Hour 2: Jets & That Guy Thursday

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg: Hour 2 – “Jets & That Guy Thursday” (October 23, 2025)

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Episode Overview

This episode of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg show dives deep into the state of New York sports — with a layered look at the New York Jets’ ongoing quarterback drama, a passionate discussion on the recent NBA gambling scandal, and the quirks of sports fandom. “That Guy Thursday” makes its return, spotlighting the “hypocrisy police” attacking sports media over gambling ads. Listeners join the lively conversation with plenty of laughs and sharp-edged takes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Opening Banter & Music Memories (00:56–03:38)

• Personal Histories with Music
  • Rosenberg recalls his father’s strict music tastes: “My father did not allow rock music… [he] hated the Beatles and Elvis. Despised the both of them.” (02:11, Rosenberg)
  • Gentle, conservative tunes (“America”, Air Supply) dominated family car rides.
  • Quick shift to Don and Peter joking about the odd mix of genres, with Don playfully incredulous Air Supply “doesn’t compute at all.” (02:03)

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2. Devils Talk & The Aggressive Goal Horn (03:38–05:15)

• Devils Goal Celebrations
  • Debating if the Devils’ goal horn is “too much.” Peter: “The horn is aggressive. No, they got to bring it down.” (03:59)
  • Don jokes, “The new sound of the Devils… is sitting to my right. All you’re doing is drowning out the new sound.” (04:02)
  • Players’ recent performances, scoring streaks, and Alan’s voice battles as he calls games.

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3. Coach Talk, Parental Involvement & Youth Sports (05:15–06:05)

• Parenting and Coaching Commentary
  • Peter ribs Alan about being too involved in youth baseball: “Respectfully there, Joe Tori. Fill out the lineup card and call it a day.” (05:36)
  • Alan is advised to rest his voice, after a streak of broadcasts and family coaching.

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4. Hockey Bets & “Ice Picks” Segment (06:12–08:09)

• Betting on Rangers vs. Sharks
  • Peter: “I’d sprinkle it on the Sharks tonight because the Rangers can’t win at home… Not winning the second half of that, but give me the Sharks tonight.” (06:16)
  • “Ice Picks” becomes a running gag, riffing on sportsbook prop bets and video tributes for brief stint players.

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5. The “Let’s Go!” Phenomenon (09:45–11:00)

• Catchphrase Ubiquity
  • “Let’s go!” is dissected as the modern, universal sports celebration phrase.
  • Don: “That’s been a celebration in the NHL game that Zach and I play for a very long time.” (10:15)
  • Peter: “McAfee loves a let’s go.” (10:08)

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6. Chaos Over Peanut Butter & Jelly Preferences (11:19–14:14)

• PB&J: A Heated Debate
  • The crew roast Dave Rothenberg’s disastrous sandwich-making seen on social media.
  • Don: “If you put [peanut butter] in the refrigerator, you should be arrested.” (12:34)
  • Rosenberg: “Natural peanut butter… it’s a Yankee jersey with the name on it.” (12:59)
  • Arguments boil over Skippy vs. natural, with laughs and pointed personal attacks.

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7. Jets Owner Woody Johnson’s Comments & The Quarterback Controversy (14:14–23:51)

• Woody Johnson Calls Out the QB—Should He Have?
  • Don reads Woody Johnson’s recent comments: “If we could just complete a pass, it would look good. If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you’re going to see similar results.” (14:41)
  • Rosenberg: “Should he have said it? Absolutely not.” (15:02)
  • Peter: “[Woody Johnson] brings the noise. He had no problem with noise. He just wanted it to come from him and not somebody else.” (18:03)
• Aaron Glenn Forced Into Awkward Defenses
  • Aaron Glenn’s press responses appear evasive and defensive regarding the owner’s critique. (15:33–16:39)
  • Don: “It’s awkward because it’s your owner… His owner put him in the seat.” (16:59–17:05)
  • Segment culminates with a “who’s on first” exchange about who the starting QB will be. (19:05–19:33)
• The Inescapable Dysfunction
  • Consideration of backup Tyrod Taylor’s injury woes and futility of trying to spark fan interest or confidence.
  • Rosenberg: “So the easy answer would be, I’ll have Taylor start. Since my boss told me. Something’s wrong with me if I start Fields, but Taylor’s got a bad knee…” (20:33–21:13)
  • Don: “It’s not a decision between, like… the guy that throws ducks or the guy that if we hit him once, he’s probably going to end up crawling off the field.” (21:43)
  • The crew riff on the circus of QB options, joking alternatives (Ryan Tannehill, Colt McCoy, Josh Johnson, etc.).

Notable Quote:

• Rosenberg: “You’re never gonna win with [Woody Johnson] as the owner. Just can’t do it… He thinks he knows and he doesn’t.” (23:15–23:53)
• Don: “The problem with Woody is his brain gets in the way… It’s like the Wizard of Oz, for God’s sake.” (24:38–24:40)

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8. That Guy Thursday: “Hypocrisy Police” & Sports Gambling Scandals (28:02–36:46)

• NBA Gambling Scandal and Response
  • Don calls out critics conflating illegal gambling by players/coaches with legal sponsorship:
    “Why do people all of a sudden come out of the woodwork and say, well, the legalized gambit, once legal, one's illegal. Illegal gambling was brought up… What does that have to do with legalized gambling? Nothing.” (29:10)
  • Peter’s self-awareness on sports betting: “It’s kept sports radio alive. I don’t know, frankly, if I’d be sitting here with a job had FanDuel not come along…” (30:35)
• Rules & Accountability
  • The group draws clear lines between legal and illegal gambling, promoting the importance of rules and enforcement.
  • Don: “When it’s legalized, it means what—legal. That means there are rules… there are people that try to get around them. That’s why there’s the FBI, Homeland Security…” (31:48)
  • On whether gambling apps fuel scandals: “If gambling was not legalized, this still would have happened.” (32:43)
  • Discussion on player contracts, enforcement, and potential league-level changes.

Memorable Moment:

• Don (on Shoeless Joe): “Shoeless Joe beholden to DraftKings? What was his app?” (34:49)

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9. Callers and the Cultural Impact of Legal Gambling (42:40–51:12)

• Listener “Griff” Praises Don’s ‘Undefeated’ Broadcasting Record vs. Jets Woes
  • Light-hearted back-and forth about Don’s winning streak (43:06) and Knicks vs. Jets futility.
• Gambling in the NBA: Chauncey Billups Fallout
  • Griff: “The more crazier thing is Chauncey Billups, a head coach of an NBA team involved in this. It’s not a good look for the NBA.” (44:50)
  • Rosenberg and Don clarify allegations: the investigation centers more on a poker scam with some tenuous NBA links, not on Billups fixing games (45:07–46:32).
• Listener “Dave” on Gambling Normalization
  • Dave argues, “Because it’s legal, people now feel more casual and more comfortable participating.” (49:06)
  • Don: “Gambling didn’t suddenly join sports five years ago… That doesn’t mean this is new.” (48:14)
  • The crew agree the topic has become part of mainstream sports discussion, but highlight personal and professional responsibility.

Notable Exchange:

• Don: “It is still… a major story. And it’s not just NBA… the other leagues right now must be having meetings saying, ‘We got to make sure this doesn’t happen [here].’” (51:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Time | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|-----------------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:11 | Rosenberg | “He hated the Beatles and Elvis. Despised the both of them.” | | 03:59 | Peter | “The horn is aggressive. No, they got to bring it down.” | | 12:34 | Don Hahn | “If you put [peanut butter] in the refrigerator, you should be arrested.” | | 14:41 | Don Hahn (reading Johnson) | “If we could just complete a pass, it would look good…” | | 15:02 | Rosenberg | “Should he have said it? Absolutely not.” | | 18:03 | Peter | “Woody Johnson brings the noise. He just wanted to have it come from him...” | | 23:15–23:53| Rosenberg | “You’re never gonna win with him as the owner… He thinks he knows and he doesn’t.” | | 24:40 | Don Hahn | “The problem with Woody is his brain gets in the way… It’s like the Wizard of Oz…” | | 29:10 | Don Hahn | “Illegal gambling was brought up… What does that have to do with legalized gambling? Nothing.” | | 30:35 | Peter | “It’s kept sports radio alive. I don’t know, frankly, if I’d be sitting here with a job had FanDuel not come along…” | | 31:48 | Don Hahn | “When it’s legalized, it means what—legal. That means there are rules…” | | 34:49 | Don Hahn | “Shoeless Joe beholden to DraftKings? What was his app?” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:56 – Rosenberg’s musical upbringing and country crossover
• 03:38 – Devils’ goal horn debate
• 05:15 – Alan’s parental coaching & voice fatigue
• 06:12 – “Ice Picks” NHL betting segment
• 09:45 – “Let’s Go!” as a rallying cry
• 11:19 – PB&J sandwich showdown
• 14:14 – Woody Johnson’s QB comments dissected; Aaron Glenn’s awkward presser
• 19:05 – QB carousel and the “who’s on first” routine
• 21:43 – The futility of Jets’ QB options
• 23:15 – Chronic dysfunction under Woody Johnson
• 28:02 – “That Guy Thursday”: gambling hypocrisy police
• 32:43 – Legal vs. illegal gambling, player responsibility, historical analogies
• 42:40 – Callers: Undefeated Don, Chauncey Billups scandal, gambling normalization

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Tone & Style

The episode’s tone is irreverent, rapid-fire, and authentic — packed with ribbing, pop-culture zingers, blunt New York sports realism, and some serious moments about the impact of gambling on modern sports. The hosts maintain their signature mix of sharp insight, gallows humor, and relatable frustration.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode encapsulates the maddening state of the Jets (ownership dysfunction, QB futility, and media chaos), the challenges presented by legalized sports gambling (and the attendant “gotcha” culture’s attacks on sports media), and the lighter side of sports life (from family stories to sandwich wars). If you want to understand why New York sports fans have trust issues or why sports radio still matters, this hour is a microcosm of the whole wild, messy scene.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

No one forgets mom 60th and never.

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

It's time for WhatsApp message privately with everyone. Learn [e-mail] this is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app, and your smart speakers. It was me and you since way back when. But you can't make old friends.

[Rosenberg]

You know what? Don't know it.

[Don Hahn]

Did you see? I talk. All right. I wasn't being a hater. I was just being.

[Rosenberg]

No, I. I really could. What I wanted to do is. We've always said, I never heard that song. And then you hear it and like, oh, yeah, I know. I don't know this.

[Don Hahn]

No, there's no chance.

[Rosenberg]

And it's, you know, it's odd. I don't. Because you know how I'm into all the country crossover and my father did not allow rock music when I was growing up. We'd always listen to whn and every once in a while my father would go in, you know, to buy cigarettes or so get milk. Leave the kids in the car. Because back in the day. Leave the kids in the car but.

[Don Hahn]

The windows up, right?

[Rosenberg]

And I'd flip on like WABC or wnbc and Billy Joel would be on. And my father, come on. What is this noise? Turn it off. God forbid if he ever heard like some aggressive music or something. And they. He found that out later on when I got older and he just was like, oh, my, this is all. And then back to. To whn and the only non country that he liked, America.

[Don Hahn]

That's country, right?

[Rosenberg]

And he loved Air Supply.

[Don Hahn]

That. That doesn't. That doesn't compute. Air Supply doesn't compute at all. Like America I could get. Because it's kind of the same. Like the Eagles.

[Rosenberg]

The Eagles had a bit of a subversive. He. He hated the Beatles and Elvis. Despised the both of them.

[Don Hahn]

I can understand.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I can understand. Just. He didn't. He just didn't like rock, man. He didn't weird.

[Don Hahn]

Anything aggressive.

[Rosenberg]

Didn't like anything aggressive. He liked it gentle, very conservative.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that too. Yeah, that I understand.

[Rosenberg]

Like I said, my father watched all in the Family as if it was like a documentary of a.

[Peter]

Of a great man.

[Rosenberg]

A documentary of a great man.

[Don Hahn]

This man knows what he's.

[Peter]

Did you do you see this? Someone sent this Ballard text to me this under the guise of the La Greca effect.

[Rosenberg]

Oh no.

[Peter]

Take your headphone off, Alan. You see this happen at the Devil's Game?

[Rosenberg]

What is that?

[Peter]

There's like a metal concert in the Devil's Game?

[Don Hahn]

It's more like. Yeah, the devil's music at a Devil's Game is what it says. And it. Once a year it's a stage and people are. That you're seeing thrashing Things go the.

[Peter]

Way I'd like this to go. It involves Don coming out on stage.

[Don Hahn]

You have to come out like next year.

[Peter]

You said it's once a year. Anthony.

[Don Hahn]

I don't know if it's.

[Rosenberg]

I know that they do ones where.

[Don Hahn]

They highlight local bands and a lot of them are heavy metal.

[Peter]

I am Don.

[Rosenberg]

Apparently some of them were highlighted when I was trying to be on the air the other night.

[Peter]

Yeah, exactly.

[Don Hahn]

800 now 1-937. Well, you're probably busy working. Yeah.

[Peter]

You got things going on.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. You're a busy man.

[Peter]

You're maintaining an undefeated record.

[Don Hahn]

When you're doing. Calling games, you're doing things like this.

[Rosenberg]

Mercer Dillon doesn't waste any time with.

[Peter]

A jump and scores. He went since December 24th without a goal till last night.

[Don Hahn]

Make it two in a row for the defenseman. First of all, I'm with you now, Peter. The horn is aggressive.

[Peter]

No, they got to bring it down. I'd like them to bring it down a not sure. I got to talk to.

[Don Hahn]

They need to know now that the new sound of the Devils is not that anymore. The new sound of the Devils is sitting to my right like that. And all you're doing now is drowning out the new sound of the Devils. We could tone down the horn just a tad and let the man. Let him breathe just a tad. Just. I'm gonna talk.

[Peter]

I'm a bit. Don. You don't say anything.

[Don Hahn]

We got in the car. We're just say this on the air. Whatever. They're say this on the air enough times to say guys like they don't. In fact, you know what they should do? Score a goal his mic. Like when I'm interviewing the courts in house.

[Rosenberg]

Thank you.

[Don Hahn]

Right away. That's what it should be. How does it sound though? Like the Devils do so much winning and so much score. It's almost boring by. Isn't it?

[Peter]

So much running.

[Don Hahn]

Unless it's your first goal.

[Rosenberg]

Euro check for slashing at 449, doubles over one on the power play.

[Peter]

And they score his first NHL goal. Grit Su on the power play.

[Rosenberg]

And the Devils take a 3 nothing lead.

[Peter]

What a wrist shot. I think I know our boy's voice a little.

[Rosenberg]

It was starting to go.

[Peter]

Fighting against the horn. It keeps going.

[Don Hahn]

Right there is the. You could feel like the inflection point. The cruise shit just started to tear a little there. Yeah, yeah, right. That's.

[Peter]

That's where that is next year. Tomorrow.

[Rosenberg]

Tomorrow.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wow.

[Rosenberg]

We need to be quiet Sunday afternoon and then we're off to the west coast.

[Don Hahn]

You going Friday, Sunday afternoon, and then.

[Rosenberg]

You got a west coast and then right after the game, we fly spend.

[Don Hahn]

Saturday just not talking. Is that possible?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to do that.

[Peter]

But no, in all seriousness, I've got.

[Rosenberg]

A Coach Marcos fall ball team.

[Peter]

So I mean, critical. This is critical. Respectfully. Respectfully there, Joe, Tori. I think they'll be all right. Just fill out the lineup card and call it a day. All right. You got to go over. He's talking alleys, lanes, lanes. What lane are we thinking about today? Lanes, alleys. It's all made up.

[Don Hahn]

Guy wants to be Earl Weaver. So arguing with the umpire.

[Peter]

You shouldn't say a word from when we get off the air tonight.

[Don Hahn]

No.

[Peter]

And you should be reserved tomorrow during the show and then Saturday. He's right. You should go full silence.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Who they play tomorrow?

[Rosenberg]

Sharks.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, my God, there's another dub. Geez.

[Peter]

Don't start counting ducks.

[Rosenberg]

Be careful.

[Peter]

Let's see we don't cancel.

[Rosenberg]

The Sharks haven't won yet.

[Don Hahn]

Exactly.

[Rosenberg]

And you do catch them on the second of back to backs because they're at the Garden tonight.

[Don Hahn]

You want. By the way, you want to sprinkle something on this game?

[Peter]

No, you know what? I'd sprinkle it on the Sharks tonight because the Rangers can't win at home. Sharks need to win. Not winning the second half of that, but give me. Give me the Sharks tonight.

[Don Hahn]

So is that your ice picks? Are we ready for ice picks already?

[Rosenberg]

Already.

[Don Hahn]

I wonder what the line is.

[Peter]

They're probably. They're probably getting a goal and a half, Anthony. It's my guess.

[Don Hahn]

It's funny.

[Rosenberg]

It's probably getting a goal and a half last night.

[Don Hahn]

As the buzzer sounds, my phone buzzes. After I'm done with the interview at og I grab my phone to see, like, is it producer? Whatever.

[Peter]

It's my new friend, Mayor Adams.

[Don Hahn]

No, my buddy Ben.

[Peter]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

Who's a big Rangers fan. He comes from Minnesota. Just to go to Ranger games. Wow. And he texts me, goes, oh, Garden teams are allowed to win at home. They're feeling it right now.

[Rosenberg]

And score.

[Don Hahn]

They're feeling it right now. Sharks are plus 220 plus. Plus a goal in half is minus 114.

[Rosenberg]

Plus 2, minus 1 14.

[Peter]

Give me the Sharks on the money line, I guess. Hockey Ron J.

[Don Hahn]

And break the frozen. Ice picks.

[Aaron Glenn]

Ice picks.

[Don Hahn]

Ice picks. I like it. Ice picks. I feel like we need Steins and.

[Rosenberg]

David Quinn going up against his old team. Right. Assistant coach for the Rangers now knows him well. Unceremoniously fired in San Jose. That's a. That's a bold pick, man.

[Don Hahn]

But I'm just waiting for the Alex Wenberg video tribute.

[Peter]

I don't get the joke.

[Don Hahn]

I need to.

[Peter]

To know that it's funny.

[Rosenberg]

So he scored a big goal and Barclay Goudreau.

[Peter]

Well, no, they both had big goals.

[Rosenberg]

In the conference final against the Panthers.

[Don Hahn]

First trade that ruined it all. Once a Ranger always arranges welcome back.

[Rosenberg]

I'm telling you, they will give. Not a video tribute, but they'll show you on the Jumbotron coming out of break if you played five seconds for a team.

[Don Hahn]

Why?

[Rosenberg]

Why not?

[Don Hahn]

Why not? It's just showing respect.

[Peter]

But it's.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you. Thank you for your service.

[Rosenberg]

Is it really showing respect or is it just kind of.

[Peter]

At what point is it just, yo.

[Rosenberg]

Yo, you know, you're just being too nice.

[Don Hahn]

Like, are you. Like, if you only played, like, five minutes on the team, do you be like, no, I'm good. No, no, no, don't. Just don't show me. Yeah, one on hockey here. Drake in Poughkeepsie. Hello, Drake.

[Caller Dave]

Yeah, I wanted to brainstorm a little hockey talk with you guys, but I want to start out by saying the best cover of Love is Strange is by Wings on the wildlife album. What are your thoughts?

[Peter]

I. I don't think I ever need to cut here a cover of Love is Strange again. But I'm. I'll be curious.

[Rosenberg]

I want to hear it.

[Don Hahn]

We'll get on it.

[Caller Dave]

Save that for a hot take Tuesday. Peter, I think you're gonna enjoy that one for the team. As far as the hockey talk goes, just in the absence of game misconduct, I'm feeling a little out of touch, and I wanted to see if we can maybe bring game this combat to life on the show once a week. No.

[Don Hahn]

You know what? All right. That's acceptable. I thought you were trying to get it back. Because this poor man's voice, he won't have one by the end of the.

[Rosenberg]

Season, we can't make him work anymore.

[Caller Dave]

But if you want a couple things.

[Don Hahn]

I was conduct segment once a week.

[Rosenberg]

Or it just could be like music.

[Caller Dave]

It could be Peter, and he could correspond with each of you guys as, you know, fans of the respective local teams. Rangers, Islanders, you got all three of them covered. If Peter's conduct.

[Rosenberg]

Do you want to have a segment every day or just like, hey, whenever you want to call up to talk about it, we're willing to have the conversation. So it doesn't have to be every day, but it could be organic where, hey, if you're feeling it, we're the one show that you can call and ask a question or bring something up. You know what.

[Don Hahn]

You know who's feeling it. Matthew shape.

[Rosenberg]

I love this team.

[Peter]

I love this hand.

[Don Hahn]

Thank you, guys.

[Peter]

Let's go.

[Don Hahn]

So fired up.

[Rosenberg]

Let's go. Is back, back.

[Peter]

It's been. Everybody's doing nonstop. Let's.

[Rosenberg]

Marco does it everything. Let's go.

[Peter]

It's the. It's. It's been like, how many. Anthony, how long? How many years? Let's go. Has been a thing.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know. It feels like it comes and goes.

[Peter]

But like the last couple of years, last three or four, is it like. It's. McAfee loves a let's go.

[Don Hahn]

That's been a celebration in the NHL game that Zach and I play for a very long time. Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Callie does it all the time. If something goes well, she'll just go, let's go. Yeah, like, that's her.

[Rosenberg]

It's not let's go. Whatever. Just let's go.

[Don Hahn]

It's just something went well.

[Rosenberg]

When I told she was able to.

[Don Hahn]

Get the cap off of something.

[Peter]

Let's go.

[Don Hahn]

I'm like, well, you were.

[Rosenberg]

You were on leave with Maya.

[Peter]

Sure.

[Rosenberg]

It was in the summer when I told Alan let's go is right. When I told Allen about the Devil Job. That was his response.

[Don Hahn]

Actually, I did say that.

[Rosenberg]

Let's go.

[Don Hahn]

Then you have Dave. Let's go.

[Rosenberg]

When Dave isn't putting things in his.

[Peter]

You know, I gotta ask questions.

[Rosenberg]

Open areas of his body.

[Peter]

Yeah. By the way, Dave's losing it.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, he's. No, he is losing it. Seriously.

[Peter]

He's falling off a cliff now.

[Rosenberg]

Listen, it's fun. It's funny though, right? To an extent that destroying property and not caring about your family, borderline losing it. But all of a sudden, you know, talking about, you know, the beaten Eagles and opening things up now. Now he's officially lost now.

[Peter]

Real Quick.

[Rosenberg]

Not when. Not when he was breaking his wedding dvd.

[Peter]

Well, I mean, that's because those. We were basing on the stories. Now we're hearing it live. What was the impetus behind him making a peanut butter and jelly sandwich yesterday?

[Don Hahn]

I.

[Peter]

It's.

[Don Hahn]

I. I missed that segment. I think he considers it baking or cooking.

[Peter]

Oh, he considers it cooking. Did you guys watch the video on Social of him making it? It's the most horrible attempt. The messiest. It's just a gob. I mean, it's like half a jar of jelly on it. It's insane. He can't. The man cannot make. He's 50 years old. He can't make a PB and J.

[Rosenberg]

And that's considered cooking. That's kind of like the RG3 with the cereal, remember?

[Peter]

Yes, I cook cereal.

[Rosenberg]

Cereal.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You know, and I'm sorry. You're gonna make a good PB and J. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

Less J because it gets sloppy. But the. But the. But the pb, they were right in. One thing that they said is if you toast a little bit of the bread, it does soften up the peanut butter and make it a little gooier, which is nice.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I toast the bread just so to keep the bread intact when you're putting the peanut butter on.

[Don Hahn]

Right. Otherwise. Well, it depends on where you store your peanut butter in the pantry.

[Rosenberg]

If you put it in the refrigerator, you should be arrested.

[Don Hahn]

Well, some require.

[Peter]

What?

[Don Hahn]

Who? Natural peanut butter. No, lotion.

[Rosenberg]

Natural peanut butter. Right.

[Don Hahn]

Stop it.

[Rosenberg]

Stop it.

[Don Hahn]

It's healthier, that's for sure.

[Rosenberg]

So then just don't eat it.

[Don Hahn]

What do you mean, don't eat it?

[Rosenberg]

Get Skippy. Get Peter Pan.

[Don Hahn]

Have you read the things that are in Skippy?

[Rosenberg]

Well, you don't eat it again. Don't cheat it.

[Don Hahn]

I don't. How should I get so all of a sudden?

[Rosenberg]

Refrigerate peanut butter.

[Don Hahn]

Well, some have to.

[Rosenberg]

You know what? Then don't have it. Honestly, you know what organic peanut butter is? It's. It's a Yankee jersey with the name on it.

[Peter]

That is ridiculous. Don's gonna harm Allen. You're gonna lead him into harming his voice.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, we don't want him to start yelling, but go ahead so you can say it to me. So I gotta deal with this.

[Peter]

No, no, just let's not. That's not. He can't control himself.

[Don Hahn]

Saying not to enjoy something because you're not going to have. With all the toxic chemicals in it doesn't make sense.

[Peter]

I agree with Alan on this. I think you can have A natural peanut butter that while it's not as.

[Don Hahn]

Sweet, you have to. Every time you open, you got to mix the oil because the oil does rye, like you just said, so it's.

[Peter]

Not as delicious or easy.

[Rosenberg]

So do it.

[Peter]

You can have a night. No, but you can have a nice PB and J.

[Don Hahn]

When you get your voice back, you're going to get it. That's all I'm going to say.

[Rosenberg]

All I'm saying is, is that it's adjacent to a Yankee.

[Don Hahn]

It's just. That's the.

[Peter]

That's. I love the comp.

[Rosenberg]

Just. I don't agree.

[Peter]

No, I don't. I don't agree, but I love the comp.

[Don Hahn]

Well, yeah, there's that.

[Rosenberg]

I want to win this argument. I believe volume can do it, and I just don't have it, you know.

[Peter]

Now you can't. You believe volume would be the route. That's not going to do it.

[Don Hahn]

I was told I had to read here, but I don't. It's not till the next segment, so I'm going to wait instead. We're going to get into this conversation. I need to have.

[Rosenberg]

Do it.

[Don Hahn]

Woody Johnson. This is from a couple of days ago, so we didn't really have a chance to go into this too deep. Woody Johnson spoke, which is the first mistake, which we're learning. But he said that Aaron Glenn's turning things around, right?

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

He gives him a hug every day. You know, all the things that make him the hero that he is. But he said it's difficult right now when, quote, you have a quarterback with the rating that we've got. If we could just complete a pass, it would look good. If you look at any head coach with a quarterback like that, you're going to see similar results. First of all, he's not wrong with anything that he said. But should he have said it?

[Rosenberg]

Absolutely not.

[Don Hahn]

Like, what are you doing? What are you doing? And why? You're. You're trying to support your coach, but while doing it, you're absolutely throwing your quarterback under the bus and making the rest of your team, making the rest of your leadership, your new leadership look bad by bringing in a guy that can't play. That's what you did there. So, of course, the media now has to ask Aaron Glenn about what Woody Johnson said. This is, I believe, Rich Samini, our very own, asking Aaron Glenn about Woody Johnson's comment.

[Peter]

Woody made his position pretty clear yesterday with the comments.

[Aaron Glenn]

Yep.

[Don Hahn]

Does that impact.

[Peter]

I mean, we know how he feels about. Justin clearly does not want to Play.

[Aaron Glenn]

But does that impact your. What made you say. Did he say that?

[Rosenberg]

Well, he was very critical of him.

[Aaron Glenn]

So what did he say? He said he couldn't completely pass. Did that say he doesn't like the quarterback? Did that say. Does he does quarterback's not playing? No, no.

[Peter]

He said how that his opinion impacts your decision. Your owner is basically stating that he.

[Aaron Glenn]

Doesn'T think Justin Fields is getting the job. Well, I said before that Woody puts that in my hand as far as who plays and I don't see that changing. Trust me to make that decision. Again, he made a comment and he has every right to his comment. And again, that comment was actually said by a number of guys, including our quarterback, as far as the efficiency of how we play. And we're not going to fight that. We understand that we have to get better. We do. But I don't think there's anywhere in that comment where he said he doesn't like Justin. Is he upset that, you know, we haven't completed the past. As far as what you just said he said, I didn't even read it. So I don't know. I mean, that's what he says. But overall we're on the same page.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I don't have the played out music, otherwise I would have done it.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, yeah. It's. He's just blindly defending it without having any knowledge of what was said. Because when you say he can't complete a pass, no quarterback rating, of course he's suggesting he shouldn't play. And then you go, oh, I didn't hear the comments. What are you doing?

[Don Hahn]

You know, he heard the comments.

[Rosenberg]

So the acknowledge.

[Don Hahn]

It's awkward because it's your owner. See, I'm not blaming Aaron. I can't blame Aaron.

[Rosenberg]

His owner put him in the seat.

[Don Hahn]

You're at the owner's meetings, so you know media is going to be around your team's own seven. It's a disaster. Absolute dumpster fire. Probably want to be scarce, right?

[Peter]

You would think.

[Don Hahn]

You probably want to be like, I'm not talking today, but Rowan said I got nothing to say. Right. Support my guys, want to see us win. Thanks, everybody. And leave. There's no reason for you to start engaging and start talking about your quarterback like this.

[Rosenberg]

There's no reason, especially what was possible.

[Don Hahn]

Team that already has enough issues, but at least it's been quiet around them because everybody is now apathetic. We don't care. And all you did was take the grenade and throw it in the room.

[Peter]

Once again, we finally passed a year.

[Don Hahn]

A year ago, was it. Is it anniversary of what?

[Peter]

Which part?

[Don Hahn]

When he fired the coach.

[Peter]

Oh, right around there. Not quite.

[Don Hahn]

Like, like, did you.

[Rosenberg]

It was coming back from London, so it had to be around this time.

[Peter]

But also we escaped there. Aaron Rodgers is gone.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter]

We don't have the noise anymore to have all the loud noise.

[Rosenberg]

Guess who brings the noise now?

[Peter]

And Woody Johnson brings the noise. He brings the noise.

[Rosenberg]

He had no problem with noise. He just wanted to have it come from him and not somebody else.

[Don Hahn]

Like, why are you throwing a grenade in that room? Why? Why do you need to say, like, honestly, this is somebody that, like, God bless their PR staff. God bless them because how many times you think they sit in a room and face palm like, oh, my God, what did he just do?

[Peter]

Why would you.

[Don Hahn]

Why? Especially, especially somebody should tell him, hey, you know what? You're at the owner's meetings, when the media comes by, just say, no, thank you. Let's just keep it moving. You don't need to say anything. You don't need to be quoted. You don't need to support your coach. You don't need to say anything. Just keep it moving.

[Rosenberg]

Especially when you know your head coach has to make a decision on who's going to start. So now you've influenced that decision. And now we have what I think could be a bit of a rift because last I checked, he still hasn't made the decision.

[Don Hahn]

Wait to hear this back and forth now. I think this is Brian Costello asking Aaron Glenn now about the decision of who he's going to start this weekend at quarterback.

[Aaron Glenn]

We will have a quarterback on Sunday. I would tell you that I wouldn't want to get. Give them a competitive advantage when I have that opportunity. But we will have a quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

The list was long, so for.

[Caller Dave]

Yeah, Tyrod.

[Aaron Glenn]

Did you say this day to day? Yes, yes.

[Don Hahn]

What is he dealing with?

[Aaron Glenn]

He's dealing with me. Just something that he had before.

[Don Hahn]

So just, you know who your starting.

[Aaron Glenn]

Quarterback is going to be.

[Rosenberg]

You are just not announcing it.

[Aaron Glenn]

So it isn't like this week is.

[Don Hahn]

A competition where you're going to have.

[Aaron Glenn]

I know who the starting quarterback is going to be.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Aaron Glenn]

Your son's on it. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

I swear, this is. This is a who's on first conversation.

[Rosenberg]

But honestly, I know it's fun to pick on the jets and the dysfunction. Does anybody at this point care? Like I'm being honest, I don't. Do you care who starts a quarterback? Do you care about this game, about Cincinnati?

[Don Hahn]

I think it really matters for everybody that was trying to convince me that if they start Tyrod Taylor, if they just go to Taylor. And I had to tell them two things. One, he's not that good. Otherwise he wouldn't be a backup quarterback. He's a good backup, but he's not a guy that you want starting. Two, look at his history. He always gets hurt. You cannot rely on him. Something happens, and then we find out what. He's got a knee, and it ain't a good one.

[Peter]

When people say that you have a knee, they don't mean you are physically able to bend your leg. I mean, there's a problem.

[Don Hahn]

It's a problem with that.

[Peter]

And yet it's still. It's still the better option.

[Rosenberg]

So think about this. All right? So the owner, your boss, basically tells the world we've got a quarterback that can't play.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

While you're making your decision on who's going to play on Sunday.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Rosenberg]

So the easy answer would be, I'll have Taylor start. Since my boss pretty much told me.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, I have to.

[Rosenberg]

Something's wrong with me if I start Fields, But Taylor's got a bad knee, so now am I starting Brady Cook? Like, what am I going to do here? So I do think what Glenn is doing is a bit performative, but I also think it's a case of I got to hope Taylor's able to go because I can't put Fields out there. If I put Fields out there after my owner's comments, how does that look? And then he's going to make him.

[Don Hahn]

Look bad, and then he plays bad, right?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. Or he plays well. It makes Woody look bad because Woody just said he can't play. It's a bad situation, man. But I think the knee injury has put Aaron Glenn in a really tough spot. Now, come on. Competitive. You think Cincinnati shaking in their boots about who's going to start a quarterback? All right. It's not a decision between, like, which.

[Don Hahn]

One do you want? Pick your poison.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, it wasn't exactly like.

[Peter]

And this.

[Don Hahn]

Guy that. The guy that throws ducks or the guy that if we hit him once, he's probably going to end up crawling off the field.

[Peter]

They're acting as if it was the way Andy Reid felt when he found out Jaden Daniels wasn't playing.

[Don Hahn]

Never.

[Peter]

Wait, you said. You said no Fields is playing. Oh, no.

[Rosenberg]

Guys, what are we going to do here?

[Peter]

Wait. Oh, it's Tyrod. How do we adjust for this?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, no.

[Peter]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. It could be Brady. Brady Cook. Who is that? Is it. Can he Throw. I mean, what does it matter?

[Rosenberg]

You want to Brady Quinn now if you want to. If you want to mess up Cincinnati, what Glenn could say is it's on the table. You might trade for a quarterback.

[Don Hahn]

I wish he'd say that.

[Rosenberg]

And then you don't know who to prepare for, because it could be anybody.

[Don Hahn]

If you're Woody Johnson and you want to get some kind of excitement or energy around your team, that's the stuff you say. Well, I. I know our guys are scouring the market to find the best of the best for my team. And well, and by the way, everything that we'd be looking.

[Peter]

And we're all in seven. Everything's on the table.

[Don Hahn]

On the table. When you're only seven, no job is secure.

[Peter]

Who's. Who's secure right now.

[Don Hahn]

And so I would, I would imagine that we're probably looking around the league to see what we can do to improve this. We've seen other teams do it now real quick. In fact, team we're playing ended up.

[Peter]

Matter of fact, we're thinking about asking to trade for Jake Browning before the game starts. They don't need him anymore. They got Joe Flacco. Yeah, we'll take Jake Browning.

[Rosenberg]

It would still be enough about Tom Browning. He pitched a perfect game for Cincinnati. At least you know there's some accuracy there.

[Don Hahn]

It's just amazing how again, this is not about Aaron Glenn. This is not about. This is strictly about what it is.

[Rosenberg]

We brought this up on Monday. You were off that. You're never gonna win with him as the owner. Just can't do it. And I know they came close in 09 and 2010, but over the last 15 years, he's. First of all, he's half out, right? I mean, he was gone for how long in the first Trump administration.

[Don Hahn]

He was, but he wasn't. He's not half out.

[Rosenberg]

That's the problem.

[Don Hahn]

I wish he was half out. He's. He's all in too much. He wants to talk, he wants to tell you how much he knows. Like, if you were another owner in the sport at some point, would you be like sitting at the table, like looking at him like you still own a team?

[Rosenberg]

Yeah. What's the matter with you?

[Don Hahn]

What are you selling this team for?

[Rosenberg]

Well, you know, the problem is, is that, you know, like, what's worse? Not knowing or think you know, and that's the problem. He thinks he knows and he doesn't. And there's nothing wrong with not knowing, Alan. Just cuz you're a billionaire doesn't mean, you know, football. Heck, I question how much John Marino's and he's basically had in his family and his blood his entire life.

[Peter]

Right?

[Rosenberg]

Because it doesn't automatically make you an expert because of how much you love it or how much money you have or how close you are to it. Some people know it. As arrogant as Jerry Jones is, and I'm not a fan, he does know the game. His problem is ego gets in the way. Yeah, John Mara knows the game. His problem is his heart gets in the way. The problem with Woody is his brain gets in the way.

[Don Hahn]

The brain is the wizard of Oz.

[Peter]

It's like the wizard of Oz, for God's sake.

[Rosenberg]

That's right. Everybody's missing stuff, except you're taking stuff away. Like now. The scarecrow doesn't take the heart away. I don't want the heart. I don't want the brain. I don't want the courage. That's the problem is John Marriott. Be better if you took the heart away.

[Don Hahn]

He just wants the yellow brick, Right? Just show me the way, Jerry.

[Rosenberg]

Would be better if you took the ego away. And you know, it would be better if you took the brain away now.

[Don Hahn]

Unreal.

[Peter]

You guys have any interest?

[Rosenberg]

Zero.

[Peter]

It would probably cost you nothing. The guy sitting at home playing tiddlywinks. You wouldn't rather play Ryan Tannehill than anyone they have sitting there? He's like 29 years old.

[Don Hahn]

When was the last time he didn't play?

[Peter]

Last year.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, like he was available. Nobody wanted.

[Peter]

Nobody wanted.

[Don Hahn]

Is his knee even intact?

[Peter]

Hey, listen, he's had a year to rest. How much worse could he be?

[Don Hahn]

I just, I thought he was on the table for the jets before the Rogers thing. He was one of the names for sure.

[Rosenberg]

Well, I, I, I would entertain Colt McCoy at this point.

[Don Hahn]

I know.

[Peter]

Where's Josh Johnson?

[Don Hahn]

Where's my boy?

[Peter]

Josh?

[Don Hahn]

Chase?

[Rosenberg]

Daniel? Anybody?

[Don Hahn]

Somebody? All right, we have that guy Thursday.

[Peter]

Yeah. Yeah, that guy.

[Don Hahn]

You have any of that? Guys, you want to call out? 800 now with 93776. Stay with us. Don Rosenberg, 8, ESPN New York.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch this show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. We all have that one friend.

[Peter]

I'm talking about the yo yos who.

[Rosenberg]

Set themselves on fire and bathe in pork and beans.

[Don Hahn]

Or know that one person I'm here with my family who can't help but be he's not cool.

[Peter]

His voice is weird. He's kind of a dork. His brother's a tool. His girlfriend's annoying.

[Don Hahn]

That guy.

[Rosenberg]

I didn't know it was banner night. We won't be out for that.

[Don Hahn]

It's time for that Guy Thursday. Hey guys, anyone want to play some ball with Don Hahn and Rosenberg?

[Rosenberg]

He's just being that guy.

[Don Hahn]

All right. That Guy Thursday driven by Ramsey Mazda. What do we have, fellas?

[Rosenberg]

Well, this is a collective that Guy because it happened today where the gambling scandal comes out in the NBA. Oh, how hypocritical. The next commercial break of a fanduel spot comes on and the pressure that comes from the association with the gambling apps. When there's a gambling scandal, right Getup ended up like taking one of the app ads down because there's awkwardness. Why is there awkwardness? Why do people all of a sudden come out of the woodwork and say, well, the legalized gambit, once legal one's illegal, Illegal gambling was brought up today as the subject. What does that have to do with legalized gambling? Nothing. If somebody gets busted for DUI in the NBA and we talk about it, should we pull all of our beer ads for the day. Why can't both live? Why is everybody so quick to call us hypocrites all the time? You're a hypocrite. Do you even understand what the word means? Just because we disagree doesn't make me a hypocrite. And just because we have a FanDuel spot or a DraftKings spot or an MGM spot doesn't necessarily mean we're condoning what those guys in the NBA did. There are two completely separate things. There are a legal way of doing things and an illegal way of doing things. If I bet the Ranger game tonight on an app is not the same as putting an X ray table underneath the cards and scamming people out of millions of dollars, can we see the difference?

[Peter]

And also the that guy is everybody who waits around for every opportunity for a news story to break so they can yell at anybody associated with anything to Don's point to try to make them a hypocrite. Right? So like you're already seeing people go after espn. Well, ESPN has ESPN bet. Well, this has that. Listen, I have mixed feelings on all of gambling. Okay?

[Don Hahn]

I do.

[Peter]

Of course I do. That doesn't mean that we're a not gonna cover when something like that happens. I mean, hell, in my life, I promote gambling. I get paid to do FanDuel. I got news for you guys. It's kept sports radio alive. I don't know, frankly if I would be sitting here with a job had fanduel not come along several years ago. That's me being honest with you. You want us to be totally dishonest. Everybody understands that these companies are making money. That has nothing to do with the fact that players are breaking rules, being involved in card games where they're duping mocks into playing illegal cards with Chauncey Billups. None of it relates to anything.

[Don Hahn]

And I just not the poker side of this.

[Peter]

Certainly not.

[Don Hahn]

And that's where most of them like that's we're talking about.

[Peter]

And the that guy is tens of millions. The that guy part is not that people want to conversations about this stuff. Of course we do. It's the running to social media to try to throw gotcha at the people on tv. See, look at you. Look at you. What? Why is this about the people who are delivering information to you?

[Don Hahn]

Because they need someone to yell at. Which is what social media has become. As we know, social media has become a place to yell at people. We have them and that's fine. But here's the problem. They're all there for it. You yell at them. But I feel like to me, what Don saying what you're saying all boils down to one thing. When it's legalized, it means what legal. That means there are rules. Right? That's what keeps it legal.

[Rosenberg]

There are rules.

[Don Hahn]

You follow them, and everybody can be fine. And when the gotcha people are the ones that don't believe that we can live in a world with rules. Yes, there are people that are going to break rules. There are people that are going to try to get around them. And the best part is that's why there's an FBI. That's why there's a Homeland Security. That's why you have people, a district attorney, because they're there to investigate and then prosecute those who break the rules.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

That's the process. But so what you should be doing is champion the idea that, you know what? They're not going out, look the other way. It's not hurting anybody. Who cares? Right? No, it's. It's. Let's. Let's take this thing down. This went too far, and we got to take it down. Accountability in the world is a good thing. Cause and effect is a good thing. Celebrate that less than you want to. You want to celebrate. See, gambling shouldn't be legal. No. Because if it wasn't legalized, this probably would be a lot bigger. A lot bigger.

[Rosenberg]

And it still would have happened. Like, if gambling was not legalized, this still would have happened. Matter of fact, I think this investigation. Investigation may have started before gambling became illegal.

[Don Hahn]

What year was it?

[Rosenberg]

They said go?

[Don Hahn]

They were going back to 2019 with these.

[Rosenberg]

No, it was already legal by then. But you know it. Believe me, A lot of these things were going on. You know, the whole Pete Rose thing, all the gambling he did that wasn't on apps, that was all illegal. You can make the case that, you know, you're able to clean things up a little bit more, because I'll tell you, you know what, If I owe DraftKings a bunch of money, they're gonna shut down my account. They're not gonna let me bet. Nobody's gonna come break my legs.

[Peter]

Right. It's a great point.

[Rosenberg]

The thing illegal gambling is if I don't have the money, they'll still take my bet, and they'll take the money some other way. If I go to one of these legal gambling spots and I decide to bet 50 bucks, I don't have no bet. Sorry. Doesn't work. So in a lot of ways, the legal gambling is actually giving people with a gambling problem an outlet to where they don't put themselves in harm's way?

[Peter]

Right, that's true.

[Rosenberg]

Unless they decide to cross the line.

[Peter]

Well, also, I just want to know, you know, for all the people who jump up and down about the stuff, and I've gotten this periodically over time for, you know, doing the fanduel reads or whatever different things we're doing, where do you draw the line of what's appropriate to promote or what's appropriate to have be legal? Because yes, you can certainly be addicted to gambling. You can certainly be addicted to alcohol. You can certainly be addicted to so many different things. But isn't the thing we love about America is that here you get the.

[Don Hahn]

Choice to do it?

[Peter]

It's up to you whether or not you're gonna be responsible with those things.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But again, it goes back to what Rosier did, what Porter did, what Damon Jones did. When it comes to giving information so others could benefit financially, well, that's just something that is breaking rules, and that's the breakdown. And to say that legalized gambling made this more of, like, more in the forefront.

[Peter]

Is ignorant Shoeless Joe beholden to DraftKings?

[Don Hahn]

I'm sorry, what was his app?

[Peter]

What Apple Shoeless show. Working with like.

[Don Hahn]

But like, that's what I mean. That. Like the Black Sox. Yeah. Was it. What app? What are they using? That.

[Rosenberg]

That they did 23 Skidoo app.

[Caller Dave]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

So that's.

[Peter]

It was an abacus, but.

[Don Hahn]

But that's. Honestly that. That's the problem. It is something, though, that if you are a sports league, like the NBA right now, they're the ones in the forefront. But if you don't think Roger Goodell's having a meeting today about this stuff, you're crazy. Right. You don't think that Rob Manfred's having a meeting about this? You don't think Gary Bettman's having. They're all having meetings now because they're saying, let's make sure we don't have people doing this in our league so that we're part of this in the next invest.

[Rosenberg]

Why do you think the NFL has a rule that you can't place a bet on any app on any sport within the facility?

[Don Hahn]

In the facility. Right.

[Rosenberg]

It sounds ridiculous. Like, you telling me, walks out to the parking lot, he can bet an NBA game, but if he goes back into the facility, you can't.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

You know what? Make the rules so over the top that you don't come close to impropriety. That's what they're thinking right now. They can't tell a player that in the privacy of his own home if he wants to bet an NBA game on the app. But you know what? Can't do it in a facility. Sends the message, I better be careful here because they're watching me. And that's what all these commissioners have to let their players know is, hey, it seems harmless. Shave a few points, bet a few games. Who's gonna know? We're gonna know. And the hammer's gonna come down and you're gonna be out of a job. What I'd like to know is, do they. Can they void contracts? Like what. What is legal and what's not legal when it comes to that? Maybe they got to put things in contracts if it's not already there. If you get caught gambling, your contract is voided.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. No, no. I mean, you think about it. Arrest and conviction voids your contract. No matter what it is, whatever crime it is. Arrest and conviction voids your contract. That's it.

[Rosenberg]

Some of these guys may do something that they don't get arrested. Remember the NFL put in place that you'd be suspended any allegations of domestic violence. Even if you weren't found guilty, we're still gonna suspend you. It's got to be over the top. The same with gambling, even if it never goes to trial. Sorry. If you're implicated in any gambling scandal, you're automatically suspended. And maybe it's got to be very punitive because it seems like these players, Alan, can't stop themselves. Just like Steve Howe couldn't stop himself from taking coke even though he knew it was going to cost him his career because he had a problem.

[Don Hahn]

Well, remember we named one current player. The other guy you've never heard of was a borderline G league player who was a two way guy and a former player, Damon Jones. This is. We're not talking about rampant.

[Rosenberg]

I know.

[Don Hahn]

You know, tons of NBA players are doing.

[Rosenberg]

It's a sport that's already, you know, fired an official. Right. So there's been allegations before, many years ago. But it has to be taken seriously because people right now are sitting there going, yeah, I'm sure those are the only ones. And the next time we see a wacky play that makes no. A turnover that makes no sense, or a game that's on the line that doesn't go your way when the guy calls and says, I think something's up, we can't dismiss them like we did before.

[Don Hahn]

You shot that, like you were on the take.

[Peter]

I People post things though guys that if you pay attention are so insane. And I guess things like this make.

[Don Hahn]

Me think maybe not videos of. But I saw one this so outrageous.

[Peter]

And you know, the algorithm is obviously run by the devil. They show us the most random dumb things in history. But one that was getting shown to me because commander stuff just gets fed to me is some guy has a couple thousand retweets showing a bunch of passes from last week where Jaden Daniels drops back and McCaffrey appears to be open in the flat and he looks past him and throws an incompletion. And he's like, see, it's rigged. I'm like, can you explain to me the rigging in not hitting Luke McCaffrey for a checkdown? Well, please, I know not everything.

[Don Hahn]

So they think I took the under on McCaffrey, right?

[Peter]

McCaffrey catches. That's what Jaden Daniels is throwing his career away because. So the thing is, when these stories happen though, Don, it now justifies every moment they have making things up.

[Rosenberg]

Because the second that the.

[Don Hahn]

That's the other that guy.

[Rosenberg]

The second guys loses confidence in what they see, the sports debt. And we saw it in 1919 and it took Babe Ruth hit 60 home runs in a season to save that sport. 100 years ago, same thing. If people all of a sudden lose faith in what they're watching, they're not going to watch it.

[Don Hahn]

Remember again, college basketball was almost ruined in the third 100 years ago with the same thing. They didn't trust players anymore. I thought players were on the take. And it also like that took a long time before it want a hot.

[Peter]

Take before we go to break quickly. Potentially a very good week for Major League Baseball. Potentially a very good week. I could see this being a thrilling World Series with the bet maybe the best player who's ever lived with gigantic Spotlight every game, 8 o' clock broadcast.

[Don Hahn]

You mean. You mean the best player that ever lived who also was involved in a.

[Peter]

Game and it wasn't him, it was the translator.

[Don Hahn]

That's. That's what they're saying.

[Peter]

Came back up again recently.

[Don Hahn]

They're saying, no, this to me, if you're baseball, this is the worst time for this to come out because Ohtani's not gonna be on the grand stage.

[Peter]

Everybody's gonna go, hey, by the way, whatever happened. Oh, by the way, nice.

[Don Hahn]

Didn't he wait wasn't this guy involved?

[Peter]

I got news for you. He ain't Terry Rozier. My friend Nohei Ohtani, it could have been him at the Table himself. They would have burned the casino to the ground.

[Don Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

I think this is because of all the poker talk we've had. Asia Spades. Good song.

[Don Hahn]

A great first line for what we've been talking about. 800 now, 193776. A lot of you want to talk to us about a lot of different things. So why don't we just go around the board? Shall we do it? Griffin in Connecticut. You've been holding a while. Griff, how you doing?

[Caller Griff]

Good. How are you guys?

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Rosenberg]

Good.

[Caller Griff]

You know, Don has more wins as a broadcaster than the net than the jets have. Yes, because Don can't lose. Don can't lose. He's undefeated. Beat it right now. It's, it's. He just. He's calling wins after wins after wins. This is why he needs some Nuka honey. Because he's losing his voice from. Keep putting. Put a pitchfork in. He keeps saying it every single time.

[Peter]

Nuka honey.

[Don Hahn]

They need to make a great point.

[Peter]

About the Nuka honey. Now, real quick. I mean, Griff, not only does Don have more wins, the Knicks have more wins than the Jets. Their season started yesterday.

[Don Hahn]

That's just, That's.

[Caller Griff]

Yeah, I know, I know.

[Peter]

You have the same amount of wins as the jets this year.

[Rosenberg]

Now the conversation will be who will win first, the jets or the Nets?

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that's ugly. Who's the next.

[Caller Griff]

Oh, my God.

[Don Hahn]

That's a drop.

[Caller Griff]

That game yesterday was ugly.

[Don Hahn]

Was it?

[Caller Griff]

And the Hornets are. Hornets are not a team that's going to go out there and dominate this year. And the Nets didn't even, didn't even look like they deserve to be on the same court as the Hornets. Yeah, but that's not the, that's not my point. My point is this, this gambling thing is crazy. And the more crazier thing is Chauncey Billups, a head coach of an NBA team involved in this. This is not a good look for the NBA. It's really crazy to think ahead, Coach getting involved in this stuff, but it's just, it's really not a good look for the NBA and for sports in general and a Blazers team that might have had high hopes. I don't know where they go now. Players. Where do players go?

[Don Hahn]

Like they have.

[Caller Griff]

They find out that their coaches are involved in a gambling.

[Don Hahn]

Well, the interim coach is Thiago Splitter, so. Yeah, I see. The reaction from the realm tells me that no one knows who that is.

[Rosenberg]

I've heard the name before. I can't.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

Give me some background. I'm sorry.

[Don Hahn]

Well, he. No, he was. He's a. He was a center, a big man. They played with the spurs for a little While I've heard that European guy, European player.

[Rosenberg]

But I, I will say he probably did this before he was coaching. And this is not the same as the Rozier allegations. I'm not saying it's a good look. It's a terrible look.

[Don Hahn]

No, this is part of the poker game.

[Rosenberg]

But I think we need to separate. It comes across, if you kind of half ass, the story that Chauncey Billups was shaving points as head coach of the Portland Trailblazers. That's not the case. He was involved in a poker scam of money in which he got a piece of the pie. And the allegation is he was in on it. It is possible he could have been duped too. We'll find out. But that's a far cry than what some of the former players and current players were doing. Alan. Which is a major problem.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, there is. So there is some possibility that he was. So in some of the reports, he was not named in the sports betting indictment.

[Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

But somebody did did say a number of Blazer players would miss a certain game in 2023. And Phillips was the coach then.

[Peter]

So, so, so it could end up tying together.

[Don Hahn]

There's. There is something in there. They just can't. They can't connect. I don't want to do that either.

[Rosenberg]

Correct me if I'm wrong. In the press conference they mentioned, I think was three or four people that are involved in all of it. And I don't think any of those three or four were involved associated with the NBA, but there were people that were involved in both the poker and also the NBA stuff.

[Don Hahn]

That would be. Again, I think that's probably the mob connection. Exactly. That's probably. I think there. That's their side of the business, if you know what I mean. Dave in Queens. What's up, Dave?

[Peter]

Dave.

[Caller Dave]

Hey, good afternoon, guys. Thank you guys for taking my call. I understand your take, by the way, but I think, like, it feels like to me, because you guys work in so many capacities that are tied to this that it's. It feels kind of sort of like you're taking it and saying it a little bit lightly than it is, in my opinion, compared to the more common folks that walk the streets, watch the games and all that stuff and have no invested in. You work for an organization that promotes it. You work for sports teams that promote it, even promote the wwe.

[Rosenberg]

But there's a difference between legal gambling and illegal gambling. This was illegal.

[Caller Dave]

I think the issue though is. Well, this was illegal gambling, but not necessarily the rosier part Right. The rosier part was conducted possibly through legal gambling.

[Peter]

Right.

[Caller Dave]

But I think the issue here, it's very. It's very synonymous in my opinion, to like church and state and trying to separate two things that are like foundational pieces of, like this country. Now sports was sports and now you allowed gambling. So now it's another foundational piece of sports. And you want the commissioners and commentators to be like, you know, the players are playing and legalized gambling.

[Don Hahn]

Can I just a couple of. I just want to cut you off, Dave, because what I'm doing, though. Because what you're doing is actually. It's not accurate. Gambling didn't suddenly join sports five years ago.

[Caller Dave]

No, I'm talking about in a legal capacity.

[Don Hahn]

But it doesn't matter.

[Caller Dave]

I'm specifically.

[Don Hahn]

But. Right, but that doesn't matter. That's just because they legalize it, put rules to it, and there was investments going on. All that stuff. That doesn't change. That it doesn't. This type of stuff is not new. This has been going on. This has been going on for years. Tipping off, but it was. But you couldn't place a bed legally. That's the difference.

[Caller Dave]

Is not that it's new. The issue to me is that because it's legal, people now feel more casual and more comfortable participating.

[Peter]

That's fair.

[Caller Dave]

Players and players themselves now see things that they wouldn't have done because it was seedy. It was hard to find who to. Who to connect with. Now it's just like, oh, it's very. If I don't. If I don't have X amount of reception, instead of five, I have four.

[Rosenberg]

I know how to stand the rules that are told to you. As soon as you enter a camp, you're not allowed to do it. So even though it's legal, it's legal for me to bet on sports. I'm telling you, I can't all of a sudden go and start betting on devil games and grabbing information from what I hear in the locker room and be able to keep my job. And if I end up losing my job, I can't plead ignorance and go, well, it's legal. And I felt it was casual. No, I understand the rules. It's about following rules and not following rules.

[Peter]

Dave, let me ask you this part of it, though. You started off by saying you think that the average person hearing the story today may be taking it more seriously than we are, as you put it, or something that effect. How are you sensing that the average person would take this? That differs from what we're saying right.

[Caller Dave]

Now because their interaction, their casual interaction with sports comes and goes. Right. Let's use me for an example. I wasn't a big sports. I use the apps right. Occasionally and only for football because all the other stuff is just too high metrics for. So I wasn't involved with in sports betting at all prior to. Until it was legalized. And now you can access it through the app. So now I've become a passive casual investor, whereas you guys are on it. It's part of like your weekend promotion. And none of that stuff is fun to me listening to you guys. Right. But there's other ways you SportsCenter Incorporated. Now you're on the commercials. Like it's just, it's just two different.

[Don Hahn]

I see what you're saying. It's become part of our conversation.

[Caller Dave]

It's become part of your language, part of the conversation.

[Rosenberg]

Part of the.

[Don Hahn]

It's not as, it's not as like, you know, jarring to hear about Betty. We got to go. Because it's tough. Yeah. The only reason why we had to get rid of the call. But it. All right. That part I understand. But it is still. That's obviously a major story. And it's not just NBA. NBA is involved in it, but the other leagues right now must be having meetings saying, we got to make sure this doesn't happen. Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.