Hour 2: Jets Coaching Search Expands

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg - "Jets Coaching Search Expands"

Date: January 27, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg (absent, traveling)
Featured Contributors: Anthony Pusick, Listeners Subi & Eric
Episode Theme: The state of the New York Jets’ coaching search, organizational dysfunction, fan frustration, and reflections on media & sports history.

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Overview of Main Theme

This hour focuses on the expanding chaos within the New York Jets' coaching staff, the ramifications of widespread firings, the challenges of attracting top coordinators, and the deeper existential frustration of being a Jets fan. The hosts also branch into broader topics like the decline of traditional journalism and a nostalgic look at Super Bowl history, highlighting the intersection of sports, media, and fan emotion in New York.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jets Coaching Carousel: Mass Firings and Uncertainty

• The Jets have widespread coaching vacancies: offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, position coaches, and several assistants ([01:05]).
• Aaron Glenn, the Jets’ head coach, remains despite the purge, solely because of his contract’s remaining four years and full guarantees, not performance ([01:19], [05:19]):
  • "You're telling me everyone's at fault but him? Or is it everybody else is expendable because they're not, you know, guaranteed money and have long years left on their contract?" — Alan Hahn ([01:41])

2. Staffing Woes and Candidate Reluctance

• Frank Reich rumored for offensive coordinator; Wink Martindale floated for DC, but top candidates express hesitation due to Glenn’s shaky status ([04:49], [05:19]):
  • "If I'm Jim Leonard, I'm like, I don't want to go to the jets, and this guy gets fired and I'm out the door with him." — Alan Hahn ([05:19])
  • "Frank Reich probably is attracted to it because of the unstable ground that Glenn's on, and all the other candidates maybe don't want it for that reason." — Alan Hahn ([05:37])
• Public acknowledgment of hiring failures is seen as both admirable and worrisome—a sign of humility, but also of concerning misjudgment ([09:06]).

3. Philosophy: Delegation vs. Micromanagement

• Debate about whether Glenn should delegate playcalling (like John Harbaugh) or stubbornly maintain control ([06:53]):
  • "I didn't like a report... Glens wants to be involved in playcalling on defense, there's your first mistake." — Anthony Pusick ([06:53])
  • "What we learned from Glenn this season is he was overwhelmed... There was too much happening for Glenn as a head coach to worry about everything else." — Anthony Pusick ([07:23])

4. Existential Jets Fan Pain: “Hate-Watching” and Futility

• Callers (Subi, Eric) express deep-seated pain, considering “hate-watching” and even rooting for the team to lose to force a regime change ([10:52]–[13:19]).
  • "Why can't we hope that Aaron Glenn chooses to be on Hard Knocks and we should see a comedy show every week filming him..." — Subi ([11:06])
  • "It's almost like you're a madman now and you're in the straitjacket in the padded room and you're just chuckling and giggling..." — Anthony Pusick ([14:54])
• Hosts challenge the logic of rooting for tanking, noting that losing has not fixed anything for the Jets ([14:21]):
  • "Owen-17 does not fix ignorance... Your team is dumb. It's functional dumb. So Owen-17 is not gonna matter." — Alan Hahn ([16:08])

5. Ownership as the Root Issue

• Woody Johnson’s leadership is depicted as fundamentally flawed, undermining any reset or draft strategy ([18:52]):
  • "Woody Johnson is a good person... But the football acumen's not there, and it's not working." — Alan Hahn ([20:19])

6. Fan Trauma and Generational Suffering

• Decades-long pain is discussed; the sense that "Jets pain" is unique and epic in the New York sports landscape ([22:19]-[23:17]):
  • "Jet fans suffering. Not Met fans, not Islander fans, not Knick fans. They've all suffered in their own way... This is epic." — Alan Hahn ([23:19])

7. Journalism’s Decline and Distrust of Media

• Anthony and Alan lament the gutting of traditional newspapers—the Washington Post not sending reporters to the Olympics is a symbol of broader media decay ([24:58], [26:03]):
  • "It concerns me a lot that a newspaper like the Washington Post feels like it is really starting to circle the drain..." — Anthony Pusick ([27:58])
• The move from thorough investigative journalism to polarized and shallow online content is mourned by both hosts and listeners ([45:58]):
  • "It's not reality. It's what they want you to see... Journalism has just died." — Eric, listener ([44:26])

8. Nostalgic Look: Super Bowl 25 (Giants vs. Bills)

• 35th anniversary of “wide right” discussed, reframing the narrative around Scott Norwood’s infamous miss ([29:35]):
  • "How in God's name can the K gun offense with that much time only get a 47 yard field goal attempt?" — Alan Hahn ([31:00])
  • "If you want a goat, it's the Bills offense and Jim Kelly the K gun..." — Alan Hahn ([30:12])
• The hosts recall family memories, the true meaning of “signature plays,” and how the culture of blame often misses the true story ([34:31], [43:38]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 01:19 | Alan Hahn | "You're telling me everyone's at fault but him? Or is it everybody else is expendable because they're not, you know, guaranteed money and have long years left on their contract?" | | 05:19 | Alan Hahn | "If I'm Jim Leonard, I'm like, I don't want to go to the jets, and this guy gets fired and I'm out the door with him." | | 06:53 | Anthony Pusick | "I didn't like a report that I saw over the weekend that said that Glenn wants to be involved in play calling on defense, there's your first mistake." | | 09:06 | Alan Hahn | "I do think there is a talent and a character enhancer, if you will, to someone that can admit they made a mistake..." | | 12:16 | Anthony Pusick | "If they have another debacle of a season, that the Mannings would have any interest in sending the next Manning into the league to play for this franchise? There's zero percent chance of that happening. Zero."| | 14:54 | Anthony Pusick | "It's almost like you're a madman now and you're in the straight jacket in the padded room and you're just chuckling and giggling because it just keeps getting worse and worse." | | 16:08 | Alan Hahn | "Owen-17 does not fix ignorance. I don't know what may be air. I don't care. ... Your team is dumb. It's functional dumb. So Owen-17 is not gonna matter." | | 18:52 | Alan Hahn | "Woody Johnson, JetBlue." (re: ownership meddling and failed decisions) | | 20:19 | Alan Hahn | "Woody Johnson is a good person. He really is a good per. I like him. ... But the football acumen's not there, and it's not working. So hate, watch, lick, watch, eat, watch, feed, watch. Whatever you want to call it, don't watch. That's what I would suggest you do." | | 23:19 | Alan Hahn | "Jet fans suffering. ... This is epic. This is epic. And I feel bad. I honestly feel bad." | | 27:58 | Anthony Pusick | "It concerns me a lot that a newspaper like the Washington Post feels like it is really starting to circle the drain now with this latest thing. And I worry about it, I do..." | | 44:26 | Eric (listener) | "It's not reality. It's what they want you to see. And I feel bad. Alan, journalism has just died. It's just died." | | 31:00 | Alan Hahn | "How in God's name can the K gun offense with that much time only get a 47 yard field goal attempt?" |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Jets Coaching Turmoil and Aaron Glenn's Status: [01:03]–[06:53]
• Coordinator Candidates, Hiring Dynamics: [04:49]–[06:53]
• Fan Therapy: “Hate-Watching” and Callers: [10:52]–[16:08]
• Ownership & Historical Dysfunction: [18:51]–[21:21]
• Don and Alan Discuss Journalism/Media Decline: [24:58]–[28:40], [44:26]–[47:08]
• Super Bowl 25 Anniversary—Re-examining “Wide Right”: [29:10]–[37:48], revisited [40:38]–[43:47]
• Listener Reflections on Print Media: [44:26]–[47:08]

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Additional Highlights

• Alan and Anthony offer both empathy and tough love to Jets fans, recognizing generational trauma while also pushing back on fatalism.
• Deep nostalgia for the print news era and for Super Bowl moments—contrasted with present-day cynicism.
• Discussion about the grind and exhaustion of air travel for international sports coverage (light moment, [38:39])
• Minor Knicks and Devils scheduling update at the top ([00:14]), with Peter Rosenberg noted as absent—traveling to Saudi Arabia ([38:01]).

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Tone & Style Observations

The show blends blunt honesty, gallows humor, and heartfelt nostalgia. The language is conversational, candid, commiserative—often self-deprecating and wry in characterizing the Jets and media woes. The dialogue is rich with metaphors and sports analogies (“vibrating football game,” “airing of grievances”), capturing both the pain and camaraderie of sports discussion in New York.

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For the Listener Who Missed It:

• The Jets are in full-blown rebuild, not out of vision, but out of necessity and dysfunction.
• The head coach persists due to contract, not success, while the staff is gutted.
• Top coordinator candidates are wary—no one wants to be a temp for a doomed regime.
• Despair dominates Jets fandom. “Hate-watching” is recast as a symptom, not a solution.
• Ownership is the consistent root of the problem—regime changes and draft picks are not a cure-all.
• Alan and Anthony mourn the death of real journalism and the rise of polarizing, bite-sized media.
• The 35th anniversary of Giants' Super Bowl XXV is a springboard for discussion on the randomness of sports history, blame, and memory.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Alan Hahn]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

In the big city. Don Han and Rosenberg with you till 6:30. Because of the fact that Alan and I have our Nick and Devil obligations, Dan Grass is going to slide in at 6:30 and finish up the show for us. And then at 7 o' clock he'll begin the pregame for the Knicks and the Kings over at Madison Square Garden. So you got that to look forward to. We got to talk about a Tuesday coming up at 4:30 and it's 6 and it's an Anthony Pusick led vehicle, which we appreciate.

[Anthony Pusick]

Hell yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Did you see the Rich Samini tweet?

[Anthony Pusick]

Which one? He's been busy.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, he's a busy man of course. And he's applying all the Jet fans for what feels like centuries information on what's going on with this team and everything. And I want to be able to read it to you because I think it puts everything into perspective. What's going on with the jets right now?

[Anthony Pusick]

Oh, the Help wanted.

[Alan Hahn]

Help wanted.

[Anthony Pusick]

I have.

[Alan Hahn]

Jets have coaching vacancies at offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator, passing game coordinator, quarterbacks, defensive line, linebackers and assistant defensive backs, Defensive assistant number two.

[Anthony Pusick]

Oh, wow.

[Alan Hahn]

Now I have been an advocate of. Aaron Glenn isn't going anywhere. And the reason why I've said that is why I'm going to double down here. He still has a job because he's got four years left on his contract.

[Anthony Pusick]

Correct.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it. Fully guaranteed has nothing to do with performance because they let go of everybody.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

You're telling me everyone's at fault but him? Or is it everybody else is expendable because they're not, you know, guaranteed money and have long years left on their contract and they're easily replaceable. That's why Glenn still has a job. That's why Allen and I and Peter said he wasn't going anywhere. So all the people saying that he should be fired should be one and done. Not going to happen. Could it be two and done? Absolutely. Because Alan, you've covered sports long enough to know that when the lieutenants get fired, who's next?

[Anthony Pusick]

Right? Yeah. Yeah. So the general.

[Alan Hahn]

Exactly.

[Anthony Pusick]

Like I feel like there's two ways that I felt about what he's doing. The first thing is I admire the fact that he recognizes that I hired a really bad staff of people that weren't ready for these jobs that we were not Good. Because our coaching was not good. Less about our players and more about the fact that we as a coaching staff were not good. And so he wanted to upgrade. I need more experienced people. I need to get a better coaching staff in here. Tanner Angstron, as I told everybody, they couldn't get an offensive coordinator. Nobody wanted the job. And he went to Tanner Angstrom because he worked with him in Detroit. And Angstrom wasn't even a coordinator. He never called plays in his life. And what you saw during the season is he was completely overwhelmed. He was trying to force a system, the only system he really knew, onto Justin Fields, who didn't have the accuracy to play. That Jared Goff kind of system. They play in Detroit.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Anthony Pusick]

So you gotta recognize something that's a problem and fix it immediately rather than try to act like, oh, no, we're gonna be better in year two. And like a lot of times people almost double down on their decisions. Cause they don't wanna look like they made mistakes. He is admitting, I didn't hire a good staff. I gotta do better. And what we're hearing is Frank Reich is a possible candidate for the offensive coordinator position. Now that it's available, they have to obviously open up the hiring process to include minorities. So it's not something they can do right away because Angstrom wasn't supposed to go anywhere. But he probably said, wait, you're bringing in somebody that's effectively going to replace me? Yeah, that's not really the job I was hired for. And so they parted ways. That's why he's no longer there. Now. Who they get as a defensive coordinator is a bigger concern to me. But let's just keep it at that surface right now before we go any deeper. You want to make sure you hire your coordinators, then let them hire their coaches or you collectively work together. So you're firing everybody because, you know, I'm bringing in a new OC and a new DC and I'm going to let them have their own people. So is this a new broom? Sweeps clean. Is this, I've got to upgrade our coaching staff if we're going to be better next year. I like it, but I still have to see now, does anyone still want to work here? And in the case of, like, Jim Leonard, who I thought would have been a perfect former jet and up and coming, rising kind of defensive coach who could have had his first experience as a dc, he instead is, I believe, going to the Bills, right?

[Alan Hahn]

That's what it looks like.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah. So you lost him, which Leaves Wink Martindale, who's very experienced, who wants to coach and get back in the league, right? But if Aaron Glenn thinks that he's going to put his fingerprints on the defense, you're out of your mind. You got to know Wink Martindale. He doesn't operate like that. So that's. I'm curious to see that side of it. But if you're Frank Reich, Donny, you could say, I'll take the job. Because this dude, if he fails, they'll probably end up getting rid of him. And I've coached before. I. I wouldn't mind getting another crack.

[Alan Hahn]

See, when you look at this is what the DC and the OC have in common is, all right, what's the longevity of the head coach here? You know, if I'm Jim Leonard, I'm like, I don't want to go to the jets, and this guy gets fired and I'm out the door with him. That's fair, because I don't think Jim Leonard right now has aspirations to be a head coach right away.

[Anthony Pusick]

Not yet.

[Alan Hahn]

Same thing with Wink. Wink's just trying to get back into the league, Right. He had to go to Michigan after he got let go by the Giants. So I don't think he wants to be a head coach either. At least not for, from what I understand, Frank Reich, on the other hand, he's a guy that might be apt to take it because Aaron Glenn's on shaky ground and he's thinking, I could end up swooping in and becoming the head coach of the jets if it doesn't work. If it works out, great. I'm the offensive coordinator on a team that's winning and a chance to go to the playoffs, but it ends up falling apart and they're 1 and 7 to start the year. Guess who everybody's going to be calling to be the new head coach of the team, and it might be me, and this might be my way back in to be an head coach after his failings in Indianapolis. So either way, Frank Reich probably is attracted to it because of the unstable ground that Glenn's on, and all the other candidates maybe don't want it for that reason. And I still think there's a chance Aaron Glenn could be the right guy. I don't think they had a lot of talent, especially after the trade, but when you take a look and every single coordinator did a poor job but him, the head coach, he hired all the wrong people and he's the one guy to stay. Or is he just as big a disaster as all the other ones. But he gets to stay because he's got four years guarantee left on his contract.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, that's not good. Yeah, I understand that, Don, but you're also. And I. I think, look, I'm not trying to defend Aaron Glenn here. I'm trying to give the other side of the story, right? And that is while you try to develop players and coach and quarterbacks, you know, here's a situation where you're trying to develop a coach, somebody that, you know has some quality about him that, you know, he's a worker, that he worked his way up. He didn't step in and just want a coordinator position right out of the blue because of his resume as a former player. He came in, he scouted, he was a, you know, he was a position coach, grind his way up. And so he understands that part of it. So I got to teach him now or I got to see if he can learn the mistakes you make as a coach and how much they're costly. Put a better staff around you, have smarter people around you. And I didn't like a report that I saw over the weekend that said that Glenn wants to be involved in play. Calling on defense, there's your first mistake, because, like, look at John Harbaugh. He never did that. I am a CEO. I'm a leader of men. I'm a voice of the team, and I have people that I'm going to delegate authority to. And I trust the way you're going to run your defense, and I trust the way you're going to run your offense. I'm going to oversee everything, but I'm going to leave you to it. And it's probably better because what we learned from Glenn this season is he was overwhelmed. Having to deal with everything, right? An inexperienced offensive coordinator, a D coordinator whose players didn't like the system, and he had to be putting those fires out to a point where he had to get rid of them. There was too much happening for Glenn as a head coach to worry about everything else. He had to focus on one thing. Rex said it, too. Rex said that it was hard when he first became a head coach to learn to pull away and let go of the defense because there's just so many other things you're dealing with as a head coach that might not have anything to do with X's and O's. So I did not like seeing that from Glenn. And that's the first time when I was. I felt, okay, I like this. He's cleaning house. He's admitting that he didn't coach a good staff, he didn't create a good step. And then I saw that and I stopped and I said, oh, no, no, no, this is a mistake. And now I'm more concerned than I was maybe going into the weekend.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I see both sides of that because I. I do think there is a talent and a character enhancer, if you will, to someone that can admit they made a mistake.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

And rather than doubling and tripling down. And so I think that's a good thing. But I also think it does get to a point where there's so many mistakes that you then become concerned about the overall abilities that he has as a head coach. And now as he's trying to learn in his second year on a team that, at least on the surface, doesn't seem to have a ton of talent and maybe one of the toughest schedules in the league. And, oh, by the way, he wants to pick up, you know, another layer. And calling plays on defense now, it's not the same as calling plays on offense, but still, we saw with Rex, as you said, a guy that seems so focused on the defensive side of the ball, you're probably going to have either an inexperienced quarterback or some veteran that's going to need somebody to keep an eye on him. And you got to make decisions. Do I go for it on fourth down? What play we run in here, how we handling things to adjust in the second half of games, all the things and dealing with the media and all the things that come with that job. And I think he learned that it's a lot bigger than he thought it was.

[Anthony Pusick]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And I'm willing to give him the chance in year two. I'm going to err on the side of a positive that he found out his mistakes, he rooted them out. But still, I can understand a Jet fan not having a ton of confidence right now in the head coach of their team. 1-800-919-3776. Brian in Rockville center, you're on. Don Hunter Rosenberg. What's up? Your gone.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, we lost Brian, we got Subi.

[Alan Hahn]

Hopefully Brian didn't pass. And if he did, please let us know where we can send flowers. Subi in Midtown, it's your chance. Hopefully you're still with us.

[Anthony Pusick]

Hey, Don.

[Subi]

Yeah, I've been listening to you guys and obviously Jake since the morning and how can you say as a Jets fan that we're not allowed to, you know, hate watch this team next year and hope that they can draft Eli?

[Anthony Pusick]

I.

[Subi]

Why can't we hope that Aaron Glenn chooses to be on Hard Knocks and we should see a comedy show every week filming him because his ways of doing things this last year and even going forward will always be comedy. And Don, why can't we. Why can't we hate watching? Why can't we root for them to lose and not be mediocre? Have Frank Wright come in and play Mac Jones for six wins? Is that what we want as a football team?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I mean, do you want it to work or not? I mean, you're giving up.

[Subi]

Tear down Mike. Mike Mac Jones, he's going to tear down Aaron Glenn next year. He's going to be even better next year. After two years, you think that the Jets Don, could compete with Mike Rabel, super bowl team?

[Eric]

Give me a break.

[Subi]

We're going to watch this team as.

[Eric]

A comedy and it's going to be worth hate watching.

[Alan Hahn]

So, but, so does anything change if they go Owen 17? Yes.

[Subi]

There's going to be a new administration. Even if Sark is so much better.

[Alan Hahn]

Than the one before that and the one before that and the one before.

[Subi]

That, Sarcasian and Arch Manning will at least be something that is new to the NFL.

[Alan Hahn]

Let me ask you something, Let me ask you something.

[Anthony Pusick]

Let me say this, Subi. You honestly, if you're a Jets fan for a long time and you understand the history of the team and all that stuff, you honestly think if they have another debacle of a season that the Mannings would have any interest in sending the next Manning into the league to play for this franchise? There's zero percent chance of that happening. Zero.

[Eric]

It's still better to hate watch and lose.

[Anthony Pusick]

Well, I didn't say you can't. Well, you can hate watch. You can hate watch. You, you can. You have every right as a fan, because this team has earned that. But, but, but, but to think that that's like, well, then they'll just fire everybody and they'll bring in the brilliance of a college coach and then a Manning bud. That's not happening. It only gets worse, not better.

[Subi]

What does six wins get you next year?

[Anthony Pusick]

It gets you two more than you got this year.

[Alan Hahn]

Subi, what is, what does 0, 17 get you?

[Subi]

0 17. We're not rooting for Owen.

[Anthony Pusick]

17.

[Subi]

We're rooting for something productive on the field. But we know that the productivity on the field will come. Will not come because offensive coordinators don't want to come here. Defensive coordinators don't.

[Alan Hahn]

But, but I'm just saying if you're going to go to the point of just hating your team, then just, you know, just quit on the team. Because as long as Woody Johnson is your owner, nothing is going to get rectified. All right, so you go Owen, 17. You got the first pick overall. Allen's right. Archman is like, you know what? Look, I'm not going to the Jets. They can't develop a quarterback. That team's an absolute mess. All right? You wanted to get rid of the regime after idzik. You got McCagnon. You wanted to get rid of the regime after McCagnon. You got Douglas. You wanted to get rid of that regime. You got this. Like, you keep going through them, you can't get it right. You keep getting quarterbacks, you can't get it right. So why not just root for the team to win? Because losing doesn't seem to help either.

[Anthony Pusick]

But it feels. It feels easier. It hurts less.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you know what's easier?

[Anthony Pusick]

If I want to laugh at it.

[Alan Hahn]

You know what's easier? Go watch hockey or basketball or go pick another team, whatever. Be a fraud. Absolutely be a fraud. Do yourself a favor. But to sit there and stab yourself hoping the team loses just to get. Just to continue to screw it up to me, you might as well just set your hair on fire. I mean, what are you doing?

[Anthony Pusick]

It's such a give up quick, tap out.

[Alan Hahn]

There's no shame in tapping out. No, the biggest wrestler in the world just ended his career tapping out.

[Anthony Pusick]

You have every right to say, I can't take it anymore. I can't watch this anymore. You have every right to do it. But it's very strange to want to sit there and entertain yourself with losing. Like, it's almost like you're a madman now and you're in the straight jacket in the padded room and you're just chuckling and giggling because it just keeps getting worse and worse. And again, that's probably how to describe a Jets fan at this point. It's painful, it's frustrating, but somewhere along the line, it's got. It's. Something's got to take. And Aaron Glenn pretty much knows he's got one year. And by the way, Darren Mujee, who we're not talking about, has an off season. He has draft picks, he's got free agency, he's got an off season where he could say, you know, maybe the coaching staff last year was a disaster, but I know what I'm doing and I'll get this thing right. So let's just see what he does first and then go from there. Am I Optimistic, Don. I am not. Of course, I have no reason to be, but I'm not going to hate watch. I'm just not going to watch.

[Alan Hahn]

But honestly, it's going to. It's going to be the death of me.

[Anthony Pusick]

Me.

[Alan Hahn]

The whole philosophy of tanking.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, I know.

[Alan Hahn]

Jet fans, come here. Come close to the radio. You had the quarterback.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

You drafted him. You had him in your building.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

And now he's going to go win a Super bowl for somebody else. So all the tanking, all the drafting doesn't work because it doesn't work with this franchise because they don't know what they're doing. You have to root for them to all of a sudden discover what they're doing. And that doesn't come with being gifted the first overall pick. That doesn't come from going 0:17. It comes from eventually Woody Johnson finding the nut, eventually stepping in it and just getting it right on. Dumb luck. Because nothing else has worked. All right? Tanking doesn't work. Winning doesn't work. Having the damn quarterback in your building don't. Doesn't work. You had them in your uniform, a Super bowl quarterback in your building. You didn't know what to do with them. Yeah, you pooped. Pooped yourself. That's what you did. You finally got the hot chick to dance with you and you pissed yourself because you don't know what you're doing. You urinated all over yourself and you finally got Jennifer Aniston to touch you and you destroyed yourself because you don't know what you're doing. Owen17 does not fix ignorance. I don't know what may be air. I don't care. I love time for people, or even the YouTube people. I'm looking at you. I'm staring at you. Your team is dumb. It's functional dumb. So Owen17 is not gonna matter.

[Anthony Pusick]

It's gonna take someone, you had him in your building to go to the well again. They had him in the building. They knew everything they could know about him. And because of the stupid fifth year option. Oh, but I got the number two pick in the jack and reset and start over again. I don't have to pay for the quarterback. I can build a round and. And that's the problem. Who was it? I. I'm telling you, somebody's going to eventually get Joe Douglas to spill the tea. Somebody. I need to know. Joe. You. I know that deep down you weren't like, yeah, let's get rid of Sam and take this 5 foot 10 dude because of a throw he made. On his pro day, let's take him with the number two pick in the draft. Rather than say, we got our quarterback, we got the 2 pick, let's trade that, turn it into more and keep developing this kid. Because there's something here. We know it. We got him. He fell to us in the third pick of the draft and instead that didn't happen. I mean, something got in the way. We all know what that something is.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Anthony Pusick]

Woody Johnson, JetBlue.

[Alan Hahn]

All the fans wanted the building to be called JetBlue, but get a sponsorship. Makes sense, right? Jets, Jets, Blue Giants.

[Anthony Pusick]

Sure.

[Alan Hahn]

It was JetBlue. It was I. That's the word is his relationship with the family. And Woody got his. So that's what I'm talking about. So that's what happened. That is true.

[Anthony Pusick]

Franchise malpractice practice.

[Alan Hahn]

If that.

[Anthony Pusick]

I've. I've heard that rumor for years and I've never understood could that really. Who is that dumb malpractice that you're going to make a. You're going to make a decision that's that critical. You're going to make that. Yeah, it's franchise malpractice.

[Alan Hahn]

No. You know how many patients died on that table? He's like Quincy. He's a medical examiner. The bodies are already dead when they get them.

[Anthony Pusick]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

So, yeah. Hate watch, because that's what you've been doing. But this. Oh, let's tank. Because eventually they'll get it right. Believe me. 50 years. 50. And this super bowl more than any other. And I understand that regime is gone and it's a different regime and all that, but that's what's got to kill you. Alan, root for Sam. Sam's a great kid. I think it'd be great if they won the Super Bowl. I really would.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

But you can't get over the fact that you had him in your building.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yes. Yeah. And you say, you know what?

[Alan Hahn]

And so did. And so did Carolina and so did San Francisco.

[Anthony Pusick]

That's why I said Minnesota.

[Alan Hahn]

Yo. Yo's in Minnesota.

[Anthony Pusick]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Because as much as much as we praise them, they still went the cheap route. I'd rather have the kid, the JJ McCarthy, on a rookie contract, than the guy that won me 13 games during the regular season. How do you think they feel today? Where did they go this year? So believe me, idiots love company. I know that's not the phrase, but it works here. Believe me, there's a lot of dumb people in the NFL. They all wander. They're all wander into the same corner like that, vibrating Football game where they all just kind of end up in the same sideline. All the dumb ones, the rest of the league scoring touchdowns. It's the five or six dumb owners. They all vibrate to the same corner, huddling like Blair Witch and the choir, all looking away from the action. God love them. They're all great people. Woody Johnson is a good person. He really is a good per. I like him. I like him. But the football acumen's not there, and it's not working. So hate, watch, lick, watch, eat, watch, feed, watch. Whatever you want to call it, don't watch. That's what I would suggest you do.

[Anthony Pusick]

You live longer, Whatever makes you feel better. As I said, I can't be mad at any fan that wants to say. Say this stuff, Don. I can't. No, because this franchise has. They have done it to them. So I'll never say, like, you're crazy, you're in it. No. If that's all you got, then that's what you got.

[Alan Hahn]

But feel sorry for him.

[Anthony Pusick]

But it's. It's. It can't. It. You can't. If you can't keep going back to something like this and taking the abuse. If it's. If it's affecting you to a point where you are watching because you're laughing maniacally at the disaster that unfolds every year. I told you, it snapped in me, Don.

[Alan Hahn]

I know.

[Anthony Pusick]

The minute Rogers couldn't get up, I stared at that TV as if. I just stared, like, this really happened. This really happened. This is one of those where you just, like. You don't talk to anybody. You just walk straight out to the pool and fall in.

[Alan Hahn]

No, you're right, my old friend, and it's so true, is you get to the point because you keep saying, well, one day they'll turn it around. I want to be there. The one day.

[Anthony Pusick]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Alan Hahn]

Think about how many people are six feet under they were waiting for that day and never saw it. I mean, we're talking about a long period of time, so God bless you. I'm not. I'm having fun, but at the same time, I want to cry for you. I work for that. Or I worked 16 years pre and post, taking phone calls from you guys. I honestly, it's not fun for me to have those types of conversations because it's sickening. It is really, Almost in the 25 years, September 3rd, 25 years at this radio station, that has been the recurring theme with this franchise. Except for a few little blips and a Few little runs that all ended in disappointment. Anyway, this has been the recurring theme of my 25 years. Jet fans suffering. Not Met fans, not Islander fans, not Knick fans. They've all suffered in their own way.

[Anthony Pusick]

There's no suffer like this.

[Alan Hahn]

This is epic. This is epic. And I feel bad. I honestly feel bad.

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[Anthony Pusick]

All right, Donnie, I know you have something that you're excited about. I. I remembered what it was that. That came across my way over the weekend that I felt like we need to have a conversation. It has to do with the business that I used to be in, which is a journalist, a newspaper journalist. Yes, everybody drinks. I drive a dog, Stratus. But this is more serious. So I don't know if you've seen this, but the Washington Post is on the verge of laying off more of its staff.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Anthony Pusick]

The Washington Post is also reportedly. They're not sending anyone to the Olympics. That has never happened. Now, Jeff Bezos owns the paper now. He has owned it for a while. It's not like it was the last couple of years. It's been, I think, about 10 years that he has owned it. But you're seeing it's obviously very expensive to cover things the way you would hope. A national newspaper can cover it, which is supposed to be down the middle, but you want to have a presence. The boots on the ground thing was something that was about journalism. The fact that you're there and the Post, along with the New York Times, you know, there are newspapers that had that history of being a resource that everybody could trust because it's supposed to be down the middle. That all has changed in the last 10 years or more, 15 years. But what's also changed, Don, is the Business itself, where newspapers are dying.

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Anthony Pusick]

And it's really become more online, it's become more content.

[Alan Hahn]

I was just in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh Post Gazette.

[Anthony Pusick]

I told you about them. Right. They pulled the plug on that newspaper. So these, you know, this used to be something in our country that was value. And for me as a kid growing up like that was my thing. I always tell people this, that broadcasting is not a career. I pursued it pursued me. I went to school as a journalism major with an English minor. I wanted to be a writer. That was my whole thing. I wanted to be a writer and a columnist. I felt like that was. There was something about that as a career that I was excited about. But when the opportunity came for me to leave, I knew I had to because I saw the direction that the newspapers were going in. It was what people were consuming now were more about immediate news and rumors and blogs and stuff like that, which you're seeing. To me it's an over saturation now of coverage of things. And I got to be honest with you, I don't know what to trust anymore. I don't. And I promise you this, majority of people who react to things that happen in the world react to what they see on social media about it more than they take the time to sit down with a long form newspaper and read it from byline to, you know, the end of the story where you get all of the information and then from there can decipher it because no one has the time nor the patience to do that anymore. So it concerns me a lot that a newspaper like the Washington Post feels like it is really starting to circle the drain now with this latest thing. And I worry about it, I do it that, that concerns me. When you ask me what I want to talk about. A lot of times I don't, I don't like to be political, I don't like to talk about this stuff. This is sports. We try to have fun with it. I let everybody know I don't trust anybody when it comes to politics. That's why I don't like talking about it.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Anthony Pusick]

But I do concern myself with journalism because there is an importance to. At least when things are happening in the world, there's a place to go that at least you know, you're getting all the information. And the problem in media now is that everything now has become short form, quick verse reels. And I don't mean R E A L, I mean, you know, the reels that you just use your thumb and flick through and you're watching. You know, 10 second videos of, of things happening and you're not getting full context. It's a dangerous place we're heading when a newspaper of that magnitude in journalism is starting to now crumble as well.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's a shame. It was a way of life that has now gone by the wayside, there's no question about that. Well, mine's a little bit more light hearted, I think.

[Anthony Pusick]

Good.

[Alan Hahn]

But Giant fans can rejoice in something and that's their past and their future. The present, not so much. But 35 years ago today, on January 27, 1991, this happened.

[Anthony Pusick]

All right, there's a signal to play. Hang in there. Steps back to the 40. Long approach on the ball this time. Four steps.

[Eric]

In the air.

[Anthony Pusick]

Set the distance.

[Eric]

It is not good.

[Alan Hahn]

That's the Jim Gordon call of wide right. Scott Norwood misses a 47 yard field goal and the Giants win their second Super Bowl. Super Bowl 25. And it's crazy, right? This is going to be Super Bowl 60.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

That was the silver anniversary, the 25th Super Bowl, 35 years ago today. Now, before I get into what I'm going to say, let's hear at least the beginning of the Al Michaels call on ABC7 of the same play.

[Anthony Pusick]

Now Norwood tries to kick his longest ever on grass.

[Alan Hahn]

That's it. That's all I wanted to hear. That's all I wanted to hear. His longest field goal on grass. Now keep that in mind because he is a pariah in Buffalo. Yeah, wide right. Norwood's miss. He's the goat of Super Bowl 25. Should have kicked the field goal that gives the Bills their only super bowl championship. And it is so misguided, it's so lazy. The real goat to me is really the entire Buffalo Bills team. But if you want a goat, it's the Bills offense and Jim Kelly the K gun because this is one of the greatest offenses of all time. Obliterated the Los Angeles Raiders in the championship game. Scored an average of point a minute in the super bowl. They scored 19 points. They only had the ball for 19 minutes.

[Anthony Pusick]

Thurman Thomas was unstoppable.

[Alan Hahn]

Unstoppable. Would have been the MVP of the game had the kick been good. What people fail to realize, and now that we're 35 years removed from it, there are a lot of people that weren't even born, including our producer and board op, is the fact that Jim Kelly and the K gun offense got the ball at their own 10 yard line with 2 minutes and 10 seconds to go. A 2 minute warning and a timeout. We have seen Patrick Mahomes get in the field goal range in 13 seconds and the closest they can get with 2 minutes and 10 seconds, the 2 minute warning and a timeout is a 47 yard field goal, which was the longest attempt on grass in Scott Norwood's career. And another thing Frank Gifford said later on during the broadcast is only 35% of field goals that distance on grass were made. This was Pre Kickers launching 60 yard field goals that hit the net. How in God's name can the K gun offense with that much time only get a 47 yard field goal attempt?

[Anthony Pusick]

Allen, Bill Belichick.

[Alan Hahn]

Bill Belichick deserves credit. His defensive scheme is in the hall of Fame. But and I'm not trying to take anything away from Jim Kelly's career or how good James Lofton was and Thurman Thomas and that offensive line, but if you want to go, don't give it to Scott Norwood. When you look at the information, it was almost a feeble chance it was going to be good. If we had talk radio to the extent that we have, we had the analytics, they probably don't attempt the field goal or they certainly would have done more to try to get closer. It is, it is crazy that he is labeled the goat of that Super Bowl. Allen, 35 years later, he is still a pariah in Buffalo and he should not be.

[Anthony Pusick]

Well, it's what everybody says when you reference that super bowl. That and Whitney Houston. Those are the two things that come out of that super bowl more than anything else. Right. There wasn't anything. To be fair, what about the Giants in that game was memorable? Hostetler. The fact that it was a. There it is. The fact that it was a. You know, he ended up being a. The, he was the backup quarterback. Sims was hurt. You know, like what, what was the, what is your lasting memory from the Giants from that game? It's not like again, the Manningham Cat 10 minute drive and the Lawrence Tynes like that. You had that right. Okay. You could have that.

[Alan Hahn]

Keeping the ball away from them.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

For that long.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Is what you remember the game plan.

[Anthony Pusick]

Is what you're saying, Don?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Anthony Pusick]

A lot of Super Bowls have moments, play moments or performance moments in them that you. I'll never forget that game because of this. But you. That game is, is remarkable because the game you thought they were. I remember I was sitting with my dad at our house in the den watching the game. And I remember before the kick, I remember saying to my dad like, well, Giants are losing this one. And he said, not so fast. He's got to make it. And he missed. And that's what my dad said. Never, you never give up. You always, you always have to. It's got to happen. So that's why it's the most remarkable moment in the entire game, was that moment.

[Alan Hahn]

But.

[Anthony Pusick]

And he has to make that kick. He didn't.

[Alan Hahn]

He didn't make the kick. And what I remember, you know, sitting with my dad in the living room and my dad turning to me and going, he's going to make this kick because they won the championship game on a game winning field goal and they're going to lose the super bowl on a game winning field goal.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And he missed it. And I, and I was jumping up and down. And the thing that I remember, we had this fish tank in the living room. And it wasn't one of those wide ones, it was kind of like a straight up one. It was only maybe like 2 or 3ft wide, but it was like 5ft tall.

[Anthony Pusick]

I get it. Yeah, I know, I know you're talking about.

[Alan Hahn]

And all of a sudden as I'm jumping up and down and the house that I grew up in was like a hundred years old when I was born. Like, literally might be like 135 year old house now. Watch the fish tank. Right? That's where that drop came from. Because I'm jumping up and down, all of a sudden it starts to tip. And my dad, you know, because now he's. God. How old was he then? I'm way older than, than he was then. Yeah, because he died at 59 in 1997. So he was like, he was 52 years old, but by then he was, you know, an old man who had seen everything. So he was happy, but not, not to the point of jumping up and down. So he was worried, like, fish tank, like he was, he was gonna beat me.

[Anthony Pusick]

He said he's a, he was a 52. He was an old man who had seen everything. 52?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Anthony Pusick]

Well, my friend, we look at it differently, don't we? 52 now?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Because, you know, my, my father was on a destroyer between the Korean and the Vietnam War, so he served in the Navy. Chose the Navy because he didn't want to get drafted into a branch he didn't want to go to. He wanted to be in the Navy. So he volunteered to go to the Navy. And luckily he graduated in 56. We were between wars, but he had been to the Mediterranean. He had, he had seen the world. He's had his two kids. By 1990, I'm already in college. My brother was already out of high school. So 52 back in 1990 was a lot different than being 57 now. But he. So that's the lasting memory of almost fishing, knocking over the fish tank. But honestly, I know it irritates Anthony because it's something that happened in the 90s, but it is kind of crazy. So how old was I in 1990? 22 years old. So I am in college, getting ready to graduate college. It's 35 frigging years ago, man. I have trouble digesting that. Something like that, that didn't feel like it was that long ago. Happened 35 years ago now.

[Anthony Pusick]

Wasn't that 91?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, it was the 90s 90 season. So it was January 27th, 1991. But it's always the 90 championship, of course.

[Anthony Pusick]

No, no, this had that season just like with.

[Alan Hahn]

Just like we're in the 25 season, we get ready for Super Bowl 60, for God's sakes. I mean it just. So I just thought I'd take that time. It was also a perfect opportunity to bring up that it's the 30th, 35th anniversary of wide right. But it really should be the Bills offensive failures to get closer.

[Don Hahn]

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A little run to the hills. Don hana, Rosenberg till 6:30, then it's Dan Grassa. Got ENN coming up at 6. Always excited when Anthony Pic does it. Peter's on his way to Saudi Arabia, so I don't know where we'll hear from him again. I think the plan is he will be on our air, but I don't know how long.

[Subi]

Long.

[Alan Hahn]

So Thurston. So tomorrow's out?

[Anthony Pusick]

Tomorrow's out.

[Anthony Tracking Thurston]

He's a very busy man tomorrow from my understanding.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, from. Oh, all right. Well, he's probably still flying. Like it takes seven days to get there by air, I think.

[Anthony Tracking Thurston]

I believe it's a 12 hour flight. I was tracking it earlier. I'll see where he's at.

[Alan Hahn]

12 hours?

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Now, I was on some decent flights on this devil trip, but 12, man, that's.

[Anthony Pusick]

That's a long time to me.

[Alan Hahn]

Like five hours. Yeah. You watch a couple of movies? Yeah, you know, but like 12 hours, man, that's. You got to get some sleep now.

[Anthony Pusick]

How do you. How do you feel about it? Honestly? Like to me, a cross country flight that that's as about as much as I can take. Like Europe. That was a lot like that. That flight is a long flight to just Europe but anything and people have told me about flying to Australia and flying good on you. I don't sleep well as it is so sleeping on a plane even harder.

[Alan Hahn]

I remember somebody. I don't want to give them away. I'll blow up their spot.

[Anthony Pusick]

Okay.

[Alan Hahn]

They. They had to go to I guess I think was the Nagano Olympics. So the Winter Olympics in 98. And it was like a. Like a 16 hour flight. And they said that, you know they got all they wanted to sleep but they want. They partied so they got on the plane and they were. They were drunk from drinking before getting on the plane. Sobered up and they got drunk again. Like that's how long the flight was.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yep.

[Alan Hahn]

Like you were able to I drunk. All right, let's take nap. You know, sleep for six, seven hours, wake up, feel good, say all right, let's start again boys because we still have another half a flight to go.

[Anthony Tracking Thurston]

So he's 2 hours and 40 minutes from landing. When he lands it'll be 7:30 in the morning tomorrow.

[Alan Hahn]

Right. So we should ask him who's winning the games tonight.

[Anthony Pusick]

Anthony. Right. Anthony's tracking him. He's biff from.

[Anthony Tracking Thurston]

Only thing I don't have is a map. Couldn't tell you what two and a half hours is in terms of where he is in the world right now.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he's.

[Anthony Tracking Thurston]

But he's two and a half hours away from Saudi Arabia.

[Alan Hahn]

He's clearly on the other side of it for sure. So the other side of the World. 1-800-9193776 Eric is in Union City. You're on ESPN New York. What's up Eric?

[Eric]

Hey guys.

[Subi]

Great to talk to you.

[Eric]

There was an incredible play In Super Bowl 25, a Giants play. Don, when I run this down, you're going to kick yourself for not Remembering it was third and 13 and Hostetler hit Mark Ingram who broke like four tackles to get 14 yards.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I'm going to tell you, of course I remember that play and it is always, it's always mentioned as one of the biggest plays of the game because he should have been stopped short. They get the first down. The problem I have with the play is Buffalo scored the next possession and retook the lead. So as big a deal as it was, it didn't stop the Bills from still taking the lead. So history seems to make clearly was part of the victory because they needed the points that they got to be able to eventually win the game. But the fact that the Bills scored on the next possession on Thurmouth Thomas touchdown to take the lead still to me, took a little bit away from it, if you know what I mean.

[Eric]

I do. And when you put it that way, you're right. But it was a absolutely spectacular play.

[Alan Hahn]

And. But to Allen's throwback at Allen and thank you for the phone call. Like, that is a play that resonates. I don't know if you remember it, Alan. Like he stopped dead and he. He's hopping on one foot and he dives. Gets the first down. Right. Kept it alive. Giants end up kicking a field goal to add to the. But. But they didn't hold on to the lead. So it's a big play, but it could have been even bigger had that been the winning drive, you know, so.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, it's kind of.

[Alan Hahn]

It's kind of. But it's.

[Anthony Pusick]

It is.

[Alan Hahn]

It is. To me, it was the greatest Super Bowl I ever saw until the Giants beat the Patriots the first time with the helmet catch.

[Anthony Pusick]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Alan Hahn]

But that didn't have any penalties. Like, it was such a well played game. And if you remember at the time, we didn't get well played Super Bowls, you know, the year before, we got one of the worst blowouts ever when the 49ers just. Absolutely. The Broncos.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah. We were talking about this yesterday how in our day there were some bad. There were some bad Super Bowls and that the championship games were always better.

[Alan Hahn]

Right.

[Anthony Pusick]

We were discussing. And it's true. So at least that was a good game. I thought when he said Mark, I thought he was going to say Bavaro because didn't Bavaro have a big catch in that game?

[Alan Hahn]

Well, Howard Cross had a big catch, too, on the long drive.

[Anthony Pusick]

I thought there was like this gritty Bavaro catch as well that you're not thinking about.

[Alan Hahn]

The one against the Niners where he's dragging people.

[Anthony Pusick]

People like 20 yards.

[Alan Hahn]

That was a big deal.

[Anthony Pusick]

Maybe a bunch. But you know what that does tell us, though? That that tells us again that when you're always looking for the signature play of a Super bowl, unfortunately for Norwood, it's. It's the fact that that went right wide. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. But I just feel like. And this. This makes sense. Right. Because not everybody was alive for it. Not everybody's going to take the deep dive. It's easy to call the kicker who misses the field goal the goat.

[Anthony Pusick]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

But if you just took the time to. To read more into it, you'd realize that that was a really tough kick to make.

[Anthony Pusick]

Yeah, there were things that led up to it. Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And, boy, they. They should have been a lot closer than they actually were on that kick. Let's go to John in Mawa, my old stomping grounds. You're on espn, New York. What's up, John?

[Anthony Pusick]

Hey, Don.

[Eric]

I live not far from Ramapo.

[Anthony Pusick]

Huge.

[Eric]

Longtime Jet fan, rooting big time for Sam. Not because I want the jets to be embarrassed or that we somehow screwed him over.

[Alan Hahn]

I just.

[Eric]

I just like the guy. Yeah, I was actually really calling more. No, he's.

[Anthony Pusick]

I.

[Eric]

Look, I. I gotta. I gotta root for him. He's my. I don't want to be a fraud, but they're my second team now because I just. I like the guy.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Eric]

I wanted to get to Alan's point. I'm 66. I used to commute to the city. City for years and years and years. I used to read the New York Post, the Daily News, New York Times, Wall Street Journal. We. I used to sit around on Sunday flipping through the New York. The New York Times. It was. It was great. I think over the last, I don't know, 10 years, the papers have become so. Have become so polarized. You go in and you look at the COVID of the New York Post. Post and the COVID of the Daily News, and it's the same exact story, and it's handled completely differently. New York Post, I mean, the New York Times, the Washington Post, they're. No, you know, none of these are. It doesn't seem like journalism anymore. It seems more like. And I hate to say that this is not. It's political, but it's not. It seems more like propaganda when you see what's on the front page of one paper as opposed to another paper. The same exact story gets treated completely differently. And you're not getting. You're not getting the story anymore. You're getting the opinions about what you should be thinking about those stories. And it's sad to me, because I love. Again, as an old guy, I don't read Kindles. I have a book with a place mark in it. I love reading a newspaper, picking it up. I can't do it anymore because I'm not. It's not reality. It's what they want you to see. And I feel bad. Alan, journalism has just died. It's just died.

[Anthony Pusick]

It's definitely dying, and it's sad. And, John, I appreciate what you're saying, because I looked at newspaper, it was tangible. You held it in your hand, you turned the page. That is the classic on the train with the newspaper kind of thing. Everybody, that's, that's, that's everybody. I learned how to read reading Newsday as a kid. A little kid reading headlines, sounding out words like that's, that's, that was that that Newsday was on our doorstep every single morning in the Sunday paper and all that stuff. And I, I agree with what he's saying, if that's the problem, and that's what really frustrates me is that I can't even just get the details of a story and figure it out for myself. I, I have to. Now question, wait, are you telling me everything I'm supposed to, supposed to know here? Are you just kind of giving me your side of it? Because you're now catering as a newspaper to an audience that you know will at least buy your paper versus a general audience that now people are so selective with what they, what they, where they want to get their information because they wanted to agree with their beliefs and that, that's why journalism is dying, because no one trusts it anymore and why should you? It's been sold and bought and sold.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, you strive to be neutral and now you're just striving to find one side or the other. It's been going on a lot longer in sports, but you kind of live with it because sports is just entertainment. It's not supposed to be that important as far as the worldview stuff, but it's almost like it's covered by sports now, where everybody's got their rooting side, and that's where you kind of get the information politically and everything else. All right, we got lots to get into. We got into the Jet situation, got into the Knicks situation as well. More calls on 1-800-919-3776. Coming up at 6:00 and enn with Anthony Pusick. And then at 6:30, it's Dan Grasse right here on ESPN New York.

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