Hour 2: Jets & Fraud Alert Friday

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Jets & Fraud Alert Friday

ESPN New York with Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Air Date: October 17, 2025

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Overview:

This hour dives deep into New York Jets quarterback woes, the questionable decisions and optics behind their rebuild, and the fallout for new head coach Aaron Glenn. The trio also hosts their popular “Fraud Friday,” where listener emails spark heated debates over true sports fandom and “fraudulent” fan behavior. The conversation is candid, humorous, and filled with the trio’s trademark chemistry and banter.

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Jets QB Woes & Aaron Glenn’s Dilemma

[00:43–19:10]

Key Discussion Points:

• Jets’ Hypothetical with Rodgers:
  The hosts imagine what the Jets’ record would be if they had kept Aaron Rodgers instead of moving to Justin Fields, dissecting “what if” scenarios for games against Pittsburgh, Tampa Bay, Denver, and Miami.
  • “It’s a hell of a difference when you’re talking about how your head coach looks and the optics of it all.” — Alan Hahn [05:22]
• The Importance of Accurate Quarterback Play:
  Don contrasts mobile, young QBs with veterans like Rodgers and Flacco, emphasizing accuracy and composure over athleticism.
  • "Quarterback play is all about that… No accuracy. That is got to be top two of the traits you need to be a good quarterback in the NFL." — Don La Greca [02:20]
• Jets’ Leadership Optics:
  They critique the decision to move on from Rodgers, suspecting it was made to assert new management’s authority rather than for football reasons.
  • “All of this to make things easier for Aaron Glenn. And you could make the case it’s made it harder because now he has no quarterback, he has no offense, he has no wins.” — Alan Hahn [04:35]

Memorable Moment:

• The debate crescendos with empathy (and skepticism) regarding whether it's better to have a “purgatory” team at 2–4 with Rodgers or to be tanking with Fields to secure a top draft pick.

Timestamps:

• [00:43] – Jump into Jets’ hypothetical record with Rodgers.
• [05:24] – Concerns about head coach optics and decision rationale.
• [07:59] – Weighing tanking versus building a shaky foundation.
• [09:33] – How a coach’s reputation and future are built (or tarnished) by these decisions.

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Aaron Glenn’s Growth and Difficulties

[11:45–19:10]

Key Discussion Points:

• Front Office Dynamics:
  The hosts agree that the power to make these decisions lies not just with the coach but with the owner.
  • “You know, there’s no they, there’s a he. All right, we know it’s not a they. This decision is made by a he.” — Don La Greca [12:00]
• Glenn's Media Struggles:
  Glenn is compared to other rookie coaches learning on the job, especially in how to handle media criticism and defend struggling players like Fields.
  • “Aaron Glenn, if you listen to this... he just, like, he meanders through explaining it while defending him.” — Don La Greca [13:25]

Notable Quote:

• “You can’t be doing that. All right. If you want to find some analytics or whatever, but nobody is going to buy, ‘Oh well, they don’t criticize Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.’” — Alan Hahn [16:00]

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Parenting Debate: Kids in Restaurants

[22:42–27:00]

Key Discussion Points:

• An email prompts a spirited discussion about etiquette when dining out with noisy children—who's responsible when kids disturb other patrons?
• Peter brings comic relief and empathy, sharing parental anecdotes and resetting the conversation’s tone.

Memorable Exchange:

• “It’s not a Michelin star restaurant, buddy.” — Peter Rosenberg [23:57], poking fun at expectations at a casual eatery.
• “If Michael thinks the pool is weird, then he thinks the hot tub is moments before it all goes down.” — Peter Rosenberg [32:57]

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Fraud Alert Friday: Fan Allegiance on Trial

[28:57–44:31]

Format:

• Listeners submit stories of questionable fandom—switching teams, dual allegiances, and “bandwagon” accusations. The hosts rule on whether the behavior is “fraudulent.”

Major Fraud Friday Cases:

1. Jets & Panthers Dual Fandom ([34:07])

• Listener Nick’s dilemma: Now lives in Charlotte, goes to Panthers games with in-laws but still claims to support the Jets.
• “You’re a fraud because you gave up on your team, but you still claim you’re a fan of the team. Well, you’re not watching him.” — Alan Hahn [36:05]
• “What do you need two [crappy teams] for?” — Peter Rosenberg [36:25]

2. Detroit Sports Selectivity ([37:45])

• Listener’s friend only follows the Lions consistently, barely cares for Tigers/Red Wings unless they’re good.
• “If this individual told me ‘I’m a fan of all Detroit teams’ and then I find out he doesn’t watch the Tigers and the Red Wings because they stink, then I’d say fraud.” — Alan Hahn [39:23]

3. Blue Jays-to-Yankees Convert ([40:04])

• A heartfelt (and verbose) email from Joe recounts a childhood switch from the Blue Jays to Yankees, with playoff nostalgia igniting old loyalties.
• “He’s a Hemingway long winded show off fraud.” — Don La Greca [43:26]
• “Now he wants to float back [to the Blue Jays].” — Don La Greca [44:31]

Fraud Friday Notables:

• The “zipper key” is invoked—a term (jokingly) crediting romantic relationships as the reason fans switch allegiances.
• Hosts affectionately roast listeners for earnest, over-the-top explanations, turning even “emotional” stories into comedy gold.

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Yankees Accountability Rant

[46:16–52:08]

Key Discussion Points:

• Cashman and Boone’s Lack of Accountability:
  The hosts critique repeated excuses from the Yankees’ management on postseason failures, always blaming players rather than organizational philosophy or front office decisions.
  • “They keep putting it on the players, which tells you they don’t think there’s anything wrong with the system.” — Don La Greca [48:48]
  • “If the players made this thing. You chose the players… So the player did not perform, you’re right. Or the player got hurt. But that still falls on the guy choosing these players, doesn’t it?” — Alan Hahn [49:49]
• Boone’s Admittance and Organization Stubbornness:
  Boone occasionally takes blame for in-game decisions, but the larger system is defended at all costs.
  • “There’s always an excuse.” — Don La Greca [51:42]

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Lighter Fare & Inside Jokes

• Pools, Hot Tubs, and Friendship Etiquette:
  The hosts lampoon the notion—held by another radio colleague—that inviting friends to swim is “weird.” This leads to ribald jokes about “pool parties” and hot tub socializing.
• “Fraud” as a Term of Endearment:
  The term “fraud” is tossed around as a blend of affectionate ribbing and genuine questioning of sports fan authenticity.

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Memorable Quotes & Segments (with timestamps)

• [02:20] Don La Greca: “Quarterback play is all about that… No accuracy. That is got to be top two of the traits you need to be a good quarterback in the NFL.”
• [04:35] Alan Hahn: “All of this to make things easier for Aaron Glenn… now he has no quarterback, he has no offense, he has no wins.”
• [12:00] Don La Greca: “There’s no they, there’s a he. All right, we know it’s not a they. This decision is made by a he.”
• [16:00] Alan Hahn: “You can’t be doing that… but nobody is going to buy, ‘Oh well, they don’t criticize Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson.’”
• [23:57] Peter Rosenberg: “It wasn’t a Del Frisco’s, okay?”
• [32:57] Peter Rosenberg: “If Michael thinks the pool is weird, then he thinks the hot tub is moments before it all goes down.”
• [36:05] Alan Hahn: “You’re a fraud because you gave up on your team, but you still claim you’re a fan…”
• [43:26] Don La Greca: “He’s a Hemingway long winded show off fraud.”
• [48:48] Don La Greca: “They keep putting it on the players, which tells you they don’t think there’s anything wrong with the system.”

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Tone & Style

The hosts are candid, opinionated, and prone to affectionate teasing—especially during Fraud Friday. The show combines sports analysis, fan interaction, and banter in a very New York style: direct, passionate, and always a little irreverent.

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For New Listeners

This episode is a quintessential slice of New York sports talk—smart, self-deprecating, community-driven, and unafraid to mix hard sports truths with everyday life and humor. If you missed it, you’re now caught up: Jets dysfunction, Yankees delusion, poolside etiquette, and the relentless pursuit of rooting out sports fan fraud.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

So last night just shows you football. I don't even why we bother doing picks a five and a half point favorite, essentially, you know, getting killed and ended up becoming a great game. And Cincinnati WINS the game 33, 32. Just hard to believe that these two quarterbacks can go out there and play to the level that they played. Right. And I just wondered what would the jets record be if they kept Aaron Rodgers?

[Don Hahn]

Well, they would have won the Pittsburgh game.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, the Pittsburgh game's tough because Rogers was part of that. Right.

[Don Hahn]

That's why, that's why I said so.

[Peter]

It's a double whammy because you have.

[Don Hahn]

The better quarterback in the game now because you don't know who their quarterback would have been.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But Fields played well in that game though, so.

[Don Hahn]

Well, would it have been Fields for them? Would it have been.

[Peter]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's tough to say, but it was a close game. Yeah.

[Peter]

Give him Tampa though. He's good for three points.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's got. You got to beat Tampa. And you would have beaten Denver. Right.

[Don Hahn]

And you would have beaten Denver because you would have gotten to that line. Yes.

[Peter]

And, and, and I, and by the way, I, I, I'm, I'm giving him the Miami game. I know that game was ugly from beginning to end. I put so much that game on Fields, man.

[Don Hahn]

So bad.

[Peter]

He was so, he. There was never hope with their offense, Allen, that entire game.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I know the defense was bad. Defense couldn't, they couldn't stop a nosebleed, that defense.

[Peter]

No, you're right. But remember, the reason Don still was sticking with the jets is because as bad as the defense was, Miami didn't do anything special. They stuck around.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, they let him stick around too. Yeah, I, I just, you know, it's amazing though, watching that game there, I had to remove the jet aspect of it because, you know, like, just watching Flacco alone was like, you know, they could, they had him here. But what I was watching as we talked so much about quarterback play in the NFL, how important it is, how you're trying to find quarterbacks and you see two guys that really, although Rogers is still fairly mobile for his age, coming off Achilles, but it's two guys that, you know, don't want to get hit at their age, don't want to have to run and scramble a lot, but are dead on balls accurate when they throw the football and they have the IQ and the experience to know exactly where the play is. And I mean, Flacco just stays calm. Does he ever look panicked like that? I don't know if that's not teachable stuff, man. But the accuracy part, quarterback play is all about that. That's got to be. If not one, it's two in most important aspects to have not the legs and the speed and all this other stuff. No accuracy. That is got to be top two of the traits you need to be a good quarterback in the NFL.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And listen, I can't prove any of this because who knows what would have happened had Rogers stayed. All right, maybe he would have gotten hurt again, whatever. But just looking at the lack of quarterback play has to be a major contributor to the fact that they're 06. I mean, that performance last week was one of the worst performances in the history of the NFL. So any other quarterback probably would have won that game against Denver. So you could say to yourself, what's the difference between 0 and 6 and 2 and 4? You're still not a good football team. Well, The Giants are 2 and 4 and they're coming off a big win and people are excited.

[Don Hahn]

Yep.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And it takes the heat off of your newbie head coach. I've always believed the theory was take the expectations away from Glenn. If Aaron Rodgers is here, there'll be expectations that they wouldn't live up to and everybody would kill Glenn. Well, what do you have now? You have a non functioning offense. Everybody's still killing Glenn. Right. And now your coach doesn't have any kind of experience on the offensive side of the ball to. To help navigate through this. So I'm gonna double, triple and quadruple down on the fact that I think they made a huge mistake letting Rogers go. It was all just an optic. It was all just new sheriff in town. We're not gonna take his garbage anymore. My owner hates him and wants to banish him. Well, you banished him the Pittsburgh where he's gonna go to the playoffs. Good job. Not exactly Siberia. You're Siberia. He did him a favor. But all of this to make things easier for Aaron Glenn. And you could make the case it's made it harder because now he has no quarterback, he has no offense, he has no wins. So even at 2 and 4, not that big of a difference. But it's a hell of a difference when you're talking about how your court, your head coach looks and the optics of it all. And yeah, maybe there would be undue expectations. All right, so what isn't it better than this where your, where your head coach is being raked over the coals and everybody thinks he's the worst thing that's ever happened to the jets and that's saying something.

[Don Hahn]

Let me push back on one thing though, Don.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not disagreeing with you. Okay. Because what you're saying is the same logical take as usual. Right? But what I'm saying, what a lot of fans would be saying now again, we have, we have the, the value of knowing what happened. Meaning 06. Right. So that's a benefit to us that we know what it looks like without Rogers. But you can't pretend that we know that with Rogers. So you're saying two and four at best. And I promise you, fan base would say we're in purgatory. This, there's no future at this quarterback. We're not going anywhere. It's a waste of time. We like we're not going to be able to play ourselves into a top pick to get a great quarterback and we got a 40, you know, 49 year old guy that isn't going to be here long term. That's what, you know, that's what it's going to be about. Because if you keep Rogers, it's because you think you have a team that can make the playoffs and that's a drought you're trying to end. But if you don't think you're going to make the playoffs, you don't keep a guy like that around. And that's why 06 is so ugly and, and Fields has been bad. So it's easy to say that you, you get what I'm saying. But we can't, we can't assume that we already know that and that it's better to be 2 and 4. But I get it, I get what you're saying, it's logical. But, but we can't assume that, that having Rogers at 2 and 4 still doesn't have some complications with it which include what's the future of a team that is pretty much okay, you know, you're spinning your wheels.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay, well Team. Aren't you doing that now? Except Instead of a 41 year old quarterback, it's a 26 year old quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

You're not spinning your wheels. You're going right in a hole.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But are you going in a hole? But my point is, is that you're going in a hole and you're taking your head coach with you. All right. Everything you're saying is correct.

[Don Hahn]

I knew that though.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Everything you're saying is only light at.

[Don Hahn]

The end of the tunnel. Is the fact that you think you might have a high enough pick to draft one of the top quarterbacks in the draft next year and start, start your rebuild from there.

[Alan Rosenberg]

All right, so, but, so the part of this whole thing was we don't want to win games.

[Don Hahn]

We knew that. We knew that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, that. What I'm getting at is that clearly that was the case, that winning was not the priority. But again, you're talking about the optics. You're talking about the, the heat that the fans would give. Like, oh, we got Aaron Rodgers. We've got no future. He may not even play next year if we don't sneak into the playoffs.

[Don Hahn]

And to you go with it because it's, oh, well, Aaron Rodgers is producing and you can.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But What.

[Don Hahn]

Who but 2 and 4? It's a totally different story. Like, what the hell? What are we doing?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, you went into this, but I'm saying you went into this season. Your modus operandi. Unless you're going to tell me they were tanking for a quarterback and that might end up being a huge mistake because there may not be a quarterback in this draft.

[Don Hahn]

That's true.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But if all this year was supposed to be was to. Let's just, let's give Aaron Glenn the best chance to be successful here. Okay. In this first year. So let's tamp down expectations. If you had Aaron Rodgers, if you're two and four. Yeah. Fans be frustrated because you don't have a quarterback for the future. Yeah. You're not that closer to making the playoffs.

[Don Hahn]

But.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But maybe a lot of the shade would be away from Glenn.

[Peter]

And then after that, Don, and first of all, you said two and four. I think three and three is absolutely on the table.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay, three and three. Sure. Now you're three and three.

[Peter]

Let's call it three and three. And then even if the season ends up being whatever it would be, Don, I think you're right. I think then what you bought from Glenn was all right, we got to look at him. He's pretty good. Oh, now we move on from Rodgers. Now he started. It's like he bought himself a year to get acclimated without the pressure. Now, guys, every week is going to be a nightmare of pressure for Eric Glenn until he gets that first win.

[Don Hahn]

3 and 3 with the fourth easiest remaining. Schedule is a much different feel, I'll give you that much.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You're. You're right, Allen. Everything that you're saying is right, that there would have been this feeling even at 3 and 3 if he didn't make the playoffs. There was a wasted year. Rodgers is going to retire and now we don't have a quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

But at least you might be able to say you got a coach, all right? And that, that was the whole deal here is I got a guy that signed a five year contract in his first year. He won a few games, all right, we didn't go to the playoffs or whatever. But now, now you're in the exact same situation you tried to avoid right now. You got no future at quarterback, but you've now dragged and sullied the beginning of the Aaron Glenn, okay, tenure.

[Don Hahn]

Brian Dabel won coach of the year his first year and led the Giants to the playoffs. Were you, were you bought in?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, Peter will tell you, I thought it was kind of fugazi.

[Don Hahn]

Why?

[Alan Rosenberg]

But. Well, because I just think that they could have very easily finished 7, 9 and 1, but I was not down on Dable. No, I was not. I thought that they had a coach. Oh, I, I didn't think the season was necessarily for real, but I was believing in my coach.

[Don Hahn]

Right now. All it is, it's semantics. But they chose this way because they just wanted to clear out a dominant personality in the locker room. That was the whole idea. And start the rebuild from the ground. That's what they wanted. And this is what they get for it, is they got to endure this. And this sucks. And I think they knew it. I think Glenn knew it. Don, you were on it from the very beginning, how it felt like everybody else was saying, I think they can win seven games. I think they can do this. Thinking that Justin Fields was better than he was. There are a lot of people that just thought Fields, that the problem with Fields wasn't him, it was the Bears didn't know what they were doing and the Steelers didn't give him the ball back. When Russell Wilson took over and then was, you know, circling the drain towards the end of last season. They blame the Steelers for not giving Fields the ball back. Then we watch Fields play and now you're going like, oh, yeah, that's what. That's what. That's what happened. The Bears got a number one pick and said, we're going to move on. And the Steelers said, whatever Wilson's doing, still better than what we think Fields can do. So we're seeing it now. That's the reality now. They just. They took a shot with a. With a youngish quarterback to see if they could strike. It didn't happen. Now they got to go to plan B. I just.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I just feel like everything that they did was to protect their head coach and they completely failed them in every way. Everything they hoped would happen, the complete opposite happened. They tried to protect them, and now they exposed them.

[Don Hahn]

You know, there's no they, there's a he. All right, we know it's not a they. Yeah. This decision is made by a he. You know that.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But, you know, what are you hearing people say, like, because Aaron Glenn, I also think by design, you know, took ownership a lot of this. So he. He didn't want Rogers, he wanted Justin Fields. I just think all of this was because everything's collaborative, guys. Everything. All right? So anybody that thinks that Aaron Glenn was coming in here and he was making all of the decisions, that. You don't know the history of the jets. That does not happen with the Jets. I'm not saying he wasn't on board with all the decisions, but you don't come in here, you don't come into the jets organization and start telling what's what, especially as a first time head coach. Woody Johnson fired Robert Sala, not Aaron Rodgers.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's the one that wants everything to go his way. And I think he wanted to try to give Aaron Glenn be the face of this change. Right. And that we're not taking it anymore. And I think. I think there's a lot of things. Maybe he was on board with all of it, guys. I don't know. But I still believe it was a collaborative. I still believe in my heart that when Glenn sat down to do that interview, it was told to him, rodgers isn't coming back. Yeah. Are you on board with that? And you think Len's gonna say no?

[Don Hahn]

I do think that was a part of it. I think if he got some advice from Parcells, Parcells probably said, it's what you want. You want to get a guy like that out of the room because you don't want him undermining things you're trying to do in the front of the room that he'll do in the back of the room. There's a Lot of that stuff that I think was at play here. But look, I said this the other day. I'm gonna repeat it for every Jet fan that thinks they should have hired somebody else. No one wanted the job. They did bring people in. No one wanted the job. This is a toxic situation here right now. And so you got to keep that stuff in mind. No one wanted to be the OC here. No one. It was very difficult for them to hire an experienced staff. Steve Wilkes, the guy that's been on seven teams in seven years, like, you got to. You got to keep that in mind. But, Don, what I'm concerned with Aaron Glenn is less about that stuff and protecting him and more about the fact that at the podium, he went from a guy to talk tough to a guy that's doing a lot of, like, Aaron Boone, you know, pumping up his players, protecting his players, talking up his players. And you could tell that he knows that he is right now handcuffed to Justin Fields. He didn't take him out at halftime when everybody in the world said he should have of that game in London. But how about, like, again, the criticism of Fields not getting rid of the ball, not getting the ball out quicker, and there was more discussion of it. And Aaron Glenn, if you listen to this, he just, like, he meanders through explaining it while defending him. Once again, listen, I know that's a.

[Aaron Glenn]

Huge topic that everyone talks about, but sometimes there's a lot that goes into that. And when you look at the time he gets the ball out, you know, some of those have been some of his best games, when he's holding the ball, you know, three seconds or whatnot, and it's who he is. And sometimes it's play calls and the way that he see things. And I'm not sitting here saying that he doesn't get the ball out. There's some quick game, you know, where the ball has to come out, and you work on those in practice. But there's also an element of. And we know who that player is. You look at Lamar, I think Lamar, his numbers are getting the ball a lot is higher than Justin's. I think Josh Allen's numbers are higher than Justin's. But I think everybody tends to see who those guys are and understand that. And for some reason, they don't understand just. But listen, I'm not sitting there saying that there's some times where he got to get the ball out. He knows that. He articulated that to you, you guys, and we're going to continue to work on that as much as we can.

[Don Hahn]

So wait a minute. So Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson also hold the ball a little bit longer, but no one criticizes those guys. Guys, why do you think that is?

[Peter]

I don't know. They're all equal. That's the thing. When I, Josh Allen, Justin fields, Lamar Jackson, same player, except two of them get so much credit and one just doesn't get it. But how?

[Don Hahn]

For no reason.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right?

[Don Hahn]

It had nothing to do with results.

[Peter]

No, not as far as I could tell.

[Alan Rosenberg]

How can you miss that? Like, do you really think people are going to buy that? Oh, well, listen, they don't criticize Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, so you get, get those names out of your mouth, all right? Your quarterback just performed worse than anybody maybe in the history of football. All right?

[Don Hahn]

Take, take a knee.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So don't start throwing in, you know, a two time and very easily could have been a three time mvp. And Lamar Jackson, right. He could have won it last year. All right, Josh Allen, he might still.

[Peter]

Come back and win it. Okay? That's how good Lamar Jackson is.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You don't think if he comes back healthy and they win this division, that's not on the table.

[Peter]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So come on, he's got to sit it out.

[Don Hahn]

He's got to sit these out. Like I know he's trying to defend.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Them, but man, got to coach him up too. Like, you know, I, I think. And listen, I'm biased because I worked there for 16 years. Jets have an amazing PR staff. Those guys work their tail off. They have to, you know.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You got to talk better and say.

[Don Hahn]

Right, dude, they got to be the best.

[Alan Rosenberg]

This is, you can't be doing that. All right. If you want to find some analytics or whatever, but nobody is going to buy. Oh well, they don't. And again. But he's also reverting back to the. What does it matter what people are killing? Like, who cares? It is what it is. You're owing six. All right, they're going to kill something. But you know, even like going back to yesterday. Well then if we threw the ball downfield, you'd criticize. He got intercepted. Well, why are the media shouldn't even be part of the equation. Right? You were disrespecting us at the start of the season, right? With all the stupid questions and acting like you didn't want to be bothered. Now all of a sudden you care what we think?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's. Again, this is, this is rookie coach in New York. Mistakes that happen when you really don't. Like he played here. But it doesn't mean he. It was a long time ago. Right. He doesn't feel for it. These are things that he'll. As I said, I'm okay with developing a coach as well. If I feel like the coach has the type of foundation, if he's made up of the right stuff, I'll live through some of his own mistakes, whether it's on the field, during a game or at the podium. He'll get better from this, I promise you. Right. But it's not a good look right now.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The one thing I will say, and I'm guilty of this too, is we'll always say, well, you know, listen, he played in New York, so he knows what it's like. Yeah. He knows there's a lot of media and he knows that it could be, there could be pitfalls. But as a player, Allen Peter, if he didn't feel like talking to the media after a tough game, he just got dressed and left.

[Don Hahn]

That's right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I mean, nobody was sitting there, you know, banging on the PR's doorstep. And we need to talk to Aaron Glenn. He's not a quarterback, not the head coach. All right, now you're in Detroit and I don't know how it works in Detroit. Usually maybe once a month, the coordinators might be made available. In some places, coordinators not allowed to talk to the media at all. So I'm sure in Detroit that probably has a fifth of the media that they have in New York. And because he was the defensive coordinator, probably never had to really deal with it. Well, you know what coach does now? He's got to talk. He's got to talk Monday, he's got to talk Wednesday, he's got to talk Thursday, he's got to talk, you know, after the game on Sunday. It never works.

[Peter]

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[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah, they haven't, they haven't instituted that rule yet, but I'm waiting for that to happen. Let's go to Bobby in Westchester. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Bobby?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, hi, Don and Alan.

[Caller]

Alan, you mentioned nobody wanted the Jet shop.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Rex Ryan and I think Mike McCarthy.

[Caller]

Both wanted the job.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, you're right. Bobby, I mentioned. I mentioned Rex the other day as somebody that was definitely an experienced coach who wanted the job. And the Jets, I think, kind of gave him a token response. I don't think he ever felt like they were serious about him. He wanted it really bad. And he was on a weekly with Bart and I last year and he, he wanted the job badly. And he made it clear to us several times. In fact, there were a couple of times we interviewed him where he, he made the case of what he would do. So it's just. I don't think they ever gave it like. I don't think they gave it a serious look at all.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

That's the problem.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I think the better way to say it is, is that nobody wanted the job that the jets wanted to hire. They didn't want to hire Rex, they didn't want to hire McCarthy. They didn't want to hire McCarthy back when Salah was available.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Back when Gase was available. They. Whatever reason, they didn't want McCarthy and they did not want Rex.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But of the candidates that they had written down there, nobody was going to come here.

[Don Hahn]

No. They were told no. Yeah.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And that's now why Rex would have been interesting. And McCarthy. Listen, I think he's not a Super bowl coach, even though he's won one. It would be a hell of a lot better than what they've hired recently, I'll tell you that.

[Don Hahn]

At least he can. He can run an offense. You know, it's funny, Rex There was. Rex was kind of like back and forth about the Aaron Rodgers thing, too, because we would ask him, like, you know, what would you do with Rogers here? How would you handle Rogers? And his whole thing was, no, I'd want him back because I want him to. I want him to play at the high level. Like, I want a guy and I want to tell him, we're going to do it my way, but we're going to have you in here, but the only way you're coming back is if you do it my way. That's what he was saying to us late last season. And, you know, instead it was, they didn't want him at all.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I want to squeeze this one in quick, Ray. In the Bronx. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Ray?

[Don Hahn]

Good call.

[Caller]

Good evening, guys.

[Don Hahn]

How's it going?

[Alan Rosenberg]

What's up?

[Caller]

So, Alan, when, you know, following. Following Don's story about his kids crying in a restaurant, and you said, all right, this lady was old enough, she should know better. What did you mean by that? Do you mean that she should have known better to not say what she said or feel the way she felt or both?

[Don Hahn]

Both. Because if she was an older woman, that she understands children, right? You would think with that experience, you understand that this happens.

[Peter]

What if she never had kids and hated children?

[Don Hahn]

It doesn't matter. Like, you still would have been around long enough. You have friends that have kids. You have. You just. You.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, so.

[Don Hahn]

So that kind of response to, to parents who obviously have, you know, it's. It's like you're not helping the problem. You're making it about you, and you're being disrespectful. That. That's all. That's not necessary.

[Caller]

No, no, I agree. I think socially that she. She did something that she shouldn't have done. Obviously, you don't stay that, period.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But.

[Caller]

But socially, it's incumbent upon the parents too sometimes to be proactive.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Right.

[Caller]

If you have some people eating and if you're an Outback Steakhouse, who cares? But if you had a decent restaurant.

[Don Hahn]

Where were you done?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Charlie Browns.

[Peter]

I don't know Charlie Browns, but I'm willing to guess by the name that it was. That it wasn't a Michelin star restaurant, buddy.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Peter]

It wasn't a Del Frisco's. Okay?

[Don Hahn]

You don't think so they're fine.

[Caller]

But I, I think, though, and guys, hear me out, because I don't have. I don't have children. So I'm in the minority of the population here. But it's still incumbent upon the parents sometimes to do something. Sometimes they got restaurant parents are just sitting around the cr. The kids are just crying. Holy hell. They're doing nothing about it. That does happen to anything. There aren't any coloring books. There aren't anything to describe.

[Peter]

That's a bad job then you're right.

[Don Hahn]

I'm gonna go on. Right. I'm gonna believe knowing Don as well as I know him. And I'm sure you know Nancy's the same. I don't imagine they were just sitting there pretending nothing was going on. I'm sure. No, they were definitely self story.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I don't know. But Ray, Ray. But we're not talking about. We're not talking about like my seven year old twins. We're talking about. My twins were Maya's age. They were still like in the. There's a car seat that comes out until like it's like a baby seat that you can put that. So they're infants, you know, and it all started out well. And then they start crying and the food's been ordered. Am I supposed to just eat it and leave? You do what you can. Coloring books aren't going to help when you're talking about, you know, eight month old kids.

[Caller]

But Don, that is a question is maybe the sociable thing to do. Maybe one of the two brings the kids outside.

[Peter]

So I will, I will say that. Let me respond to that. Take. I will say this. Natalie and I have had one or two restaurant situations, particularly in Paris and where we were out every night for every meal, two meals a day, out every day with the baby. There definitely were the days where one of us would enjoy the meal while the other one just left and walked around.

[Caller]

Socially responsible for me.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That does.

[Peter]

Yeah. No, what you're saying is, what you're saying is maybe Don and Nancy are heathen is what you're saying.

[Caller]

I'm not saying that, Don. That's Peter saying.

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, I, I'm not saying if it was completely out of control. It was. Believe me, Ray, it was not that bad. It was, it was, it was bad, but it wasn't to the point if it was hysterical. Yeah, then you get up and you get out. That's ridiculous. But I didn't think it was terrible. But there were moments they were restless and they were crying and you know what? The woman should have shut her mouth.

[Peter]

No, it's insane that she actually said that. I actually was. What's it called? I don't ever know what the right word is. You know, when something's happening and in the back of your mind you're sort of fantasizing about, like, I wish someone would, because fantasizing is the wrong word. I didn't want it to happen. But I was sitting there going, someone comes up to me right now, like, if we go to get off the plane and I heard people clapping, what would I, what would I do? Would I say anything? What are you gonna do?

[Don Hahn]

Even if people were rude and you.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Were in a situation, what are you, are you gonna do?

[Peter]

And wait till I tell you guys off the air, I'm gonna text you guys, Wait till I tell you who on the flight said to us as we're about to leave, is there anything I can do?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Peter]

Think about who I am and think about what would surprise me. And I'm going to tell you during the break.

[Alan Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Did you or someone you know participate in fraudulent fan behavior?

[Alan Rosenberg]

I'm a fraud with a capital F.

[Don Hahn]

Is your friend a fraud?

[Peter]

I have been a complete and Utter fraud.

[Don Hahn]

Are you a fraud? What is fraud? Let's ask Tom McGregor.

[Peter]

Screw.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Go scratch yourself.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah. Fraud Friday. On this Friday, October 17th, very much a fall fraud Friday. We are officially here, guys. It happened. Kind of felt like we were sticking in summer forever. But we're here now.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Supposed to walk. I'm here in 70s on Sunday.

[Don Hahn]

Sunday? Yeah, man.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's, that's, that's. But let's be honest. A really nice Sunday, when you say it's 70s, means your prime fall. That's what fall is. If you're going, ooh, it's going to go up to the 70s. That means we're. We're living in fall times.

[Don Hahn]

I might. I might be in the pool again.

[Peter]

I'm just saying, at 70, jumping right in. Don, is the pool still open? Yes, still open.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Still open.

[Peter]

Now is that still open with hopes of. Of getting in?

[Alan Rosenberg]

No, I. I think it just aesthetics at this point, just the, you know, it looks nice.

[Don Hahn]

It does look. Yep. Same thing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Instead of seeing a tarp in the backyard, but just feel good.

[Peter]

Right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Just. Just in case.

[Don Hahn]

I'm telling you, Don, I'm. Put the heater on on Saturday.

[Peter]

How now could you get it.

[Don Hahn]

Crank it up.

[Peter]

Could you crank that heat up high enough to go jump in if it was 70 and enjoy it?

[Don Hahn]

86. We get it at 86. It's perfect. And when it's 86 and it's 70 out, it feels even better.

[Peter]

Yeah, so. So it could be cool outside, like 70 and 86 is warm enough.

[Don Hahn]

Oh.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Don Hahn]

By far. You step in, you walk in. It's, it's, it's. It's beautiful. Trust me. It's when you get out. It's when you get out.

[Peter]

Right, because there's got to have the towels on deck.

[Don Hahn]

You definitely want to make sure there is a shrinkage thing. You got to be aware of.

[Peter]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's not just a real thing.

[Peter]

I wasn't going to go. And how do you handle the shrinkage?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, well, just in case you were wondering. Well, maybe you don't wonder, but for some of us, you do worry.

[Peter]

You do worry about it. I don't. Well, there's nothing to worry about. Except don't take your. Just don't take your trunks off.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You're a sex star.

[Peter]

If you have. If you have a tradition. Don, it sounds like Alan has a tradition that he likes to get out of his pool and just pull the trunks right off for the world to see.

[Don Hahn]

Sometimes the trunks are, you know, because they're wet, so they slide right down, form fitting. And it's.

[Peter]

You don't want someone to see you and go, oh, Mrs. Hahn, what's going on?

[Alan Rosenberg]

The one thing that has never happened in the history of friction is a wet bathing suit falling off you.

[Peter]

Yeah, that is a great point.

[Alan Rosenberg]

It's a great point, but what's happening is revealing it.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, it. It does get stuck to you tightly. It does. When it's wet and, you know, a.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Han pool party clothes are optional.

[Peter]

That's what. That's what it sounds like. Hell yeah, it can happen.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I thought that's what Michael thought about pool parties.

[Peter]

Well, yeah, that's why Michael thinks it's weird.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

You've heard that take, right, Alan?

[Don Hahn]

I have not.

[Peter]

What does it take now, Don. Don and I would argue with Michael because Michael thinks it's weird for friends who have a pool to invite other friends who do not have a pool over to go swimming.

[Don Hahn]

Isn't that the whole idea of having a pool?

[Peter]

That's what I. So that's what Don and I said was, you know, most people, Mr. Privilege, don't have a pool pool. So if you're lucky enough to have one and you got friends who like to swim. It's July 10, it's 98 degrees. You go, you want to come over and swim? Michael thinks that means it's a sex party.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Early in. This was like last year. Nancy best friend is Donna and her husband Mark, and I've become very good friends with Mark. They don't have any children, but we invited them over to swim, and Michael thought that was weird.

[Don Hahn]

So is it weird then? Because we also have a hot tub that in the winter we have friends over and we'll just chill out in the hot tub, have some wine. No.

[Peter]

With friends. No.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, hold on.

[Peter]

Let me tell you something. If Michael thinks the pool is weird, then he thinks the hot tub is moments before it all goes down. Like it's the last thing before it happens.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my goodness. I gotta hear this. No.

[Peter]

Oh, he believes this. You know, it's funny. I did it this summer, my friend got a new house with a beautiful pool.

[Don Hahn]

I'll tell you what, the first week.

[Peter]

He had it, I went and. And we took.

[Don Hahn]

We should have a. We could have a pool party at my house for the show.

[Peter]

Love it.

[Don Hahn]

And we could have. We could use the hot tub. You come over in a winter, we'll all get in a hot tub, bring the wives, have a great time, and we'll take pictures and send them to Michael and see, you know, it just.

[Peter]

It just goes to show you, he's a filthy perv bag or whatever he think.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he thinks the hot tub. That's hedonism at its finest. Right? That's where he is.

[Peter]

No, friends never affect.

[Alan Rosenberg]

You're a filth bag. You're a sex star filth bag.

[Peter]

That should be about Michael. That should not be about me. All right, here we go. Fraud Friday My name is Nick. I currently live in Charlotte, North Carolina. I was born in New York City and my father, a longtime New Yorker, raised me throughout my childhood and early adult years to be a fan of the Yankees, Knicks and Jets, which I'm still a fan of to this day. In 2016, I started dating my wife, who was born and raised here in Charlotte.

[Don Hahn]

Zipper key.

[Peter]

Her father. Her father has been a Carolina Panthers PSL owner since the team first came to Charlotte 96, and it was tradition throughout my wife's childhood to attend Panthers games with him. This I love, by the way. I love this about our show. Like, I really. I'm not kidding. This is me being nerdy. I love an email like this. Like hearing about people's Panther traditions. Like, I don't even know. Of course that's a thing. But like, I just would never know that.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

When we started dating, I occasionally started going to games with my wife and eventually the PSLs were passed down to us. Over the last nine years, going to Panthers games with my wife has turned into a tradition of its own and something we really enjoy doing together. With the amount of Panthers games I now attend, I have genuinely taken to the team and consider myself a fan. But I also continue to watch and cheer for the Jets. I do not consider my dual fandom of the jets and Panthers to be fraudulent for the following reasons. One, I have legitimate ties to both teams.

[Don Hahn]

Two.

[Peter]

The teams are not rivals, have no significant history and are in different conferences. Three, both teams have been terrible over the last 10 years, so there's no front running involved. I'm just making myself twice as miserable. This Sunday, I will be rooting for the Panthers as they have a legitimate shot at playoff contention. While the jets have reached the point where they should be in full tank mode. Please let me know if you consider this behavior to be fraudulent.

[Don Hahn]

Nick.

[Peter]

Fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Because he still gave up on the Jets. I'm sure the jets and the Panthers 80% of the time play at the same time. So if he's going and joining the Panthers, he's missing the jets. So he's given up on The Jets. And I get it, they stink. He made kind of a lateral move, unfortunately, because the Panthers aren't much better. So he's not. So he's not a front runner. I get that.

[Peter]

Interesting.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He's still a fraud.

[Peter]

You're a fraud because you gave up.

[Alan Rosenberg]

On your team, but you still claim you're a fan of the team. Well, you're not watching him. I love this. I'm playing at one o'.

[Don Hahn]

Clock.

[Peter]

Don is the best. This is such a great take. He's dead, right? And why not just own it? I know it's hard to say goodbye to yesterday. Say goodbye to the Jets. I get it. You were given. You live in Charlotte. It's a beautiful city. The games are warm for three months. You got the tickets. Go be a fan of one crappy team. What do you need two for?

[Don Hahn]

I think we need to keep statistics though, because we should do some research here. How many. How many fraud situations are due to the zipper key? Because it seems like more.

[Peter]

That is such a. By the way, what a terrible. It's an inappropriate reference.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's a wonderful way.

[Peter]

It's his family now. This isn't. He's trying to get laid.

[Don Hahn]

This is his wife.

[Peter]

This is the mother of his children. Well, it's his wife.

[Don Hahn]

That's what. What it turned into. It just led to that zipper key.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Can turn out to be.

[Don Hahn]

You know, it's great, but come on. It feels like a lot of fraudulent behavior is done because you were drawn. You were the siren song. You couldn't. If he called at me, I had.

[Alan Rosenberg]

To go right again. Great guy. And I get it. I get it.

[Don Hahn]

Nothing wrong with it.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But it is what it is. Knows it and he knows it.

[Peter]

Is there any bigger zipper key in the history of sports then than when 14 year old Peter fell in love with the Brazilian national team?

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's where I got the idea. Sure.

[Peter]

That's the birthplace of the whole thing.

[Alan Rosenberg]

The birthplace of the zipper key. And 30 seconds before I said it, I didn't know it existed. I kind of made it up on the fly again.

[Peter]

One of my favorite phrases, you're an absolute genius. And this is you at your best. All right, here we go. Thomas writes us and says, hey, dhr, I wanted to call in, but I'm unable. I have a friend who's from Detroit and is a big Lions fan, but says he's a fan of all Detroit teams, but not just the Lions. But until the Tigers were the best in the AL early in the season making the playoffs, he hasn't paid attention to them at all and hasn't paid attention to the Red Wings since the early 2000s. Is he really a Detroit sports fan and not just a Lions fan if he doesn't follow them when they aren't good? Thanks. Love the show.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Well, it doesn't sound like he's a fan. He lied. He doesn't like the Red Wings, he doesn't like the Tigers. But if he claims to be a fan of them still, then he's a fraud.

[Peter]

Well, let me ask you a question though. Is there any delineation, though, between the person who has all allegiances to the one city but is not as in on a couple of the sports until those teams are better? Like is there a delineation between that and like you're all over the place.

[Don Hahn]

You know what I'm saying? It's not like he's rooting for another, another ball or hockey team. He's just, I'm checked out on those sports.

[Peter]

I'm thinking of me.

[Don Hahn]

Unless they're good.

[Peter]

I'm thinking of me in Maryland, for example. I don't know what Maryland football is doing, but if we get to the end and they're in bowl ball contention.

[Alan Rosenberg]

I go, oh, Terps are back. Because you're an alumni. I've never heard you say I'm a Terps fan.

[Peter]

No, it's different. You're an alumnus and college is different.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Because again, there you, you got blood on the ground. I'd have to talk to this individual. If this individual told me I'm a fan of all Detroit teams and then I find out he doesn't watch the Tigers and the Red Wings because they stink, then I'd say fraud. If he's somebody that says, I'm a huge Lions fan and I want the rest of the Detroit teams to do well, I kind of root for them. That's different. Then you wouldn't be a fraud because then I would take that as you really only care about the Lions and you're just showing an allegiance to your city by rooting for the other teams when they're in the playoffs or making a run. So I'm going to say based on the information that I have no fraud.

[Peter]

All right, all right, here we go. This is a.

[Alan Rosenberg]

This.

[Peter]

I'm going to do one more email because it's a thorough one. And if you want to be a part of fraud Friday, you send your emails to dhrespnmail.com real easy. Yeah, super easy. DHR like Don Honorism or Dhrespa all right, Honorable Judge Legreca. Oh, I just. By the way, I just got a text from my friend Juanito, the ultimate fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

He.

[Peter]

Juanito went from being a Cowboy fan, he's now a Giant fan. I don't even. It happened over the last two or three years. I don't even know what happened. It's disgusting. I've never seen anything like it. And Giants fans, please reject this man. Anyways, Judge legreca, I've been desiring to write for a while now, and with the Yankees lost to the Blue Jays this week and their subsequent potential to run to the World Series, I'm in need of an overdue ruling. I grew up in western New York. Okay, sounds like a Toronto situation and would spend summers at our nearby cottage on Lake Ontario.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Sounds like a scene from Meatballs.

[Peter]

My earliest memories of baseball fans them were as a 78 year old watching the Toronto Blue Jays win back to back World Series titles. We did not have cable and the only local baseball we could pick up with our antenna were the Blue Jays from across the lake. While my entire family were Yankee fans, I remember defiantly stating I was a Blue Jays fan during these formative childhood years, particularly during the 93 season in the following years I also fondly remember listening to the radio voices of Michael K. And John Sterling while driving back and forth between our home and cottage during warm summer evenings in the car with my father, a generational Yankee fan. Fast forward a few years to 1996 and I remember my dad taking me to see a Yankee Blue Jays game, my first MLB game in Toronto. After winning two tickets from the local Yankees radio broadcasting station, I was initially torn on who to root for at this game since the the tickets were from the Yankees. However, to this day I have very vivid memories of the experience, including the fact that I returned home as a full fledged Yankee fan. 1996 was of course Derek Jeter's official rookie season and we all know how the Yankees finished their season that year. While I have moved across the country Several times since 2004 as a member of the military, including a stint in Staten island when I started listening to TMKs in 2016.

[Alan Rosenberg]

What chapter are we on again?

[Peter]

I'm almost done. I have retained my claim as a Yankee fan for the past 30 years, 8 year old me would be very excited to know that the Blue Jays are continuing their playoff run this season and now. And I now can't help but feel that I will also be rooting for the Blue Jays to win it all now that The Yankees are out of contention. I've always felt deep down that some fraudulent activity may have occurred during my switch from a Blue Jays fan to the Yankees in 96. And now that I will be rooting for the Blue Jays to win the ALCS and beyond, I realize I may be a fraud after all. Please tell me it isn't true. Joe from Sodus Bay, New York.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Oh, he's a long winded fraud. Yes, yes, the course I know and you know you're a fraud with too many in the car. He writes well. He's a showoff.

[Don Hahn]

He's a Hemingway long winded show off fraud.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And I could see right through the facade of all the big words. And oh, so nice.

[Peter]

It was the warm summer nights with dad.

[Alan Rosenberg]

That's foliage during the World Series in 93.

[Peter]

He did so much.

[Don Hahn]

He.

[Peter]

He hit you at the warm summer nights. He hit you with his military background. He tried to hit you every little soft spot he could.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Stop it. But you're still going frog. And then. Oh, he. Peter, he got the tickets in 96. What happened in 96? Remind me. Peter. Remind me. Alan. Yeah, I know what happened in 96. Well, he said that and now he's right. It seems like a nice guy. And I think he should write now.

[Peter]

Now what if he had never.

[Alan Rosenberg]

First book is done, so now all he has to do is get the second book.

[Peter]

Now tell me this though, Don. What if he had never. If he had just switched from the Blue Jays to the Yankees in 96 and never went back and did not now have an inkling to pull for the Blue Jays, would he still be a fraud? Or would you say at that point he's now just a fan?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Or he was a fan of the Blue Jays and became a fan of the Yankees? I mean, come on, what's going on?

[Peter]

What's a bigger fraud? And now he wants to go back.

[Don Hahn]

To the Blue Jays. He wants to float back. Yeah.

[Peter]

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I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Alan Rosenberg]

And that's why nothing ever changes.

[Don Hahn]

Right?

[Alan Rosenberg]

Because the numbers are sacrosanct. Right. This is how it works. So when it doesn't work, it's obviously somebody else's fault. And but what I would say to Brian Cashre would be, well, didn't you pick these players? If they're not post season performers, should that not have been something that you were able to root out before you signed or traded for him? I always come back to Devin Williams, but Devin Williams is not a performer in New York, that's on you, right? You went out and got him. You went out and got Sonny Gray couldn't handle New York, you went out and got him. So it still kind of falls on you if the players made this thing. You chose the players you extend. Take a look at the history of Brian Cashman's game. Contract extensions, right? Severino, Hicks, not a lot of them age well. DJ lemayhue, like that's on him too, right? So the player did not perform, you're right. Or the player got hurt.

[Peter]

Right.

[Alan Rosenberg]

But that still falls on the guy choosing these players, doesn't it?

[Don Hahn]

Yes, absolutely does. But he never, he never takes accountability. Never. All he says is that it's not enough, it's not good enough and we're going to get back at it and we're just going to keep trying. Like it's never anything that he assesses his own, like his own job performance. Never. And in Boone, while he did admit there are things that keep me up all Night like decisions I've made, things I could have done. He admits that the in game stuff but God, they will not ever relent from the idea that their way of playing and how they want the team to play play is the right way it works. It's just the players, when we get to October, for some reason they don't perform up to what the numbers say they should be performing. They leave it on the players.

[Alan Rosenberg]

And they lost a tad bit of confidence a couple of years ago with the audit. But then the audit told them they.

[Don Hahn]

Were doing great for Gaze.

[Alan Rosenberg]

So. But even if it was Fugazi, if it was one of those, you know, we're going to do an internal investigation, we know garbage, right. That they're not going to stray from this. The, the only hope if you really wanted to see change is if Hal sells the team. And I am not saying how's the problem is that you're not going to see that kind of seismic change unless somebody else comes in and buys the team and says we're not doing it this way anymore. Hal is completely sold on it. You know how Brian feels about it. Aaron Boone was hired because he was completely sold on it. And this is where we're at and it's never ever, ever going to change. It would have to completely bottom out and even then they would probably just chalk it up as an aberration like they did the 82 and 80 season. Oh, we are banged up. What are we supposed to do about it? You know, I don't know if you could explain away 100 loss season but I don't think that's ever going to happen.

[Don Hahn]

There's always an excuse. There's just, there's always an excuse. Anyway, like I said, it was something that just really stayed with me as I listened a second time around and I'm like, man, like there was no accountability here. Only Boone admitted a couple of decisions that he has to live with and that keeps him up at night. But as far as system and strategy.

[Alan Rosenberg]

Nope, can't imagine that it's ever, ever gonna change.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter]

I don't want to know how the.

[Don Hahn]

Sausage is made, man. I just want to know. It's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter we weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

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