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Rosenberg
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Anthony
Sounds like heaven to me.
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Rosenberg
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Anthony
Time now for the weekend weather, which is brought to you by Chauffeur Hopper. A beautiful Labor Day weekend ahead. Tomorrow, Sunday with a high of 78. Sunday will be Sunday with a high of 79. And Labor Day partly collided with a high of also 79. That was the weekend weather. And that's brought to you by Schoefferhofer, Schoefferhoffer Grapefruit. Here comes the happy and somebody that always made me happy when he came on during the K show on Fridays. We have him on here today on a Friday. Joe Fortenbaugh joins us here on Don Hunter Rosenberg. How are you, buddy? Miss ya.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
Yeah, boys. Yeah, good to be back. Football season starting. I appreciate the fact that you recognize you needed to bring in the big guns for the interview. And the big guns said yes, here I am happy to chat football with you.
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Anthony
You know, it's, it's such a big weekend. You get right, you get right out of the gate with some really big games. I mean, I'm kind of curious though, the line shift at OSU Texas, what's behind that?
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Joe Fortenbaugh
So this game opened as high as Ohio State -3, three very key number when it comes to football betting. And then we started to see the slow trickle of Texas money knock this thing down two and a half. Two it got down to about one and a half. And then in Vegas yesterday afternoon, there's a respected sports book that took a $550,000 bet on Texas that made that book go from Ohio State minus one to Texas minus one. They flip favorites for as far as I know, that's the first book to do something like that. Now what happens is they move because of the money. They wanted to attract some Ohio State money to balance out the action, which is exactly what ended up happening. They Moved the game back to pick them because they took some Buckeye money. But other sportsbooks see this and oftentimes will copy the move even though they didn't take the big bet. They'll copy the move because it's a respected sportsbook. So that's why you see the market wide reaction to the move. So it's been mostly Texas money. We've seen Sarkeesian go on the road in big spots in the regular season and win. Two years ago he did it against Alabama. The concern with Ohio State is threefold. Number one, the quarterback, Julian saying, we've never seen him, or at least we've never seen him in a big spot. This is a big spot. Number two, the offensive coordinator, Brian Hartline has done this before, but he didn't do it last year. That was Chip Kelly, so he's stepping into a big spot. And then number three on defense, Jim Knowles, the defensive coordinator, might be the best DC in the game when it comes to college football. He's now at Penn State. Matt Patricia stepping in. So while there's question marks with Arch Manning, there are a lot of question marks with the Buckeyes. I think you play the first half under, it's right around 23 and a half. We've seen under money too. I think it's going to be a lower scoring game, especially early as two teams try to feel each other out with no one wanting to make a big mistake early with their young quarterback.
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Don Hahn
These early, like these types of matchups early in the season always feel like the most confusing because we only know what we know with these teams. When it comes to preseason previews, we don't know yet what they are. So like, by the end of the year, you could look back at this game, it could tell you a lot or could tell you nothing. But I do know that there's a lot of Arch Manning. The Arch Manning hype machine has been in overdrive. And I know that part of what we're watching is the Heisman watch as well. For him, he's the favorite going into the season to win the Heisman, correct?
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Joe Fortenbaugh
He is, yes. It's close. Club Dick's right behind him. Nuss Meyers right behind him. But Arch is your favorite right around 6 to 1.
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Don Hahn
So when we're looking at this game in Archmaddy, how much is like, like, how much do you factor into Texas and Arch Manning, like, as far as interest in sports bettors, Is that something that carries throughout the season or is this just going into the season? He's the favorite. But none of this is really going to matter till towards the end when it comes to any, any interest in sports betting.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
We'll put it like this. If his name was pretty much anything other than Manning, he's not your Heisman Trophy favorite. And Texas isn't getting the respect they're getting with their win total or with their point spread, plain and simple. You put a very highly regarded prospect in there who's been waiting his time and there will be some respect, but not to this extent. This is very rare though. We don't see someone of this pedigree come along very often and the market reacts to that sort of thing. They bake that into the line. It's kind of like what we saw and I'm sure we might get into this. Micah Parsons gets traded. So we see all these big adjustments to all these prices. Okay, look, Parsons is fantastic. I'm not about to say anything negative about his performance on the field, but he's not worth as much as the movements that are taking place indicate, like 20 to 1 to 14 to 1 to win the Super Bowl. It's not a quarterback, it's a defensive player. We saw a one point move on the Thursday point spread through the key number of seven. Like he might not have even played against Philadelphia anyway. So I think there are some overreactions there and that's baked into this. So naturally I think you're going to have some guys looking at Ohio State seeing value now, especially with them as a small dog at home.
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Anthony
The other thing, you get that subway alum with Notre Dame and I get a lot of Notre Dame fans saying that they love, they love this number against Miami even on the road. Do you like Notre Dame on Sunday?
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Joe Fortenbaugh
This is another first half under bet for me. The one concern I have with Notre Dame and all respect in the world to them, but they got a young quarterback in car making his debut on the road at Miami. That's a big spot and that's a variable you have to be worried about. We're not talking about NFL quarterbacks who are coming off the bench in their second year. To start they sat behind a guy and they're going to make their debut on the road in Jacksonville. We're talking about going to these hostile, high pressure environments for the kids that the last time we saw them play a big game was in high school in front of like a fifth of the fan base that they're going to be in front of and it's going to be hostile there. Here's what I Like about this game for Notre Dame, elite running back, elite offensive line. Okay, so you come into this game, you ease your quarterback into it, you run the football, and then on the other side, you've got one of the best defenses in the country that should early on, hopefully be able to limit what Miami wants to do on offense, not stop. They got Carson Beckett, quarterback. Now, he transferred over from Georgia, but that's a team that lost Cam Ward, the number one overall pick, and Damian Martinez, who's a really good running back to the NFL. You don't just replace that production overnight. So Miami's good. And if I was looking to bet it, I'd lean to Notre Dame. But I think the first half under and the game under are better bets. In that matchup. I think it's all about Notre Dame's defense and conservative play on offense.
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Don Hahn
Yeah, that came as a Sunday night 7:30 on ABC. So before we get to the NFL, you had a Sunday night college game that is definitely one to watch. I got to have fun with you, Joe. Before I ask him for some of your better, better bets and better picks tomorrow, I need to know why. I would. I would want to care beyond the obvious about TCU at unc, other than the fact that my wife is a Tar Heel and a UNC grad, but because obviously Bill Belichick's there at home. Bill Belichick on a Sunday night against tcu and he's a. He's a home dog. Is that is. Does that interest you even in the little, little, little bit because of who he is? Is there a lot of interest in this game because of him? What do you got?
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Joe Fortenbaugh
All right, well, let's start with this. It's Monday night and it's the only game.
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Don Hahn
Oh, Monday.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
So as a degenerate, I'm absolutely going to be interested in this game. You. You could throw me. You could throw me Sam Houston State against an incarnate word on Monday night. And I'd be very excited about that matchup. So, yeah, as a standalone. That's one reason. Now, the Belichick angle, fascinating. And I'm glad you asked about it. Not long after asking about Arch, because it's a similar situation. Like, how do we evaluate unc knowing full well, if you're a bookmaker setting this price, you're probably anticipating Belichick money on unc. Right. Like any other coach in that spot, you'd evaluate UNC and think to yourself, all right, they've had some really good quarterback play the last few years and they still didn't do much with it. Now Mack Brown's gone, the quarterback plays questionable. How is this team going to be any better? But here comes Bill Belichick and he's going to ride a hype wave. On top of that, this is a TCU team that two years ago was in the national championship and then last year fell flat on their face. So I think a lot of people might have a sour taste in their mouth and might be looking to play UNC because of the Belichick factor. That would make me inclined to go with tcu. Full disclosure, I haven't done anything with this game yet, but I'd be looking to the TCU side there.
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Anthony
What else you're looking at this weekend?
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Joe Fortenbaugh
I'll give you one that no one's going to want to watch. It's Iowa State and South Dakota. I like South Dakota plus the 16 and a half. This is what we call a situational play. Iowa State last week is in Ireland. They're beating Kansas State in a big game. All right now next week they've got Iowa hated in state rival huge matchup wedged in between. Little old sandwich spot is a double digit favorite matchup against South Dakota, who's a pretty good school and they were pretty solid last year. I thought they. I think they lost to Montana State in the playoff. You're giving me 16 and a half. I'll go ahead and play them there. I like Clemson, but the numbers starting to get away from me. Very most experienced team in the country. Kate Club Nick 37 games under his belt. Dabo finally hits the transfer portal. I'm not a huge fan of Brian Kelly's defense, but I do like Garrett Nussmeier. So I'm going to go ahead and play them. If you want some action tonight, I bet against beyond. Give me Georgia Tech plus the four and a half. Colorado loses Travis Hunter and Shador Sanders. Offensively, I think they want to run the ball more this year. Georgia Tech's got a pretty good defense. I think they can keep it within the number there. Another one that's starting to get away from us. So you want to go smaller Utah over ucla. Utah's one of four or five programs in the country that got an offensive coordinator, quarterback combo transfer. We see this at Oklahoma. Ben Arbuckle, the offensive coordinator at Washington State and John Mateer the quarterback at Washington State transferred over. Together they hire Arbuckle and they bring in mater. Four or five teams have done this. This is becoming a new thing for for teams that need to upgrade Their offenses, they're getting the quarterback and the oc. Well, Utah's guys are coming over from New Mexico, damp. Here is the quarterback. And I'm not a big fan of Nico Iamaliava, so I like Utah there. I think I pretty much hit you with everything else I've got. I'll give you a Prop 2 in that Ohio State game. Jeremiah Smith, the Ohio State star wide receiver last year against Texas in the playoff. One catch, three yards. It was his worst game of the season. Texas had bracket coverage on him. They were not going to let him hit a home run. Longest Reception Prop is 29 and a half yards for this game. I bet the under on that. I think they're going to do the same thing with Smith. They're going to bracket them. Ohio State's going to force them the ball, but I don't think they're going to get any big shots down the field. So I play under 29 and a half yards for the longest reception.
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Don Hahn
I love it. The only thing is, is if they're ready for it this time around, is there going to be a difference there? That's definitely something to watch. I love it. All right, listen to me. I'm a Long Island University guy, okay? I graduated from there back a million years ago. The football program has tried to work its way up and to be a respectable program, they'd have to play these big time schools. It's good money. Last year they lost 45 nothing at TCU. A couple of years after, before that, went to West Virginia and got their butts kicked. 66 nothing. They're at Florida on Saturday. They're mocking them in Florida. They're just showing the team photo saying we're playing a high school team because their team photo versus the LIU team photo. It really does look like a high school team because it's such a smaller group of players. The spread is 45 and a half, last I saw. Is there any chance you could make a dollar off liu?
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Joe Fortenbaugh
All right, so I'm at full disclosure because I've never lied to the audience and I'm not about to start now. Haven't done a deep dive on this game. Want to be completely transparent about that? Haven't done a deep dive. One thing I would look at in the handicap would be who does Florida have next week? If Florida has a big matchup next week, I might be inclined to play the dog. Only because you don't want to let the cat out of the bag with some of your tricks. Get in, get some work Done. Get out. So that might make me look to the dog, but on the other side, Billy Napier was on the hot seat last year with the Gators as the head coach. They closed very strong. They were very feisty late in the year. Lagway, the quarterback, is live for the Heisman. He's somewhere around 45 or 50 to 1. Now, they got to win a lot of games for him to get there, but that's not a kid you want to sleep on. So if you wanted to play Florida, you might want to bet him in the first half because then they end up yanking the starters. But it's hard for me to get behind the dog here, Han. I'm very Sorry about that.
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Don Hahn
45 and a half. They play South Florida next week in the LSU two weeks from now. That doesn't. Yeah.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
So you know what the thing would be? Blow out the opponent this weekend, then next week, handle your business. But you probably get caught looking ahead to lsu. So we might want to think about South Florida next week. Who looked very good last night. Who's going to have extra rest for that game? See, Boom. We're ALREADY HANDICAPPING WEEK 2. This radio show is way ahead of everybody else.
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Anthony
There you go. You're the best.
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Don Hahn
Joe, before.
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Anthony
Before we let you go, the time to bet Cal Raleigh probably passed, Right? Because now it's actually minus money for him to win the American League mvp. How do you think it's going to shake out between him and Judge?
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Joe Fortenbaugh
I'd be more likely to go with Judge with a month to go. I mean, this is the best price we're going to get Judge at. And as you dive into some of the numbers, ops, batting average. I know he's been struggling coming back from the injury, but you dive into some of those numbers, he's going to beat Raleigh in a lot of categories. The two things that are hurting him right now, the Yanks haven't been playing very well. If you want to win an mvp, you want your team to be playing really well on top of it. And the other thing is, Raleigh as a catcher is going to generate a ton of interest because he plays a very hard defensive position. Like, you're not supposed to hit like this when you're a catcher. I know everyone in New York is going to think about a certain met who could hit very well 25 years ago from the catcher position. But that's 25 years ago. Very, very rare. So I think that the price on Judge isn't bad, but you're going to have to overcome a narrative of voters who are going to want to give it to A very good feel. Good story, Joe.
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Anthony
Great stuff, man. Enjoy the weekend. We'll talk to you soon.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
This is as pleasurable as an interview gets. Every time Rosenberg is out, you guys feel free to reach out. I'm involved. If he's in, lose my number.
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Anthony
Okay, well, I hope we get a chance to call you as often as possible during the course of the football season, man. Thanks, buddy.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
See you, boys.
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Anthony
All right. Good stuff on. On a lot of different fronts. So what are you going to do? You're going to. You're going to bet liu?
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Don Hahn
I might.
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Anthony
I might. You going to plant your flag here?
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Don Hahn
Why not? It's 45 and a half. I mean, nobody beats us by 45.
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Alan Hahn
What are you driving to. To do that?
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Don Hahn
Listen, if you lose, well, I'll have Donald do it for me in New Jersey. If, if you lose by 45, we win.
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Anthony
The hook. We win.
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Don Hahn
That's all I'm looking for. Just keep it under four. Keep it 25 and under. You know, let me throw these other two locals in, by the way, Don, okay, Because this is what you. This time of year, you're going to get that. You're going to get like a lot of the, you know, the, the one double A schools essentially that are trying to, you know, get some money. And you do that by going to the big time schools and playing in their building for their. It's their way of starting season off, like a scrimmage. And so Wagner is at Kansas. That's also a 45 and a half spread for Wagner. Little, you know, Staten island wagon, Anthony Pusick's and Michael K's and just about everybody else in his businesses. Fordham is going up to Boston College and they're playing up in BC 36 and a half. Can the Rams keep it to 36 or closer? Anthony, if I put down a couple of bucks on my school, are you willing to put down a couple bucks on your school?
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Alan Hahn
Oh, absolutely. I trust Coach Conlon. I think that he's going to turn this program around. It's not. When I was in school and we had the book of Moorhead, Joe Moorhead being ranked, upsetting Temple, upsetting Army. It's not at that level. I hope we can get back there and be ranked in the fcs, but maybe we could. Maybe, as Joe Fortinbaust said, I'll have to see who BC is playing next week. Maybe we could shock them. Maybe we could surprise them. Think that they're not ready for us and, and at the very least, we cover this week.
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Don Hahn
I love this. I think one of them can one of them cover. I think one of them out of.
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Anthony
These three, I don't know which one, but I think one of them will.
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Don Hahn
What do you think though of the Belichick factor here? You know, like the, well, what he said about that is interesting because it's just like Arch Manning, there's interest in the story. So are people going to say Bill, watch, Bill shock the world. Watch Bill's going to have this team ready or whatever it is because he's just, you know, he's a wizard and a strategist. But we've also known the Patriots historically under Belichick were slow starters in the regular season. So it's something to watch.
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Anthony
And this is something completely new to him. So I would probably stay away, kind of see where it is. But like he said, you know, the money moves with the stories. Yeah, he also, the Parsons stuff was pretty interesting too. Right. Because that's just the passion.
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Don Hahn
Yeah. I think on that that what he said there is true. I think sometimes you do want to draw the interest because the public gets excited about a story and they jump all over so you give them a number that's tasty enough to, to jump in on. But I mean, if you were talking about a quarterback, it is a difference maker, doesn't it? I know Ed Russia, I know obviously getting after the quarterback is big, especially in that division, but do you really think Micah Parsons is going to have that big of an impact? The packers were already considered a top six team in the NFL and certainly would be a top three, what do we say? Top three team in the nfc. So I mean, how much higher could they possibly go to get with.
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Anthony
That's true. But they also had problems rushing the passer and now you get one of the most prolific ones on your team. So they got two very good ones. Yeah, I guess. Yes, it's, it's, it is an interesting conversation. 1-800-919-3776 Spike and St. Pete, you're on ESPN New York. What's up Spike?
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Caller Spike
Hey boys, good to talk to you. The last good athlete at LIU. I hate to date myself, but I'm 79. Was a basketball player named Larry Newbold and that's before they merged with Post, I guess. And my one living best friend guarded him. He was a great defensive player at CCNY before Larry Hardesty played there. And he, we went to the first half and he was all out and he held new bolt to Three. And he came back and he looked like he worked in a coal mine for the second half. The new bowl for 30 up on him. So, you know, you can never tell with these early season games. But I want to thank both of you guys. First of all, Allen, Media Day's the 30th. You know, I am and I'm blessed to have some really good friends. Larry Hart and I spent Yesterday talking for 25 minutes about size and getting Yabicelli and you know, Larry, like size. And I said, but the Knicks didn't deal with their main problem, which is incredible that they finished so high being last in the league and in three point percentage defensively and also 29th in that for Coca. The thing with the. With the distance and all that. And I said it's a new day and we'll see what it is. And then we went over who's going to come off the Ben so. So who beds like us, you know. And I remember back in the late 70s, one of my buddies, I picked him up, he's coming back from Nam and I give him a New York Post at the time or news or something. He goes, George McGinnis and Julius Irving on the same team, they got one ball. I said it was a money deal because Roy Bo ran out of money. And Don, I want to really tell you I can't wait. I can't wait. This is coming from my heart. Until I listen to you do the first game for the Devils, I really. And next year I'm coming come hella high water, I'm coming to the Sasso game.
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Anthony
So you know how we feel about you and I'd love and be well and hopefully everything is going well with you and can't wait to see you. And that first game is not going to be opening night because that was taken by ESPN plus.
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Don Hahn
You feel away about that.
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Anthony
I could, I could tell it shortens the road trip for me, but you.
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Don Hahn
Can'T be there for like being. Calling opening night but opening.
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Anthony
Listen, if they had taken a home game away, if that. If opening that was a home game that was. That would be bad. But so I start in Tampa instead of Carolina. So it'll end up being that October 11th, Saturday in Tampa would be the first game. But listen, we were having a lot of conversations about who's suffering the most. We're going to get back to a lot of that. We've got the Mets, they've got a big game tonight. Trying to bounce back after what happened last night. Tong on the mound. Yankees continuing to just thump these bad teams. Volpe made a big error that allowed some runs, but he did get a couple of hits. So we'll get to the baseball side of things. But you know what, it's Friday and you know we do at 4:30 every Friday. It's fraud alert Friday. And Allen said he's got one, I got one. So yeah, we've got that to look forward to. That's coming up next year on Don Juan and Rosenberg. We'll take you up until 6:30 and then it's Mets baseball right here on ESPN New York.
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Rosenberg
Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.
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Rosenberg
Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Did you or someone you know participate in fraudulent fan behavior?
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Anthony
I'm a fraud with a capital F.
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Rosenberg
Is your friend a fraud?
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Ad Voice 1
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Rosenberg
Are you a fraud?
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Anthony
What is fraud?
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Rosenberg
Let's ask Don McGregor.
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Anthony
Screw. Go scratch yourself. It's become one of the most popular segments of the week. So popular that I was on vacation and I still came back to do it last Friday. How about that?
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Don Hahn
It's a big deal called in.
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Anthony
It's Fraud Alert Friday and it's driven by Ramsey, Mazda, Anthony Pusick. Who do we have today?
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Alan Hahn
Oh, we've got Fast and Furious emails coming into DHR espn. This is Jim from Tennessee. He's trying to prevent a fraudulent act. This could be happening as we are talking right now. So this, this, this could be. This could be big. My neighbor's son is currently a senior at Georgia Tech and plans to take online grad school courses at the University of Texas, but has no plans to visit the school or attend a game. If he starts to wear University of Texas gear, is he a fraud? Horns up or horns down? Listening from the Florida Panhandle.
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Anthony
And he's a fan of who?
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Alan Hahn
His neighbor's son is a senior at Georgia Tech.
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Anthony
Right. So.
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Alan Hahn
And now he's gonna take online grad school courses at University of Texas and never plans to visit the school or attend a game.
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Don Hahn
But I need more key there.
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Anthony
I need more information.
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Alan Hahn
We need more information. What would you like to know?
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Don Hahn
He's not going to the school, Don. He's going taking online classes.
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Anthony
But is he a fan of Georgia Tech? Is he following Georgia Tech football? Does he have a jersey? Does he go to the games? Is he rooting for the team, or does he not care?
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Alan Hahn
It sounds like Jim is already ruling that this could be fraudulent. If his son. If his neighbor's son.
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Don Hahn
I think what he's trying to say is he physically went to Georgia Tech. Correct?
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Anthony
Right.
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Don Hahn
He's not physically going to Texas. He's taking online classes. What he's saying is because Texas is number one team in the country right now, if you suddenly become a Texas fan and claim yourself as, oh, I'm a student. Well, you're online. Click. Okay.
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Anthony
All right.
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Don Hahn
I think he's trying to make that.
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Anthony
Argument with the information we have at our disposal. He's a fraud.
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Don Hahn
Okay.
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Anthony
But I would like to have a little bit more information, because if you. He. If he just never bothered with Georgia Tech, I think it could be. He could be open. There's enough there like, listen, I have the whole thing where I don't understand why you would root for a college that you didn't go to. But he's going.
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Alan Hahn
He's not rivals in any way.
- [28:10]
Don Hahn
No.
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Anthony
Yeah, they're not rivals. He's going adjacently. I mean, so he is involved. But if he was a Georgia Tech guy, then he's be a fraud. Because now he's given up on one team, started rooting for another. But if he didn't have an allegiance. But I think I'm gonna go with Allen that he's a fraud. Because if he's so hot to root for Texas doing online courses, I'm sure he must have been involved with Texas Tech while he was going there.
- [28:35]
Alan Hahn
Georgia Tech, but yes, Georgia Tech.
- [28:36]
Anthony
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
Well, Texas Tech. I don't even know if we would had a conversation.
- [28:41]
Anthony
Now you're talking about something different. So yeah, with the information provided, which was sparse, I'm going to say fraud.
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Alan Hahn
This is an interesting one from Eric from Virginia and I think this impacts a lot of people coming up because this is a big weekend for fantasy football. Dear Don Allen and Peter and Anthony and Jacob, first, please let me say how much I enjoy your show. I'm a proud Long Islander, grew up in Massapequa, but my wife is from Virginia and convinced me to move down to Richmond during the pandemic. I listen to you guys regularly using ESPN New York app. Love that so I can feel connected to the New York sports scene. That is not in the email. I did not read that that was done. That was implied, much to my wife's dismay and embarrassment. I also go out of my way to let people down here know I'm a New Yorker and a die hard jets and Mets fan. I'm preparing for fantasy football drafts and as a dedicated jets fan, I have followed a rule for myself whereby I refuse to draft any players on another AFC east team and if I otherwise happen to have a player whose team's playing the Jets, I'll not start the player that week. This strategy has not hurt my teams in the past, but my friends think I'm taking my fandom too seriously and being too limited with who I will draft. However, I find it uncomfortable to ever have a rooting interest for a division rival or game day opponent. I never want to cheer for Josh Allen, James Cook, Tyreek Hill or any player on the Patriots, for example, even if they are not playing the Jets. But I realize the no AFC east players policies have been excessive. With that in mind, my fraud question is, does this make me less of a fan to start a player in a week in which that player's team is facing the jets, putting myself in a position to possibly benefit at the expense of a Jets win. Does playing fantasy football make me a fraud?
- [30:16]
Anthony
It's one of the reasons why I don't play, but let's face it, a lot of people do play. I'm not going to sit there and say you're a fraud if you play fantasy football. That'd be dickers. There'll be a lot of frauds in the world. I think it's a business transaction, so I think you got to shut that down. Your money's on the table. You got to do what you got to do. So I don't think that makes you a fraud. If you start a division rival, you've Made a business decision to give yourself the best chance to win. Why would you put money down on the table and not give 100% behind it? I say no fraud.
- [30:49]
Alan Hahn
I used to draft Jason Whitten as my backup tight end and only play him against the Giants because he killed the Giants.
- [30:55]
Anthony
Now some people can't do it. And so I get it. Like, if you can't do it, I'm not throwing good money away because I'm not going to play. Right. So I'm not going to play fantasy football, but I'm not going to sit there and saying plan is better. Playing fantasy football is fraudulent. I think it's stupid to play it and not give yourself the best chance to win. So I think you got to kind of shut it down because it's a business transaction. So what are you gonna. You're gonna get in the football pool and always pick the jets or Giants because that's your favorite team? Or if you're gonna play the 10 bucks or 50 bucks or whatever, you do it the right way. So, no. No fraud Allen. You have a problem with that?
- [31:27]
Don Hahn
No, no, no. I'm in complete agreement. Because again, when it involves you, you're playing for you. Yeah. And so you make that choice. Now, I like the fact, though, that he tried to avoid ever having to have players that are rival of his favorite team.
- [31:40]
Anthony
The fact that's on his mind is a good thing.
- [31:42]
Don Hahn
Yeah, yeah. It means your heart's in the right place.
- [31:44]
Anthony
Yes.
- [31:45]
Alan Hahn
But if you have the opportunity to draft Josh Allen as your quarterback and the only other, like, remaining available quarterbacks are like, Daniel Jones, which this wouldn't happen. If you don't take Josh Allen out of principle, you're probably not winning a lot of your fantasy league.
- [31:57]
Don Hahn
Yeah. I'm just saying I'm not very good at it.
- [31:59]
Anthony
Yeah.
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Alan Hahn
He says it hasn't affected him in the past. I guess we'll never know. But either way, definitely not fraudulent. The way he's handling it and doing it the other way also doesn't make you a fraud either. All right, this is from Nick. I'm 28 years old and I was born into a Yankees, Knicks, jets household.
- [32:13]
Don Hahn
Wow, that's a weird combination.
- [32:15]
Alan Hahn
Very weird combination. For most of my life, the Yankees were my only true winning team. Still relatively true.
- [32:20]
Don Hahn
Yeah.
- [32:20]
Alan Hahn
Since basketball is my favorite sport and football my least favorite, that's rare. I stuck with the knicks, and around 2014, I gave up and stopped rooting for the Jets. That's a good time to probably start.
- [32:28]
Don Hahn
Giving it up.
- [32:31]
Alan Hahn
For 10 plus years. And this is bold. This is bold and underlined. I had no football allegiance and didn't watch except for the super bowl, so I'm guessing from 2014 to 2024. No allegiance. I moved to Philly in 2020 for law school, and when I told my classmates that I didn't have a football team.
- [32:54]
Anthony
Oh, wait, I know where it's going.
- [32:56]
Joe Fortenbaugh
I know where it's going.
- [32:57]
Anthony
I'm living in Philly now. He's among them.
- [32:59]
Alan Hahn
Among them dating a lovely girl who's a Birds fan. I watched the super bowl and found myself pulling for them. Am I a fraud if I now call myself an Eagles fan?
- [33:11]
Anthony
Right. He's trying to stop himself from having the poll, but.
- [33:13]
Alan Hahn
So that's why he says he can live with the Scarlet letter. He just needs to.
- [33:18]
Anthony
Fraud. I'm sorry, He's a fraud.
- [33:19]
Don Hahn
He already admitted it.
- [33:21]
Anthony
And good for him.
- [33:22]
Don Hahn
Lock him up. Throw away the key.
- [33:24]
Anthony
It's fraud with reason. All right? We all would have done the same thing. Don't feel bad.
- [33:29]
Don Hahn
I respect it.
- [33:30]
Alan Hahn
Doesn't make you a bad person.
- [33:31]
Anthony
Make you a bad person.
- [33:32]
Alan Hahn
Doesn't make you a bad person.
- [33:33]
Anthony
Doesn't make you a dumb person. In this case, it makes you very smart person, very prudent. Decision by strategy.
- [33:38]
Don Hahn
Cotton. Let's see how it works out for him.
- [33:40]
Anthony
It's gonna work.
- [33:41]
Alan Hahn
Bailiff, bailiff. Can we bring back case number one on the docket today?
- [33:45]
Anthony
Oh, no.
- [33:45]
Alan Hahn
We have additional info on the Georgia Tech student.
- [33:48]
Don Hahn
Okay. Okay, let's go.
- [33:50]
Alan Hahn
He does root and go to Georgia Tech games.
- [33:53]
Anthony
All right, then he's there. Fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud.
- [33:55]
Alan Hahn
Okay, I'm glad we got that out of the way. That was a quick one.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
Everybody can go back once you did that.
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Anthony
Thank you for the additional information. Remember, information is king. Give us all of it.
- [34:07]
Don Hahn
See, Don, like in a situation, I can give you that's similar to that. My oldest daughter Emma went to Binghamton. Binghamton doesn't have a football team.
- [34:14]
Alan Hahn
No, they do not.
- [34:16]
Don Hahn
So when she went to grad school, she went. Physically went to the U. She went to Miami. And so while she was there, she went to Miami football games and loved every minute of it, had a great time. And I don't think that's fraudulent because her, her four year school didn't have a football team.
- [34:33]
Anthony
No, that's right.
- [34:34]
Don Hahn
So it's, it's fine for her now to care about Miami Hurricanes football and watch it regularly because she does have a degree from that, from that college.
- [34:42]
Alan Hahn
And she went, she literally went There.
- [34:44]
Don Hahn
Physically lived in Miami.
- [34:46]
Alan Hahn
All right, I got one more. Alan, I know you said you have.
- [34:49]
Don Hahn
I have one. You're part of this, Anthony.
- [34:52]
Alan Hahn
Interesting. I like this. All right, so Ed says die hard Mets fan hate the Yankees when they played the Phillies in the World Series. I boycotted that World Series.
- [35:01]
Anthony
I like it. I like this so far.
- [35:02]
Alan Hahn
I rooted for them against the diamondbacks in the 2001 World Series after 9 11. Just for new York. Is that a fraud move? There's a lot there.
- [35:12]
Don Hahn
Be careful.
- [35:14]
Anthony
No, don't do that to me.
- [35:15]
Don Hahn
No, you got to consider everything now.
- [35:18]
Anthony
No, come on, come on. Don't do it. How many guys on the Yankees were New Yorkers?
- [35:25]
Don Hahn
Oh, here we go.
- [35:26]
Anthony
Right? Stop with that. So that you.
- [35:28]
Don Hahn
You're gonna.
- [35:29]
Anthony
You're gonna root for the. Then Redskins for what happened in. Or the Steelers for what happened in Western Pennsylvania or the Redskins for what happened at the Pentagon.
- [35:38]
Don Hahn
I think you're missing the point.
- [35:39]
Anthony
No, no. The point is it had nothing to do with anything, okay? He hates the Yankees. He hates them.
- [35:45]
Don Hahn
Yeah, but he wasn't rooting for the Yankees. He was rooting for the city to have something nice and his team couldn't get there.
- [35:50]
Anthony
Yeah, he had something nice, a team in the World Series.
- [35:53]
Don Hahn
And then you had a championship, a chance to championship and have a nice parade.
- [35:58]
Anthony
Do what you got to do.
- [35:59]
Don Hahn
It didn't happen.
- [36:00]
Anthony
So he chose. Let's put it this way, okay.
- [36:02]
Don Hahn
Why is he a fraud? For that he.
- [36:04]
Anthony
Would you let me finish, Provincial?
- [36:07]
Don Hahn
I'm making the case.
- [36:09]
Anthony
He decided, all right, that because of what happened, the tragedy of 9 11, he decided that he thought it was okay for one World Series to be a fraud. Doesn't make you a bad guy. It's not being a.
- [36:23]
Alan Hahn
See, this is what makes Judge Don. The honorable Don Legca. The honorable.
- [36:27]
Anthony
You ask what's fraud? And so. And so there's disclaimers now, right? Like saying is. Is that you hate the. Yet you hate the Yankees.
- [36:33]
Don Hahn
Okay? But he wasn't. It wasn't about the Yankees in this case. He was. He felt this was the better thing for my town, my city. This was something, right? And he thought it's better for a minute.
- [36:47]
Anthony
It's better. And I, and I don't. I don't disagree with him. It was the right thing for him to do. He decided to be a fraud.
- [36:56]
Don Hahn
You wanted him to root against New York for those reasons, selfish personal reasons, rather than consider the importance.
- [37:05]
Anthony
Why are you putting me in this situation to argue this?
- [37:07]
Don Hahn
I told you to be Careful.
- [37:09]
Anthony
Well, no, I don't. I don't play sports radio carefully. I take on. I. I'm a judge.
- [37:14]
Alan Hahn
I think Don took a motion, take.
- [37:15]
Anthony
The robe off and walk out. I've got to take the cases as they come.
- [37:19]
Alan Hahn
He carried the gavel home. Alex.
- [37:21]
Anthony
And you asked me, is it fraudulent behavior?
- [37:24]
Don Hahn
Yes.
- [37:24]
Anthony
Now, it's logical to be fraudulent because I understand where he's coming from, but he is somebody that hates the Yankees, despises them, hates the Phillies because he's a Met fan, didn't watch the Yankee, Phillies, World Series because he hated both teams. So now he decided, because 911 was so significant, he decided to put his fandom away and root for the Yankees. It's still. It's still. He's still a fraud.
- [37:48]
Don Hahn
Technically, the Phillies World series happened after 9 11, right? After the 2001.
- [37:54]
Anthony
Right, but.
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Don Hahn
So he didn't change his mind then it was after the fact. So he went back to saying, all right, well, I hate the team, but all right. Can I at least get this from you? Is this on the same level as the zipper key guy who became the Philadelphia Eagles fan?
- [38:10]
Anthony
Well, don't. Both, don't.
- [38:11]
Don Hahn
Well, no. Is it. Isn't it the same thing?
- [38:13]
Anthony
It's fraud with reason. It's like manslaughter your know, it's like you still killed somebody, but maybe there's some extenuating circumstances, but somebody still died.
- [38:24]
Don Hahn
So it's a lesser sentence.
- [38:25]
Anthony
Now I'm saying, like, like there's different degree. It's still fraudulent behavior, but I understand it. If somebody wanted, you know, because of your wife, your girlfriend, it's fraudulent behavior, But I get it. You wanted to root for, you know, something good for New York because of what happened with 9 11. That's a very good reason. It's still fraudulent behavior, but it's a very, very good reason. Okay, and let me ask you this. Then let me ask you. It's not like 911 goes away, so why not just stop hating the Yankees altogether? You don't think those. You don't think the people of New York wanted to feel better in 2002?
- [38:55]
Don Hahn
It was in the moment. It was literally right there. It was October, man. Come on. A month later, we were still. Come on. They were still. It was still.
- [39:06]
Anthony
I know, and that's why. It's a good reason. Okay, but it's still.
- [39:09]
Don Hahn
I want. I just.
- [39:10]
Anthony
So was I wrong to root for. So. So it was wrong to root for the Diamondbacks?
- [39:15]
Don Hahn
Oh, my God. Yes, it was. Absolutely. It was. If you were A New Yorker or anybody that lived in the tri state area. Absolutely it was. I'll stand on that.
- [39:24]
Anthony
Wow. Interesting, Anthony. Well, you put me. You made me the bad guy. But you know what? I think I. I'm just telling you it's for very good reason, but it's still fraudulent behavior.
- [39:35]
Don Hahn
I. All I wanted was you to at least concede that there's levels of fraud.
- [39:39]
Alan Hahn
There's bad guy fraud and there's reasonable fraud, but there's no fraud.
- [39:43]
Anthony
I'm glad this came up. Because people you love can be a fraud, right? It's just a fraud. It's not as pejorative as it is.
- [39:51]
Don Hahn
It's just.
- [39:51]
Anthony
You're asking, is it fraudulent behavior?
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Don Hahn
I have somebody that I care deeply about that I now have to ask you go ahead. To judge whether or not this is fraudulent behavior. Anthony and I like to have a little group chat with another good friend of ours that we know and love very well at the station, Ty Butler. And Ty Butler admitted something this morning that caught my attention. In fact, I almost felt the same, which is why I think I'm also probably on trial as well.
- [40:26]
Alan Hahn
Oh, I feel good about this now.
- [40:27]
Anthony
And this was on the air?
- [40:28]
Don Hahn
No, no, this is in a group chat. And it was this, it was this revelation this morning at 8:58am from Ty Butler. Why are the Mets more interesting than the Yankees? Is something happening to me? He said, I'm still a die hard fan. I'll be living and dying with every pitch next week. But he said, I think the Mets are more interesting right now. And I will, I will add a little thing. You already have a judgment.
- [41:11]
Alan Hahn
I want a gif of this.
- [41:12]
Don Hahn
I was gonna have one more, but okay, he's done. The verdict is in.
- [41:19]
Anthony
You can finish your thought in a second. But okay, no fraud.
- [41:23]
Don Hahn
No fraud.
- [41:23]
Anthony
I'm gonna tell you why. Because Ty Butler's thinking like a talk show host. Oh, that's what you're doing now? Because actually, you know what? He became a talk show host today. Today was the day that he became a talk show host.
- [41:36]
Alan Hahn
What did I text?
- [41:36]
Anthony
Because he realizes that, you know what, I'm still a diehard Yankee fan, but he's not following a show based on I'm a fan, so I'm a Yankee fan. I talk about the Yankees. He's saying, what's the more interesting thing to talk about? What is the more compelling story to discuss on the show? What is going to drive more calls? What's going to be more interesting? He's thinking like a Talk show host, not a fan. He's being a professional. He. Today our radio station birthed talk show host. He might have done talk shows before today, but today he officially became a talk show host. And Alan, you were a talk show host already. That's why you agree with him. Because it's not about the drive of what moves my needle, it's about what moves everybody else's needle. What's the better topic, the more interesting topic? He's thinking like a talk show host, not like Joe fan. Love him.
- [42:28]
Joe Fortenbaugh
Why?
- [42:30]
Don Hahn
I'm very proud of him. But I'm also proud of Anthony. Because you know why, Don? Why is that? Because Anthony's response to that text was, yeah, you're a host, not a fan.
- [42:42]
Alan Hahn
Word for word, Don.
- [42:44]
Don Hahn
Word for word. Reading it right off the, Right off the. What do they call that when you read back the.
- [42:51]
Alan Hahn
The transcript.
- [42:51]
Don Hahn
The transcript, yeah.
- [42:53]
Anthony
So what was the other thing you were going to say?
- [42:54]
Don Hahn
Well, I was going to add that I will admit that this week, this entire week so far, I have consumed Mets as the first screen and Yankees as the commercial break, last channel check in. And I never do that.
- [43:12]
Anthony
But that, that's your job.
- [43:14]
Don Hahn
After the Red Sox series, I gave you the. I'm all set. Were they playing? Yeah, I'm all set. But too many times more compelled with the men. Like tonight, I might do it again because of Jonah Tom. I might do it again, Don. And that's why I feel like what's, what's happening to me. But you're right. When you, when I became a sports writer is when it all, it all died because like again, I grew up in Islanders fan. When I started covering that team and I knew too much and you knew all the things. It does change everything. And it's harder to be a fan because you know more than you need to or should or you want to. And you know you have the responsibility of covering it the right way. Also making sure when you're a talk show host, you are talking about the best topics, not your favorite topics.
- [44:00]
Anthony
You're a talk show host and you're watching a game because you're a fan, not because you're a talk show host. You happen to be a fan that happens to do a talk show. If you are watching the game, that's the most important. Because you're a talk show host. Is that because you are a talk.
- [44:18]
Don Hahn
Show host, you're serving the fans, right?
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Anthony
You're serving that. That's. That's the difference. So there's some people that are fans that have a talk show and then there are talk show hosts. Ty Butler is a talk show host. Alan Hahn is a so proud of Ty Butler. And that happens. Broad Alert Friday is driven by Ramsey Mazda. It's the experience of driving into Mazda buying a new Mazda from Ramsey Mazda. Choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda Lots to get to More calls we'll get into Tong making his debut. More pressure because the Mets lost lots on the table to talk about enn at 6 and of course the Mets at 6:30 on ESPN New York. You want to get the most for your money. That's why more Mazda buyers choose Ramsey Mazda for selection, customer service and savings during the Mazda More to move you sales event. Lease a new 25 Mazda CX30 for 239 for 33 months. Start shopping now at Ramsey Mazda.com, choose wisely. Choose Ramsey Mazda. Call 833-853-2970 for details. Vin SM 842601 MSRP 268800 Security deposit.
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Don Hahn
Now, I'm sure we have audio, right, Because I will say this, he did have a press conference right away. Like didn't, didn't really avoid it. He just got right out in front of it and explained some things. Now, none of it made any sense. He first of all steadfastly admitted that this was not, there was no hard feelings here, this was not out of spite or any of that stuff, and bragged about the fact that now they have four first round picks over the next two drafts. And he said, and I could use them, you know, I don't have to wait till the draft. I could use them right now to improve the team. So now you're waiting to see does he have something up his sleeve that he could flip a couple of picks for to improve the team? He had better. Well, because, you know, you, you, you did, you, you sent away a superstar in his prime on it, on your team and you're trying to build towards something. They weren't going to be a Super bowl team this year, but it didn't mean that you, that that's not a key piece to build towards. And then saying, well, you know, because of him, people run against us and we can't stop the run. So let me get a 30 year old defensive tackle that's going to help us stop the run. I mean, he made all the reasons or tried to, but I can't imagine anybody really bought into it.
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Anthony
Well, here's what he said. The Cowboys are in good shape.
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Jerry Jones
Things are good here. Things are good here. We have just decided that it was in the best interest of our, our team to take the consideration that we have. We appreciate his four years, but we can take that consideration and we can win in our minds more than had we gone the other route and signed. That's not a negative on my point. That's just unique to our circumstances.
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Anthony
What now, Cap?
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Don Hahn
What?
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Anthony
Do you regret the way this was handled?
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Jerry Jones
No, not at all. Nothing at all. You're asking if I regret. No, I don't regret that at all. You know, I'm very, very excited about the prospects of what we've done for the Cowboys here. I wouldn't have done it. I had total control over being able to have it the other way. So I'm excited. We got what we wanted.
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Anthony
I can't imagine you don't know what you got.
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Don Hahn
We. Well, who, who's the we?
- [51:23]
Anthony
Because there's him and his son.
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Don Hahn
There's, there's no way when he says we collectively. Ask your locker room. Look at the reaction of players in that locker room. Look at the reaction of former Cowboys and how they feel about it as well. This is, look, they are the standard when it comes to a franchise. As far as the brand that is the biggest brand in North American sports, there's no arguing it. They are incredibly financially successful with a massive following. And so you can't deny business wise, how successful they are. But it doesn't mean you can't damage a brand and bad decisions. And the way Jerry has been almost like I'm the biggest name here and if anybody else becomes bigger than me, well, I have a problem with it. That's the scary thing right now is that a man in his 80s wants to be the biggest name in a brand where you should be out of the way and let the players be the brand. And he did not let that happen.
- [52:27]
Anthony
Well, I just want to squeeze in Bobby and Bellmore. You're on ESPN New York. What's up, Bobby?
- [52:32]
Joe Fortenbaugh
Yes, hi. How are you?
- [52:34]
Anthony
Good.
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Joe Fortenbaugh
Before I get to my hockey question, the car parson is overrated. I mean, how many playoff games he won? He won, I think one against Tampa Bay when they were under.500.
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Anthony
And he's got like, I think one sack in four playoff games. But who has did it stop him from giving Prescott the money when he hasn't done anything in the postseason? Or Ezekiel Elliott or DeMarcus Ware back in the day when he didn't do anything in the postseason? Like Bobby, we don't have time for the we don't have time for the hockey comment. But the reason I'm going to get on him about that wasn't the reason he didn't trade him because he's overrated. He didn't trade him because he didn't show up in the postseason.
- [53:15]
Joe Fortenbaugh
That's not why it happened.
- [53:16]
Anthony
Otherwise he would have said that. He said that because he thought they were better off because he jerked around and got burned. He's 26 years old. He's a premier pass rusher. Don't give me the four post. They're one in three in the four postseason games. The whole team stinks in the postseason. The whole team is built incorrectly. But he still gave all the money to the players that also didn't do anything. Didn't have any problem getting Cooper. Didn't have any problem giving Dak Prescott the money. Didn't have any the first time around. Now given all the money that he gave up to the running back position, stop it. Every year he waits till the last second to get attention and now he got himself burned because the player was good enough that there were actually teams that wanted to trade for him. And if you think those two first round picks are going to equal anything close to Parsons, well then you know, good luck. Play the lottery they may, but that's no strategy.
- [54:05]
Don Hahn
Allen, Don, just last but not least here is this. If this is what you think is sound leadership after a trade like that, him saying this was a move to get us successful in the playoffs, him saying this was a move to be better on defense, him saying a well thought out move to make this happen, that is not sound leadership. When you move on from in his prime, arguably the best, if not one of the top three impactful defensive players in the sport.
- [54:35]
Anthony
And Alan, you don't give him credit for talking after it happened. That's the reason he did in the first place, because all the attention now is on him. There's no such thing as bad publicity.
- [54:44]
Don Hahn
I'm smarter than you.
- [54:45]
Anthony
1-800-919-3776, Don Hanan Rosenberg on ESPN New.
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