Hour 2: Joe Schoen & Fraud Alert

Summary

Don, Hahn & Rosenberg Podcast: Hour 2 – "Joe Schoen & Fraud Alert"

ESPN New York | January 2, 2026
Hosts: Ty Butler, Jake Asman (guest), Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

Hour 2 of the Don, Hahn & Rosenberg show dives into pressing New York sports debates, headlined by the future of the New York Giants' GM and head coach leadership, playoff chaos in the NFL’s final week, and the recurring "Fraud Alert Friday" segment—a humorous, cathartic roast of questionable sports and fan behavior. The hour features lively analysis, candid takes, listener calls, and friendly banter, capturing the tone and emotion of devoted New York sports fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Week 18: Playoff Seeding Chaotics & Fan Frustration

[01:51–07:49]

• League Resting Starters: Ty Butler highlights how Week 18 is dampened by teams (Eagles, Bills, Chargers) resting core players despite still having something to play for in playoff seeding.
  • “...the Chargers aren't playing anyone. These are teams with technically still something to play for. Seeding, which creates chaos… There’s not really a lot of intrigue in the 1 and 4 o’ clock windows.” (01:24)
• Fan Experience: Ty laments the lack of drama and meaningful Sunday matchups, saying:
  • “As a die-hard football fan, you know, closing out the season, would like to see more of these games on Sunday [that] matters 100%.” (05:14)
• Rosenberg notes on playoff matchups: The intrigue is diminished due to the prior week’s results, and teams’ rest strategies depend heavily on desired matchups and travel.
• Unexpected Scenarios: Ty and Rosenberg discuss how scenarios set up by the league don't always play out as intended, with the Atlanta Falcons' upset of the Rams throwing playoff plans into disarray.

2. New York Giants GM & Coaching Crossroads

[09:00–16:51]

• Joe Schoen Retention: Despite a poor record (21-45-1), insider reports say Giants GM Joe Schoen will return. Ty and Rosenberg question if this is due to owner John Mara’s health and organizational inertia.
  • Ty Butler: “That’s just not the resume of a guy who deserves to… pick a second one [head coach].” (11:07)
• Power Dynamics with Coaching Candidates: They speculate whether a top-tier coaching candidate (e.g., Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh) would demand personnel authority or new GM alignment—a situation reminiscent of Jacksonville with Liam Cohen and the Jets with “Glenn.”
  • Rosenberg: “Could we see something similar with a power dynamic situation with one of these top coaches?” (09:58)
• Attractiveness of Giants’ Job: Despite a dismal recent history, the hosts believe the Giants' prestige and roster (with a young QB) still make it an appealing landing spot for big-name coaches.

3. Who Should Giants Fans Want: Tomlin or Harbaugh?

[15:08–18:48]

• Mike Tomlin vs. John Harbaugh: Ty & Rosenberg agree Tomlin is preferable due to his program-building and leadership, positing he’s “never had a quarterback” to pair with his top-tier coaching.
  • Rosenberg: “The Giants need their Tom Thibodeau... They need someone to get them out of hell.” (15:27)
  • Ty Butler: “So I think... his resume fits exactly what they need to try and stabilize things and get their program back on track.” (16:11)
• Listener Callout: Ryan Clark’s bold prediction (via Rich Eisen clip) that Tomlin could end up Giants HC catches their attention.
  • Rich Eisen: “[Ryan Clark’s] bold prediction: Tomlin—I'd be so envious as a Jet fan. But Tomlin, the next head coach of the New York Giants.” (18:03)
  • Rosenberg: “They would instantly turn things around and be at the bare minimum, a team that is in the hunt next year.” (18:48)
• They note that either choice—Tomlin or Harbaugh—would be hugely positive, but Tomlin’s lack of an elite QB in Pittsburgh gives him a better excuse for recent playoff struggles compared to Harbaugh, who “consistently has one of the best [QBs] in the NFL.”

4. “Fraud Alert Friday” Segment

[25:26–38:57]

A recurring comedy roast focusing on sports, fans, and pop culture fraudulence, judged by wielding a real gavel.

• Anthony Pusek’s Delayed Proposal: Ty calls out producer Anthony for failing to propose when promised.
• Alex Monaco's Dual Padres/Mets Fandom: Called “fraudulent” for rooting for both teams and not choosing a side when they played each other.
  • Rosenberg: “When you say in a playoff series you couldn't pick, that's fraudulent. You have a team. You can't have more than one team.” (30:25)
• ChatGPT as a Betting Fraud: Listener Uncle Evan accuses AI (and nephew Jake Asman) of fraudulent sports betting advice.
• Lane Kiffin’s “Support” for Ole Miss: Ty roasts Kiffin for wanting to “support” his old team in the playoffs immediately after abandoning them for LSU, calling it performative and self-promotional.
  • Ty Butler: “The idea that you care so much about these players, that you’re rooting for them, that you want to be in attendance for this game is such fraudulent BS, my man.” (36:38)
• Draymond Green's Selective Rest: Critiqued for only sitting out when Steph Curry is unavailable, coupled with complaints about playing on Christmas.
  • Ty Butler: “I guess Draymond is just not allowed to play if Steph Curry's not in the lineup.” (38:09)

5. NBA Roundup & Knicks Aspirations

[41:11–44:12]

• Knicks’ Outlook: Ty and Rosenberg preview Knicks–Hawks and debate future championship possibilities.
  • Rosenberg: “With Jalen Brunson on the Knicks, they will win a title.” (44:08)
• Nets-Wizards Banter: Rosenberg calls the game so boring, quoting Don La Greca:
  • “If Nets Wizards was being played in my backyard, I would close the blinds, man.” (42:29)
• Knicks’ Window: Ty presses Rosenberg to go on record—will this team win it all? Rosenberg affirms it’s possible with Brunson at the helm.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Joe Schoen Debate:
  • Ty Butler (11:06): “After the organization told you you failed in picking your first head coach, you get to pick a second one? That's just not something I think Joe Schoen deserves.”
  • Rosenberg (12:52): “If the reason why Joe Schoen is being retained is because the Giants don’t feel...equipped to lead both a GM and coach search, that's unacceptable.”
• Coach Preference—Tomlin or Harbaugh?:
  • Rosenberg (15:27): “The Giants need their Tom Thibodeau...They need someone who could stabilize things, build a program, hire a good staff. I think Mike Tomlin has proven he could do that.”
  • Ty Butler (16:39): “With Harbaugh, you've got not just a quarterback, but one of the best in the NFL, a top-three guy, a two-time league MVP. And I consistently come away from Raven seasons feeling underwhelmed.”
• "Fraud Alert Friday":
  • Rosenberg (30:25): “You can't have more than one team. It's like...‘I win either way’—no man, you have to. You can't ride the fence. You have a team.”
  • Ty Butler on Lane Kiffin (36:38): “The idea that you care so much about these players...is such fraudulent BS, my man. You dipped on them.”
• NBA Roundup:
  • Rosenberg (42:29): “If Nets Wizards was being played in my backyard, I would close the blinds, man.”
  • Rosenberg (44:08): “With Jalen Brunson on the Knicks, they will win a title.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-------------|-------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:51–07:49 | NFL Week 18 playoff chaos & fan intrigue | | 09:00–16:51 | Giants GM/HC future: Joe Schoen, Mara health, coach search | | 15:08–18:48 | Tomlin vs. Harbaugh: Giants’ best option, Ryan Clark take | | 25:26–38:57 | "Fraud Alert Friday": Fan/coach/player/media “frauds” | | 41:11–44:12 | Knicks future, NBA banter, Nets-Wizards jokes |

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Listener Calls & Interactivity

• Frank (21:35): Advocates for Tomlin as Giants HC due to his ability to keep teams competitive despite injuries; doubts credit for Schoen’s “obvious” draft picks.
• Uncle Evan (33:14): Humorously accuses ChatGPT of being a “fraud” after poor sports-betting results with nephew Jake Asman.

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Tone and Style

The hour is bustling with trademark New York radio energy: rapid-fire exchanges, passionate opinions, friendly trash talk, pop culture references, and an interactive, community-driven style. The hosts deftly balance serious football analysis (especially regarding the Giants’ uncertain future) with comedic takes and relatable fan anxiety.

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Summary

This episode captures the emotional landscape of New York sports fandom, combining real frustrations (Giants’ ongoing struggles, NFL schedule quirks) with hope (big-name coach possibilities, the Knicks’ championship window). The “Fraud Alert Friday” provides comic relief and community engagement as a highlight, skewering everything from multi-team MLB fans to college football drama. The hosts’ chemistry and commitment to fan-centric authenticity make the show as much about the culture of sports as the weekly headlines themselves.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

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[Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

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[Ty Butler]

One hour down, three more to go on this football Friday. Ty Butler, Jake Asmon with you until 7:00', clock, 800-919-3776 D. Butler at Jake Asmon at DHR on ESPN. People having fun with the sexual innuendos in the chat.

[Rosenberg]

They love what you're talking about.

[Ty Butler]

They love that stuff.

[Rosenberg]

We run a clean family operation as a Disney owned radio station.

[Ty Butler]

Apparently I got dumped a couple of times last week, which I thought was pretty soft on Anthony's part.

[Rosenberg]

You got dumped?

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, because I was simply referencing what Nick fan favorite Josh Hart did to Jalen Brunson during the NBA cup trophy presentation. And apparently I'm not allowed to describe that. Intercourse.

[Rosenberg]

What is the appropriate term?

[Ty Butler]

I don't know.

[Rosenberg]

Is there a PG friendly term?

[Ty Butler]

What can I say, Anthony, exactly what.

[Jake Asman]

You just did is fine.

[Ty Butler]

That's cool. I did call it intercourse because technically.

[Rosenberg]

Yo, would you of the sexual relation con, would you believe that? Am I being dumped for that? Probably not, no.

[Ty Butler]

Would you believe I was doing a show maybe the day after that happened and some guy called up and was angry that Josh Hart did that stag? Josh Hart's Jalen Brunson's wife should be offended. That was grotesque. It was disgusting.

[Rosenberg]

They're on a podcast laughing about it a week later.

[Ty Butler]

He was so irate, I couldn't. I eventually, in talking to him, figured out why he was so mad. But it's just. It's just interesting the level people go to and what they choose to be mad about.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, by the way, congrats to Jalen Brunson, Eastern Conference player of the month for December.

[Ty Butler]

Congrats, Brunson. Congrats, Jalen. Um, we'll talk some Knicks later on in the show before we get to the Giants. Maybe I'm just making this up or caring too much in a way that I shouldn't care, but the NFL has got to figure out Week 18 in a sense of like, you have like, the Eagles just ruled out seven players. The Bills are going to be resting guys. The Chargers aren't playing anyone. These are teams with technically still something to play for. Seating, which creates chaos. Now we know the games that matter on Saturday. Bucks, Panthers, you got Niners, Seahawks, Steelers, Ravens. But technically Bills, jets should matter for Buffalo because they can get to as high as the five seed the Chargers. That game should matter seating wise. But they're just deciding, you know what, we're just going to give ourselves a buy. And now there's not really a lot of intrigue in the 1 and 4 o' clock windows.

[Rosenberg]

It's not great and I don't really know what they could do because it kind of just played out that way. Based on the results from the prior.

[Ty Butler]

Week, how do you entice teams to want to jump up even. Even with them not winning their division and not hosting? I guess that's the question.

[Rosenberg]

But so much of it is matchup dependent, right? Like if a team felt like they had a clear advantage if they were the five seed playing this team versus staying as the six seed and having to go and go to this team or the travel, like maybe there's a west coast team that have to play if they lost. So if they win they could it'll be closer to home because either way we're talking about the Bills being a wild card team.

[Ty Butler]

So let me ask you this of this. Well, there's there are eight teams vying for the seven spots but let's just say this, let's just say it stays as is 1 through 7 in the AFC. Which team do you do you say you would fear the less the least? Because I think there's an easy answer for me and I'm rooting for this team.

[Rosenberg]

Are we talking about like just one through seven? They've already clinched the plate.

[Ty Butler]

No, just go one through seven as right. Right now let's remove Baltimore. Pittsburgh's in the fourth slot. Which team do you say is like the least scariest?

[Rosenberg]

Think it kind of has to be Pittsburgh now given their history.

[Ty Butler]

So wouldn't you want to move up to the five seed to play a 41 year old quarterback who's got a broken hand, a fractured left hand is going to be coming off of a Sunday night game or like even if the Ravens get in. And I love Lamar but he hasn't looked the same since coming back from the hamstring injury. They're kind of a mess right now on offense. Like wouldn't you try to as best as possible get up to the five seed?

[Rosenberg]

I think, I think within reason I think they value it. I don't think it's like they need it at all cost because they did just go because the other option, if they stay as the 7 seed, the Buffalo Bills would play the New England Patriots and they just went into their building down 21 nothing and came back and won. And New England's unproven. They Got Bravel but that roster hasn't had a ton of playoff experience that's on it. It's a younger team, so maybe that's part of the thinking. And honestly the Bills could probably win if Josh Allen plays a quarter like he's not on the injury report at all with any designation, get through a quarter, get up 14, nothing on the Jets. The backups are going to be able to will them to a win if they had to play the rest of the game from that point on.

[Ty Butler]

And I guess you value if you are Buffalo and Josh has the foot injury, if you're the Chargers and Herbert's dealing with the hand issue, you value the rest more than you do the seating because you'll think I can beat any of these teams anywhere. And to your point, because of how the bracket is shaken out, you've got unproven quarterbacks at the top. You know Bo Nix and Drake May and then you know Trevor Lawrence who has a playoff win under his belt but still not a ton of experience. I just as a, as a die hard football fan, you know, closing out the season, would like to see more of these games on Sunday matters 100%.

[Rosenberg]

Well, even the Saturday game because of the Atlanta Falcons playing as well as they are. Yeah, we thought it was a winning. You're in for the, for the Bucks and the Panthers. It's not right if Tampa wins. They still need some help with Atlanta losing for them to get the division. I believe that's the scenario.

[Ty Butler]

Yes.

[Rosenberg]

So like it's, it's not even a true like winning. You're in for both teams in that battle tomorrow.

[Ty Butler]

How does the NFL screw that up?

[Rosenberg]

You could blame the Falcons, I guess.

[Ty Butler]

Well, they just didn't think the Falcons had any shot of beating the Rams basically.

[Rosenberg]

Did you think the Atlanta Falcons were going to beat the Rams last week?

[Ty Butler]

You're the NFL. You're supposed to have all of these scenarios figured out.

[Rosenberg]

Well what matchup they have put there instead. Right. They got Raven Steelers as the last game in the regular season. That's the Sunday night game.

[Ty Butler]

But this is where you need again like the Chargers to value seeding and the Bills to value seeding. So you can still have a game of significance. And what would have been perfect is if, if Buffalo would have beaten Philly to stay alive for the AFC East. And now you have New England and Buffalo both, you know, battling for that seating game.

[Rosenberg]

It's just one of those years. I feel like in the past you get more kind of like drama for the last game. But it's, it's basically sitting. I mean the one seed being on the line is a big deal with Sam Darnold being involved in that for the second year in a row. Seattle and the Niners. That's a really intriguing game as well.

[Ty Butler]

Steelers, I mean is incredible.

[Rosenberg]

That's it. I mean you got Aaron Rodgers. Lamar looks like he's going to play Tomlin versus Harbaugh. There's a giant angle we're going to cover on the show today. Like it just, it's one of those years. I feel like this year though, there's maybe more, more parody than we've had in a while where it feels as wide open as any year I could think of when in terms of who can actually get to a Super Bowl.

[Ty Butler]

But even Philly sitting six starters, I mean they still can get the two seed. They're defending champs. We don't care who we play.

[Rosenberg]

Only one buy though. Do they value the two to play Green Bay?

[Ty Butler]

Like would I rather play the Rams? Who could be the. It's going to be an NFC west team. So it's Seahawks, Rams or what's the other Niners as the sixth seed. Would I rather play any of those teams or would I rather play the Packers?

[Rosenberg]

Packers are a tricky team because various points this year I agree show with my Tannenbaum. He's like they're the best team in the NFC and at times they've looked like that without Parsons. Are they the same team? Obviously not, but they're still good. I was shocked. The Ravens just beat the you know what out of them on Saturday night.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, backwards quarterback. But I mean Tucker Kraft out for the season. Micah. So you could argue their best players on both sides of the ball, weapons wise, on. On offensive craft and then Micah out for the season so that they, they can be. Could you imagine if you're a Bears fan and shout out to my guy, Danny Parkins, die hard Bears fan if like this is the most excited you've been about a Bears team, you know, since the 80s. Right.

[Rosenberg]

And you don't count the Jay Cutler teams or the, the Rex Grossman super bowl team.

[Ty Butler]

And oh six, you have your quarterback. It looks like you have your head coach. Caleb's got a ch. The first 4,000 yard passer in Bears franchise history and all of that to get clipped by the seven seed packers in round one. Like just imagine how insane you'd feel if you're a Bears fan if that happened.

[Rosenberg]

Oh, it'd be devastating. But the Bear, the Bears, I guess if they drop to three, and then they'd be matched up with.

[Ty Butler]

But they. If they're going to beat the Lions, you'd figure they beat the Lions. If they beat the Lions, they clinch the two seed.

[Rosenberg]

And if you're the two, you'd play the seven, which right now would be Green Bay.

[Ty Butler]

Losing to Green Bay this year when, when, when you've had all this go right for you.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

Fourth quarter wins, you've got your quarterback, your head coach. Green Bay looks like they're trending in the wrong direction. This would be a tough pill to swallow for my man Fran in Massapequa. Let's talk about the Giants. So reports are, despite Joe Shane being 21, 45 and 1 as the general manager of this team, he's coming back. So I've got multiple questions here.

[Rosenberg]

Why?

[Ty Butler]

Why? Feels like it's just the set of circumstances John Maris dealing with, you know, his illness, the cancer, he just. It's just very unfortunate. So we wish him well. But on top of that, what happens if you get a head coach who just decides, I don't want Joe Shane as my general manager. And you love the head coach, like, similar to what we saw in Jacksonville with Liam Cohen.

[Rosenberg]

How badly do you want that coach? Right. Like let's say Mike Tomlin and John Harbaugh, the loser is actually available and you're the Giants and you want them. Why would Mike Tomlin, why would John Harbaugh take a job and have to report to a general manager who is 6 and 27 over his last two years alone? There's just no way. It'd be very similar to what happened with Liam Cohen, who wasn't even as accomplished as those two future hall of Fame coaches we just mentioned. But he said, I'm not taking this job unless I could pick my personnel guy I get to work with. They fired Trent Balke, got rid of him. Could we see something similar with a power dynamic situation with one of these top coaches saying, yeah, I like the job, I like dart, I like some of the players on the roster, it's New York. I don't want to work with Joe Shane. Would Joe Shane be willing to take a backseat to one of these top of the line coaches? Like when Mike Vrabel got the Pats job, Elliot Wolf, their general manager, he remained on. But Vrabel got to bring one of his personnel people in with him and his final say on personnel, much like Glenn has, for whatever reason with the jets and Shanahan. And you read all the top coaches, could that be the case where, hey, yeah, Shane's sticking around, but Mike Tomlin's going to bring in someone he likes or Harbaugh is going to bring in one of his guys. And that's kind of the new dynamic of the organization.

[Ty Butler]

So Joe Shane deserves credit for, you know, Abdul Carter, right? Malik Neighbors, Jackson Dart, Cam Scatterboo. The Brian Burns trade was an A plus from Joe Shane, but then you have like the Deontay Banks and the Jalen Hyatt. So, like, there's, There have been some home runs, there have been some swings and misses, but the, the biggest indictment of him is, you know, Herm Edwards, you are what your record says you are. You're 21, 45 and 1. So that's just not the resume of a guy who deserves to. After the organization told you you failed in picking your first head coach, you get to pick a second one. Like, I like, that's just not something I think Joe Shane deserves. And what happens, like, you're not going to fire him after this head coach's first season, he's going to have to get an extension. He's going to have to get an extension.

[Rosenberg]

He's on the last year of his deal.

[Ty Butler]

And so it's just like, as attractive as this job is. And I preached last week like, the Giants have the worst record in the NFL since 2017, so their fans have every reason to be discouraged. Anthony Pusick, I mean, he's. You can't find a more dead the Giant fan inside. But because you have the quarterback, because you have some blue chippers on this roster, it makes the head coaching job attractive. And if we want to do the exercise with the jet parallels of why, you know, you can look at the Lions and find some positivity there as far as, like, you know, what it can look like. Same thing with the Giants, with Chicago, who did this, you had the quarterback in place, got a new head coach. Jacksonville, the Patriots, we keep talking about them. So if you believe you have the quarterback, it's still the New York Giants. That brand means something in the NFL. They should be able to get a pretty damn Good head coach, 100% and.

[Rosenberg]

A really qualified general manager. And the one thing that I think is troublesome is we all understand John Mara has cancer, and of course that's more important than anything football related. But if the reason why Joe Shane is being retained is because the Giants don't feel like internally they're equipped to lead both a GM reason and coach search, that's unacceptable. The diagnosis for John Mara they've known for a while. Like again, it was his decision to remain in control of football operations. The giants are worth $10 billion. So that, that can't be the reason why you're not going to make a general manager change and using John Mara's health as like an excuse why they wouldn't make a change. Like that's, that's just a bad look for the Giant organization because again, what does Joe Shane do well as a gm? What has he shown you? That he deserves a chance to pick a second coach. He hasn't done enough. It'd be a historic. Much like our jet conversation around if Glenn turned it around it'd be a historic outlier. It's a historic outlier that Shane's even around to now pick another coach. GMs with his record, quite frankly, don't ever get that opportunity. I think it's only happened four times among guys who have had this win loss record through four years.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, I mean this precedent for being bad, getting the head coach wrong and being able to select the next one. We saw less need that happened with him. Jason Light out in Tampa Bay. So it's happened a couple times but there's just when you're at the Giants, man, you've been this bad for so long. You obviously you have to get it right but it's an attract. It's. To me it's a more attractive job if both of them are open. Agreed, it's way more attractive. Um, but let me throw this at you and I know you're not a Giant fan, but looking through the lens of the Giant fan and if you're a Giant fan and you want to weigh on in on this, hit us up in the comments or on the phone line 800-919-3776 so we lay out the scenario. Steelers, Ravens, okay? Winner goes to the playoffs. Loser is now available. And I don't think anyone's getting fired because that's disrespectful to do to a coach who had that much success with the organization. If it's Harbaugh or Tomlin. But if you're the Giants, who are you rooting for to lose this game? Because that's the one that you want.

[Rosenberg]

Of the two, I want Mike Tomlin. I want Mike Tomlin and I'll tell you why people could laugh at the oh, he's never had a losing season. Who cares? He hasn't won a playoff game in seven seasons or whatever it is seven or eight years. The Giants need their Tom Thibodeau. This was my, this was my big thing for the Jets a year ago. Why I wanted Mike McCarthy, why I think Mike McCarthy. If they can't get Mike Tomlin or Harbaugh for the Giants would make sense. They need someone to get them out of hell. They need someone who could stabilize things, build a program, hire a good staff. I think Mike Tomlin has proven he could do that. And again, the big issue for Mike Tomlin has been he hasn't had the quarterback because he's a victim almost of his own success. They win too many games to be picking at the top of the draft to reset and get their qb. You have the quarterback with Jackson Dart.

[Ty Butler]

So I think by the way, he could have drafted this pass to be fair.

[Rosenberg]

Yes, but they were all in to try and win with Aaron Rodgers because they were, they were going for it with all their moves. Fair criticism, but I just think his resume to me fits exactly what they need to try and stabilize things and get their program back on track.

[Ty Butler]

I'm with you because if we do the face off between Tomlin and Hart.

[Rosenberg]

By the way, I'll gladly take either if I'm a Giants fan. Let me get that on the record.

[Ty Butler]

Correct. But I'm with you on Tomlin because if either of those guys get axed, at least for Tomlin and you just hit on it, the excuse is hasn't had a quarterback. Now I guess the counterpoint to that is he is in control of the roster.

[Rosenberg]

He picked Kenny Pickett.

[Ty Butler]

You could have, yes, the Mitch Trubisky Kenny Pickett. Like you could have gotten a quarterback. You just for whatever reason haven't gotten that thing right. But with Harbaugh, you've got not just a quarterback, but one of the best in the NFL, a top three guy, a two time league mvp. And I consistently come away from Raven seasons feeling underwhelmed. Now you can put that all on Lamar, but if you watch these Ravens playoff games, it's like they lose their identity, they lose their, their discipline with Zay Flowers and Derrick Henry with the fumbling. Like they just become a completely different team from what we watch during the regular season. And again, some of that is on Lamar, who tends to have his worst game in their final game of the year. But that's also on the head coach. So I can't sit here and excuse bad playoff losses by a coach who has a two time league MVP where I could look at Tom and say, hey man, you haven't had anyone at that position. Throw in Russell Wilson right now.

[Rosenberg]

Which one is more likely to actually be available though? Because I think the Steelers could actually lose Sunday night. And personally, I don't think Mike Tomlin's going anywhere.

[Ty Butler]

It sounds like it's on the table. So on that note, Ryan Clark, he was on and he's got a bold prediction that Tomlin actually will become the HC of the nyg.

[Rich Eisen]

Mike Tomlin leads the New York Giants to the playoffs with Fernando. I don't know who the quarterback's going to be. Mutual part ways after they lose to the Ravens this weekend. The Rooney Mara family like that. They're extreme, obviously. And so because of that, Mike Tomlin's now the new head coach of the New York Giants. You want to make a splash, you want to get the right guy, you want to change the culture. That's the way to do it.

[Ty Butler]

And by the way, the comments just mentioned this. I did screw that up when I said you are what your record says you are. That was part salad I was thinking of you play to win the game. Herm Edwards. But Ryan Clark, who's plugged in, says his poll prediction. Tom and I'd be so envious as a Jet fan. But Tomlin, the next head coach of the New York Giants, they would instantly.

[Rosenberg]

Instantly turn things around and be at the bare minimum, a team that is in the hunt next year. You would feel really good about the direction of your team you had. You would have a lot of faith he'd hire a good coaching staff. Some guys just maybe need a change. Andy Reid let Philly Kansas City hired him right away and guess what? They don't regret it for a damn second. So if Tomlin was available, if Harbaugh was available, they'd be unemployed for 10 minutes if they wanted to be. And other teams that actually have coaches employed would consider getting rid of their guy to try and hire one of those guys, probably through back channels because that's how good those guys are for.

[Ty Butler]

The most part in the NFL, if you nail the head coach quarterback combination, your floor typically is your playoff team, right?

[Rosenberg]

Unless there's an injury or something, you're going to have a chance to compete.

[Ty Butler]

Every year, barring some significant injury. Your flight if you nail the head coach quarterback combination is making the playoffs and obviously a ceiling. Depending on how good the roster is, you can win a Super Bowl. 800-919-3776 so we're aligned. If we had to choose between these two guys, it would be Tomlin.

[Rosenberg]

Would the jets wake up if Mike Tomlin was available?

[Ty Butler]

But what? What? So let's talk this out. Why would Mike Tomlin. It's the Joe Burrow conversation all over again. It's like, man, you know what? I just need a change of scenery. I've had enough of Pittsburgh. I've had enough of Cincinnati. I need a change of scenery. Let me go play for or work for the New York jets, led by Woody Johnson, who just last year was voted the worst owner in all of the sport.

[Rosenberg]

We need the Leon Hess moment from Woody when he got Parcell's after the Kotite disaster. Like, I'm not getting any younger. I want to win now. And gave the full keys to Bill Parcells. And the jets went from 1 in 15 to 9 and 7 in year one and then 12 and four. Imagine the jets being 12 and four nowadays. 12 and four. AFC championship game in year two. And. But by the way, like, that's my point on a guy like, beyond even Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy. People poo poo. Mike McCarthy's.607 winning percentage. The guy won 12 games or more in Dallas in three of his five years. There was the two years he didn't that got hurt.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah. To live in a world where Giant fans who have watched their team since 2017 win the fewest games in the league somehow decide that they're too Good for Mike McCarthy. Mike Tomlin or John. John Harbaugh is insanity. That we would have a zero tolerance policy for. 800-9193776. Franken Newark wants to chime in about the Giants next head coach. Frank, talk to us, my man.

[Frank]

Oh, guys, good afternoon. I'll say this. I'm Tomlin all the way. Because if you look, forget the side that he has never had a losing record. Let's focus on what he's able to do when he's depleted with injuries on the roster. The Giants in the last couple seasons have had nothing but injuries. And it's been a next man, step up mentality with Mike Tomlin throughout his career. For some reason, I feel like he could take the towel boy and convert them into a quarterback and make the team somewhat relevant. And that's what I need from your Giants football, some sort of relevancy. Now, I will say this. You're my guy and everything, but I cannot give. I have a tough time giving Joe Shane any credit from elite neighbors because I could. I think my. My friend Alan. I'm sorry, Don La Preco would say I could have made that pick.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Ty Butler]

But that's not.

[Frank]

Jackson. Okay, fair enough. I'll give you that argument. Jackson Dark. Yeah. Jackson Dart. It felt like more like Dable traded, you know, forced his hand and told me and kind of had a conviction on trading up to get him. I mean, so. So that's what I would say about that. But other than that, I agree with you guys. No head coach was as much experience as Tomlin or even Harboro. Because I do give Harbaugh some, A lot respect, whatever. Ever look at Shane and say, I want to work with this guy because he, he's been successful. No one was. No one in their mind would ever say that.

[Ty Butler]

No, I hear you, Frank, and I appreciate the call. I'm not a big fan of. Well, I could have made that draft pick. Sure. Like everything pointed to anyone in that spot would have done that. But to be fair, if we're going to assign demerits for misses, we just have to give you credit for the hits. That, that just is the most fair thing to do.

[Rosenberg]

It's on the resume. The one thing I would say for people that want to like, break down Joe Shane's resume and say, well, he's coming back because he drafted Dart. Yes, give him credit. He orchestrated the trade up to get Dart. It was a very good move. They didn't give up a ton. And obviously it's worked out. Brian Dabel was pounding the table for Jackson Dart. Even in the video the Giants put out on their social media where they have all the guys on camera. Shane is very like calculated in his answer when talking to Dable as they're about to turn in the pick. You know, we did all the evaluation. You guys believe in them. Let's roll the dice. Like, it's very like, this is like my coaching staff, my head coach wants this guy, so we're going to get him. So it's easy to be like, well, he got him Dart. He gets another year. It's like we need, there needs to be some nuance applied to that conversation when we just blindly say he got Dart. So of course he gets to pick the head coach to work with Jackson Dart.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Ty Butler]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Did you or someone you know participate in fraudulent fan behavior?

[Rosenberg]

I'm a fraud with a capital F.

[Don Hahn]

Is your friend a fraud?

[Tony]

I have been a complete and utter fraud.

[Don Hahn]

Are you a fraud?

[Ty Butler]

What is fraud?

[Don Hahn]

Let's ask Don Lagrequer.

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[Rosenberg]

Go scratch yourself.

[Ty Butler]

But we're not asking Don Lagreca today. Taking the place of Don Lake Wrecker will be my man, Jake Asman. Who's. Who's ready? Jake is fired up. He's so passionate about his anger for the Jets. I don't know that you've got a chance against him today. I gather that there's like you could go fight 15 different people once you leave the station. You're not losing to anyone. That's how fired up you are.

[Rosenberg]

You think I'm that strong?

[Ty Butler]

Well, I just. I just think that you get buoyed by anger and I've seen you on the YouTube show. I've seen you doing your thing across the station. As you said, you've hit every time slot. So I just.

[Rosenberg]

Thirteen radio shows in 15 days. Yeah, man, we're making it happen.

[Ty Butler]

You've got some stamina. They don't call you the ass man for no reason.

[Rosenberg]

I mean, these are your words, not mine.

[Ty Butler]

They don't do that for no reason. Time now for Fraud Alert Friday. Brought to you by d' Agostino Law. The first fraud is Anthony Pugh. Music. Let's be honest, my man told me he was going to propose to his lady on New Year's Eve. Again, didn't happen.

[Rosenberg]

Blowing up his spot. Is this true?

[Jake Asman]

Todd just makes it up.

[Ty Butler]

What a fraud.

[Jake Asman]

It always like. Like Jake's a fake job interview that he's going to after the show.

[Ty Butler]

What? Yo, Jake, I down baby.

[Jake Asman]

Has created this narrative.

[Rosenberg]

I don't know what job interviews you've been to that's happened after 6 o', clock.

[Ty Butler]

But sure, we'll roll with that. No, this is not happening after 6 o', clock, my G. This is happening before you get here. Oh, I get here.

[Jake Asman]

I would say it's fraudulent that Ty continues to pedal this well.

[Ty Butler]

I'm just following natural progression. Moved in, moved in with his lady. You know, you're starting to, you know, feel how it, how it is to live with your significant other. And I thought it's. It's actually the eighth most popular holiday to or day of the year to propose on.

[Jake Asman]

It's kind of corny, though.

[Rosenberg]

No.

[Jake Asman]

All respect to everybody that's done it.

[Ty Butler]

It is.

[Rosenberg]

What are the seven that are more Christmas Eve?

[Ty Butler]

There's a weird one in there. Like the Saturday before Christmas, Arbor Day.

[Jake Asman]

Heard Arbor Day is a big proposal.

[Rosenberg]

What about Yom Kippur?

[Jake Asman]

I can't imagine that that is kosher, as it were.

[Ty Butler]

Thanksgiving, Christmas Eve, Christmas Day, the Labor Day before Christmas. I don't think I saw Labor Day, New Year's Day. Like, there are a bunch of holiday. Oh, July 4th, birthday, anniversary day, anniversary.

[Rosenberg]

Well, it's not a holiday.

[Ty Butler]

Oh, no. It's popular days of the year. All right, so before we do this.

[Rosenberg]

Can I just ask a question on how Don goes about this? I've never seen the video of it. I've only heard the segment.

[Ty Butler]

Of course.

[Rosenberg]

So I have in my hand the fraud court. You know, Hon. Donald Marco La Grecka. You know, what's these things even called? Gavel. Feel like I'm Aaron Judge. All rise. Does he actually hold it into the mic, or is it loud enough if I just smash it right below the mic? Yeah, not only.

[Jake Asman]

He holds it. Holds it towards the mic.

[Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Jake Asman]

It's a little hollow.

[Ty Butler]

The gavel.

[Jake Asman]

Whatever you'd want to call what you hit the gavel with. Not the most.

[Rosenberg]

I can see it's a little banged up here.

[Jake Asman]

Yeah, well, listen, we. We've had a lot of fraud.

[Ty Butler]

Also good for Don for holding it.

[Rosenberg]

Towards the mic, just like you said.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah. So let's. Let's hear it. Let's give the audience. He's no Don Lagreca.

[Rosenberg]

This is tough. This is doing damage to my fingers. You've been trying to grab. Grab the word plank thing.

[Jake Asman]

It's amazing, isn't it, Don?

[Rosenberg]

Don's a man's man. If he does this every week, God bless.

[Ty Butler]

So you want to start first, or do you want me to go?

[Rosenberg]

Well, you said something about Alex Monaco, and I like Alex, and that got me intrigued right away, because I thought you guys had some good shows together.

[Ty Butler]

Thank you. I appreciate that. So this guy had the audacity, the unmitigated gall to sit up here and call himself a Met fan, which at first, I'm like, all right, cool. Chose the wrong team to root for in the city you don't roll with, you know, the team that actually makes the playoffs. But sure, you want to Be a Met fan. Cool with it. Then he says he's also a Padres fan because he's from San Diego. So I said, wait a minute. Hold up. You're a Padres fan. Also a Met fan. So he becomes a Met fan because he's got. Apparently, he's got family members who are hardcore Met fans, as if that has anything to do with how you should root. So I asked him. The Mets and Padres. What was it, three years ago? Played a playoff series.

[Rosenberg]

The wild card round.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, the wild card round. And who did you root for? Didn't root for anyone. Oh, come on, Joyless. I was. I just wanted to see. Whoever won the series, I would be fine with. He hates the Yankees because he's a Met fan, not because the Padres beat the Yankees in a World Series, but he hates the Yankees because he's a Met fan but also is a Padres fan.

[Rosenberg]

Do I hit this thing if I think he's a fraud?

[Jake Asman]

That's right.

[Ty Butler]

That's right.

[Rosenberg]

All right.

[Ty Butler]

Fraud. There we go.

[Rosenberg]

Order. Got. I mean, look, it'd be one thing if he said, hey, I'm a Padres fan, but my family grew up Met fans. They're from the area, so I respect the Met fan. I root for them if the Padres aren't playing. But when you say in a playoff series, you couldn't pick, that's fraudulent. You have a team. You can't have more than one team. It's like, oh, I don't mind about a subway series. Yankees and Mets. I win either way. No, man, you have to. You can't ride the fence. You have a team. That's got to be your team.

[Ty Butler]

I just want to see New York on top. I just want to see New York. The people who say that it may now listen. As a Jet fan who sits here 15 years removed from my team's last playoff appearance, I will have a team I'm rooting for in the playoffs, because naturally, that happens. Certainly won't be the Patriots or the Bills, but, you know, I'll pick. I love Rogers. So if the Steelers make the playoffs, I'll root for Pittsburgh to win. Or if, you know, I'm a Lamar guy. If the Ravens make the playoffs, I'll root for them, but it's not like I'm sitting here, you know, in the AFC championship game in 2010. Like, I like the Steelers and the Jets. It's just. It's so ridiculous.

[Rosenberg]

You got to pick a side. And again, typically for me, same thing as a Jet fan. It's whoever's playing Those teams we despise. Right? Like I'm now the biggest Patriot hater again. Feels like old times. Sickening. And then the Buffalo Bills, who's ever playing them. That's why on that same point, when there were some Jet fans saying, I'm sick of the Chiefs, I don't want to see Mahomes. I don't want Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift to be on my screen, I'm rooting for the Bills. What? You could say whatever you want about the New York Jets. They stink. We know the one thing they have over the Buffalo Bills is that the jets have won a Super Bowl. Buffalo hasn't. Don't give them a chance to be one win away from potentially winning that first Super Bowl.

[Ty Butler]

So I thought Rosenberg said that last year he was so sick of the Chiefs as a Commanders fan, was rooting for the Eagles in the Super Bowl.

[Rosenberg]

I remember when that happened and I wanted to hit this. Then. Fraud.

[Ty Butler]

You can't do it, but you just resurface something that I had thought about a couple weeks ago. You just resurfaced something that I had a couple weeks ago, and that is worse. One of my biggest fears. Bills page Pats AFC Championship game. Where do you. Where do you go? So I think the logic there is you root for whoever you think has a. A smaller chance to win the Super Bowl.

[Rosenberg]

I agree with that. Whichever team is less likely to actually.

[Ty Butler]

Win the super bowl, then that's who you root for.

[Rosenberg]

The sickening situation.

[Ty Butler]

Either way, I mean, like, what do you. I just don't know what I do in that situation. All right, let's go to Evan and Long Island, 800-919-3776 if you want to submit some fraudulent behavior that we can weigh in and on. What's up, Evan? Yes.

[Uncle Evan]

Hey, guys. Great show. You guys are doing a great job.

[Rosenberg]

Thanks, man.

[Uncle Evan]

So my fraud alert Friday is Chat GPT.

[Rosenberg]

Now.

[Uncle Evan]

I am Jake's uncle.

[Rosenberg]

I know. I recognize a little bit.

[Ty Butler]

Excuse me.

[Rosenberg]

I knew I recognized the voice. Uncle Evan.

[Uncle Evan]

We dabble quite often in some wagering. Now Jacob has decided that he's going to use Chat GPT to decide who our winners are going to be. And it's cost me a ton of money, so I'm calling Chat GPT out as a fraud.

[Ty Butler]

There you go. This is you.

[Rosenberg]

It's a. I'm not going to call myself a fraud, so. But I am a fair judge. I'm too close to the situation. So I got to. What's the word? Recruit. Recruse myself from it recuse.

[Ty Butler]

Recruit.

[Rosenberg]

Yeah, that word. I can't pronounce it, so I'm going to hand you the gall.

[Ty Butler]

Yes, I'm going to. I'm going to say you're a fraud.

[Rosenberg]

You're an arbiter. Now, to be fair, Uncle Evan did not mention this. That Chad GPT is only part of it. I take all the research we get from the ESPN research portal, all the info on all the games, and I asked Chad.

[Uncle Evan]

Oh, I didn't want to call you out on that. I didn't want to give you secrets.

[Rosenberg]

It's a good secret. I say, hey, take the ESPN research data here. Who should we bet on? Pittsburgh plus three or Ravens plus three or minus three? Like that's what I would ask ChatGPT. It'd spit out a breakdown and who we should bet on. And yeah, we certainly have lost some money doing that, but there's been some hits along the way.

[Ty Butler]

Now, Uncle Evan, I don't want to cross family lines or appear to be disrespectful, but how do you feel that your nephew's an ass man?

[Uncle Evan]

Well, my wife was an ass man until she married Wagner, but his father's still an ass man. He's definitely the biggest ass of them all.

[Rosenberg]

They work together, too.

[Ty Butler]

Wow.

[Rosenberg]

Tough.

[Ty Butler]

How do you feel hearing that? Is that not, like, nasty?

[Rosenberg]

Well, I know where he's coming from. I understand he's got to deal with my dad's, like, indigestion every day around lunchtime, so. I get it.

[Ty Butler]

Oh, man, that was a good one. Can I submit? Actually, do you have one?

[Rosenberg]

No, go ahead.

[Ty Butler]

Lane Kiffin, Fraud. Who? Apparent. Oh, you're ready.

[Rosenberg]

I'm ready to hit this.

[Ty Butler]

They forgot the verdict.

[Rosenberg]

I'll give him a fair.

[Ty Butler]

Apparently wanted to attend the game yesterday, but decided, I guess he went to an LSU women's basketball game, which. Good for him. Why do you want to attend this game? The idea that you care so much about these players, that you're rooting for them, that you want to be in attendance for this game is such fraudulent bs, my man. You dipped on them. And by the way, I'm hoping they win the championship because nothing would be. Nothing would have this story end on a more perfect note than that. Him deciding, you know what. What's best. Which, by the way, you can do that. I. I play. I'm a player empowerment guy. You're a coach and you feel like this is a better situation for you. Cool. I just don't like how he handled the whole thing. It was just Phony. And like, it was a distraction. You're doing it right before the playoffs. Everything about it was grimy. You dipped on them. You dipped on them. You cannot convince me that Lane Kiffin wants to be in attendance because he, you know, he's poured his heart and soul into the program. You know what Lane Kiffin wants? More TV time. He wants to be the center of this story. He wants to be, you know, I'm out in front and. And he is going. If they win the championship, he's going to take credit for it. So fraud or not, fraud, fraud, fraud.

[Rosenberg]

Again, Lane Kiffin is all about Lane Kiffin. And we've seen this in all his stops. Everywhere he's been a coach, whether it be with the Raiders, way back, Tennessee, us, this is what he does. No one can deny he's a really good coach. The proof is in the pudding. That's why LSU wanted him so badly. Fraud, fraud, fraud, fraud. Come on. You want the fact that he even thought it was acceptable to ask ESPN if he could be in the booth for part of the game last night?

[Ty Butler]

My man, the delusion.

[Rosenberg]

Right again. You have every right to leave. I understand that it's a crappy situation, that the system is set up that with the portal and transfers and recruits, you gotta leave before the playoff run is completed. I get all that. But to think that, one, you should be there, and two, ask to be in the booth so you could chop it up about your time at Ole Miss as you're promoting the LSU program on the broadcast watched by, you know, 10, 15, however many millions of people are tuned in last night. Just asinine.

[Ty Butler]

Such a fraud, man. Just late entry to fraud alert. Draymond Green about Christmas. Well, not just complaining about Christmas.

[Rosenberg]

Having a play on Christmas. I think he's a fan of the holiday.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, Draymond Green.

[Rosenberg]

I think he hates Christmas. He doesn't like having to play basketball on it.

[Ty Butler]

I guess Draymond is just not allowed to play if Steph Curry's not in the lineup. So. Steph Curry's out with an ankle injury tonight. Guess who's resting? Draymond Green.

[Rosenberg]

That's his benky.

[Ty Butler]

It's the funniest thing ever. Like, has Dre. When's the last. Submit this to me. The last time Draymond played a game that Steph Curry. And he actually. He actually said, this is so funny. That year, was it 2021? Was it 29th? 2020. I don't remember the year when Steph broke his hand. He said, you know, that was a year where basketball just wasn't that fun anymore. It's like Draymond, come on, dog.

[Rosenberg]

Hey, he knows. He knows what to say to get paid, right? He knows. He knows where, you know, the moneymaker is, who that guy is. I mean, I personally can't stand Draymond. So.

[Ty Butler]

Yes. Thank you so much. Fraud Alert Friday brought to you by D' Agostino Law. 35 years of getting accident victims and Social Security disability clients every dollar they deserve. Offices in New York and New Jersey. 1-800- Bite back. 1-800-248-3222, D' Agostino Law. Bite back.

[Rosenberg]

And to answer your question, last game without Steph Curry was this year, 12 against the Sixers. But he only played nine minutes.

[Ty Butler]

Was that the game where he just got hurt? Something happened and I remember that. I think he walked back to the locker room because he appeared to have some injury or. Oh, no, he got ejected in that game. He got ejected in that game. I remember.

[Rosenberg]

Okay. I was thinking that was probably the one he walked off the bench. But that was. I think that might have been a home game against.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, Steph played in that game.

[Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Ty Butler]

I think Draymond got ejected in that Sixers game. 800-919-3776. We will talk some basketball. Get to the Knicks. Eli Manning hall of Fame conversation. I'm curious about your thoughts because I've got a take just lingering there that people are going to get upset about, but we'll see what happens. 800-919-3776. Going till 7:00'. Clock. Ty Butler, Jake as here on ESPN New York and streaming live on YouTube.

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[Don Hahn]

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[Tony]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

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[Ty Butler]

Jacob, come on now. I don't know if we listen to Nicki Minaj yet. Game time. Brought to you by Tullamore Dew Irish Whiskey. Because when it's game time.

[Tony]

It's Tony time.

[Ty Butler]

You think Nicki Minaj listens to the station? No.

[Rosenberg]

No, I don't think so. She's probably listening to. You know what? I was gonna make a Stefon Diggs joke. Oh, but that's Cardi B. I got the wrong rapper. Yeah, I'll leave that to you.

[Ty Butler]

The Barbs had the Barbs.

[Jake Asman]

She was a big Francesca guy.

[Ty Butler]

I heard. What? That would make sense. Barb's coming at me on. On Twitter. I was in Nicki's mentions. Just not happy. Y' all was a big Nicki fan.

[Rosenberg]

I don't think that's where you want to be.

[Ty Butler]

She started hanging with the wrong people. The Knicks host the Hawks with coverage immediately following us on 880 at 7. The Rangers. Anthony, as I said, going to be locked in. Rangers Panthers Winter classic coverage on 1050. Now Anthony, are you going to be listening to 1050 because you're a big, you know, supporter of the station. Of course, company guy listening to 1050. So you'll be locked in with Anthony pusick starting at 7:30. Then you've got the Nets and the Wizards excited about that. Nets Wizards tonight?

[Rosenberg]

Absolutely not.

[Ty Butler]

More excited about the Knicks Hawks, nets Wizards at 7. Tullamore du the original triple distilled, triple blended and triple cast matured Irish whiskey. Be sure to grab a Tullamore Due. Try the new Tullamore due honey. During today's action, glasses up to enjoy and tell them or do responsibly.

[Rosenberg]

I feel like it's appropriate to use this term since I'm filling in on his show right now. My favorite Don legreca line is when he says, you know, this was going on in my backyard, I'd close the blinds. If Nets Wizards was being played in my backyard, I would close the blinds, man.

[Ty Butler]

Cam Thompson. Cam Thomas. No love.

[Rosenberg]

I'm watching the Knicks. I'm honestly going to check out the Rangers. He won't be playing tonight, so that's another reason not to sitting tonight.

[Ty Butler]

Yep. Oh, that's not, that's not.

[Rosenberg]

No Cam Thomas, no Michael Porter Jr. Yeah, I'm good then.

[Ty Butler]

Well, you better hope your, your Knicks are really good because those picks are going to the Nets.

[Rosenberg]

I'm so concerned.

[Ty Butler]

Oh, sticking your chest up.

[Rosenberg]

I mean again, when they made the Bridges deal, there were a ton of Net fans. Not a ton, but you know the, the one, the ones you see.

[Ty Butler]

Here's your. They're on a lot of Netflix.

[Rosenberg]

We got it. We got a. It's, it's, it's required if you're a Nick fan. But what am I worried about if the Knicks win? If the Knicks get to A Finals. I'm not even asking for a championship. They get to the Finals this year. To me, the Bridges deal was worth it.

[Ty Butler]

I think that this iteration of the Knicks Wednesday championship, I think they could.

[Rosenberg]

Get to an NBA Finals and I'll take my shot. Do I think the Thunder are better than them? Yes. Do I think you can make a case there's other teams in the west better than the Knicks? Sure. But this team, if they got there, but the depth they have if healthy, I think they have a legitimate chance.

[Ty Butler]

Your Honor, can I rephrase the question so that the defendant answers said question? Your Honor, yes, you can. Okay. Do you think this iteration of the Knicks team, not this year, just this iteration in this window, wins a championship?

[Rosenberg]

Do I think so?

[Ty Butler]

Yeah.

[Rosenberg]

I'll be positive. Because everyone says I'm too negative about the Jets. Yes, I do.

[Ty Butler]

So on record, the Knicks, this Knicks team, maybe not this year or next year or the year after, will win a champion.

[Rosenberg]

How about this? With Jalen Brunson on the Knicks, they will win a title.

[Ty Butler]

I love that confidence. Love it.

[Rosenberg]

So one team I have right now, Raspberry Yankees, signed the MVP of the the Mexican League, though. So they're making big moves this offseason.

[Ty Butler]

Brian Cash does. Brian Cashman. No. Free agency started.

[Rosenberg]

Apparently. They made an offer to Cody Bellinger.

[Ty Butler]

Yeah, that's. That's good. Well, he does because Trent Grisham retained him. And you know what they say, when you retain Trent Grisham, it's on. It's on. And popping the Rascal Flats. Life is a Highway Tour coming to ubs arena on Jan. 29 and the Prudential center on Jan. 30. Are you more of a UBS guy or a Prudential Center?

[Rosenberg]

Oh, I mean, I'm a big Islander fan. UBS arena is the place to be.

[Ty Butler]

Love it. ESPN New York has your chance to score tickets to the venue of your choice on the ESPN New York app. Just scroll down the contest. Submit your entry. Brought to you by Live Nation Tickets, on sale [e-mail] all right, so let's take a break. We come back, I've got some thoughts. And you know, this conversation had been happening all week, but wanted to further elaborate on the Eli Manning hall of Fame candidacy commentary. So we'll get to that. We will talk about the New York Knicks as well. Circle back to the Jets. I'm sure you're excited to talk some jets. 800-919-3776. Ty Butler, Jake Asmond. Going till 7:00. We're streaming live on YouTube and you're listening to us on the ESPN New York app.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Rosenberg]

I don't want to know how the.

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[Rosenberg]

I just want to know it's good.

[Don Hahn]

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