pitch for the Mets anymore unless he goes someplace and fixes whatever's wrong. So the games are too important.

[Peter]

The hope would be Sprout is in the rotation as well.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Because then if you, if you, if you sent Senga down, I guess your rotation would then be. You got McLean, Tong, Spielson, Peterson and Maniah. And then in Holmes, I think eventually is going to have to go to the bullpen too.

[Alan]

I agree.

[Rosenberg]

Because he's not giving any. He's not giving any length.

[Alan]

And in the playoffs you're going to need a guy that can give you three to four innings straight because you might have a game where a starter early doesn't have it. And in the playoffs, you don't wait. Like, if a guy doesn't have it, you know, let's see if you can work it out. No, now.

[Peter]

Or you risk. If you don't have someone who can give you some innings, you risk one of those grueling games in the middle of a series where now you've thrown off your whole rotation.

[Alan]

Or you tax your bullpen because you got to use a guy every time.

[Rosenberg]

McGill's supposed to come back.

[Alan]

Really?

[Peter]

Tyler.

[Rosenberg]

Tyler McGill's supposed to come back. I'd like to see him come out of the pen, but we'll see what they decide to do with Spro.

[Peter]

I believe that name is an error.

[Alan]

On the birth certificate by Lower.

[Peter]

Yeah, someone made a mistake.

[Rosenberg]

They.

[Peter]

Someone spelled Tyler wrong. Oh, Tyler. T, Y, L, O, R. And now this kid has been Tyler.

[Alan]

You know, it's like the bar's name is ty lower.

[Peter]

Tyler McGill, and they went off.

[Alan]

Is it Tyler? That's right. Ty Lower.

[Peter]

That's what we call it. And because. Because why? You've never met a Tyler in your life.

[Rosenberg]

I know. I can't say that I have.

[Peter]

Ty Cobb. Ty. Ris is an atrocity also, which is.

[Alan]

Why he went with Ty.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

You know, but I don't know, you know, back.

[Rosenberg]

What was he born in, like, 1899? I mean, Tyler McGill. No, no. Tyrus just might have been. Again, they were named horace. We had 12 of them died. They probably didn't put a lot of effort in naming the kids because they weren't sure they were going to be on the Earth that long.

[Peter]

Right. It's all a complete.

[Rosenberg]

Don't name them. Don't have too many letters because they. Because the tombstone charge costs money.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

We already have so many tombstones, so we got. We got Ma, Pa, Paw.

[Rosenberg]

Paw.

[Alan]

Paw.

[Rosenberg]

Paw Paw.

[Alan]

By the way, family's so poor, they just name their kids numbers.

[Peter]

Yeah, we're 38. We're gonna be dead in a year also, you know, we'll be dead by 40, so we got to have that set up.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Get it all set up.

[Peter]

There's a lot of tombstones you got.

[Rosenberg]

To have, like, they. Actually, I think. I think there were times back in the. In the 1800s where the. Where the. They probably did them both. They had the birth certificate and the death certificate right next to each other.

[Alan]

So because you never knew, you might.

[Rosenberg]

Just keep them in the Same drawer.

[Alan]

Hang on.

[Peter]

You flip the stick, flip it over.

[Rosenberg]

I love that. That would be great. See? Saves paper. Not that they were caring about saving trees back then.

[Peter]

Well, how are they even making paper?

[Rosenberg]

You remember, they would. They would take a whole tree down, make a toothpick. They didn't care.

[Peter]

But someone figured out how to turn trees into paper, by the way. That's impressive.

[Rosenberg]

Just at some point saying, I want to write something down.

[Peter]

How do you do that, though?

[Alan]

You ever take a tree down?

[Peter]

Have I ever taken a tree down?

[Alan]

Have you ever yourself taken a tree down?

[Peter]

Not even close.

[Alan]

What you've Don. You had.

[Rosenberg]

I have.

[Alan]

You've never handled a chainsaw in your life.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, I, I. There is something very masculine.

[Peter]

Sure.

[Rosenberg]

But you've done that about taking a tree.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Matter of fact, I was at my buddy's house. He. He. He pulled down. He got his tree down.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And I guess he miscalculated where it was going to land. Now it's on top of his garage.

[Peter]

Great.

[Rosenberg]

So, God, he flung a video of this. And me and him, we should have. This is about 20 years ago. Are pulling the rope to get the tree, not realizing that once this. Once the momentum and this tree starts coming off the. It's coming down, it's gonna fall on us.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

So we're pulling. We're pulling in here come timber. And we're, like, driving out of the way because, listen, we're very, very fortunate to be alive.

[Peter]

Alan, you have a chainsaw?

[Alan]

Well, I have two of them.

[Peter]

No, wait, two.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Serial killer.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

What are you with Leatherface?

[Peter]

He's Leatherface. Allen Leatherface.

[Alan]

I have two shades.

[Rosenberg]

No, but why would he have. Why would you have two.

[Peter]

What do you need, two chainsaws?

[Alan]

One is a pruning saw way up high. You have to have the extender on it.

[Rosenberg]

Well, then that's.

[Alan]

But it's. It's a chain.

[Rosenberg]

What are you.

[Peter]

What are you using?

[Rosenberg]

What are you.

[Alan]

Pruning dead tree branches that could fall and hurt people.

[Peter]

Got it. So you have that many trees in your yard. Can you imagine what's going on?

[Alan]

You live by a preserve, so there's lots of trees.

[Peter]

And, and you're. How often are you taking out the old chainsaw?

[Alan]

In the fall, usually.

[Peter]

What about the big. The big one, though? That.

[Alan]

Oh, well, after a storm, some that might start to, like, go over or whatever like that, you got to take them down. You got to finish it. And the last storage firewood sometimes. But they. It's hard to really dry them out. You got to. You got to really dry them out to use them as firewood. So. But no, it. It's what you'll learn, though, is sometimes when a tree.

[Peter]

I will not learn this.

[Alan]

You should buy. If you're covered in that kind of sawdust. Yeah, it's. You can't get it off. I feel so good. No, it's something about it.

[Rosenberg]

It is pretty cool.

[Alan]

Something when that. When you start and you just start taking that tree down or you're cutting them. Cutting up the tree once it's down and it's just all over you. Smells good. Because it's like that fresh tree wood you.

[Rosenberg]

You nailed Alan a few weeks ago.

[Peter]

Excuse me.

[Alan]

You did?

[Peter]

Well, you didn't even notice. It wasn't that good. You're. You're.

[Alan]

You're.

[Rosenberg]

You're certifiable. You are very, very quiet. You're very quiet.

[Peter]

He's, by the way, new nickname is Leatherface Love. This man is out here chainsawing. How do you know?

[Alan]

I'm just saying. Oh.

[Peter]

Oh, I'm wrong.

[Rosenberg]

Before I started working with him, he would be the least likely to kill somebody. Now he's wiping out Steve Hart.

[Alan]

Am I moving up the chart?

[Peter]

Steve Hart. He's tied with Steve Hart. Yeah, he's right there.

[Rosenberg]

The next guy that's going to come in is to take care of chainsaws. Apparently.

[Peter]

Apparently.

[Alan]

You're saying that. That.

[Peter]

No, it's the way you described. Really?

[Rosenberg]

It was.

[Peter]

You feel that sawdust coming all over you.

[Rosenberg]

It was real. It was. It was way too erotic for what.

[Peter]

We were talking about. Yeah, I didn't expect.

[Alan]

Well, I was trying to get to how. How you get the paper.

[Peter]

So. Yeah, so.

[Alan]

Because. Because when a tree, sometimes when it snaps, when it cracks.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Alan]

You'll get like a really thin piece of. Of the. The tree wood, like the middle of it.

[Peter]

And it's almost paper, like.

[Alan]

And it's almost paper, like. And you could see how that became parchment paper, which then became like, somehow they figured out what to do with it from there. But legit. Like, if you go back 500 years, you can look at that and go, yeah, I can write on that.

[Peter]

Basic technology all amazes me. The oldest stuff, cameras. Can't conceive of it. It's impossible for me how they came up records. You take the sound, you record it.

[Alan]

Sure.

[Peter]

And you slap it on the thing, and then when you take a needle to it, it projects the sound.

[Alan]

Insane, what you're doing right now.

[Peter]

Insane.

[Alan]

Alexander Graham Bell.

[Peter]

The man deserves all the Credit Agb if you're there.

[Rosenberg]

Not abt.

[Peter]

He's not on the ir.

[Rosenberg]

Like the Salem witch trials, you kind of understand, like, when wacky things happen back, they, like, magic's on the table. So when the person's like, listen, I just took your picture. Look insane, and you see some witcher, you'll be like, how did you do? Are you some kind of demon? Like, what's going on?

[Peter]

A picture.

[Rosenberg]

And then they explain to you how they did it technically, and it's completely over your head.

[Peter]

It makes no sense.

[Rosenberg]

Makes you want to, like, stay away from.

[Peter]

I know. Anyone can explain a record to me over and over again. It makes no sense. In fact, it's not as if, like, the MP3 is more impressive. Neither makes sense to me. In fact, I would say the record makes less sense to me. The computer, I can almost make more sense of.

[Alan]

Do you think that programming in code makes sense?

[Peter]

No.

[Alan]

The fact that it's just 0 and 1. Think about that for a minute.

[Peter]

No, no, It's. It's insanity.

[Alan]

But it's a whole combination of all that that suddenly makes sense. It's the matrix. No idea.

[Rosenberg]

I don't. I'm with Peter. But I do. But I am with Alan, where I think every once in a while, you do want to be involved in something, whether it's cutting a tree down.

[Alan]

You got to get out there, man.

[Peter]

I'm giving a hard time because he sounds like a psycho. I'd be interested, but, like, when? Realistically? Now?

[Rosenberg]

One day. City dweller. No, no.

[Peter]

One day. Now. One day there is a world Natalie and I have talked about because we have some concerns about the state of the world.

[Alan]

Suburbia, maybe.

[Peter]

Well, potential suburbia could be on the table. But even if we stay in Manhattan, do we one day move on from having a small place near the beach and maybe go upstate and get, like, someplace that's on mainland somewhere so at least we have one home that's not on an island.

[Alan]

Peter. Peter Poconos.

[Peter]

I don't know about Peter Poconos.

[Alan]

Peter Poconos up there.

[Peter]

Just Peter Croton on the Hudson. You know what I mean? Peter Westchester.

[Alan]

Shoot yourself a buck.

[Peter]

Shoot yourself a buck. Yeah, so maybe I'd cut a piece of wood down. Shooting a buck is not.

[Rosenberg]

He's not. He's not doing this is why.

[Peter]

With a bow.

[Rosenberg]

Even worse. We're getting close to that time of year. It's gonna be odd now that there's not gonna be anybody on the show to reprimand me for this, but this is why I shovel. I have a snowblower, and I save it for, like, when there's a foot. Anything less than that, I'm going out and shoveling because I just. I need to do something.

[Peter]

I would like the blower. I've never had one, but that sounds awesome.

[Alan]

Complete, Completely. Gonna just rev it up.

[Peter]

Oh, you love it.

[Alan]

It's It. I mean, if 6 inches of snow, 100% just going to rev it up, burn all the gas, well, what's the point of it?

[Peter]

Because then even if it's less than that. Right. If it's three inches, you have that annoying feeling of where it's the shovel scraping the sidewalk. That's not fun. Oh, you know, you guys will be happy to know this. I recently did get.

[Alan]

Whatchamacallit power tool.

[Peter]

A power washer.

[Rosenberg]

Power wash. Oh, that's it.

[Alan]

I got addicted to that.

[Rosenberg]

I need that because. Because with the landscape, we have a white fence, and it's like turning green.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah. Or my house was my house.

[Rosenberg]

You got to be careful with that. Are you gonna take skin off?

[Alan]

No. Because you'll be obsessed with it.

[Rosenberg]

Because you'll know you'll very satisfy.

[Peter]

Very satisfying.

[Alan]

Asmr.

[Rosenberg]

Buttle had one, and he was going like nuts on the house, and a bug landed on his leg, and he just instinctually, like, shot himself in the leg trying to get the bug off. And he, like, ripped skin off. That stuff's powerful.

[Peter]

Oh, you can't do that. They're different. There's multiple nozzles on it.

[Rosenberg]

I think, honestly, there's multiple nozzles. There's always multiple nozzles.

[Peter]

Always multiple nozzles.

[Rosenberg]

And Greg was the king of the nozzle because he decided, I'm going to go.

[Peter]

Can't do this.

[Rosenberg]

If you have it, like, on real, you could probably tear your high.

[Peter]

The highest level one. You can mess up your house, you can mess up your car. There's a lower level nozzle that if you want to wash your car, you would do. And then there's ones that are, like, for like, siding on your house. You go up a phone, right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

But I felt like a man.

[Alan]

That's good. Satisfying twice a year, right? You do the. Your path. Pathway.

[Peter]

Yep.

[Alan]

And like Don said, on the. The fences, what I got to do.

[Peter]

The house is white, so you got to get those better. All right.

[Rosenberg]

So we were talking about again, so good on getting the job done. Is it. Is it. Is it the tipping his pitches well, the last two outings after the hole, I think he's tipping his pitches. He still is getting shot.

[Alan]

You want to hear these numbers? I just jotted down some numbers on Helsley that'll blow your mind. His era with the Mets. If I said 10 as an over under, well, it's over 11.45 and it's.

[Rosenberg]

Only like 14 innings.

[Alan]

14 earned runs in 11 innings. With the Cardinals, he had 12 earned runs and 36 innings, which is like.

[Rosenberg]

A three earned runner.

[Alan]

This is SNY had this stat which tells you all. So he has 3.5% of his career innings have been with the Mets. 3.5% his career earned runs with the Mets. 13.6% of his career earned runs. So 3.5% of his innings are the Mets. 13.6 of his career earned runs. This guy was not giving up runs like this.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan]

Until he put on a Met jersey.

[Rosenberg]

Right. So now the question. Now the questions become, can he handle New York? Marlos Mendoza was asked, has New York affected him? I wouldn't say in New York, you know, like, this guy is a closer, closer, especially when you're that good, you know, for him, I mean, I think it's just. If anything, it's just the struggles, you know, but whether It's New York, St. Louis, whatever the case might be, big league players are going to go to stretches where it's hard, but I wouldn't put it on like New York. These guys built for him, so. Well, apparently not. Something's wrong, so I'm sorry. New York's on the table because it's a thing, even though it's not in New York.

[Alan]

Like he's. He's playing in Detroit.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, but you're still representing New York. The pressures of being in New York. Listen, this pressure is everywhere. But you're in St. Louis. The crowd's usually pretty encouraging. Although they're really down on the team this year. They're not. Not drawing well. Is it this.

[Alan]

Do you mind if I say this, Don, without you getting offended?

[Peter]

Oh, wow.

[Alan]

Just try not to be offended and don't listen.

[Rosenberg]

This is almost impossible.

[Alan]

No, don't be offended.

[Rosenberg]

How can I not get offended?

[Alan]

I think it's different, the playing in New York thing, between the Mets and the Yankees. I think the Yankee thing, it's true. The Met thing, their fan base, they embrace you. They love you. Citi Field is a much different vibe than Yankee Stadium. Do they get frustrated over time? Yes, they do.

[Rosenberg]

I will give you that.

[Alan]

But he comes into Hell's Bells, the whole place goes crazy. Like he was welcomed with open arms. What pressure are you feeling compared to.

[Rosenberg]

Because there's different. There's different things. All right? Yeah. The crowd's part of it, but also it's. It's the intense media scrutiny. Right. Because there's more fans. So I don't know. Is he on social media? I'm sure he's getting destroyed there.

[Alan]

Are you really getting the intense coverage that used to get back in the day? Back in the day, though. It's not the same.

[Rosenberg]

It's not. But it's still different than what you're used to. Right.

[Alan]

If you.

[Rosenberg]

Because I listen. St. Louis is a baseball town.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

But you walk. I am.

[Alan]

Three baseball writers from one paper.

[Rosenberg]

Right. And. But here, you know, when they. And they travel. So in Detroit, you know, you're. You're seeing, you know, probably a dozen surrounding you. So after the game today, after another meltdown, he's probably got 12 to 15 people surrounding him, asking questions.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

What's going on? Like in other places, it's, you know, you have less media. They're probably not as. I don't wanna say mean, but they're probably not as biting. They're probably not as critical. The questions probably aren't as venomous as they are in New York because, hey, you were brought here to help the bullpen and you've, You've, You've made it worse. And, yeah, it may not be the Yankees. It's still New York. Right. You know, you feel that there's just a lot more media. There's just a lot more attention. You've got two. All sports radio stations. You've got how many newspapers, You've got how many people covering the team asking question after. You can't hide anywhere. I'm sure in St. Louis, after a bad outing, if he decided not to talk to the media, nobody was going to complain. If he doesn't come out to talk, there'll be five or six people that are going to be, you know, yelling and Ethan, where. Where's Helsley? Why is he not here? What's going on? Right. Because they're going to be ticked off. Why isn't he speaking?

[Alan]

There's.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, it's tougher for the Yankees than the Mets, but it's still New York. It's tougher for the Giants than the jets, but it's still New York. There is.

[Alan]

I get that. I just don't know if I want to go there as a reason why he's not performing up to par. Is it that he's a closer and he's not Playing a closer role.

[Rosenberg]

That's a possibility.

[Alan]

He himself said it. I remember at the trade, wasn't he the one that said he was surprised by the trade because they already have a closer? Yeah, he was. I believe he's the one who said that.

[Rosenberg]

You can't rule out the possibility that maybe he just doesn't have the stomach to play where there's gonna be a lot of scrutiny. Steve Phillips told general manager of the Mets. Not the Yankees, the Mets. I did shows with Steve. I got to know Steve, consider him a friend. He told me stories. He would get death threats. He wouldn't be able to go out to dinner with his wife when the Mets were struggling because the person at the other table be screaming at him, couldn't walk down the street. You'd. That happens in other cities. Yes, I'm sure it does, but not to the extent here. There's places that you can go in other cities and maybe not get that meanness that you might get recognized is.

[Alan]

A, like, that is one of the biggest.

[Rosenberg]

But there's probably more of a sense of, hey, you know, go. You'll get them next time. We still believe in you. I don't think they're, they're threatening the life of the general manager in St. Louis the way they do in New York. And listen, I'm not proud of it.

[Alan]

They're, they're so fed up with that baseball team in that town. They're not going to games and they, you always go to gates.

[Rosenberg]

That's what happens. But when they're mad, they just don't go.

[Alan]

Well, but they don't go.

[Rosenberg]

But in New York, they'll go and they'll scream. But if they see you out. That's exactly right.

[Alan]

If they see you out, though, you're going to hear about it.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, but it's just, I, all right, I could be dead wrong. I've only lived in New York my entire life. I just know one of my good.

[Alan]

Friends covers the Cardinals, so I, I.

[Rosenberg]

I know, and I'm sure there's scrutiny, but it's not like it is in New York. And, and Steve Phillips, for most of the time, he's the general manager. He was good.

[Alan]

Mm.

[Peter]

The Cardinals are a weird example though, too, because it's like literally the life of the city and they're so used to winning there. Yes, but not every place is like that. Not every mid market team is St. Louis either.

[Rosenberg]

But when they're mad at the show.

[Alan]

So you're buying into the. On the table is that Helsley just can't handle New York.

[Peter]

No, I don't think that's the reason. I don't. But I do buy into the idea that New York is unlike any place else, and I think it keeps people away from this.

[Rosenberg]

And I'm also trying to fight him that it's not just a Yankee thing, it's a New Yorker.

[Alan]

I think it's heavier, there's different levels. But this is like. I just.

[Peter]

Again, it was bad for Soto and Queens.

[Alan]

In 36 innings with the Cardinals, he gave up 12 runs. In 11 innings with the Mets, he's given up 14. That's an incredible. Just flip of a switch. And all he did was just change addresses. Something else has got to be a play here.

[Rosenberg]

Well, and I don't doubt that.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter]

Just made the list, buddy.

[Don Hahn]

This is the list with Don, Han and Rosenberg.

[Rosenberg]

All right, we got a dual list for you today because Alan came up with one that I think is hilarious. Mine's lame in comparison, but I do think this one will be controversial. People are going to be very upset. I, like, I might have done this list during the pandemic, Peter. But things age differently. You watch movies again and stuff. I'm gonna give you, since we're on the eve of football.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

The top five football movies.

[Peter]

All right. Yeah, it is lame.

[Rosenberg]

But don't you see? It's gonna stir people up.

[Peter]

Yeah, no, no.

[Rosenberg]

Especially when they hear this.

[Peter]

It's only lame because it sounds like, so basic. But we haven't done it. Well, there's.

[Alan]

There's one that has to be number one, and if it's not there and it's a bad.

[Peter]

We haven't done.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Here. They'll chainsaw me.

[Peter]

Yeah, listen, you know, I think I should go back to our guessing days.

[Rosenberg]

All right, I'm good with that. Since he's all.

[Peter]

This is.

[Rosenberg]

This is. That's okay. Of him, too. Like, it is number one. I know.

[Peter]

I know what you call. I know what you. Mahal is going to be on it.

[Rosenberg]

What's your call?

[Peter]

Yeah, the one that you guys haven't seen it and you guys always talk about it. You and K. The TV movie.

[Alan]

The one that I.

[Peter]

The song.

[Alan]

Yes. Brian Song.

[Peter]

Brian.

[Alan]

Brian's Song's not number one.

[Peter]

Brian Song is on there for sure.

[Alan]

It's a bad.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, I. I am. I. I have Brian's Song at two.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Rosenberg]

The reason I don't have it in number one, it was a TV movie, so that takes a.

[Peter]

By the way. No, he takes a bit of a hit. TV movie is the definition of movie.

[Rosenberg]

Of Jason, let's be honest. So it is good.

[Peter]

That's true.

[Rosenberg]

It is good.

[Alan]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

And I've got it. It too. So hopefully you're not.

[Peter]

Where's. Where's Mr. Rudiger?

[Rosenberg]

Rudy.

[Peter]

Rudy Rudiger. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

For me?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

It's my list, right?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I got a number one.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

My wife, that's always like. She'll. I don't know what it is about my wife. Is Stephanie like this? Is Natalie like this? She's not in the room. She's not in the room. I'm in the living room by myself. Kids are asleep. She's not in the room. So I'm slipping around. Rudy's on. I gotta watch it. Have to watch. I've seen it a billion times. I love it.

[Alan]

I agree.

[Rosenberg]

It's inspirational.

[Alan]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

I think the football, it's quality.

[Peter]

It's good. The football's good.

[Alan]

It stops surfing. That's a. That's a. Stop surfing.

[Rosenberg]

Doesn't matter where in the movie. Awesome. All right. Pulp. No. Kid spot.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Old school. There's good.

[Rosenberg]

Fellas.

[Peter]

Goodfellas, Casino. You just stop.

[Rosenberg]

It's just me. Rudy gets me. Yeah. All right. And then answer will come in the room and she'll be annoyed. And it's not like I'm. She's in the room. Okay. What do you want to put on? Like, I'm not keeping it on. No, she's annoyed. I'm watching it. For the billionth time, why you're not in the room. It's not annoying. You.

[Peter]

Let you be. Let me be.

[Rosenberg]

I listen, I get that. I'm not for everybody.

[Peter]

No.

[Rosenberg]

But clearly I'm for her.

[Peter]

She said yes a long time ago.

[Rosenberg]

All right, so this is kind of a hurtful problem, right?

[Peter]

Totally.

[Alan]

And she keeps coming back for more.

[Rosenberg]

She didn't leave it yet.

[Alan]

No.

[Rosenberg]

It's hot.

[Alan]

Rudy might put it over the top. You put it on one more time. She's walking.

[Rosenberg]

So Rudy.

[Peter]

Rudy won. We got Brian.

[Rosenberg]

When he finally gets accepted, he's sitting like, come on, come on. Stop.

[Alan]

There's so many. The five foot nothing, 100 nothing.

[Peter]

I know, I know. I know that. I think that Dom would include this one. It's underrated.

[Rosenberg]

He knows he's underrated by the.

[Peter]

Michael Scott appreciates this movie. There's only one cure for the Monday blues. Varsity Blues, Blues 3.

[Rosenberg]

Now, you might think it's corny.

[Alan]

Good.

[Rosenberg]

Because it's an mv. I love it.

[Alan]

It's good.

[Rosenberg]

It's.

[Alan]

I don't want your life.

[Rosenberg]

It's Van Der Beek. You know, I get it. It's great movie, all right. And it's an MTV production. But I'm telling you, it is really, really, if you listen, I was the same way. I'm not gonna watch this. It's stupid. It's an MTV movie. Look who's in this movie. Come on. James Khan's son. Come on. Stop it. But you get wrapped in. And the football's quality, like they're playing. They look good.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

And it's funny and it's poignant.

[Alan]

Ms. Davis, go to the prom with me.

[Peter]

By the way, that relates to. That relates to the other list.

[Alan]

Yes, it does. Yes.

[Rosenberg]

They did for Southern accents what the Departed did.

[Alan]

Yeah. For the Boston.

[Rosenberg]

It's way over the top.

[Peter]

That's way over the top.

[Alan]

That's your best take of the summer. That's your best take of the summer.

[Peter]

All right. And welcome back. If you happen to be in the car, you're listening. Baseball. You're here on Don, Han and Rosenberg. We're in the middle of our. Your time is perfect, and you're. Yeah. Great timing. Don is doing the greatest football movies of all time.

[Rosenberg]

Greatest football movies of all time. And so far, we've got Rudy at one, Brian Song two, Varsity Blues three.

[Peter]

These were guests in order.

[Rosenberg]

So you guys have done a great job. 4 and 5. And I'm telling you. 5. This could be controversial, but I will stand by this movie. But you. Any more guesses? Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Peter]

I'm not done.

[Rosenberg]

I got a lot of honorable mentions, too.

[Alan]

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait. Would the Replacements make this?

[Rosenberg]

No, it's garbage.

[Alan]

Come on. That's a fun move.

[Rosenberg]

Even Jon Favreau's like, I didn't agree to this. He said, I'm not going to mention the movie. He thought it was going to be because it's on my list.

[Alan]

Any given Sunday.

[Rosenberg]

He thought it was going to be really good. And then next thing they're, you know, they're. They're dancing in the prison. No, it's called Any Given Sunday.

[Alan]

Any given Sunday is definitely on this honorable mention.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, I'm a fan. I am a fan. People pan that movie. I get it. But it's still a really cool movie. But I got it. How about Waterboy? I'm not. I'm not a fan.

[Alan]

No, no, no. Remember the Titans?

[Rosenberg]

No, I knew that wouldn't be there. That radio. VR. Marshall.

[Peter]

Stop it. Stop it. About Blindside. Stop it.

[Rosenberg]

Found out the whole thing is made up.

[Alan]

Now that we know the truth, that movie no longer holds water.

[Peter]

All right, so. So can you real quick? Give me. Give me era. Give me Eric.

[Alan]

No, no, no, no, no. The Philadelphia.

[Rosenberg]

You're on.

[Alan]

No, no.

[Rosenberg]

Invincible.

[Alan]

Invincible.

[Peter]

No, no.

[Alan]

What's the one?

[Peter]

Silver Linus Playbook.

[Alan]

No, that's actually pretty good too.

[Rosenberg]

You know, you're.

[Peter]

No, no, no. I'm just trying to see what he was guessing.

[Rosenberg]

That that movie was so corny. And then because it was Philadelphia, Andrew Gunling's like, this is the greatest movie ever. That movie was so irritating. What?

[Peter]

Everybody bond.

[Alan]

I understand that you put the man on the list because it's good. Anything. Anything's possible.

[Peter]

No, Varsity was a good movie.

[Alan]

It is a good movie.

[Peter]

But anything's possible for the Monday Blues. Varsity Blues. Real quick. I. I want. I want to know the era, because this is a lot.

[Alan]

Yep.

[Rosenberg]

Era.

[Alan]

Era.

[Rosenberg]

Fairly recent. And then back in the day. 70s.

[Peter]

Back in the 70s.

[Rosenberg]

He's on it. He's on.

[Peter]

Is he?

[Rosenberg]

Every time he's done that, you've been wrong. He's got it.

[Peter]

Every time.

[Alan]

You got Prison. Prison.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Longest Yard.

[Peter]

Original. Longest Yard. The original, yes.

[Rosenberg]

The remake's not bad.

[Peter]

That's fine.

[Rosenberg]

But the original is a classic and I've got Reynolds.

[Peter]

Burt Reynolds.

[Alan]

Santa's the remake. Burt Reynolds is the original, so.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's right.

[Alan]

So long as Yard's good.

[Peter]

Number five.

[Rosenberg]

Controversy with five. And I know people are gonna get irritated, but I'm telling you, watch the movie. It is outstanding. We refer to it all the time. Nobody saw it, but it's awesome. Refer to it.

[Alan]

North Dallas. 40 on. That's not even in consideration.

[Rosenberg]

Honorable mention. It's an honorable mention.

[Peter]

This is a recent movie.

[Rosenberg]

Fairly.

[Peter]

And we referrally.

[Rosenberg]

We. Because whenever this time of year comes up, I always refer to the movie. You'll know when I say it. You never. You might not even have seen it.

[Peter]

I might not have seen it. Alan, what do you think about.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know if Alan saw it, but I think it. I think it's tremendous. And every time it's on, I watch it.

[Peter]

I. Drama.

[Rosenberg]

And it's gonna be controversial. Yes, it's a drama. Very famous actor that's known for his sports movies.

[Peter]

Very famous actor known for his sports.

[Rosenberg]

Big time comedian. Also an actor is the coach. And it's a real team.

[Alan]

Oh, wait, he's on it. No, he's not on it. I was and then I wasn't. You're right.

[Peter]

He hasn't been on all day because.

[Alan]

A million movies are coming.

[Peter]

I know, I know, but hold on. You said big time comedian.

[Alan]

Yeah. When you said comedian. I had.

[Rosenberg]

But also actor. But he started out as a comedian. And he's the coach.

[Peter]

And he's the coach.

[Rosenberg]

And an actor that recently died young is in the movie as well.

[Peter]

And an actor that recently died young, big time comedian. Is the coach.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Peter]

Eddie Murphy.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Alan]

Wildcats.

[Rosenberg]

Wildcats. Is deserving of an honor. It's the sport of king Better than diamond rings Necessary roughness got no love. I like that. More movie. Good. Scott Blackula, Cathy Ireland.

[Alan]

Bacula.

[Rosenberg]

Bacula. What is it? Bacula.

[Peter]

Anthony, you have any idea what this could be?

[Rosenberg]

No. You gotta get. You gotta get mad. You're gonna get mad. I'm angry, but I. I'm.

[Peter]

It's part of the common vernacular, like, that we talk about. I'm just.

[Rosenberg]

I always bring it up, but maybe, Maybe when I bring it up, it's over your head because you didn't see it. And I'm just talking to myself, now that I think about it, maybe.

[Peter]

Oh, man, this is tough.

[Rosenberg]

Especially talked about it when Zach Wilson was drafted.

[Peter]

When Zach Wilson was drafted. So is it. So is there a pretty boy? Is there a pretty boy?

[Rosenberg]

No, but it's like, why. Why wasn't he captain? Why was this ringing any bells? Anthony's on. Anthony's got it. Anthony got it. No.

[Alan]

All right, I think you should tell us.

[Rosenberg]

He stood. Oh, he wants to end the segment. I thought he stood up because he was involved. He stood up. He's like, all right, we're done.

[Peter]

I thought it's enough.

[Rosenberg]

And you have another list. And you know what's sad is that we're not really close to needing to break. He's just really irritated.

[Peter]

No, it's just taking too long.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Alan]

I feel bad for you here.

[Rosenberg]

You're excited.

[Alan]

I mean, I have, like, Draft Day.

[Rosenberg]

I love that.

[Peter]

You know what? I forgot about Draft Day.

[Rosenberg]

And I understand it's controversial, but don't.

[Alan]

Be mad because known for his sports movies, Kevin Costner. Kevin Costner done a million baseball movies.

[Peter]

Who's the young actor who died?

[Rosenberg]

The one that was Chadwick Boseman.

[Peter]

Chad Chadwick Boseman's in it.

[Rosenberg]

He plays a linebacker. I'm telling you, if you've never seen it, I think it's underrated. I think I like Started it.

[Peter]

I've never finished.

[Rosenberg]

Really gets into when. When you watch the. A lot of those things, actually, I think they did a really good job.

[Alan]

When he starts working the phones.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan]

That's when the movie really hits. It hits at that point when he's now moving pieces and he's. He's like, mind. You know what. Ing the young GM and making him do. Like. There's a lot that goes on there that's really compelling. It takes forever to get there.

[Peter]

It's a hell of a list.

[Alan]

Takes forever. So. So your list is Draft Day, Varsity Blues, Longest Yard, Brian Song and Rudy.

[Rosenberg]

That's right.

[Alan]

Okay, so you don't have any given Sunday.

[Rosenberg]

Any given Sunday, North Dallas 40, which is classically great.

[Alan]

You don't have all the right moves.

[Rosenberg]

I. That. I love that. But it's.

[Alan]

You don't have Wildcats and you don't have the Best of times.

[Rosenberg]

I thought about the best of times. It's Robin.

[Alan]

Robin Williams vehicle. When you said comedy, I forgot about it.

[Peter]

I forgot about it.

[Alan]

Great movie.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I don't have it on the list. And also Heaven Can Wait. I. I had as.

[Alan]

I never think of that as a football movie, but.

[Peter]

Yeah, but some. There are a lot of people out there. I know you thought it was Poe Dunk. A lot of people remember the Titans in Love that movie.

[Rosenberg]

Remember It's a true story.

[Peter]

No, it's. It's a true story. And it's.

[Rosenberg]

It's always we are Marshall, but I'm good.

[Alan]

We are Marshall's pretty good, too. Okay, well, that's all right.

[Rosenberg]

But this.

[Alan]

Well, we don't have time for mine.

[Rosenberg]

You're acting. Then we'll come back.

[Peter]

Maybe I'll do it on the other side.

[Rosenberg]

No, dude, you can do it.

[Alan]

No. No way. We could do it here.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Alan]

Go to the other side. Because it does relate to Varsity Blues in some way.

[Peter]

It does.

[Rosenberg]

So it does.

[Alan]

A very famous scene.

[Peter]

Is that song. Is there. Do you remember the song?

[Alan]

I. I don't have it. Because I think it's hot for Teacher. If I'm not mistaken.

[Peter]

It might be. It might be.

[Alan]

Wasn't it Hot for Teacher?

[Peter]

Don't give it away.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Rosenberg]

You just made it this funny.

[Don Hahn]

This is the list with Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Rosenberg]

They're going to continue doing it because Alan has a list.

[Alan]

Now, to be clear. Because I show some humility.

[Rosenberg]

Losing confidence.

[Alan]

It's not confident. No, no, no, please, not this. This. I'm an expert. I'm just saying I never wanted this to get to the air. This was for fun in our little group chat. Because, like, it was. It was motivated by the fact that Def Leppard's anniversary. Def Leppard's Hysteria was on the Billboard charts today, 1988. The first of three straight weeks at the top.

[Rosenberg]

And I.

[Alan]

And I, featuring the anthem. Pour Some Sugar on Me. And Don replied.

[Rosenberg]

And anthem.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

How did I reply?

[Alan]

Stripper music is what Don said.

[Rosenberg]

I'm a big believer.

[Alan]

Which. And then Anthony replies, interesting list idea. So bang, your fault, Anthony. I'm sitting on the train going, well, I got time to kill. And I just said, okay, here's my top five. You know, gentlemen's club. Gentlemen's club. We all know.

[Rosenberg]

Champagne Room soundtrack.

[Alan]

There you go.

[Peter]

There you go.

[Alan]

So here's number five. GQ, west side, late 90s.

[Rosenberg]

Can't do it Too good.

[Alan]

This song came on and you're just like, it's. It's go time.

[Rosenberg]

I don't.

[Alan]

I don't. And whoever's coming out is top shelf liquor.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, I. I just. I believe this list should be pejorative.

[Alan]

You can disagree.

[Rosenberg]

I think this is too quality. I'm not saying it doesn't get played.

[Alan]

It's a high end club we're talking about.

[Peter]

You're saying it's beyond that, though it shouldn't be limited.

[Rosenberg]

It's a good song.

[Alan]

Okay, but I'm giving you memory.

[Peter]

I can barely hear it.

[Alan]

Then if you don't like that one, you won't like number one. Number four.

[Rosenberg]

Guys, a genius. Stop it.

[Alan]

Nine Inch Nails, Closer.

[Rosenberg]

Yep, I get the I Get again theme. This is too good. Okay, but that's me, sure.

[Peter]

But this, to me, this.

[Alan]

It'll get cheesy, I promise.

[Peter]

But this one here, like, I don't.

[Alan]

It's intense.

[Peter]

I'm not a big purveyor of the. The gentleman's club. And I believe you that it works there. I don't hear that. And hear that though.

[Rosenberg]

Fair enough. But these next three are money.

[Peter]

Yeah, these ones, you do hear it.

[Alan]

But yeah, I'm going from memory and experience. That's different Gossip, Long Island. All right, so number three.

[Peter]

This is Warrant Warren.

[Alan]

And we all know.

[Rosenberg]

She's my cherry pie.

[Alan]

Cherry piece. And we all know how wrong this is. And whoever comes out in whatever. Whatever the costume is, you know, it's all wrong.

[Rosenberg]

Well, let Me tell you, but it's there.

[Alan]

It's.

[Rosenberg]

They wrote this for that in mind for the club.

[Alan]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, if you see the video.

[Alan]

Yeah, it's.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's. That was what the plan was.

[Alan]

Right. All right, so number two, then. As Don said.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan]

Correctly, as we all know, this is almost a cliche club song.

[Rosenberg]

This is.

[Alan]

This comes on and, you know, it's still early in the night, but it's just getting started.

[Rosenberg]

This is when Def Leppard took a turn for me.

[Peter]

I don't think I know him before this.

[Alan]

This album is one.

[Rosenberg]

Is this, you know, high and dry?

[Alan]

Yeah. No, they had. You have to, you know, Pyroman. Pyromania has been sampled.

[Rosenberg]

But like the first two albums and then all of a sudden, again. Stripper music.

[Alan]

Yeah. Then. Then it just got. Then they just.

[Peter]

I hear you, man.

[Rosenberg]

Pour some sugar.

[Alan]

Yeah. It just. Yeah. So. All right, last but not least, a.

[Peter]

Lot being said there.

[Alan]

The most obvious. And speak of a song that was literally not just made for the club, but made about the club.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan]

I mean, he's naming some of the famous clubs around the country. It's just obvious, but it's. And then he names the songs.

[Rosenberg]

Another Molly Crue took a turn. First two albums. Amazing. And then it just became.

[Alan]

They also decided they want to just make money now.

[Peter]

Yeah. I thought Motley Crue, that's all I think of too, is videos now.

[Rosenberg]

I. I think.

[Alan]

Yeah, that's the video.

[Rosenberg]

You gotta get some.

[Peter]

As a kid, I'm trying to understand. I'm. I'm seven years old. Trying to understand why are the videos filled with all these hot half naked ladies? And then also all these men dressing look like the hot half naked ladies. What the hell is going on?

[Rosenberg]

They want the ladies so bad that they decided to make them.

[Peter]

They want to be like.

[Rosenberg]

It's a whole LA glam scene. I just never. Poison another thing. Poison.

[Alan]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Awful.

[Alan]

This was about making money at that point, because MLE Crew, when they first came up, they had pentagrams and they were like devil music. And Shot of the Devil was their second album, which was a great album, but the problem is you don't make a lot of money that way. This is where you get your radio play, not shout at the devil. So they did. And it's. How's it working out for him? Is Dominic.

[Peter]

How's it working out? That's the thing. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

So anyway, so your soul.

[Alan]

So there's the list I could. Now there's one that John Winthrop mentioned that I Now is a good one. Mad at myself for not thinking of it, but I wanted to give him credit. That's Lenny Kravitz. I mean this two notes in it screams like.

[Rosenberg]

Okay, not the Guess who version.

[Alan]

It's got to be the Lenny Kravitz.

[Rosenberg]

You remember who was in the video for this? And she's.

[Peter]

Isn't this from.

[Alan]

Guy, I thought this was from.

[Peter]

Oh, no, no, no. This is from.

[Rosenberg]

I don't remember what it's from, but Mike Myers.

[Peter]

Austin Powers.

[Alan]

Austin Powers.

[Rosenberg]

But in the video it's in her prime. Heather Graham wasn't Heather Graham.

[Alan]

No, she was in the other. Okay. No, you're right.

[Peter]

Heather Graham was really a moment in time.

[Rosenberg]

You could probably find some white snake too.

[Peter]

White.

[Rosenberg]

White Snake was big at the clubs.

[Peter]

I mean, that name's a mouthful.

[Rosenberg]

It's a certain demographic.

[Alan]

Going to leave it there.

[Peter]

Well, we covered a lot today. We've done it all, I guess.

[Rosenberg]

So many places I could go.

[Alan]

You just see what happens when we're on the app.

[Rosenberg]

Only dropped the topic bomb and now I can't talk. Yeah, now I can't talk further about the white snake analogy.

[Alan]

Well, their. Their video was. That video was pretty good. Yeah, so. And by the way, I meant to be for the air, but Don insisted, so there you are.

[Rosenberg]

No, everything's meant for the air. It's just a matter of whether we can get away with it.

[Peter]

We thought this would be.

[Rosenberg]

We'd be alright, but we're already back on 880, so.

[Alan]

You're welcome.

[Rosenberg]

File your complaints with the FCC. 1-800-919-3776. Want to get into the Mets? Helsley can't get the job done. We got Carlos Mendoza talking about that Soto. I got some things to say about Juan Soto as well. It's Don Ana Rosenberg taking you up until 7:00 clock here on ESPN New York.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan]

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[Don Hahn]

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