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This is the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.
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Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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Oh yeah baby.
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Sure.
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Knicks visit the warriors with coverage following ty Butler on 880 at 9:30. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. My rundown says Dan Grassa and now this read says Ty Butler.
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Controversy.
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Hello McFly. So Ty Butler till 9:30.
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They're fighting it out, I heard.
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Apparently we've just gotten word Shams has no surprise Brunson out tonight in Golden State and the Islanders face the data. Just to add to that in Edmonton at nine.
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Yeah, they have day to day which.
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When you saw him get hurt you knew he wasn't going to play in.
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March of it two weeks.
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Yeah, so. But he's not. He's not going to play. This is the last game of the road trip.
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No, it certainly is mercifully.
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And that's why if you see how Allen's dressed, he's all ready to work tonight.
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Can't wait.
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Tullamore do the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured iris whiskey. Be sure to grab a Telemore do or try the new Telemore do, honey. During tonight's action Telemore do, please drink responsibly. He's the MVP of the coverage. He was terrific to follow throughout and I enjoy his work immensely. Again, I appreciate this and as much as I want this to be about Peter Rosenberg, it is actually about Ian o' Connor and he joins us here on Don. Peter Rosenberg, congratulations on your work. I know it's just another day for you, but we really enjoyed it tremendously.
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D
Oh, thanks for saying that, Don. I really appreciate it. Hey, I'm just happy for Giants fans that to me I've been doing this in New York for four decades. I think this is the biggest hire the Giants have made in that time period. I really do agree Coughlin. They had gone to the super bowl four years before Coughlin arrived, and the Giants, as you guys know, have been a complete wasteland. And to land a coach of this caliber is the first time the Giants have ever hired someone who already had won a Super Bowl. So, yeah, this is a huge deal. And also happy for John Mara.
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B
Yeah, for sure. And his involvement in it. And we're all wishing him well with his health struggles. Ian, I had a little bit of a conspiracy theory, not much of a conspiracy theory, but I saw your tweet earlier today about how John had a sense that maybe this would be his last year in Baltimore and started thinking about where he might land and that the Giants could possibly be a destination with the work that these guys do behind the scenes. Was John Harbaugh on their list as far back as when they fired Dable and started looking and maybe had a hunch the way that Harbaugh did that he would become available? Do you think the Giants knew his availability before he was officially fired?
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D
I think they guessed correctly that it was more likely that Harbaugh would be out than Mike Tomlin, but I think they had a strong suspicion they were going to get some help in this search from the AFC North. They figured Stefanski would be available, obviously a good candidate, but there is a lot of noise around both Tomlin and Harbaugh, and I think they did more work on Harbaugh, even though I'm guessing they probably would have hired Tomlin over Harbaugh. Both were available at the same time. But yeah, they did work on Harbaugh and Harbaugh before the end of his season.
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He was.
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He had the Giants at the top of his own list in case he got fired. I do know that he was looking, not, not he didn't spend much time on it, not as much as the Giants did in their situation. But when he looked at the possible openings in case he fired, the Giants were at the top of his list and so he does get fired. And by the way, he walked into that building that day thinking he was going to survive and coach the Ravens for a 19th season. And then of course, that didn't happen. But I know for a fact as soon as he was fired, the Giants were at the top of his list because they had been at the top of that list before he got fired.
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And we were referencing you so much we came up with a nickname. Not sure if you're going to like it, so you can tell me yes or no. We went with ioc. Have you Ever heard that before? And are you good?
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D
I've heard it before. And Alan. Yes, I am good with that. Anytime you guys mention my name in any context, I'm happy.
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Okay. I just wanted to make sure, you know, there's a lot of syllables there. We just wanted, like, you know, quick information, latest from ioc. So we just wanted to make sure that. Because, you know, some people are like, you know, no, no, say my whole name. Now, after all the reporting that you have done on this. And, I mean, some of these tweets were like novellas. I mean, they were so much fun to read just because of how well written they were, on top of the fact that they were just filled with so much information. But when you look back, is there something that. You know, we all tend to leave things in the notebook along the way, and then when it's done, it's like, oh, by the way, I couldn't say this then, but is there something like that you could share?
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D
Well, I'm working on that right now. And so let me think. I was trying to share as much as I could while protecting some people. All I can say is, well, for instance, this is one thing. I was talking to people inside Harbaugh's camp and right around his camp, and a lot of the conversation about Atlanta was that gives you the best route to a division title in year one. Right. Because that division is the most winnable. It was just won with an 89 record. And Matt Ryan is impressive, and obviously Robinson is a great player, and they have other. Other things going for them as well. But the biggest thing Atlanta had going for them was you can win that division right away. And I know John felt this way, and people around him that they were not at all worried about the competition in the NFC east being a problem. So I do know that Harbaugh thought in looking at tape of Dart and looking at the roster and looking at the people coming back from injuries, that he's not looking to rebuild. He's looking to win in 2026.
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Wow. That's how great coaches think.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I don't need the easy path. I think we can win. I can coach us to win no matter where we are.
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Well, a big part of that, obviously, Ian, is Jackson Dart. We kind of go back and forth. You know, we all. We all see the potential in Jackson Dart, and we've seen a lot of good stuff is the firm belief there, like, he is 100% a franchise guy. Like, do they feel that. They know that already.
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They like him a lot. And he has a couple of advisors who really like Dart. So I don't know if he's 100% certain that he's going to be an elite franchise quarterback, but he's pretty certain about it and I think he's really excited to listen. He had a great partnership with Joe Flacco as a pure pocket passer and Lamar Jackson he developed in the two time league mvp. So he's had very good relationships with his quarterbacks. I think at the end of the. I think I know at the end that there was some fatigue there between Jackson and Harbaugh. What was that based in?
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What was that really based in between them?
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D
I think you would really need. Since I did not cover the Ravens, I don't think I'm really qualified to answer that question. But I think the people who do cover it would say that, you know, maybe Harbaugh is a relentless attention to detail guy. Did he see the same commitment to that in Jackson that might be questioned? And listen, hey, he started getting hurt and all this sudden he's not available nearly as much as he was and he wasn't running as much as he was in his early years. So I think some more of that will come out and I'm not sure I'm entirely qualified just having not covered them certainly on any sort of regular basis. But Jackson is a great player and he's a better player than Jackson Dart right now. But I think from what I've heard after he looked at Dart on film, he was excited. He said he was telling people there's a lot to be excited about there. And you know, he's talking about a quarterback of on a 4 and 13 team. Not that all the losses certainly belong to Dart. He wasn't out there the entire season but he was, he was excited about what he saw. I don't know the question, of course. Did he think he was better than Ward on tape? Cam Ward? And as of right now, I don't know the answer to that question, but I think he did very much like both.
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Joe Shane deserves some credit for this. He was leading the search. Where do you think his future lies? Will he get a contract extension? Where does he place now in the future of the New York Giants?
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I think he'll get an extension because he just made, like I said, maybe the most important hire in recent memory as far as a Giants coach is concerned. And he did play a major role in the process. It's almost like 13 and 38 over the last three years has been wiped away with this one hire. And I don't know if that's possible, but it's a hell of a hire. And I know he was very involved. He was on top of the Harbaugh camp as soon as John got fired, and he was relentless. And his first conversation with Harbaugh, John walked away from that, telling people, I can work with this guy, I think I can work with him. You know, we have to work some things out. And hey, if I want player X for the fifth pick in the draft and you want player Y, what, what's going to happen there? And I do think those conversations happened and Harbaugh was assured that you will have personnel power, not autonomy and not complete control of the roster. But we're not bringing you in here for 20 million a year and not using your expertise in how to build and shape a consistent winner.
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So.
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And if you look at it, obviously Joe Shane has sort of been mocked, the Hard Knocks video as far as drafting Dart is concerned and how Dabo clearly liked him more than Shane did. Yeah, but at the same time, you can look at that as a positive. Shane listened to his head coach and said, okay, you believe in him a little bit more than I do or a lot more, but you believe in him that much, I'm going to trade up and get that player for you. If he did that for Gable, I'm pretty sure he's going to do that for John Harbaugh. And I think John is aware of that.
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And Ian, I think the next thing we watch now is of course how you build out a coaching staff. And there are some rumors about Todd Monkin coming with from Baltimore as the offensive coordinator. And somebody I know in the Giant said, like, like hiring a guy like this, it kind of, you, you can go after the best of the best now. You're good. You're gonna, you don't have to settle for certain hires in certain positions. You know that somebody like him who knows a lot of people, you'll be able to get some of the top coordinators that you need and build out a staff. And I remember when Bill Parcells came to the jets, he kind of did the same thing, right? Like he had like a star studded coaching staff and that's what brought out that credibility to the, to the jets all the way back then when they had none. Do you expect the same to happen here?
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It'd be interesting to see what he does that. We know the offensive coordinator already and to me that's a good hire, a defensive coordinator. I wouldn't be surprised if Antonio Pierce gets the nod there. I know he. I thought he did, actually. You look at what Pete Carroll did in Las Vegas and it made Antonio Pierce's work look a lot better because Pete Carroll was terrible with a. With a better quarterback than Pierce had to deal with and Gardner Minshew and Aiden o'.
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Connell.
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So I think Giants fans would love that. I think Pierce, I know he had a good interview for the head coach position, so I wouldn't be surprised if he emerges as a top candidate for that D.C. job. Jim Leonard, of course, has been mentioned, and I could see that happening as well. But yeah, when you have someone with the credibility cachet that John Harbaugh carries, that staff is going to be a lot easier to assemble at a high level, and that's going to be a big factor in their success. Without question.
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And the great thing about you, Ian, is that you understand not just the history of the Giants in football, but also in New York. And you think of the other significant hires we were talking about. Pat Riley with the Knicks, Mike Keenan with the Rangers. It seems like when you do something like this, there's always the wanderlust factor of the guy wants to parlay this into another job like Keenan did, like Riley did, like Parcells always had the wanderlust or some kind of battle for control. I don't sense any of that with John, do you? You really kind of feel like, and maybe it's just me being a Giant fan, that this, even though he's a little bit older, has the potential to be a lot longer term than some of the other big name coaches that other franchises in New York have achieved.
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That's right, Don. I think he's looking at this as his last job. He's 63. I think he wants to coach another 10 years. And yeah, he thinks this is it. He wanted to be the head coach of the New York Giants, I can assure you of that. And I remember asking him like four years ago when the Giants job was open and Jim Harbaugh was mentioned as a potential candidate. And I asked him, what do you think of Jim possibly becoming the head coach of the Giants? Do you think he'd be interested? And he said, the New York Football Giants, Are you kidding me? So he knew, he understands, gets the historical standing of the Giants. He understands what it means to be the head coach of that franchise in the biggest city and market in the country. So none of that is new to him. Like, he has thought about this. He thought about wearing that hat, leading that team out of the tunnel. I know that for a fact. And he understands there's a difference between if you want to win a Super bowl for your legacy, there's a big difference. Doing it with the New York Giants than say the no offense but Arizona Cardinals. There is a difference and he understands that. And I think that was a big part of the appeal here.
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Well, certainly a big day for the Giants. Just quick, when you look at where the Eagles are, Cowboys and the commanders, where do you feel the Giants fit in this division next year?
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Yeah, it's tough. It's the Eagles, of course, and they're going to be there. The Cowboys, we know their record against the Giants and Washington. You figure Daniels will be healthy and there'll be a bit of a bounce back season there. That's why I thought the NFC south made a lot of sense. You can go there and win it right away. NFC east, you're going to be scrambling for a wild card if you're lucky in year one. But I think that a realistic scenario looking at that division is the Giants next year at 9, 8 but in December having a chance to get a wild card, playing meaningful games. I don't want to sound like the Wil Ponds here from many years ago, but meaningful games in December for the Giants I think will happen. I think that's realistic. I think 10 and 7 is probably the ceiling in that first year. Maybe more likely a 9 and 8 or even an 8, 9 as he's getting his program in place. But if you told me the Giants were a wild card playoff team next year, I would not be surprised.
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And you look at Chicago, right at the same record last year, they get it, they get a new coach and the rookie quarterback has a second season and you know, things can, things can turn around quickly in the NFL. That's been proven and especially in a place like that. Ian, one thing, one last thing I wanted to mention to you that we had seen is the different people that called John to vouch for the Giant and Giants in their organization. And the one name that really caught my attention because you rarely see this is the guy that he'd be replacing in Brian Dabel. How much have you heard or know about that and just how remarkable is that?
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D
It is remarkable, Alan, and that is rare. And I'll give Dable a lot of credit for doing that. Now my understanding is he gave a very strong recommendation for Dart, of course, and for John Mara and Steve Tisch. Now what did he say about Joe Shane? I really don't know, but I would love to have been in the room for that part of the conversation. Okay, so let's say he gave a mixed review of Joe Shane and Harbaugh processed that. Okay. But he understands there's some context there he's got to consider in listening to that scouting report. But they did their homework on Joe Shane. They were asking questions and they came to a realization that. And they asked John Mara and Chris Mara and Steve Pisch and Tim McDonnell. Okay, what's the story here? Now, John Mara, usually, and I think he said this to the Harbaugh camp. I don't get involved unless it's a disciplinary issue. John has always said that. So it'll be interesting to see, okay. If there's a stalemate in the draft and Harbaugh wants this guy and Chain wants that guy, they're saying they're going to work it out. And I do think, like, you can't get everything in writing. My suspicion is that Harbaugh and his agent got a lot of things in writing, and that's one thing where they have to trust Mara and Tish a little bit on that. And we'll see how it plays out.
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Great job. Great report. Really appreciate it, man. Thank you so much.
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D
Hey, my pleasure. Anytime for you guys. Thank you.
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He is so terrific. He does his jobs just so well.
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I love that. He loves it.
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Of course.
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Yeah, that's. He's a laid back.
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He's such a humble guy. Like, you know, texting with him earlier today, I. He is. He's so good at what he does. But yet when you talk to him, he's just so humble and just goes about his business so professionally and he just really was all over this. And he's right. The significance of this hire, you know, just cannot be ignored. I mean, Dan Reeves, that was big. He had gone to Super Bowls in Denver and, you know, going out and getting Tom Coughlin, who went to championship games with the expansion Jacksonville team. But, you know, this is a guy that's been a perennial winner. I know just the one Super Bowl. But, you know, when you see Andy Reid and Bill Belichick winning all the championship, there's not that many other Super Bowls not won by Kansas City or New England in recent years. Right?
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Yeah. You want this to be. You want this to have the Andy Reid kind of effect, right?
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Yeah.
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Like. And. And although at least Harbaugh does have one ring where Reed, you know, couldn't get that ring in Philadelphia. And there was like this sense of, you know, not being able to get that far. But when he goes to Kansas City. And he gets the pieces that he needs. You see the brilliance in his ability to coach. Right. So that's kind of why I always hated the phrase retreads. I can't stand that word in sports. Retreads should be somebody that they don't. They last two years here and two years here.
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And I agree. It's fair for someone who's to say.
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Coaches who have had success, you can't call them retreads. You got to call them experienced coaches. And there is something to be said about experienced coaching here.
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Can you.
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Can they at least have more than one job? This is his second job.
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Well, I know that's how.
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It's not a retread.
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Well, no, I. What. What I mean, though, is sometimes people always want to have who's the next coordinator that everybody's excited about. Because Ben Johnson did that in Chicago. He was that guy that everybody wanted.
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Yes.
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And it's proven out to be true. But there's a lot of times it fails miserably. And so while that's always the way to go, everybody wants the next McVeigh.
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Yep.
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You know, all that stuff, you're. You know, the LA, Flores, McDonald, all these guys. But I feel like certain markets like this one, especially when you've gone through what the Giants have gone through in the recent years, this. These are the types of coaches you have to go for. And that's why him, McCarthy, Stefanski, and Tomlin would have been the only people that you should talk to.
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And I know this is. This is sort of counter to what I was saying about the Giants being a real organization. No disrespect, Alan, not like the Jets. But even if. To agree with your point, Allen, even if all Harbaugh does is bring stability back, even if they don't win a championship, Don, even if he stays here.
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For four years, he just Tibetoes it.
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And for three of those years, they have a winning record, they make the playoffs twice, and they get on the right direction, and then they find that next person. At this point, they need even that. That is where they are.
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I was going to ask. And we've got that guy Thursday coming up. But at some point, I want to have the conversation of how do you define success with Harbaugh if he does give you the 10 years that Ian said, this will be his last job. According to John Harbaugh, he's 63 years old. Let's say he coaches for a decade here and then retires. Does there have to be a Super bowl there for it? To be a success, Is it just, hey, 10 years of being one of the best teams, go to the playoffs, seven out of the 10 years, win five division titles, go to a championship game, maybe go to a Super bowl, lose. Is that considered success?
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How long has McDermott been in Buffalo now? Seven.
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Question seven.
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Right, right around there.
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Has he been a Super bowl yet?
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He's not been. But.
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But you recognize, like, now he's feeling it, right? A year like this. But you recognize, though, year after year where you know what, we're always competitive.
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But. But in the eyes of the fans, I mean, these are the fans that are like, well, if Juan Soto doesn't win a. Didn't win a World Series this year, it was a failure. Like ignoring the other four. Like, we can have a conversation. If the Giants go 8, 9 next year, I'd go, who was a failure? Couldn't get him into the playoffs in his first year. You know how fans are going to be. But. Well, I just want to see a turnaround. I want to see a relevant football team that's good, that's consistently in the conversation, making the playoffs. Then we'll see. It's hard to win championships. Okay, so I want to see what it looks like at the end. But I just kind of was curious, does it have to be a ring or is it just a perennial playoff team relevancy? How would you define it?
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The Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.
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C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
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A
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. We all have that one friend I'm.
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B
Talking about the yo yos who set themselves on fire and bathe in pork.
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A
And beans or know that one person I'm here with my family who can't help but be. He's not cool.
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C
His voice is weird. He's kind of a dork. His brother's a tool. His girl girlfriend's annoying.
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D
That guy.
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B
I didn't know it was banner night. We won't be out for that.
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It's time for that Guy Thursday. Hey guys, anyone want to play some ball? Whip Don, Han and Rosenberg.
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B
He's just being that guy.
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C
Well, you guys know Thursdays come around. Oh sure, we talk about that guy.
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Yeah.
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And there's a lot of directions to go today. I think the person that we're Allen and I are interested in chatting about, I think Don as well. I think he may be on here twice.
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Twice?
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B
Who's that?
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A
Well, I don't like friendly fire and that guy Thursday really isn't meant for that.
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B
But that guy's that guy.
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There could be an exception made because that guy was being that guy today.
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I don't know if Harbaugh is a guy that Bill's culture, he's inherited culture. So I don't know. When you look at the fact Bashadi said we're going to get a coach in here and we don't care what they did somewhere else. We're going to Teach them our culture. And that's what they taught Harbaugh. This is a place where, even as a coach, you learn how to do things and embrace the way that they do things, no matter who you are. Right. So when he comes here, he. This is going to be the first time that he's going to be building a culture because he inherited one. I mean, just imagine the leadership that he inherited. You had Marshall Yonder, you had Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs, myself, you had Samari Rolle, Chris McAllister. Like, he didn't have to come in and teach us how to practice and how to be men and how to behave. That was already established and set every day here. And when I look at this, one thing I can say about the Giants current roster and what was in question last year was we questioned, did they have any leadership in that locker room?
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So keep in mind, Raven blood.
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C
Yeah, Blood in the ground.
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Takes it real personal. Right. Played for Billock. So for Bart, he's letting you know, yes, he comes from a team that, you know, just parentally successful, but don't think he created that. He's saying, we created him. But I don't understand. See, when you're trying to find something, which I feel and I love, Bart worked with him for a long time, but I know what he's about. He's trying to find something. While everybody's celebrating, while Don is talking about, you know, championship feeling, and while Dave is scatting, which he did this morning, Bart is trying to say, this is not a guy who's going to come in. And this is not a Pat Riley. We made him. But my response then would be, okay, so he learned from a great franchise, and now he knows what to do.
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C
But, but, but this should work.
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B
But all of them learn. All right, Mike Tomlin, did he create the culture in Pittsburgh or was that created by Calorin before that?
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Well, he was smart enough to continue. He came in and he can. He. He knew exactly what to do.
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B
Bill Belichick, did he build a culture, or did he just take what he was able to grab from Bill Parcells with his time with the Giants, with the jets, then with the Patriots. Did Parcells instill the culture in New England? Went to a Super bowl, lost to Brett Favre. Belichick was there. Then Belichick takes over later on. So does Bill Belichick not get credit for all those championships? Do we have to now credit parcels for building the culture?
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It's all part of the tree thing.
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B
Right, but everybody is going to get it. From somebody else, like some guys. All right, Tom Landry built a culture in Dallas.
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Is it Kyle Shanahan's offense, or is it something that he learned, I'm sure.
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B
He learned from his dad.
- [28:41]
A
Yeah, of course, like, all this stuff is that.
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B
But, you know, if you want to say, all right, Tom Landry built the culture in Dallas because he was literally their first head coach, but did he not learn from his time with the Giants before he took the head coaching and took some of those principles to Dallas and built. We all get it from somewhere. But here's what. I'll take exception to what Bart said, and it's not beating up on him because we disagree with him or I disagree with him. All right, he took over Billock's team. They go 11 and 5, they go 9 and 7. They go 12 and 4, 12 and 4 with a lot of the same players that were there. But then when it began to bottom out in 2013, after they win the super bowl, he's got to start again. 8 and 8, they go 10 and 6. Then they go 5 and 11, 8 and 8. So here's a guy in his mid-50s. You know, Billock's players are all gone, and now he's got to build his own culture. And what happens 9 and 7, 10, 6, 14, 2, 11 and 5. Like, he started to ratchet it back up again. Now, he didn't win a championship, but.
- [29:41]
C
When he won the championship, not all of Billick's guys were still there.
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A
Right.
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B
But you're still looking at it, even after going 8, 9 in 21, then 10 and 7, 13 and 4, 12 and 5. And his quote unquote bottoming out gets him fired is 8, 9 again. I'll take that. I will take 10 years of between 10 and 14 wins and, like, my chances that this team is going to be competing for a championship. But I just take exception that he didn't find a way to rebuild it, and it was a complete failure because he didn't win. And who else has not taken what they picked up or learned a culture from someplace else or were able to continue the culture? Are you going to tell me Bill Belichick's not a great coach because he inherited Bill Parcell's team in New England?
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C
Also, if you look at the Ravens super bowl over San Francisco, and who was a key part of. Obviously, Ray Lewis is still on that team. Terrell Suggs is on that team.
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B
It's.
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C
It's not Billock's team anymore. Right. That's a. That's A team that's Joe Flacco and Ray Rice, Torrey Smith, it's a totally different.
- [30:51]
B
He won in his fifth year. So you're five years removed.
- [30:54]
C
In the NFL, there were guys. There were.
- [30:56]
B
And there was a culture there, for sure.
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C
But can I tell you the part that was really the. That guy part for me, for Bart, in that thing, which was. And when I say that guy, I'm actually referring to, like, athletes, ex athletes. They do this thing where he's like, well, we already had a culture. And he starts naming all of these players as if, like, the whole world knows that these are, like, the ultimate culture. Guys. Like, once I heard the name Chris McAllister, I went, well, of course that's why the Ravens were good. It's like, dude, those were your teammates, and they were part of something special. And everyone there was good. I get it. Everyone thinks that about the group they.
- [31:30]
A
Won with, of course.
- [31:31]
C
But that doesn't remove the fact that John Harbaugh continued that thing for another 15 years. But, dude, Bart is already a radio and television veteran.
- [31:42]
A
Yeah.
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C
And John Harbaugh, his coach there for a year, is still. That was still the guy a week ago. Two weeks ago. So it's not like the worst take ever from Bart.
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A
It was just a little.
- [31:52]
C
That guy. Just a little tad.
- [31:54]
A
Yeah.
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C
Now, but there's another reason. He's more of that guy.
- [31:56]
A
Oh, really? What else happened?
- [31:59]
C
Do you want to talk about the level of your nuts?
- [32:03]
A
I mean, I am over 50, so it happened.
- [32:06]
C
It's sinking.
- [32:07]
A
It just happened.
- [32:08]
C
Talk about it.
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A
I don't want to talk about it.
- [32:10]
C
Tuesday on a Thursday. The nuts that you so feverishly enjoy from Trader Joe's.
- [32:19]
A
Well, I mean, it's.
- [32:20]
C
We're watching a decline.
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B
It's.
- [32:22]
A
It's a trail mix now. It's not just.
- [32:25]
C
It's a trail mix.
- [32:26]
A
Stuff in it filled with nuts and other things. Raisins and chocolate.
- [32:29]
B
Chocolate.
- [32:30]
A
Chocolate candy. Delicious.
- [32:30]
C
Yeah, little fake MMs, Schmemminem's.
- [32:32]
A
Whatever. They are.
- [32:33]
C
M and M's with no M's on them.
- [32:34]
A
They're temu. M and M's.
- [32:36]
C
Exactly.
- [32:36]
A
How about your nuts? Can I get some?
- [32:38]
C
And Alan buys this trail mix, and we have a cabinet that we keep.
- [32:42]
A
Some stuff in community for the show.
- [32:44]
C
For the show.
- [32:45]
A
For the show.
- [32:46]
C
And Alan the other day goes, dude, my trail mix is almost gone.
- [32:50]
A
Yeah.
- [32:51]
C
And we're kind of deducting who it could be. And he said, I'm going to test it again tomorrow.
- [32:58]
A
Bought a new bag yesterday. We only took A little bit out of it.
- [33:02]
C
We had a little partook a little.
- [33:03]
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Put it in the cabinet. And we both said, I didn't think I was gonna be here today, but this was such a monument.
- [33:08]
B
And I was not here yesterday. Yeah. Alan really stood up today.
- [33:11]
A
So you noticed it's a little light today.
- [33:15]
C
It's a little light today. And I said, alan, who do you think it is?
- [33:21]
A
Are you throwing out accusations?
- [33:24]
C
You seem to think.
- [33:25]
A
I don't put words in my mouth.
- [33:29]
C
I didn't put the words in your mouth. I heard the words leave your mouth. And the words were, I think.
- [33:36]
A
Listen again. I've spent five years with Bart, and the one thing I could tell you, along with him being hilarious and a great teammate, is that he is also America's guest, Meaning wherever he is, he's there. He's got access.
- [33:50]
C
So if he opens the cowboy and there's. And there's some trail mix, he's the kind of guy.
- [33:54]
B
I'm hungry.
- [33:55]
A
He thinks nothing of leaving the shoes on and putting them right on the couch.
- [33:57]
B
Right.
- [33:58]
A
You know what I mean?
- [33:59]
B
Yeah.
- [33:59]
C
He's Rick James.
- [34:00]
A
He's Rick James. There you go.
- [34:02]
C
Habitual lines never.
- [34:03]
A
He is a habitual lines never. But he's America's guest.
- [34:06]
C
So you think in all likelihood. Now, you worked with Rick also.
- [34:09]
A
Yes. Not as many years with Rick, but I've known Rick forever.
- [34:14]
C
You think Bart is the more likely trail mix taker?
- [34:17]
A
Wouldn't hesitate Rick. I don't think Rick would ever eat anything that was opened by someone else.
- [34:22]
C
Good point.
- [34:23]
A
Like, he. He would never.
- [34:24]
B
Yeah.
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D
And.
- [34:25]
B
And it doesn't feel like.
- [34:27]
A
I don't think he's a trail mixer.
- [34:28]
B
Bart has any regard of what he puts in his body. Because again, I keep. I keep being told that I'm wrong about this. I don't think I am. That once you open up the fret, the Frank's Red hot. You got a refrigerator. Says it on the bottle.
- [34:44]
A
It does.
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C
And he just carries it.
- [34:46]
B
He just keeps it in the studio.
- [34:48]
A
Just.
- [34:48]
B
He never puts it back in the refrigerator, Man.
- [34:50]
A
That's true.
- [34:51]
B
You're gonna get yourself sick.
- [34:52]
A
We used to call it Bart's pantry.
- [34:53]
C
Have you. Have you seen the physical specimen?
- [34:55]
B
The Bart. I understand that, but it does catch up with you.
- [34:57]
C
No, he's beating health. Health can't beat him.
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F
He's.
- [35:00]
C
It's. That's Bart Scott. He, like, whatever he puts it. He's like, don, you know how you can put garbage in the DeLorean? That's how. That's how Doc Brown eventually gets the car going. You could shove garbage anywhere. That's Bart. You could throw an empty milk carton and Bart turns it into calories.
- [35:17]
A
I get it.
- [35:17]
B
But at some point, it'll turn. I, I, I'm not a professional athlete, so that's why we got to go at a different age. But there was a time. There was a time my metabolism was a little different. Really that there was actual conversation between my parents to send me to a doctor.
- [35:35]
C
Because you had a tape work.
- [35:36]
B
They thought I had a tape work because I was eat. I was just basically open the refrigerator and just stuff everything down my throat and I couldn't get enough.
- [35:41]
A
That was me. Guess what from. Yeah, guess what. No, it's true.
- [35:45]
C
Caught up at some.
- [35:45]
B
Guess what?
- [35:46]
C
Repugnant.
- [35:46]
B
So it might. He might be.
- [35:47]
C
I saw the pictures.
- [35:49]
B
He might be 70. But. You' point. We're going to run, you know, he's going to part from the station or we'll part, whatever. And we won't see bart for like 10 years. And then we'll be at some event and we'll go, oh, my.
- [35:59]
A
A reunion. You go, damn.
- [36:00]
B
But what the hell happened to you?
- [36:02]
C
No, I'm telling you this right now. I do not think in the case of Bart, it will happen. Because if Bart. I just can't picture it. Same with Canty. The idea that if Canty ever, like, lost it and gained a ton of weight.
- [36:19]
B
But I don't see him being a garbage.
- [36:20]
C
I'll tell you why it can't happen. Cantie's too big. If that were to happen, he'd have to become a professional wrestler. He'd become a gigantic. I mean, can you imagine if, if Canty packed on, like, 75?
- [36:31]
B
But I will tell you.
- [36:32]
C
Are you kidding?
- [36:32]
A
If he did that, he'd be pushing over four.
- [36:34]
C
So you think he's already, like, 325?
- [36:38]
A
Yeah, man can.
- [36:39]
C
He's a man, bro.
- [36:40]
A
Yeah. Oh, yeah, he's.
- [36:41]
B
But you, you think have him hug Bart's gonna disappear? You think Bart's gonna end up like Banks? Banks looks like he can play today. He's gotta be 10 years old.
- [36:49]
C
I'm being serious, though. I do think Bart's like Banks that way.
- [36:52]
B
I never saw Banks.
- [36:53]
C
Can I give a shout out to my guy Banks for a second?
- [36:56]
B
Do it.
- [36:56]
C
Not Lloyd. I'm talking Carl. That's best big fan of both.
- [36:59]
A
Yeah.
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C
No, the other day, it was like our fifth show or whatever, and I knew, I knew Carl enjoyed the Morning Vehicle with myself, Ebro and Laura. He Was always, like, checked in and I knew him before I worked here just from that.
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A
Mm.
- [37:12]
C
But, yeah, he texted me mid. During our live YouTube stream the other day and was, like, loving the show today. So the fact that Carl Banks not only listened to us, we were on the radio, but has went with us on the journey on YouTube.
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A
Yeah.
- [37:24]
C
Shout out to Carl Banks, man.
- [37:25]
A
See Tessa.
- [37:26]
C
See Tessa. Carl Banks likes me. He doesn't think there's a grudge.
- [37:31]
B
He's a good man and he's the best. He. Carl Banks, he would never be on that guy Thursday, I'll tell you.
- [37:37]
C
Never.
- [37:38]
A
No.
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E
You know what?
- [37:38]
C
You need a top five one day, though.
- [37:40]
A
Top five. That guys.
- [37:41]
C
A top five. The opposite. Top five. The opposite. A top five. Like New York. Former New York players who just have, like, aged into awesome. You just love having them around in the scene kind of guys.
- [37:55]
A
CB's on that list.
- [37:57]
B
Yeah.
- [37:57]
A
I mean, John Starks.
- [37:58]
C
Starks could be there, I think. I think Victor Cruz is in the conversation. Just great, dude. Always around.
- [38:03]
B
But we're really. And again, not to devalue any of the guys you're talking about, but the fact that Banks is not from here, you know, much harder it is to do. A guy from Flint, Michigan, comes, just becomes quintessential New Yorker. Gets the. I think it's like, for Victor Cruz, it's easy, right? He grew up in New Jersey, became the hometown darling. That put him at a little bit of an advantage, right, as far as, like, winning over New York and being able to. And, you know, winning the super bowl and all that stuff, too. But for Banks to be able to do that and not be from here, but still be so quintessential New York, I think is.
- [38:37]
C
Did you ever have Victor Cruz's preseason game against the jets on a list of, like, games that made a player. Like, the moment.
- [38:48]
B
It feels like I might have done that. But that definitely was.
- [38:51]
C
Because that's up there.
- [38:52]
B
That is.
- [38:52]
C
We're all. You don't even know who the person is. And then afterwards, everyone knows who he is. And it never ends well.
- [38:57]
B
That's where we got the quote from Steve Young. Like, Steve Young's like, if you're gonna win a championship, you need a guy that in training camp, nobody ever heard of. And by the end of the season, they're buying his jersey and he.
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A
That's.
- [39:10]
B
That's him.
- [39:10]
A
Cam. Scatter. Boo.
- [39:11]
B
Matter of fact, that game you're talking about with Victor Cruz, that wasn't even the number that he wore when he played with the Giants.
- [39:16]
A
Yeah, yeah.
- [39:17]
B
Like. And now people are like, who's this guy? And then that was on. The jets were on Hard Knocks, and his Rex is like, who is this guy?
- [39:23]
A
Jeremy Lin.
- [39:24]
B
Yeah, Jeremy Lin.
- [39:25]
A
But. Right.
- [39:26]
E
Well.
- [39:26]
C
But Jeremy Lynn, it didn't.
- [39:27]
A
What was. What was the goalie? Dublowitz. Oh, yeah.
- [39:32]
B
For the.
- [39:34]
A
Guys like that, Victor Cruz is.
- [39:36]
C
If Jeremy Lynn didn't just play 14 good games, he played like six good years and won a championship.
- [39:41]
A
Great point.
- [39:42]
C
You know what I mean?
- [39:42]
A
Yeah.
- [39:43]
C
Cruz was a pivotal. Cruz scored a touchdown in the Super Bowl.
- [39:46]
B
So I had asked earlier, and I'm reminding you now at 1-800-919-3776. Define success for John Harbaugh. We just had IOC on and we asked him, you know, about John Harbaugh, and he says that this is probably gonna be his last job. And he thinks he's got 10 years. So if he spends a decade with the Giants, what would define those 10 years as successful? Quick break.
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A
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
- [42:38]
C
I didn't listen to anything you just said.
- [42:39]
A
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
- [42:47]
B
I'm seeing a lot on Twitter, hearing it today on this show, the station, and even Ian o', Connor, you know, making these predictions. I think the Giants automatically have credibility, automatically become relevant. But you know, I start hearing 10, 11 wins, maybe they'll win the division wildcard. I just pump the brakes just a bit. Can we see what the roster looks like? Can we see who's going to come back healthy? Let's see who they draft. I believe there's going to be credibility, but this is what happens in New York where all of a sudden you start setting the expectations way too high. They don't live up to these bloated expectations and then it becomes a wicked failure. Like they go 8 and 9. It's like, oh, I thought this was gonna be a 10 win team. What's going on? I don't. I think the Giants have the credibility. I think they're going to be playing relevant games in December. But I can't sit here and tell you not knowing who's staying, who's going, who's going to get hurt, what's going to happen in Philadelphia with their change at the oc? What's going to happen? How Dallas is going to retool? How's Washington going to look? I mean, is Washington going to continue what they did this past year or does Daniels come back and they just pick up where they left off, where they lost in the championship game after winning 13 games. So this still is a very, very good division. I think the Giants instantaneously become relevant and will play more competitive football, entertaining football. But I can't really honestly tell you right now what I expect in the first year it won't be a 3, 4 win season. But I can't start talking about playoffs. Can you? No.
- [44:28]
C
The only thing we know. This sounds crazy. The only thing I know about the NFC east is that Dallas will be some version of what Dallas is. They'll be pretty good. They'll be middling. They'll compete for a wild card. They'll be one of those that Dak will put up great numbers. There'll be some version of that. Philadelphia could take a step back. New offensive coordinator. Clearly a chemistry problem in their offense.
- [44:51]
A
Getting sick of each other.
- [44:53]
C
It's getting a little long on the tooth, right? We don't know. They could drop back a few games.
- [44:57]
B
The Giants even beat them last year, if you remember.
- [45:00]
C
I can't. I don't see Washington being 4 and 13 or 5 and 12 again. I really don't. I mean, I see them at least getting back to the 8, 9, 9 and 8 conversation.
- [45:09]
B
But I think what's over is the embarrassment. We're not talking about them on Halloween. Like, I think all that's over because I think John Harbaugh is that good of a coach. But how long it's gonna take, that's.
- [45:19]
C
Huge though, if you can honestly say you believe that from this hire, they immediately will be, through Thanksgiving will be talking about Giants football in a somewhat meaningful way. Somewhat meaningful way. Competing for a wild card, whatever that is a huge step forward for right now.
- [45:34]
B
Of course, before we get to the calls at 1-800-919-3776, I will ask the two non Giant fans what would be considered a success if Harbaugh's here for.
- [45:46]
C
10 seasons, what would be a success for me?
- [45:49]
B
Yeah.
- [45:55]
C
Ten seasons is a long time. Ten includes a championship. If you were to lower that number for me to five seasons, it doesn't include a championship. It means writing the ship and a few playoff appearances. That's to me what. And consistency and not being a joke and the culture sort of reflecting the Giants way.
- [46:14]
B
That fair?
- [46:14]
C
Is that a cop out?
- [46:15]
B
No, that's your opinion.
- [46:17]
C
But if you tell me it's 10 seasons and he retires and he retires and he's going to the Giant ring of fame, practically. That involves a Super Bowl.
- [46:24]
B
Allen.
- [46:26]
A
Well, Coughlin, like that. That's, you know, that's the amount of time that he spent. And he got two. Got two parcels. Eight seasons. He got two. That's your standard.
- [46:35]
B
That's the standard for sure.
- [46:37]
A
To last 10 seasons. First of all, you got to at least get to one because it means.
- [46:43]
C
Halfway through you got to somewhere early.
- [46:45]
A
On in the first five years, which is this contract, you've got to get to one. You don't have to win it, but you got to get. And then every year you're always competitive. You can't have the foreign, you know, again, you can't have the 4 and 13 and then the, you know, the 9 and 8 and then maybe a great year and then fall back to. You can't do that. Well, here's the thing and that's what I would. Baltimore was traditionally good year.
- [47:08]
B
They were didn't go to a Super Bowl.
- [47:10]
A
Pittsburgh again always had a winning record.
- [47:14]
B
Right. Just didn't, you know, Owen seven in his last seven playoff games.
- [47:18]
A
But you laugh because you always have a winning record.
- [47:21]
B
And I don't listen. Obviously if he gets fired between now and the end of the contract, it's going to be a super failure. I don't want to cop out of it. But what kind of makes it Tonka Truck a little bit is that what is Jackson Dart? Because what if Jackson Dart turns out to not be all that well then you're looking for another quarterback and now you're four or five years into a ten year tenure where you're looking for the quarterback and is that really on the head coach? If you tell me darts, the second coming of Eli Manning. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around 10 years of successful football that doesn't have at least one championship. But if he goes to three Super Bowls and loses three heartbreakers, a couple of championship games in the playoffs, eight of the of the 10 years, am I going to sit there and look at it as a complete failure? No. But I think as hyped as I am right now and you tell me we're on this air, hopefully. Thank God. God bless. That it could happen that we're sitting here in 2036 and we're coming on after the season is over and John Harbaugh is announcing his retirement.
- [48:29]
A
The kids will be graduating high school.
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B
I know. Wow. Would I consider that a disappointment if we're talking about a tenure that had no rings? I think that would be tough to take the way I feel today.
- [48:41]
A
No, you would.
- [48:42]
B
I don't know if I'd be happy in 2036. We're saying goodbye to John Harbaugh. We got them back to relevance but no rings.
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And that's how you'd probably end up putting it because that's, that's what we do in the end. We still, judge by the championships, you could say, you know, he had a good run, but you can't put him up there with parcels and not even cough because he never really. He didn't get the ring because who was chased him out of Philadelphia? We all knew he was a good coach, but it chased him out of.
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There because who do we consider great coaches in New York? Right? Joe Torrey, bunch of rings. Bill Parcell's, you know, two rings. Tom Coughlin, two rings. I mean, Pat Riley, he had rings.
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Red Holtzman, too.
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Red Holtzman. Now Pat Riley. Was he a great nick coach? He was a good nick co. I mean, they went to the finals, but he didn't win. He'd be held in a different regard had he had won in 94.
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Of course, within a fingertip of a championship. Hey, you.
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I got to tell you, Mike Keenan's got kind of a checkered past coaching. He's still revered in the eyes of Ranger fans because he slayed the dragon. He won a 94.
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It's really hard.
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Buck Showalter is probably the one guy where I think he's genuinely loved and considered a great manager that didn't win here. But usually if you're considered great, whether it's Al Arbor, just go down the list are guys that had rings or multiple rings. And if you spend 10 years here and you want to be considered a great coach, like you said, Coughlin 2. Parcells 2. That's the gold stand.
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Like David Johnson got one. Really great year.
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David Johnson got one. But again, Davey Johnson revere. That 86 team is revered. He had a lot of failures, lost his job.
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Yeah.
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Remember he got fired and Buddy Harrelson had to come in.
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Remember when you think of Mets history. Because I was just thinking about this as you're naming all these names, who would be considered the best manager in the history of.
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I think gil Hodges are 69. And the fact that they came out.
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Nowhere when I was a legend already.
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And then he dies of a heart attack in 72. That team wins in 73. So it's possible he could have or goes to the World Series in 73.
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Maybe they win it, but easily Gil Hodges that. You said it so fast.
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Well, just because 60, 80.
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That's a ghost.
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Yeah.
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Right. For sure. For every. A lot of people listening. Gil Hodges is a ghost. Red Hallsman's a ghost to a lot of people listening.
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So.
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A very long time ago.
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But that's, that's, that's a reality because it's all about winning and, and that was Gil Hodges, the one that really did set the Met standard. Right?
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Yeah.
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That's who they really. That's when they came.
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Talk about embarrassing The Mets from 62 to 68, you know, a perennial high 90s hundred loss team. And then all of a sudden, out of Nowhere, they win 100 games and win a World Series, beat the Baltimore Orioles. I mean, that's.
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Anthony just said something funny in my ear because he said it's the bowling alley in my area. Kill Hodges. Isn't there a parkway or something named after him in this area? Am I wrong? A highway, stretch of land, something.
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Yeah, but I, I think of road, but we don't.
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I don't.
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It's something, but I don't think we acknowledge it as that.
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No, of course not.
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It's.
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There's a bowling alley in Brooklyn called.
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That's what. There you go. Peter. Peter, thank you for joining the show.
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Kind of like a bridge.
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There is a bridge.
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There's a bridge. I'm sorry, it's still the Tappan Z. Tappan Z. It's happens. It's, it's, it's.
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It actually know what? It is still the Tri Burrow. The Gill Lodges Memorial Bridge is the Marine Parkway Bridge, which everyone only calls the.
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That's in Brooklyn. That's right. It's hard to Queens also goes from Brooklyn to Queens. And why Natalie's parents live, which no one knows where that is.
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That's right.
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Well, they could if you just throw it out there.
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But no one calls it the Gil Hodges Bridge.
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No Marine Parkway Bridge. The RFK Bridge is the Tribro.
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But no offense to Cuomo or Hodges, we just don't acknowledge change when it's always going to be the Tappan Z. It's always going to be the Triborough Bridge. Right?
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I agree.
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You can't still the 59th Street Bridge to me.
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I remember something being named for Gil Hodges that always stood out to me and I was trying to figure it out and Peter found it. It is that bridge that does. It's the Bell Parkway. I'm not mistaken, right?
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The Marine Parkway Bridge.
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The only name change for the belt that I would accept is hell.
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Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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I don't want to know how the.
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Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter Weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.
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