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Hour 2: Jets QB Development & Fraud Alert Friday
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This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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That sounds like heaven to me.
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Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers 401.
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Of the big city Don Hahn in Rosenberg here on a Friday. Football Friday. We're gonna get into the football, but I need to tell you game time is brought to you by Tullimore Dew Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time, guys. Yeah, it's Tully time. It's Tully time. Jacob on it. As usual. The Knicks play host of the 76ers with coverage immediately following us on 880 at 6:30 coverage of Oklahoma, Alabama, the college playoffs. You can hear that on 1050 with coverage at 7:30. We'll join the game in progress on 880 after the Knicks coverage. And on the ice, Islanders play host to the Canucks at seven. And I'm out here with the Devils there in Utah to take on the mammoth at 9 Tullamore Dew, the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast mature and Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Dew or try the new Tullamore Dew, honey, during today's action, glasses up to enjoying Tullamore do responsibly. Great game last night. Seahawks win by a point. And if you were listening to my pick yesterday, I got my three because I play the stupid Ranger game where if I pick three, it's got to be on Thursday. It's got to be three, right? But I told you I wanted to be wrong because I'm a Sam Darnold guy and I, for some reason I just. I don't care for the Rams. I just. I never did. It's weird, really. The only time I ever rooted for the Rams, honestly, was the super bowl against the Steelers because it was Vince Ferragamo. They were the underdog, but I was. I always this. I'm stupid, man. The things that bother me. And you've gotten to know me, Alan. There's things that bother me. Like why do you even think about that? Their uniforms are fine now, but didn't it Always feel like the Rams numbers were ironed on their jersey. It just never felt. They felt looked cheap.
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Yeah, I know what you're saying.
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I don't know.
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I just never, you know, the Rams.
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To me, like the St. Louis Rams.
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That's the Rams really Louisiana wouldn't think that.
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Yeah. That to me was because that was the greatest show on turf. Because there was something special about that. You know, late 90s, early 2000s Rams, like that was like L. A Rams always felt like a fake team, like a fake NFL team, like a create your own team.
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Well, they don't get. Because they were in LA right then they played some time in Anaheim.
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Yeah.
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And that was on the old baseball field and all that. And then they go to St. Louis and they go back to LA. And the general feeling like you can make the case that LA shouldn't have a team yet they have two and now they've become good. But I do like Matthew Stafford store. I'm just saying, I. They don't appeal to me. Seahawks appeal to me. Although they got. I didn't like those uniforms at all last night. You can't even see the logo on the hell. I don't know how you felt about. I didn't like him at all. When they go to the fluorescent green. That's cool. The old throwback ones to like the Jim Zorn Seahawks. Those are cool too. I don't know what was going on last night, but they played great. Darnold out was outplayed by stat. Stafford was amazing through the no, look.
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Yards that no from Stafford was insane.
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But they disappeared in the second half. Seattle comes back. Were they down 30 to 14?
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Right. 5% CH to win the game or at least probability to win the game.
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Can we go, can we, can we reset those probabilities? I mean, how many times. Geez, the Giants at least three times been in that situation and still lost the game. But listen, I got the best of both worlds. I wanted Seattle to win the game, but I thought the Rams would cover. I got Seattle to win the game and the Rams covered. All right. So normally the hook doesn't come into play in a one point game, but it certainly did last night. So I get my three. But the. The Seahawks. I don't think the Seahawks are the best team in the conference, but they are the one seed right now. I still think the Rams are better. I think that'll be proven out when this whole thing comes down. But that was a nice effort by Seattle, nice effort by Sam Darnold and I'm just curious and I can ask you, because you are a Jet fan, how do you feel about Sam Darnold right now going into week 16?
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Yeah.
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Being the best quarter, being on the best team in the NFC going in. Well, this will be going into week 17, right. Because they played. This was week 16. So how does it feel that we're going, going into the holiday and Sam Darnold is the quarterback of the 1 seed in the NFC. Are you happy for him? Does it make you sick to your stomach or all of it? The magic one? Both.
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All of it, man. Like, it's because watching him last night, look, because you and I, we all had that same feeling, right, in the group chat last night when they were down 30, 14 and he was throwing pics, he was throwing to big fatties. Like he was, like there was that one moment. Didn't it look like he had the scene ghosts moment? Right. Like there was the one pick where he had this dazed look on his eyes and it was like, oh man. And it's, it was what we were saying going into the game yesterday. Sam Donald just can't win the big one. He's really good, but can he win the big one? And then he leads a comeback of epic proportions. I don't think the Seahawks have ever come back from that kind of deficit in the fourth quarter.
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Right.
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Wasn't it 0 and 100 and something? That was, that was. That showed you something that he, that the, the two point conversion to the moxie. There was a lot there that really was impressive. And it was for me, that's the part that was fun to watch. Like, look at you. Good on you, Sam. Like, look at it. Because as Anthony will tell you, and I've told this story a million times, everybody Drake in that, that draft was one that I paid close attention to. I was doing the night show then and I was just obsessed with those quarterbacks in that draft. And I watched them all and I watched them for two years at usc. And it was one of those quarterbacks I thought, the jets are never getting a guy like this because he's going to go too high. Which is why I was so focused on Josh Allen that year. But man, like when the jets got him, I felt like this guy's legit. Like he's a, he's a real quarterback. They just, they got to coach him up, teach him and develop him. And it was Adam Gase and you know, Dalla Loggins was the offensive court. Like they, he couldn't stay on the field for various reasons. And the last season was, I can't even put it on him. It was such a disaster. They had to make a decision on the fifth year option and the business decision was take another quarterback. So you reset the clock, which was always something I hated. But you understood it. But now when you look back, you say the jets did not know what they had and then they took a worse quarterback. That was a, like you talk about setting a franchise back. So yeah, I'm happy for Sam, but I'm sick to my stomach thinking that's how bad the jets are. That's how poorly run they are. They had no idea what they had and they, they let it walk out the door because they took a worse quarterback.
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And of all the quarterbacks that they selected, all right, they got something out of Sanchez. Going to back to back championship games. Although I don't think he was worth the fifth overall pick.
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No, but then they failed him because they tried to open up the playbook. Everybody was saying free Sanchez and, and let him throw. And I'm telling you, Schottenheimer's like, okay.
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I will tell you that, you know, they, they failed him, but they got something, they got something out of him. The only court, the only quarterback that failed the jets to me was Zach Wilson. He was not a good quarterback. I don't think anybody could fix him. That was a bad pick.
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So was Christian Beckenberg, second round pick. Yes, but he was bad.
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That was bad. But at least that's a second round pick. Not, you know.
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Yeah, but he was a second round. Tony. He's a second round pick and he didn't even play. He didn't play.
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We're talking about Sanchez at trading up to five together, right? You know, taking Sam Darnold at three, taking Zach Wilson at two. I mean these are colossal failures. But they failed the quarterbacks, not the other way around. And Darnold, and listen, it took time, right? Carolina screwed up worse than the Jets. They gave him the fifth year option, didn't get any out of him, right. And then he goes to Minnesota, gets some education, takes that education to Seattle and now he's, he's a really good quarterback. I don't think you're winning a Super bowl with Sam Darnold. How do you know the jets would take a Sam Darnold more so than everything that they have right now?
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Why would you say that?
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Because I, I do think there is something to, does he have it to win the big game on a consistent basis? I still think that's still very much up for Guys, and this is coming from a Sam fan. I like him as a person, I like him as a quarterback. I think the jets failed him, but. And that was a great win last night. But, you know, can he do it on a consistent basis? We saw last year what happened in Minnesota. But maybe, maybe I'll be proven wrong and I want to be proven wrong. But you know, I still think, you know, Matthew Stafford, given a second opportunity, if that game were to ever be in Los Angeles, opposed to Seattle, could go a lot different, you know, but hey, if they can, if they can hold on to the one seed, that's going to be moot, right? That you're going to have to go to Seattle, a tough place to play, although they've only been average at home, but still the jury's out on that. But they failed, Sam. Like they failed pretty much every other quarterback. And the question is, forget those regimes, they're gone. Can this current regime, when they do get the quarterback, whether it's a veteran, that's a project or trade or draft a quarterback, will they get it right where the other regimes failed? And the only evidence you have right now, Allen, quite frankly, is the quarterback play this year. You know, Justin Fields was a project, right. And he failed. Is that on Justin or is that on the Jets?
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Both.
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And, and so. So now the jury's out or leaning towards. I'm not sure if this regime could do anything with the quarterback either. I say it at time. People can drink here too. When we used to have Steve Young as a weekly on this time slot back in the Michael K show days where he talked about the jets are where quarterbacks go to die. They don't develop quarterbacks, they've got defensive minded head coaches, they just don't know how to do it. Does this regime know how to do it? The evidence is no right now. But before you get crazy about bringing a quarterback in, guys, and that quarterback being the right guy for New York and the right guy for the system, ask yourself, are the jets the right team for that quarterback? Because in most cases the answer has been no.
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And you have to consider Tanner Angstron is a young offensive coordinator. Like not a ton of experience there. You got him. He jumped two spots from leaving Detroit because no one else wanted the job. And there was some connection there, obviously with Glenn, but also with the Ben Johnson offense that they really wanted to see if they could bring over. And, and then you have Justin Fields, who's a quarterback that really can't play that offense. That's not who he is. So that was. That's what I worry about. So you want this. I cannot stand when coaches have this sense of, this is my system. You'll fit in it versus your skill set. I'll build around that. Which is what they did with Lamar Jackson in Baltimore. That was the brilliance of what they did there. Because Joe Flacco was obviously not going to play any style that's similar to Lamar Jackson. But once he got hurt and they had to go to Lamar, they had a whole playbook just for Lamar. We're switching it. This is what we're doing. And the rest is history. The guy's multi MVPs. So that's to me how you should have done things here and not have Justin Fields come in and say, all right, we're going to have you run this. Just Jared Goff offense, you can do it. He could not do it. He's not accurate enough. Everything about his background tells you this is not what you do.
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What?
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Well, to me, what you should have done was take the Ravens playbook and say, let's play this way. But they didn't. So that's why when you ask me, do they have the people in place to develop a quarterback, my answer is no. No, there's no evidence that tells me that they do. So to draft one, especially in a draft that's a weak draft with players who. And we're going to talk about the College Football Playoff, there's a couple of quarterbacks that might decide to go into this draft if they have a good run because they might get some top 10 guarantees. And that's where you want to go. That's where you want to go. That's where the money is and the guarantees, if you are a quarterback that a young quarterback, that's going to need time and development. The jets are not the place for you to go.
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And I was thinking about this too with Joe Burrow.
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Yeah.
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About how Carson Palmer was in his ear about Cincinnati. And I thought about it. I'm like, you know, it's all the history does matter in a sense. Like why should, why should this current regime suffer the slings and arrows of the past? Right? They've only been here a year.
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It's fair.
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But there is a history of just how the perception is of the quarterback position and how long it's been and also having the former quarterbacks hanging around to be in the year of the new guy. Right. Like, you know, Eli is talking to Jackson Dart. Right. He's around. He's around the facility. I can't think of anybody better to prepare Jackson Dart for being a franchise quarterback with the Giants and having Eli Manning hanging around, swinging by the practice facility, texting with me, talking with me. Right.
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Yeah.
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A Phil Sims, even. I don't know if Phil does, but I'm sure if the Giants called and said, phil, can you swing by, you know, and, and talk to Jackson? I'm sure he would. Right. Well, who do the jets have. Right. Joe. And we know Joe Willie has been somebody that's tried to help, but Damn, that was 50 years ago, man.
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That was a different game.
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It's a long time. I mean, Vinny Testaverde, he had his moments here.
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Vinny Pennington, like, those are guys you need to have around. But Chad, they had Chad around in the past. They've had Chad around, but years ago, he's doing his own thing now. But you're right, there, there is. That's the problem. There's nothing to fall back on as far as, like, for support. But, you know, to be honest with you, was Brett Favre there for Aaron Rodgers? He didn't need Brett Favre.
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I don't, I don't.
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He needed Mike McCarthy.
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I don't know. Like, I know the reputation is that he did, but just, just. You don't think that Aaron Rodgers just being in the room with Brett Favre didn't, like, help him? Yeah, I guess seeing how he prepared, watching during games.
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Yeah.
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You know, you know, what was the any given Sunday moment, right, where at the end of that game, the old veteran backup quarterback comes in and plays and Jamie Foxx goes to the coach, he's like, man, I learned more in that second half watching him play than my entire career. Like, I know it's a movie, but it's that same thing sometimes, just watching, even if that guy isn't specifically trying to help you. And it get just. Success breeds success, right? You walk into a winning organization and there's just a vibe, you know, whether it's the banners hanging up on the roof or just the general vibe of this is where quarterbacks play well. And this is a place where quarterbacks don't do anything. You know, even in years, which they won, they did it in spite of their quarterback. Or like Sanchez kind of game, manage, don't make a mistake. It's been a long time since the jets were good because of their quarterback.
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You need one to start it. The same as the Saints. The Saints. The Saints have had decent quarterback history, but they didn't have any success.
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Right.
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But once you get Peyton And Drew Brees like it. All of a sudden, everybody figures it out. It's funny, they had nobody to lean on. It's just get a. You got to get a really good coach who has a talented player and put those two together and let it grow. But the jets just can never seem to get one or the other or both at the same time.
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You just brought up something so interesting because the NFC version or one of the NFC versions of the Jets. The Saints.
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Yep.
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The ain'ts we grew up with the Saints being a joke. More of a loser organization than the jets were.
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Yep.
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Because at least we saw the jets go to a conference final in 82.
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Right.
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So you remember.
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I'm sorry, Don. But just for those who aren't old enough, Ken o', Brien, Al Toon and Wesley Walker, that was. They were deadly. Kendall Bryant was putting up. He put up 500 yard games, 400 yard games. Like that was never an issue then and then.
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No, that was, you know, they tried.
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It with Boomer, they tried to find. Then they got Vinnie and then they had great success because they had a coach and a quarterback, and that's why they were good then. Well, that's.
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That, that's what you needed. But, you know, back in the early 80s, watching the jets when we were kids, they weren't that far removed from 1968, so it didn't feel like that bad.
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Right, right, right.
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But the Saints always stunk. And, and you, and you look at the quarterbacks and are, you know, Archie Manning was a good quarterback, but it was a lousy team. Never could find any coaches. They tried Ken Stable, remember him at the end of his career playing for the Saints, A bear like they had decent.
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Yeah.
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And then it came together when, when they get Drew Brees. Yeah. And they get Sean Payton.
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Right.
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And they win a Super Bowl. You know, the New England Patriots, they get Bill Parcells, they get Drew Bledsoe. They're playing in a Super Bowl. They get Belichick and Brady. They win a bunch of Super Bowls. The jets have been chasing the two areas that you have to fill the two boxes. You have to check if you have any chance to win. Where's the coach? Where's the quarterback? And that's been the issue.
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Name me the team that won anything without one or the other. It's very rare. And the only ones that did had not a good defense. A generational defense.
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Yeah. You know, the, the, you know, you go to Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer, the two quarterbacks you think of that won Super Bowls that weren't great. All right, that's 20, 25 years ago.
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Right.
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With historically great defenses.
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Historically.
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And, you know, and Brian Billick, who I think is a very underrated coach. And Tony Dungy, we know how good a coach he was. Or I guess. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was Dungey.
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Right.
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Because I'm trying to remember Gruden. Dungy, who came first, but you know what I'm saying?
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Well, no, yeah, Gruden. Gruden won the one. Gruden. He won the one with Brad Johnson. Because the Raiders. But.
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And the jets haven't been able to find either of those. Two. 1-800-919-3776. Lewis is in New Jersey. You're on ESPN, New York. What's up, Lewis?
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Hello, fellas. Last night. You hear me, guys?
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Yeah.
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Oh, sure.
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Yeah. All right.
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All right.
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Last night, you know, I was watching the Knicks. I was feeling good about myself. It was a beautiful game. Although I do agree with Gil. If we got maybe a Michael Jordan type, maybe Air Bud, I heard he's coming out of retirement.
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That would be nice.
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You don't know. He'd be great at the three. So I flipped over to the Nets game, and I guess, you know, I thought maybe they'd beat the Heat, but I guess they're going to be rebuilding till my grandchildren are dead. So then I flipped over to Thursday Night Football because I was remembering what Don said, that he hates the Rams. And so I went in the game and I was like, you know what? I'm rooting for Seattle because I'm gonna hate the Rams, too. And I flip it on. And at first I think I'm watching the wrong game. Maybe it's an XFL game. I don't know what I just put on because Seattle is wearing uniforms that look like they were designed by a kindergarten class that wrote the letters and numbers in glue and had them roll and sprinkle in sparkles for some reason. And so now, unfortunately, my own, you know, weirdness, I have to root for the team in a regular jersey against the team in the al new jerseys because it just makes me ill. And the Rams chocolate soft serve in their pants. The stat, I believe, was Owen142.
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The.
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The Seahawks were when it went down by 14. And then the most improbable two point conversion I've ever seen. No one on the field.
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Yeah, no one.
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No one on the field knew it was two points.
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It's hilarious. Like, Don, the most improbable thing. You know what, Lew? Thank you for the Call. We're getting feedback, so. But I'm glad he brought it up because we never really got into it. Just, just 60 seconds here, Don. Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen anything like that. Like, that's like a critical two point play. He throws off somebody's back, it falls to the ground, play is dead, everybody stops. And just, just because it could have been anyone. Just because he picked the ball up and then took two steps into the end zone. If he picked the ball up and walked the other way, what is it?
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Yeah.
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Hands it to the ref, like, what? What is it then? It's unreal. A moment like that. Could you imagine if that happened in a playoff game?
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Like, well, I mean, but you're still talking about it happening. In a game where the one seed's up for grabs, it's not nothing.
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Isn't it weird? They don't blow a whistle. They don't. Like every sport has an end of play moment, right? Baseball, you call time. If you don't call time, ball still live, right?
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Yeah.
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Basketball, we know there's a whistle, there's a buzzer, there's something. Hockey, same thing. When do you have a play that ends but yet the ball's live and no one knows it, not even the officials knew it. That's crazy.
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That's the thing about football. And I know that like the baseball people will tell you that other, other than the pitch clock. That's the beauty of baseball is a game's never over because, you know, it doesn't have a clock. But even football with a clock, we still see things we never see and comebacks that are improbable. The one thing that they got right, you know, in a lot of these sports, you know, the 60ft, 6 inches and the 90ft for the bases, like, it's just right. When you see, when you see the throw to first base, how they just get the guy in time, you're like, boy, that's the perfect distance, right? Football, they got the scores right. Three for a kick, seven, six for a touchdown.
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Number.
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They figured the math works. And the two point conversion is one of the great revolutions of the 21st century too. I can't believe people fought it as long as they did. You know, for a younger generation of fans, they don't realize that we were talking about a two point conversion for decades and nobody wanted to do it. That's college. We never do that in the pros. What would life be without the two point conversion?
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Yeah, yeah, you have a chance. It's two score games.
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Now all of a sudden right down 16 is only still down two scores right where in the past the game would be over. It's pretty unbelievable. What also is unbelievable is how much people have loved Fraud Alert Friday. I thought it would get old. It's only gaining strength. So this will be an Anthony Pusick LED vehicle. Get your emails ready, get your calls ready. It's Friday. It's Fraud Alert Friday and it's all happening here on Don Han and Rosenberg.
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Screw. Go scratch yourself. Front Alert Friday is driven by Ramsey Mazda and leading the parade today. Still in the control room as I'm sure the studio back in New York is completely dark again.
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E
Not only is it dark, Anthony people, we have construction going on in the studio too.
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C
Nice. It is everything. And it's about time. It only takes two weeks to fix a mic stand.
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E
Tarped and covered. I don't know what's going on in there.
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C
Alan and I were able to fix it during a commercial break.
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E
Media Jolio described as one of those bars where you could go and break stuff. Like a rage room. Like a rage room. Right now it looks like it's all tarped up. We can go in there and just break everything.
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D
Love it.
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E
I wouldn't recommend doing it, but here we are anyway.
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D
Demo day is the best day, boys.
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E
Thank you to everybody that participated in our live edition of Fraud Alert Friday. Last week at your mother's house.
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C
Can't believe that was a week ago.
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E
That was a week ago.
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D
That's crazy.
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E
Borelli's was a week ago.
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D
Oh, I miss Borelli's already. When are we going back, boys?
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E
I just missed out. Well, yeah, it's on you.
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C
I'm happy it was just the three of us. That was like the perfect. The three people. The two people that I wanted to be with the most. Anthony Pusick and Alan Hahn.
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D
Sorry, Jake.
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C
Great restaurant. Well, Jake wasn't an option. He wasn't there. If Jake was there, like at. At your mother's house, he would have definitely been invited. I. I've broken bread with Jake. He's a. He's a good friend.
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E
We had a call from the great Chris Maczkowski in the studio. Everything. A lot's going on here.
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D
Wow.
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E
I don't know. Probably. Probably. Hey, where can I connect for next.
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C
Magic man, tell him it's Friday. He's got to wait.
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E
Jacob, tell Madge it's fraud alert Friday. All right, so.
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C
And he knows.
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D
He listens.
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E
Yeah, he understands. But to that point, we have a follow up from last week's fraud alert Friday. You remember Joe from North Potomac talking about his wife that grew up, born and raised in Ohio, surrounded by Buckeye Nation and a die hard Ohio State fan, but went to the University of Maryland for her degree. Key details left out. And she points out, thank God my husband's not a lawyer. I enlisted into the United States army right after high school, so I did not attend Ohio State. The army ordered us to Maryland, and I am pursuing. Becoming a surgeon, so I attended the UMD to attend night classes after work for my bachelor's in neuroscience. Overachiever. So that I can apply to medical school. I don't root for UMD sports, and I only attended the school for their neuroscience program. Given my circumstances, I did apply to Ohio State for medical school, and I'm waiting to hear back from them now that you know all those details. Don, am I a fraud for being an Ohio State fan, but attending the University of Maryland?
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C
No. Well, that's not why you're a fraud. I just don't know why if you didn't go to a school, you'd root for them. But since, hey, maybe you would have gone if everything was equal to Ohio State.
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E
She's trying now. She's trying now.
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C
That has served our country. A fraud. No. So, no. And you know what? Was it her husband or boyfriend? Who was it again?
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E
Husband.
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D
Husband. Yeah.
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C
Disbarred. Have. Do not have him defend you because he left out very key evidence that would have changed the verdict completely. So your husband's a fraud. All right.
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E
Hit the gavel.
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C
And you know what? The rare.
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D
The rare.
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C
Bad guy.
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D
Fraud.
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E
Bad guy fraud.
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D
Guy. Fraud.
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E
Kayla, thank you for your service.
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C
This is what I'm going to say. I think she can do better.
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E
And by. And by the way, not even. Not even in our court.
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D
That would.
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E
That would go to. That would go to army court. That would go to the military tribunal, I would imagine. But we've taken. We will send it to the proper. To the proper places and get this taken care of.
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C
I have no jurisdiction on all. Everywhere.
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E
See, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah, I didn't know that. We have a guy who says he's giving his second attempt at fraudulence, and I have to scroll for this one. So here we go. Hi, guys. Please help me confirm if my recent Don led New Jersey Devils fandom is or is not fraudulent. I'm a 35 year old man from Staten Island. I'm a die hard Mets fan. They're absolutely my number one team. I attend at least six to seven games a year. The Giants are easily my number two team, but they're a distant second to the Mets. I'm a basketball fraud, so let's go to hockey. I'm not going to explain why he's a fraud for basketball. That's not why we're here. For context. My family in New York are casual Ranger fans, while my family in New Jersey are big Devil fans. I didn't watch much hockey growing up, but I played all the time. Both organized in the street with friends, so I've always had a longing for it. For the last decade or so, I've made a concerted effort to pay more attention to the NHL as a whole. I started by listening to Don's Game Misconduct podcast. Hey. Which led to watching more on tv. I remember that podcast. And so on and so forth. I'm now proud to say that I've watched and followed the last five Stanley cup playoff finals. I have been active viewer of nationally broadcasted NHL games during the regular season as well. However, I've done so without a team to call my own for this entire time. The Rangers have had some runs over the last decade, but I've never really got behind any of them. Neither did they. I just don't feel a real connection there. And despite my family in Jersey's connection to them, I never really felt a connection to the Devils either. However, that fateful day earlier this year when Don announced the big news that he'd become their new TV broadcaster, let's just say it moved. It felt like someone sexy was lifted.
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D
Oh wow.
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E
Okay.
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C
Something I've listened to. Do you have any other announcements he wants to make?
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E
Almost every weekday and day since Declare Friday. I almost Ron Burgundied that that would have been real good. It's on every day in my house. I love all of you, but Don is myself and my whole family's favorite host. He even sent us a wondrous cameo a few years back. I am now going to become a New Jersey Devils fan. The question is, after 35 years of apathy and now my favorite host becoming the Devil's TV announcer. Am I a fraud?
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C
See, that's movement, man.
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D
I agree.
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C
Hit it, Jacob. No, there's no fraud. And I'm not saying that because of the bias of him becoming a Devil fan. Because of me. He never declared.
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D
Right.
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C
He never declared fandom. He could have went with the Rangers because they were better and they were going to the Stanley Cup Final. He could have chosen any team of the NHL, those five, you know, Stanley cup finals. You could be a Florida Panther fan. Right. I'm gonna root for the Panthers. They've been in three straight Stanley Cup Finals and one two in a row. But you know what? We found weirder reasons why somebody becomes a fan of a team, and he decided to become a fan of the Devils. As long as he sticks with it, no fraud. No fraud at all.
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E
Okay, this is a nice fraud alert Friday. We haven't found. Well, we have the husband. That's a fraud.
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D
But, yeah, you. You. You said she could do better, which wow.
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C
Should be. And if she knows what she's doing. Soon to be single.
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E
A lot going on there. All right, let's hear from Jeff. I initially went to college at East Carolina University, then transferred to fdu. Teaneck, I guess. Fairleigh Dickinson. Teaneck.
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D
I would hope so.
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E
Where we had no football team. Nothing to root for at fdu. Teaneck and ECU had some so. So seasons and players. I. E. Jeff Blake. Good for him. A boss of mine was an Alabama grad and always got me to pull for Bama. And my son ended up being a huge fan and attending Alabama for school. Am I a fraud for touting Alabama and wearing Bama gear? P.S. my daughter attends Maryland, and I'm not pulling for them at all. Sorry, Peter. Roll Tide.
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D
See, that doesn't make sense.
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C
Yeah, see, I was gonna make a verdict, and then that last sentence came.
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D
Yeah, that blew it up.
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C
Because I was gonna be like, well, listen, you know, he obviously, you know, had an attachment to Alabama because of his son, but his daughter Marilyn gets left out.
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E
Marilyn gets left out.
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D
Never mind that. Gone. His money goes to Maryland. Oh, yeah. What are you doing? You better be rooting for that. Like, you should be all in. You should be a Terrapins fan. True and true. All your money is going there.
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C
Well, here's the thing. Here's why he's a fraud. Because he didn't attend Alabama. Just his buddy was a Bama fan. I was gonna remove fraud when I found out. Well, his son went there, all right, but then that gets disclosed because his daughter went to Maryland, is not rooting for any of their teams. So he does not get credit for his son going to Alabama. So it's like that didn't happen. He's just a yo, yo. That didn't go to Alabama. That's rooting for Alabama.
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E
Fraud, selective fraudulence.
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C
And if you want to blame anybody, blame Anthony because he read the last sentence. If he didn't read the last sentence.
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D
Oh, if he left that out.
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E
Hey, listen, I can't.
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C
What, am I going to withhold it? No, you're not supposed to withhold information. I can't withhold evidence because then what happens is you have a mistrial. Yeah.
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E
So we do have our first fraud email of the day. Let's do one more from CJ and then I believe we have a call on the line as well. According to the evidence, I am a fraud. Okay. I don't know why we're here.
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C
Yeah.
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E
I am Casey, and I am from New York, and I'm a huge Michigan State fan, even though I didn't go there. My father and brother played football for them.
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C
Okay.
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E
I did not have the pleasure as I went to school at Campbell University on a wrestling scholarship. I am a fighting camel. Yes. That's our mascot, Campbell Camel. You know, camels are dangerous. I think camels are very dangerous. But we are a small, small Division 1 school. Am I a fraud for rooting for Michigan State?
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C
Well, no, no. None of you have family go to Michigan State and played football.
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E
Father and the brother played football. They'd call you a fraud if you didn't root for them.
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D
Right.
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C
And the great Carl Banks went to Michigan State. Another good reason. All right, Jacob. Hey, I know you're on the phone. You're talking to Madge about connections. You know, we have an afternoon drive show.
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D
We do have a drive show going on.
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C
6:30 is going to come at 6:30. Right now it's 2:41. Okay, we've got a drive show going. I can't lose people on the drive show because you've got yo. Yo connections to make. Not my problem. All right, now, from now on, unless it's a caller, don't answer the phone.
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E
Actually, was. That was. It was a call.
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C
I thought it was a. For a Friday call.
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E
That's why it was. It was Juan and White Plains talking about the Yankees. That's not going to happen right now.
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C
We will call unless. Let me see if Jacob. What Jacob's doing. Jacob's doing the board. All right? He's doing fine and he's doing the board now. I forgot what I was going to say. He got me so angry.
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D
Oh, no.
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C
Hit it. No fraud because he had family go to Michigan State and played football. So no fraud.
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E
All right, let's.
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C
Let's get to the call. Let's get to the caller before St. John's engineer calls.
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E
That's right. Billy in the truck. What do you got?
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H
Hey, guys, appreciate you taking the call.
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F
Before I get to my question real quick, though.
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C
You guys didn't like those Seahawk uniforms last night? I thought.
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D
No, I see. I didn't hate.
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F
Really.
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D
I didn't.
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C
Disgusting.
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D
I thought they were interesting.
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C
I like, they were shiny in all the wrong places. I couldn't even see the logo on the helmet. It was.
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D
I don't know if I loved them, but I. I didn't hate them like Don. Don. Vitriol. Hate.
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C
Hey, definitely.
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H
Definitely eye catching.
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C
Definitely eye catching, though. My soul's vomit. Onto the. Onto the fraud. So I think I was about 4.
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D
I didn't. I left.
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C
Go. I'm sorry. Go ahead. I said. I said vomit's also eye catching. But nobody thought. Okay. Since I was about four, me and.
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H
My dad have been trying to go to every football stadium. Now, when we go to these games, we always root for the home team. So I'm rooting for the Cowboys, commies, Bills, Patriots. The only time we didn't do that was when we went to go see the Eagles in 2022 when they played the Giants in that week 18. There we just kind of sat silent because we didn't want to. We didn't want to be too.
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C
Too out loud.
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H
Rooting for the Giants day.
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C
So what team do you root for?
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H
The Giants.
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C
Giants.
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D
Yeah.
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C
You're a Giant fan and you rooted for the Cowboys. Well, just because you happen to be there.
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H
They didn't play the Giants that week.
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C
They played the commie.
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D
No, you know what?
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C
Thank you for the phone call. I mean, if you really. If you really thought I was going to say anything other than free. You don't understand the concept. If you did not have a football team but you're a Giant fan, consciously going to Dallas and rooting for the Cowboys under the pretense. Well, they weren't playing the Giants. It's the Cowboys.
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D
I mean, that and the Eagles.
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C
You sat there silent when your team was playing.
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D
I got to be honest, like, is that. That. That might be the most fraudulent. That's. That's like throw away the book. Right.
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C
Like this.
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D
This might be lifetime fraud.
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C
I. Well, listen, you know, fraud is fraud, but that's. Yeah, there's. There's got to be like, gold medal fraud, bronze fraud, you know, crystal fraud, something like that.
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E
I think they take you away.
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D
Yeah.
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E
And if they did that, it would probably be in a Mazda.
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D
This? Oh. Oh, nice.
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C
Oh, I guess you're telling me this. Where would you get that? Is that what you're saying? Well, fraud Alert Friday is driven by Ramsey Mazda. It's the experience of driving a new Mazda, buying a new Mazda from Ramsey Mazda. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. I will finish my sentence when we come back as I was rudely interrupted. And because we do, we will continue the conversation. We'll reset at five picks at 5:30 today because Alan's got a scoot to do the Knicks and Sixers so we'll make our picks at 5:30 and Anthony Pusick led Ian at 6. If there are any other, you know, engineers, they're going to be broadcasting games. They want to call and take up Jacob's time. I can't give you the backdoor number. You probably know it already. So Paul Strager out there, Chris Mackowski, you know, whoever, just I'm going to tell Gary Jefferson, let Tyler Murray call and just make sure it's only the afternoon drive show. What could they possibly be doing?
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D
They don't do this in the morning show. I know that.
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C
No. So good, so good, so good.
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B
Thanks for listening to the Don Han and Rosenberg Podcast I didn't listen to.
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C
Anything you just said.
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B
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.
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C
How about that?
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D
I like it.
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C
I've sang this song many times publicly, as fans of the show know. Yeah, 1-800-919-37776. Get back to the busy phones with the fraud. We continue to do that, and then we'll pivot at 5 o' clock with a big 5 o' clock hour on a Friday. Phil in Florida. What do you got, ma'? Am?
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H
Yeah, it's a bill in Florida.
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C
Okay, Bill. I'm sorry.
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H
No problem.
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D
No problem, Don. Get it right.
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H
Okay, here, listen. Here's my situation. I went to Indiana, and I was there for undergrad and for law school, and so for basketball, Bobby Knight was the coach, and I was there for two national championships in basketball. And of course, the football team was horrible under Lee Corso. My kids then ended up going to Penn State. And so I had this rule in my house. As far as me, it was a personal rule that when it came to basketball, I rooted for Indiana. And when it came to football, I would always root for Penn State in terms of when they played each other in each sport. Okay, well, now it was never a problem, except for this year, because all of a sudden, Indiana is playing at Penn State, and of course, Penn State now is horrible and Indiana is ranked number one. So am I a fraud? Because when Indiana played Penn State, I basically said to my kids, sorry, now this time with what's at stake, I have to root for Indiana.
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D
I love this. I love this. Oh, come on.
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C
No, he's a fraud because Indiana, though. But he went to Indiana. But if Indiana had a better football team, he would have rooted for Indiana football. The Indiana football wasn't very good, as he. Senator Lee Corso, his kids go to Penn State. Penn State is routinely competing.
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D
Not only his kids went to Penn State, his money went to Penn State.
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C
His money went to Penn State. But he said. But that's not why he said it. He's. Because he could have rooted for Indiana football and decided, I'm going to root for Penn State, too. But he only rooted for Penn State in football. He didn't say anything about rooting for Penn State basketball. Money's going to the same place, right? He was. He was motivated by how they're doing. And so the second a Penn State falls off, they fire their coach, they're out of it, and Indiana's competing for a national championship, he pivots, and that Pivot is a fraud. I'm sorry.
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D
No, I tried. I tried. I could try.
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C
Listen, you know. You know I'm right.
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D
I'm not. I'm not denying it. I can't confirm or deny.
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C
How about that Nazi in Pine Brook? Looks like right off a Route 80. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, man?
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H
So, you know, I'm the resident Chiefs fan of the show. And after the debacle of this season, I sang my Swing Low, Sweet Chariot, coming forward to Carry Mahomes, and then I declared to my husband, since I kicked your ass twice in the Super Bowl, I'm gonna fall behind the Niners. Only if Don says I'm a supportive wife and not a fraud.
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C
Oh, Don, if your team is eliminated and you want to have somebody else to root for, and it's obviously somebody that your husband's, you know, rooting for, there's no right. I know they have played against each other in a Super bowl, but there's no rivalry between the Chiefs and the Niners. Maybe when they took Joe Montana away, but nothing. Really. No, I. I.
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D
Can I chime in on this?
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C
Go ahead.
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D
You. You are. You make the final call. I am not saying anything. I'm not trying to change the call. I just. Nause, you got to do me a favor, though. You can support your husband's team, but I don't. I don't think you should be, like, high five and jumping up and down, celebrate anything. Like, if they go on a run, you almost got to do it. Like. Like, just appreciate the moment, not get into it like it's your team, then it's. To me, that feels very fraudulent.
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H
Yeah, I can see that. That's how he supported me. Except when we were, you know, going against each other.
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D
Right?
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C
Yeah.
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E
Okay. I'll take it.
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C
I'll come it. How come it's happy. Happy wife, happy life.
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D
Happy wife, happy wife, happy life.
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C
Right. Which. Yeah, yeah. But there.
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D
But did nothing with the husband because nothing rhymes.
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C
I get nothing wrong. Yeah, nothing rhymes. But it's like, you know, it doesn't matter. His. You know, it's not attached to any kind of happiness or whatever. Why can't she high five him? They share a life together. He's happy. Can't you high five in the spirit of I'm happy that my husband's so happy and that I can high five him? No. Okay, well, listen, if. Then when you get your own segment and when I move on from this company and it's fraud alert Friday, led by Alan Hahn, it won't be. Then you can judge. I'm the judge. And it was, that was, that was a nice little respite. That was, that was a nice little conversation that you had. It means nothing.
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D
I said I wasn't changing. I wasn't changing the verdict.
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C
I know.
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D
But, but still, you know, I just, I thought we'd have a little recess, little conversation. That's all.
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C
I took it under advisement and then completely ignored it and decided to do what I was going to do anyway. 1-800-919-reset. Knicks with a big win. Unfortunately, another week in which the Giants or Jets are not playing in any big games at all. The jets for sure.
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D
Is it bad if I watch Burrow and the against the Dolphins? I hate the Dolphins and I want to speak Burrow into existence. Am I wrong if I am a Bengals fan for a day?
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C
I as opposed to being a Cleveland fan because I know that your jet you know, you tapped out a while.
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D
Ago these games Bills Browns have another again. I don't want the Bills to win. I hate the the Bill.
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B
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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D
I don't want to know how the sausage is made, but I just want to know it's good.
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B
Hear more of Don, Alan and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.