Hour 2: Knicks Struggles & Let's Talk About It

Summary

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Don, Hahn & Rosenberg – Hour 2: Knicks Struggles & Let's Talk About It

Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: Don La Greca, Alan Hahn, Peter Rosenberg

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Episode Overview

This hour focuses on the New York Knicks’ recent struggles—a sudden downturn after a strong start to the season—analyzing potential causes and future implications. The trio debates what’s gone wrong (fatigue, team chemistry, the effect of chasing the NBA Cup), scrutinizes individual performances, and discusses the overall state of the NBA playoff race. The latter part of the show shifts to “Let's Talk About It Tuesday,” where they riff on everything from parking etiquette in NYC to NFL playoff rules and classic rock debates. The tone is candid, passionate, and loaded with New York sports flavor.

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Knicks: What’s Gone Wrong?

[00:14 – 15:39]

Key Discussion Points

• Knicks' Losing Streak
  The Knicks, after looking dominant, lose four straight—including a blowout to Detroit, an especially demoralizing defeat against a team seen as inferior.

  • “Is it just. Are they getting out physical? Did they miss Josh Hart that much?” – Peter Rosenberg [00:36]
  • “They started to lose their edge… they were winning, but you saw the defense slip.” – Alan Hahn [01:55]

• NBA Cup Hangover
  The hosts discuss whether going all-out to win the NBA Cup took too much out of the team.

  • “They really spent a lot of energy doing it… and somewhere along the way, they started to lose their edge.” – Alan Hahn [01:55]
  • “The post-cup thing is a real thing, but … it’s just now being exposed in the worst way.” – Alan Hahn [05:59]

• Defense Slipping Hahn details a trend of defensive lapses masked by strong offense, finally exposed in recent games.

  • “They gave up 70 points in the second half at Atlanta and then 75 in the first half at New Orleans. 145 points in consecutive halves. That’s like—okay, this is not right.” – Alan Hahn [02:45]

• Teams Targeting the Knicks
  Other teams, sensing the Knicks’ success and exhaustion, are circling games against them.

  • “Everybody wanted a piece. Knicks were sort of punch-drunk at that point.” – Alan Hahn [04:26]
  • “Cade Cunningham after the [Detroit] game: ‘We wanted this game. We had this circled.’” – Alan Hahn [05:19]

• Individual Accountability Alan singles out the Knicks’ all-star big man (Towns) for using “the system” as an excuse for poor play, calling for accountability.

  • “It’s an excuse he keeps leaning on rather than having some accountability about this.” – Alan Hahn [05:58]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Jalen Brunson’s Off Night:
  “Brunson had his worst game I’ve ever seen him play last night. And that was all because the Pistons were like, you’re not beating us… zero assists for the first time as a Knickerbocker with six turnovers.”
  – Alan Hahn [10:31]

• On the NBA Cup's Lasting Effects:
  “If this season gets derailed and the theme is that they regret going for the NBA Cup, expending so much energy to win it—that’s not going to be good for the future of the NBA Cup.”
  – Peter Rosenberg [08:40]

• On Karl-Anthony Towns (KAT):
  “His offense affects his defense, his intensity to rebound, all that stuff is affected when he’s not getting the ball.” – Alan Hahn [17:49]

• Caller Manny’s Critique:
  “It’s not like the Knicks are not playing hard—they just don’t play smart. Like, they can’t defend the three, they can’t even defend the perimeter… Cat needs to play better, stop making these silly ass fouls.”
  – Caller Manny [15:46]

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Notable Segment Timestamps

• [00:14] – Knicks losing streak set up and Cup ramifications
• [01:55] – Defensive slippage and exhaustion analysis
• [05:23] – Motivation of Knicks’ opponents (Cunningham/Detroit)
• [08:40] – Impact on future NBA Cup strategy
• [10:29] – Jalen Brunson’s worst game
• [15:43] – Call from Manny: "They just don’t play smart"
• [19:22] – Towns’ role & trade rumors; “He just got engaged. You would think he’d just be happy, but…”
• [20:22] – KAT’s post-game comments and critique

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NBA Cup: Is It Hurting Teams?

[08:40 – 15:16]

• Discussion about whether teams that went deep or won the NBA Cup (Knicks, Lakers, Bucks) tend to struggle in the weeks after.
• Speculation about teams’ future Cup strategies:
  “I wouldn’t be surprised if next season, a lot of teams silently are like, ‘Let’s get to the quarterfinals because at least we get 100 grand, and then we just—we’re not winning that game.’”
  – Alan Hahn [09:01]

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Scheduling, Fatigue, and Excuse-Making

[11:00 – 15:39]

• The hosts compare the NBA’s load management culture to hockey, where condensed schedules are seen as normal.

  • “In the NHL, it’s the same thing. They’ve got a condensed schedule. … And it’s not looked upon as an excuse.” – Alan Hahn [12:57]
  • “It just sounds remarkably soft.” – Peter Rosenberg [13:52]

• A broader discussion on whether the Knicks' post-cup fatigue is a valid excuse, or just part of the NBA’s 'softness.'

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Locker Room Dynamics: Ball Movement & Chemistry

[17:49 – 19:22]

• Criticism of Knicks offense getting too stagnant, particularly in how Brunson and Towns need better communication.

  • “Brunson and Towns probably need to have, like—just get a sit down and talk it out … Towns needs to say, ‘I know the first quarter’s your quarter, but I gotta touch the ball.’” – Alan Hahn [18:38]

• Difficulties for Towns fitting into Mike Brown’s system, and his lack of transparency with the media:

  • “That’s a non-answer… He’s just being polite to the media. But there’s really—that’s not an answer.” – Alan Hahn [20:49]

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Let’s Talk About It Tuesday

[23:02 – end]

New York Parking Etiquette

[25:30–29:46]

• Peter Rosenberg bemoans the complexities of street parking etiquette in NYC—how to signal drivers if you’re leaving a spot while sitting in your car.
  • “I never know what to do with my hands and mouth to say yes or no.” – Peter Rosenberg [26:38]
  • “No, you wave it off.” – Alan Hahn [27:44]
  • They debate whether to tell a waiting driver how long you’ll be.
  • “If you tell me that hazards on…” – Alan Hahn [28:39]

NFL Playoff Seeding Debates

[29:49–38:29]

• Don objects to teams with losing records (e.g., Carolina) hosting playoff games, suggesting home field be reserved for teams above .500.

  • “Can’t you just say, in order to host a playoff game, you have to finish above .500? … I can’t have an 8-9 football team hosting a playoff game.” – Don La Greca [30:04]
  • Others respond that division titles guarantee home games and money, so owners won’t change the rule.

• Peter and Alan debate the appeal of wide-open playoffs vs. dynasties, using food metaphors to compare playoff quality.

  • “This is like airport sushi.” – Alan Hahn [37:31]
  • “You have so many fun, sexy matchups that could present throughout these playoffs. And because Alan loves greatness, he’s not going to get to appreciate this wide-open playoff.” – Peter Rosenberg [36:12]

Miscellany: Rock Music “Ton of Hits” Argument

[39:38–43:36]

• The hosts jokingly argue what qualifies as “a ton” of hit songs, using Boston as a case study.
  • “Ton means more, in my opinion, than two.” – Peter Rosenberg [41:03]
  • “A bunch. A bunch could be two or three more that I didn’t know about.” – Alan Hahn [41:22]

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “They really spent a lot of energy [on the Cup]… somewhere along the way, they started to lose their edge.” – Alan Hahn [01:55]
• “Brunson had his worst game I’ve ever seen him play last night. … zero assists for the first time as a Knickerbocker with six turnovers.” – Alan Hahn [10:31]
• “If this season gets derailed and the theme… is they regret going for the NBA Cup, expending so much energy—that’s not good for the future of the NBA Cup.” – Peter Rosenberg [08:40]
• “It’s not like the Knicks are not playing hard—they are playing hard. They just don’t play smart.” – Caller Manny [15:46]
• “This is sushi, but not good sushi—the basic. This is like airport sushi.” – Alan Hahn [37:15, 37:31]
• “Ton means more, in my opinion, than two. Oh, no, ton is more than seven, though.” – Peter Rosenberg [41:03]

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Episode Takeaways

• Knicks’ problems are multifaceted: fatigue, defensive breakdowns, offensive stagnation, and perhaps some regression and chemistry issues atop the roster.
• The NBA Cup may have unforeseen downsides: Post-tournament fatigue could be real, and how teams approach it in the future may shift.
• Team accountability and communication are recurring themes: The need for stars to speak up and coaches to resolve friction.
• The hosts blend deep analysis with cultural context: Expect a mix of sports insight, local flavor, and classic DHR banter on everything from parking to playoff fairness to what defines a “ton” of rock hits.

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This summary is for sports fans seeking the highlights and honest perspectives on the Knicks’ latest swoon and the wider debates in the NBA and NFL—complete with the irreverent, high-energy exchanges only this show delivers.

Transcript

[Don Hahn]

This is the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That sounds like heaven to me.

[Don Hahn]

Listen live weekday afternoon starting at 3 on 880 ESPN, the ESPN New York app and your smart speakers 400 one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Of the big city Don on in Rosenberg with you until 6:30. Then it's St. John's basketball. Speaking of basketball, Alan, what's going on with the Knicks? Things look so good. Oh and then they lose to the spurs in a tough game and then what? Atlanta, Philadelphia and just manhandled against Detroit. A team that played the night before. Is it just. Are they getting out physical? Did they miss Josh Hart that much?

[Alan Hahn]

Yes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Given up a ton of points. What is it one thing? Is it multiple things to all of a sudden lose four in a row and get blasted by the Pistons? It's very reminiscent of what happened last year. Right where they couldn't be Cleveland, they couldn't be Boston in the regular season. Now they're in third. The Celtics without Tatum passed them.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now again it's only January 6th. That's not get crazy but this is January 6th is perfect.

Hitting it crazy.

[Alan Hahn]

But let's get crazy. Let's get nuts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I did tell you guys just. I did say let's watch out for the Celtics team that's going to be ultra motivated and Jalen Brown is going to have a serious chip on his shoulder because I think he always feels slighted by the whole Tatums much better than me. So it is interesting. They look like they're going to actually try to play this thing out.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll give all the credit where it's due in Boston. That coach and Brad Stevens. Oh yeah. Of course Stevens and Missoula are. I mean outside of OKC might be the best front office head coach combination. The synergy, everything about what they do.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Even the little moves this offseason that people you don't even know just right. And development of players and then Jaylen Brown and then true stunt.

[Alan Hahn]

Well and Brown is, is. He's Richard Petty. He's the king of Petty. Oh. Like he's. He just is a guy that takes everything personal. Like not winning player of the month in December and then dropping 50 the next day. Yeah, like he's that guy. Which is fine because that's what you expect out of your star players. This was something that we saw coming because they were. You really could sense that they were losing that edge. They really wanted to win the NBA Cup. As much as teams or fans want to say that it's meaningless and all that stuff. The Knicks were motivated to say let's get, let's collectively come together. How do we want this? Let's go get it. Let's go do it. They talked about it all the way, all the way to winning the championship. They were like, this is what we want. So they wanted it. And they, they really spent a lot of energy doing it. Then they had to deal with the schedule and in. So guys had to rest. And somewhere along the way, they started to lose their edge. Now on the road trip, they were winning games and they were playing really well offensively, but you saw the defense slip. They gave up 70 points in the second half at Atlanta and then in the first half at New Orleans. New Orleans, guys, they have single digit wins, 75 points in the first half. So 145 points in consecutive halves. That's like, okay, this is not right. They got to fix this. And so you knew the defense was starting to slip, but they were getting away with it because their offense was so good. San Antonio.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I'm.

[Alan Hahn]

I called the whole trip. So I'm courtside, I'm watching and I'm like, they're, I mean, they're running up and down the floor. They're up 19 early. They're up going into the fourth quarter. They were getting after it. They were running hard. And I made comment on the, on the, on the call with Mike Breen, I said, they are playing hard. This is the last game of a trip. It's New Year's Eve. A lot of times teams might dial it back. They were going for it. And Champagne had like a historic night, making threes and they ended up losing. But I didn't, I never, I felt like, all right, they just got to tighten it up. But they're getting away with it. The Atlanta game was an Atlanta team that didn't have to play with Trey Young. And they were out to prove that we don't need this guy. And they did. They were phenomenal defensively in that game. It's a week since they played the Knicks. Their home crowd was chanting defense when the Hawks had the ball. So they had a little bit of a chip going into that game. And you could see it. They wanted that game very competitive, but they also, I think, wanted to prove something without Trey Young. And now the Trey Young rumor, rumors are out there that the Hawks and Trey Young are now discussing moving on because they think they're better without. In fact, I'm sorry, I can tell you that they know they're better without. So now, crazy now in a back to back, you're playing a Sixer team. The Sixers were finally healthy. Embiid Paul George, that great backcourt they have now with Maxey and Edgecombe, which, by the way, next 10 years, they're going to be. They're going to be a problem. The Knicks had a target on their back. Everybody wanted a piece of them. And the Knicks were sort of like. They were almost punch drunk at that point. Like another team coming at you, like they just not letting you breathe. And so it just started to unravel in these games. And what'd you think, Detroit? You heard Cade Cunningham after the game, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Hell, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

We wanted this game, right? We had this circle, this, this. We wanted this game. And so that's a third team in a row now that was. They were. They were salivating to play you, and you're just trying to catch your breath with a defense that probably needs a week's worth of practice to fix. And the last thing I'll say is a big man, an All Star who's just having a hard time this year, and he just can't be consistent. And his only explanation is it's the system. I don't know what I'm doing. Come on. I don't like the way I'm playing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We're 36 games in.

[Alan Hahn]

It's. It's an excuse that he keeps leaning on rather than having some accountability about this, the way he's playing. So last night, to me, was a culmination of a week's worth of, you have a target on your back, everybody's coming for you, and you're also running out of gas. The post cup thing is a real thing, but it's also, to me, just something that was not. This is a new. This was starting to unravel. It's just now being exposed in the worst way. And last night was really exposed by a team that was out to embarrass the Knicks in Detroit because the Knicks won all three playoff games in that building. And they wanted to put that in the past as fast as they could. So they got to get right. And they have no time to do it because they just don't have any days off today. They come back, they have a little bit of a practice day. They got to play tomorrow. Gets a Clipper team that's gotten a lot better. Then you know what they do on Thursday? Fly to the west coast, and they got a West coast trip. They don't have any time, so they're paying for wanting to win the NBA Cup. And it's all starting to be exposed right now. They got to get it right. But they're. They're way better than they're playing right now.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let me ask you this. You called the game, the San Antonio game?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is champagne literally the first player ever to shoot every field goal as a three pointer with like more than a certain amount of shots. He was 11 for 17 from Don from the floor and from three.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow. All he took was threes.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Only three 17 shots. Even the. Even the free throws that he had. Three for three from the line. Every single. Has that ever happened?

[Alan Hahn]

No. That's the most points scored by only shooting threes. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's a lot. He broke.

[Alan Hahn]

He broke a previous record. I think it was actually Thompson.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who was it?

[Alan Hahn]

Was it Chuck Person?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's perfect.

[Alan Hahn]

Something like that. The Rifleman.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Rifleman.

[Alan Hahn]

So anyways. Yeah. Must be strange polls.

[Caller Manny]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

It's too early for hits from the ball. Yeah. We're not the Bonds yet.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can I just say something?

[Alan Hahn]

Jim Penny, by the way, from Brooklyn, if you're from. If you're of a certain John's guy.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you're of a certain age. Chuck Person's not even a strange pole.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. Most people would know who Chuck Person.

[Peter Rosenberg]

To a lot of people, like Don to you. Is he a strange pole?

I don't know. It is. No. No.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I guess that for the youngsters.

[Alan Hahn]

But that. And he was what only frustrated you was, why are you leaving him open? Like at some point somebody on the team should be like, I'm guarding him. Four on four. You guys deal with that. I'm not leaving this guy's side. But they didn't do that. Which we have seen before. So Mike Brown's got a lot of work to do and he doesn't have a lot of time to do it right now. And so this is this team's right now feeling the first real drama moment of the season.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But you bring up the NBA cup and if this season gets derailed and the theme of it's going to be that they regret going for the NBA cup, expending so much energy to win, that that's not going to be good for the future of the NBA Cup. But no, he's going to want it.

[Alan Hahn]

I tell you what, Don, I wouldn't be surprised if next season a lot of teams silently were like, let's get to the quarterfinal. Because at least we get like 100 grand out of that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

And then we just. We're not winning that game. We don't want to win that Game. Right. I would not be surprised because of the result. The Bucks, the Lakers and now the Knicks. First 10 games out, always under.500.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's going to be the death.

[Alan Hahn]

It's real. But I am not excusing the Knicks. I am looking at it. Like I said, I'm looking at Towns and a guy who. I think I said it in the broadcast against the Sixers. I said he's got to get his head right because early second quarter minutes for him, he's. He's the man in the offense because Brunson goes to the bench. That's his time to cook. And they have been negative minutes in the last couple of games because his head's not right. And that's a major problem they got to fix. That is a big problem. And if they can't get that right, then they have major. They have real issues. They were. They were winning and he was having good games once in a while, but I was waiting and I always said if he gets right, they could be really scary. But when he's not right and then he's not playing defense and then the defense is breaking down. Annoby hasn't been good either. And I don't know what's going on with him, but he has not been good either. So they've got a problem. And Brunson had his worst game I've ever seen him play last night. And that was all because the Pistons were like, you're not beating us.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Worst game you've ever seen him play.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. They made it clear somebody else going to beat us, not you. He had zero assists for the first time as a Knickerbocker with six turnovers, 25 points.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And now it's making the rounds they've got. They had one more win than they did last year. One more win last year than they did so far this year.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's like, you know, now is that counting the Cup? Because technically, I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just saw that their record is better.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Last year at this time than.

[Alan Hahn]

But they got to get right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I refuse. You know, Alan pointed out that, you know, and you guys have been discussing it, teams records this last few years after the cup. It's. I believe it. But man, it sounds so soft on. Like it really adds when he described the schedule.

You're not practicing, you're playing every other day.

[Alan Hahn]

And they've had two road trips.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And then. Yeah. Now they're going to go out west again and that'd be a third road trip.

How many more games have they played than teams that did nothing?

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. I don't know if there's that dramatic of a difference, to be honest with you. I don't know that. I'm just saying since that day in Vegas, the night in Vegas, they have. Why would that sense every other day?

[Peter Rosenberg]

But think about it, Peter.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They had to go to Vegas, then.

[Alan Hahn]

They had to go to Indiana.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you play. You play the championship, the two games in Vegas. You beat the spurs in Vegas on a Tuesday. You're in Indiana on a Thursday. If you remember that game in Indiana, they won a last second shot from Brunson. The Pacers were a shell from an injury standpoint, the Knicks won a last second shot. Almost forgiven. And you're basically playing every other day. So it's. I understand.

It's a world problem.

[Alan Hahn]

How about this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

In the top eight in the east, there's one team that's played less games than them. Everyone else is the same or more. Pistons have played 36, Celtics 35, Knicks 36, Raptors 37. The Sixers are 34. But Magic 36, Heat 36. They're all playing 36 games.

But you're looking at it. But it's a little trip. It's a trip to Vegas.

We know Vegas trips are tiring. We still get it done.

They were trying to win it, so now all of a sudden it becomes like a playoff game. Remember, this is a league where you've got load management.

But do you hear what you're saying out loud? I'm just saying what an indictment of the league. And you don't believe this. They wanted to win and that's what we expected in hockey. It's expected 80 nights a year. You want to win.

I get it. But we're not talking about the NHL.

No, we're not.

I mean, listen, I got to be honest with you. I'm defending Allen, but it's a basketball thing because it's not. It's not a hockey thing because the NHL is the same thing. They've got a condensed schedule because of the Olympics. Tons of teams are playing three games of four nights. Devils had back to be. They had it back to back games this weekend.

[Alan Hahn]

Played the whole weekend. I understand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And there's. It just. It's not looked upon as an excuse. But when you're the NBA and, and you have load management and players complain about how tough the schedule is and you see teams strategically resting players to avoid it. When you have a team that all of a sudden, in normal time in the middle of the season, in December, around Christmas time, might be resting players now going all out to win technically a regular season game, but now it's an NBA cup game. Hey, it could put you at a disadvantage when you're now playing teams that weren't stressed, that didn't travel as much.

[Alan Hahn]

I get it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It just sounds remarkably soft.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't think you're wrong, Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't think you're wrong.

[Alan Hahn]

I think it's a label that has. That was put on this team last year. And while they like to play physical, especially Brunson. Right. They actually. They don't play soft when it comes to, like, the style. They do want to be physical. Right. But when you talk about mentally, I think you do have some issues there that this team's got to figure out. And, you know, you heard. You heard Brunson last night. Like, he's. He's always got to point to himself first. He did have a bad game, but Mike Brown is not he now. He holds players accountable, but this is like a real test for him now. Yeah, he's not only calling players out, but kind of getting them back locked in. I just think that's what I saw. I saw a team in San Antonio. I was courtside. It was right in front of me. And by the way, watching Win by Nyame live, like, on the court.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, my God. No.

[Alan Hahn]

It's crazy, right? It's ridiculous. But that game, they were getting after it like it was a physical game. They were running. I really was blown away. I was like, man, the Knicks are going hard for the last game of Rocha. Like, they're going hard. And then the two games at home over the weekend, Friday, Saturday, I kept. I think there was one time there was a steal, and I'm like, who's getting back? Which team wants it more?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And. And that really bought. And that was about the Knicks not running as hard. And so you showed me that you can play hard and run hard. And now these last couple of games, I don't see that same effort. It can't just be. They don't want to play hard. Something else going on.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

There's a. Mike Brown's got to handle this, and this is his first real tough moment, first piece of drama that he has to deal with.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's go to Manny. Flushing. You're on espn, New York. What's up, Manny? Hey, guys.

[Caller Manny]

Happy New Year, by the way.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You, too.

[Caller Manny]

Listen, I appreciate Alan's perspective. Listen, I've been saying this with my pops. It's not like the Knicks are not playing hard. They are playing hard. They just don't play smart. Meaning like they can't even defend the three and they can't even like defend, you know, defend like in the perimeter. I mean, you know like, like prior to the Z week they were good at defending, the paint, all that stuff. But in recent, but recent weeks it's like we getting everybody scoring. That's like, like for no damn reason. Like, I mean the last few, few games we pretty much outscored by some great guards from the Maxis, the Edge Coles and recently the Cunninghams. You know, tomorrow we may face James Harden. I mean I told you I think he hurt his shoulder, I believe. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It seems like they just don't play smart. I mean this has been a pattern. And by the way, with the Tim's tweet, I interesting that he reposted. He didn't like, I mean I think he reposted and he deleted. I find it interesting because last year they regressed under him and all of a sudden he, he kind of retreated. I found it interesting. But anyway it just. And also Cat, he. Cat needs to listen. I get it, he is a new system and all that stuff but at some point it's on him more than the systems on him. He has to play better. Stop making these silly ass fouls all the damn time and stop always like, you know, try. At least it convinced Bronx to the aggressive. He me the damn ball because I'm, I'm. I'm a second star. I gotta be aggressive too and play a little bit defense. I'm not saying both. I know both of these guys have not been considered being great defenders but I mean it was a Brunson trials. I give him credit for that. But talented times, it's like, it's like he's a cone like Patrick Beverly said with the worst of Chris Paul. Remember a few years ago when Patrick Beverly said about Chris Paul with the cone part, the cone scissor racing. I felt like Cat because there were times that he's been outplayed by Isaiah Stewart and, and I don't forgot that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is a Cat trait. Right. Like on the good nights he's one of the best players in the league. On the rough nights he can get schooled by someone that you're like how is this possible?

[Alan Hahn]

And his offense affects his defense, his intensity to rebound, all that stuff is affected when he's not getting the ball. And you saw in the first quarter that Brunson and Brown said this after the game. He's not naming names, but if you watch the game, you know who he's talking about. When he said, we hold on to it too long. And that's what that was happening to Brunson. He was holding on to the ball too long. It was too much just pounding it. There wasn't ball movement. And that's been lately. And I agree with the caller. Towns and Brunson probably need to have, like to get a sit down and talk it out, and they need to be honest with each other. Like, Towns need to say to him, like, listen, I know the first quarter is your quarter, but I got to touch the ball. I can't just get a technical free throw shot. That gives me one point in the quarter. And then I'm now in the game. You're the point guard. You got to get me involved. Like, you got to recognize I haven't touched the ball in a while and you got to get me going.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

And that's important. And so they've got to have it out. Last year, it never seemed to be a big problem. I don't know why. This year it's become a problem. Right from the start of the season, he is not Towns, I mean, has just not looked comfortable playing the way they want to play. And right now, I don't want to say he. He's playing like he's protesting, but he certainly doesn't look like he's thrilled.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And my excuse for him early in the year was, well, maybe he's feeling it that he might be included in a Giannis deal.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought so, too.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, you heard Jim Dolan yesterday saying, I don't make any trades.

[Alan Hahn]

Yep. So.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it did. It does feel like there's no nothing in the offing. So get over it. You're here here. You're here for the rest of the season. If that deal is going to be made, it's going to be made in the offseason.

[Alan Hahn]

He just got engaged. You would think, like, right now he'd, like, just be happy, but 36 games.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Into the season now, talk about making adjustments.

[Alan Hahn]

Dude, stop. I find it hard to believe.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now, is it a crazy thought, though, that to start thinking about, we're now sitting here at almost 40 games, almost halfway through the year. I think we're getting a pretty good idea of who the Knicks are. Right. They're going to be a pretty good team that maybe have occasional lapses, but they're going to be damn good. And I think you could say the same about the Celtics Right. They're going to be a pretty damn good team.

[Alan Hahn]

Celtics are a pain in the ass.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're going to be.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That series, if they have it again.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh God.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Will be a friggin war.

[Alan Hahn]

Oh yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because they, the Celtics. Any last year of the Celtics not being prepared for the Knicks, that's going to be so far out the window. They're going to give Missoula hardest series imaginable.

[Alan Hahn]

Missoula might not sleep the whole series.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And Jalen Brown is going to be. He's going to put his entire legacy in his eyes. He'll be on that.

[Alan Hahn]

Great point.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now Cat was asked about his role in the nix deep offense.

[Cat (player)]

It's a. It's a process, you know, it's a. It's a different process. So I just. Whenever, you know, I get my opportunities, I'm going to try to maximize them and make the most of them.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now are you frustrated adjusting to Mike Brown's system?

[Cat (player)]

You know, I just lean on my experience. I've had unfortunately had to adjust to a lot of head coaches so. And a lot of new teammates and situations and stuff. So I'm just leaning on my experience and knowing, you know, you know, we gotta do what I gotta do to move forward.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a non answer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's not a great answer.

[Alan Hahn]

No, it's. It's not an answer like just. He's not really telling you what he thinks. He's just given an answer. He's being polite to the media. But there's really. That's not an answer.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, it's not the right answer, that's for sure. Well, game time is brought to you by Telemardu Irish Whiskey beats When it's game time.

It's totally time.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought we were doing that in 2026. We were gonna.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, kind of.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that was the big one.

That wasn't the big one.

[Alan Hahn]

It's not your fault. I was looking at Peter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Wow, that was me. You didn't know it was you, did you?

[Alan Hahn]

No, no. I wasn't saying that you did anything wrong. I'm just saying I thought we were.

[Peter Rosenberg]

We said it though.

We thought a lot of things.

Yeah, I see what you're saying.

[Alan Hahn]

We'll have to have a meeting.

[Peter Rosenberg]

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[Alan Hahn]

Get your app ready. Get your act together.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Or it's your. Or it's your app.

Or it's your app.

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[Alan Hahn]

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[Peter Rosenberg]

You bet your app.

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[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg Podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts. Sometimes you just can't take it anymore.

[Alan Hahn]

This is.

[Don Hahn]

Let's Talk About It Tuesday with Don Hahn and Rosenberg.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ah, hello.

You know, my. You know, my wife said to me tonight, I love you.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

She said, get off me.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That one. No, but not well. Anyways, I said, I actually opened with a good. I accidentally called who are you? I did the thing I always do, which is accidentally, who are you? That's not. I. I accidentally called my. Called the show the Keisha, as I often do. And then I'm like, I mean, our show. And my wife just said, you know what? I like it better as the gay show. What am I supposed to do? I have to say dhr. I. She said, I. I know. It is the Case show.

[Alan Hahn]

Wow.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I said, but it's my show.

[Alan Hahn]

See, I told you. I didn't think I'd make it a year.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I just continue to call it the case.

But. But at home, do you accidentally find yourself doing that, Don? Like, well, I got to do a show at. At blah, blah, blah.

Yeah. Just because.

Because it's the time slot. It represents the time slot.

It's weird. I've got, like, stages because now with the new contract, I will make, you know, 25 years at the stage.

[Alan Hahn]

I thought it was about to drop digits.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're finally gonna make $25,000 a year. No, God bless.

God bless. Is that when we were on 1050, for whatever reason, I'd always refer to 1050. Gotta go to 1050. Go to watch.

Interesting. I gotta go to 1050.

Then we moved to 98.

[Alan Hahn]

7.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It never went, I'm going to 98. 7.

It became Kay Show.

It became the Kay Show. And then Declan was born and he referred to just me leaving the house as I was going to the K show.

Right.

And then my mom saying, can't Michael K give you vacation? And then it just became like the K Show. And. Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

So it's a little.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Now it's just espn.

I'm going to espn.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Makes sense. Alan would prefer you just call it the Honcho.

[Alan Hahn]

No, he's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's looking off into the distance as if this has something to do with him.

[Alan Hahn]

What am I supposed to do here?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just sit and listen and go. That's interesting.

[Alan Hahn]

You guys are like. It was so much better when we could just say.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is there some sort.

Of yo yo filter?

[Alan Hahn]

I definitely have the yo yo filter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He does. All my wife was saying was that.

[Alan Hahn]

She liked the Kei show better.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, that's what she said. No, she likes this show. She loves the show. Is that she knows what I mean when we say the K show in the house. It means my three o' clock vehicle. I have to go. Do not to be confused with my morning show, which no longer exists.

[Alan Hahn]

How about we just call it the Show?

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, it is just. It's the only radio program I currently do. I just need to call it the Radio.

[Alan Hahn]

The Show.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Can I join now real quick? This my. I have two things for talking about a Tuesday. The first one is, so now that I moved to a new place 20 blocks away from where I used to live and I don't have a parking garage. I know. First world problems. Poor Peter Rosenberg.

I get it.

Everyone's gonna make fun of me. But I'm back to street parking in New York, right? Moving around the car every day, blah, blah. And I will say this, it's not a terrible place for doing it. It's generally been the wor. I've been there over a month. The worst two days were the last two days, I guess because, you know, everyone's putting on their best behavior the Monday and Tuesday after the holiday. So, like, it was very busy. But in general, I've been managing fine. I know where to look for the street parking. I do okay. Do you guys find there's no appropriate. I don't know the Face to make, I don't know, the gesture to give when you're in the car and the person pulls up and goes, are you leaving? I never know what to do with my hands and mouth to say yes or no. Yes or no? Because if you go like this, no, does no mean I'm staying?

[Alan Hahn]

How about you just nod your head one way or another?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you find that to be effective? Like, do you guys know what I mean?

Or.

You don't have to deal with this if you guys aren't in the city.

[Alan Hahn]

What?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just when you pull alongside of them and just give them a look, like, just point.

Yeah, no, no, that's different. That one I get more. Asking whether they're leaving is easy. Today, though, I was on the phone with my therapist, and I wasn't going to end the call early. I'm like, I found the space. Great. I'm now going to sit in the space and finish my call, right? And now I'm the nozzle where other people are pulling up and going, hey, buddy, I see you sitting in this beautiful cherry parking spot. Are you staying or are you going? And I look at them and I go, I know I'm staying. Staying here. And then, by the way, every time you do it, they're mad. And I understand, because when I'm in their position, I'm mad. Of course you're staying. Get out of the car, moron. But I just found it to be a very awkward specific to New York experience of how do you address the person who's looking for the spot?

[Alan Hahn]

I don't believe there's an etiquette other than. No, you wave it off.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You kind of wave and look the other.

[Alan Hahn]

You know they're going to be annoyed.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yes.

[Alan Hahn]

You can't worry about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Good point. Whoever that is, they're annoyed.

[Alan Hahn]

They're out of your life. It's the minute they drive away. So you're saying, never coming back.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So you're saying, I'm on the phone, they pull up and they're like, oh, are you leaving?

[Alan Hahn]

You just give them the hand.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Just give them a wave and look away.

No, man, just shake your head.

[Alan Hahn]

No. You're dealing with this in Brooklyn all the time.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But here's the thing. No, I'm not moving. That would irritate me. Now. It wouldn't. If you were going to leave, but you didn't want to leave right away and you waved the person off, like, how long would you make the person wait? Let's say you were leaving, but you were on the phone. You didn't want to drive while you were talking. It was just going to be a couple of minutes. Would you acknowledge that or wave them off?

That is that I know the etiquette for that. I will literally say, hold on one second. Roll down the window and I'll say, hey, I'm going to be like five, 10 minutes. And I'll tell them. I'll just be honest. Like if you wait five or 10 minutes, you can have it.

[Alan Hahn]

If you tell me that hazards on. Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And you sit back.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, that's the thing.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's the thing.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm watching you. Yeah, but don't you feel now the pressure?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, I don't get on 6th Avenue.

My therapy call. You don't mind watching.

I really can't complain. I've been able to park on 6th Avenue 99% of the time. And they've taken parking away here in soho made more commercial so there's less park. You really only can park on six.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Is I don't know how they do it. I'm lucky to find a spot. But that damn truck on the corner. It's a big long truck.

[Alan Hahn]

Took up all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And it takes up two other spaces. Unpacking his stuff. And I know he's got stuff to do. I just like how did. Where did you come from that you found like four spaces to do that and on any given day I'm lucky to find one.

Well they probably. Maybe they get there very early and they're unpacking all the time. But this is what makes the city such so rigged is that like all of these, it's impossible for everyone. It's bad for us regular drivers. It's bad for the truck drivers. But the difference with the truck drivers is they can park illegally. They just eat those tickets. Those companies that they deliver for all know they're eating tickets. It's part of the deal, right?

I guess.

All right, Don, what did you have today?

Well, it bothers me that Carolina is going to go to the postseason under.500. It doesn't seem right that you didn't win more games than you lost. But I do want to honor the divisional system.

Sure.

And they won the division and it's not their fault they're in a weak division. It is odd though that if they were tied just with Tampa, Tampa goes. But because it was a three way tie, their tiebreaker doesn't count and they end up so it's crazy. But do they have to get a home game? Like can't you just say in order to host A playoff game, you have to finish above.500. So we'll let you go to the playoffs because you won your division. But you know what? You forfeit the home game because I can't have. I can't have an 89 football team host a playoff game.

So where do you draw the line, though?

[Alan Hahn]

But divisions matter.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Divisions matter.

That's why I'll let you go to the playoffs.

So they did a seven seed, so. Yeah. So what you're saying is. No, no, I hear what Don's saying. So what you're saying is winning the division guarantees you a playoff berth. But that's all it guarantees.

That's all it guarantees.

I think that's fair. Why should the 89 team be. Why should Pittsburgh be hosting Houston? Houston's a much better football team. They did not earn to have to go to Pittsburgh.

[Alan Hahn]

Did Houston win their division?

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, they didn't.

[Alan Hahn]

That's. You didn't win your division.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But I understand what Peter's saying. But when I'm saying in the rare occasion that you finish under 500 and we're acknowledging you're in the Thursday Night Football division.

See, but here's the order.

Winning it. You know what? I'm sorry.

But the thing is, I'm just being honest with you, okay? That has no chance of passing at the NFL. It's too nitpick. It's too not. You need to be regimented. It means the division winner no longer earns seating anything. It's not about what they get. It's about solely on record.

[Alan Hahn]

And now division doesn't have the same.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Cachet, but it does because it guarantees you a playoff spot. You're still in. But no, you still want to win the division because you want to get in.

Yeah, you're in.

So even if you go 7 and 10, you're in.

[Alan Hahn]

I understand. I understand what you're saying. And I know it looks ridiculous to be under 500 and yet you're hosting a playoff game, but the division stuff matters. And no owner is going to agree to this because they don't want to ever be in that situation. No owner is ever going to agree to this. But in the end, that's all that matters. We could. We could complain about it all.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's why it's. Talk about it.

[Alan Hahn]

Because here's what. But no, seriously, here's why. Because that is the only. And you know it. It's probably the only. No, not probably. It is the only home game playoff game you're going to get. So I am not going to Sacrifice a home playoff game. I won my division. That doesn't just get me in the playoffs. That gets me a home game. And I want that gate. Right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's so no owner.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Because think about it now.

[Alan Hahn]

You're talking every owner in the AFC south, and every owner in the NFC south is never going to agree to this because the majority of time it happens in those two divisions.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But the worm does turn. Eventually it'll be another division that ends.

[Alan Hahn]

Up being, okay, fine, but I don't want it to be me one time. And now I just lost myself a home. A home gate in the playoffs because I voted on something five years ago I didn't really care about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm just looking at the situation here. They are hosting a 12 and 5 football.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, that's right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right. Now, I understand the division. The Rams, they didn't win their division because they happen to be in a really difficult division. I understand Carolina only made the playoffs. You could make the case they shouldn't even have made the playoffs. But they won their division. I'll honor that. But you know What? In that 5, 4 matchup, I am going to give the team that's 12 and 5 the home game. You said regimented, same matchup. The winner of this game goes on to play Seattle.

But you don't get it.

[Alan Hahn]

I understand what you're saying, and I'm not telling you you're wrong to feel that way. What I'm saying is, is that a. This is not the first time. You know? Right. This is not the first time we've had this conversation. The second time. The second thing is they're never going to. I don't think they're ever going to change.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, but don't ruin talk about it Tuesday by saying it's never going to happen. Most of the things we talk about, we know we can't change. That's why we talk about it. It's not do it Tuesday. I'm not storming.

[Alan Hahn]

Wish it was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I am not.

It's January 6th.

I'm not going to run to the NFL offices, demand Roger Goodell to change this now.

[Alan Hahn]

Do it Tuesday.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Let's talk about it. We usually talk about the things we can't change.

Right now I want to go to something else related to the foosball of it all. That's right.

Foosball.

Yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Not foo.

[Peter Rosenberg]

No, no.

Where. Where's that come. Where?

Where'd that German. I don't know.

[Alan Hahn]

I don't know where it germinate.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Do you remember do you remember like a month ago I said something. I added a weird R to the middle of a word and we didn't know where it came from. And.

[Alan Hahn]

And then.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it never lived as a drop.

[Alan Hahn]

No, but it was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I tried to remember what it was later. And Don, you lost it. No, because let's be honest. And Don, I think you'll even be on my side here. Just be honest, Don, because Jacob and Anthony don't have much use for what I do on the show. No. So, like, even when I say something that's drop dead hilarious and they're both guy. These two are both dying over it, it dies.

[Alan Hahn]

It's gone. The Knicks and the Rangers played last night. They were very busy having to probably cut things off, but somehow St. John's is coming up next.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're probably doing something mild flatulence and they're finding a way to get it in the system. You know what I'm saying?

Sorry, I was writing enn.

[Alan Hahn]

What did you just say?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, oh, see, that, that, that came up.

[Alan Hahn]

He's.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Joe's violent, by the way.

He's a bad liar because Anthony does a lot of things that involve a lot of work. He doesn't exactly write.

[Alan Hahn]

That's a 10 minute misconduct. That was.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That was way out of bounds. If he said he was writing the NFL binge, we'd have a conversation.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. No, he not only dropped gloves. No, we're fighting. He never dropped the stick, though.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He's going full Happy Gilmore. He's attacking me with a skate. So here's. So if you can remember the word Don, I'd appreciate it.

Thank you.

So here's the thing I know Alan and I are going to argue about throughout the playoffs is that little Allen Wallen is sad that his chiefy Weefees have fallen off the wagon and there's no dominant team. And I am looking at this bracket and I'm seeing a Bears packers game opening night.

[Alan Hahn]

Delicious.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm seeing an Eagles Niners game like you dream about. I mean, give me Bill Walsh and Buddy Ryan in my veins right now. Right? Week two, we are very likely to get a Ram Seahawk. You don't have a lot of great like NFC west clashes, but a Ram Seahawk game, that would have serious ramifications.

[Alan Hahn]

How about this?

[Peter Rosenberg]

We are staring right at the face. I'd say there's a decent chance. Better than 50% chance. We have a Patriots Bills second week matchup. Like you have so many fun, sexy matchups that could present throughout this playoffs. And because Allen loves greatness. He's not going to get to appreciate this wide open playoff. And I, frankly, I could not disagree more, Don. I love that it's a free for all. I don't need it to be a guaranteed Chiefs, Eagles, Super Bowl.

[Alan Hahn]

Right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

I want this.

[Alan Hahn]

This sounds great. It's going to be great until you watch it. And then you're going to get to a point where one of the bad teams, one of the not so great teams finds a way for whatever reason.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, that's what would ruin it.

[Alan Hahn]

Maybe Carolina, because they're home, comes up with like, you never know, maybe something happens. But you're going to get to the Super bowl, you know, you're going to say at the super bowl is over, man, that game sucked. How'd those two teams get in there? Because that's what the playoffs are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'm going to.

It won't necessarily happen, though. That's the most negative version. It could happen.

[Alan Hahn]

It could.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It could happen.

[Alan Hahn]

Right? But greatness gives you something to care about whether you want it or you hate it. Right now. This is just a lot of flavors. You know what this is? This is sushi, but not good sushi. The basic.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is like airport sushi.

[Alan Hahn]

This is airport sushi. You know what they're giving you? California roll, right? Little. Little Hudson News sushi tempura roll. Like you're getting, you're getting that. You get a little tuna.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But hold on. But there are.

[Alan Hahn]

You're not getting anything good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're picking the worst case scenarios.

[Alan Hahn]

I want a dragon roll. That's what I want.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A Billy Joel role, the sexual Alaskan. You have some fun potential. Super bowl matchups though, guys. There's a lot of cool.

[Alan Hahn]

We got to get there.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a long road, but there's good stuff out there.

But both could be true in the sense that. I understand what you're saying, but I also look at it and say, listen, I don't want the Chiefs. I was sick of the Chiefs, but we don't have any great teams. So, yeah, I was sick of the Chiefs, but it's time to get some new blood in there. But can some of this new blood actually be great? There's no great team. That's the problem. And you know what? If the Chiefs had made it, this is where you lose the argument. The Chiefs aren't great anymore either. Like, so not this year. Then you're right.

I bet they will be again.

[Alan Hahn]

But they would have been compelling because of all the other stories that go with it. However, here's our other scary thing. The Eagles are not a great team, but they just. They are defending champs. If they climb all the way back, aren't we all going to be turning our nose? Like, correct. Not this.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then the only hope you have if the Eagles go all the way and you're not an Eagles fan, obviously the only hope you have is it's Buffalo and you have something to root for. Like, because I think maybe you do. Well, no, I'm sorry, Jets fans can't do it. You guys don't even count as humans anymore. But Don, for the rest of us who live in civilization, don't you agree right now you have no horse in the race here? You're rooting for the Bills, aren't you?

Yes.

Like, you have to. If you're a football fan, you're rooting for the Bill.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm sorry. Two guys that are NFC east fans, of course you're going to root for the Bills in that game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You. You personally, as a Jets fan, sad sacks that you are, you don't get to. But us. Us, everyone else. I think now if it's.

[Alan Hahn]

If it's Jacksonville, maybe. Maybe now I got something to care about.

[Don Hahn]

Thanks for listening to the Don Hahn and Rosenberg podcast.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I didn't listen to anything you just said.

[Don Hahn]

Catch the show on demand whenever you want. Just subscribe to us wherever you get your podcasts.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Very underrated song by Boston. Cool the engines off a third stage.

Well, I don't.

I would.

[Alan Hahn]

Don't know this one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Yeah, I wouldn't have been able to name a. A Boston album. Really? I can picture the COVID of the most famous one.

Yeah, which.

What. What's that called? Well, the biggest album.

Well, the first album, Boston the Big Mother. More Than a Feeling.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But this is the third album. But that had Amanda. Oh, it was like eight years they were making it. And that's.

[Alan Hahn]

That's their other song.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They got a ton of good songs.

[Alan Hahn]

A ton.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, yeah.

[Alan Hahn]

Ton. Oh, ton.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know what? You want to get me started?

[Alan Hahn]

See, now you see, he said a ton. Tons. A lot. Tons.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Heavy.

You know what you got.

You want to do it? You want to have a talk about it Tuesday?

[Alan Hahn]

How many.

[Peter Rosenberg]

How many hits is a ton when it comes to Boston?

[Alan Hahn]

You know how much I love the Pokede Bear. Right? Like, I'm all about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

He said a ton.

And plus, he's also.

[Alan Hahn]

But more Amanda. I got it. Ton. I'm usually on your side with music, Don, so don't get upset that for once I'm like, well, Don, Don's like.

[Peter Rosenberg]

The Don will get mad at me for not knowing, like, a classic rock band and be like, yeah, well, just because you are a speedwagon, the Civil War was before your time. Why don't you. But sometimes he will overstate the greatness of things from his era, I believe.

[Alan Hahn]

If he loves something and you don't love it as much.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You're right. I just feel like I'm being held to a standard because I just said ton. Can. Can. I have.

[Alan Hahn]

Ton is a measure of weight. Very, very large measure.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I am ton. Ton means more, in my opinion, than two. Oh, no, that's a ton is.

[Alan Hahn]

I have two.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Ton is more than seven, though. Like, you have more than. You're like, yeah, ton. As you get into the big dog territory.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah, I would say so.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A bunch. A bunch.

[Alan Hahn]

Bunch. Bunch. Could be, you know, two or three more that I didn't know about.

[Peter Rosenberg]

A bunch.

[Alan Hahn]

And when he says them, I'm like, oh, I forgot about that song. Right. This.

[Peter Rosenberg]

By the way, it's a bunch. For the record, we can have a lot of fun with this. Moving forward with a band or artist, do they have a ton of hits? A bunch of hits or some hits. I'm just saying. That's a hit.

All right.

What are you seeing? I. He's looking and he's. He doesn't look as confident now as he did. Well, because, you guys, we ruined it.

We ruined it because he played Captain Literal, man.

Yeah, he's good.

Now I've got to walk back. You know, the ton.

[Alan Hahn]

I'm just trying to get you.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But they're a big. They're a big band. I'm trying to find the track list here. You know, More Than a Feeling, Peace of Mind. Warplay. Long time. So the first. The fir.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

More than.

Let me ask you this. There's eight songs on their first album.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Five of them have their own Wikipedia page, so that's five. I. I would.

[Alan Hahn]

You gave me More than a feeling. What's the next one?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Peace of Mind.

[Alan Hahn]

Peace.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. Do I know Peace of Mind? You know this song? You know it, right?

[Peter Rosenberg]

It sounded familiar.

[Alan Hahn]

I forgot about it.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You know More Than a Feeling now. Put in foreplay Lawyer A long time and you'll know that one, too.

By the way.

Those are three in a row, man.

That's. That's three in a row. That's More Than a Feeling. To start the album, then Peace of Mind, then four. Play along.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, give me this one.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That's hard.

That one's.

[Alan Hahn]

Hard. Totally.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, no, this is just a.

That was hard, though. Has that been sampled? Not beginning.

[Alan Hahn]

You like that, right? That should be sampled.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You like that?

That's fire.

I didn't know.

[Alan Hahn]

Get to work. Get to work on this. All right, this is.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Whitish Wednesday on a Tuesday.

[Alan Hahn]

This is pretty good.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a very long intro for this song.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a long intro. The first album is an absolute classic.

[Alan Hahn]

All right. All right. All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Then the second album, Don't Look Back's got the song Don't Look Back, which is you. You know, the song and if feeling satisfied. So there's three Wikipedia pages on the second one, and then Amanda was their only hit on the third one. So they probably have about six or seven top 40.

[Alan Hahn]

All right, that's a ton.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I'll give it three albums.

[Alan Hahn]

I'll give you the ton.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I don't. I wouldn't go ton. You're not going to bunch six or seven. That's a bunch of hits. Six sounds like. Please don't come in. It's a bunch of hits. It's a bunch of hits.

[Alan Hahn]

It's a bunch. You go in bunch.

[Peter Rosenberg]

It's a bunch. What I thought about with the Jets. All right, so you're a Jet fan.

[Alan Hahn]

Can I give you some Giants news?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Oh, well, I'll do it at five.

[Alan Hahn]

Do it at five.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I will do it at five. It's big.

[Alan Hahn]

All right.

[Peter Rosenberg]

If you're a Jet fan, you don't want to root for the Bills or the Patriots because they're in your division. And obviously you're in a way about that. I can't imagine you're rooting for Aaron Rodgers.

You can't. Unless you hate your. Unless you currently hate the jets so much that you just want to see them shove it in their face.

Now, I don't know how you feel about Denver.

[Alan Hahn]

No. Can never like Denver.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right.

[Alan Hahn]

Because coach ever.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Right. So that's four.

The Denver thing is 90.

[Alan Hahn]

98.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Well, 98.

But also, what was the. They lost and the FC championship.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah. And they were winning.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Vinny. This is Vinny. This is Vinny.

[Alan Hahn]

They were winning the game.

[Peter Rosenberg]

This is Vinny.

Payton had the things to say about Hackett.

[Alan Hahn]

That I could care about. That means nothing to me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But it's a 98.

[Alan Hahn]

It's Elway terrorizing you, and then it's that kid.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And in Jacksonville, it's all we should have had. Trevor Lawrence. Why don't we beat the Rams? You don't care?

[Alan Hahn]

No, I don't bother Me.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I mean, honestly, I don't mean any disrespect.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who's rooting for Houston?

People from Houston.

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Sorry.

Some of them.

I'm just saying.

[Alan Hahn]

But.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But because some of them are Cowboys fans. Let's be. Let's just be honest. A lot of Cowboys.

[Alan Hahn]

Most of them are.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But yeah. Houston.

[Alan Hahn]

Houston.

[Peter Rosenberg]

They're Houston fans.

Who are you hitching your wagon to?

[Alan Hahn]

Them? I'm having a hard time picking a team.

[Peter Rosenberg]

Chargers.

[Alan Hahn]

I. No, no, no. There's a part of me that appreciates Sam Darnold.

[Peter Rosenberg]

All right, well, that's the nfc.

No, no. The afc. There just is dead.

Yeah. There's nothing in the afc.

[Alan Hahn]

Buffalo, New England.

[Peter Rosenberg]

So. So, darn.

[Alan Hahn]

I want to be right about. I've been right about New England, but now I don't want to see it come to fruition. My God. But no, no, because of Sam. And it's like, this is. That's a cool story, right? And it has no impact.

[Peter Rosenberg]

And I'd love to see. Let me say this about Sam. I would love. And he's in a tough spot because they got the buy.

[Alan Hahn]

I.

[Peter Rosenberg]

You'll know what I mean. I'd love to see him get a playoff win. And the buy puts you in a tough spot, because if they're the two and they're playing the seven, we're having more of a conversation. Instead, they get the buy. They get the Rams. And now will Sam get a win in the playoffs?

[Alan Hahn]

You are home. That is especially there. There is a. There is some there. There.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But, man, I'll tell you what. The Rams. When you look around at a field like this, you have to favor experience, don't you?

[Alan Hahn]

Yeah.

[Peter Rosenberg]

That behooves the Bills, even though it behooves the Rams. There are a few teams, even though.

[Alan Hahn]

They'Re not the number one seed, aren't they?

[Peter Rosenberg]

Who? The Rams. Yeah, in a lot of ways.

[Alan Hahn]

Kind of wanted Jace.

[Peter Rosenberg]

I think so.

They've taken off the last couple weeks. Really? They're a really good team. Now, the thing for me is, are the Bills talented enough to allow the experience? Because they. They've done this every single year. They have to come in with a certain level of, like, we know we can do this, even though they have the pressure. But guess what? We know we're not staring that Kansas City game in the face in three weeks.

[Alan Hahn]

Fair.

[Peter Rosenberg]

But do they have the talent? Because, like, they're just games. When it looks like Josh just doesn't have enough people around him.

[Alan Hahn]

Well, they got to run the ball. They do have the Cookie Monster, so they have him.

[Peter Rosenberg]

True.

And you got and you got to be able to stop teams.

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