Hour 2: Jets & NFL Binge

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – "Jets & NFL Binge" (Hour 2, Sept 15, 2025)

Overview

This lively episode of Don, Hahn & Rosenberg focuses on the aftermath of a rough week for the New York Jets—especially the struggles at quarterback and the growing pains under new head coach Aaron Glenn. The conversation expands across the NFL, breaking down key games, controversial plays, and the expectations (and delusions) of fan bases hungry for hope. The hosts' trademark candor, humor, and local flavor are on display as they dissect everything from coaching pressers to "tush-push" debates, and even field a wild NFL football conspiracy theory from a caller.

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Main Discussion Points

1. Jets' Loss, Quarterback Uncertainty, and the "Hope" Problem

Timestamp: 01:00–17:50

• Jets Optimism Crushed

  • Many Jets fans felt optimism after scoring 32 points against the Steelers, despite a loss. The following week brought disappointment, particularly around QB Justin Fields' performance and subsequent injury (concussion protocol).
  • The panel debates whether Tyrod Taylor or Fields is a more watchable or promising option moving forward.
  • Rosenberg: “You know, Jet fans really got kicked in the stomach... there was a fair amount of optimism.” [01:43]
  • Don Hahn: “You got caught up in a moral victory. And that's the problem. They didn't win the game.” [04:09]
  • Peter: “How long does Fields have?...How many weeks do you have of being meh before you go, well, they took a little swing with an affordable risk. It's nothing.” [02:27, 02:38]

• Justin Fields: Hot Then Not

  • Fields went from above average in Week 1 to deeply inaccurate in Week 2 (“abominable passes” per Don Hahn), sparking debates about his future as a starter.
  • Don Hahn: “How could he look so good in one week and so bad in another?...That wasn't the Bills defense, that was him just missing throws.” [03:03]
  • Peter: “3 of 11. So this speaks to... the only thing they worry that Fields can do is off-time stuff, but if you drop him back, he just cannot do it.” [05:38]

• Coaching, Accountability, and Fan Frustration

  • The conversation shifts to frustration with new head coach Aaron Glenn—specifically, his guarded postgame answers and “watch the film” responses.
  • Hahn and Rosenberg caution fans not to overreact, reminding listeners that culture change takes time and that ownership (Woody Johnson) needs to allow coaches to rebuild.
  • Aaron Glenn: "We've all played Legos before...you have to make sure everything is aligned and you keep stacking it day by day by day." [08:46]
  • Don Hahn: "Leadership is what changes a culture... If Woody Johnson gets impatient and starts listening to fans again...Aaron Glenn’s not gonna have a chance." [12:00]

• Jets' Historical Cycle: Misplaced Hope

  • Discussion of the Jets’ pattern: optimism when a new coach arrives, initial moral victories, followed by disillusionment and calls for another reboot.
  • Don Hahn: “You get drunk off the hope because maybe this time it's finally going to work. And then the minute you start to see issues... we're never going to get it fixed.” [11:29]
  • Rosenberg: “Now, I'm not telling you to be happy about what happened on Sunday...But guys, if you thought this was going to happen overnight... that's all on the table.” [10:30]

• Comparison With Giants and Consistency

  • Both NY teams have shown moments of hope, but the hosts challenge the value of “moral victories” against weaker opponents. Real progress is judged by results against good teams and by consistency, not flashes.
  • Peter: “It ends up being a fun, cute moment that means absolutely zero unless they show they could do it again.” [16:58]

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2. Justin Fields vs. Tyrod Taylor: A Real Solution?

Timestamp: 17:14–18:41

• The team debates whether moving from Fields to Taylor is an upgrade, or simply evidence that neither is a genuine answer for the Jets.
• Hosts agree that the investment in Fields was minimal—a low-risk gamble that feels increasingly hollow.
• Peter: “This wasn't a real solution... They're not going to become a real team with Justin Fields.” [17:36]

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3. NFL Binge: Around the League Highlights

Timestamp: 20:50–33:30

• Miami Dolphins Struggles & Antonio Gibson's Big Return

  • Dolphins lose to Patriots, with a highlight-making TD return by Gibson.
  • Don Hahn (play call): “Gibson to the 35 of the Miami... 15, 10, 5. He goes the distance.” [21:47]
  • Discussion of Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel’s “job security” remarks, which the crew finds disingenuous.
  • Peter (mock): "Coach, I noticed that you peed yourself during the press conference. Can you explain why?" [23:21]

• Colts' Wild Win over Broncos (w/ Chris Carlin’s Call)

  • Colts win at the buzzer after a penalty, going to 2–0 for the first time since Peyton Manning.
  • Don Hahn: “Fantastic call... That is crazy.” [25:10, 25:24]
  • Debate on Sean Payton taking the “high road” after the controversial penalty. [26:04]

• Eagles Beat Chiefs — "Tush Push" Controversy

  • The "tush push" (QB sneak) to win the game sparks debate about the play’s entertainment value vs. competitive fairness.
  • Peter: “At every moment... there’s back to back Tush pushes to end the drama.” [27:03]
  • Hosts unexpectedly agree: the play, while legal, does sap drama.
  • Don Hahn: “The entertainment value is just completely snuffed out...” [27:53]
  • Proposal to eliminate the play—not as “sore losers,” but because it’s hard to officiate and dangerous.
  • Rosenberg: “You can't see anything if you're the officiating. So much can go on. So you could just come up with a rule. Hey, let's get rid of the tush push.” [28:55]
  • Don Hahn: “Let’s go back to the old rule. This is too difficult to officiate... just take out of the game.” [30:01]

• Chiefs' Offensive Struggles

  • Mahomes blames himself and a lack of coherence (“It’s a little bit everything... wrinkling out the problems”).
  • Parallels drawn to previous Patriots slow starts, but concern about stronger AFC competition.
  • Don Hahn: “They have not been right. Remember... the Patriots used to look like this in the first two, three weeks of the season.” [31:15]

• Lions Pummel Bears, NFC North Heats Up

  • Jared Goff and the Lions are back on track, putting up 52 points; contrast drawn to the Giants’ surprising output.
  • Peter: “Jared Goff, 23 of 28... 334, five touchdowns. No picks.” [32:45]

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4. NFL Conspiracy Theories: Kicking Balls, Helium, and Giants’ Kicker Bad Luck

Timestamp: 39:30–45:30

• Caller John’s NFL Ball Conspiracy

  • Caller suggests lighter, differently colored “k-balls” filled with helium—contributing to long field goals and punts.
  • Don Hahn (skeptical): “So you’re trying to say the kicking balls have helium to let them stay in the air longer?” [42:12]
  • Rosenberg (amused): “I don't buy the conspiracy... the reason they play with a different ball, 12 of them, is back in the day, they were trying to reduce the amount of field goals.” [42:27]
  • Hosts poke fun, seeking a logical motive for such a “conspiracy," and cite stats about the Giants’ incredible record of losing on long field goals.

• Giants’ 60+ Yard Field Goal Woes

  • Stat cited: 21% of 60+ yard game-winning field goals since 2014 have come against the Giants.
  • Don Hahn: “The rest of the NFL, 3 for 41.” [43:56]
  • Rosenberg: “I love conspiracy theories. Love them. Eat them up, don.” [43:37]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Jets Fan Optimism:
  Don Hahn: “You got caught up in a moral victory. And that's the problem. They didn't win the game.” [04:09]

• Breaking Down Fields:
  Peter: "He was worse. He was, he was what you worry about, which is the inaccuracy that comes up, that creeps up...abominable passes." [03:03]

• On Aaron Glenn’s Rebuild:
  Don Hahn: “Leadership is what changes a culture… If Woody Johnson gets impatient and starts listening to fans again…Aaron Glenn’s not gonna have a chance.” [12:00]

• On "Tush-Push":
  Peter: “At every moment… there’s back to back Tush pushes to end the drama.” [27:03]
  Don Hahn: “The entertainment value is just completely snuffed out...” [27:53]

• On NFL Conspiracies:
  Don Hahn (deadpan): “So you’re trying to say the kicking balls have helium to let them stay in the air longer?” [42:12]

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Other Key Timestamps

• [05:55] Peter: "He can’t drop back."
• [07:39] Peter: “Start making it about the coach...it’s not going to be clean in one week.”
• [08:46] Aaron Glenn: “...you have to make sure everything is aligned and you keep stacking it day by day by day.”
• [23:44] Peter: (mock press conference) "Coach, I noticed that you peed yourself during the press conference…"
• [32:45] Peter: Lions blowout recap.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a classic slice of New York sports talk: emotional, irreverent, and self-aware. The hosts blend insight with fans' frustrations, call for patience (while knowing New Yorkers rarely have much), and deliver sharp observations on both the Jets’ dysfunction and the broader NFL drama. Light moments (k-ball helium; dry-dream jokes) mix with genuine disappointment and cautious optimism, making it essential listening for anyone trying to understand the Jets, or simply catch the pulse of football in the city.

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Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

I like when he holds it.

[Rosenberg]

Only one local in action Ton and it's the Yankees. They're visiting the Twins at 7:40. Like this is the literal just show up and they should get a win.

[Don Hahn]

Well these are the last 13 games that, you know, they got through the 12 game stretch seven and five and now they've got to win as much as they possibly can.

[Rosenberg]

Mets off and then you got the double header on ESPN with the the Monday Night Football.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Which is cool.

[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

You know, the notion that they were looked like a team heading in the right direction. I think that was at least offensively.

[Rosenberg]

But I guess so you lose Fields and he's in concussion protocol, so I guess it's up for grabs whether he's going to play. I don't think at this stage there's much of a difference between Tyrod Taylor and Justin Fields at this point.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the difference is interest in watching. Well, let's be honest.

[Rosenberg]

I mean you got Tampa and you watch, right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, but Fields is a guy you're watching for a specific reason you want to see. Can he show you evidence that he could be that guy?

[Peter]

How long does he have?

[Don Hahn]

And Tyrod Taylor, you know who he is. You know.

[Peter]

So here's my question though.

[Aaron Glenn]

How long?

[Don Hahn]

How long? Yeah.

[Peter]

How long does Fields have? And I say this is a guy who from the very beginning believed that his ceiling was like the roof. Not the roof, but there was something there.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I hear you.

[Rosenberg]

No, you're hoping, sure.

[Peter]

But realistically, how many weeks do you have of being meh before you go? Well, they took a little swing with an affordable risk. It's nothing.

[Don Hahn]

He wasn't meh in week one. Right. And that he was.

[Peter]

He was above me.

[Don Hahn]

That's what had people excited. And then week two comes along and he was. No, he was worse. He was, he was what you worry about, which is the inaccuracy that comes up, that creeps up and, and there's. There were plays in the first half of that game. There were plays to be had that he found a way to ruin just with bad passes, with just abominable passes. That's the stuff that worries you is how could he look so good in one week and so bad in another week? And those weren't. That wasn't the Bills defense, that was him just missing throws. There was some, a couple that he also threw behind like again Garrett, they have a great relationship but man, like you throw behind me a couple of times and I'm going across the middle, we're going to have a conversation.

[Rosenberg]

No, you see around the league too, they're not going to tolerate that stuff. You see what happens with Hill and Tua yesterday and we'll get into that.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

At 4:30, you know, these are. These receivers are going to get very frustrated if the ball's not getting to him.

[Don Hahn]

Well, think about it. Garrett had eight targets in four catches. Two of them had to have been bad throws that he had no chance catching. Right. And then that's the stuff that gets frustrating. So the fields of it all is. Is the biggest frustration of this. And then of course there's the you you bought into week one only to get suckered. It's the whole thing of hope. I had friends of a Jets friends of mine texting me how depressed they were and they. And I just said because you got caught up in a moral victory. And that's the problem. They didn't win the game.

[Rosenberg]

But it's also the four letter word.

[Don Hahn]

Hope for a Jets fan.

[Rosenberg]

But it's also part and parcel to the fact that now you fast forward in Pittsburgh, you know, gets beat 3117 at home by the Seahawks. And the Seahawks could be a good pretty by Sam Darnold. Yeah. Right. So moving the ball didn't seem to be a problem for the jets or the Seahawks. Maybe their defense isn't very good in Pittsburgh. And offensively, you know, the Steelers wasn't like they were gouging the Seahawks defense the way again, the Bills gouged the jets on the ground. Now, you could say Allen had that big, you know, 49 yard run or whatever, but it was still 220 yards on the ground.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You know, so Cook was unreal is to stay so. Because if you look at the stats, they were not gaudy stats around. He had the long run. He only threw for like a buck 50.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

You know, it's just that they were. It was just ugly. It was just an ugly performance.

[Don Hahn]

Cook went for 132.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's it.

[Don Hahn]

And the 44 yarder was the one where they had him by the foot and somehow he's. He got.

[Rosenberg]

Tackling was atrocious.

[Don Hahn]

He was. He did those little dance to the left, dance to the right. He was gone.

[Peter]

When. When did Fields leave the game?

[Don Hahn]

It was second half.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. So it was like how deep or it was.

[Peter]

It was.

[Rosenberg]

It was deep in the, in the game.

[Peter]

So. So sorry. 3 of 11.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it's not good.

[Peter]

3 of 11. So this speaks to. I can't remember who our guest was last week who said this because we had a few really great football guests who said that the only thing they worry that Fields can do is off time stuff, but if you drop him back, he just cannot do it. 3 of 11. I mean, he ran for 49 yards. So again, you can get out.

[Don Hahn]

Here's all you need to know.

[Peter]

He can't drop back.

[Don Hahn]

Mitch Trubisky came in for two plays early in the game when Allen broke his. Or whatever happened to his nose. He had a bloody nose. He. He Right on. One pass. Out. Out. Gained fields. His in one pass.

[Peter]

For the record, his actual line was 3 of 11, 27 yards.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

His QBR was 1.1 and not good.

[Don Hahn]

His.

[Peter]

His rating, which you can get. All you got to do is show up and get a good rate. It's like the SATS. 39.6.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, he had a rough one. He had a rough one. And again, you know, we thought maybe could Dallas be had because their run defense wasn't great. They were ready. They were ready. They were ready for this game. And the jets look like a team that wasn't ready. I'm sorry. Buffalo look like it's. The jets were a team that Wasn't ready. Yeah, but everybody's today, Don, talking about Aaron Glenn, which this is. This is what I also can't stand is we start getting distracted by irrelevant stuff rather than the relevancy of the fact that this is not a good team and they have a long way to go to be good. Instead.

[Peter]

What's the Glenn stuff two weeks in?

[Don Hahn]

Because after the game he was doing the Belichick thing. He. Glenn, he didn't really want to answer questions. He gave you coach speak today. He said a little more. But Don, this. This is right to what you were talking about. How this is going to wear thin real fast when the losses start to pile up. After a loss like that. Postgame wise, the head coach had very little to offer to the media today. Again today he was better and a little more forthcoming. But this is what everybody wants to talk about. And this is the problem is we focus too much on this garbage than worrying about what the team looked like on the field. Well, it's not going to fix it in two weeks.

[Peter]

That's.

[Rosenberg]

That's what I was saying from the very beginning. Like, don't listen to all the. We'll see how it looks. All right. New sheriff in town. Still a lot of dumb penalties, you know, helping the other team out. When Glenn did speak after the game, he did talk about this team not backing down.

[Aaron Glenn]

The one thing that we're not going to waiver with. Not one bit. One bit. Brand that we say that we're going to play right. We're going to play that game right. And our guys will get better. Only thing we have to do is get ready to go back to work.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Aaron Glenn]

On Wednesday and we'll go from there. I do know that.

[Don Hahn]

Watch the film, Watch the film. Watch the film.

[Rosenberg]

He did that a lot.

[Don Hahn]

And everybody got caught up in that. And I'm telling you, don't get. Don't get distracted by all this stuff. Now this is. Start making it about the coach. And he's the. He's here for. He's been here for a minute. It's not going to be clean in one week.

[Rosenberg]

Well, yeah, this is what you. Allen was talking about.

[Don Hahn]

Justin performance.

[Peter]

How would you watch the tape, Tyrod?

[Aaron Glenn]

Did I watch the tape? What went wrong with a run defense? 224 yards allowed. I watched the tape.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that's going to get old really quick. But he did have a chance to kind of look at the tape and said this today.

[Aaron Glenn]

I know from the media to the fans, everybody expects this. You know, when you just Start. Okay, we're going to Super Bowl. But we've all played Legos before and we all know that, man, you have to make sure everything is aligned and you keep stacking it day by day by day. And to me, that's how I look at it. I understand the outside noise and I don't. I'm not affected by outside noise because I know exactly what works trying to build here. And I wish it was instant coffee, but it's not. You know, these things take time. And my confidence or the coach's confidence or the players confidence is not going to be shaken. And we're going to continue to do the things we got to do to build this.

[Rosenberg]

Now, listen, I've been on Aaron Glenn about being dismissive with the media, but I don't have any problem with what he said today because that's pretty much been the message since the second last season ended and Glenn was brought in. Zero expectations. But what happened, and I warned you guys of this, that all of a sudden the fans start talking. I think we can win eight games. I think we can win nine games. I think Justin Fields is gonna be good, I think. And then you start talking yourself up as Jeff and then they don't live up to your artificial expectations. And now let's kill Glenn.

[Don Hahn]

Now.

[Rosenberg]

That's it now, because I'm looking at social media this morning and I'm reading the reaction to this cut and it's. It's ripping into Glenn.

[Don Hahn]

How long do I have to wait?

[Rosenberg]

I've been waiting 15 years. Listen, what happened the previous 14 years has nothing to do with Aaron Glenn. All right? The fact that they haven't made the playoffs since 2010 has nothing to do with Aaron Glenn. And they never said anything, not a peep all off season that this was going to be a special year, that they were going to win a ton of games. This is it. Rex Ryan predicting we're making the playoffs. A lot of the Jet fans were optimistic. And good for you. It's the hope that Alan was talking about earlier in the show. But now what I don't like is when they don't live up to your bogus expectations, now you're going to eviscerate the team. Now, I'm not telling you to be happy about what happened on Sunday and I'm not telling you to be overly excited about what happened the previous Sunday. But guys, if you thought this was going to happen overnight, if Robert Sala was the buffoon, everybody thinks he was okay and clueless and no idea what they were doing. And let's face it, that's all on the table.

[Peter]

The.

[Rosenberg]

The way last year was handled by Woody, all the way down. Although you look at Albert and what he's doing in Atlanta, by the way, just saying that maybe you left him at defensive coordinator, things would have been a little bit better. Woody, okay, but that's all over now. Now you're giving it to Glenn. It was a dumpster fire. And you not only want the fire to be put out immediately, you now want a tree to grow out of it. I'm sorry. It's going to take some time.

[Don Hahn]

Ulbricht's a good coordinator. He's not a good coach. Not a good head coach, Right. That's the other problem is a lot of times you're finding people who are better coordinators than they are head coaches. It's hard to be a head coach. But you also have to understand this notion that we go through every time there's a new coach who comes in. And it's. Every time it's that same kind of energy that you get. You get drunk off the hope because maybe this time it's finally going to work. And then the minute you start to see issues, that's when you start to go, we're never going to get it fixed. It's never going to happen. Right? And the only thing I warn everybody is this, is that eventually Woody Johnson has to let somebody see it through. And this is the case of all people to let see through. It's Aaron Glenn. You got to let him see it through, whether you like his tactics or not in the media. And it will get tiresome. He'll figure all that stuff out. But week two, when you go, same old jets, it's never going to change. I'm going to tell you. Here's the problem. It's not going to change because the change doesn't stop, doesn't happen until it happens at the top. Leadership is what changes a culture and what changes the direction of a franchise. And if Woody Johnson gets impatient and starts listening to fans again, like he's. He tends to do, then Aaron Glenn's not gonna have a chance. But you have to, at some point stay out of it and let him build this thing. And so along the way to figuring it out, let's not forget, look at Dan Campbell's first season in Detroit. Detroit, the Lions never won anything awful franchise, right? A joke of a franchise who had one of the great players in the history of the sport and didn't know what to do with Him. He comes along and he has that press conference about biting kneecaps and everybody's all fired up and everybody's laughing about it, too. Then they go 1 in 15 and it's like, oh, my God. This same old rhetoric is that it's the. But you let him just keep building it his way. Aaron Glenn was there, so he knows. He saw it. Woody Johnson is the only thing that's going to get in the way of Aaron Glenn eventually finding success with the Jets. That's what I truly believe. But I'm not going to fall for a moral victory in week one of his first ever game. He's not coming in with a magic wand and fixing all the problems. Michael Clemens is still a Jet.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

And he shouldn't be a Jet.

[Rosenberg]

But you can't cut everybody because.

[Aaron Glenn]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I'm sorry, but if you're cutting the kid for fumbling the football, Gibson, he should be cut, too, because that's a moronic penalty in the moment of the game when you still had a chance.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, moronic penalty that was.

[Don Hahn]

But that's what I mean. These are. These are things that still have to be weeded out. These are things that still have to be fixed. And to look at Justin Fields and get to a point, at some point this season and say to yourself, he's the guy.

[Peter]

Or.

[Don Hahn]

Or you know what? He's not the guy. He's too inconsistent. We can't really buy in. And then you move from there. There's too much that still needs to be done before any Jet fan can have the gall to start getting mad or happy about moral victories or losses.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, listen, I got on Woody before, but obviously Woody was on board with the. To, you know, tamp down the expectations.

[Don Hahn]

Well, then stay out of the way.

[Rosenberg]

So hopefully that'll be the case because it's going to get loud because fans just don't want to lose every week.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, I get it. You know, but you said it that you can't. I wasn't here for the last 14 years. Don't blame me for that.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But you can't. You can't ask me to microwave success because you're impatient. You got to give me a minute.

[Rosenberg]

And you know, the other thing, too, again, I didn't look at the percentages, but a lot of Bills fans in the building, like, get used to that. That's going to be the case, man. You take a look at the game, you know. Well, who knows if Dolphins fans will even bother?

[Don Hahn]

It's the only time they get a Chance to see the team up here.

[Rosenberg]

The thing is, is that these, these fans are genuinely. Listen, they've been through a lot.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I mean I understand it without.

[Rosenberg]

Winning, but he don't give me moral.

[Don Hahn]

Victories last week and then now want everybody fired this week. That's insane.

[Rosenberg]

But if you have a history with the jets as you do not, not recent history because it hasn't worked recently, but there always has been the impact of the new coach. Remember what do you call came in? Eric Mangini came in, made the playoffs first.

[Don Hahn]

Sure.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Somebody else's.

[Rosenberg]

Edwards first year, comes in, makes the playoffs. Todd Bowles first year, almost made the playoffs. Right. Won 10 games, missed the playoffs, but we won last time. This team's won double digit games. They have a history of getting that immediate spark. But you know what? Didn't work with Gase, didn't work with Salah and I don't think it's going to work with Glenn because I just think the team's too far.

[Don Hahn]

Do you remember the early, early in Saleh there were moral victories. Early in Saleh's tenure was the same thing got smoked by the Niners, but it was like bloody. And you took a piece of the Niners with you when they left the field and you're like, see they're a. Now they play like there's the moral victories and I'm telling people, stop getting drunk off moral victories. Giants fans pay attention, don't get drunk off them.

[Rosenberg]

But, but no, I think you can see value, like as a Giant fan you could see value in some of the things that happen. All right, let apply it to the next week and the week after that. We're looking for consistency. One good game does not a season make. All right, we saw it with the jets, they played well against Pittsburgh. You, you want to look at it as a moral victory, but then when you wet the bed the next week, doesn't matter. The Giants go out there 40 to nothing against Kansas City. Guess what? Doesn't mean anything. Go out and lose 34, 31 and you move ball and you just lose to a better team. Well then, all right, that's two weeks. And then the charges could be three weeks. Then you see what we're talking about. But at some point it's got to be some consistency. But to another point you got to get some W's.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I mean.

[Rosenberg]

It's got to be one of them.

[Don Hahn]

We trip into a win every now and then.

[Peter]

We talked about that. No matter how the games looked, you get To a certain point there's no W's. Particularly what's a moral victory when you put up points against a bad team in the long run.

[Don Hahn]

There you go.

[Peter]

It ends up being a fun cute moment. That means absolutely zero unless they show they could do it again. You got to be able to this for the jets and the Giants.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter]

So both have been able to put up points against teams who clearly aren't very good. Can you do it against teams that can actually play? We'll find out what the Giants next week.

[Don Hahn]

And now the jets have Fields and concussion protocol so we don't even know what that's going to look like.

[Peter]

Although they're going to be. Will they be any different? I mean you could argue they'll be better.

[Rosenberg]

You can make the case that Tyrod Taylor could be better than Fields. You were hoping that wasn't the case but it's possible he right now at.

[Peter]

This would give them a better chance at this moment.

[Don Hahn]

See what we're doing.

[Peter]

The Fields thing let's just be fair. And again I say this is a guy who thinks Fields has some potential. It was a half assed attempt at anything anyway. This wasn't a real solution.

[Don Hahn]

$20 million they're not.

[Peter]

They're not going to become a real team with Justin Field feels like he's going to leave them.

[Don Hahn]

There are people that are thinking oh they. They'll. They'll discover what he's a top 10 draft pick and maybe it'll hit finally on his 13 Baker Mayfield story comes to mind.

[Rosenberg]

But this Arnold when you acquire a 26 year old quarterback that was drafted in the first round you. You are allowed to maybe but it's.

[Peter]

Hope it wasn't a true investment. Let's throw a little money at it. Put some money on it. Let's just see what happens.

[Don Hahn]

Seattle's doing this with Sam Darnold.

[Peter]

Sam has shown more though.

[Rosenberg]

Sam had a true mvp.

[Don Hahn]

Sam.

[Peter]

Sam was true. Justin has never had a full good season. But you Sam has.

[Don Hahn]

You can't tell me you fully buy into Sam Darnold either yet like you still kind of need to see it.

[Peter]

Hold on.

[Rosenberg]

But let's be clear.

[Peter]

As of this moment Sam is an entire level above Justin Fields. He did it for a whole year. He threw for 4000.

[Rosenberg]

Your hope hoping that it could be coming. I'll fix them.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Oh yeah. Because the jets are known for it.

[Rosenberg]

And listen like they did with Darth. Well but here's the problem is that you have a new offensive coordinator that maybe can fix them eventually, at some point they might be able to get it right. It's been 40 years, but at some point it should might be able to get it right. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start. Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to don't know the difference between matte paint, finish and satin or what that clunking sound from your dryer is. With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro, you just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates and read reviews all on the Thumbtack app Download Today.

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. This is the NFL Binge.

[Rosenberg]

Don on Rosenberg with you until seven. It's 4:30 on a Monday and you know what 4:30 on a Monday means.

[Don Hahn]

What does it mean?

[Rosenberg]

It means the NFL binge, Peter.

[Peter]

Oh, like you dream about, baby. Well listen, I know we were all dialed in to our action yesterday and the NFL binge of course is driven by our friends over at Ramsey Mazda and we were locked into the local action, Dom. But I don't know if you're aware of this. They play football all over the league.

[Rosenberg]

All over the league.

[Peter]

Yeah, they're busy doing all kinds of.

[Rosenberg]

One o' clock was very busy.

[Peter]

Well, let's start out with what the hell is going on in Miami. Things are things Are not great. Dolphins lose to the Pats 33, 27. This big moment from former commander Antonio Gibson on a kickoff return.

[Don Hahn]

And the kickoff right to left.

[Aaron Glenn]

A liner handled by Gibson on the run to the 20, to the 25. With the cut inside the 30, he bounces away near side, to the 45, 50. Gibson to the 35 of the Miami.

[Don Hahn]

30, 15, 10, 5. He goes the distance.

[Peter]

Touchdown pin drop, somersault. The punctuate. A touchdown return for New England.

[Don Hahn]

And the Patriots have the lead. No flags. No flags, Don. No flag.

[Rosenberg]

Come on. He's like, Kramer at the otb. He's like, huh? Yeah.

[Peter]

These look.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

These local football announcers sometimes are special.

[Don Hahn]

What's his name? That's.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, Zola.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Zolak.

[Peter]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Nah. Joe Rosa, Miami. Like. Yeah. It's just there. It's.

[Don Hahn]

This is what they love.

[Peter]

Let's ask the question we need to ask Mike McDaniel. Are you concerned about your job at all?

[Aaron Glenn]

I think if I worry about my job security, I won't be doing my job. And I think that inherently is against all things that I believe in. I've never felt entitled to this position, and it's very important for me to spend all of my waking hours worrying about exactly how to do my job. All the residual effects of that are. There's a lot of people.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Aaron Glenn]

I won't spend one moment thinking about all the things that whatever people want me to think about. I'm thinking about this team.

[Don Hahn]

And he's not. He's not being honest. He's just answering the court like he's trying to answer it. In a way he thinks is the best way to answer it. Yeah, but to say I won't think about it is. Come on, that's not human nature. Is to think about it.

[Rosenberg]

Multitask.

[Don Hahn]

You better be worried, by the way. You better be worried. I mean, if you're not, then. Then you really are missing the point.

[Rosenberg]

Coach, I noticed that you peed yourself during the press conference. Can you explain to me why you did that? Well, because I'm just thinking about football, and I don't even sense the urges in my body because it's all about the football. No, I think you can multitask. Otherwise you wouldn't have gotten this high up. So you can prepare. You can be totally engulfed in your job and also think, boy, I'm in a little trouble here. I think you can do both. So I get you can't say that.

[Peter]

But. But things are not great, Bob.

[Rosenberg]

Pants on fire.

[Don Hahn]

Get get on your coaches about, hey, we got to coach a little better here. We're all going to be out of here like this. You know, Come on. Like there's a serious seriousness to the job that you also have to understand that what your team. Nevermind. Owen too. What your team looks like. Yeah.

[Peter]

And also what the hope was last year versus where it landed. It has not been good. Now, there was a crazy ending in Indy which screwed all three of us. We all liked the Broncos. They're up to one and a half. They're up. They're up to. Well, no, for me it would have mattered, Don, because I just need to get off the schneide. Like it wouldn't have helped me because we all had them. But I need a win and I. This, this hurt me. The line was one and a half. Broncos up two late. Crazy ending. The Colts miss a 60 yard field goal to win. Or so they thought. Broncos called for a 15 yard penalty. Leverage, allowing the Colts one more chance. And guess who got to call it? Our friend Chris Carlin on ESPN Radio. So here is Schrader after that costly.

[Rosenberg]

Penalty for Denver with a chance to win it.

[Peter]

A reprieve. The snap, the spot, the kick is up. It is on the way and it is good. And at the buzz, the Indianapolis Colts have won it and have gone to two zero for the first time in 16 years.

[Don Hahn]

Fantastic call.

[Peter]

And Chris nails it. Yeah. 2009, the last time the Colts started at two. And oh, that is before the Luck era.

[Don Hahn]

Wasn't that Peyton?

[Peter]

We are still Peyton Manning.

[Don Hahn]

09. Peyton's Manning, right?

[Peter]

That's correct. That's how far back we're going to the Manning.

[Don Hahn]

That is crazy.

[Peter]

Yeah, two for two. And oh, by the way, 29, 28 Daniel Jones now two and oh. Don't look now, Giants fans. I'm not saying he's going to be the mvp, but Indiana Jones is balling a little bit.

[Rosenberg]

Good. I like. I'm not going to sit here and say I'm an expert on leverage, but I didn't see a lot.

[Peter]

Well, Sean Payton and the Broncos go to one on one. Let's ask Coach Payton about that penalty.

[Rosenberg]

They called leveraging. I think they called it on any.

[Don Hahn]

I want to look at the tape.

[Aaron Glenn]

I haven't seen it, so I think that's who the foul was called on.

[Don Hahn]

He looked at the tape.

[Peter]

It's not what you want.

[Don Hahn]

He said it was the correct call.

[Peter]

We did.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, today he did. He did. Today. He acknowledged after watching the tape. He said the call Was correct.

[Rosenberg]

I think that's the high road for him.

[Peter]

So we said we'd get to this sum. And we shall. The Chiefs now have been had not once, but twice by the Eagles. Let's hear the call from, of course, Wip in Philly. Biggest play hurts under center.

[Rosenberg]

They push, they shove.

[Don Hahn]

And he's in.

[Peter]

Touchdown.

[Rosenberg]

They did it again. They quick snap it this time, Merrill.

[Peter]

Guys, I'm not. I don't want to get into a whole thing. I'm not gonna fight.

[Rosenberg]

This could be ugly. I don't want to batten down the hatches.

[Peter]

I don't want to get into a whole fight about it. Okay, let me tell you about Don. I like sports because of entertainment. I don't know if you know that. I don't consider sports to be, like, a political affair. I want to be entertained at every moment, Don, in which that game could have gotten interesting. There's back to back Tush pushes to end the drama.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter]

It just kills. So, like, from a football standpoint, I totally. I get the idea of, hey, you know what play we're running? This is the play we're running. We're stronger than you. Stop us. I get that. I'm not denying that as an argument, but from an entertainment standpoint, agree with the two best teams in the league. I want to see the Chiefs get the ball again. I want a chance for a stop at the goal line. They did it once. In both cases, they do it the first time. They just can't stop them the second time.

[Don Hahn]

I have. I have long been on the side of, if you want. If you don't like it, stop it. Yes. You know, that's what I've heard you say many times. I have. But as I was watching this game, I was doing the same thing. Like, oh, come on.

[Peter]

Like, really surprised to hear this.

[Rosenberg]

I'm a little surprised.

[Peter]

A little bit of evolution from the holster.

[Don Hahn]

Mainly because it's exactly what you said. The entertainment value is just completely snuffed out because. And then, by the way, the touchdown at first looked like they got the stop. Yes. And somehow underneath, he reaches the.

[Peter]

Like, what are we doing?

[Rosenberg]

Who is the rules?

[Peter]

It's one thing if they completely blow their way in, which they did. But when they. On the second, first down. But if they barely get in, it's so frustrating to think the defense basically did their job.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. So.

[Peter]

But it's not enough.

[Don Hahn]

I understood it for the first time why everybody would be sick. Like. Like, that sucks. But again, I'll say this. Travis Kelce Catch the ball.

[Peter]

Catch.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the ball.

[Peter]

What a brutal moment for Travis Kelsey.

[Rosenberg]

Never mind. See, I said it from the beginning. I said it all of last year during the off season. They. They attacked it the wrong way. You came across like you were sore losers. Get rid of the tush push. Because we can't stop it. They could have gotten rid of it just because. Go back to the old rule where you can't help the ball carrier. And I thought Pereira said it better. I don't know how you officiate that play.

[Peter]

That was interesting.

[Rosenberg]

You can't see anything if you're the officiating. So much can go on. So you could just come up with a rule. Hey, let's get rid of the tush push. It's not because we can't stop it. Heck, Kansas City was able to stop it how many times against the Bills in the championship game or the divisional round last year. Like so it can be stopped, but if they just went to a different angle. Not jealousy or we want to stop the Eagles. We don't like the Eagles. Just, hey, it's hard to officiate. It's very dangerous.

[Don Hahn]

We don't know what's going on.

[Rosenberg]

There's just a lot of ways that they can attack it to get rid of it.

[Peter]

Because the last version of it, the one that ended the game essentially, or the second to last one, I should say, you could argue there was a turnover. The ball ended up in the hands of the Chiefs. Now you looked at it and it was slow to getting to it, but where do you stop progress?

[Don Hahn]

Exactly?

[Peter]

How do you know? So you can't even have a chance to rip the ball. It's just frustrating to watch as a fan.

[Don Hahn]

But, but like that's, that's exactly it, Don. How you have to go about it is not to say just get rid of the runner, not to say that it's unfair. Just simply say that it's. Let's go back to the old rule. This is too difficult to officiate. And it's, it's. It's something that we just need to take out of the game.

[Peter]

Now here is Kermit. I'm sorry. Patrick Mahomes.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, boy.

[Peter]

What's wrong with the Chiefs offense?

[Aaron Glenn]

I think it's a little bit everything. Like I said earlier. I mean, we just like kind of one guy every play. I mean, you've seen there's. There's me missing throws early in the game and late in the game, and then there's a batted ball where I'm probably Hitting Noah for a 15 to 20 yard completion over the middle and then missing juju early in the game. I know I was pressured, but hitting him on that, I mean, it's just little stuff here and there. And so in this league, especially when you're playing good teams and playing good defenses, if you miss those little opportunities, those drives stall out. And so we'll play another great defense this week and so it'll be another challenge for us. And I mean, all we can do is get back to work and continue to work so that we can kind of iron out those wrinkles and be better as offense.

[Don Hahn]

I miss Garrett Cole. Just throwing it out there, it makes.

[Peter]

You, makes you think of him.

[Don Hahn]

I miss Garrett Cole, but he was not good either. And he has not really been great. In the first two games. He like, he did get it on the next try, but he had one deep ball that missed by 20 yards. You just don't normally see that from him. And again, the Kelsey thing, that's two weeks in a row with Kelsey. Like they're, they're just not right right now. But I still wouldn't throw dirt on them yet. I mean, they still have so much talent. They've got to get healthy, but they have not been right. Remember the. Under Belichick, the Patriots used to look like this in the first two, three weeks of the season.

[Rosenberg]

But the biggest thing for me is that there's competition in that division now.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

You know, for a while it didn't matter because the Broncos didn't have a quarterback, Chargers didn't have a coach, Raiders were lost. And now you now the Chargers look like they are a legit playoff contender. And Denver, I think, you know, yesterday notwithstanding, could be a really, really good team with an outstanding coach. So if they do slip guys in a very competitive afc, they don't be shy, they don't win this division. The only thing that will help them though, guys is that, you know, I think there'll be a wild card there because of some of the slow starts you've seen from some of the teams. But still it's early but they've got, they're in a legitimate division now.

[Peter]

The, the don, our team, our secondary team, the Lions appear to be back or maybe band you talk about it. Maybe the packers defense is just absolutely a different level altogether because the Lions put up a 52 burger on the Bears. Jared Goff, 23 of 28. You want to see the opposite of what Justin Fields line looked like. 23 of 28, 334 Five touchdowns, no picks, a QBR of 94, a rating of 156. Jameer Gibbs had 12 carries for 94 yards and a touch. And like that, the Lions are back in business. One and one in the NFC North. So, Don, I'm feeling better about this because, you know, they're. They're a team that. They're my old faithful that I like to go back to when I lost.

[Rosenberg]

You and I, we won a lot of games together with them.

[Peter]

What's winning games? Because I did. Haven't done one of that so far.

[Rosenberg]

It's the elephant in the room. You're owing six.

[Peter]

And by the way, I think this. I think this happened last year to start the year.

[Rosenberg]

Well, you want to. Playing. Playing around. Keep batting the bunny.

[Peter]

I don't want.

[Rosenberg]

Stop playing with your food and get to work. I. I really.

[Peter]

I don't mean to. I thought I. By the way, I really. I liked my Cowboys pick. There was no world in which I thought that the Giants were going to, I am sure, put up 500 yards.

[Rosenberg]

You don't think there were people that were in, like, a king of the Hill or suicide pool that were sweating that?

[Peter]

I had Dallas in my suicide pool.

[Rosenberg]

There you go.

[Don Hahn]

What was the spread in Dallas, though?

[Peter]

Four and a half, Five.

[Rosenberg]

It was five and a half.

[Peter]

Five picks.

[Rosenberg]

It might have went down to four and a half. I don't know.

[Peter]

Yeah, they won by a field goal.

[Don Hahn]

They only won by three.

[Peter]

Yeah, that's right.

[Don Hahn]

It was five and a half.

[Peter]

Yeah. I'm not. It's not going well for me right now. Now, we do have NFL action tonight as well. Like you dream about.

[Don Hahn]

Let's hear it.

[Peter]

My dream is strong.

[Don Hahn]

Strong nightmare.

[Peter]

Yeah. I mean, it's a. It's a dream. It's not a nightmare daydream. It's. Yeah, it's not a nightmare. And it's also not the best kind of dream. You know what I mean? You're gonna wake up and be fine. You know what I mean? No need to change in the morning.

[Don Hahn]

You're gonna be fine.

[Peter]

You're gonna. No, you're not gonna have to change, Don. You're gonna be fine.

[Rosenberg]

So it's a dry dream, is what you're saying?

[Peter]

Well, you took it all the way.

[Rosenberg]

Well, no, I did.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't say it.

[Don Hahn]

No, you did.

[Rosenberg]

No, I didn't.

[Don Hahn]

Without saying it.

[Rosenberg]

The Bucks, right?

[Peter]

The Bucks and the Texans. 7:00 clock on ABC.

[Rosenberg]

Es.

[Don Hahn]

Texans. My goodness.

[Peter]

And then deciding an AFC West west clash between the Chargers and the Raiders at 10 o'. Clock.

[Don Hahn]

That's.

[Rosenberg]

That's not nothing.

[Peter]

That's not nothing. The Raiders are one and oh, Chargers are one and oh, there's some foosball to watch.

[Rosenberg]

It's a divisional matchup, so there you go. The Chargers are somebody to watch and.

[Peter]

It'S in Las Vegas.

[Don Hahn]

Geno Smith's line is yours line going into the game tonight talking about how he's kind of been on different teams and he's never really been like the favorite and he's like, I've never been anybody's favorite. He's just recognizing no matter where he's gone, he's had some success or he's done something. Especially what he did in Seattle, kind of renaissance form. But nobody looks at him and says, that guy's good. Nobody's buying his jersey.

[Peter]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter]

There was a moment.

[Rosenberg]

Jerseys, he's been illegal a little bit.

[Peter]

There was a moment at the beginning with the jets where people were excited about what he could be. And then it just didn't.

[Don Hahn]

That went away fast.

[Rosenberg]

Then he took Eli's job with the Giants.

[Peter]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

No.

[Rosenberg]

Well, J.J. mcCarthy's out.

[Don Hahn]

Not a nice sprain.

[Peter]

I'm not seeing the word sprain official.

[Rosenberg]

How about Joe Burrow out three months. Think about what the AFC now off a toe. Let me just look at you Buffalo Bills fans. Let's stare at each other.

[Peter]

Three months.

[Rosenberg]

How do you not. How do you not get to the Super bowl bowl this year? You got the tiebreaker against Baltimore. Kansas City's off to an 02 start. Cincinnati just lost their quarterback for three months. I mean, come on.

[Peter]

I. By the way, what a bummer for Cincinnati. This was supposed to be their get back year.

[Don Hahn]

It's. This is Cincinnati, by the way. Daniels, who underwent MRI following week two lost to the negative, was diagnosed with a knee sprain.

[Peter]

Negative mri. Clean. Structurally clean. Very clean.

[Don Hahn]

Diagnosed with a knee sprain, according to NFL Network.

[Peter]

What's a sprain, Don? It's a boo boo. He'll be all right.

[Don Hahn]

Sprain is when like fibers tear.

[Peter]

Status for Sunday against the Raiders. In doubt.

[Don Hahn]

In doubt. Didn't Peter think he had a sprain?

[Peter]

Me?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Peter]

How'd that work out? I'm good, I'm good, I'm good.

[Don Hahn]

Can you play football?

[Peter]

Oh, could I start. I already would have been starting for a month.

[Rosenberg]

Could you have started that Sunday after the injury?

[Peter]

But that was a tear that turned out to be a meniscus tear. Now he did the mri. I waited for my mri. Jaden already went in the tube. There's no tear, no tear.

[Don Hahn]

Volpe had an MRI too. How'd that work? Oh, yeah. Small tear though. They could play through. They got a shot. Anthony Volpe.

[Peter]

I don't like what we got to.

[Rosenberg]

Get to that because you know we talked about the.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

President Trump being grimace for the Yankees. No, no.

[Peter]

By the way, it's over.

[Rosenberg]

I think, I think, I think benching Volpe is their grimace.

[Peter]

Oh boy.

[Rosenberg]

Nothing that really. And you know what? That's not fluky. That's they're a better team. But we'll get to that calls on the football of it all. We've got a big Ennis all day. All day Don on and Rosenberg until 7 right here on ESPN.

[Peter]

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[Rosenberg]

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There thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

John on the Rosenberg with you on 7 o', clock, 1-800-919-3776. Let's back to the busy phones on the football of it all. John in the car. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, John?

[Caller John]

Hey, Don. Peter, great to hear you. You had a quite a rant, Don, there in the beginning in reference to conspiracy theories.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Caller John]

So I need somebody to answer a question for me. How is it that these teams, the NFL sends, let's say, 20 balls to the teams each week, five of those balls are a different color. There are different, the whole sheet of it, the letters, different colored and everything. If you look, they play with a darker ball than they do now. I know that the quarterbacks get, you know, 15 balls, figure out which ones during the week they want to use. But the conspiracy that I had is the lighter balls that they kick with. And I'll back this up not only by the, the extended field goals that we, that you were discussing, but also have you guys taken a look into the punts And I'm sure everybody sees it, but I can't get an answer on why they're playing with two different balls.

[Rosenberg]

Well, if there was, unless it changed, there was a cable supposed to be harder to kick. So why would you.

[Caller John]

I've heard that the lighter balls shoot a, a helium in there.

[Don Hahn]

I want to know where you heard this from. Where'd you hear this from?

[Caller John]

Yeah, I, I got a couple of guys that coach in the NFL. They, you know, players that play and you know what, maybe I can get my answer, you know, in the mornings. But I.

[Don Hahn]

In the morning? How would you get it in the morning?

[Caller John]

From Bart. Because he would have that kind of game.

[Don Hahn]

Not since the K. He wasn't there with the cable. But, but, but, but like they just had a whole deflategate thing. That was a massive controversy. Correct. Many years ago. I don't know why the league would do anything like that. They give you 36 balls a game. Okay. 12 of them are cables.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

That are sealed. That are, by the way, they're factory sealed. Like you. Nobody touches them until it's time to like, kick.

[Caller John]

That's right.

[Don Hahn]

So nothing's touched there. The actual footballs themselves are the ones that they try to wear. They try to wear them in because it's.

[Caller John]

Whatever they did.

[Don Hahn]

The quarterbacks decide which ones they want to use. But. So you're trying to say that the kicking balls have helium to let them stay in the air longer?

[Caller John]

No, no, no. Yes, yes. If they shoot a shot of helium in there and regardless of the discoloration of the football, watch tonight's games and you'll see they play with a different football.

[Don Hahn]

The kicking ball is a different. I've already told you, the kickball is a different ball.

[Rosenberg]

They play with a different ball.

[Don Hahn]

That's already known.

[Rosenberg]

But the reason they play with a different ball, 12 of them, is back in the day, they were trying to reduce the amount of field goals. They wanted you to go for it on fourth down. They didn't want you to settle for long field goals. The kickers were too good. That's why I don't understand why there'd be a conspiracy to add more field goals. Well, not that long ago they were trying to discourage long field goals. So that's why I don't buy the conspiracy.

[Don Hahn]

Helium.

[Rosenberg]

I don't buy the conspiracy.

[Don Hahn]

Like a shot of helium would keep a ball in the air. You think?

[Rosenberg]

Listen, I guess the other guy that.

[Don Hahn]

Started this with the whole the league's not going to let you know, the.

[Rosenberg]

Chiefs go, these are your people. Because I could see the benefit of the Chiefs winning. I don't see the benefit of more field goal.

[Peter]

No.

[Rosenberg]

By the way, did you see the stat that since 2014 that is the fourth time the Giants have lost a game at the buzzer on a field goal of 60 or more yards. That can't be right.

[Don Hahn]

Fourth time.

[Rosenberg]

No. In 12 years, 21% of the 60 yard plus field goals since 2014 have happened against the Giants.

[Don Hahn]

I need to see a list back to those games.

[Peter]

That's crazy.

[Rosenberg]

But I. But I love conspiracy theories. Love them. Eat them up, don't.

[Don Hahn]

They're fun.

[Rosenberg]

But you have to have the end game. Why were they discouraging kicks and now want more kicks? Anthony Pusick, the Florida Georgia Sports center.

[Don Hahn]

Had a stat this morning since 2017.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

As time expires, a 60 yard field goal in the fourth quarter against the.

[Rosenberg]

Giants, 3 for 3.

[Don Hahn]

The rest of the NFL, 3 for.

[Rosenberg]

41, 3 for 3. And I could tell you I was in Carolina minding my own business, getting ready to do a Ranger Hurricanes game, of course getting excited about the Giants to beat, which was a good Carolina Panther team at the time. 63 yard field goal, I think beat him. I know the Eagles beat him on a 60 plus yard field goal and I think there was a 60 plus yarder in Minnesota. But to Allen's point, I give Allen credit. All of these were either early in the season or in a dome. So you know when I start seeing 70 yard field goals getting kicked in the snow in New England.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Buffalo.

[Rosenberg]

But it is, it is. It's just a pointless heartening.

[Peter]

But it's a pointless conspiracy theory by the way.

[Rosenberg]

Like who, who do.

[Peter]

Who overall is benefiting? Who's this helping?

[Rosenberg]

Why does league want more field points?

[Peter]

But point, that's not who wants. Yeah, but that's not offense. It's special teams. You know who wants more special teams?

[Don Hahn]

You know if Adam Silver's listening, if you shoot a little bit of helium into the NBA basket.

[Rosenberg]

Oh yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Half court shots get the three point.

[Peter]

Line even further back.

[Don Hahn]

Are you kidding me? Just put them up and they'll stay up.

[Rosenberg]

Adam Silver's would suggest that there's a lot of free content that you could watch all these field goals on and you wouldn't have to pay for it because it's a highlight league. Right?

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, it's all that's. People only consume highlights.

[Rosenberg]

We needed to dive deeper into that. But it was like a busy week.

[Don Hahn]

You wanted to make it plenty of time for it.

[Rosenberg]

But that was asinine. That was to me that was the level of the piece of tin comment for Manfred. Right?

[Don Hahn]

Yo. Yeah, yeah. He man fretted that day. He's too good for that.

[Rosenberg]

I was listening to 1050. I was listening to like national coverage over the weekend. Flipping around. They were breaking down how the problem with Adam Silver is he sometimes he makes sense, but he's sometimes goes a sentence too far like he was making sense and then instead of just stopping then he started saying about that like he went too far. Yeah, like somebody needs to say, all.

[Don Hahn]

Right, yeah, cut the mic.

[Rosenberg]

All right, 1-800-919-3776. We got lots to get to. We've got the Mets and the Yankees from the weekend, more jets and Giants. If you're just joining us, big five o' clock hour at six o', clock, we've got enn. It's Don Hanna Rosenberg. We're hanging out with you until seven on ESPN New York.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.

[Rosenberg]

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