Hour 2: Jets Apathy & Fraud Alert Friday

Summary

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Podcast Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg

Hour 2: Jets Apathy & Fraud Alert Friday
Date: October 10, 2025
Podcast Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Network: ESPN New York

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Overview

Hour 2 of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast tackles two major themes:

1. Jets Apathy: The panel explores the New York Jets’ spiral into irrelevance, dissecting the uniquely apathetic attitude among fans and the implications for team leadership.
2. Fraud Alert Friday: The hosts dive into fan dilemmas about “fraudulent” fan behavior in sports, ruling on various listener-submitted scenarios involving loyalty, betting, and allegiances.

The hour is filled with spirited banter, New York sports nostalgia, and authentic debate about what it means to be a “true fan”—all with the panel’s trademark mix of humor and candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Jets Apathy & State of the Franchise

The Apathy Disaster

• The Jets’ 0-5 start, their abysmal track record in London games, and the astounding lack of fan energy are dissected. Don notes a historic low in Jets fan engagement.
• Quote – Don (09:00):

  “I’ve never in my time being around this team, I’ve seen this level of disinterest in the Jets. I mean, just flat out disinterest.”

• The fanbase, traditionally passionate regardless of success or failure, has seemingly given up. Don compares this to previous disasters ("Owen 13 from 2020") but sees a new indifference.
• Alan, a long-time observer and sometimes fan, admits to a personal disconnection from the team after Aaron Rodgers’ injury:

  “The last time I felt anything was right before Aaron Rodgers’ Achilles snapped… From that point forward, I couldn’t feel anymore.” (10:49)

The London Game & NFL Optics

• The hosts are puzzled by the NFL sending such a poor team overseas; Alan provides stats showing international games rarely reverse the fortunes of winless teams.
  – Only 1 out of 7 prior winless teams have won their international game (06:10)
• Don floats the idea of picking the Jets out of sheer NFL chaos—“Bizarro NFL”—echoing the unpredictability of recent seasons.
• The crew agrees on the Jets’ talent deficit, particularly on offense, and criticize the reliance on a single wide receiver against an elite Broncos defense (08:08).

Coaching Future & Fireability

• Listener “Black Metronome” poses: If the Jets go 0–17, would new coach Aaron Glenn get fired?
  • Don: “I could see Woody Johnson being embarrassed by 0 and 17 and making the move.” (11:51)
  • Alan: “If it looks like the discipline never gets checked… then that shows me there’s poor leadership, and maybe I’ve got a guy that’s over his head.” (13:51)
• The panel ultimately says it depends on how the team looks—if it’s consistently undisciplined and mistake-ridden, firing could be warranted.

Patience, Heritage & Fandom

• The debate turns philosophical: Does being a beloved former player (like current coach Glenn) buy more time? Alan believes Glenn’s pedigree and ties (“blood and ground in the ground”) might buy patience.

  • But, both agree, New York fans will turn quickly if no progress is visible—a contrast to recent Giants management decisions.

• Alan admits a detachment from the Jets—he can "keep it at a distance and not get emotionally involved.” (17:35) Don likens fandom to a relationship:

  “If it’s too one-sided, you’re gonna lose interest.” (18:25)

• Perspective: For young fans, the Jets’ playoff drought is nearly their entire life:

  • “You were six the last time this team went to the playoffs. You’ve spent 75% of your life watching a lousy football team.” (18:25)

Players-Only Meeting

• Discussion about a defensive “players only” meeting pre-London. Alan is skeptical:

  “When that gets out, it's because we want you to know that we're talking about it... I’d rather know [about] a team meeting after you win the game.” (19:42)

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Fraud Alert Friday

A signature segment where listeners submit sports “fandom crimes” for "trial."

Crossing Team Loyalty Lines

1. Multi-Team NHL Fandom (27:13)

   • Listener Tommy P, a Blackhawks fan, also supports the Devils and Rangers because he lives in Jersey.
   • Ruling:
     • Don: “I’m going to say no fraud… There’s no real rivalry.”
     • Alan: “Blackhawks, Rangers and Devils are just like sister wives—it’s acceptable.”

2. Betting Over on Your Favorite Team’s Game (29:20)

   • Is it fraud for a die-hard Yankee fan to bet the over, needing both teams to score runs?
   • Consensus: No fraud—“We all make business decisions… that’s not being a fraud.” Fantasy sports and betting require rooting for different outcomes.

3. Emotional Hedge: Betting on Your Rival (32:26)

   • Sox fans betting on the Yankees as an emotional safeguard.
   • Ruling:
     • Don: “If you’re happy either way, that’s fraudulent. If you’d rather lose the money, then no fraud. But if you want the money more, you’re a fraud.” (33:12–35:51)
     • Alan: “It’s blood money. You can’t wash it off.” (35:51)

4. Kids Wearing Rival Players’ Jerseys (36:34)

   • Is a parent creating a fraud by letting kids wear jerseys of random players/teams?
   • Ruling:
     • Don: “No, you make yourself a fraud. The whole jersey thing has changed over time—now it’s often just fashion.” (36:34–37:08)

5. Under-30 Yankees Fans: Can They Hold the Team to a Championship Standard Set Before They Were Born? (38:33)

   • The panel dives deep into the philosophy of inherited championship “standards.”
   • Don: “Should you celebrate all 27 [Yankees titles] if you weren’t alive for most? I think you should only be allowed to celebrate the ones in your lifetime.” (41:12)
   • Alan: “History comes with being a fan [but]... those hit way different because you experienced them.” (44:41, 48:20)
   • They agree: celebrating team history is natural, but boasting about pre-birth championships is diluted. “You can’t claim all 27, Al, is what I’m saying.”

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• “The only thing I remember you saying is you like the Giants with the seven and a half... Never made it your three point play.” – Don (03:31)
• “The Jets have one receiver. You know what? The Broncos have the best cornerback in the game. How’s that gonna work out?” – Alan (08:08)
• “It is, in a lot of ways, a relationship and if it’s too one-sided, you’re gonna lose interest.” – Don (18:25)
• “Boring money moves make kind of lame songs, but they sound pretty sweet to your wallet.” – Don, singing a bank jingle (23:58)
• “If you root for three teams equally, then you don’t have a favorite team. But he said the Blackhawks are his team.” – Don (28:16)
• “I think betting against your team is where we get into trouble.” – Anthony (30:32)
• “If you want to know where fraudulent starts: it starts because people don’t want to be depressed… you don’t have that luxury. You’re a fraud.” – Don (34:52)
• “Jerseys are fashion now. It’s not like who you like.” – Alan (36:41)
• “If you’re happy either way, that’s fraudulent... you don’t get to be good either way.” – Don (34:52)
• “History comes with being a fan of a franchise... you still celebrate the history of your franchise.” – Alan (43:16)
• “But you get a punchable face when you do that, by the way.” – Don, ribbing Alan about championship “ownership” (47:04)

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Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------| | 00:44 | Show intro, sports preview, and casual banter | | 03:06 | “Three point play” Giants pick—debate | | 05:33 | Discussion of Jets’ futility, London stats | | 08:42 | Jets fan apathy and “checked out” fandom | | 11:14 | Listener Q: Should Aaron Glenn be fired? | | 17:35 | Fandom as a relationship; keeping emotional distance| | 19:42 | Players-only meeting & public relations skepticism | | 25:15 | Fraud Alert Friday segment begins | | 27:13 | Multi-team fan loyalty (NHL scenario) | | 29:20 | Betting “over” on your team—fan integrity | | 32:26 | Betting on rivals; emotional hedging | | 36:34 | Letting kids wear various jerseys—fraud? | | 38:33 | Under-30 Yankees fans & inherited standards | | 41:12 | Inheriting championships from before your birth | | 44:41 | Debate about fan “ownership” of team history | | 47:04 | “Punchable face” joke over Yankees titles | | 49:05 | Closing banter, lighting, and “Mount Zion” metaphor |

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Tone & Style

• The episode is conversational, irreverent, and laden with New York sports nostalgia.
• The hosts blend inside jokes with deep dives; they shift easily between playful roasting and genuine sports analysis.
• Listener engagement is high, with emails and YouTube chat entries fueling spirited debate.
• The segment transitions are seamless, with the “Fraud Alert Friday” having a mock-judicial, comedic flair.

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Conclusion

This episode delivers a cathartic, honest look at the suffering and apathy of Jets fandom—highlighted by brutal stats and true confessions of detachment—all while underscoring the enduring bonds (and odd rituals) that define being a sports fan. "Fraud Alert Friday" provides comic relief and food for thought on the blurry lines of modern fandom, betting, and team loyalty.

For listeners (or readers), Hour 2 is a robust example of how sports—especially in New York—are never “just a game,” but a web of loyalty, frustration, nostalgia, and routine self-questioning. At root: It’s about caring enough to argue about what counts.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

This is the Dark Rosenberg Podcast.

[Don Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers, 402.

[Don Hahn]

In the big city. Don Hahn in Rosenberg hanging out with you until seven and we'll have some playoff baseball a little bit later on tonight. Big weekend in store for the NFL NHL. I've got my first regular season game I'm looking forward to as the New Jersey Devils will be here in Tampa to take on the Lightning. Game time is brought to you by Tullamore Due Irish Whiskey because when it's game time, Alan.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I like when he holds it.

[Don Hahn]

Allen when you look at the left side of the standings for the New York jets, what do you see?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I see a 00.

[Don Hahn]

That's what's going on today. Locally in sports you do have Tigers Mariners Game five. So that's not nothing. This has to be moves on to take on the Blue Jays and that game right here on 880 at 7:30 tonight.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's gotta be one of the last dark nights of sports in the right like because if at some point every single friggin night.

[Don Hahn]

Oh there's gonna be once, once the basketball gets going it's gonna be crazy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Why not?

[Don Hahn]

And so we got into a very interesting text thread earlier this morning because it was like 9:30 at night for Peter in Perth so he was full of it. And Alan and I were up and I was, I wasn't Doing anything. So I was texting and I didn't know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It was the most active our group chat has ever been in the history of this show.

[Don Hahn]

And you know why? Because I was participating. I was, I think I was able to move the needle because sometimes I lay out on those things. But I had nothing else to do. I had, I had free time. I didn't have screaming kids or you know, a wife screaming that I forgot to do the 100 things she asked me to do.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Geez.

[Don Hahn]

So, okay, out of nowhere, Alan Hans. Like I had the Giants as my three point play.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

I don't remember that at all.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yesterday I said it. I remember saying it. I remember everybody.

[Don Hahn]

I was hoping you were just trying to get.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Peter remembers. I said it yesterday too.

[Don Hahn]

Well, it's funny because I don't remember and Anthony doesn't remember.

[Anthony]

I don't recall this happening. Jacob.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I, I don't either.

[Don Hahn]

I just. The only thing I remember you saying you like the Giants with the seven and a half.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

Never made it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Your three point play.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Jake told you those are two different things.

[Anthony]

That's not feeling it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Nope. Two completely different things.

[Anthony]

There's a great drop from Michael K about that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What is the drop? Feeling it.

[Anthony]

Standby.

[Don Hahn]

Standby. You know, we have the drop call in.

[Anthony]

Then we wouldn't get it.

[Don Hahn]

I feel it for one point. No, that's not feeling it. That's feeling it. Feel this then. Okay.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Feel this. Yes.

[Anthony]

You don't get to see the visual of what he did when that happened.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Was there a visual to the field?

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Anthony]

And we were on.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Anthony]

At the time, if I remember correct better.

[Don Hahn]

It was good. Great times.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes. Went to.

[Don Hahn]

No, not great times.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't get to. I don't get that credit. Huh?

[Don Hahn]

No, you don't get it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, it was just. There's not, there's not a lot like this. This is a challenging.

[Don Hahn]

It's very challenging.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Challenging.

[Don Hahn]

It's a very challenging one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Speaking of challenging, this, this London experience for the jets, it just don like oh and five, three losses by six points or fewer. Which makes you like. It gives off that. The vibe of a team that's just right there and just can't figure it out or needs to just be able to finish the game. Whereas if, if you watch them, it looks like they're so far away from. Because it's a lot of self inflicted wounds. It's the penalties, it's the, the turnovers and lack of turnovers, which is still an astounding statistic because they haven't had a turnover yet or forced. When I should say, the Owen 5 just starts to reek of Owen 13 from 2020, which. It's amazing. The Adam Gase era feels like a long time ago, and yet it really wasn't a long time ago. And I had to know this because I'm like, for the NFL, you know, you're trying to sell your sport here. We're going to give you this.05, you know, team this. This garbage team. Like, do you really want to go over there and do all the stuff that you have to do when you play an international game? And it's like these. These people are just excited to see NFL. And you're like, yeah, we know we suck. Like, we suck. We're not good. Like, there's nothing really to watch here. We're not a good team. And all right, so how many times has that happened where the NFL's had to have, like, just a trash team go over and represent the league? So it's the 13th winless team to play an international game. The jets.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The eighth. Oh, and five team to play. Right. The previous seven teams, six of them have lost to go to 06.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, the number's not good.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It doesn't bode well, does it?

[Don Hahn]

No, because I was. Look, because I. Because I was thinking of taking the Jets.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Are you cr.

[Don Hahn]

Just for this reason.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Think of a reason why for this reason.

[Don Hahn]

Because it's the end.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The Broncos are just going to go out to the pub and get drunk and they're not just. They're not going to be available? What?

[Don Hahn]

Well, no, because of the fact that it's just been that type of year in the NFL where when you think something impossible all of a sudden becomes possible. Like, all right, I know there are people that like the Giants with the seven and a half, but nobody thought the Giants would kill the Eagles last night. But that's the NFL, right? Even with Lamar Jackson being hurt, you know, the Ravens being in disrepair the way that they are. So I was just going to take it for like, nobody's given the Jets a chance. It's in London. These games are usually pretty low scoring. But then I saw the number. I saw it at six and a half. I don't know if it shifted under a touchdown, but I was looking at the numbers. Teams favored by at least four points in international games are 16, nine against the spread and 19 and six outright. So, I mean, the nut. And you just gave the numbers about the 05 teams going in like it. Everything points to the jets losing this game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Don Hahn]

And everything points to the jets, you know, getting blown out. So. Yes, that, that, that made me think, you know what? Because it's been such a wacky start to the season, I'm just going to pick the Jets.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, I see. All right. So you're going to go bizarre because of that. You're just going bizarro NFL.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Like you're going to do the Costanza episode where every decision he made, he just goes, what would I. What's the opposite of what I would.

[Don Hahn]

Right. I'm a bald man, live with my parents. That's what I was thinking.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't know. But I don't know if that's. If I don't.

[Don Hahn]

Probably not a smart way to do it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I mean, first of all, the jets have one receiver. And you know what? The Broncos have the best cornerback in the game.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

How's that going to work out?

[Don Hahn]

So it doesn't.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Not great. It doesn't got guys that get quarterback in an offensive line that has been.

[Don Hahn]

Leaky, but yet the spread's only six and a half. So it's not. And it's not like the Broncos. Listen, let's not anoint the Broncos. Okay. I mean, they're, I think they're a good team. They're a playoff team. I think Knicks is going to be a good quarterback, but they do have a great defense, that's for sure. But I don't know if you've been encountering this. I know I have. I did the jets for 16 years.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And I was very fortunate that I did have some great years. 2009, 2010, going to the championship game. Herm Edwards gave us some, you know, really fun seasons to work the Jets. I feel bad for Dan. Dan's on his way. Eight, eight years. This is his eighth season doing Jets. He has not seen a playoff game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's like Bart Close Bart on Sny. He hasn't. Hasn't done one playoff post game show.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's bad because I stopped doing it in 17 and then Dan took over in 18. And it's been bad. And all those years, the good, the bad, the ugly, the coaching changes that you just said. Gay starting. Owen, 13. And I've never in my time being around this team, I've seen this level of disinterest in the Jets. I mean, just flat out disinterest when they're bad. You'll get people like mad that they're that bad. And screaming and yelling about, you know, fire this guy, fire that guy. Get rid of this player, get rid of that player.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Just fired everybody. Right.

[Don Hahn]

Or. Well, I'm just saying. Just examples of ways people cope with the losing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Like there's. They're always still interested. And then in 2020, we were talking about when they started on 13, the interest lied in. Let's root for them to lose so we can get Trevor Lawrence. And of course, what do they do to beat the Rams.

[Alan Rosenberg]

They. Two of the last three games.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. And.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And knock themselves out of getting Trevor Lawrence.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But.

[Don Hahn]

But what you're saying. My point is, is this is the first time, Alan, where I'm hearing a Jet fan base just basically say, I'm good, I don't care, I don't want to watch, I don't want to root. I'm out. Not saying everybody.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But that's.

[Don Hahn]

But I've never heard this many people have that opinion.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That. And you. You heard me before the season started. Don't. Like you knew that I wasn't getting caught up in it because I saw what was going on and I. I wasn't going to fall for the banana in the tailpipe again. Right. Like, I wasn't going to do it. The last time I felt anything was right before Aaron Rodgers Achilles snapped.

[Don Hahn]

Right. I stopped coming on the field with the flag.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I stopped feeling after that. That was an incredible moment for me where it just disconnected. It completely unplugged. Because that's when I was like, my God, they really are cursed. And I just. From that point forward, I couldn't feel anymore because I just kept saying, I don't get like, don't get your hopes up. Don't get your hopes up. But Black Metronome asked a question on YouTube.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And he said, he asked Rick this this morning. It's an interesting question, and I want to see if you can answer. If the jets go oh, and 17 this season, would Aaron Glenn get fired? And Rick this morning, his response was no.

[Don Hahn]

I have.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I have my answer. What would be your answer now?

[Don Hahn]

You're asking me to predict what would happen or what would I do?

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's a great question. I think the question was simply, would he? Because he get fired?

[Don Hahn]

I'll give you a little.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He would. He.

[Don Hahn]

You know, if it were me, I wouldn't.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But I could see Woody Johnson being embarrassed by 0 and 17 and making the move. I. I can't imagine he would just sit there and take an 017 season because remember, that would Be the first time ever. Because the Lions went 0:16. Okay. With the extra game. 0:17. I think he would be so colossally embarrassed by it that he would feel like there had to be a pound of flesh. I don't think that's going to happen. Their schedule's too easy for it to happen. I don't think it should just because I don't think that we're just starting out here, you know, they'll trip into.

[Alan Rosenberg]

A win and cost them the number one pick. But I'm joking. I'm joking.

[Don Hahn]

No, you're not. But people will look at it that way, of course, again, if. Because if you are interested, it probably is all right. Just lose out. Even though I don't think there's a generational talent to tank four. This would unfortunately be the jets plight that on a year where they might actually end up with the first overall pick. There isn't that generational talent because it doesn't feel like.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Not right now.

[Don Hahn]

Arch Manning is that. But we'll see how things can, you know, change between now and the combine. And there is. There is always a lot of movement.

[Alan Rosenberg]

There and there always is somebody that just suddenly becomes, you know, oh, you got to have this guy so good. Right.

[Don Hahn]

But I also need to see what it looks like, Alan. Like, could you make the case that if they just never get better with the penalties, never turn the opposition over, that you just say, listen, whatever your message is not working because you ran on this ticket of new sheriff in town. We're not going to tolerate this. And if you go 17 weeks, all losses and all you do is commit 10, 12 penalties a game, you lose the turnover battle, you know, minus four every game. Wouldn't it almost be justified as crazy it is to let a head coach go after one year that if you tried to sell a bill of goods. Not on my watch, and all that had happened on your watch was the exact opposite, would that almost be a fireable offense?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, again, I think you can't. So it's for black Metro. You can't answer the question without the context of what does it look like. That's how I would put it. Because of what Don saying, if it looks like the discipline never gets checked, that the same mistakes keep happening and so that. So you're just never getting better. That shows me there's poor leadership and maybe I've got a guy that's over his head. I don't want to believe that right now because Aaron Glenn has been in the league long enough and he really did climb from the bottom. This is not a silver spoon coach who's, just, because of his name, got an opportunity, is a guy that started as a scout and just, you know, grinded his way up from a guy who was a player. So I want to believe that, you know, he does know what he's doing, but he's got a lot like, he's trying to plug so many damn holes. It's. It's too much. It's overwhelming, and it's going to look bad. So I want to believe that we'll start to see evidence at some point before the season's over. But if it looks bad, you know, that's a hard. That's a hard question that everybody's gonna have to consider. But it's just too. It's too early, it's too new. And that's probably why there's a disconnect, Don. That's probably why there's that lack of. That's why there's an apathy and a lack of emotion and frustration and anger. See, on the giant side of things, they kept the coach and they kept the gm, and if they didn't have Jackson Dart and it was looking really bad, then you'd have, like a really pissed off fan base demanding change. The jets fans got the change last offseason. Now they've got to wait for that change to take, for this group to get their own people in and be able to run the team and have the team that they envision having. Because right now, obviously, this is in that transition period of someone else's players that I've got to work through and some guys that I wouldn't have on my team normally.

[Don Hahn]

Does who he is help him, Alan? Because he. Listen, he's not Dom Mattingly. I mean, there was talk that the Yankees didn't hire Dom Mattingly because they didn't want to have to fire Dom Mattingly. But he is the beloved former Jet. The whole idea of bringing him in was the blood and ground in the ground that you always talk about. Does that help him?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I do think there is something about that that does help him. I do think his. His background is. Is of a. Like, it's someone that you would not give up on that quickly. I mean, like I said, you gave Adam Gase a couple of years. I mean, you're giving that lunatic time, but, you know, you're going to get rid of a guy like Aaron Gleno. Respected coach, a respected player. And let's not discount the Bill Parcells and all this. There is A lot of Bill Parcell's influence here. There's a lot of guidance here. And I don't know, you remember, was Bill Parcells a great coach in day.

[Don Hahn]

One, 312 and one.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

But there was conversations of letting him go.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I, I'm just saying. So. But, but the smart thing was to recognize we've got something here. Let's give it a minute, right? Let's give it time. And as much as you hate it, and I hate it, but maybe that's my way of coping through the. I have to wait through the process. You have to have patience. They tell us my way of coping is to just stay disconnected. I have that luxury. I had to do this when the Knicks were bad. I didn't have that luxury because I had to, I had to do post game shows talking about players that I knew probably in most cases didn't belong in the NBA.

[Don Hahn]

That was your penance.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But I hope, I hope it pays off, man. But, but like that's, that's a reality when we work in the business. But when you are a fan of a team and it's not like your main, like, I can't give up on the Yankees, right? Like the Knicks and the Yankees are two things that, the two entities that regardless, I just, I stay with it. The Jets, I can turn it off. I have to, otherwise I'll lose my mind. And that's kind of what I've done right now. The patience part of it, I don't have to live through. I don't have season tickets, I don't have to go to tailgates every Sunday. It's not my religion. Like for some fans, I watch them, I care, I follow it, but I can just kind of keep it at a distance and not get emotionally involved. And I am there right now. I am not emotionally involved.

[Don Hahn]

It is in, in a lot of ways a relationship and if it's too one sided, you're gonna lose interest. You know, nobody wants to be with somebody where all the interest is on the one side of the table. You already go through that in sports because they don't care about you. But you're hoping that their side of the relationship is they keep you entertained, that they're giving you a reason to continue to follow them and stay in love with them. And 15 years, man, that's a long ass time, man. 15 doesn't feel that way for us because we're in our 50s and 15 years goes in a blink of an eye. 15 years, I was going on 10 years working at this radio station, for God's sakes. But for some people, if you're a 20 year old, 21, you know, today's your birthday, you turn 21 years old and you're gonna go out drinking with your buddies to celebrate your 21st birthday. You were six the last time this team went to the playoffs. I mean, you've spent 75% of your life watching a lousy football team giving you nothing. Now, what was your take on this players only meeting? Ritz Samini's tweeting out that before they left for London, Jermaine Johnson said that they, the defense, held the players only meeting, say we have to be better, we can't be the reason we lose.

[Alan Rosenberg]

First of all, as a sports writer, I loved getting the information about a team meeting. Gave me some right. I got content, I got something right about you. Loved that as somebody that since being a sports writer and that stuff, not necessary in my life and you know sports well and you know, like how it's supposed to work. When that gets out, it's because we want you to know that we're talking about it. We want you to know that we still care. We want you to know that we had this meeting to, to show you that we know this is bad and we want to fix it. I'd rather know there was a team meeting after you win the game in London, then you can say, we had a team meeting. Leaking that before the game. It's a bad look, it's a little desperate, right? So I don't love that. But the team meeting itself and why it's important and all that is because the one area of the team that should have been, that should be reliable is the defense. And they have not been that at all. Now, Jermaine Johnson's been hurt. He's got to stay on the field, let alone start taking ownership of things that are happening. So he's on the field. That's important. They need him because they don't have anybody that gets after the quarterback. Him and Will McDonald, the only two guys they got. So what do I think of it? Ask me after the game, right? Because honestly, Don, like if it's you and I and we're players on this defense, do I want to tell everybody we just had a team meeting and we're going to really give it a. We're going to try harder. It's on us to be better. Or when after the game, if you get the win, you go, well, we had a team meeting before this game. We said, enough's Enough. Which one is the better way to do it?

[Don Hahn]

It's probably better to do it, you know, mention it after the fact.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You think. Because if you lose the game and still look bad, then where do you go?

[Don Hahn]

Nobody has to know if you don't tell us. But now we're now where you go.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Don Hahn]

It's like when you say must win and you don't win. I was like, yeah. Now what we cutting off pinky toes? What are we doing here? Now, we mentioned it earlier, but in case you're just joining us, our phone lines are not working. But there's plenty of ways to get in touch with us. You can watch the chat on YouTube, you could do it on social media as well. And I was told Anthony got a ton of emails already for fraud alert Friday. That's coming up next. So we're still going to be able to do that. Have fun with that. 5, 45, we've got our pick. 6 o', clock, we got enn. We're taking up until 7 o' clock. And then at 7:30 tonight, it is going to be a pivotal game five between the Mariners and the Tigers right here on ESPN New York. This is an ad by BetterHelp. October 10th is World Mental Health Day, and this year we're saying thank you therapists. Betterhelp therapists work according to a strict code of conduct and are fully licensed in the US BetterHelp does the initial matching work for you so you can focus on your therapy goals. A short questionnaire helps identify your needs and preferences. And their 12 plus years of experience and industry leading match fulfillment rate means they typically get it right the first time. If you aren't happy with your match, switch to a different therapist at any time from their tailored recommendations. With over 30,000 therapists, BetterHelp's the world's largest online therapy platform, having served over 5 million people globally. And it works with an average rating of 4.9 out of 5 for a live session based on over 1.7 million client reviews. This World Mental Health Day, we're celebrating the therapist who've helped millions of people take a step forward. Forward. If you're ready to find the right therapist for you, BetterHelp can help you start that journey. Our listeners get 10% off their first month. Just call 250 and say the keyword timeout. That's keyword timeout. After calling pound 250, I've never felt like this before. It's like you just get me. I feel like my true self with you. Does that Sound crazy And it doesn't hurt that you're gorgeous. Okay, that's it. I'm taking you home with me. I mean, you can't find shoes this good just anywhere. Find a shoe for every you from brands you love like Birkenstock, Nike, Adidas and more at your DSW store or dsw dot com. Well, I was down on my last.

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[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Did you or someone you know participate in fraudulent fan behavior?

[Don Hahn]

I'm a fraud with a capital F.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Is your friend a fraud?

[Don Hahn]

I have been a complete and utter fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Are you a fraud?

[Anthony]

What is fraud?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let's ask Dom McGregor. Screw.

[Don Hahn]

Go scratch yourself Love Fraud alert. Friday. But because I was on the road, I did not bring my gavel. I didn't want to have to explain.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That to TS I have the gong.

[Anthony]

We have the gavel here.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, we have a gavel in the studio.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, you know what?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well done, Anthony. All over it as always.

[Anthony]

Might have to go running. Grab it from the desk. But we do have the gavel.

[Don Hahn]

Listen.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Go, go.

[Don Hahn]

Take your time.

[Anthony]

I think Jacob's got it. Jacob's got a cover.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Look at him making J. Look at him delegating.

[Anthony]

I didn't. First of all, I didn't say anything.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Don, did you notice how fast Jacob got up? What's going on there?

[Anthony]

It was that talking to from John Winthrop the Scold.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's got the gavel already.

[Anthony]

I like the idea of J. Well, first of all, Jacob is executioner of fraud. Because once Don makes his ruling, it's Jacob that gives the fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, that's true.

[Anthony]

What do we call that siren.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes, the siren.

[Anthony]

I think that's the cleanest way to do it. All right, here we go. Let's do Far to layer Friday, shall we?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let's do it.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Anthony]

This one is from Tommy P. Hi, Don. I'm a Blackhawks fan. My friends who got me into the NHL are Devils and Rangers fans. I also grew up and live in Jersey, so I attend Devils and Rangers games frequently. So I appreciate those teams. Here's how I look at it. One, Blackhawks are number one, and I will always root for them no matter what. Two, I will root for the Devils as long as they're not playing the Blackhawks or Rangers. Three, I will root for the Rangers as long as they're not playing the Blackhawks or Devils. If the Devils and Rangers play each other, I bet the over and root for myself. Is any of this fraudulent behavior? Thanks, Tommy.

[Don Hahn]

Very nice. Well, if there's anything fraudulent is the whole, like sharing love for both the Rangers and the Devils. But I think that's over because of the fact he is first and foremost a Blackhawk fan. I'm going to say no fraud. And the reason I say no fraud is because there's no real rivalry. You got to go back 100 years. The last time the Rangers and the Blackhawks had any kind of rivalry, they're not in the same conference.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Stan Makita days.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you have to go back to Bobby hall and all that. That's not. That's not. That's. That. That's back in the 50s and the 60s. So now I'm going to say no fraud. We all get into our sports the way we get into them, and we all have other teams that we like to follow as long as they're not rivals of our favorite team. So, Alan, I'm going to say no fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right. So, you know, Blackhawks, Rangers and Devils are just like sister wives, you know, it's acceptable.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Anthony]

I think by having swing that way, quote, unquote, three favorite teams. It's not fraudulent. You just don't have a favorite team. I guess his favorite team is the Blackhawks.

[Don Hahn]

No, he said it's the Blackhawks. And when the Blackhawks play the Devils or the Rangers, he clearly roots for the Blackhawks. He's a Blackhawk fan. But because he lives here, because he's got friends that are Rangers and Devils fans, he's got a special place in his heart for those teams. They're not a rival. So have at it. Now, I agree with you. If you root for three teams Equally then you don't have a favorite team. But he said the Blackhawks are his team.

[Anthony]

Here's one from Joe and it kind of goes into the end of the last one. We're talking about betting Joe D from Queen says, so happy you're on YouTube now. I missed the simulcast.

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Anthony]

I have a friend who's a diehard Yankee fan however watching a game with him a few weeks ago, he tells me he bet the over on the Yankees game. Knowing how passionate he is about the Yankees. I said how can you bet the over on a game with your favorite team involved? This means you need the opponent to score runs also. And no die hard fan should be rooting for the opponent to do well. Claims he's only rooting for the Yankees to score. But placing an overbet on the game indicates you're not as die hard a fan as you claim if you need the opponent to also score. Is my friend being a fraud or shall this behavior be allowed?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Very interesting.

[Anthony]

And then knee by football rules which shout out Billy Madden.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I'm gonna say no fraud. I agree and here's why. Because we all make business decisions right now. I could totally see him saying, you know what, I think the Yankees are gonna kill him. I'm gonna bet the over. So let's say I don't know what's a typical over in a baseball game? Maybe seven and a half, eight and a half.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Usually not that crazy to think that the Yankees who have the best offense in baseball, that score, that hit more home runs than any other team in baseball could put up a nine spot and and cover is over. So we make business decisions in fantasy, in our bets, in pools and stuff at work. I'm going to say no fraud.

[Anthony]

If you have a fantasy team, you have to root for teams that aren't your team more often than not.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But once again you're rooting for you in this case. So you're also being smart. If you know your team, your favorite team sucks on defense or has bad pitching or whatever bad bullpen you do, you do, you're going up against a high powered offense, you generally will take the over. Knowing I know my team and I want to do, I want to win so we got to outscore them and I think it's going to be a high scoring game. That's not being a friend.

[Anthony]

I think betting against your team is where we get into trouble. Yeah, that's about emotional hedges and props.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I do that a lot.

[Don Hahn]

You're making a business decision now. I Think you're a. If you're a fantasy player. And I, I never. I'm a giant fan. So I, I never, never pick any cowboys or commanders or Eagle.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Then what are you even playing for?

[Don Hahn]

What are you doing?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, exactly.

[Don Hahn]

You're donating money every year. That's just stupid. And I don't think that being a fan means you can't bet and you can't play fantasy sports. That's silly too. So when you're making business decisions, I'm with Alan. Is that sometimes knowing your favorite team is a way to parlay that in the cash.

[Anthony]

This is an interesting one from Robert. I'm a die hard Yankees fan, born on Long island but currently exiled in Boston. I'd like to know more about that story.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Exile?

[Anthony]

Yeah, that sounds interesting.

[Alan Rosenberg]

How do you get exiled? Is that zipper key?

[Anthony]

As such, I've somehow accumulated a few friends who root for the Red Sox. For years these so called Sox fans have been betting on the Yankees in the postseason even when the Sox aren't playing, claiming it's an emotional hedgehog. After four years of Sox irrelevance, they finally got meldy after game one of the wild cards citing their supposed recent dominance over the Yankees championships with the self awareness of a toddler in a mirror. Naturally I made tr. Sinatra was playing loud and clear after game three when the wildcard ended, their tune became we weren't even supposed to make the playoffs. While still collecting and boasting their winning Yankee bets. After the alds, they kept talking trash, proudly sharing their losing slips like badges of honor. Don, is this fraudulent fandom? Does betting on your rival expose your true pathetic allegiance? Is bragging about losing money because your rival lost the peak of knuckle dragging delusion? You would have to pry the cashew out of my cold dead hands before I ever bet on Boston. I look forward to your ruling and rest assured I will be forwarding it to Boston's own Tom and Nolan. Whether you find them innocent or guilty, feel free to address them directly if you wish.

[Alan Rosenberg]

This is nuanced.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it's very nuanced.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I like this.

[Don Hahn]

I don't. I don't feel that it's fraudulent.

[Anthony]

Are you, Alan, betting against the Red Sox when they're playing the Yankees? That is the emotional hedge.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But yeah, it's the emotional hedge.

[Don Hahn]

I've never done it, but I don't now. What it comes down to is ultimately what makes you happier. Winning the money or losing the money. Right?

[Anthony]

You're not.

[Don Hahn]

If you. If losing the money is still Your end game, then that's not fraudulent. But if you're sitting there happy you won, then I'd have to say you are a fraud. Because you were. You. You wanted the money more.

[Anthony]

You're cushioning the blow if the Yankees do win.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Anthony]

My Red Sox lost, but I also just made some money.

[Don Hahn]

Now, it is gutless. It's spineless. I get that. But is it fraudulent? Does it make you less of a fan? Or is it just a good business decision, by the way?

[Anthony]

Gutless, Spineless. Some people might see that as worse than fraud, right? Depends on who you are.

[Don Hahn]

It is gutless. It is spineless. But in some circles, it could be, hey, I'm gonna be upset they lose, but we had this conversation, and it's great then. At least I made some money off of it.

[Anthony]

You seem hesitant about it, Alan.

[Don Hahn]

I'm gonna say no. Fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, you're the. Yeah. You're the judge. Jury in execution.

[Don Hahn]

With the information that I have, Alan, I'm going to assume that they'd rather have lost the money than won the money. If you could prove to me they were happy that they won the money, then they're a fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, let's see. You're happy when you lose the money because your team won, which is more of the genuine happy, Right? The happy that you got the money is like a wicked happy, which is. No pun intended. I'm not trying to be, like, you know, wicked happy. Like, I'm not trying to do Boston, but it's like, you know. You know what I mean? There's so. There's a wickedness to it. It's an evil to that happy. It's. It's. It's like, you know, it's preying off of the pain, so I still benefit.

[Don Hahn]

I think. I think Anthony said it best. It's cushioning the blow.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, that's. Yeah.

[Anthony]

As long as you're not rooting for the bet to win.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's cushioning.

[Don Hahn]

That's what?

[Anthony]

I don't know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Happy, though. See, you could cushion the blow and still be kind of like, OD some sucks. My team lost, but I got a couple of bucks. But it's more of if you're happy about it. There's a wicked wickedness to that. That's awesome.

[Don Hahn]

Or I'm happy either way. Happy either way, to me, would be fraudulent. Where it's like, now. I'm just. What I'm doing now is I'm good no matter what. And if that's your end game. No, you don't get to be good either way. That's where fraudulent. If you want to know where fraudulent started started. Fraudulent starts because people don't want to be depressed. Like what Andrew Gunling went through yesterday. One of the worst sports days in the history of Philadelphia. Right. He's downtrodden right now because his Eagles lost to the. The hated Giants and. And the Phillies are out on a ridiculous play we'll get into a little bit later on in the show. Right. But because you bet for multiple teams, you're like, I'm good either way because I don't want to suffer. No, no, no. You don't have that luxury. You're a fraud. So kind of cushioning the blow and that's one thing. But if it's like, hey, I'm good either way, my favorite team wins or I win a bunch of money so that you're betting so you're putting yourself in a position not to be disappointed makes you a fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Russell on YouTube says it's blood money. It is how you feel about blood money.

[Don Hahn]

Still worth as much, but it's blood. Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Can't wash it off, Don. Can't launder it.

[Anthony]

Got another one here from Neil. 59, living in North Bergen County, New Jersey. I root for the Mets, Giants and Devils and was a big Dave Kingman fan.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wow. Me too.

[Anthony]

I hate the Yankees, Cowboys and Eagles. And Chase Utley.

[Don Hahn]

Okay.

[Anthony]

I have three sons who had no choice but to wear the jerseys I gave them. By the time my youngest son came along, he wanted to wear all different kinds of jerseys. Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Christian McCaffrey and so on. Which I allowed. The question is, did I make him a fraud?

[Don Hahn]

No, you make yourself a fraud. He might have influenced it.

[Anthony]

I think the whole jersey thing has changed over time.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah. Jersey's fashion now. It's not like who you like. Just ask Jake. Jake matches his Dodgers with his sneakers. He hates the Dodgers. He's a Mets fan. But he wears a Dodgers hat because it matches his sneaker. Yes.

[Don Hahn]

I haven't won a Dodgers hat since I come my hair.

[Alan Rosenberg]

First of all, we have to leave that alone.

[Don Hahn]

Jacob, you're kind of a mess.

[Anthony]

What is it about a mess?

[Don Hahn]

A mess when it comes to me? Well, we're, you know, wearing his bull hat. Like he's got a lot of stuff.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right, Right. So called Knicks fan, but he's got a Bulls hat.

[Don Hahn]

But I think Alan's right. Like, does anybody really think that Snoop Dogg was rooting for the Penguins? And when he had the jersey on and Gin and juice.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, wow.

[Don Hahn]

How many points did Kevin Stevens have last night? Snoop? I missed the game.

[Anthony]

You know what? I wouldn't put it past Snoop that he might know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Wait, wait. Domino likes the Sharks? I didn't know he liked hockey.

[Anthony]

I think we've got time for one more. This is an interesting one from Sean.

[Don Hahn]

Okay. I like interest.

[Anthony]

I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna read it exactly as it's written. I am employing the fraud master, Sex A Don to rule on the fraudulence of the.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Listen, excuse me.

[Anthony]

I don't know what Sex A Y is. Anybody in YouTube can help me out. That's what it says. Okay. Fraudmaster Sexe Don to rule on the fraudulence of the. Entitled Under 30 Yankees Fans with the following supporting evidence to support my claim. I was born in December 1996, so my earliest playoff baseball Yankee memory is lost. To Anaheim in 2002. The postseason has been a house of horrors in my entire life, with the exception of 09. And I don't remember the heroics of the late 90s, apart from rewatching old VHS tapes in a basement in silence with my dad. Kind of my experience.

[Don Hahn]

The most part, yeah.

[Anthony]

Yet we have to hold this team to a standard that even the Almighty Jeter & Co. Couldn't uphold in 2002, 2003, 2004, Etc. This is the question. And this. This could take the whole show.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Anthony]

Is it fraudulent to hold a team to a standard that you weren't even alive to witness?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh. Oh. I. I don't know, Don, if you are qualified to answer this, but interesting.

[Don Hahn]

Wait a minute.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't think you're qualified for this.

[Don Hahn]

Wait a minute.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think this.

[Anthony]

Throwing the judge out.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think this is an in house conversation. This goes to the kangaroo court.

[Anthony]

That'd be a topic on the show.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Even this has to be moved to. To this. To the local district circuit.

[Don Hahn]

This is. This is this. We'll answer this when we come back because there's too much to say here for both myself and Alan.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Because this is a question that I've asked. Not this exact question, Alan, but a facsimile of this question I've asked before. And I think it's worth diving into further.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Let's go.

[Don Hahn]

If you'll indulge me.

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[Don Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

I've asked this question a few times in my lifetime, okay. And I think it's along the same lines as the, the fraud question we got in the last break. And that is, do you get to celebrate the standard that was set before you were born was the question that the, the emailer had. And I've always wondered, as a Yankee fan, do you get to celebrate all 27 when you weren't alive? For, for most of them, like Alan, you were born, what, 72?

[Alan Rosenberg]

71.

[Don Hahn]

71. So in my mind, you should only be allowed to celebrate the championships of your lifetime. Why do you get credit for? Because, because otherwise you could just say, I'm gonna, I'm gonna pick that team because they got a bunch of championships. Right? I mean, you should be able to stick your chest out for the championships that happened in your lifetime or that you remember, right. So you could take Pride in the 27 Yankees that happened, that happened 70 years before you were born.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Interesting. So as an American, then the only years I can celebrate are, you know, the bicentennial and through the 80s into the 90s. So I, I, I get no credit. So really, my war record's not very good. Like, I'm, I'm a 500.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I don't want to get overly, you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Know, I mean, like, what. But what are you. Like, like history comes with being a fan of a franchise. When a franchise has a long history. Obviously, if you're a fan of the San Jose Sharks, which by the way, second reference to the Sharks today, congratulations to them. But like, they started in the early 90s. There's. There's not a lot of years there. But it just so happens that one of my team, like, like the Islanders, they were born a year before I was like. So that's it. Like, it's, it's not an. It's not an old franchise, but you still celebrate the history of your franchise. You still. It.

[Don Hahn]

You're celebrating the history of your franchise. I get it. Because it's a part. It's a part of who they are.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, it tells the story, but it adds to whatever it is that is attracting you to it. You walk into a place and you got banners everywhere. If you're a Celtic fan, like, that's part of being a Celtic fan is the history of success.

[Don Hahn]

But then I would suggest. No, no. If that's the case though, then that would suggest that as a New Yorker, that you. You chose the Yankees over the Mets because the Yankees had more championships. That's not exactly a great way.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, no, no. Don't twist to choose a team. Don't twist it. Don't twist.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, I'm not, I'm not. I mean, the collective. You.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I understand, but it doesn't mean that's why you chose some. It's family. It's just everybody in the family, there's a Yankees fan. Whatever it is, like that is. That's a choice that is made. But the, the being a Yankees fan for me wasn't. I was seven years old. I had no idea that there was this history. What I saw was the late 70s teams was just. There was something just had hit at the right time. The 76 team and the Chambers home run that led to 77 and 78 between Reggie Jackson and Bucky. Like, it was just. For me, I was caught up in that. Even though in my house they were Mets fans. So it's. It's a. It's just different.

[Don Hahn]

No, I just. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer here to me, because.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, no, no, there is. The wrong answer is to say that you can't claim the championships that came before your time. I don't understand that. It's all part of the history of the team you root for.

[Don Hahn]

Here's the nuance. I'm a Giant fan. Right. So My championships are 86, 90 07, and 2011. Those are my championships as a Giant fan.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And those are Super Bowls.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. I don't know. 56. I wasn't alive. That was 12 years before I was born. But my dad was a senior in high school. My dad left me the yearbook of that season. He told me stories about him going to those games with his dad, so it became mine. I inherited that. Okay, so 56 should count. Um, should 27 count when nobody in the Lagra family was even on American soil when it happened? Doesn't. I don't claim that, like, so same with Yankees. Like, hey, I'm sure, you know, there are people out there that have fathers or grandfathers that told them about the 56. Don Larson perfect game. They might have watched it or at that game, or they remember the championships from football, the 40s, whatever. Yeah, but, you know, but some of them, it's just like.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's.

[Don Hahn]

It's just part of. It's part of the history that I guess you take by becoming a fan of that team. But pumping your chest for a championship that happened before any of your ancestors were even American, that seems a bit of a stretch. So I think some you do inherit and some just don't. So. So to. You can't claim all 27. Al is what I'm saying, is a Yankee fan.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Why? It's. It's in the history of the franchise I root for.

[Don Hahn]

Some of them were just.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But no, I care enough. Look, you see the books behind me. I care enough to read as much as I can about the history of my teams. And when you know the history enough and you feel. You feel good about, like, these. That you know the stories. And once you know all the stories, I think that just becomes part of the fandom.

[Don Hahn]

All of it's definitely part of the fandom. But it starts to get diluted when you start arguing, like, championships that were better that you never saw or nobody in your family ever saw. I. So. And it's tough comparing it to the history of.

[Alan Rosenberg]

There's so many of them that we've seen a lot.

[Don Hahn]

But. But there you. I. You get a punchable face when you do that, by the way.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I do.

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I can't help it. I've tried to change it. I look in the mirror and I'm like, stop having a punchable face. But it's like. You know what I mean? It's really, like, the first thing I.

[Don Hahn]

Think of, like, we have 27. You're like, yeah. We have 27 champions. The Yankees have 27 championships, and you're a fan of the Yankees. But you. Well, in all honesty, technically, to me, the real only have.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I have 07. I never wore the uniform. I've, I, I don't get into that. That's.

[Don Hahn]

That's garbage. That's garbage. You know, there weren't fans. There wouldn't be any. There wouldn't be any players to have.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You to wear uniforms. I watched them and I root for.

[Don Hahn]

That's great, but we're important. No, no, no. Fans are an important part of the process, buddy, because without us, there is no money, there's no uniforms, there's no stadium, there's no game. All right, so we may not have won those championships, but in some way, shape or form, we certainly participated in them. And for me, you know the history. And you claim the 27 championships because that's your favorite team, but your championships technically are 77, 78.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

96, 98, 99, 2000 and 2009.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, there's a lot there and I'm happy with that.

[Don Hahn]

And honestly, what. Those hit way different because you experience them.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You read about the 27 Yankees and. Yeah, but that doesn't feel the same as, as the 77 when you were.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yes, it definitely doesn't hit the same because I didn't. I barely knew what was going on.

[Don Hahn]

So can we at least admit that as you claim your championships, nobody thought they could win? They're. They're not all equal.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Dom. When you're, when you're in that light and your white hair is luxuriously glowing in that beautiful light you have going right now, you have this like, godlike appearance in a way that I'm almost like now just finding myself just saying, yes, sir.

[Anthony]

Does it.

[Don Hahn]

That I'm saying, does it make my opinions win you over? Does it make my opinions more valuable?

[Alan Rosenberg]

It almost like you've disarmed me to a point. Now I just want to listen more to, like, the wisdom that you want. I'm really bringing the tablets down from Mount Zion anytime soon. That's a beautiful day here.

[Don Hahn]

It's. It's 86 degrees. It's gorgeous down. Of course, my full day off is going to be in Columbus on Sunday.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Congratulations.

[Don Hahn]

Columbus on Columbus Day. But listen, these are first world problems. But I've been struggling with the lighting because if I put the shades up, then it's too much sun and if I close the shades, then it's too dark.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, I love it.

[Don Hahn]

You're.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You're good right now. You're glowing.

[Don Hahn]

You're gonna be going through this soon.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Absolutely. I will be. I'm looking forward to it. But I just. Because you are in this mode where you're telling me how life is, I win. I want you now to come down from Mount Zion with the tablets and give me the rest of the commandments.

[Anthony]

On being a I think we did that last week.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, we did.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, we did do it last week.

[Don Hahn]

That was an awkward conversation. Let's not do that again.

[Alan Rosenberg]

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