Hour 2: Judge v Jeter?

Summary

Podcast Summary: Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Episode: Hour 2: Judge v Jeter?

Release Date: June 10, 2025
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg
Title: Judge v Jeter?

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Overview

In this compelling episode of the "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" podcast, hosts Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, and Peter Rosenberg delve deep into one of baseball's most debated topics: comparing Yankees legends Aaron Judge and Derek Jeter. The discussion spans statistical analyses, Hall of Fame considerations, and the broader impact each player has had on the New York Yankees franchise.

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1. Setting the Stage: Baseball's Mid-Season Landscape (00:29 – 01:44)

Don Hahn opens the conversation by providing an update on the current baseball season, mentioning key team performances:

• Don Hahn: "Mets lead in the division is four. Yankees four and a half. So got a couple of first place teams here." (00:29)

He highlights the Mets' struggles and the Yankees' position as the season progresses towards summer, setting the context for the deeper discussion on Judge and Jeter.

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2. Aaron Judge's Stellar Performance and Comparisons to Legends (01:44 – 08:58)

The core of the episode centers around Aaron Judge's impressive statistics and his place among the Yankees' all-time greats. Don Hahn emphasizes Judge's remarkable numbers:

• Don Hahn: "These are Mickey Mantle numbers, man. These are Garrick numbers." (08:58)

Peter Rosenberg and Alan Hahn engage in analyzing Judge's stats compared to Derek Jeter, debating whether Judge's current performance warrants his inclusion in the Yankees' Mount Rushmore.

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3. Statistical Breakdown: WAR, Batting Average, and OPS (04:26 – 07:22)

The hosts delve into a detailed statistical comparison between Judge and Jeter:

• Peter Rosenberg: "Jeter's WAR is 71.3. Judge's WAR is 57.8." (04:57)

• Don Hahn: "Judge's career batting average is .295 compared to Jeter’s .310." (05:35)

The discussion highlights that while Jeter boasts a higher batting average over a longer career, Judge's offensive contributions, particularly in OPS (On-base Plus Slugging), surpass Jeter's:

• Peter Rosenberg: "OPS for Judge is 1.026 compared to Jeter's .817." (05:57)

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4. Defensive Prowess and Gold Gloves Debate (06:11 – 07:43)

Defense is another key area of comparison. While Jeter was renowned for his clutch plays and leadership, Judge's defensive skills, especially his powerful arm, are lauded:

• Don Hahn: "Judge is probably a better right fielder than Jeter was a shortstop." (06:12)

• Alan Hahn: "Five Gold Gloves at shortstop versus zero at right field, but five Gold Gloves at shortstop in an era where shortstop was like the premier position." (07:19)

The hosts discuss the subjective nature of defensive awards and how they impact the legacy of each player.

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5. Hall of Fame Considerations and Legacy (08:58 – 16:05)

A significant portion of the discussion revolves around the Hall of Fame prospects for both players. Don Hahn argues that Aaron Judge's numbers are on par with some of baseball's all-time greats, suggesting a deserving Hall of Fame future:

• Don Hahn: "If he continues to play the next three, four years at this level, he is gonna be right up there as one of, if not the greatest Yankees of all time." (22:18)

In contrast, the conversation touches upon Derek Jeter's intangible contributions, such as leadership and memorable postseason performances, which have cemented his legacy despite not always leading in traditional statistics.

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6. Championships and Team Impact (16:05 – 22:18)

The hosts examine the importance of championships in evaluating a player's legacy. Don Hahn points out that while Jeter has multiple World Series rings, Judge has yet to secure a championship, which influences public perception and legacy considerations:

• Peter Rosenberg: "He still has to win one, Don. He's got to win one. Otherwise he's done." (13:30)

Alan Hahn and Peter Rosenberg discuss how the changing landscape of baseball—with increased parity and more teams vying for titles—makes winning championships more challenging today compared to Jeter's era.

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7. Building a Championship-Team for Judge (22:18 – 38:56)

Peter Rosenberg emphasizes the responsibility of the Yankees' management to construct a team capable of winning championships to complement Judge's individual brilliance:

• Peter Rosenberg: "He's got to have one. We're not saying you got to win multiple. But he's got to have one." (18:16)

Don Hahn agrees, highlighting that organizational support is crucial for Judge to achieve the necessary team success that elevates his legacy to match his statistical achievements.

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8. Caller Interaction and Broader Perspectives (43:30 – 50:04)

A listener, Matt from New Jersey, calls in to support Judge's case, arguing against the necessity of multiple championships for legacy comparison. The hosts engage with Matt, reinforcing the episode's core arguments about individual performance versus team success.

• Caller Matt: "Judge took the 2022 team to the playoffs on his own. He carried us the 62 home run year." (44:39)

Don Hahn and Peter Rosenberg reiterate the points about the evolving standards of excellence and the importance of not holding current players to outdated benchmarks.

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9. Concluding Insights and Final Thoughts (50:04 – 51:00)

As the episode wraps up, the hosts summarize their stance that Aaron Judge's individual performance justifies his consideration as one of the Yankees' all-time greats, contingent on future team success and championships.

• Don Hahn: "He is gonna be right up there as one of, if not the greatest Yankees of all time." (22:18)

The episode concludes with a consensus that while championships significantly impact legacy, Judge's extraordinary numbers and potential for future success position him favorably in the annals of Yankees history.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Don Hahn (00:29): "Mets lead in the division is four. Yankees four and a half. So got a couple of first place teams here."

• Don Hahn (08:58): "These are Mickey Mantle numbers, man. These are Garrick numbers."

• Peter Rosenberg (04:57): "Jeter's WAR is 71.3. Judge's WAR is 57.8."

• Peter Rosenberg (05:57): "OPS for Judge is 1.026 compared to Jeter's .817."

• Don Hahn (22:18): "If he continues to play the next three, four years at this level, he is gonna be right up there as one of, if not the greatest Yankees of all time."

• Peter Rosenberg (18:16): "He's got to have one. We're not saying you got to win multiple. But he's got to have one."

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Conclusion

This episode of "Don, Hahn & Rosenberg" provides an in-depth and thought-provoking analysis of Aaron Judge's place in Yankees history compared to Derek Jeter. Through statistical comparisons, discussions on championships, and listener interactions, the hosts present a balanced view that underscores the complexities of evaluating a player's legacy in modern baseball.

For fans and newcomers alike, this episode offers valuable insights into what defines greatness in baseball and how current players are shaping their legacies in the ever-evolving landscape of the sport.

Transcript

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Don Hahn]

402 in the big city. Looks like the rain stopped. So I think everything's cool for baseball tonight. Mets, Nationals, Yankees are in Kansas City to take on the Royals as baseball's beginning to heat up. Mets almost caught a break last night. Cubs had a lead late against the Phillies, went into extra innings. Phillies ended up winning on a walk off. So the Mets, Phillies kind of getting out of it. They lost eight of their last nine. So the Mets lead in the division is four. Yankees four and a half. So got a couple of first place teams here. As we get deeper into June, doesn't feel like it's, you know, summer's on the horizon, but it's getting close. So we talked yesterday about like Judge has just been unconscious. You almost take it for granted, right? Like watching that game on Sunday because the game was pretty much out of hand and Judge hit the home run to make it 11 7. But it just kind of gave them something to talk about. Like the history that Judge is putting up numbers that are just unconscious and the assumption is he's doing it clean. Now we saw Barry Bonds and you remember Barry back in the day was, you know, Buck Showalter walking in with the bases loaded with a two run league. But now we look back and go, all right, it was compromised. This doesn't seem to be the case. I mean, he is in that kind of conversation.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We need to take that completely out of it because it's not like this is a Brady Anderson type peak. This is like he's been doing this for years now and you know, they test, they catch everyone. No, I'm saying I wouldn't say assume he's clean. We know he's clean.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, exactly. I'm nobody's. Nobody's. So the point is, is that Bonds and a rod who put up similar numbers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

Are obviously compromised in the history of baseball, no matter how you feel about pds and they should be in the hall of Fame and all that. But you'd be foolish to say it didn't help.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

That's why Ken Griffey Jr. Is held to a high esteem because, you know, I think we could say assumption there because the testing was a little bit different, that Ken Griffey Jr. Was not using PDS. But I'm bringing this back because DNR D. Pietro and Rothenberg asked Buster only today this question about who's better, Jeter or Judge. The fans always go crazy when we bring this up, hear it and even Michael, we didn't ask Michael when we had him on last week. I wonder if he's finally changed his mind. Said, no. I still take Jeter because of post season and everything. Well, here's what Buster, who knows his baseball and knows his Yankees too, said when he was talking about Judge versus.

[Dave Rothenberg]

Cheater, where he is right now, Derek was not close to that at any point. And I'm not saying, you know, Derek as a postseason player clearly was at a different level than where Judge has been to date. You know, maybe that'll change, but in terms of impact, it's not close. Like Judge and what he's doing on the field is something that, you know, Jeter was never going to be someone with 30 home runs. I remember asking Darryl Strawberry early in Jeter's career, you know, do you think that the Jeter will ever increase his power, be the guy who can get to 30, 35 home runs? And Darrell dismissed it, like, right away, said, no, he swings too much. You know, he just looks to put the ball in play, hit it the opposite field. Judge, with the power that he has, extraordinary. He's a better defender than Derek was. You know, Derek was a better baserunner. I think the Judge just simply because he was faster. But overall at his peak, I don't think they're close to the point that, you know, I do think that we're going to be able to have this conversation about where Judges places on the Mount Rushmore of Yankee players.

[Don Hahn]

And I'm glad he said that because to me, and I don't know how you guys feel about this statement like Jeter, that's not even a conversation to me. It's not even a conversation like, why are you picking Jeter? In the history of the New York Yankees, you're picking Jeter because you love Jeter. You saw Jeter play, and Jeter won four championships in five years. I get the love affair with Jerry most recent also, and he's so clutch, and it's recency bias and all that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

But to me, these Judge numbers, I'm sorry, you got to bring up. You got to be bringing up the greatest to ever play for the Yankees. I'm serious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, who's the greatest ever play? Who's the greatest player?

[Don Hahn]

It's. It's Ruth because he was, he was an elite pitcher when he was in Boston, came to the Yankees. He's hitting home. More home runs than teams hit home runs. It's Ruth.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want to do Manta. You don't want to do demonstrator.

[Don Hahn]

But let's, let's, let's go. Let's bring.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll give you the. Here's the Jeter. If you just want to do Jeter for now. Now, Jeter played 20 seasons, right? Right.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a lot of seasons.

[Peter Rosenberg]

His war 71.3. Okay. Judges played half the seasons, right. 10. His war is 57.8.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah. So he's on pace.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, he's gonna blow right by him. What else do you want? What are you looking for? Because I know that average doesn't matter anymore and all that stuff. We know the home runs aren't going to be close. Right? What, what are you feeling like is the important number.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, because he's not a home.

[Alan Hahn]

There is no one important.

[Don Hahn]

Let's look at that ops. Let's look at that. Let's look at batting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Want to do batting average. Okay. Career batting average for Jeter.

[Alan Hahn]

Batting average, what is this? Throwback?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Career batting average for Jeter is.310. For Judge, his career is.295.

[Alan Hahn]

Though after this year, we'll see.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, again, it's only 10 years versus 20. So over 20 years.

[Don Hahn]

How about ops?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ops for judge is 1026.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Jeter ops is.817.

[Don Hahn]

Again, not a home run hitter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So they're, they're two different types of players.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Slugging numbers aren't even close, so I won't even.

[Don Hahn]

And I would say Judges probably a better right field fielder than. Than Jeter was a shortstop. It's hard because shortstop's a lot harder to play than right field. But he's got a gun for an arm.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't know.

[Don Hahn]

Tremendous range.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm not going. I'm not going.

[Don Hahn]

All that anybody ever talked about. Maybe it was out of jealousy. But when, whenever they would say, like most overrated players, players would say it's Derek Jeter. And they would say defensively he was overrated.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

He caught everything that was hit to him. Didn't have a ton of range. Range.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Don Hahn]

So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And they felt the jump throw was the reason why everybody got so excited about him.

[Alan Hahn]

You don't want to rewrite history, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I think he Was a very good fielder. Fine. Fine. Field.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. But I'd say above fine. And it's shortstop, Don versus right field.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Five Gold Gloves.

[Don Hahn]

Right. And judge.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's the more subjective part.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Judge doesn't have any. Hasn't gotten one.

[Don Hahn]

No. Which is odd.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, five Gold Gloves at shortstop versus zero at right field, but five Gold.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gloves at shortstop in an era where shortstop was like the premier position.

[Alan Hahn]

That's my point. It. Basically, what I'm saying is, respectfully, I'm not saying it ruins your eyeball test, but it says Don's wrong. It says.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It says Jeter's the better fielder. Was an excellent.

[Don Hahn]

The thing with outfield Gold Gloves, how many Gold Gloves did Bernie win? Bernie was not a great outfielder.

[Alan Hahn]

And he got up.

[Don Hahn]

He got a bunch, and he got a bunch. So.

[Alan Hahn]

But who was he up against at that exact time?

[Don Hahn]

Just take a look at that arm. I mean, you're awestruck by his arm.

[Alan Hahn]

But how often. You know, can I just add this?

[Don Hahn]

That's the problem with how often.

[Alan Hahn]

How often is that big arm and right field changing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many Gold Gloves you think Bernie won? He has one.

[Don Hahn]

I think three.

[Alan Hahn]

That's what I was going to say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Four.

[Don Hahn]

And I don't think he was ever a great center fielder, but you just hit the nail on the head. Shortstop turning double plays a lot. Happens all day every year. Judge may, in a given season, throw out five guys on the base paths.

[Alan Hahn]

But he does impact game and hold.

[Don Hahn]

Runners and do different things because he's one of the best arms I've ever seen. The best arm I ever saw was Bo Jack. Well, first it was Strawberry and then Bo Jackson, and then the Judge is right there. It's a huge army. But my point is, is that I understand he hasn't won yet. I get it. I think he will eventually win. And he hasn't been great in the postseason. And you look at Derek's numbers, you know, he actually played a full season in the playoffs, and his numbers are outstanding because that's how good he was. That's how clutch he was. But I'm just looking at these numbers the Judge is putting up here. These are Mickey Mantle numbers, man. These are. These are Garrick numbers. These are numbers.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why I asked.

[Don Hahn]

And Ruth and Garrick, listen, you got a lot. You got to draw a line somewhere. We joked about it yesterday. We're talking. We're coming on the 100th anniversary of the 27 Yankees. All right? The game was way different back in the 20s, where it wasn't as open to everybody. African American players weren't allowed to play. So he wasn't going up against the best players and all that. Now Mickey did to a certain extent, right? Certainly throughout his career he was able to play with the best of the best compared to Ruth and Garrett, but he's putting up Mickey Mann. Mickey Mantle is a God and judges in that category. And I'm telling you, if Mickey Mantle played today with the wild card and the 162 game schedule and the divisional play and the different rounds you'd have to go through, would not have the rings. He would have, you know, for most for his career he played in an eight team league in which the Yankees were dominant because they had all great players. Pre draft people before the draft, you were able to just grab any player you wanted. And the Yankees had a lot of money. I'm not saying they bought their championships, but it was, you know, it was a lot easier to gather players. You were the New York Yankees. You're able to get players, you know, get Joe DiMaggio from San Francisco to bring him here. Not a lot of teams were able to do that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Mantle's a really good computer. Mandel's a really good cover.

[Don Hahn]

But we're comparing to Mickey Mantle. So no offense, Derek Jeter, but when we moved on the mantle, okay, 18.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Seasons, his WAR is 110.2.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So judge in 10 seasons, more than about halfway there, right in the WAR category. But you talk about batting average.298 career batting average, right? The slugging is. But still just. He's insane. I mean his slugging is 650 for his career.

[Alan Hahn]

Listen, listen, can we, I wish we could all just come to this conclusion.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's not close either. Mansell's now OPS is under one.

[Alan Hahn]

Let's just get to this legitimate conclusion. If you base it on championships and sort of your leadership style and just believing that Jeter was the man and it was his vibe that that kind of made the Core 4 Go, then okay, Judge is never going to meet that. He's never winning enough championships for that to happen. I get it. But Aaron Judge is a better ballplayer. That's it. Why can't people have those two thoughts in their head? And if you were going to play a pickup game real quick and we were all lining up to pick people, the smart captain, pun intended, is picking Aaron Judge first.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Here's how you settle it. Alex Rodriguez was a better baseball player than Jeter.

[Alan Hahn]

Than Jeter, Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean that's not even a debate.

[Don Hahn]

Right, right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But who you want on your team.

[Don Hahn]

Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because it's not just about having the best players, it's about having win.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a total package.

[Don Hahn]

But I'm telling you, Jeter, the best.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Compliment of Derek Jeter is that he is. He's one of the great winners in the history of sports. He just knew how to win and.

[Alan Hahn]

He did everything right.

[Don Hahn]

Right. If you're somebody, it's so difficult because they didn't play at the same time. Right. So Jeter retired, you know, 10 years ago, 11 years ago, before. Just a couple years before Judge, you know, made his debut. So they're not contemporaries. But if you. If I have grandkids, all right, if I live long enough to have grandkids and they start getting into baseball and they start looking at the history of baseball, they're gonna ask me, did I see Judge play before? They're gonna ask if I saw Jeter play.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When it's all said and done.

[Don Hahn]

When it's all said and done. Because the thing with Jeter, Peter's right, you can't quantify it. It's mystical. Like, he was clutch. He won championships, but he wasn't a home run hitter. He made great plays. The diving play into the stands when he broke open his head, like, that's a play that lives forever. The play against Oakland, the flip play, that's a play that lives forever. There's certain place. The home run for his 3,000th hit, Insane. The game winning, arbitrary for his last hit. Like, there's certain moments, but as far as the jaw dropping, oh, my God. Like when I think back to City Slickers, when Billy Crystal's on the horse and he's telling the story of his first game of the Yankees and Mickey hit a home run. Like, that's what I think Judge is going to be to a generation of fans is that I was there when he hit that 500 foot home run. I was there when he broke the record.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like, he still has to win one, Don. He's got to win one. Otherwise he's done Mattingly.

[Don Hahn]

I understand it, but. But there's.

[Alan Hahn]

I know it's better than Mattingly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, but I'm not saying they're the same player. What I'm saying is, unfortunately, though, you're a Yankee and you're not in the club if you don't have a ring. It's just a real thing.

[Don Hahn]

No, I get it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And what made Mantle legendary was not only was he a great player, but he always freaking Won.

[Don Hahn]

But, but, you know, because what I'm telling Yankee fans is because it's the Yankees and they've got all these championships, but I'm telling you, it's really difficult to win a title, all right? Jeter wouldn't win four championships in five years. Now where you've got all these billionaires in small markets and money's flying all over the place and now multiple teams can win. Parity has struck this sport hard. There was no parody when Jeter played was either the Yankees, the Red Sox, a handful of teams that were competing for a championship. Okay? It's a different world. Just like it was a different world for DiMaggio and Mantle and Garrick and Ruth because there was only a handful of teams. Only a handful of teams. Even less teams won. Now it's really difficult to win. But you don't think they whisper Willie Mays name in San Francisco? They do. And you know how many championships he won in San Francisco?

[Alan Hahn]

Zero.

[Don Hahn]

Like, don't begrudge greatness. Now if you want to hold Jeter in a higher regard, do it. It makes sense because he's gotten you titles. But I'm just saying don't begrudge what you're watching here because it's special. Man.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're going to hate me for this. The Giants and the Yankees is not comparable. It's different. Like playing for the Celtics.

[Don Hahn]

But no, I'm telling you, they know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They. It's the same as the Celtics. Jason Tatum was, He's, he's one of their all time greats. His numbers. He did things two years ago, all this stuff. You know this, Peter. And yet it doesn't matter. And Pierce said it too. Until you hang a banner, okay? Doesn't matter. Everything you did doesn't matter because you did. You, you got to put a banner up to be in the club.

[Don Hahn]

Okay?

[Alan Hahn]

With Judge, it just doesn't change who's a better ball player.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're not talking about that anymore. Anymore.

[Don Hahn]

But it's still in terms of the.

[Alan Hahn]

Memory and the fans to be, to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Be that guy, to be considered the greatest player in the franchise's history, which he has. You can make the argument, you could build the argument, but it won't matter. The people won't accept it.

[Alan Hahn]

Don, you don't fight that, do you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Until he has the plaque.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying that now I can't defend the fact that he hasn't hit in the postseason. Okay? And he dropped the fly ball against the Dodgers. But can we at least acknowledge that when Jeter won four championships in five years and five champions overall. But I won't even count 2009 because the landscape started to change, that it was a lot easier to win because there were haves and have nots. There were literal small market teams that were minor league systems for the big market.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Royals. Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

All right. And you go back to, you know, even during the old time with Ruth and Garrick and DiMaggio, all those guys again, they played in an eight team league and all you had to do was win one series to be the champion. Okay? Yep, that was it. One best of seven series and you won it all. There was no wild card, there was no divisional round. There was no league championship series. It was right to the World Series. So if we acknowledge that it was easier for those guys to win, then why is Judge being held to a standard when it's way harder now to win? Where's the dynasties in baseball where over the last 20 years the last repeat champion were the Yankees in 99 and 2000. The Dodgers, supposed to be the big bad Dodgers with all the money. They got a Covid title in 2020 and they finally won a title this year. Otherwise you got to go back to 1988, the last time the Dodgers won.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I agree.

[Don Hahn]

You go from the Texas Rangers winning the title under.500 the next year. They're barely a 500 team this year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And that's your Giants, your Giants every other year. But in between, they suck. The Red Sox, you know, they won a bunch, but they want spread out.

[Don Hahn]

So he's never going to win four titles. He's never going to have as many rings.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you want to get four ring, he's done. He's got to win one, okay? He's got to have one. Then he's in the club and then everything else now can be piled up. But until he gets the one. And by the way, he's not a passenger. He actually does something. Even if it's like a rod no. 9 where you had one series where you were just like by far the best player in the series. Just you gotta have that to get into that elite company of this franchise. If Aaron Judge played for any other franchise, any other franchise, he could be their all time great without a tie.

[Don Hahn]

He can't. I get it. But I'm just saying is, is that there's been a lot of Yankees that haven't won in the last 25 years. They've got one title, so they're not the Yankees anymore. Like if, if Judge played for the Yankees but we're not talking about any.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of them as the greatest ever. But ever is A. That's 100 years.

[Don Hahn]

I get it. But you make you. You're saying the Yankees are different. What I'm trying to tell you is their history is different. But in the now they've got as much a chance as anybody else to win a title. So you're holding them to a standard that doesn't exist anymore, Alan.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no.

[Don Hahn]

They've won one title in 25 years.

[Peter Rosenberg]

When you are again. Cuz all this stuff by the way, is superficial what we're doing. Cuz it's only decided by fans, right? It's how the fans regard you. Because we make the case with the numbers. We've already done that. So factually, he's on the Mount Rushmore when his career ends. It's been 10 years. Factually, he's one of the great all time players Mount Rushmore. But I don't know, spiritually fans cannot put him there until he. He wins one. And it's just one. We're not saying you got to win multiple. There was a time multiple actually matter. But. You're right. But I just thought it's a real thing.

[Don Hahn]

Interesting that I think we keep coming back to the same argument that the Yankees are held to a standard that no longer exists. Would you say this Yankee team is even comparable to the 09 team or any of the teams that won the four time this current team? No. And were any team that Judge has been on since he got called up?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Um, no.

[Don Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No. 17. They were very young.

[Don Hahn]

Was Joe Tory a great manager? Hall of Fame manager? Well, Judge hasn't had that. I'm. I think Boone and Gerardi are really good managers. They're not hall of Fame managers.

[Alan Hahn]

Not as of now.

[Don Hahn]

Where are all of his great.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tory had a lot more control than these guys.

[Don Hahn]

Right? Where. Where they talk about the core four.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

You know, I guess you could say that Cole is Pettit. But who's the Bernie on this team? Right? Who's. I mean Bernie's not even part of the core four. Who's the Jorge Posada on this team?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, it's supposed to be.

[Don Hahn]

Who's the Mariano Rivera on this team? You know, who's the Tina Martin on this team?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Gary Sanchez, Greg Bird, all these dudes were supposed to be.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying.

[Alan Hahn]

But what they turn out to be.

[Don Hahn]

But Peter, all of a sudden it's well, Judge. And listen, Judge is not hitting the postseason. I'm not even going to front that. I know, but I'm just saying he hasn't won. Has he had anything? Any of the teammates that Jeter had? And again, Jeter was a machine in the postseason. So I get it. Jeter's way more clutch than Judge. But we're just talking about championships. You think Derek Jeter is winning a championship? How many championships would he have if Derek Jeter played shortstop on today's Yankees instead of Volpe, It's Jeter, but he wouldn't have dropped the fly ball. There's a lot more than just dropping the fly ball that cost him that series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I would trust. I would trust Jeter over Volpe in the series, last year's playoffs, of course.

[Alan Hahn]

But would it be enough?

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, it's another guy that can hit.

[Alan Hahn]

Though, enough to win a championship, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were that close.

[Don Hahn]

I know they were that close. They were that close.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They were in the world.

[Don Hahn]

But who's Tina Martinez? Who's even Scott Brocius? Who's Jorge Posada? Did they have a bench of Tim Reigns and Darryl Strawberry and Chili Davis?

[Alan Hahn]

They have a Mariana.

[Don Hahn]

Nobody ever had a Mariano. I'm just saying that those teams were stacked and Jeter was a major part of that. And now judges on a team that's not nearly as good as the long on one ring.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yet.

[Don Hahn]

Now I get it, he has not hit in the postseason, but it just. It's amazing that we're lumping him in. We won't compare him to the greats of the game. I'm telling you, he's going to end up being better. When this is all said and done, he's going to be right up there as one of, if not the greatest Yankees of all time. When you look at everything, the fact that he's been able to play against African American athletes, the fact that he's putting up numbers that Mickey Mantle put up yet, and he's still young. He's 33 years old. Now, obviously, if he. If, God forbid, he retired tomorrow, everything's off the table. But if he continues to play the next three, four years at this level, man, whether you like it or not, he is gonna be one of the greatest Yankees of all time. Ring or. Nah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Nope. Gotta win the ring. It's gonna stop him. Gotta win the ring. That's why he's gotta be obsessed with it. That's why if you're Brian Cashman and Hal Steinbrenner, you have to be obsessed. I got this guy who everything you're saying is right, like Think about it from that perspective. Doesn't that put even more onus on the very top of the organization to recognize what they have this commodity of a greatest of all time? I've got a goat in his prime on my roster. I should be doing whatever it takes to build a team that can win a championship so that I could say I did everything I could to help this guy win because he deserves it. He wears the pinstripes prouder than as proud as Derek Jeter ever wore them.

[Don Hahn]

Sure, but. So it's funny.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why not?

[Don Hahn]

If they do that and we can make. We can have a serious conversation whether they've done enough to do that and he puts up the same numbers, but the team is better and they win, now everybody gets off his back.

[Alan Hahn]

It's, it's, that's.

[Don Hahn]

I'm just saying I have no problem with you saying I'd rather have Derek Jeter in a big spot. I get it. It's like the Eli Peyton Manning situation where in a big spot, down four with a minute to go, ball your own 30. Maybe you'd rather have Eli than Peyton in that situation.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, but pain's better.

[Don Hahn]

But pain's better. Stop it.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

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[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's exactly right. It is time for talk about it. Let's talk about it.

[Don Hahn]

And we will get to the judge calls.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Don Hahn]

Might have to go to therapy.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, isn't it interesting though when it comes to the sort of attacks that are leveled against me by my supposed friends at the radio station, doesn't it always seem like guys, it goes beyond me. There's almost like it gets super personal family, really, really deep stuff. If you missed the beginning of the program, here's Dave Rothenberg.

[Don Hahn]

Cut him in trash. Gonna take grass out.

[Alan Hahn]

Gonna take Kay out. Because they're on their own.

[Don Hahn]

So us, Bart and Carlin DHR Mary.

[Alan Hahn]

Most attractive because Bart's a good looking guy.

[Don Hahn]

Barry great shape.

[Alan Hahn]

Allen's a good looking guy. I'll trash Bart and Carlin. I'll cuddle the afternoon show and I'll marry us. Yeah, I think that's right. I'll do the, the same.

[Don Hahn]

I mean, here's the thing.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean it's not like Don is George Clooney. Don at best is what I am physically at best on a good day. And Peter looks like there's a chance.

[Don Hahn]

That his, his parents are related. So.

[Alan Hahn]

No, I, I think the, the obvious answer has why?

[Don Hahn]

What?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How long were you holding on to that?

[Alan Hahn]

At least cut like some kind of a distant cousin.

[Don Hahn]

I don't want to be too truthful.

[Alan Hahn]

Because it's a very sensitive show. And you finish it off with Peter looks like his parents might be related. Is that wrong?

[Don Hahn]

It might be the most offensive thing you've ever said. Oh my goodness.

[Alan Hahn]

I didn't start this. Now it is interesting to note there that he did say and made very. Really emphasized it. Don on his best day is at my level. That's what he said.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, that's ridiculous. Because he doesn't tighten up the beard. And I, and I think I'm his neck. I think I'm more muscular than he is. I work out, he doesn't. And again, I've got a long way to go. I was a mess. But he doesn't work out. I know he diets, but he doesn't work out.

[Alan Hahn]

No.

[Don Hahn]

I think that if he came to a kickboxing class that I do every day, there'd have to be at least an ambulette. Something outside just in case. Like not a full blown.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You don't want the whole ambulance.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, not to mention just the ambulette. But you have to remember, you have to remember with, with, with Dave. I already did a physical competition with him sports. It was embarrassing and I beat him. Right? We already did. Like, that's the thing.

[Don Hahn]

Like, I almost take no pride.

[Alan Hahn]

When we have competition, he loses.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What'd you do?

[Don Hahn]

We did accuracy for football.

[Alan Hahn]

We did. We did football accuracy. Football receiving and basketball shooting.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

At the beach bash. Yeah, down when it was at the.

[Alan Hahn]

Tiki bar Martel, I think the basketball shooting. We did his house, didn't we?

[Don Hahn]

Do you see that? There was a picture that was at the old studio with Michael and I like lifting him up.

[Alan Hahn]

Lifting me up.

[Don Hahn]

Because that was after beating Dave.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, okay.

[Alan Hahn]

And now, and now real quick. When I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They played pickleball, though.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, I Know when I, when I, he teamed up with a professional athlete and won a round of pickleball now. And when I said the thing that I said about Dave and how he presents himself. Tell me that this shirt that is the front of, you know, like his official podcast photo. It looks like a company issued, you know, polo shirt.

[Don Hahn]

I didn't try and I know reached into the drawer Don legreco would get. This is the old Nancy would go shopping at like Caldor's get like non brand jeans polo shirt. I was the classic. My brother had actually took me aside. No, he, you know, it was my brother's first wife took me aside and said, you cannot wear white socks with black pants. I do that all the time. Wouldn't even think about it. Wouldn't even think about it.

[Alan Hahn]

What kind of black pants?

[Don Hahn]

Like black jeans, but white socks.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, were they visible?

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then black shoes. Serial killer.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's. What's, what's, what's the. I can't. Why am I vision on the name?

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Reeboks.

[Don Hahn]

No, the, the Michael Douglas vehicle.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Falling.

[Don Hahn]

Falling down. No, that's the look. That's exactly the look, Peter. All clothing was. It was. I was like a caveman. It just covered up my nudity. That's all. I didn't think about it.

[Alan Hahn]

There was no, you know, it is to not care.

[Don Hahn]

And you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So I'm taught, free T shirt. You wore it out until it had holes in it.

[Don Hahn]

Dave is better looking than Repug.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don.

[Don Hahn]

Yes, he. He's the way he is because he was repugnant. He didn't put. He's not putting any thought in now. It's worked out for him. He's got a beautiful wife, he's got a great job. It really hasn't hurt him at all. But these are all facts.

[Alan Hahn]

You know. You know what, I'll just say in closing, I tried to go look up images on Google of both myself and Dave Rothenberg. So I typed in our names and then you click images and you see what comes up.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And I think what may be even worse than Dave being unattractive is the fact that when I looked for him, he's not even there.

[Don Hahn]

Well, that's, you know, now you're bringing into.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, you look me up, there's just pages and pages of photos.

[Don Hahn]

I think you're with Dave.

[Alan Hahn]

The next three pictures down, it's some doctor from White Plains. I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's sadder. That's sadder. I. I don't even know how to measure us.

[Don Hahn]

He asked for this, by the way.

[Alan Hahn]

You asked for this. And now, and now to the other one.

[Don Hahn]

We know Allen's a daddy, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But if we gonna do it, we gotta. We gotta include everything. We gotta go with height, we gotta go with body.

[Don Hahn]

You gotta pull that shirt off, Petey.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's the thing. I know what I am and.

[Don Hahn]

No, it's okay.

[Alan Hahn]

But that's when we're talking about self awareness.

[Don Hahn]

Earlier we got a little lack of self awareness going on here. I'm saying you throwing throws in the glass house.

[Alan Hahn]

Pedro, let's be clear. You're a mini me of me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you know that.

[Don Hahn]

You know that.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, listen, that would actually make for a really, really funny edit though.

[Alan Hahn]

Which one?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Like you as the mini me.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don't.

[Alan Hahn]

Why'd you say that? Why'd you say that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

You complete me.

[Alan Hahn]

I do not. Look, I love. I love Chris. You guys know I love Chris Carlin. In spite of how many times he just wronged me over and over and over publicly.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Really?

[Alan Hahn]

You remember? Well, you remember the last one?

[Peter Rosenberg]

What was the last one?

[Alan Hahn]

Remind me when I was on First Take and they looked at the TV and were flabbergasted and disgusted. What could this moron possibly offer the world?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's like, who does he know? Or whatever it was that he did. Yeah, that's right.

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, listen, not everybody has come up with the brilliant programming to wander into A five guys and give it a review.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Chris, gotta be honest. That's really good though.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm a big fan, but I. Well, listen, you know what, Chris? Change it from Carlin's Corner Bean to reviewing restaurants to going to gyms and we can have a conversation.

[Don Hahn]

Wow.

[Alan Hahn]

For Christ's sake.

[Don Hahn]

If I could just have mine. Unless you have one out.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, go ahead, talk about it. I got nothing to talk about.

[Alan Hahn]

No, go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

Well, guess what's not working. I'm not gonna go there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, boy.

[Don Hahn]

I was offered a chance to buy coffee with Peter. I said, no, no, I'll get it here. But I'm not gonna do that because.

[Alan Hahn]

No, no, no.

[Don Hahn]

You did a fine company that actually has a coffee machine.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, it doesn't work though. Half the time it hasn't worked.

[Don Hahn]

The last. The last place we were working at, you know, our bathroom was basically a bucket and a sponge. So I'm not going to get upset because I love it here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Glorified outhouse.

[Don Hahn]

I get me a workable mic, it's on You. I, I couldn't do it. So taking my kids to school, this actually happened a couple of weeks ago and nothing's working.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Don, just do me a favor.

[Alan Hahn]

Sorry, sorry. Go ahead.

[Don Hahn]

I, I'm a big back into the space guy. We've got the cameras now. It's a really easy thing to do and it is something to be able to leave a store or work and hop in your car and just straight out with having to back out.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I love it.

[Don Hahn]

But I am very conscious to make sure that I'm not holding anybody up. And the other day, somebody going to back into a space, I'm right behind them because I didn't know they were going to stop. I'm driving behind and then I'm like, why are they stopping? Is somebody pulling out of a spot? Then all of a sudden I see they're reversing. I'm. Not only are you holding me up because I can go and park down the parking lot, but I can't now because you're in my way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, well, now you, now you want.

[Don Hahn]

Me to reverse and go backwards so you can back in. Unfortunately, it was at my kids school. I don't want to be the raging parent screaming at what could possibly be their principal or their teacher. And it wasn't it. I knew it wasn't their teacher or God forbid, a student because the school they go to is they go right up to high school. So. But so I had to buy my. If this was like at the, at the stop and shop, this would have been ugly. So I'm all for backing in, guys. I think it's a cool thing to do. We have the technology. Take advantage of it, sure. But don't hold people up and God, don't make people back up so that you can have. What do you mean? What do you do?

[Peter Rosenberg]

How do you know that I want to back into that spot? There's no, there's no wave that tells you no.

[Don Hahn]

When you see somebody's behind you, you let them go back. What do you see somebody behind you? You don't back in. You don't have to back into a spot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want.

[Don Hahn]

It's not mandatory. Well, then no. You lose the right to want to when somebody's behind you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What?

[Don Hahn]

The world revolves around you, but it revolves around you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want to back in. Who told you to ride my bumper?

[Don Hahn]

I just happened to be behind you. You can't side.

[Alan Hahn]

But I don't really understand the situation.

[Don Hahn]

I'm driving by, I'm driving the kids to school.

[Alan Hahn]

Okay.

[Don Hahn]

And Obviously there's a time crunch. We weren't leaving and somebody's behind me, somebody's in front of me, I'm behind someone. That person stops to back into a spot. It's bad enough you're making me wait for you to back into the spot, but now I gotta back up to give you room to back into a spot that you could just easily pull in head first.

[Alan Hahn]

So if they just. What are you doing? If they had just turned into the spot spot they're taking and instead they're like, no, I'd rather be able to pull out.

[Don Hahn]

I'd rather. Because the world revolves around me. And later on when I leave, I can pull out. I'm going to only accept up and wait 30 seconds.

[Alan Hahn]

The only acceptable time that you can do the back end of the spot is when no one's around.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I do because I dig back it in the spot.

[Alan Hahn]

I got the technology if you have a minute.

[Don Hahn]

But I make sure there's nobody behind me. If I see there's somebody like 200 yards away, I'm like, ah, yeah, I.

[Alan Hahn]

Don'T want them to pull up. And I'm still doing it.

[Don Hahn]

You don't see that?

[Alan Hahn]

I mean, you mean what you would be. Would have someone back up so you could then back into a space.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Would I do it? No, I wouldn't do it.

[Alan Hahn]

Cuz you're not an animal.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. If I saw something, I'm like, I'd get a little annoyed. Like us idiots behind me. I got to just pull straight in now, right? Like that's. And then you know what I would say?

[Don Hahn]

What a bad guy. I know some idiots behind me. What did I do to be behind you? Well, I left my house a millisecond later when you got house. And now I'm an idiot.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You gotta be that close.

[Don Hahn]

I think the idiot's making me back up. I think the idiot thinks, oh, I've got the technology, I got a camera, I can look at me, I could back up without even touching the screen.

[Alan Hahn]

No, Don's right here.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We have technology to do it.

[Alan Hahn]

You said that Don is absolutely right.

[Don Hahn]

You can't.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I say he's wrong. I'm just. He said, how would I. What would I do? I would not back in. But I'd be a little annoyed that I couldn't if I wanted to.

[Alan Hahn]

You'd be annoyed that he was blocking your ability to back.

[Don Hahn]

I'm not blocking, I'm just trying to get to my space now I got to back up and Give you here.

[Alan Hahn]

Here's the bottom line. Backing into a space is a luxury.

[Don Hahn]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

You only have that luxury in a wide open situation. Otherwise, you're turning left or right and you're done.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To be clear, I'm not denying any of this. I completely agree. I agree with Don, but he asked me how I'd feel.

[Don Hahn]

I'd be annoyed, but in his unrehearsed response to this.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Don Hahn]

He said, some idiot behind me. The fact that he let idiot slip, right, it's cleaning this up. He thinks he should be able to back up. No, he doesn't care who's behind him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's the timing of it. It's. It's. What are the odds? Like, I just want to freaking back in.

[Don Hahn]

No, but you don't have to.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You lose this guy's riding bump, somebody's.

[Don Hahn]

Behind you, you lose the right first.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Turn at Daytona, I give you a tip.

[Don Hahn]

I think it should be a law. I should be able to give it to.

[Alan Hahn]

You want jail time?

[Don Hahn]

Well, listen, it would put an end to it. Jail time's a little strong, but, like, why does the world have to revolve around you?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I understand.

[Alan Hahn]

By the way, real quick, just before we close out, let's talk about it' cause we gotta get these phone calls. I know that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

I pulled up. I just randomly looked at another.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're obsessed.

[Alan Hahn]

Another old photo dip. Look at the old promo photo, Don.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's so obsessed.

[Don Hahn]

It's the jean shirt.

[Alan Hahn]

No, the old promo shirt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Does he have a Canadian tuxedo going?

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's not quite that, but it's like, hold on. It's a. Not only. Not only is his. Not only is his beard a mess, but the white tee showing under the. It's a disaster. All it is is what we said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

What's the name?

[Alan Hahn]

What's that?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's called the Rothy.

[Alan Hahn]

That's called the Rothy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The white T shirt underneath a shirt, especially, like a polo shirt or a button. And you can see it.

[Alan Hahn]

You can see the white tee.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah. Rick called that rothy for years.

[Alan Hahn]

That was my look. Just to be clear, when I was 13 or 14, I would wear a britches polo shirt, a white tee. Under it, some baggy jeans and sneakers. And then you get to a certain age where you're an adult and you go, I can't show an undershirt. I have to commit to you just wearing a collar shirt.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or get a V neck.

[Alan Hahn]

Or get a V neck. You don't do this.

[Don Hahn]

It's wrong.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But he does.

[Alan Hahn]

Because He's Rothy.

[Don Hahn]

Well, I disagree about the picture. I think he tightened up the beard.

[Alan Hahn]

He did, but it's still. No, but it's still Don. He tightened up the beard, but he needs a haircut.

[Don Hahn]

Listen, he did maintenance.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's not like the judging. The judging that's going on. No, it's a lot of justice. It's really.

[Don Hahn]

No, no, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. A lot of judging. A lot. Very judg. And it's. And it's topical because we're talking about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hang on.

[Don Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Don Hahn]

Mets fans, get ready to roll with Dpietro and rothenberg for the third annual pregame party. It all happens this Thursday, June 12th. Come join Rick and Dave live at Publicans in Manhasset from 6 to 10am for the ultimate pregame party. Then ride the train with them. The Manhasset station to Citi Field. The fun keeps going in lot e, starting at 11:30, right up to the first pitch when the Mets take on the Nationals. And K is going to be there. So Thursday I'm going to be doing the show from 1 to 3, and then our show from 3 to 7, but Michael is going to be free to go to lot E. It's all brought to you by Yingling Traditional Lager Legends Stand the Test of Time. London Jewelers and Tullamore Due. Because when it's. When it's game time, it's Tully time. All right. We were talking about Judge and how he's among the greats and I think he's better than Jeter. But a lot of people, including Alan, pushback because he has not won a title. Your thoughts? Let's go to Matt in New Jersey. You're on, Don. Hanna Roseberg. What's up, Matt?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hey, how are you guys? Good. Want to say congrats on the show and interesting note, My brother's name is Don Han. So named the show. It's pretty awesome.

[Don Hahn]

So your last name is Han?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm Matt Hannah.

[Don Hahn]

Oh, wow, look at that. Are you related to Alan?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Unfortunately, no. It would be nice to be related to him.

[Alan Hahn]

It really would.

[Peter Rosenberg]

There was a Matt Hahn who played football at St. Anthony's High School in Long Island. Like, he was a legend, like, phenomenal football player.

[Don Hahn]

Forgot you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He went. He went big time, too. I forget which school he went to, but different football for me. I was a college goalkeeper for soccer and coached college soccer. See, athletics, though, runs in the name, right? You just know that. Yes, sir. Matt aware of the delicious Han wines? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And fire engine. Fire engine, yeah. Han family makes fire engines down in Maryland.

[Alan Hahn]

Really?

[Peter Rosenberg]

See, I didn't know that.

[Alan Hahn]

Good for you, Al.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's tremendous, right? We're everywhere. Neat.

[Don Hahn]

What do you got, Matt?

[Peter Rosenberg]

So talking about comparisons in house, people that didn't win titles still, like, oh, my goodness.

[Don Hahn]

Yeah, that call was.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm going to be honest. He, I'm sure, is a lovely man. He seemed like a really nice guy. I would rank that bottom five worst calls in the history of the radio station.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Low energy.

[Alan Hahn]

Low energy. And then it was like a rambling about nothingness. And then when he got to the.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sports, we were talking about a family name that I rarely get to.

[Alan Hahn]

But then it's fire engines. And then all of a sudden, he goes, let me get into the sports of it. And his line, disconne. Great guy. Tough call.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Tough call.

[Alan Hahn]

He can bounce back. Next time, you got to pick the. You can't. Like, how do I explain this? I understand the people who call the show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Why don't you give a tutorial Sports Call creator?

[Alan Hahn]

Because I used to do it when I was a kid. I used to call Ken BeatRice in the D.C. area when I was a kid. Kenny B. I don't remember that being a nickname. But when you do it, I understand you're not a host, you're a caller. But you have to think of everything that goes over the airwaves as part of the entertainment that you, our listener, would be receiving.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good point.

[Alan Hahn]

So if another caller were to call who was not you, another stranger, and when they called up, they just simply sounded like this throughout the entirety of the phone call, do you think it would be likely that you'd want to keep listening to the phone call, or would you just kind of check out? Not really.

[Don Hahn]

Be patient.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, so give me a better example. All right. Pick you up, Peter. And Peter in Manhattan. Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, Alan, it's. It's me, Peter. How you guys doing?

[Don Hahn]

Good, good, good.

[Alan Hahn]

Great to hear. I got a point. I'm gonna get right to it. You know, we gotta talk about the Knicks. Coach.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can I critique right away?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, go ahead. Yelling.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no, no. The yelling's all right.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't need the.

[Don Hahn]

Hello.

[Alan Hahn]

How you doing? Yeah. All right, try again. Pick up again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How you guys doing? What are you here?

[Alan Hahn]

Pick up again.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Go ahead, Peter. Manhattan. Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

Hey, guys, let's talk about the Knicks. I'm really excited about the possibilities of Jason Kidd.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I like it.

[Alan Hahn]

How's the back of his belly?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, get right to it.

[Don Hahn]

I mean. And the little piece of advice, your stories are far more interesting to you than they're going to be to the rest of the world. So unless it's really something amazing, give it to.

[Alan Hahn]

You know, I was at my son's softball game last week.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, great.

[Alan Hahn]

It's real. It was a hell of a game. I brought the orange peels. They were a hit. Everyone loved the orange peels. You guys ever had orange peels?

[Don Hahn]

And one of the orange peels actually looked like Alan Hahn.

[Alan Hahn]

It was really crazy. Alan, you like orange peels?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No.

[Don Hahn]

Let's go to Al in the Bronx. You're on.

[Alan Hahn]

Here we go.

[Don Hahn]

Al, Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Caller]

Okay, gentlemen, I try to make this quick and I won't be boring. I'm gonna make the argument why there's no comparison with judging Jeter.

[Don Hahn]

All right?

[Caller]

And this is on the judge side. All right, first of all, Derek Jeter was never considered in the top five in his entire career. A top five in the mlb. In his entire career. He won five World Series. He had one mvp. World Series mvp. He was never the best player on one of the championship teams. I don't think he was ever the best player on any of the Yankees that actually went to the championship.

[Peter Rosenberg]

First of all, factually incorrect already twice finished third in MVP vote. Actually. I'm sorry. Second, third, twice. So three times was in the top five. Continue.

[Caller]

Alan, you watch baseball. Did you, did you consider. I'm not talking about mvp. The Yankees won a lot of games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He said he was never a top five player in the sport. He literally.

[Caller]

He was never. Okay, okay, all right. Okay, so I'll give you that one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Okay.

[Caller]

The other thing I wanted to say is, Alan, I love you. Please stop perpetuating this foolish narrative that you have to win a championship. Baseball is not basketball. All right? Judge took the 2022 team to the playoffs on his own. I mean, he had nobody behind them. He carried us the 62 home run year. Tell me when in any year that Derek Jeter would have been able to carry the team through the playoffs. Any year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, but you understand, Al, the Yankees, it's a different standard you're held to whether you like it or not.

[Don Hahn]

Do you got to get over that? That's the point. You got to get over that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Boston Celtics have to get over it. Yeah, it doesn't exist there either.

[Don Hahn]

It's because nobody, because Tatum can't win 10 titles like Bill.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But all you had to do is win one. That's all. I didn't say he's got to win five or three. He's got to win one. It does matter. I'm sorry. I get it.

[Don Hahn]

That's what I'm fighting with you, is that that's what these Yankee fans have to get over. You're holding yourself to a standard that no longer exists. That's why you hate Hal. That's why you hate Brian. Like I haven't won a title. You know, the Giants won three in a six year span. That's considered a dynasty, you know, haven't won in the last 11 years. And also a lot of garbage in between the championships, but they did pick up three. Okay, okay. But the Royals had their run. The Texas Rangers had their run. You know, the Red Sox have won a few titles and also had 100 lost seasons in between. You know the Yankees have been consistently good. They haven't been able to win the chip and I do get on them for that because they should have won at least more than just the one they've won in the last 25 years. But parody is all over the sport. There's no dynasty teams anymore. It's hard to win how considered an.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All time great and yet everybody else you're being compared to has won and you have not.

[Don Hahn]

I will answer that coming back on ESPN New York.

[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

467-369 thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast. I don't want to know how the sausage is made, man. I just want to know it's good. Hear more of Don Allen and Peter weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 8 80, ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers.